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Lucifer 305 + 306: "Welcome Back, Charlotte Richards" & "Vegas with Some Radish"

Nov 30, 202337 minEp. 19
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“Welcome Back, Charlotte Richards” and “Vegas with Some Radish” give us some interesting back story on pre-Goddess Charlotte and card-counting Ella. We also get a nice blend of physical humor and satisfying writing. 

In the episode 305, We see our writers having their cake and eating it too as they critique the over-sexualization of consumer advertising while lingering lovingly on scantily-clad women (and a few men) trying to sell pudding. Tom Ellis really convinces us of Lucifer’s discomfort with Charlotte’s (Tricia Helfer) advances with a scramble up the piano’s keys, melodic tinkling and all. And Charlotte epitomizes the literary definition of cuckoo-bananapants with her attempts to restore the balance of good and bad deeds. 

In 306, there is some really effective fill-in writing about Lucifer’s not-quite-ex-wife, Candy Morningstar, and a really fun musical number with Lucifer on vocals and Ella (Aimee Garcia) in a showgirl’s costume. (Lucifer’s vocals remind Tracie of Michael, the archangel twin we won’t meet until season 4). We also get a not-quite-believable private party for a few of Lucifer’s friends at the penthouse, because hey, a high quality sound system, top shelf liquor, and the best views of the city are hard to pass up. 

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Speaker 1

Tracy and Emily are smart , lovable sisters who really love Lucifer for the plot yeah , the plot which they overthink .

Speaker 2

Hey there , I am here with my sister , tracy Guy Decker , and she does use a hyphen .

Speaker 3

And I'm here with my sister , Emily Guy Birken . She does not use a hyphen . No hyphen for me .

Speaker 2

And together we are doing Lightbringers , where we analyze the deeper meaning of the crime-solving devil TV show . And yes , we're totally overthinking it .

Speaker 3

So overthinking it , yeah , so we're getting deeper into season three . So today we have 305 and 306 . Welcome back Charlotte , richards and Vegas with some radish .

Speaker 2

Vegas with some radish is probably my most rewatched season three episode .

Speaker 3

You know , I realize I haven't rewatched a whole lot of season three at all and I'm kind of sad that I didn't , because Vegas with Radish is a really good episode , such a good episode , really good . But let's start from the beginning . Let's start from the beginning . Yes , welcome back , charlotte Richards . Trisha Helfer is back with all of her teeth .

She has so many teeth . Actually , I thought that episode was you know it's . We didn't know Charlotte , the actual Charlotte , at all before . So this is really because we met her after she had already died with the screwdriver to the back of the neck . So this has been . It was kind of interesting to actually eliminate him get to see her , the real Charlotte .

Speaker 2

Yeah , yeah , it is . And the way that she reacts to the fact that she's lost time and that you know what she does remember it was hell Right Is so relatable . Yeah , it was , it's definitely plausible .

Speaker 3

Yeah , like talking to yourself in the mirror like you're not crazy , don't let them do crazy , kind of thing . Yeah , yeah , it was definitely .

Speaker 2

it felt very plausible , especially from someone as high achieving yes , as Charlotte is meant to be , yeah Well , and the way that she handles not knowing what's going on , like in that first scene where she's in the mirror , or scene where she's in the precinct and she's like what part of closing my briefcase Did you understand ? Yeah , yeah , yeah .

So very much , fake it till you make it . And her reaction to Dan also is , you know , heartbreaking for poor Dan , but also , like , completely understandable in terms of like she is trying very hard to hold it all together , yeah , and not let anyone see that she is completely lost .

Speaker 3

Yeah . And then the first scene when she shows up at the penthouse and she's like this finally made sense . Of course I'm sleeping with the tall , dark and handsome , you know , yeah . And then you know the physical comedy of him , like climbing on the piano and the keys . Yeah , oh my gosh Pretty great , it's pretty great .

Speaker 2

Yeah , I love that , love that moment .

Speaker 3

Yeah , that was pretty cool .

Speaker 2

Even as upsetting as it is . And then Charlotte at the end , where she asks like you knew me when I wasn't me , what was I like ? And even knowing that that's not her like , there's this intimacy between them , you know .

Speaker 3

Well , it's interesting because he allows himself sort of a moment of emotional vulnerability in this strangers presence , because she doesn't feel like a stranger to him , yeah , and then they sort of acknowledge it . They break the spell when he's like , yeah , but that wasn't you , and she's like , no , it wasn't you know .

So like there's this spell of intimacy and vulnerability that then gets broken by acknowledging that that wasn't her , even though it's the same physical presence and it was interesting . Actually , speaking of the same physical presence , ella , I used to see a light in you and now all I see is darkness , and I think it's .

I feel like the show runners give us mixed signals about Ella , yeah , and her judgment about people you know , because even just to this point , I mean like forget about what's going to happen , which makes it even more confusing , but even just to this point . Right , she fangirled over Bobby Lowe , she fangirled over Pierce , yeah .

But then there's this thing with Charlotte , where she did see , like the dramatic irony is that we know there was a literal light , yeah . Interesting sort of like mixed signals , odd judge of character Like not good Odd .

Although I think they also in these two seeing , you know , since she had that moment where she said you know , I used to see a light in you .

And then in the next episode , when she tells Lucifer that counting cards is part of the way she makes the voices quiet like , that's also like kind of a little bit of foreshadowing of what we're going to learn about her in the future . I don't know she's .

She's a much more complex character than I think we sometimes give her credit for yeah , I mean not you and I , because you have said that you think she's one of , you know , one of the most unique characters on TV . It's like they put her in that type , that sort of quirky , smart science type , in like Manic pixie dream girl .

But like NCIS has that same person as the . Yeah , yeah , yeah , you know , like there's , she actually fills kind of a specific slot in the in the crime procedural and yet , you know , she seems like there's an extra layer of the spirituality and I don't know what to call it . There's an extra layer to Ella that's not there for the trope .

Speaker 2

Yeah , I'm not super familiar because I don't watch NCIS or any of those things , but I think fierce loyalty , that fits with that trope . I think , yeah , I think so .

But just thinking the fact that she went and confronted Charlotte on Dan's behalf and the way that she not only went with Lucifer to Vegas but pointed out where he was lying to himself and things like that , so I just see what a really good friend she is , even though she totally invited herself on the Vegas trip .

Speaker 3

She totally did . She totally did . So anything else on , welcome Back Charlotte , or can we move on to the juicier one ? I would like to talk a little bit about the pudding .

Speaker 2

Oh yeah , good call , good call , yeah , so from what I suspect was a throwaway line in Welcome to Stabby Town Back in season two . Yeah , I suspect that was just a joke for that moment . They have made part of Dan's character because they have the call backs .

You know other people stealing his pudding and then you know like he likes this pudding and it fits , because he does work out , because it has twice the protein , yep , but it's just one of those things where you get a peek into an industry you're not a part of and you're sitting there going like it's pudding , so like you have a fixer who's following people

and threatening people over recipes for pudding . And then the reality of you know it's got poison in it and they've done the calculation that they're going to just let people be poisoned because it's going to cost less to settle lawsuits , which is gross , so gross , so gross .

And that poor Simon , the , the , the chemist , the chemist , who was dying one horrible death and he sacrificed himself in the most awful way I can possibly think of to make sure that .

Speaker 3

Oh , come on , you have a better imagination than that I just it's gross , it's awful , it's bad , it's just like .

Speaker 2

I'm sure there are worse ways to die , but , like not many , it's pretty gross .

Speaker 3

It's pretty gross .

Speaker 2

Well and painful and yeah . So yeah , like what a man should mean Knowing that was the only way he was going to get people to look into it . I mean , I guess , but could you ? I mean maybe you could have blown the whistle by , by going to the media , I don't know .

Speaker 3

I mean , I don't know it . One one . I can't help but wonder if we're overthinking it anyway . Like Ella knew there was toxin just by looking at the names of the two chemicals . So like it wasn't a discovery that the that the , the chemist , made right , like he must have known for however long , and now he's killing him , you know .

So I like I don't know that he was a mensch . Fair enough , it seems more like a like , a like a last minute . Hail Mary .

Speaker 1

Yeah , in this action , like what ?

Speaker 3

Charlotte's going through exactly . Like guilt for what has what he's been doing , what's already kind of ?

Speaker 2

happened . All right , fair enough , especially because that's what we see Charlotte going through and that is the way this show works .

Speaker 1

Right .

Speaker 3

There's always parallelism across the intertwined stories .

Speaker 2

Yeah , and I will say that , like with what Charlotte's going through , the way that she reacts , like she manages to hold it together , but then when she goes cuckoo banana pants , she really goes for it . It's been bringing a gun and and and it's .

Speaker 3

It's like how is this going to expand your record if you kill somebody . Yeah , yeah , total cuckoo banana pants , cuckoo banana pants , and that is the technical term that was the literary .

Speaker 2

That's what Linda would say too . No , no , no it's not psychological .

Speaker 3

This is literary , this is literary .

Speaker 2

The other thing I'm thinking about is Chloe , let Lucifer go in first to try to talk her down . And that also makes sense , story wise , in that she still thinks that this , that Charlotte , is his stepmother , right , so you know ?

Like , yeah , that would make sense if we're just some random person involved in this crime this this week , I can't imagine her letting him go in and try to talk her down , but like , oh yeah , it's your stepmother , I'm sure you can . You know , you know how to , yeah .

Speaker 3

You know what else we should talk about in Welcome Back Charlotte is the commercial with the angels and the pudding .

Speaker 2

I have a fluff for that moment , but which I'll say for the end .

Speaker 3

But yes , it was just an interesting like I'm almost envisioning the writer's room like oh , what if there are angels ? And then we can have him say something like totally not realistic , but I approve because they're . You know like , I even see them saying like like the Victoria's Secret Angels , but with pudding .

Yeah , you know like , I'm just imagining the writer's room talking , you know yeah .

Speaker 2

Well , and it's interesting that you know , when he gets the like , what is it you truly desire to the executive ? And she is , you know , like to stop shooting this exploitative crap . And it's very weird that this person has a moral compass in some ways that I agree with and none whatsoever and other ways that I think are more important .

I don't , like you know , I think , not killing people . I'm going to put higher , above you know , making sure that we do not objectify women .

Objectify women and use self-putting , yeah , but like it's really tough because , like I don't and again , this is this is one of those where the show gets to have it both ways , because it gets to call it exploitative while lovingly passing over every single one of those canceling glad women and a few men , right .

Speaker 3

Right , yeah , I mean . It's interesting too that the last thing we hear her say before she interacts with Chloe and Lucifer is like more pudding in Blondie's mouth , I don't care if she can't breathe . Yes , right . So to your point , she cares much more .

She seems to care more about the you know over sexualization for a product than about the fact that it's killing people yes , although she's still doing it , even though she says what I really want is to stop it . So you know the almighty dollar is a powerful God , the most powerful God , yes , yeah , okay . Now have we talked enough about Charlotte .

Yeah , about Charlotte .

Speaker 2

Let's move on to Vegas with some radish .

Speaker 3

Love that episode so much . It's really good . It's really good . The first thing I have to say about it is I think you pointed out when we , when we rewatched the first episode with Candy , that they kept saying she was an exotic dancer and she's a singer . I don't think they knew that when they filmed .

Yeah , I think that that , like that , this whole backstory although maybe not because he paid off the loan shark , but I don't know , I'm I'm a little conflicted because it does feel like an obvious , like continuity issue . Yeah , continuity issue .

They kept saying that she was an exotic dancer and , per our conversation , maybe they genuinely did mean for it to be the shady diamond seller . You know who says it's your funeral , because why would he say it's your funeral if he was just paying off Candy's debt ? But was that Louis Pagliani ? Oh , I don't know , I didn't go back .

Speaker 2

We could , we could , we could check and see if it was the same actor .

Speaker 3

That's true .

Speaker 2

Because that would . I will check .

Speaker 3

All right , I will edit out the time it takes for you to find it . So now we know for certain different actors . So I think actually we were meant to , like the writers , actually believe that the that whole scene with the money that confused you was about the diamonds Diamond , apparently so . And I mean , looking back , I mean they did a good job .

Because looking back , if , if we hadn't just looked up the cast , like in some ways it makes sense Like oh , that was what the money was for . It wasn't actually for that diamond .

Speaker 2

But she does say like I owe you at the end of Candy Morning Star .

Speaker 3

I mean , I think they they knew there was something . They left an opening . Yeah , although you said that this was one of the ones that was pushed forward when they found out they got a third season .

Speaker 2

Yeah , Mr and Mrs Mazekine Smith , vegas with some radish . The next episode , the name of which I can't remember ? Oh wait , I thought there were only four . All right , I'm off , I'm not sure . And then there's two episodes at the end that I think are both bonus episodes , but that's five , and I'm now getting confused .

So maybe not , this might not have been one that was left over .

Speaker 3

Well , if it was in fact planned , there's some continuity issues . It wasn't planned , then they didn't go . Yeah , awesome , because the continuity issues are minimal . Yeah , they really are . So , and I mean this is actually a really nice story and it gave like even more depth to Candy and and Ella , as we said a little bit .

So we also , yeah , the the interaction with Linda and Chloe and actually even seeing Chloe just like really being hurt by him being gone and being mad at herself for being hurt . Yeah , like you know , I'm not a huge Lauren German fan , but I actually think she pulled this one off really really well , did a really nice job .

I think that is exactly how that that cop that we met in season one , who was , you know , no nonsense all the toughest nails yeah , because she had to be to make up for the fact that she , you know , done the hot tub high school and that nobody likes her on the department , because the whole Palmetto thing , like that toughest nails cop that we met , would

have reacted in that way , like having feelings and being mad at her feelings , like I'm feelings about the feelings , like that just felt really plausible and I believed Lauren Germans delivery , with the sort of tipsiness and the like I believed it in ways that see , british man , yeah , yeah .

Speaker 2

And that the fact that they were like we're in a party here , yeah .

Speaker 3

When , when Linda's , like I know a spot is a great sound system in the best top shop liquor , best views in the city . That was great the way they just decided without yeah .

Speaker 1

Yeah , without saying it , that's it , yeah , yeah .

Speaker 3

It was great , that was great .

Speaker 2

So the the , the interaction between Lucifer and Ella , I think is really interesting to see in this episode , in that he hasn't I don't feel like he spent a whole heck of a lot of time with her prior to this .

I mean , there have been moments where , like he , like he , she took him to church and things like that , but this is the first , like you know , extended airing of the airing they have , yes , and like she calls him on his bullshit .

And that's really cool , like a lot of people , because Chloe tries to and I'm not saying she doesn't call him on his bullshit , but she is so freaking confused by him that she's like I don't know , I don't even know what's bullshit , and so she'll be more like sarcastic about it .

Speaker 3

Like she's also , she's also . She has feelings for him , yes , and so it's really hard for like it . The thing is , if she calls him completely on his bullshit , she's calling herself out for having feelings for this . You know weird Immature , you know full of himself , narcissus , bullshitter , yeah .

And so , like she has , like , it makes sense that she can't quite call him out , as you know , as bluntly , yes , I think , as Ella does .

Speaker 2

She , she is generally more like sarcasm , right ? Oh , you should be able to relate to that .

Speaker 3

Yeah , of course you are .

Speaker 2

I feel like there's not many people in Mustafa's life who can do that . So , like , mays is the person who's closest to him in a lot of ways , but she has to tiptoe around him .

Speaker 3

Yeah , they have . He has the power over dynamic with him , yeah , yeah .

Speaker 2

And then a menadil he can't take seriously because it's his big brother .

Speaker 3

You know , like there's that weird power dynamic and they like are vying for power , right , because of the sort of favorite thing and and what we talked about in our last episode .

It's that like cruel lashing out yeah , that Lucifer does at a menadil , but also like , if we remember when a menadil was an antagonist , you know , and was like you belong in hell , you know it's . It's not like , it's not one sided , it's and it's not a . There's a lot of baggage on both sides with a sibling relationship .

Speaker 2

Yeah , and so you know like it's really interesting to see . Well , for one thing , I was thinking about the Father Frank episode and how it starts with Linda asking do you have anyone you consider a friend ? And that the episode is about how he becomes friends with Father Frank and immediately loses him .

And I was thinking , with this episode Ella is a friend , Like , she's very much , she , she's there for him even though he didn't think he needed her . He was , he was happy to go without her and she invited herself along and she protected him when he was going to like not just to him but but Candy as well .

When he was like this isn't candy , he at the crime scene , she was like no , no , no , no , we don't want that out , and like was able to see , like the implications of what was going to happen , because he's just like a puppy yeah . And you know same thing with pretending to be from sensational statues .

Speaker 3

That was pretty great . Masha is Masha .

Speaker 2

Yeah , so , so like , and that that's really cool . Like we see , this is Lucifer has a friend and and he has more than one . I mean , like there's Linda and Dan and Chloe are in his apartments and they would not be there if they did not feel some sort of closeness or affection with him , even as they're , like , pissed at him and want to break into it .

Speaker 3

It's the same thing behind the the cloud mermaid yeah , I love that the cloud mermaid Haming showed up and like I'm just thinking , how do you sleep with that looking over you ? You know I had forgotten that Ellie gets dressed up as a showgirl .

Speaker 2

Pretty great , amy Garcia . She's pretty awesome . She's amazing . I do want to say , though , so she recognizes the casino sound of it , the sound of the one specific slot machine which I'm like . I'll give it to them , but clearly that's a casino that she went and banned from .

She's already been banned from there , so her disguise was to wear a gold sequined dress and do nothing to her face .

Speaker 3

Well , because they showed us the picture before , when she was all like you know hooded up , but they have a face scanner .

Speaker 2

I mean you at least need to do like contouring for , like you know , those dark yeah with the dark yeah to make the face scanner not catch you . And , like I was just like is this really .

Speaker 3

I think , though , it's almost like she wanted to get caught , because when I can't remember a name , but when the pit boss you know , the wife says you know , you're so predictable , we caught you in only 30 minutes , and she says 43 . Like she was timing them yeah . So she obviously thought that , knew they were going to , yeah . And then what did she say ?

She said I think we should stop talking , and by we I mean you , is that what she says to him . Yes , like she knew exactly what was going to happen and in fact it was part of her plan because she wanted to get in front of the pit boss , because the pit boss was the suspect .

So you know , I don't think it was her miscalculating that the disguise wouldn't work .

Speaker 2

Yeah , I think that actually was her calculation precisely , you know , and actually come to think of it , it might be that it's not just that she recognized the sound of the machine , like , but the sound of the machine might have made her realize , like , oh , I know Mrs Hamhands face , because , like you're looking at an oil painting of someone that's not very good

and you're like it could be anybody . But , like oh , I know exactly where that is , yep , Yep . So yeah , I mean that fits , I'll give you that All right .

When Ella says we all have our ways of coping and he says with what Poverty , which I thought was an interesting response , although , knowing like the little we do about her background , I like I don't know , or maybe based on the way she was dressed in the mugshot that we saw , with the hat and the hoodie and stuff , I don't know .

Speaker 3

I mean , we know she stole cars and her brother still does that , like we have you know . That didn't stand out to me .

Speaker 2

I just it was just a like of the things that he would think that would be .

Speaker 3

I just wouldn't have been the first thing . Yeah , yeah .

Speaker 2

And then the fact that he lets her drop it when she says the voices like no , no , that's , that's we need to discuss it , like if Linda had been there . Like we can table this for now , but we're coming back to it , like she did with Mays not having a soul .

Oh , I want to say it kind of makes me sad that in all the people we see , ella give a hug to , candy is the only one who has an appropriate reaction , like she did need a hug and she took her a second , but then she's like yeah , I need this .

Speaker 3

Yeah , and then Lucifer is like OK , ok , yeah .

Speaker 2

Because , poor Candy , she's in a tough spot and she's got to feel terrible about Halle , about her friends dying , yeah , which I mean you're trying to be a good person , trying to help someone out . How could you possibly know ? Yeah , so I do want to talk about the flashbacks , yeah . So , first of all , I love seeing Lucifer a mess yeah , me too .

So he's a mess at the bar and she's singing Fever , fever , thank you , that's I love . I love that Even the bartender is like who is she Not the one singing , right , the one you're moping about ?

So the way that he reacts to Candy is just delightful , in that he's like well played , goes to get his stuff back , sees that she's being hassled and then breaks into her apartment and just you know . But you know , even the like , he is the devil .

He is the devil when she's crying and he's just like , yeah , your story sounds right , but the waterworks know Immediately , yeah , that's because it's not true ? Yeah , it is true , that is my . My lectures is my home . Blah , blah , blah , blah . Their chemistry is just adorable .

Yeah , there's something so adorable about him in the smuggy like eating ice cream , but they're just like yeah , and so , like that she sees through his Well , not that he has much of a facade , but she sees him like she sees him .

He thinks he has a facade , yeah , and he recognizes like who she is too , like he can see she's not the the , the dits that she lets people think she is Like , she lets people make assumptions about her and like speaks to her , you know , on like an equal playing field , which is , I don't know , there's just something really adorable .

But then when he's married , she's she spits it . Because of course that would be the reaction . He , he like , he like adjusts the snuggly to oh man , so funny , oh my goodness , so good .

And then like the way she , when , when she's like coming for a drink and he's like well , I've got to get back to Los Angeles , and she's like oh so , how's things going with the , with the detective ? I'm like I think I'm throwing it up . He's like then get out of here , like that's way more important .

Speaker 3

Yeah , ok , I think we should talk about the gift . It becomes such a thing like a through line in the future .

I'd forgotten that this was the moment that it is given and I also had forgotten that she , that Chloe , wakes up while he's doing his like your asleep confessions or whatever you know , my kid was in the room while I was watching the last 10 minutes and I was like , oh , thank God , she's just what that means , not what I have to explain that one .

Speaker 2

I know exactly which line you're talking about .

Speaker 3

Yeah , about about the bullet , yeah , yeah , oh man . And that moment too , in the way that Chloe laughs , that's another one that actually felt real , like like there's some , there's some lines or reactions that Lauren German delivers that I'm just like , but that one , that one , felt real .

Speaker 2

I actually I feel like I've learned somewhere that not that he ad-lib that line , but they that she didn't know he was .

Speaker 3

Oh , she didn't know that that was yeah , so it was genuine genuine Lauren German , like a goal it's pretty funny . Oh yeah , yeah , yeah , and that was the only thing in the safe , mm . Hmm , I mean , we've seen the safe and we will see it again and there's , like you know , gold , bullion and other stuff in there .

Yeah yeah , that was especially since they had tried so hard to get into it . That was really interesting . It's also the things that they thought that the combination would be like 666 makes sense , but like boom Boom .

Speaker 2

Yeah , and like I wonder if there's , if you know someone who can see patterns or something like that can figure out what the SIV with combination actually is , and it was Chloe's birthday , since it had her birthday gift in it .

Speaker 3

Oh , that's my guess .

Speaker 2

So he changes it depending what's in there .

Speaker 3

Yeah , he changes it on the regular , you know , changing your password , it's it's .

Speaker 2

You know that's a thing that's good , say hygiene and just the same like password hygiene , exactly , exactly . I do also want to mention so . Like we see that she's awake but from Lucifer's point of view he can't tell . But then when she's like , she realizes he's opening the safe and she does it .

Speaker 3

Yeah , make sure he knows that she's awake .

Speaker 2

How did you get a job ? Not to a fire school ? It's the worst between that and then I my my pet peeve . This is another one of those like who is with Trixie ? Yeah .

Speaker 3

Yeah , because Dan's asleep . There too , he's asleep there too .

Speaker 2

Oh , did you notice that the cake that Dan got her was like like remaindered , because it said happy birthday , and like the candles were in there ? It looked like it had written Chris and she put it in there .

Speaker 3

So like Chloe did notice that it said Chris , I didn't , I didn't pause it to look , that's funny , yeah .

Speaker 2

So like when he's so pissed off like stealing my thunder , like , well , you could have gotten the cake that actually had her name on it . I also I appreciate that Linda offers free therapy to all of her friends , like Chloe's obviously frustrated and she's like have a seat , yeah , come on .

Yeah like I'm just imagining , like that's got to be tough for a therapist . Yeah , you know it also she . She's like let's go over there , drink all his whiskey . Yeah , play his piano . Look at his copy of Hamlet , yeah .

Speaker 3

Right , whoo . Okay , I think we have done quite a bit of overthinking . I'm just looking at the time , mm-hmm , we have over thunk for quite some time .

Speaker 2

I do have some fluff . Yeah , lay it on me . It's a very , very little fluff moment . So in welcome back Charlotte Richards . When they go to the filming of the heavenly pudding and there's all the things , generally clad angels around and Lucifer is saying like , oh , it's not realistic , but I like it .

But you know , at my other hand , like you know , it's like liking something that dad made . I mean like I don't remember exactly what he says , but he says at one point , but I can't look away and he has this tiny eyebrow raise . It's like like a micron of an inch .

I mean like it's just this tiny and I'm like I don't even know if Tom Ellis knew he did it . It's so small but it is , oh , perfect , it is like it's the perfect amount of eyebrow raise to just be like , yeah , I can't help myself . I'm like I rewound it and watched it again because I was just like that was just that was . I Like that .

Thank you , tom . Thank you for that eyebrow . So that's my fluff that I noticed . It's really funny . Oh man , you have any fluff that you would like to add ? I ?

Speaker 3

I ? I'm not sure that I do . I think we talked about some of the moments like the winch , when Charlotte is jumps his bones and Piano like little tinkling on the piano and that , and and Ellis is like full-body discomfort . What an incredible physical comic he is he really yeah , he really is , he really is .

Yeah , I mean I I missed both maze and a menadil in these two episodes , like especially when they're in the penthouse , like trying to get into the safe , like I mean I guess they didn't trust a menadil to not tell him , but he would have been the first one I called .

Speaker 2

Yeah , yeah , I love that Dan is like I come back and spackle it's a tiny little thing , it's back .

Speaker 3

Oh well , also , when loose forgets , there the thing is not spackled , it's , it's still a mess . Yeah , so I guess they got distracted from , yeah , spackling well , there's a lot of emotional stuff going on . And Dan had to catch up with the drinking .

Well , also like a little weird for Dan , right , like because his ex is like freaking out , because , yeah , like there's like the triangle , like it's almost like they want to just forget the . Dan and Chloe used to be a couple .

Yeah , I'm not sure they would call him , yeah , or that he would come like sure I'll come to Lucifer's apartment and help you break into his safe . Yeah , because you're upset that he left town on your birthday . I'm not sure that would have been a yes .

Speaker 2

Yeah , yeah , that's , that's a . That's a good point . That's a good point . Snake hips .

Speaker 3

Stripper okay , the cop , the cop stripper , cop stripper .

Speaker 2

That's nothing to do with anything , but I'm just thinking like how annoyed he was . Maybe because he was so annoyed about snake hips and he didn't believe when Ellis , claiming that she did it , he didn't leave , lucifer did it , or that Lucifer didn't do it . I mean maybe . But wow , yeah , it's so funny scene , yeah .

Speaker 3

Actually , like Chloe in the in the elevator doors , I love there was money through the open doors and you just see , like the slice , that's pretty good . I don't know how he did that that was amazing . Yeah , the director , nice job on that one , yeah .

Speaker 2

So I have one more piece of fluff , okay , and that is I have now adopted . Instead of just saying potato , potato , I now say potato , potato , potato . About bluffing in my yeah so like , if you know the same difference , like potato , potato and people are like I don't understand .

Speaker 3

Oh , I have another piece of fluff , because I've seen the whole series like rewatching . When he's singing , luck be a lady , it sounds like Michael . I'm like oh , it's Michael singing , cuz I'm .

Speaker 2

I don't , I don't hear it . Oh , you don't have that reaction . Yeah , I don't have that reaction .

Speaker 3

I , as I was watching that there was something about the tonality and the and the fact that you know there's the no visit , no audible accent like it's .

Speaker 2

That was Michael's voice and I not like it ? Yeah , because Michael's a dick I said so funny .

Speaker 3

I well , we'll get to it , yeah we'll get there , we'll get there . I remember I seeing that like Tom Ellis had was up for some award for like best villain in a TV show , and I was like Lucifer is not a villain . And then I was like , oh right , he plays Michael too there .

Speaker 2

There were times where Michael was in the show and then like when we finally got to Lucero's , like oh , thank God , it's Tom oh .

Speaker 3

Man , that's gonna be fun . Okay , I'm calling it sure in the future because we've done too much over overthinking for one day . We have done , we have over overthunk , we've overthunk .

Speaker 2

We've over overthunk ? Yeah , cuz we've done too much overthinking , so we've over overthunk Whatever you say . Look , we are grammar goddesses and we want to be precise , all right . Well , I will see you next week .

Speaker 3

See you next week .

Speaker 1

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