McDonald's Anyone? feat. Mark Macdonald

Here we are on another beautiful, sunny, glorious Californian too hot day, Brandon. I know it's really warming up quickly. It's hot because global warming is happening and a California seems to be melting. No, you're gonna be fucked because there will be no ice left now. There's no ice left, by the way, the ice in the fridge weaves that weird taste in your mouth in the main al. Yeah, yeah, it's a problem with I know. Can you mention how disappointed I am? Very Yeah, it's getting very, very hot,

and I don't like the heat. I don't like it when it's hot hot. People think l A is like some paradise, but it's much hotter than it used. People forget that it's basically a dessert here. Yes, it's a desert, you're right. I forget that. I that it's like tropical. No, it's sucking hot. Yeah, and everything is brown and arid. I want on a hike the other day, and I wanted Sarah Silverman's and it's brown. Everything is brown, brown, brown,

brown brown. There's no lush greenery, even though I always forget to California is the desert, and I think of it as green because everywhere I live because they bring the greenery in and then it's so expensive to maintain. Yeah, right, right, unbelievable. I'm having a diet coke right now, you guys. I couldn't help my donald's. Yeah, I had to, you guys. I had a really really late night last night, so

we did stop at McDonald's muffin. I got a sausage McMuffin, which I love and I haven't had one since I've been home, sweetheart, and hash brown, which I just want to smash my face into. That's how delicious it is. So I like to get a sausage, egg and cheesewick muffin, the hot cakes and two hash Brown's. That's my hangover me hot cakes. Yes, they're pancakes, taste cake. I don't give a ship about pancakes. I don't care. I don't. I don't think I've had a pancake. We're going to

have one. Oh no, no, no. I don't care about pancakes. Maybe blueberry if they were stuffed with blueberries. But I don't care about pancakes at all. I don't want French toes. I don't want pancakes. I want eggs and cheese and like fry. You know, is when you get as sweet craving you have to have like you will scour the house for anything sweet, But I default to sweet. I

don't care about. My favorite chocolates are called Toby Tobin's and they're dark, dark chocolate, sea salt on them, and Brandon has a box of them for me at the house all the time, and he hides them because I can't control myself. But they have these. They're so fucking good. They make this turtle. Any of their nutted chocolates, don't say nutted, Oh my god, they nutted chocolates, any of their chocolates Turtle. By the way, when you're talking about chocolate, well,

they're best the Nutcluster. They're best that I've had is their Rocky Road. It is delic But did you tell the woman that I just want the ones with the nuts in that? Yes? I sent an email, But why does she keep giving me the ones that? Because they're pre their boxes. So the boxes that we get are predetermined because they come in different sizes and they have the chocolates that they put in those boxes, so they're made up and ready to go. So I let her

know that we wanted to customize a Chelsea Handler. Yeah, yeah, I think it's time that priority. She knows I'm like her best probably your best customer in town. She's very grateful. She sends very nice messages. She loves nay Hi Toby. I should follow chuck her out at the Malibu Country Mart. You will not regret it. Oh wait, is that where she is in Malibu? Yeah, they moved from Brentwood. They're in Malibu now. Their stores really cute. I really just

want weed update. Well, this is week for Weed. This is week four, Brandon. I'm losing track. Well because you've done so well. There's not been any issues. Really, you've not lost it, Okay. I'm just I thought it would be more excited that I was able to accomplish four weeks of no Pianovius smoking, and I don't feel excited. I'm just like, okay, well you have strong will hour.

So I think that's part of it too, that it really for me, at least from the outside, it was never going to be that much of a feat because you've done it before, you could do it again, and it's not like heroin or crack. We're like, oh my god, I have to have this, like get through my day. It was a nice booster. But now you're gonna be able to enjoy it again and it won't take you twenty five milligrams to feel high, right exactly. So yeah, I'll be lightheaded. I have to be very careful about

my intake. I'm gonna start micro doosing up two point five milligrams. Yeah, just just start. I'm just gonna start all over again. Just pretend it's all over again, like your weed virgin. You know. I think I'm just done with it, Like I want to smoke now. It's like, okay, I did it. I showed you, Okay, but I was at my girlfriend's the other night and it was hard because there were people smoking joints and I was like, wow, I really want one, and I just had to literally

walk away. So you're getting the weed cravings now, well it's not. No, it wasn't the weed craving. It was like the social aspect of it. I wanted to be part of it, but you wanted to get stones, you know, like I wanted to be like stoney baloney, but with people. Yeah, because there are times people will do it on their back patio by themselves. Some brand just sent me a huge thing of new joints. So as soon as I break this, that's where I'm headed. That's nice to have

that to look forward to. Yeah. Blazy lazy something they're called lazy Susan. Is it blaze Susan? Thank you, Lazy Susan. Speaking of cravings, do you have cravings when you get stoned? Because you often talk about women get the muncheese, and I always associate that, like I feel like I have pregnancy cravings when I'm stoned. I always kind of want the same things. You have, things that you go to, like McDonald's del taco. Obviously, I love McDonald's breakfast if

I'm hungover, So that's a morning morning tree. You wouldn't have that at night when No, no, no, they don't serve breakfast at more civilized that they do. This is this is a new development for for you maybe, but they actually started doing all day breakfast probably like two years ago. So now you can get your sausagea McMuffin, your hotcakes, which discussed you, but really excite me at

any time, so it may be a good late night. No. No, I'm going to just keep out where it is in my head because I don't need to add anything else to my repertoire. I don't have anything in the house that's even fun to eat except for my Toby Tobe and chocolate. So even when I get stoned, I don't it's not about the food because there's nothing there. I have turkey, and I have tomatoes, and I have egg

whites and chocolate. Well, you really do yourself a service in that way by keeping everything very clean in the house. But there's nothing worse than when you are stoned and you really want something, And well, what about if you're me and you don't even know how to operate Postmates, and so you're really stoned and you do want a meal and you can't even do it. You know, benitos tacos, that's a good one. Last time I got really stoned, I made leave I drive to get it because it

was out of the delivery zone. And that's he knew I needed it badly. Fry taco shells and the reason why they're so delicious. So they have like carnitas and then they have beef shredded. It's all, and they have the chicken. But at that point you might as well just go for it because it's dipped in oil and fried. It's like you're not trying to get chicken over beef. At that point, you might as well just get the

cancer straight away. I v it. As you can see by that part of the conversation that we have some unhealthy habits, but also I've been on this nutritional I really do hate using the word journey now that it's been set up that we shouldn't be using it. Sometimes it's the only word that works well. We need to come up with a replacement word then, because journey is just is too it's overused and it's I can't this nutrition experience. I don't know how that works either, but

anyways of it maybe. Yeah, so we haven't healthy happits. We're going to talk to our nutritionist Mark today. We're gonna talk about some body image issues, things that we all seemingly he's done with. Yeah, he's been my nutritionist since I was I think the first time I saw him was when I was twenty seven and forty six, so I've known him for twenty years and Brandon's have recently got on the band wagon with him as well.

It's a good way to engage in like healthy clean eating and living, and it kind of reframes your logic around food and the way you kind of think about what you're putting into your body. He always talks about food as fuel and I'm like, oh, shut up, but it's so true. It's like it is fuel. Like Larry David had a quote where he said, whatever you're eating, it is either helping to keep you alive or helping

to kill you. And I think that's that's really interesting. Well, today we're going to have people calling in writing in about body dysmorphia. We have an interesting submission about being a gluttonist, someone who has really unhealthy eating habits. And I'm like that, I have that, I have. I have aspects of my personality that are gluttonous. If I have a piece of food in my car, it ends up

in between my legs, stuck to my jeans. I watched a video the other day of this woman saying about her you know, eating habits, being gluttonous, and that she will verbally tell herself these are here, I don't need to eat them all in this sitting like you can come back for these, It's okay to put them away. And as simple as that sounds like, I would eat an entire fucking bag or container of oreos, thinking like who else is going to eat these before I get

back to them? So, yeah, I don't like finishing things like that. I don't. I'm not going to finish a container of oreos like that. That doesn't make me. Then I'm like, WHOA, I fucking lost the plot. Yeah, and that's a lot of my life, so I gotta get on track. Yeah. Well, I guess that's that's why you

just don't get it. You don't have it around. If you don't have it around, it does work that way, I'm not gonna have something in my kitchen that I'm not going to eat or demolish when I'm you know, weak, I get it. Well, let's take a quick break and

then we will get into these submissions. So our first emission comes from Aramb She is twenty six, and she writes in Dear Chelsea, I have being diagnosed with body dysmorphia and an eating disorder, and short, I hate my body despite the fact that my body is technically considered desirable or ideal by the American beauty standards. I work out, eat healthy, wear clothes I like, but I can't find anything that helps. How can I learn to love my body? Yeah? God,

it's really hard to love your body. I didn't start loving my body until I was like in my forties, and obviously everybody knows because I can't keep my top on. But body dysmorphia just so common among women. It's really really disenchanting to hear how many women struggle with positive body image and have eating disorders before you entered your forties and started to love your body. We're able to

embrace your body before that. Much healthier about my body positivity now than I was when I was in my twenties, I had antraxianer vosa. You know, when you exercise exceedingly after you eat, just to burn all the calories. It's kind of like what you have right now, that's what And I had that. And I would go jogging for a minimum hour, possibly two hours every day, depending on how much I weigh that morning. I still weid myself every day, you know, because you packed me with a

scale and report back. Yeah, And I let you know because the weight could be an indicator of my mood. It could really dictate my day. Like if I was going to be in a good mood, I was this way. If I was in a bad mood, it's three pounds heavier. Really really embarrassing stuff to even have to admit, you know, and so you don't admit it. You kind of hide

it the whole time. I definitely went through a bollimic stage where I threw up for a while in my twenties, and that kind of drifted probably for the full decade of my twenties. I was just like, oh, I'll throw it up, Like you know, I had no regard for my well being, and so I finally just dawned on me that I have to actually be physically fit and strong and like I want to be, because you know, bliemia messes with your mental alacrity, like you become foggy

obviously because you're depriving yourself of all the nutrients needed. Well. So much of this is also the media's representation of women, and I think that right now there's a real course correction happening where there are active participants in media trying to represent women accurately in appropriately so they don't feel

this burden. But men also feel this way, and I don't know that's something men obviously don't speak about often amongst themselves, amongst each other, but there's definitely especially around l a you see it. It's embodied with these men who spend hours upon hours in the gym, or are so particular about their lifestyle habits, so they don't really give themselves leeway to enjoy life because they are so strict on their meal plans and their diet regimen and

their exercise program. So I think that everyone struggles with this to some degree, but women certainly get the brunt of trying to make maintain an unachievable standard yeah, and Rum, you have to, like, it is your responsibility to get yourself healthy during this time. And even though that seems like you're climbing up a massive mountain, it is so

important for you to get yourself together now. So whether that's like positive affirmations or meditating or you know, seeking counseling, Like, you have to get yourself out of this habit because it's just a rut and you are the only person who has the power to do it, and someone's not going to come along and be like you have to stop. Well, Rom's on the phone, so let's tell me that. When I was talking Hi Ram, Hi, Rom, you look like a Disney princess. Yeah, you're adorable. Oh my gosh, wow,

thank you. Yeah. Did you get to hear anything of what I just said. No, we were just talking about how common this is. First of all, right, everyone deals with this. Like I was just talking about my personal history of eating disorders. When I was in my twenties, I was very unhealthy, you know, I was believing I had exercise in your vote. So I had a bunch of all this stuff and my friends and I would do it together. My friends and I would like throw

up together. I remember in my twenties, like I had girlfriends who we were all believing together, like it was our drill, and he was talking about male feelings having the same feelings. How you know, prevalent is in the gay world, so it's not unique at all. And you are you are completely responsible for pulling yourself out of this. You know, you have to change the narrative. And it's

so easy to make the change. I've done it, and it seems like it's so much harder than it is, Like it is so easy to pull yourself up, because once you start to pull yourself up, like everything starts to work out for you, and it's easier to get away from bad habits. Yeah, it's I mean, one of the things that makes it so incredibly difficult in in the United States at least, is it's so much of eating disordered behavior is seen as normal or or it's

like glamorized or encouraged. I mean, I was shocked when I received my diagnosis last October because I didn't think anything of my symptoms. And like you said, I've got girlfriends who restrict and we talk about restricting or you know, eating disorder behaviors and it's no one thinks twice about it. Well, I think there's a movement happening towards healthy living that people often confuse with dieting, where those are not mutually exclusive.

You can be someone who eats really clean but has you know, a terrible drinking problem, which obviously affects the quality of health in your life. Why are you staring at me when you say something like that, Well, you're just here. I mean, what is it? So your restriction

you restrict yourself from food? Is that? Yeah? Okay? For days, just very minimal, Like I would go to cross fit, come home and have broth for dinner, right right, So it was just like I would just see how little I could do basically for as long as I could, or the bare minimum. But doesn't it make you think when you know it affects your mental like crispness and clarity,

how does that make you feel? So I'm in recovery, and that's one of the things I do try and continue to tell myself, like, you don't want to go back to that melancholic state where everything just has this gray haze and you're miserable and anxious, and and you know that's what I try to hold onto. What makes it so difficult is I look in the mirror and I'm just so disappointed with what I see. And there are days where I look in the mirror and I

hate what I see. And that's what is so hard to shake so often, And I'm just part of why I sent the emails because I'm feel like at times I'm grasping at straws with myself. Well, you have to grasp a little harder at the good straws. You're a beautiful young girl. You have your whole life ahead of you, So this is not going to be your story that you had a needing disorder. This isn't going to be your story, and that's why you have to get rid

of it and start your story. You know, this is just a little fraction of your life, and it's not as big as you think it is. It's just being treated like it's the biggest thing in the world. It's just a little passage of time, and you're up to make that passage of time as sure as possible. It's up to you. Yeah, can I ask you this? So far, I've not told anyone about this diagnosis, like none of my friends, because I just I don't even know how to approach it myself, much less trying to involve my

loved ones. None of my family knows. Only my boyfriend knows. That's it. What are your thoughts on me sharing this with more people, or at least people in my inner circle? What would be your reason for sharing it with everyone? I guess emotional support if I'm having a bad day, or someone to fall back on, or you know, advice. See.

I think that this is something that you should confide in your circle with even people that you may not necessarily be close to it because the more you normalize it for other women or men going through it and can have that conversation and have people holding you accountable and explain that this is a process and so some days you may fall short, some days you may have a more positive outlook. It's just going to make that experience fee. Will you have people behind you who are

willing to go through this experience with you? Yeah? Yeah, But the most important narrative again is the one you're telling yourself, like it really isn't about other people. It's good to have other people, yes, but that should not be your crutch. You're your crutch and you're going to get yourself out of this, and your diagnosis does not define you. It's a diagnosis for a period of time in your life. That's not the way it has to be. Yeah, yeah,

all right, we'll keep us posted. Okay, okay, great, Thank you so much for having me on. Please take being our patient seriously and take my advice. I will. I mean, another reason I reached out is how frank you are, and I mean I love that you post pictures of yourself naked, and I'm like, that's what I want. That could be you too. I want to post my tits online too. Well. One day girl, one day, one day. Well,

thanks rom, Okay, thanks to Rob. Yeah, thank you guys so much for wrong I mean, I'm not trying to diminish anyone's eating disorders, but they seem to have changed since I was growing up, because calorie restriction is now a thing, like yes, like I'm in a calorie deficit. Yeah, okay, sweetheart, we all know what's going on through your body. You're going through the change. I'm trying to go through a change. One of them would going through the change because I

am sick and tired of getting my period. I would love for you to go through the change so we could finally regulate the fucking temperature in the house. Can you imagine what a contact would be going through menopause or maybe I'm scared of me, but there'd be a light at the end of the tunnel. It's like the vaccine, Like I'd know that something good was going to be in death, the light being death, the light at the

end of the tunnel being my demise. I I don't like to think of your demise because then I really like to think about what that means for me. I'm not ready for that. I'm getting hungry, sweetheart. Okay, well, let's get through at least. What I was going to say is so calori restriction, Yes, you're in a calorie deficit.

So calorie restriction, like eating disorders, have to be handled with much more attention than they were in my time, because in my time, you couldn't, like, you know, nobody cared that you had a needing disorder because everyone did. And now it's like, oh, we see the damage it does to you throughout your life. So now it's like people aren't doing things is damaging, but it's still damaging.

I also think that there was a time where fat diets were so prevalent that everyone was switching their diets so regularly that no one thought of anything. Is putting on ten pounds every diet causing you to gain weight instead of lose weight. Eating disorders are like a diamond, doesn't I'm actually, you know, when I meet somebody who hasn't had experience, is it shocking for you with an eating disorder? I'm just like, oh wow, So lucky girls problems are they eat too much when they get high

and they have trouble going to the bathroom. You gave this advice and your special but you might as well give it again now for any woman who can't go to the restaurant. Magnesium O three by Aerobic Life. They're over the counter and their magnesium and calcium, so they help you sleep and they help you go to the bathroom every day. And if you get into the habit of taking them, you will never have a problem again.

That's two problems solved, sleep and pooping. Everyone comes back and say's like, thank you so much for that, because you don't want to be taking laxatives and stuff like that. Now you want to be careful with your but I know, well, of course you know, but I don't have that as much experience with my own you know what I mean, I don't know it. I need to know more. No one needs to know more. What they need to know you just told them. And that's Maco seven. I've taken it. God, wait,

fucking sucks. Oh your diet sucks around. We feel for you. Okay, So our next mission is a rite in under the pseudonym the Gluttonists. Well, this is right up my the gluttonist. The Gluttonist writes, Dear Chelsea, I'm a binge eater. I eat until I feel sick, but I won't purge. I just get depressed. Well this is right on topic. Seriously, I just get depressed and lie around until I eventually starved myself for the day, until I feel like I

deserve to eat food again. I've been living the cycle for twenty years, and I've gone from a healthy weight to an unhealthy wait countless times. I can't maintain healthy eating habits to save my life. I'm a single mom and a partnered relationship and hide my binge eating from everyone. Ever since the lockdown and pandemic, I haven't been able to control myself. Things have gotten out of hand and

I've gained fifty pounds. I want to have another child, get married, and love my body, but my mind controls my hand and mouth. Save me, give me the ross form of Chelsea Handler advice. Save me from myself, Sincerely, the glutton Nest. We both actually have this issue. Yeah, totally. I have a total lack of control over myself until well then, but that's not true because then I also

have a good willpower when I want it. So but I think that that's kind of what she's saying as well, that she doesn't have healthy habits, but it's been a cycle. I think. First of all, for someone like that, I think they need to eat on a timer to get themselves re habituated to something else. Like what you do

you eat every three to four hours. I also ideally eat every three to four hours, but I think you should because that's really when your blood sugar stabilizes, like if you eat healthfully, like if you have say four ounces of a protein and like you know, a tablespoon of peanut butter or an ounce of avocado or tablespoon of salad dressing, and then you have some berries or

you have some vegetables. If you eat like that and are really healthy, and you are like very controlled and eat every three to four hours, which is our nutritionist Mark's plan. Essentially, I think it gets you on a program. It's like you don't have to think about doing that for life. It's how you think about getting yourself out of this rut. And the number one reminder I would say to use is your child. Every time you go to the fridge before that timer's up, just set your

time around your phone like I do. And just any time you're about to break or do anything, just remember that you have a daughter that you need to be healthy for, or a son. I don't know if you have a daughter son. She didn't mention that. She just said she was a single mom. Right, Okay, so maybe you have more kids, which is better because the more you care. But I think you really need to get yourself out of this habit. Brandon, what do you think?

This is exactly That's exactly what I was gonna say. Because my relationship to food, my life revolved around it. If I was sad, food was there. If I was happy, food was there. It was because I didn't my family didn't grow up with a lot of money. It was kind of the one thing everyone had to give to show affection or it was based on every interaction. So doing Mark's plan, which the way Chelsea describes it, it seems like, oh, that seems like a lot of work.

It's a macro plan, so you have a certain amount of protein fat in the carb at every meal. It's very balanced and you never get that afternoon sync where you feel tired. So it just kind of maintains healthy levels in your body. And you can find out online. You do a macro calculator, so you know, but the timer holds you accountable. So you're getting back into this. Now, what's this thing called Venice Nutrition nutrition, So go to

venice nutrition dot com. You don't have to sign up necessarily, but just get a look at what his whole philosophy is. Because it works. I've done it, Brandon's been doing it. He feels incredible. You get a ton of energy, you get your self respect back because you're in control of the situation, and it seems like right now you're out of control. So you just want to use this as a tool to get yourself on the straight and narrow, because you do not want to be hiding binging, and

you don't want to be doing that. That's not being strong for your kids or for yourself really, So go to Venice nutrition dot com, do a little research and just you are in control of this. This is something that relationship to food, what you eat and how often you eat, you can control. It seems impossible sometimes because everyone has a craving and we all go off. It's not going to be of the time that you're going to be in control, but you can always get yourself

back to that point. And also if you can find a well respected hypnotist in your area, because I went to carry a gainer in l A for smoking and that worked, and everyone's like, it's never gonna work on you, it's never gonna work, and it worked. I've never smoked a cigarette since I met him. Well, and we've sent countless people to carry gainer and they have and they've all quit smoking. So typically people who can hypnotize you to quit smoking can hypnotize you for eating disorders, for

fear of flying. So if there is somebody in your area and you're not in l A, if you are an l A carry gainer, and then the other thing is yes, go to Venice nutrition dot com and check it out. Start saying the sentence you don't have an eating disorder. You had an eating disorder period. It's in the past, so turn your future into what you want. A great advice, I would like to know the glutton. If there's a change, keep us posted. But it's hard because you just have to like say no to yourself.

So now that I've been doing this, and I did it for four weeks very strict, I did not deviate from the plane at all. There was no sugar. In the beginning, it seems like you're never going to get controller, you're never going to be okay with having limited options or having a limited amount of something. But then you realize how off track you had gotten with food that like everything, and especially in America, the portions are huge.

Everything is very seasoned with salt, Like we're just conditioned to eat a certain way, and we're also conditioned to eat all the time when it's so unnecessary to take in so much food and things become so much more of a treat. So like I got this. It's from a company called Skinny Bitch. They do that color flower pizza and that's been like if I want something I feel like is bad but still relatively good and it's delicious, so I don't feel like I'm sacrificing anything. Now you

should save your sacrifices for margaritas. Anyway. Well that's what I try and do, knowing that Monday, Wednesday and Friday we've been going from Margharita's and a roller blo I know, but we have to change that schedule up a little bit. We didn't go rollerblading every day last week, now we didn't. We went one day. I think we go rolling on Mondays? Is that the days I think? I think we need to switch that up to Friday, because I think that's a great way to wrap up. I think you're right

about that as usual. Okay, we've been talking about Mark for the last ten minutes, so let's just get him on the phone. Oh, here we go, Jesus, I love you Mark. How happy are you that we have come full circle? So Brandon went on your program. I start every day thinking I'm going to do the program, and then every day, you know, like I can't wait three to four hours for my next meal because I was getting stoned a lot. So I was eating a lot and then I was like, okay, this is a vicious cycle.

And then finally I came home from Whistler and Brandon was on your program, had lost all this body fat, lost all this weight. And I was like, oh my god, I've got to do it, and I've been doing it, and honestly, just like that, my body leaned out, just like that, like five days, five days, I'm ripped. You are like, you look amazing always, you never age and you get sexier every single day. Well, I appreciate that kind of endorsement. Mark. Do you see Brandon's body? Brandon,

did you show Chelsea your abs? Like bending over? He said, He's listen, you're turning him. This is the problem. Mark. Mark has been my nutritionist for like, I don't know, almost twenty twenty years forever. I met you when I was twenty seven, so yeah, almost twenty years. Anyway. I went to him because I had never had abs, right kind of like yeah, and I had never been you know, remember,

I had real issues. When I came to you, Mark, I was like, you know, so obsessed with my weight and so obsessed with my body, and you put me on a program of healthy eating every three to four hours. You know, protein, fat, and carbs in a healthy way. And I felt incredible. After two weeks, I had just dropped like three or four percent body fat. And the key is to really not ever over eat and always eat when you're hungry, right, so you're never starving your

body and you're never storing fat. And then you got me ready for a couple of bikini covers I had to do. And I always try and stay on the diet, but you know, sometimes it's it's not even a diet really, it's a lifestyle. Yes, it is retraining the way you think about food, your interaction with food, how you view food as a necessity or a fuel. It can still be a luxury, can still be something that you enjoy, but it doesn't need to be at this maximized. You

don't have to be obsessed with food. Brandon, you make me so proud man, Like you're like just rocking it. And Chelsea, I still remember when we first met. I called you, you know, when I was in Valencia, California, and I'm on the phone with you, and that was just you know, you you inspire me because you take action, You love your health, you understand the importance of your health.

You challenge me, you yell at me in a van way, and we have so much fun together because you understood food and then how to take your body to another another way and how to make it a way of life. We talked about how busy you are and how hard it is to eat when you're on the go. But you to me when you got ready for the shape cover. As you continue to live, as every year passes, you just understand your food and what I love about choose

once you know it. You can choose to not do it for a moment, but you always come back to it, and that's inspiring. Yeah. And my my first question when I went to him was like, I don't want to give up alcohol. What can we do? And he said, okay, you have to just have one drink a week for the next you know, few weeks, and then we can reintroduce the alcohol at a much more you know, reasonable level, everything in moderation. Yeah. Well, sometimes this day we still

have the Chelsea salmon, asparagus and vodka. That is the meal for everybody right there. That was the Chelsea favorite. Anyway, right, are you standing up? I need you to set the funk down because your energy is already jumping through the screen. You know how he is. He's like this all of the time. He will hug you when you see him, whether you want to be hugged or not, and he'll hold on tight. He is maximum energy at all times. I am standing, by the way, Yeah, of course you're standing. Listen.

You burned three times more calorie standing rather than sitting. So I'm being smart with my with the time I have. Okay, yeah, copy that. I want to talk to you a little bit about Brandon because Brandon is getting very body obsessive. And the other day he said that he shaved his stomach to show you his apps because he's worried that his bottom two abs are not popping, which I had never heard that term before. And I said, you're going to get into a situation where you're as obsessed as

I was about your body. And so I wanted to talk to you about that, because how do you not become you know, when you start manipulating your weight and your body and you see, you know how lean you can get and how much energy is derived from being healthy about your diet, you can get a sessive Yeah, I mean I think with Brandon The real challenge that he's had, and and I've known Brandon for years, is that he's always been fitting healthy, but he's never been

able to take his body to another level. And that frustration, I think is worse than the obsession of taking it to a level. So he's been searching and searching and trying and starving. And what he's done in the past is you starve yourself, you cut your calories, you cut your carbs. His fate leans out. You look like a skeleton. And then he still didn't have the abs. So when he reached out to me, is awesome because I just said, listen,

you can achieve. You'll get your a pack. It's gonna be a process, but we're gonna do it in a way that it's gonna become a forever way of life. And that's what we had to run As he's going on a trip. The whole thing was how do we help him get ready. How does he see those abs as he's got a leaner as he's understand food, as he the leaner he gets the more he eats with diets, the leaner you get, the less you eat. So now we have his top four coming in when he lays down,

he gets his top. He has all six and that was lady to see his bottom two. So he's almost got the eight pack. And now we're focusing on building a little bore, more muscle in his abdominal region, so it pops even more. But I think what Brandon seeing is that he's loving his exercise. His energy is great.

He's a little obsessive because he has a goal, but once he achieves that goal, we move it into a lifestyle for him and Levi, so they make this a permanent part of life, not something you do for a moment. And Levi is my partner and he is doing this regiment too. I do just feel like, out of everything I've ever tried, and I've tried a lot of ship, I just feel like this is something I can stick with forever. What's nice is you know you can still

go out to eat and have things. It's about the balance of that meal, so I don't feel like I'm out anything. And again, I just feel like I had such an unhealthy relationship with food that this forced me to reflect on how much I was eating, why I was eating it. Because you also realize that you go through your day grazing on things like I'm not even hungry,

I'm just born shying my mental space. And so now when it has be more thoughtful, you get a lot more out of your meals, not just you know, nutrition wise, but mentally right. Like look at I brought my lunch today, Mark. I have my turkey and my avocado and my mustard for my snack. I forgot a fruit, but whatever. The one thing I did learn from you, well not the one.

I've learned many things from you. One thing that I always take away is I never eat fruit by itself anymore because I know then you're just hungry again an hour later. So you have to combine that with a fat or a protein at the very least. Always have a fat, right, because it takes the fat to burn the fat. So it's all about blood sugar, so that eating healthy is different than eating balance. So fruit by itself will break down, spike your blood sugar, make your

store fat, get you hungry an hour later. Protein and carbs balance each other. Fat slows down digestion, and I love it. I love what you're doing, Chelsea, because you can. For the last twenty years you just consistently go back to and I think that's when we talk about Brandon. He was unhappy with his body. Now he might fall off plan, but what he's doing he has a knowledge now, so he knows what to do. So the pressure is off. Just like you, you come back, you say, Okay, Brandon

is inspiring. I'm gonna get back on plan. It's not something that's torturous. Is not something you have to suffer. You can eat the food you love. You just eat smarter and work out smarter, and then you control the success you want with your body. Can we talk a little bit about intermittent fasting, because obviously that's the trend right now. People love to intermittent fast I hear that all the time. I've done it, and you know, so let's hear your thoughts on that. Yeah. I think there's

three main philosophies. Now you have keto, intermin fasting, and blood sugar, which is what we teach about not using food to lose weight, but food to create balance. There's three questions I would always ask. Number one, is it based on the science of your body? Number two, can you do it for the rest of your life? And number three, which but a kid or teenager on it? Intermut and fasting is designed because when you turned thirty, every decade thirty tot you lose five percent in your

muscle mass. So intermin fasting was designed as a way where people wanted to still eat foods they love, but doing not to not have the scale increase. That doesn't mean you're progressing. You're still regressing. So you don't eat till noon, you can't eat pass eight and you'll lose weight. But is that something you want to do for the rest of your life. Is that something that's gonna let you live the way you should to reprogram your metabolism. No,

it won't. It will be something to maintain and slow down your regression. Keto is the same way you cut out your carbs, you eat protein and fat. Yeah, you force your body to burn fat, but you burn some muscle. No one wants to live keto without cars for the rest of their life. So you have to ask yourself, this is something you want forever? I F works, low car works, low calorie works. The question is is this

something that you prepare to do forever. Most people do it, they go back to their lifestyle and they regain everything. If you implement just understanding how to eat the food you love in the right balance. You'll release your stored fat, build muscle, and it's something that you can do for the rest of your life and actually reverse the aging challenges and increase your metabolism. But aren't there a lot

of health benefits to fast though? Yeah? I mean my take is if you eat clean food and you move, that's your greatest health benefit. And we just have to keep thinking of how we were fed when we were born. Baby's feet every three hours, they have breast milk or formula, which is the same in the sense of that it's balanced of protein, fact carbs. Baby stop eating when there says so I, they eat again when they're hungry the first year of life. That's physiology. That's how we fuel

our body. We stop eating that way because a lifestyle, not because of our body's needs, and your body is the best adapter, so adjust. I think fasting in periods can totally be healthy. But if you eat clean food, less salt, no nitrates, and you eat clean and you drink water and you move your body, you're cleansing your body every single day. And then when you want to bring low alcohol in or you want to have an off plane, they'll go for it. Just get back on plan.

That's the keyest success. Yeah, And I like your philosophy to is that when you do have a cheat meal or you do go off plan, that the whole day isn't gone. You don't. That doesn't mean you just get to have McDonald's for the rest of the day. For every meal that you go back to your plan, but the next meal you go back to the plan. Like if you're hungover, of course you're gonna want French fries and something greasy, So once in a while that's okay, but the next meal you have to get back on plan.

But this also goes back to once you're on the plan for x amount of time, like I was on it for almost eight weeks before I deviated at all. When you're eating such excess or things that are not good for you and have such high salt content or just their over flavored, you become desensitized to it. You think everything should taste that way, and so you don't

even really enjoy it. At a certain point, you also realize how much we eat that is unnecessary, like the excess right which we eat, you know in which portions are served and when you realize, like, oh, if I do Marx plan and I have you know, a scoop of peanut butter as my fat or a tablespoon of dressing, you're like, holy shit, what am I eating in a restaurant when they're dressing your salad and putting tons of fat in it? Last night for dinner when I was

weighing everything out. And this is also the thing is I think it can be overwhelming for people when they do start to search for a plan that's going to work for them or a lifestyle that they can really commit to. You can start to ballpark things. Once you get through it for a few weeks, you just know like, oh, all these white meats are interchangeable, so it doesn't feel like you have to think as much about it. Yeah, people don't want to weigh their food. That's definitely like

a barrier, so but you can gauge it. Like so now I've gotten pretty good at knowing how many handfuls or ballparking where that's going to be, and it's always about right. But when I was looking at the meal last night, I thought, oh my god, Like, you know, three months ago, I would have thought that this was a starvation diet. I was looking at it, but that's it's not we just overeat consistently. I also think with Brandon, he wants an elite body, so it's Chelsea. It's like

when you got ready for the coverage shape. There's there's a certain level you commit to. But the reality is this for women, a palmer protein, aphistic car but thumb a fact. You don't have to weigh your food. It's about just understanding PFC protein fact, carbohydrates a third or third or third on your plate. Keep it simple, eat every three hours and your body is starting to win. And I think a lot of times with food, it's

the emotional attachment. I'm forty eight, almost forty nine, and I was grew up focusing on you know, if you're a bad day, you eat, a good day, you eat, And a lot of times this is emotional attachment to food. When you balance your blood sugar and you eat this way, you take away the psychological craving, the physiological craving, meaning that you don't crave the food. You still might want it, but you don't have the physical need for it. So

it gives you back control. And I think that's what we all want to understand how to live our best health, feel our best, and not feel like we have to suffer and be be attacked by food. We can decide when we want to eat it and how we want to eat it well. So that's a great lead into

one of our submissions that we had. It was for a woman who classifies herself as a gluttonous that she goes through these phases where she'll really focus on eating right and staying healthy, and then she will binge basically until she's sick. And she'll do this for prolonged amounts of times, so not just one day. So for someone who feels like they really cannot regain long term m control of their eating habits, and something like this plan sounds like a great idea, but they wouldn't even know

the entry point. What would you recommend to someone like this? Yeah,

so it comes back down, you know, one percent. I've told the story when I was seven years old, I couldn't speak and I couldn't form words, and I was going to be held back going in a second grade and my dad came home and my mom and it was like I was devastating because no one could understand what I would say, I thought I was speaking the words with no one to understand it, and my dad went to my room and put a big one percent in my room and said, listen, you're gonna have tough days,

you're gonna want to quit, but you can learn how to speak one percent at a time. And for four years I worked on my speech, focused on it, and then I got there, and now I speak all around the world. I'm able to do this podcast with you all these things, but it's the one percent that went with me. I think your health is starting where you are, and you have to think about the one percent. If you can maybe walk five more minutes, if you can sleep three more minutes, if you can get one shaking

and or one balanced meal, you're getting there. For that exact analogy, a lot of times people overeat because they starve. They start, they starve and physically they need to fuel and then they go. But if we can just start her at just balance meals, the physical need, the physical crazies won't be there anymore. She'll feel better week after week, and then those big binges they'll start to dissipate. They

won't be there as much. So I think the first step is let's start balancing her looking just at protein facts and carbohydrates. Start with your breakfast, start with your snacks, start with your lunch, and by doing those mid morning mid afternoon, you won't create that lunch and dinner that amount and not starve yourself so that you get a result, and then you want to then overeat. If she's interested in your program, can you tell her where she should

go and what she should do. Yeah. So the first you know, Chelsea Handler one of the greatest women in the world, people in the world, best honor evers. She wrote the forward for our book Body Confidence. So that's a great book that really teaches your companies. Venish Nutrition veneis nutrition dot com. But a great read to understand

about nutrition is starting with body confidence. Body confidence. And then yeah, when it sounds like overwhelming to plan your meals like this, it's actually a it's empowering because after the second day of doing it, you're like, Okay, I've got the system down now, I know you know, the

cravings disappear very quickly. So if you have somebody that is listening, that is gluttonous, that is interested in this, like I really would beg you, you can even just join Vennice Nutrition or go on and take a look at it, and you don't have to make any major commitment, but I urge you to take four or five days and really be serious about it and see how different you feel at the end of four or five days,

because you feel like you're in control again. And that's a good place to be when you're talking about food and you're talking about people who you know overdo it well. And I would just like to say to both of you that there are certain aspects of your beginning of this change in your relationship with food that seems like you're never going to get there. And so I think, you know, with my body specifically, Chelsea and I had to have a conversation and the other day where she

was really honest. She's like, I think you're taking it too far, Like it's honestly a little alarming, Like I'm working out in a trash bag under a sweats Yeah, this is like yeah, yeah, So Mark will encourage this behavior though that's your fault. Mark. He came over first. He changed into a plastic bag he put over his body, which I've done. Also, just for the record, let the

record state I have had a sweatsuit. I used to go with my sauna and just but that was when I was you know, it was unreachable goals because I was just overcompensating for bad behavior and bad eating and bad drinking. So it was never going to even out. But I definitely had one of those black sweatsuits that makes you sweat extra. So he put the trash bag on and then put what looked like a scuba suit over it. Well it was a neoprene sweatsuit. Yeah, yeah,

a neoprene sweatsuit. And then he was on the treadmill and It's texted me and said there was a puddle. Were you at my house or at the gym. I was at the gym at the gym and he said there's a puddle at the bottom of the treadmill. And I was like, yeah, of course, I asked, yeah. Right. Well, so anyway, after that time, it is about working hard

and it's about feeling good. And I feel so good right now that yes, I want to look a certain way, but I also don't want to feel tired or weak all the time, and so I feel like I'm getting stronger. But in that moment, so Chelsea, we're we're marking back and forth sending video messages, and she basically said, Hey, what you're doing is great, and like, I understand it. I've been there. But in those moments, you also need

to practice. As much as you're practicing self control, you need to practice patients because it's not going to come overnight. So all these extreme things that you're doing is not necessarily going to change you tomorrow. Like it's a process. And so with what you were just speaking about, mark the one percent. That's why I don't weigh myself every day because I was doing that in the beginning. It will make you mad looking at it because it's fluctuating.

So now I will weigh on Friday, just as kind of a checkpoint of where I'm at, knowing that if I'm down anything anywhere, or even maintaining that I'm doing

the right work. Yeah, and and also a scale does not define your success, so I think everyone listening, when you start your health, you have to look at your intern external how's your energy, how's your appetite, what's your inch measurements, take some pictures of yourself because your weight can vary for multiple reasons, stress, lack of sleep, your cycle. I'm on my cycle right now. And remember when you

would text me that the weight would be up. I can't believe you even tolerated in my behavior when I was that crazy. I mean, I know, and he loved it. He'd like, no problem, Chelsea, love you so much, It's okay. I'd like, I found cellulate on my arm, now what? But I love that? By the way, But just everyone listening to make sure you know you don't have to wear trash bags or scuba suits like Brandon. You don't.

That is extreme. I don't have something that's not necessarily related to diet, but it's just about your attitude and outlook on things. How do you maintain I'm in a bad mood today, Mark, So how do you maintain such

authentic positivity? Because people you you can't see him, but he's not stop smiling the entire time, and he genuinely is like this like he me for about six hours where he's like, love you, and I know that, and I know that he and I know that he meant it, which is as strange as that seems like, there is just something about him that is authentic to his core.

He is a positive person and for other people because we also have a lot of people writing and saying like, I can't get myself out of this mood, I can't pull myself out of my funk. And I don't know that they're mutually exclusive, but there does seem to be some sort of connection in the lifestyle you're living and your positivity. I mean, for me, it started with my mom.

My mom is just since I was a bait. I mean, she just loves life and she would always tell me that and just always instill that in me, and then it just was part of me. And I just believe in people. I love people. I've had an amazing life and at the end of the day, I believe in people. I believe in the greatness of what we can be. And I think as I was always you know, when I was seven, I said I couldn't speak. I had asthma, so I couldn't play sports. I've always just I've always

felt like an underdog. So I've always wanted to empower people that regardless of where you are in life, regardless of your circle stance, you can always reach for your greatness. It's never too late. You just gotta start one percent at a time. And if you cast that vision. You can achieve it, and so many people are struggling with their health, with all of the challenge that have with COVID, with where we are the society. It's just you gotta start.

You gotta make a decision. You don't have to starve yourself. You don't have to cut stuff. You can love your food, you can love your body, whatever type of body you have. Find that space you want to be and cast that vision and go for it. I don't know that there's a better place to wrap up than that. Um No. I just would like to close this with a story about Mark flew out to my house in l A a couple of years ago because I was like, I've gotten off the rails. You've got to come out here

and help me. And he came out for like a week, and I was scared because you know, of his energy level. I'm like, funk, what's he gonna make me? Do? You know he's gonna train me and get me back on my program sprint probably, yeah, he loves sand sprints. And then by the way they fucking work, you know, do

a sand spread. You probably wanted to work out again for the rest of the week, But I warned everybody at the house, who was working at the house and who had it met him before, Like, you will get assaulted by this hug, Like there's no way around it. He's coming in hot and he will not take no for an answer, and uh everyone, And I remember Tanner's Tanner goes, I can't believe that you're okay with that, and I was like, I actually don't know that you're right.

I can't believe it either. I've never thought about how I've been tolerating marks enthusiasm. But it's infectious, and you know he's really he means it. I mean it's a lot and it works well. We I need you too, and your heart and just this is a Chelsea story. I've known a lot of people in this world. Her heart for the people she loves and the people in

for everybody is one of the most special things. And I just want the world to know how special you are, Chelsea, how you give, how you want to make a difference, and you inspire me, and that goes right to Brandon. So it's an honor to call you a friend. You're both our family to me and as you know, I'm always here for you or fly to l a anytime. You come to the the Lanta anytime, and I'll clip you body fatu. Together we change the health of the world.

Sounds good. Say hi to Abbey and the kids. Give him a big massive hug, a big massive us. Mark, you take care of that. By Brandon, it's like your new boyfriend. Listen, how lucky's appy? I know how lucky she is? Or is he just driving her fucking crazy? You know, like, because if you were living with somebody that was in that good of a mood all the time. No, I'm hope it's contagious. I would hope that it really would force you to feel happiness. Yeah, yeah, I guess

it would. His son Hunter, he has a son and a daughter, and his son hunters older and just like he's just like Mark. He they came to one of your shows. I don't remember which, but I remember probably Atlanta because he lives in Atlanta. Now I remember, Oh no, it was Nashville. I think, oh really, yeah, I think it's Nashural because they showed up by Atlanta. It's not far and his son, who had never met me, immediately walked up and hugged me, knew me by name, like

that is just I know his son is really incredible. Actually, you're just like, oh my god, there's a mini mark coming at me. Okay, it sounds like we're going to take a break for a commercial and we'll be right back. Are you what's happening with your mood, Brandon? How are you feeling now? Brandon had a really rough It's been a bad few days and I don't like that headspace.

And I had to tell sweetheart on the way here that I'm really annoyed today and I don't want to be annoyed, and I keep trying to pull myself out of it, and that makes me more fucking annoyed. I know. But you can't shame yourself for being in a bad mood. It's annoying to break your phone, it's annoying to have a burglary. All those things are stressful, So don't beat yourself up for being in a bad mood. Just let it rip. Just being a bad mood. Well, you know what,

I have accepted this point. I'm acknowledging it, accepting it. I'm just gonna try and move on because that's all we can do. Like, I don't want to sit in it for too long. I did for a bit today, and it's just been a whirlwind. I it has been a Whirldwarde's it has. Yeah, you're going to get out of that neighborhood. You're gonna put your house on the market, which you're gonna do anyway, and you're gonna move somewhere else.

Because Sweetheart even generously offered to buy a house big enough for myself, my partner, and four cats to live in. She didn't know about the four. I forgot about the cats. That yeah, I forgot about the whole cat situation. I don't know how Bernie and Burt would react to the cats. I'd love to see what we could. Just put Burt and Bernie's down at some point, because those two aren't

really bringing anything longspect, I don't say such things. They get up in the morning when they know my bell's coming, they fucking run around. It's like they're two different dogs. They're really energized. As soon as she leaves, they're on the floor. Burt is depressed for the rest of the day. It's it, it's like lights out. I'm excuse me, this is our only time for you to pay attention to me because she's gone, and so she leaves and then he goes to bed. It's like lights out days over.

They're probably just on a very bizarre sleep schedule. They don't know, they don't know what time of data is there, what they should be doing. They're just like, Oh, it looks like it's bedtime for her, we'll just pass out. I had a long day yesterday and I came home and got right into my poor Lafem pajamas from my company, from my friend Robin Wright. Best pajamas. I never used to wear pajamas until I got these. They're amazing. And yeah,

I got into bed. I had friends in town, and I had social events every night for the last five days. So yeah, last night, I've not seen you in such a condition in a while. You heart walked into my room and I said, I can't. I just can't do anything. I said, can you just cancel my day? And he said no, Alison will kill me, my manager, And I said, okay, just asking. I was asking for a friend if it was cancelable. And what did I do? You said no? And what else? You said? You need to eat something.

I'm gonna go get you McDonald's and you did. You got me sausage, emancmuffin, which is my hangover food, and a hash brown, and I actually ate two sausage eckmancmuffins. I'm not proud to admit that, especially since we just got off the phone with the Mark, but I did feel better. I was slightly nauseous, and I just powered through. You know, I am good like that. I will fulfill my responsibilities. Nothing keeps you down. You were able to

work out at eight am. Have you guys heard about this lightning fit workout where they strap everything up to your body and you're connected to these electrodes. It's like an electrode suit and it stimulates your muscle, so it contracts your muscles at an alarming rate. So the workout itself is ten to fifteen minutes long, which is exactly the duration I'm interested in working out. And I'm super sore,

like my buttchees fire. Yeah, my lower ab well that could be for a couple of reasons, but my lower abs are super, super sore. So that is a great workout to complement my workouts with Ben Bruno. To supplement your workouts with Ben Bruno. He was like five days a week for a while, and I didn't know if you were going to make it through, the homicide rate

at your house was going to go up. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's better that I see Ben like four times max per week, no more than that, and then that's when things start to get a little bit dice. Do you feel like your body responds best when you are incorporating other workouts because you do plot ease. Now, maybe we're going to introduce this lightning fit. Do you like doing

those different Yeah, I'd like to change it up. My body has been responsive to like all the stuff I'm doing because of those peptides I'm on, you know, I'm on these peptides that like kind of help your body a shed fat and they keep you thin, you know, they kind of keep you thin and fit. So as soon as I manipulate my body in any way with diet or exercise, I get results right away, which didn't used to be the case. So a lot of people talk about being in their forties and hating what's happening

to their body. But I have to tell you, like I'm having the opposite experience because well, because of these peptides. Well, because you found doctor dominic freed and read and you inject yourself twice a day, right, yes, in the morning and at night. Her office is pretty full. I've referred like three or four more people and they're like, we don't they can't get in. I would love, I want anything to preserve myself. I know, it's basically like you're

being embalmed. I know, I know, sweetheart. So for people out there who you know, can't afford a personal trainer, or can't afford to go to an anti aging doctor or any of that stuff, which is pretty much most people, Mark's program is a great way for you to start to see differences in your body and to get really healthy about the food you're putting in and to eat clean. I remember when he was telling me about like dried almonds.

I was like, dried ah Man's gross. Like there are so many things that I had no appreciation for because I had never tried them before. Really like, I'm not going to eat a handful of almonds as a snack. But once you do try those things, you realize what you're putting into your body is clean food, and the clean food is so much healthier than anything you'll ever get from a restaurant or well where else would you get food. I guess, well, but to your point, they

all work together. So the diet, the food, your skin, all those things. So if you're putting the right things into your body, maybe you're not going to need to see an anti aging doctor because you're kind of doing the right thing already. Like all those things help, right, And so go to vendus nutrition dot com if you're interested, and just look at the meal plan, ounces and stuff, and you'll get a good idea of what what it is. And it's not a diet. It is a lifestyle. You

keep saying that, and it's true. It is a lifestyle. It's just changing the way you look at food. And it's totally sustainable, you know. I mean, I'm doing it. I don't cook. I mean I have like five different meals,

but like I just packed four ounces of turkey. I waited out on the scale and put in like an ounce of avocado and mustard, and I have my lunch and I should have had some blueberries or an apple, but I forgot that part can So yeah, I'm sure there's an apple tree somewhere I can just grab one off of. But it is sustainable, so it is a program that works long term. So Brandon needs to move out of his neighborhood. Right, you need to find a place. You need a place for you, your partner, and I

forgot about those forecasts. I'm probably just gonna go see if the animal shelter has a room for us, because it's the only place that's going to take forecasts. Are you do you have these forecats permanently or are you? Yes? I know, I know everyone listening is judging me. I judge myself on a daily basis. I also foster for a local shelter, so sometimes I can have up to like ten cats in my house. It's not great. I mean, don't you feel like Bindy the crocodile Hunter's daughter when

that happens? Kind of? I mean they're little, so they stay in like the little kennel and you bottle feed them and then once they get to eight weeks you find them homes. But it's a real situation. Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess good for you is all I can say to that, you know. I mean, I wish I could give you some more a cat encouragement, but I just don't have it in me, Like I do not have affection for cats. I don't want anything bad to happen to them, But I'm also not looking to

get one. I'll make note of that. Yeah, I don't like animals that go to the bathroom inside, even though my dogs too. I don't like animals that have like a potty that's exposed to the air that I'm breathing it, like a litter box in someone's house with ship on it. To me, that's that's a deal breaker. Well, you know what I'll tell you that is worse than that. It is seeing a fucking cat. And this is true. I've seen my friend's cat use the toilet to go to

the bathroom. Great, what's wrong with that? No, you think that that's what I thought, and then you see it happening and it's suddenly very unsettling. Well, I would like to see that actually and then decide if I'm against it or if I'm for it, because that sounds like to me like the only fucking reasonable move cats can

make at this juncture in society. They have abused their privileges for too long by shipping in a box and then hiding the ship from us with their fucking legs, kicking it away and burying it, and then so not only are we cleaning up their ship, we're digging and looking for it like an archaeologist. And I'm not interested in that. So if they're if you're telling me that cats are now evolutionarily going to use the toilet, I say amen, I'll get your cat. Then okay, Well this

has been a very enlightening episode. I mean, I feel there is a lot of body issues going around in this world that we live in, and you want to just like hit somebody with a magic wand and let them have what they want in life, you know, so that they don't even have to stress about it. But the thing about that is, even if you got what you wanted you to so decide to change the goal posts,

and you would be unhappy about something else. So embracing all of yourself is a very important active I guess practice, Well, it's never gonna end. So I think you have to get to a certain point where there is a level of acceptance and like self encouragement for improvement that's not necessarily based on any one goal, is just always being better. I think that's a healthy way to look at it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good way to look at it. I mean, oh, God,

what a day. I mean, what a day, Margarita. It's going to solve this now. Yeah, Margarita and a joint by the way, thank you very much. Okay, congratulations Shane. I hope for anyone who does want to write in they can do that at Dear Chelsea Project d E A R C h E L S E A P R O j E C T at gmail dot com. Dear Chelsea Project at gmail dot com.