Defensive Tackle Corey Liuget Joins Shawne To Discuss The Culture Of The Houston Texans & Who Really Is At Fault

Corpy Llegiance was a beast um for the Charges and one of the things that you know, it was funny because I've seen him coming in as I was gone. I was playing with the Bills at the time, and I saw what the organization was trying to do. They were trying to recreate those years that we had that we were talented. We had some of the best players in the locker room and on the field. And I always say over and over again a d tackle, defensive tackle. I played with Jamal Williams. Uh. He was one of

the guys that were underrated, never talked about. But then you bringing Coy Legion Man and and Corey. I saw exactly what the organization was trying to do, bringing another guy that was just vicious out there to take up so much space and really go out there and give those outside linebackers and passed Russias away to go. Um had a great career. He's still fifty fifty on what He's gonna come back and play, hopefully getting one more shot. But Corey Legion, what's up? I do? How you feeling?

I'm feeling great, man, I'm feeling great. Man, feeling great. Dog Just just at that point now, man is at that point now man, you know, just relaxing and join his time off man Bill in the crib and didn't go ship man. That's it man, you know yeah, so what you say about that time? So what about that time? What you uh? Just just just getting to that point of where you at with it? Oh yeah, man, you know what? Man, Um, I'm like picking figure guy, like

everyone to keep back to me and my moontime. Like Man, I'm symbi. Man. You know, I'm gonna saying I retired, you know, the right team, right situation and made me get up off the couch, you know. But for right now I'm on his couch. I'm gonna work out do what I do, but I'm not looking forward to you know, rushing back. See I'm gonna come back to that. But you said something about building a crib in San Diego,

and I go to back. I'm talking about I getting in like heated arguments with people when I tell them to San Diego is the best place to live in the country. I was like, you know, at not a whole lot of people get out there. I lived in Miami, I lived in New York. Obviously, live in l a and other places of the country. But when I when I tell people like San Diego is the best place

to live, hey, I don't even want to argument. Oh yeah, oh yeah, but hands down by far man, especially for me, you know, Mary, poor kids, so port and so on. You know, it's perfect. It's the perfect place, man, because you can always just shoot right up to l a um if need be. And then not only that, man, I mean you got you got you got Lego, man, you got sea World, you got so much kids activities.

You know, it's perfect for you. And when you're on the white want to get away, you know what they want to get away when you want to half away, you know what I'm saying, can't cool? Ain't that far? You know it's perfect, man, man straight up. So I'm gonna jump back to that. So I'm gonna tell you because, um, you know, when I got drafted by the charges of No. Five and I end up leaving there, but then right after, you know, I end up leaving that they drafted you.

And I remember I remember watching you in college, and so I already knew he was in college. But when they draft you, I was like, man, it's gonna be big. Because I played with Jamal Williams, Um, you know most of my career and and I always say still to this day, Um, Jamal never got really the credit that he deserved, Like he wasn't talked about because that three technique him playing that position down in the three four.

It wasn't no Shane, It wasn't pretty. But you know, I say, look, the reason part of the reason why I got a lot of those sacks when I played, because Jamal was in the middle taking up guys, you know, two guys at the time, and nobody was allowed to step up in the pocket. So I can keep going around, you know, I can get in the wide seven y nine and just go because I knew that inside pocket was gonna be collapsed. Yeah, exactly, man, I never heard

stories away and the big homie drew a line. He took his foot and drew a line and say, y'all ain't passing this, Like I I know the Jamal Williams that you're talking about, and how and what you're saying that you don't get the credit. Man. Jocksons used to tell me Luisia, come man, you go out there, drawer line and say, y'all ain't moving past his line here. And that's how I went. You know what I'm saying.

So I know exactly what you're saying. The Big Feller, definitely, there's every way more credit than a lot of people gave him back then. But hey, you know, it is what it is. But you know, we know if he was, if he was a part of the charges on the edition. You know, you know who the dog is and when the dog was at the end of the day, and that's all facts. That's a true story. I sat there and watched him, and Jamal didn't say a whole lot.

He came out and did this thing and one of the strongest guys I played again, so you know, kind of kind of going. And when they brought you and I was like, man, I see what they're doing by the times that we were winning, and they're trying to kind to recreate the same dogs that was in this building when they drafted you, and I'm looking at like, man,

watch this dude gonna be the next level. So talk about it when you came to the organization, man, and kind of the expectations and like what happened when you got to San Diego the first time around? All right, So so the expect changes for me was definitely coming in high because at the time they brought me into kind of they had it kept Jock to teach me the ropes and Jock was my big brother. Uh So for me, you know, I had I had that mentality, you know, John Louise you were gone to, had Sean

Phillips and who was the other outside backer. I think it was traveling the board that year. But I had those guys there, you know, so I had a lot of veteran leadership and I was just the young pump. All I had to do with soap in all the game that they was teaching me. So coming to the Charges, it was kind of a humpy time too, though, you know.

Defensive wise, you know, they had a lot of veterans, but where they didn't retain a lot of the guys that was on that defense when they wore the number one deepen when there wasn't then one office, you know, so you know, he had guys like Chris Dillman go out, You had Marcus McNeil go down, you know, So it was kind of a shammo and kind of like them, they're a revealed from the upfront in the trenches area on both sides of the ball, you know, because Jamal was gone, we had big ton Yoga ray Um. So

it was like it was kind of that rebuild. So the guys who wasn't really charge of guys drafted by him and played the most of their career with them. It was kind of on their way out, and I came in with the new guys and then we didn't We had a little tradition, but it wasn't like how it should have been. So for me, my expectation for me was just to come in and learn from you guys so I can continue that charge of mentality and go out there and just play hard notes football. I

remember packs turned on one of the games. He turned on the games that it was you showing Phillip Stephen cool. I mean, it was all those guys out there on the defense, and he came, he came. He turned the game and were watching him playing. Might have played like eight plays and then he stopped that. He said, dude, would you guys believe this was our fourth preseason game? And I'm like, what we thought was a regular season game? How y'all? Man knockings? Oh my god, damn man, that's

how the NFL lived. And then at the end of the day, I didn't understand the concept in the mindset. He was like, dude, every game, preseason, regular season, playoffs, treated all like a championship game and take every rep series. Yeah, that's that's true. And I think one of the games you're probably referring to was the Green Green Bay Packers. Um it was. It was our fourth preseason game, and I think we only got a series of two in that game. And you know, we we want to just

come in and set the tones. We were here hunting, but you know y'all had something out there, man, And who was the coach? And it was uh yeah, And you know I was part of what Marty when Marty was dead and when North and North had a different mentality. He was more on the offensive side and he wanted, you know, more in the offensive game planning. Um so you were there eight years and did you ever think because when I when I got drafted, and I thought I was going that was gonna be it Like I

wanted to retire. I wanted to play maybe teen years total, and like that was gonna be and I was gonna be done in San Diego, live in San Diego, and that was gonna be life. Like what was it? Because I knew when I was on my way out, man, it was it was kind of like it was dark, it was quiet, and you know, coaches were crying. I mean it was it was like a sad place, man, Like, how was it on the way out? Man? Of of

you leaving there, with me leaving, with me leaving there? Uh, you know what they were on the high holds because you know, we weren't talking before we made the playoffs. So it was like everyone was excited because they're like, oh, we're gonna do it again. It's gonna we're gonna run it back again. But a little bit they know, you know, they it was they let me go. You know, one

of the guys. One of the guys that was like your based foundation, a guy that everyone in the a f C West kind of understood and feared and also respect in a sense in a way didn let me go thinking that they were gonna be able to replace it with some guys and they no no respect to Judy Bosa. Those guys are great football players. They needed that pushing the need that president big me Main. You know,

he could take up to guys. He's a Jamal Wing type, but you need that guy that free tech, that that that that strike fears in them, guards in that center because you don't know where he don't go. And they missed that when they let me go, you know, And granted it wasn't a bitter sweet thing, I don't think I think they were so how and they hired horsed and they felt very confident in the guys that they had that I don't think they thought it was gonna miss me. And that's kind of where where when that

now coach Land he was very sad. It was some coaches that was sad that I was gone, But but some coaches was like, I think we could replace them, but you you can't replace the veteran like myself. Man, you know that that's like yourself a card to come by, and you know what, certain guys come in and and everybody start feeding off your attitude, start feeding off what you bring to the table. So I know how they go.

What what do you think about Coach Land? I mean I always always thought that he was he was good coach. But when he got left, when he got to let go by the team, I can understand and see why, Like I didn't, I didn't think like, oh man, they got to get this dude out of here. He was bad. Um. I only had a couple a couple of times to meet him, and and he was cool to me, It

was all right. But I just felt at some point in time, man, like you have to when you got a nucleus like that, you see the make or break, you're gonna get the team to the show or you're gonna be out of there. What you what you think of him? Man? Like on the way out? You know, man to be honest with Coach Land. I think coach he was a great coach man, no doubt that just the guys didn't he started getting the young guys he let he let go of a lot of the older

leadership that was gonna keep that thing together. And that's where I can say that. And you know what, I don't even think it was so much of him. I think the ownership was letting because I don't think he really had to play in a lot of the guys leaving and coming in. I think the owners had something more say so in that than he did. So that kind of messed the team up because like I said, man, he the young guys. Yeah, they could run, they could fly,

they could do everything. Then you know, you don't gotta pay him much, but if you want to win football games, you gotta have somebody to teach those guys. Two groups, and they ain't got nobody there. They ain't got no real true leadership there. I don't spoke the coaches on the staff, but the leadership was dead. You can't expect for Joey Bolster to say something Joe ain't that's the same things. Go out there. Yeah, he's gonna go out there and get you po five sacks and kill it.

You know, even he mal like, man, I want to go play football. I ain't got time to get a speeches. You know what I'm saying? I ain't got time to come from the heart with it. At the end of the day, I want to get stacks and win football games. But you need a guy like myself. You need to meet bans. You need this Deamon sports. You need to you know, you need that veteran presence on that, on that on that defense, and on that offensive side too.

If Philip getting sacked or some of the Philip messing up, man snap on him. Tell him, man, you threw the ass out, you know. And if you don't have that, if you don't got an accountability or your team, your team ain't gonna never be ship. That's just That's just how it is. And I say the same damn thing. And then to even go off of that, and so you said Philip, and so you know Philip left and Phillip with my man, you know what I'm saying, Like I love, I love from Philip. Man. You can't tell me.

You can't tell me nothing about Philip even when he was, you know, throwing pigs and wasn't playing well. I'm like, you gotta do this, always gonna fight, like you gotta do this, always gonna fight. And I'm talking about if it came down to it. He'll physically scraped with like he was. Philip was Phills getting the mix. Phill don't getting mix, no doubt, and he's gonna talk his trash man. He just they didn't have enough guys to to get behind that and say something to the other guys who

wasn't picking up. They slack as far as whether it was the vocers, the line this week one, this tight ends that week on this receiver's dropping, whatever it is, whatever it is, you know it just that kind of biddy was gone. And I don't I can't put all of that on Land because they did. They didn't see it. Owners don't see that type of stuff in the locker room or around the guys. They just looking at all games and you gotta getting all the productive who getting

the stats, whatnot. But you got to hold in on that, on those little details, because that's what's gonna be. That's what's gonna for the next group of guys. That's why, that's why certain organizations keep winning, because they got guys in there and know how to do it, and they retained the guys that know how to do it, so they teached the young guys. So when those guys leave that got steps into that road and it's like you ain't missing a fun right and then so so and

then right right towards was into that. Which which year did you get hurt? I think you had a need of qual in your qualit two Yeah, five games. That was my best. That's my best year ever as a prosy. Yeah. The Charger didn't want to take a chance for me no more. They thought I was watching something done. I'm like, if they would have let me rehab pot me in for three million dollars, I would have stayed there. It would have been no problem. I would have stayed the

two millions because I loved I love the place. A little organization, but myself. You know how the game is taking my back, shoot in the head. You ain't got nothing, you can't do nothing for you know, It's part of the game. And I was on that. I was on that same train too, you know, like, hey, gout told my knee came up from knaeding up taying my achilles when I came back, and after that, that was it.

Then I got I went out to the Buffalo. No, and I went to Buffalo, and man, when I got the bus, I'm just about to ask you, man, listen, that's far hands. I don't know every team, every franchise. If you didn't with sports, they need to go to Buffalo. If got how these people like. The way they treat the players. One, you take a servant every day you step into the building. And not only that, man like if you're tired, if you have anything wrong with you,

they're gonna arrest you. It's no pressure to play there. They don't force you to be out there. You know, they understand, They talk to you, They they they those coaches, they come from the heart CoA Sean McDermott and the gym Brandon being. I don't know if there's another in this in this organization that's a genuine that's caring and and and make the game, make sure guys feel welcome and feel don't feel pressure enough to play a damn

football game. And then the day we're human to y'all human, those guys are there, the training staff a one man, I mean, I'm Danny, all of those guys and then they're the best of the game. They take their time with you. It ain't no hitting. The generis with them when they're going to coach me, and they tell them the coach is exactly what it is and how you're progressing. They said, Oh, I think we could play shoot him up this week. There ain't nothing that going on up there.

If you could play, you're gonna play. If you can't play, it's probably we got a guy that could step in point look at you know. It's it's it's crazy you said that because I and I'll never take a shot at another organization or charge whatever. Man, I love my squad, I love it, you know, I got I'm close with the Spanos family. I'm close with a lot of organizations in there. But I said, it's different when you get

out to the Buffalo. It's a it's a different field. Um. And if you don't experience that to see how they operate out there, you always think that things are one certain way, you know, because you've been with the organization so long, and sometimes you just need to go and experience it. Like at first, I wasn't trying to go out there. I was scratching and screaming. Like I said, Man, I'm not trying to playing the snow dog. That was my exact words. I said, I'm not trying to playing

the snow I'm not trying to. I knew the only person I knew out there was dread and Florence, and I really, you know, I knew a couple of Castle team like Stevie Johnson, fred I knew some of the guys, but I really didn't know them like that. And I got there and I'm like, damn, man, this is like family. You know what I mean, because they treat you. They treat you like family out there. So you played there? Was it? One? Was it one or two years? You

played there? I am I'm not even gonna count my sting with the readers, because man, that that the way it was. The Buffalo man was so beautiful, man, I was. I was open for eight weeks. I got the Buffalo males. I was just on a whole different program. And I was like, damn, this is how the NFL should be, man. And nothing like you said, nothing against the Charles, nothing against the Raiders. But wait, they handle that place stuff there. I mean, people gonna get a plust on every level. Man,

it ain't it ain't no funny everybody. Men, two cooks. The cooks have to know your name. Your cooks gotta know your wife. And people in the back. You're getting to know them. You come and sate with them, they're preparing your food. It's it's everybody in the building in Buffalo. It ain't just one one one thing. Is everybody there. So yeah, you're right. I still talked to uh, the equipment guys in Buffalo. Like I said, I've really enjoyed

my time out there. You went there and then you had you had a quick stop with the with the Texas, right, you went down to the Texas for a little bit, and so let let me yeah, so let me let me ask you about them. And this this is like straight up because I see everything that DeShawn talking about right now, what he dealing Shaun Watching, what he's dealing with.

But I also seeing like Andre Johnson and Andre Johnson my man, and so he came out and defended and said something on Deshaun Watching's behalf and how they're wasted some guys talent down there, and that you know, the kind of wasted guy's careers. How was it that you played for the Charges, you know, and I played there, you played for the Bills, played there, And how was it, man,

when you went down there with the Texans? Because I always wanted to know that from somebody who actually played there recently, who can either invalidate or validate all the stuff that Deshaun Watson talking about. Now, look, man, I him, I didn't have a bad I haven't had it. I didn't. I didn't personally have a bad experience with the guy down there or the or the organization, be personal the thing that. And granted they cut me two weeks before

the season was over. Proud to them sounding me because I signed a practice squad deal and I was like, okay, cool, I'll work my way up, no problem. You know, they put me through the ring for six weeks, didn't play me, didn't play me. They finally played me, and then they do all this COVID stuff right, so bomb, so don story show I get I get on the contract. Before I signed a contract, I'm telling them listening, give me veteran minimum or let me go. And I'm begging him

to cut me. And these guys are begging me to stay. They're like, please come in and talk to us. We don't know what we what we did. While we can't come to an agreement that I'm like, listen, I just want to go. Let me go. Cut me. This is in November. I'm begging this guy to cut me. In November. I got the text, mens, I got everything between my cut me. Let me go semeon, I can go somewhere else and go play somewhel I ain't gonna be dealing with this with you. So a long story short, he

ended up convincing me to stay. I signed a contract. I'm larry cool, I'll stay here. Two weeks later, well, a couple of weeks later, you end up cutting me. I'm like, I got plenty of money in the bank. I'm frying him. I'm financially secure. I don't have much to worry about. You know, my wife's cool. We cool. But at the end of the day, you begged me to stay here. I could have been some whe else

playing get him more playing time. So to me, the guy, don't it seems like the personal the decisions that he's allowed to make isn't really made and cut out for him. Because I'm a being real. Everybody around that waiting for number four to make a plaint and for a special one. I can't take that from your your dog. But some of y'all gotta mand up, grab you nuts and be some dogs too, and go make some football players and help contribute to the team winning. You know what I'm saying.

So the ship that they allow happening, there ain't no way. You can't tell me how many times you have sat down on the cooler and practice with the charges or anywhere in the league. Man, that's it, that's it, that'sh it, totally accepted. There. You can sit down in practice your man mother to laid out, putting their hemmers on their head, laid on the grap It's crazy, you know what I'm saying. And I'm like, this ain't the way you want to be.

So do you think that's always the top of the organization level or do you think that's coaching or you think that's leadership? Like what what do you? Because they you gotta think they got you know, he said, well they got a bunch of cats that are leaders out there. So you know, I'm looking at it like, how how do you how do one of your leaders even allow that to happen? You know what? J J J J never speak on it, But JA ain't never sit down either.

Jay always working, They always standing on his feet doing his thing. I think that that comes from just that culture there. You know what I'm saying it, I ain't never seen the seanna take a seat, you know what I'm saying. But a lot of the guys that ain't got or done anything, they take him up like a sea some practice, you know. And so for me, the leadership, I can't say it's the leadership. I just think that Defoe ain't gonna say much. He's a quiet type of

letters actually speak. Why he ain't gonna say much. I mean, he's a freaking dog, he's a Hall of Famer, and plus he he's a big white boy. How are you gonna look saying something to to to you know, two younger guys like, man, don't do this thing. And when he did said it what he has said to several guys, some of them get defensive, you know what I'm saying. So he's like, man, I'm not for I ain't got time for that. You know. I I've been in this

game long enough. I pray you make it as long as me, or you make the type of how the type of career I had, you know, So what those hands up with it? Because he ain't the time I ain't got ain't it? They'll argue with you. Yeah, I'm ja Jake, you know what I'm saying, And I respect that about him. You know, but they didn't got they just they just they got the leaders. It's the culture, bro, it's the coaches. So so you're saying, you're saying it's

even up higher than that, ain't it. Ain't the coaches, ain't the players. It starts from the organization up topics. Why that's why the cultures like that down there. Yeah, yeah, ask me, Yeah, yeah, I'm getting I gave you a long story of the Yeah, it has to come from up top. Ain't even no other way. So if you if you after they're sitting right now, if the right team called, you're going back and play. Yeah, I'll go back and play. Yeah yeah, yeah. Gotta be for me.

It gotta be a contender that's calling me to come in and play, man, somebody. I know they they can win their division one. That's how you get in the playoff winning division and then they got a shot. That's it. Ain't I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. My dude. Only only advice I say to you, man's play as long as you can, or to you absolutely to you to that day you walk in practice and you're like, yo, listen, that's it. I can't. I don't want to walk out

here no more. I don't want to put on this hell man, I ain't trying to tie these I ain't trying to squeeze this jersey over to show the pass no more. That's that's the only thing I try to tell casts, man, is make sure it's all the way gone, because that first year, when you're done, you kind of sit back, li Man, I feel good, I can, I can probably, I can probably help a team out right now. And so that's that's the only thing. Man. But if if you're done, or you or you want to hang

it up, man do that. But if that thing is twenty or thirty percent left of your system, man, go ahead, get your another check man, real quick, you know what, then ship because that's what that's what They just gotta be the right opportunity. But I feel like I'm gonna play again. I feel like I can play another three years. It's up to the league, you know, at the end of the day, And ain't up to me now at this point. They know what I can do, so it's

up to them. It's up to a team to come and take a chance me if they called me, I'm gone, they called me, I'm gone. My due. Man. Well, I hopefully, hopefully I see you back out there, and uh, well we'll get up in San Diego. Man, I'm never probably at least once a month. Still, that's still home for me, all right, the show man. Let me know what you're doing that land Man. I know you got them thirty acres out here. You're trying to develop, man, so let

me know man development. Okay, now for sure, I will. I appreciate your boss. Thanks guys for listening. Then to another lights out podcast me shann And and and damn hey Corey. Let me tell you Corey is as straight up as it getting man, and I wish I had a chance to play with him. Um, you know you can hear the intensely and in his voice. Hopefully he he's still comes back and given another shot or two, he gets gets signed up with the right tan, he could still go.

Looks good training in San Diego, and uh, it's just it's just real awesome to to get a chance to talk to my first real conversation I've had with him. Obviously seen him around the organization and talks to him in passing for man, he has a lot of passion and hopefully it still goes out and gives another shot at two and the right team calls him. So appreciate you guys listening in another lights our podcast and this

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