2x-NFL Pro Bowl RB Clinton Portis Joins Shawne Merriman

hate it. Man Clinton portis um different Broncos and also the Washington uh Washington football team now, but you know he's just ultimate competitor and uh, I just remember him great years and get a chance to to to see

him and play against him. And uh was introduced to CP long time ago by one of my older brothers, LaVar Arrington, back when he was playing with the Skins, and UH know, I grew up there in Prince County, Melon and the Washington d C. Area, so UM, you know I got to chat and see that firsthand, and UM, it's it's cool to catch up with him now and and talk football, talk life. Um you know, talk some you know, coaching opportunities and broadcasting opportunities. Guys are looking

to do more after they retire. And um also we get into some of the concussion things we're gonna get into. Uh so look it's it's gonna be a great show. And uh here you guys go Clinton Porters. Oh what's that? What's that Florida? And what's that Florida? A and m about that's rocking and black colleges man. Yeah, So what you think about about Dion Sanders move primetime move? I love it. Actually, I think he's bringing uh swat the attention, you know. I just think he's bringing Black HBCUTH football

the attention that's been needed. I mean, you see so many guys come out and have success once they get the opportunity. You know, you see the guys who get an opportunity in the league going to be successful. I think more guys should get the opportunity because you would have a higher success rate, you know, and don't just be two or three players that come out every year that's good enough to play. If you give more of

those guys that opportunity, you take advantage of it. I said this too, I said, look, I mean everybody knows Dion Sanders. I mean you when I was a kid, I was doing the Prime Time and I was doing that. If I'm if I'm in high school going to college and Dion Sanders come and sit on my couch, I'm gonna have a hard time saying no. So I thought that was a real good move by them. Yeah. I mean I think when you look at when you look at college football now, it's the facilities, it's the environment.

Is everything outside of football unless you want to Alabama, L s U. You know, SEC school, it's more. Kids are more into uniforms and facility and you know, being on TV and then they to these big, big schools and they don't perform. You know, you look at National signing that you look at how many kids that's the top rated kid in their class and then they go

on and they disappear. You know, you look at that top three hundred players from previous years and see how many paying out in college and you know, continue that success in the NFL. So I think with all the hype, all the extra all the ratings, I tell kids all the time, you know, just seeing kids out and about, you can go anywhere, they're gonna come fine talent. I don't care where you're at, they're gonna come fine talent. It's just not enough kids really getting the opportunity to

being exposed. And then you know, you get into a bad program and you get into a situation your darned rooms sug you know, you're eating own campus, so no money. Kids give up, you know, they don't realize what it's like to endure those three or four years of struggle too, have uh forever uh to enjoy, you know, to reap the rewards, you know, and so many kids, you know, those two years away from home, never been away from home, and I was sitting there, away from home, and they

can't take it and they rushed back. Whereas if you endured for another year or two, you know, things might work out. And then the transport transfer report them all that stuff. To me, man, it's crazy because Miami used to transfer reporting better than anybody. Like they get some dogs and the transfer form. But you you putting that mindset into so many kids that I can choose this school. If it don't work, I'm leaving, you know, compared to

our days in college. Once you signed on that Dieted line. Man, you're there and you're gonna compete no matter who comes through, no matter who the next sensation is, who the who the top recruit coming in? Hey, bro, he got to come in and repeat. And you know, I think for myself, UM had an opportunity and Andrew and James gave me some advice that stuck me for life. Uh. He asked me, hey, you're coming to you and I say, you're leaving you m He said, shouldn't matter, you know, you should look

forward to the competition. And ship I got James Jackson, Nijaene, David Court, Jared pay, Williams mcgae, Heath Frank going. You can't find no more competition than that, you know what I mean? So I think it made me a better player, made me a better competitor. Uh. And then it keeps you on your game. And so many players you look at, You look at so many of these situations. You look at a kid like travesy t at Clemson, outstanding career,

but who was the guy backing them up? It's like whoever in second stream like Okay, I'm gonna let you get your shine on. Then mine had come Like, man, you're supposed to be able to compete year one, year two, year three, Every year is supposed to be the competition, and then you take off, you know. I mean, that's true, true. And the other part I like about, you know, Dion and just going to Black College and certain certain colleges

that they're gonna prepare you. I felt like, and I'm saying this with dem because you know, he's gonna take a lot of those kids under his wing as as sons, as you know, relatives really look out for him on that standpoint and making sure I know, I know, for me in certain parts, I mean physically and all that stuff. I was ready to go in the NFL, but you know, um, I didn't understand financials, certain parts of financial stuff. And

I'm meeting agents for the first time. My dad wasn't around, so I didn't have anybody, you know, to really you know, watch over or or or kind of shield off a lot of of the bs. And so if you wanted these runners or agents or you know, certain run around the campus and trying to take advantage of these kids, that ain't happening with Dion because he's gonna be like, listen, these these are my guys. And this is not going down that way. So I do like it from that standpoint.

You know, I agree, man, none of us really understood that. I think for our time, the first person we really seen with the blueprint was Lebron and his team. You know, all of a sudden, people feel like after Lebron laid out the blue print to taking your close friends and being uh, building a billionaire empire, it was like, oh man, we could have did this now. Our mindset wasn't that. Our mindset was we needed to get it, like we needed to be the first in our families to get

this kind of money. And then when we got this kind of money, we didn't understand the investment side. We didn't understand the future side. It was like, we're trying to do it now and we're helping everybody, and we're doing X, and we're doing why, and we're doing zeeing. We're trusting these people that we shouldn't be trusting, that we don't know, we shouldn't trust, because that's what they're

teaching us on on campus. They're saying, hey, you know what, you gotta become friends with this guy in our relationships and networking, bro, we suck at that we sucked at it because we're so used to like minded individual we're so used to being around people. They got one come and go, and that's succeeding football and playing football. So

my friends from high school were football. Is your friends were football because you weren't hanging out with the band and you know, hey, this kid is talking about going to be a lawyer. Those weren't the relationships you were making. You were making a relationship that was like mine. And then if you got the right care around you, if you're lucky enough to have some people, going to have some success. Now I'm looking back, Hey my cream was I got a lawyer, I gotta I got a guy

who wants a car shop. I got um agent. So you're looking at at Cruise and you're getting everything out of Cruise now because of the blueprint that Lebron showed you. So when you look at at Prime and what he brings to not only at HBCU, what he brings to these guys as far as leadership, as far as having success on and off the field, the failure he's experiencing life like going to an HBC, you're gonna be leader.

It's already, it's already that deal, and now you're getting the education and you're getting the mentoring and the tutoring. That the ones became so special because in the one you you saw someone who's been on a successful level. Are you beginning to see guys who's the next best or the next greatest um that's outside of your field? So that's where your networking started, with being at the h b C U and seeing how many successful black people,

uh women and men come out of these schools. When you look at the vice president, when you look around in politics, when you look at everything in the world, it's somebody from the h b C and you represented. So I think that's gonna put it on the map, especially in in this current climate. When did that? When did that hit you? Because I remember, you know, we used to we used to kick it or keep running to each other. Either it was in d C back you know, back home from PG County and DC area.

But when it when it all that hit hit you? Because I was just telling my producer Feto before we came home. Man, I remember back you know, back then, and you know you had to close I mean the cars, and I was like and I was still young, so I was coming out of University of Maryland, but I was. I was, and that was my rookie year. So my first time going back I was with LaVar Bolivar Antin So that's why I got a chance to meet up meet all you guys. When when did all that kind

of click for you? Man? You know, it's crazy, like thinking back to to you Bowman u k d'es you know, uh, Queen Cook, all the guys that came from that area that was sitting at the pool parties and you know, enjoying the festivities that went on to have success. You know, just on that property alone, how many successful people came through when you talk about the roll as of the world, and that was just hanging out, you know what I mean,

just saying what it's like. And that was like one of those opportunities where you're trying to make sure everybody had a good time, make sure everybody is taking care of you know what I mean, like what you need, you know what I mean, Like it's it's at your service. And all of a sudden, I think when you hit that point of family, you know, because when you're young

and you're having fun, it doesn't really matter. But when you get to that point that you get a kid and you start participating them kids life and you know the may Back or the Rose Ross. You ain't putting them kids in the may Back, you know what I mean. They want to eat ice cream and leave McDonald's. You're like, nah, you know, so I think for all the whips, is good to have a nice whip, but um, since just have mostiple, you know, we have so much and we

we overdoored. We um. It becomes like a bad habit. You know, it's good to have nice things, but something nice come out every month. And we was always on top, even with the clothes, you know, even with the name brand. Way before name brand was the it thing. We were doing it, you know, like you had all the flight stuff and then you look at it, you know, the style change, and that's like, man, I paid a thousand

alls for them shoes and now they played out. Or I paid three thousand for that car and that I'm pulled up on the scene too many times and now I need something else. You know. So when you're in evolved and you're in the light, it's different. But all of a sudden you get tired of that attention. You get tired of what come along with it. You know, it's like, man, I don't want their ladies. Man, you know, like I'm gonna chill out and I'm not on the

scene and I'm not doing this. And now you've got your little pickup truck because you want to be ducked off or you got your little card right around and dodge your attention. And so once you get to that stage, it's totally different. That part hit me when I had my son. My son is ten down. But like my last couple of years in the league, I was like, okay, you know what, you know, all that stuff ain't even necessary because I did I had, I had a whip

every week. Or once you started participating and picking up from school are programs at school, it's over. It's over for anybody that's you know, and you know when you're

in the light, you're in the life. But once you start you get the taste of, man, I'm picking the kids up and I'm dropping the kids all like you soccer mom or soccer dad or you know, like you're feelings because you're detached from the real world as a ball player, you're detaching to some real to something real happening life, and that's probably one of the realest things

is going to happen that that wake us up. Juste what I'm saying, like when you have a kid, that's eye opening, and once you become older, it's like, man, I don't need this stuff. Like you started saying, I'm paying two thousand dollars a month for daycare or private school or whatever it is, and the kids going there to play with blocks two thousand times twenty four thousand. But you're paid it on the car note, you know what I mean, Like you're you're paying it on the

car note. So it's just wisen up. And I think everybody should enjoy their money. It's just do it at a do it at a Meetum, you don't have to do it overboard, you know. I think we tried to have a yacht, helicopter or airplane. Like, get you one toy, enjoy that toy. When you're done with it, move on from it, and do it that way compared to, Hey, I got seven toys and every day of the week, I got a new toy because it gets it burn out,

you know. And I I tell somebody because I see people saying stuff about the NFL all the time, and I don't know how you feel about it, but I don't really ever bad mouth in NFL because you know, I have both I had both shoulders worked on, I had my left knee, right achilles finger risks. I have some injuries. But I'm like, man, you know what, at the end of the day, I'm gonna make the best of everything. The platform is given because you already know

the situation. At least in NFL. You know you're not for long. You're gonna you're gonna be in there, you're gonna be out, and you're gonna be forgotten about at some point in time. And so I was I just like, look, certain guys. I don't know if you've seen the day though, I guess one of the former players that came out and said, um that he was denied for the concussion.

And I don't know if you if you got a chance to see that, but it was it was based on him being him being black because and then they kind of put him up against um, another white athlete, and they said, because he's prone to certain things because he's black. And I'm like, listen, I don't know all that. I'm not a scientist. I'm not trying to figure it out. It's certain parts in the NFL that that's not right. But I always looked at it us a business anyway.

You know, man, this is one of those subjects that so touch you because it provides you with an opportunity that we weren't exposed to. We we weren't getting money and becoming breadwinners. And sports was an outlet. All professional sports was an outlet for our community. And now all of a sudden, you know, you you're starting dominating the sports world. And it's always a catch to any catches, okay,

outside like, we can't let them dominate everything. Bro. My my concussion case in two thousand and nine was used. This is way before concussions had the stigma. This is when they were stingers. This is when you know it was you got a dinger, you know, um, and they were giving you smelling salt on the sideline and slapping you upside the head and saying go back in. You know. This is way before the entire world knew the severity

of of concussions. That my case study. I went to Pittsburgh to see the neurologists, and he asked if he could use my case study for the NFL concussion um thing. I'm like, yeah, you know cool and he was like so in awe that at the time I didn't. I didn't realize what was going on, and he wanted to present my case. And then after they were always calling. I'm telling every time I went into the locker room between ten it was the first thing they asked was

my concussion. I can go in there and say, hey, my finger, jam oh, how is your head? So I'm like, I'm here from my finger. What you asked me about my head? It for? And all of a sudden I begin to realize, like it's something going on, but we still didn't know it in tuny team. It's what I'm saying, we still didn't know. So I retired. Then once I retired in the concussion situation came about and I'm like, bro,

you're gonna look at my film. I'm I'm head to head with you and blitz pick up not just when you're tackling me, this in blitz pick up all the hits that I've taken, everything, and you get denied. You go in. It's guys who playing on scouting team. It's guys who who was playing slot wide receiver back in the day when they weren't bringing even getting in the game. That's getting it in for me. I've taken three thousand carries, which that's your automatically. You're running back in the NFL

for nine years. Check something wrong with you? You know what I mean? A linebacker, something is wrong with you. That's the most physical of any position on the field. Linebacker and running back at this time through our years was the most physical decisions in safety because you're running from ten fifteen yards and you're having a collision at the highest impact that you could possibly uh collide old lineman, d lineman. They get quarterbacks, they get like all these

people who are not even in the collisions. You don't see running backs getting. You don't see all the linebackers who really got a problem getting. I just got tired.

I got frustrated with trying to get it because they ask you questions that sold they're relevant in your eyes, Like they honestly want you to come in and be slobbing and you know have a problem, like you think stay stealing, you keep doing something that's a ratic to say, hey, you know what you have, what you're holding a conversation and you have coming sense, so nothing is wrong with you, you know, like they don't want but you say, oh, you know what, I used to be a cool, calm individual.

Now I'm starting to realize my temperature short. Oh well that's anger management. Oh do you drink alcohol on the cave. Ever since I've been twenty one and old enough to drink, I can drink alcohol. So if I choose to have a drink, oh well, maybe it's alcoholism. You know, it's they they deflect so much that it kind of discourage you. You know, it discourage you to sit off in those offices for two or three days. You're taking all these tests that has nothing to do with what your issue is.

They ask you to dumb the ship that they could possibly ask you, and it's it's it's quote unquote private information. So the world is not even exposed to how you know, like how how shallow the test is. And it's like, oh, well, they're trying to set you up, bro, I've taken the same test since two thousand and nine. It's two thousand and twenty one. At what point did you come to the realization, like I didn't figure out how to take

this test or I know how to memorize. You know, it's if you give me the same tests over and over, eventually I'm gonna ace the test. You know. They use that against you. So I think it's so you know, I think I think you put so much working uh for the shields and everybody talking about the shield and honor and shield, and then when you need to shield, it's like they shipped on you. You know, they turn

your turn, turn their back to you. So you know, it's one of those you wonder why people be been and oh they blew the money man will always get money, you know what I mean. We'll always be able to get money. You'll always be as long as you've done something and your professional or the network you made like,

you'll get money. But when it comes to getting the money you should be getting, or getting the credit or the gestude, you know, all the stuff that you're supposed to when you were quote unquote once the UH poster child for the NFL, so many of those individuals are in situations that's that's screwed up. And so I always say, look, I don't have a problem with how they conduct business, but at least you could do is take care of guys when they're done for whatever they hurt, if they

got some problems, just take care of them. Like and and I'm saying this as a bare minimum because I'm still going. I get physical therapy in my shoulders once or twice a week, and I still doing my man and stuff, and I'm still active. But do I wake up my shoulders ache? Absolutely? Do I got you know, some days to get cold outside or his ranking and my left knee starting. Yeah, absolutely, or you know my achilles a little sword from tearing it or whatever the

case is. Absolutely. So my whole thing is just when the guys get done, just take care of them. I think that's just the bare the bare minimum you can do. And just not turn your back on guys. And you know the second part of it is that you know, I see a lot of these coaches, you know, getting jobs and I'm not having former players be back involved with the organizations. Like I'm sitting there and I get it. You know, coach got his his son, who his nephew

or cousin. But you'll see a lot more of that happen, and then you will a former player coming in UM and getting a coaching job, or structing an addition job or getting guys going again. Because I don't know about you, but my my first year, even though I had plenty of stuff lined up and I knew what I wanted to do, I went through it. I just it wasn't it wasn't really the same for me. And I just I don't know if you if I want to say I missed the locker room or the schedule or whatever

it was. But you know, you're just trying to find that transition where you just you're just looking for some type of normalcy. And I'll get done, I'll go do you know, TV and and out the studio and you know, in an hour and a half you're done, and you're working on something for an hour and you're done. But then you got twenty three hours, you know, twenty two hours a day left to go and figure it out. So I just I just wish they would would allow guys and reach out to guys, say hey, man, come

back to the organization. We gotta we gotta position for you here. You've done all you've done, all your work here, you you know, put you put acids and seats forwards. You sold jersey, you sold US tickets. The least you can do is come back and here and do something within the organization. I agree, man, you start. You know, when you look around, you see guys like Vince Young in the Texas situation where he just where he just got the job, and you applaud, you know, you applaud

those schools. You look at the linebacker that just went Bruski just went back to Arizona. I see a p at Arizona States just got the d C. So when you look at those situations and it's so magnified and you're so happy for those guys thing they get to go on and do what so many guys want to do. But as you said, when you look at when when you look at organizations and look at how many players uh are are outcasted from the league. And then you go and give your friends who don't have a clue,

Like some of these coaches don't have a clue. It's some there's some coaches to the Sean mcveigh's and Sean Payne and Bill Belichicks of the world. Uh uh, the Kobe Yaks and you know those coaches that have outstanding brain you know their their i Q. That's never played it down. But their i Q for this game is great. Now, if you could team partner player or players with those outstanding minds, imagine what you get. Imagine the product that

you'll get on the field. You know, Sean McVeigh is outstanding, but the rest of his coaching staff, you know, you probably got some good coaches. Imagine that those were players that were giving the direction for Sean mcveigh's vision. And you have so many guys that want to participate, that want to be around, and they give you they give you the same sobs story. Oh you don't want to do this, Well I do want to do it. That's why I'm here, That's why I'm asking you about it.

And I've done it before. So they feel like you're so disconnected, like they don't understand. As you said, when you finished the NFL, you were you were going through its your first year. Bro, everything was laid out. You knew when you walk into the facility. Here's your breakfast, you know, here's your meeting time, here's your schedule. Mr Merriman, here's here's this. You know. There's the doctor. Your first in line, you're you're right behind you know, your your

first in line. Um, you're right behind the danity, so you're next stuff, you know, So to all of a sudden, when you're no longer in that, you gotta sit in the parking lot and ain't like, oh, it's a wait list and you signed the sheet over there and you signed the sheet in your twenty five, and you're like, I gotta sit here for the next two hours, you know, like why did you tell me to come at team and I'm not going to see the doctor until one and then at one whatever it is, you don't have

that same schedule and you don't have that same um. You know. It's like people that come from the army, you know. I think always relate to one of the movies where the guy was was Diffuse and bombs, and all of a sudden he comes back to the real world and he was he was shopping and it was so he was so not used to it. He chose to go back to war, to the few was bombs and to be with his family because over there he was needed. Over there, he was somebody. Over there, he

was saving lives, he was impacting lives. And then you come home and your lady like, hey, don't get me some pampers from the store, and you like, that's what pampers from the store. You go get the pampers from the store, you know. So this is one of those situations. Man, you have so many people that needs more opportunities. Just you know, I want to do broadcasting. I love broadcasting. I think the knowledge that I have for the game

is there. But everybody that you talked to, hey, man, you know what could you could you're doing in character? I don't want to do in a character. You don't expect me in character. I want you to get the knowledge that I have. I want to show you that I'm brighter than that person that you have discussing a game that I played my entire life. So I want to sit me across from them and let us talk football. You want, you want to really educated conversation, he let

me give it to you. But instead, you know, they want us to be the gimmick. They want us to do X Y Z. So you see guys like Ryan Clark, who I love on TV. Uh, you just kind of you took your head to you know, Dominique, Dominique Foxworth and so many of those guys that you just say, man, you know what that conversation was really good? Are they're really entertainment compared to a lot of the people that you have your dones off, like what are they talking about?

You know? So I would rather see more. NBA gets right. The NBA definitely gets the right. I say this, man, man, I swear, I said all the time that NBA they take care of their guys. I don't care whether it's back in the organization. I mean, you see Steve Nash getting the job. He really you know Steve Nash had been and when you see guy, if you look down that bench, they got three or four former players as this assistant coaches, they got a one of their formers

players is a rebounding. They make a position for a rebounding like you know what, they create roles. And you know what's crazy when you look at Alabama, you look at what Nick Saban does. Nick Saban gives you a rehab. He revibes careers, he gives it. If you look on Alabama coach and staff, these are the next coaches that's

up and coming for the jobs that'servailable. You go hang with Nick, say before a year or two, and he's gonna rehab you he's gonna get you, right, He's gonna revive you and put you back in a better position than you were in before you went. Why can't more coaches do that? Why don't more organizations do that, like

revive me and put me in another position. If it's me going to an HBCU and not saying at the NFL level, just give me that, you know, let me get my create something for me, That's what I'm saying. Like they create for their people, they create. You'd be like, what title is that? What's this old? Special assistant to the offensive line coach or special assistant to the videographer. I'll carry the camera, Like, okay, I carry the camera. You're gonna pay me two hundred Let me carry it.

I'm not gonna drop this a matter of fact, I can carry two of the cameras. So, you know, just just getting more opportunity, man, I think it's it's so much missing, but it has it has to become trendy, you know, Steve Nash has to go on and have success and then they'll give someone else that opportunity. You know, you look at the Chauncey Billups of the world. You look at the area the enemies of the world, the

guys who keep being floated out. Yeah, the sam could sell the guys who who keeps being floated and oh, here's the potential and everyone is waiting to see but they never get the job. You know, you have so many of those guys. Man. You you know you're listening to Reggie Miller. You're listening to Chris Webber. I love listening to Charles Barkler and Kenney Smith and Shock and you know, just the education and how Kenneth Smith and Charles Barklay made Shock so much more of an icon,

you know, and made him better. Uh, in broadcasting, you could do that through all sports platforms which you look at ESPN, you look at NFL Network, you look at it and this this is one of those situations you say, Man, give me that opportunity, you know, give me the opportunity. If the world don't don't take to this, or if the world don't pick up on it, then the hell with it. I failed, But give me the opportunity. So so basically, if somebody reached out in a position you

you will be open to look at it. I mean so you, I mean, have anybody said anything to you trying to bring you on the staff or broadcast. I mean, what's the you know, what's the next move, what you're looking at doing well for me? Like I said, I love broadcasting. I love the freedom that comes to a broadcast. And I love talking sports. And what's crazy is it? I talk all sports. I can talk to baseball. I

watched baseball all day long. I love the pitching I love I think baseball players are some of the most athletic players. Um. That's so underrated because you can't run and dive and catch the ball and pick up and throw it back the home plate before this dude turn the corner. You can't do it. You don't have the accuracy when once you dive on the ground and then when get knocked out of you when you get up, you're gonna have and now you gotta find and turn

your body to them. Dudes do that second nature, the same way you coming down here or you second the quarterback with second nature. When you hit all lights out, it's second nature because you've trained for you know, um, and that's us It's gonna become second nature. We weren't dominant ball players when we first started out, but one day you caught win. Hey, I'm pretty good at this. And once you did, and once you start believing that you you kick the ass you took over. So give

us that opportunity. We're gonna kick ass and take over again. And whatever it is you do. My my ultimate though, I would love to be in the office. I would love bi GM or putting the roster together. I know talent, you know, Um, I feel like that's that's my niche, That's what I want to do. But I love broadcasting as well. So just getting the opportunity. Hey, okay, I'm calling it right now. There you're getting on. Somebody gonna have you an organization. You're gonna be in the both

this year, guarantee. Man. You know, it's it's crazy because you go through you know, you get opportunities, and it's always something, you know, for for us, it's always something's something negative, something something scared. They talk to you out of it. I don't talk to me out of it, you know, Like I've bro I feel like tough line, you know, like I'm I'm ready for whatever. You can't throw nothing that me been through with one loss is

gonna keep winning and losing. Hey, one day I'm up here one day, I'm but I'll never be down underneath and give up. That's the one thing about it. You've never seen me give up. You won't see me with my head down. So figuring out a way to win, figuring out a way to take over, because that day coming, like I'm gonna take over the air waves, that the front office, whatever it is. I mean, I'll before this year. That's golden age, it's golden opportunity. So it's gonna come,

It's gonna happen. And until then, you just keep cheering people alone, keep shopping and the skills, no doubt, no doubt. Hey, my dog appreciate you. Bro already man, you're looking out man, we got we gotta catch up. Man, Um, I'm gonna be out there. What part of North Carolina? A you in Charlotte? You're shot? Okay? Yeah, because I'm I'm I'm actually coming out there because I got a NASCAR team on the can Then Series. I got two cars and my team owner. But they got their meeting whenever they

left up this damn band or whatever. So I actually spent a lot of time out there in Charlotte at the facilities with NASCAR. Let me know, man, I go out to Coach Gibb's facility and kicking and chill out, and then I take the kids, you know, right around. Man, it's right now. It's just living man. You know, I think you's so much opportunity. Charlotte is great that so many ball players that live here. Um, that's your neighbors

that you don't even realize. Is one day y'all in the gym, He's like, oh man, you live out here. Yeah here blocked behind me. So yeah, it's lovely here for sure. For sure. Appreciate you bro looking out man already man, peace, Thanks guys for let's in and into another lights out podcast with me Shawn Merriman. Uh, Clint Porters Man, we go back, We go back, uh Miami Harricane.

But also we got it. We got into it with the Black colleges as well, and also um him possibly getting into the to the booth Man as a broadcast as a coach, Clint Porters, a general manager, Tyland, Scout, you name it, he can do it. So that was awesome. Man. We went and really in depth conversation that was. That was a fun one for me and somebody who I go back with. So thank you guys again for listening to another lights Out podcast with me and um that

was awesome. Man, I'm still taking it all in. That was just a great UH session and a great conversation we had. So keep leaving those reviews, keep subscribing, m I'm seeing the comments on those reviews man, of really cool stuff. I'm glad you guys enjoining the guests and the podcast. So h until next time, we'll hit it again.