I Might Be The Problem With Jenna Fischer & Angela Kinsey

that it's like an evolution from Evolution. It's my last special was Evolution, and this special is Revolution, and the next special will be Devolution. Amazing. I'm so excited to see it. Thank you. I'm so excited. It's I love it. I just I'm so happy with it. I never am able to watch myself do things. It's just very hard to watch myself. But I think I've gotten to a place in my life where I accept it and I

don't annoy the ship out of myself anymore. You know. Well, it's just I haven't seen the special, but the show is very cute. It's very sweet and charming, and I think everybody's going, well, that's what everyone thinks of when they think of me. It's cute, sweet and charming. So there you go. You hit the nail on the head once again. Exactly, very on brand, very on brand, Chelsea. It is Thanksgiving Day. Oh my goodness, Happy Thanksgiving everybody.

I am currently in San Francisco tending to my sister who had a surgical procedure for her back, and so I am playing nurse, even though I am not, you know, that great at it, although I think she's pretty impressed with my performance so far or my professionalism since I have so much experience in the medical field and caring for others. Yes, and you can prescribe her drugs, yes, exactly, and then I could take her drugs, so it works as a beautiful revolution trades. Yeah. Well, I am in

Chicago with my husband's family. We usually don't go home for Thanksgiving, but we're doing it. That we did it this year. Oh well, okay, and that's exciting. It's all going swimmingly. I bet, I bet it is going swimmy. We'll save that conversation for off the end, just because I'm aware of some of your previous trips. Yes, we have only unfortunately met my twin nephews, who are now

almost two. We've only met them once. Because of pandemic, and then every time we've been home they've had like hand, foot and mouth disease. They went from that straight into COVID and then like norovirus. Every time we're a home, foot in mouth, monkey pox, all the things. Babies, no bueno. Yeah, but now they're walking, so it's all over. Oh my god, they're not even walking it and they've had all these diseases.

I know, it's just all it's all happening. So I'm excited to spend some time with them and snuggle them and pick up something. Yeah, yeah, definitely get ready. You should wear a mask over all of your holes. You don't want to get an ear infection. If you know what I'm talking about, I don't know what I do about it. I'm excited to explore. Okay, so our guests today, we have two guests. They are co stars of the

show The Office. I guess I should say they were co stars of the show The Office and now there but there are real life bfs and they are now co hosts of the hit podcast Office Ladies and now co authors because their new book called The Office Bfs is out now. And their names are Angela Kinsey and Jenni Fisher. Hi, girls, Hi, Sorry, I've been sitting here and then I realized that my video was off. Oh did you already do the interview without us? I did

the whole thing. It was great. Okay, well let's wrap it up. Then it was a great review. Thanks. It was so great talking with you. Hi, Hi girls, girls, Hello, hello, hello, coming coming to us live from Angela's in her garage. Jenna, where are you. I am in a closet that I transformed into a podcasting space. I brought a plant in it looks you good. Bring in some oxygen. Yes, I have a hummingbird painting. So you know, really, we're just we're just sexy and it's all happening with our plans

and our words. Very sexual. That was the first thing that I was going to say. I know, we get that a lot, and your background art is very sexual as well as the person who has to worry about the sound quality. I mean, I'm so happy to hear your in small spaces with soft things like closets and you know, girls, I'm having a podcast room built in my new house, which won't be ready until so I keep coming to the studio thinking it's temporary, and I'm like, ohh any day now, and then I've just come to

the realization that I will probably never be moving. By the time that house is done, I will have sold it. That is how I feel. We were having to podcast during the pandemic, during the lockdown, when we were in our homes, and so that's when Angela and I started podcasting from our closets and I ordered the soundproofing thingies, you know, the ads for the walls, And that's sort of how this came about. And now it's great. First

of all, I love your podcast. I love that you guys decided to revisit your own show and break it apart. It's very, very entertaining, and obviously it's a huge hit, so a lot of people are loving it as well. Now you guys are really good friends in real life obviously, right, best friends, best friends. I love. We've hit the BFF. We're there. That's our status update. We're at bf uh.

We'll tell us about how that friendship evolved from working together, because a lot of times when you work on shows or productions, you know, you make good friends and then it's kind of like sleepaway camp. You go back to your real lives and then you kind of forget about those people, but you hold onto the memories. It's that's very true. That's most of the time. Yeah. I actually remember going to sleep away camp once when I was

in fourth or fifth grade. It was Hebrew sleepaway camp, so just to add that little X through a nutcluster, and and I was so excited, like it was, you know, just sleepover to like girl time, like so many girls, and they were all from my school, and none of us were really close friends. We were all in different social groups. And then we went to sleep away camp

for one weekend. It was just like a one weekend retreat, but we all bonded so much that when we got back to school, I was like, oh my god, we're like we're all in this new group. And then it just kind of petered out, and I remember feeling so disappointed as a young girl that we couldn't continue that well. You know, early in my career, I did this movie Walk Hard with John c Riley, and he kind of

took me aside midway through. He was very much a mentor to me, just a wonderful, wonderful guide with acting technique and all kinds of things. But about midway through, he just sort of very gently said to me, you know, Jenna, I don't know how to say it, but like, this isn't real life life on the set, the friends you're making, the connect and you're making here, this isn't your real life. Your real life is the other thing, not the movie.

And I was like, what do you mean. These are my very best friends and they're going to be my very best friends for ever and ever and ever were bonded for life. And it was such a wake up call because he was right, and it was a great lesson to learn too, because I think in the entertainment industry a lot of times I don't know that the friendships you're making, or the bonds you're making on a

particular artistic project. It's really good to remember that you have to really put down roots in your real life. You have to have friendships that aren't associated with the project you're working on. And I guess I'm saying all that and now I'm realizing that my very best friendship is Angela Kinsey, who I met on a set and who is now my business partner. So I don't know.

I guess, well, I think I think we have a really good balance because I just I collect people everywhere, and I want you all to go with me everywhere. And then I bug you and I texted you probably too much, and I overshare and and and I just want you all to be with me all the time. Really, so I think Jenn and I are a nice balance like that. She says when we were on set that I just I talked to you into being my friend, Like I just wouldn't stop talking to you pretty much.

You did, And I'm I'm more shy and I have a lot of social anxiety, and so to have this person that was just warm and chatty and open and never stopped talking to me, I just was like drawn to that, like moth to a flame. I was like, yes, this is great. And then you know, we went through this crazy thing together, this show becoming successful. It was both of our first regular television jobs, and so we

were able to navigate all of that together. But more than anything, we were the same kind of person, right, and like we were target on the weekends and going to do like what do you call those where you like paint a picture and drink wine like we wine and Kivas night night. We were for it. Give me sign me up for sip and stitch. We're gonna do one. I mean, I just yeah, no. We we both sort of had the same life experience in a way, like

our our families and how we grew up. And even though we you know, I grew up all over and some of the locations weren't the same, sort of the heart of how we related to the world was the same. And how we processed the show taking off and how that changed our lives. But one of the things I'm so proud of in our friendship is the commitment we have to our friendship. And you know, it's like any any other relationship in your life. The work you put

in it is what you get out. And as the show ended and all of a sudden, we had this place where we always saw each other and that was gone. So it was up to us after that, how do we maintain this French ship? How do we keep it going? What does it mean to us? And it's one of the joys of my life, the work we put into it and what we get back from it, and I'm

always so thankful for it. We'll talk to us a little bit about like what that commitment means for each of you checking in really sharing and sharing because it's I feel like, how people grow really close to you as a shared life experience, and whether or not your journey is the same, you're sharing your life experience on any day, I know what Jenna's day was like. I know what her week was like, even when we've been

way apart working. You know, like when Jenna, when you were in London and I was in Vancouver, I knew the sound her feet made on her walk every day and I grew to look forward to it. You know, at first it was annoying. I was like it was kind of some crunchy rock. But then I was like, oh I miss that crunchy rock and I need to hear it. But right, Jenna, like, we just we stay connected. We journal out loud to each other all the time about the big stuff, the small stuff. All of it

is welcome. Yeah. I think a lot of what and nexus as friends is sharing the small stuff. And like Angela said, journaling out loud. We used to write each other journal like emails, and then we moved into audio messages, which is how we do it now. And Angela just audio messaged me about her ceiling today. She had a big water leak and she gave me all the guys,

the ceiling is going in today. I've I've been waiting weeks for this because I'm so invested in Angela's ceiling for her, because we tell each other all the small stuff. Do you guys use Marco Polo? That's a video messaging app? No, I know it, I know Marco Polo, but yeah, it sounds like that would be a good app for you too, because then you can visually see each other talking wherever you are, and then you can show her the ceiling

being the installation of the ceiling. Like, it's a nice way to check in with your friends and family when you're on vacation anywhere, really, so they know what you're up to. You don't have to like message back in real time. It's like when you get the message, you message back. I do that with a lot of my friends. It's a atty great form of communication. It's almost like if you could leave a voicemail when face timing. Yeah, it's like a FaceTime voicemail basically, Oh, I'm in, I'm in.

What's nice about it? Is like, well, when I see that come in I'll wait until I have a minute to digest it so you can really can accept the message. And there's also sometimes messages where I'm like, you're gonna need to make sure no one's around when you listen to this one. Yeah, you know those are my favorite. Yeah, obviously I like what you're saying about friendship because we've

talked about this before, Catherine, about Renee Brown. I think it is talks about the marble jar and how, you know, things develop and cultivate over time. And it's not about like necessarily instant connections and all of those things, because those can be fleeting. It's about time spent, you know, time quality, time spent repetitively, not just a few times

or a couple of times. It's about all the small moments along with the big moments and the consistency of it that leads to like a real, real worthwhile friendship. I think that's true. I feel like I always know that Jenna is going to show up for me, and I don't know that about everybody. You know, like I am someone that I love meeting people and hearing their

stories and kind of collecting this group of people. But then you have this small inner circle that you know is going to show up in Jenna's top of the list, and that makes me feel good in the world. That makes me feel safe, and she makes me feel safe a lot. You know that's great, Jenna. Oh well, I

mean that's Angela for me too. There's an unconditional love that comes with Angela's friendship that makes me feel like I can be the parts of myself that aren't so polished, the parts of myself that I am may be ashamed of or embarrassed by. I can make those mistakes with her, and she's she doesn't judge, She's there to just love me through even my worst moments. Yeah. I think that's the gift that everybody they wants, right as somebody who can see you at your worst and love you nonetheless.

And also the lack of judgment is nice because I noticed in different dynamics with girlfriends of mine or friends of mine or associates of mine. You know, sometimes I'm very judgmental, and sometimes I am so forgiving, like not even forgiving is it the right word, but the opposite of being judgmental, you know, generous, Yeah, just generous of spirit really, like not ever thinking that any of their behavior is ever going to like break us or judging

them for it, you know, loving them through it. So judgmental, Like being judgmental is a very tricky kind of balance. Well for me it is anyway, because I used to be super judgmental, and I've tried to tone that down. You know, sometimes I'm very successful and sometimes I'm less successful. Well that's that's just everybody, right. I Mean it's like some days I'm like, I'm crushing it today as a human, and then other days I'm like, what a piece of crap?

I mean, I'm just I'm curious. How did you do that? Chelsea? Was that like a conscious decision? Did you decide to take that on one year as a goal, and like, what are some of the things you did? Well? I went to therapy and realized, like I you know, I went into like serious therapy for about a year and a half when I just became so angry and kind of like, you know, just I had no patience for people. Everyone annoyed the funk out of me. I mean, people

still really annoy me. I don't know if that's ever going to go away completely, but I have a much more like loving attitude now. About people and I understand that people go through things, you know, that you don't know anything about, and I just was a little bit

up my own ass. So I had to just kind of expand my my thoughtfulness and really understand that everybody is going through something and most oftentimes you're not going to know what that is, and to be empathetic, which is something I kind of really lacked empathy, and to cultivate that. The exciting news was that it's possible to cultivate empathy when you are deficient in a category like that. There are skills and ways to remember that. You know,

everybody has their own life. Everybody has their own set of problems, their families, their history that you don't know anything about, and to be more patient with people, really, and it feels so good to be able to love someone when they're acting badly, you know what I mean, When somebody feels terrible about the way they're behaving, where they're having an outburst, it feels so generous to be able to sit with them and be like, it's everything's

gonna be okay. You're gonna be okay, and you know, and so that reaps its own set of rewards. I think mm hmm, yeah, I mean I feel like one of the things that you know, I mean, I feel like that you and I have is we can be really honest with each other and we've given ourselves the room and our friendship to just take it in and because it comes from a loving place, it's sort of like that thing you were saying Chelsea about like having compassion.

And we're not a perfect friendship, you know, we're a working friendship and we do the best we can. We care for each other and we always come at it from that space. So I wouldn't want anyone listening to think that it's always been smooth sailing, because anything worth anything takes work, and there's gonna be days where you get on each other's nerves and things that you work

through as friends. But it's always been just so rewarding that I can go to Jenna with anything and she can come to me and she hears me, and she'll we own whatever part of it we own and then we get past it, and um, it's something I'm I don't know, jennat always means a lot to me that I know I can go to you that that that I feel so comfortable in our friendship that I can even go to you with things where I'm like, hey, you know what that bugged me? Or you can do

the same and we get through it. Yeah, We've also started conversations like this, like I've said, hey, I have to talk to you about something. Something's bothering me and it might be me, it might be my ship. But can I say it out loud and maybe we figure it out together, like what part of it might be you?

What part of it is Maybe it's all me, Like I'm I'm coming at this, but like I've been holding it for long enough now and I'm not figuring it out by myself, And so can I just bring it to the friendship and as soon as I say it, I might feel embarrassed, because sometimes that happens, like as soon as you say it, you see it. And and so I am so grateful that our friendship and our friendship did not start that way. In fact, I almost feel like some of these bigger, deeper kind of conversations

have happened since we went into business together. Because when you're running a business together and you're presenting a business to other people, the stakes are a little higher, and so I that's one of the things that being in business together has brought our friendship. It's I feel like even even deeper, yeah, because the dynamic shifts. But I love what you said. I love that intro into getting

into a difficult conversation. We haven't had to have any difficult, really difficult conversations yet, Katherine, but I hope to have some soon. So we just started, we became friends, we started working together, and then we became friends. So it's the opposite. Well no, it's not the opposite, yeah, but you can work together and then became friends and then decided us to work together again. Well, the differences though,

is we were we were co workers together. We both worked for someone else, right, and really my work ethic didn't affect Jenna's or vice versa. The way we approach work didn't affect each other. But then, you know, we had our friendship which was really solid. But then when we started to run our own business together, well, now it's like that's it. It's just me and Jenna, and we directly affect one another. How we work, how we process information, how we go into a meeting, it's all together.

And that was a real learning curve too. Because we do process information and work very differently. But I also think we complement each other really well. Yeah, we have very similar work ethics. We're hard workers, but we approach how we organize work differently. And it's when you go into business with a friend as well. It creates so many more opportunities for friction and you know, kind of

rubbing against each other the wrong way. So was there anything that you really had to work through from that perspective? I mean not at first. At first though, every person I told that we were going into business together was like, do you think that that's a good Are you crazy? Are you worried for your friendship? And even our husbands were worried. I think mostly because they need us to

be friends. They need Angela and I to be best friends because we are helpful in like not making them everything, you know, like they're not our only friends, so we have each other for the big stuff. But I think it wasn't until we started getting into it where yeah, it was mostly how we work. Angela is a night owl. I am a morning person. Yeah, like when when we swap information, because you know, our our podcast, Jenna and

I break down every episode ourselves. We go through it, we reach out to people ourselves, we kind of come out with an outline of who takes what, and so I would get this creative burst at like ten o'clock at night, nights ender all these ideas, and she'd be like, I need do to buck it up because my brain is shutting off. And then Jenna, it's like when her eyes opened, her brain is going like in the morning, her eyes are open and she's ready to talk, and I'm like, no, no, no, I need time to get

into this day. And that was some of the learning curve that we had. So you need to have meetings at like two pm, just like this is our happy time right here. That's good to identify that. When people had reluctance regarding you guys working together, did you talk about that openly? Yeah. We both came to each other and I was like, I was like, Jenna, Josh thinks this could be a bad idea, and She's like, oh my god, Li said the same thing, and neither of

us had any reservation, Like I had nothing. You know, sometimes you approach something new and you're like you get that feeling. I had none of that. I just felt excitement, and usually that means this is, you know, a good thing when everything in your body is like yes, yes, yes, yeah. I think whether you're in a married couple and you work together, our friendship duo and you work together, I think some people can work together and some people can't.

You know, some people can have a great marriage or a friendship and they can't work together, or maybe they're like on the verge of divorce but their business is going great. It's like, you know, I don't think it necessarily reflects on the relationship, but it can be really difficult to work with somebody that you deeply care for, that you like. Catherine's husband edits our podcast and he's our sound engineer and I'm sleeping with him now too.

So things I've gotten pretty fucked up around here got me a thank you for saying throuble before I had to, because that is the word of the decade for me, especially I'm everyone's third wheel. Actually, we have a pretty interesting question coming up today that I want to say before we start. We're gonna go right into these questions and we have callers and people calling for real advice. Girls. But it's so nice to have such a wholesome group of girls here today, like, you guys are really gonna

be You guys are gonna dig this. I could tell because you're really I could tell you're gonna care about these people and this is gonna be fun. Yes, okay, Well, before we get to questions, we'll take a quick break and we'll be right back and we're back fantastic. Our first question bred we're going to go right into the collar just for time. Is Brad your husband my husband. I get to tell him what to do, and it's great. I've seen you should have seen our hug in the hallway.

He went to hug me on the side and I went around the corner and then we just both just hit I mean, he's a good hugger. Well, we missed that one this morning. I'll have to try again when I leave. Well, this is Bella. She's twenty two. Her subject line is and I love avoidant or am I right? So she had written into the show, and some developments happened before she wrote in again or before I reached

out to her. Um. She wrote in about a long distance relationship she was in and she wasn't totally sure it was right for her. They would have a great time when they were together, but after he left, she'd find herself thinking about being single. Complicating matters, they were working on a short film together and he had helped

her through the loss of her father to cancer. She felt that he was a wonderful partner, but couldn't really figure out what was wrong, and she had asked, am I trying to avoid a love that's too good for me? Or is this feeling I get when we're apart right? And now is the time for me to be single? Then she wrote in again. A couple of weeks ago, I left my long distance relationship with my boyfriend of two years, and it was the best decision I could

have made. I loved him, but my longing for independence grew bigger and bigger, and I couldn't let another day go by abandoning myself. He and I were great friends before we dated, and we'd love to resume that friendship when the time is right. Can you help me with those next steps? I know it would be a few months down the line, but I'm a planner and I would like to hear your advice. How should I approach establishing new friendship boundaries with him? Should I be conscious

of how much time I spend with him. He was more upset about the breakup than I was, because mentally I had left the relationship when I wrote my first email, I can't wait to hear from you. Bella, Hi, Bella, Hi, bigg Hi. Oh my gosh, I'm so happy to be here. I know, look at all the women here to give you a Yes, ladies, ladies. Okay, So to your relationship, he must have, that must have? Really? Was he surprised? Yeah, which I was surprised. I live in New Jersey or

I just did. I'm on a road trip moving back to a led pursue. Good for you forgetting the funk out of it, right. We did it, We made it out. I could only say that because it's my home state, of course, And so earlier this month, I went to l A to visit some friends and I wanted to see the house that I was moving into, and a couple of days before I went, that's also where he lives. A couple of days before I went, I was like, hey, I need some space. I don't want to talk. I

just feel very confused. And I was open with him about how I was, you know, questioning our relationship kind of on and off, and he was like, okay, of course yeah. And then I got there and I broke up with him, and he was accepting, but then also expected that the whole time I was in l A would be like our lovers goodbye, we would be hanging out the whole time. And I did hang out with him the first day, but then I had to kind

of back away, which he was very upset about. So it was a little complicated, and I think it was one of those things that once I really honored my knowing and what I wanted, I couldn't like look away and I couldn't unsee it. And for him, it was like he wanted to use this time to really hold on to what we've had and honor what we've had, and I think I've been doing that privately on my own. So I really love him, and I really appreciate him, and I think we had a really beautiful relationship, but

it's time for me to move on. I don't see myself with him long term, you know, so I think now more my question, especially about being friends with him. This is one thing I was also realizing in my reflection, was I changed parts of myself to really connect and click with him, and I think, like, when I'm thinking about maintaining a friendship with him, I know I need time before that happens. But I think he's going to meet a very different person as well, So I'm just wondering.

You know, he's more eclectic, He's very artsy, artsy, and there are parts of me. I'm a poet, you know, I'm arts as well. But I think there's parts of me that I suppressed and then highlighted to really connect with him. Um, and now that I'm out of the relationship, I'm finding who I am again. I'm also twenty two, you know, I just graduated college. I'm like in a huge transitional period of my life. And yeah, I'm just feeling a little anxious about moving to a city where

he is. And I know he wants a friendship as well, and I would be interested in that. But yeah, I just can't believe the vocabulary that twenty year old have about their own feelings these days. I mean, I was drunk and high and did not have any reflection about anything. I was like forty, I mean, so igpressive. Thank you. Well, you know, you read Glenn and Doyle and your life changes and ground and you know, everything, just the whole

world shifts. So yeah, good, good for you. Well, I want to ask you one question before we all jump in. So you kind of hinted at the things that you changed about yourself, but can you get into a couple more specifics about the things that you did change about yourself to be more connected to him that bothered you. Yeah, he lives in the clouds, and I think I'm a I'm a romantic as well, but I'm also very practical and especially being an actor, being a writer, and having

very big dreams for myself. I have a big hustle because I know that for a while, I'm not going to be making my living doing what I love. You know, I'm going to be working for free a lot. I'm going to be doing theater and getting paid two hundred dollars a week, and I'm going to be so happy to do that. But you know, he didn't have a job, and I always did. I felt like I wasn't as motivated and in a hustle mindset when I was with him. He taught me how to slow down and smell the roses,

but I think I was doing that too much. Towards the end of our relationship and I went on vacation with him and my best friend, and now that we're broken up, she was like, that was so jarring for me because I felt like seeing you two together, I was seeing the side of you that I would have never thought even existed. Like, he's not a planner. We were going to San Francisco and he thought that we could just like go and camp on the beach and like that's legal, and I left him to figure out

where we were camping. So then we got there and the one job he had he just completely failed out, which I was like, oh, it's fine, it's cute. Oh god, he's such a plan and like so lives moment moment. But no, that's something that I wouldn't appreciate and also wouldn't think was cute. If that was like just a friend, I'd be like, you sucked us over, Like what are we going to do now? So yeah, I think I was just a little bit more passive and let him take the driver's seat. And I'm not that kind of

person just in general. And now I feel like I don't have a boyfriend, and like I said, I'm graduating college. I also lost my dad earlier this year. He had brain cancer for two years, and you know that really changes a person. Being twenty and having this like huge dose of reality and so and losing him also obviously changed me. So I'm like, looking around, I'm like, I don't even know who I am anymore. And there's parts of myself that I especially lost in my relationship with him.

So now I'm just totally rebuilding, which I'm very excited to do, but I do feel intimidated and I've been lost. Mm hmmm, well, thank you for your honest dates. I I love everything you're saying, is I think so relatable

to anyone who's listening and to all women. You know, how many times have we all been in relationships where we've given too much of ourselves away only to come back to ourselves or you know, every relationship you get out of and then you hear what everybody thinks about what the relationship was, and you're like, well, I wish you would have told me that while I was in it. But thanks anyway. I feel like I'll go first and then everyone girls you can jump in. I think it's

so important to just respect his boundaries. Being the one that he was kind of broken up with, and letting him take the lead on the friendship part. I think you do need some time so you're not he's not in love with you, because it's so hard to be friends with somebody when you're still in love. You know, it's kind of untenable and it's not it's not even

nice to the other person. So I think you should definitely let him take the lead and you should take some space in between that time that you become friends. But you know, see what he wants, because a lot of people say they want to be friends and then they try and they can't, you know, and then they're like, oh, I can't do this, it's too soon, it's too much.

But yeah, I think respecting his boundaries since you're the one who's kind of, you know, blossoming out of the relationship, and he will too at some point, but maybe not at the same pace that you are. Angela, what do you think, Well, you know, bellow, when you were talking at that one of the things that really stood out to me, and like Telsea said, you were so well spoken. I'm just like, my god, because I was not at

twenty two. But one of the things you said that really stood out to me is just your feeling of loss after your dad passed away. And you know, when my father passed away, it was like this life anchor disappeared, this thing that I was so tethered to that was the calm and every storm, and it made me hold a mirror up to my whole life, all my relationships.

I just looked at differently through this filter of losing my dad and just know that voice in you that knows when something's right for you and knows when it's not, and losing a parent like that magnifies that. And so I feel like you are living your truth and I

think that's really good. And I think the thing I would tell you is that the loss of your dad will always be with you, and you're gonna have days where it just hits you in waves, and days where you're okay, but you just look at everyone differently, and I think that's okay. You just went through a big

thing and it put your relationship in perspective. I'm sure there were many things that put it in perspective, but I know that that had to contribute, you know, And I just would say to be kind to yourself right now and definitely don't rush into another one. That would be my advice, you know, just take this time to sort of regroup yourself and regroup how you're going to navigate life without your dad and how you're going to

navigate relationships without him as someone you turned to. Yeah, yeah, I do. I feel that a lot, and thank you. I was having a conversation with my best friend yesterday, like I said, we're on this road trip moving back to l A. And she was really like, you don't give yourself enough credit. And I was sitting in the car like crying. I was like, I can't even accept that that's true, but I also have enough of a mirror up to me to know that it is. But yeah,

thank you very much. It's been it's been a ride. I think that was probably I've noticed the most. I was studying abroad in Germany and I came back after his services and everything, and I was just looking at all these people who are twenty and twenty one and just worrying about Win's margarite a picture hour and how cheap for the drinks, and I'm like, oh my gosh, everything is changed for me forever. But I'm also very

grateful for it as well. I think it's very significant to my life journey and has played a very specific role, and I do see more and more blessings from it. I mean, this is one of them. Yeah. Yeah, And I think just looking at a specific amount of time, you know that you might want to let a lapse between now and when you can really start rebuilding a friendship with this boyfriend, if and one that does happen.

You know, I feel like, as a general rule, I usually say six months is a good amount of time depending on how many hurt feelings there were for the person who was dumped, But you know, you might find it's three, four or five months. But I think good way to step back into that could be group get together is like when the time is right. But also, you know, I think as the other girls here have said, like taking his cues on that, as long as it's not too soon, you know you might have to you know,

keep them, keep them at bay for a little while. Yeah, because we really do have the same social circles. So like even this month big party time and my friends having a house swarming party, and there are things that I know that he's gonna be at. Is this something that then I just say, like, I'm not going to go to that because I know he's there, because it's like a weird thing of do I communicate with him, Like, Hey,

I don't. I don't know how to approach that part of it to like just the logisticates of I don't really want to be missing out on a whole part of my social life and these fun parties. But I also will acknowledge that, yeah, part of breaking up with someone and dating someone in your friend group is those sacrifices will have to be made. But I don't know how to do that while not communicating with him and

just hope that that works out. Well. I think it's okay to go to those sorts of things and you can be civil and say hi, but I would grab a good girlfriend just be like, hey, this is my mL for tonight. I'm not trying to like have long

drawn out conversations with him. It's like, can you just kind of have my back and keep me, keep me entertained, and be by my side for the evening and that way, hopefully, you know, if she sees you kind of getting into something or going down a rabbit hole, she can pull you away and say like, hey, let's go grab a

drink or whatever. Okay, yeah, yeah, Because I think the key is, like with breaking up and everything, like the best we can do is to be responsible with other people's feelings, right, Like, that's the best we could do, to not be misleading, to not be irresponsible, get drunk and make out with them irresponsibly, and so that that obfuscates the entire situation. You know, not that you're going to do that. You don't seem like the type of girl that's you know, that confused. But sometimes we can

do it. Men can do it too, obviously, but you know, women can. We have this way that we can. Sometimes we don't regard people, we don't hold them in the same regard that we would hold our own feelings. So I think the most you know, thoughtful thing we can ever do when things are ending is just to hold those people's feelings is equal to ours and make sure that we're not sending mixed messages. I'm sorry, I'm butting my shirt right now. I don't know what's happening, but yeah,

just to be responsible about it. And even if you did want to communicate and say, hey, I just want to make sure you're okay with us going to this party together, like there's not gonna be any weird vibes. I mean, obviously, you know you could always do that. That's as long as it's friendly and not misleading, right, Yeah, Jenna, what do you think? Do you have any thoughts on this subject? You know, I think you guys covered a

lot of it. And the one thing that I was just going to say was that I really heard that you are entering into a new season. It sounds like an ambitious one in your life. You have a lot of goals and visions for your life, and I want to wish you good luck and don't give up. I have driven my car across the country in hopes of being an actress once, and you are right, you will probably have some years of struggle and weird jobs and patching things together, but I'll just say it's worth it.

And if this is your calling, I really commend you for being brave enough too to rise to the occasion and make the changes in your life that are necessary to follow that call. So good luck, You've got this, So thank you so much. This is such an honor. I love your podcast, Chelsea and Catherine and I love your podcast, ladies. I love the Office. My dad and I would watch together all the time. So I just I am such a fan of you all. I'm so happy that this all worked out, and Catherine has been

lovely communicating likewise. Well, we're a fan of you. Now to Bella, you're an A plus plus bellas God keep us posted on how it goes, and thank you so much for calling in and sharing with us. I have a great day, ladies. Well that was just delightful. I mean, what where did this? I just care these young people. I'm so improud. I would be so proud of her if she was my daughter, I'd be like, I am

so flipping proud of you. They should make Untamed Glennon's book that should be curriculum like required reading for all high school girls, because everybody who reads it. I mean, I don't think I've ever heard of anyone. Oh well, some people aren't ready to hear it. Yes, I've heard some women go it's too much, it's too much, and you're like, you're the one who needs it the most. You know when people have that reaction. Have you girls

both read her book? Glenn and Doyle. I haven't read it, but I have friends who have read it and love it. I follow her on Instagram though, and I love her. Yeah. She and Abby are so funny. And she has another book, Love Warrior, and then I think there was one other one right before that, but I can't remember the name of that, but yeah, and aimed as awesome. I actually

was in my work. We were there and one of my friends had it and I read three chapters again that I hadn't read before because I was looking for inspiration, and I was like, oh god, yeah, it's so good. It's just yeah, it's great. Is it one of those books where you can just flip open a chapter, Yeah, sort of essay style, so you don't have to read it in order, and it'll just be like, oh wow, something just opened up in me. Yeah, you know in those days where you need something, like you have to

just pick something. I love those books at too, where you could just pick it up and you're like, what do I need to see and there's something in here that will help me right now? Yeah, it's like that, Yeah, oh, Jenna, we need to get it. Also, I have a fourteen year old daughter now, and so I was just like, she hasn't had a crush. Yet you know, it's like it's still it's all very new, but I know those days are coming, and I want to be prepared to be ready. It's a good thing to read along with

another friend, you know. I had read it with my sisters in law actually, and we would meet every week after reading a few chapters, or virtually we'd meet on zoom and we'd talk about it. It was just wonderful. Angela, should we finally read a book together? I mean, listen, any anything could happen. Maybe maybe we'll read a book together. Maybe we'll actually finally go to a yoga class. I

can handle. Anything could happen. Yeah, after this podcast, you guys can do a book podcast where you read books together and do a book review. Well, we have one more well actually two more collars. They are a pair calling in together. This submission comes from Country Carly and April Showers. Dear Chelsea. To start, my best friend and I have been fans since we were thirteen years old, watching Chelsea lately during sleepovers. We have a situation. We'd

love your advice on a little backstory. One of us is a nurse practitioner and has collected over a hundred thousand dollars in student loan debt in this pursuit. The other is recently divorced and is building a successful career and event planning in NAPA. She's been on a health journey to figure out the root cause behind her autoimmune disease so she can successfully manage her pcos and s I s S, and has accrued a healthy amount of

debt in doing so. We're hoping for your advice as we have thought of what we think might be a great idea to get us out of debt and increase our quality of life. We decided we both want to start and only fans account and create an actual solid business plan involving a photographer, videographer and account manager. We want to maintain total anonymity, use fake names and alter our appearance, and use social media accounts unrelated to either

of us. The only catches this photographer slash manager we have in mind is someone one of us is newly dating. We all feel like if we have clear rules and legal contracts, we can all make money and maintain professional and personal boundaries. We're all very level headed, self aware, pretty chill individuals that feel like we can truly be

successful this Are we crazy for thinking this? April is very comfortable with her sexuality and being naked, and I have often been called the nudest of the friend group because I was raised in a European household that embraced nudity and openness. The couple are both comfortable with the fact that he will be seeing me naked, and I believe that he's a solid guy that would be mature

about this. You inspired both of us to begin therapy over the last couple of years, and we feel so grateful to have the tools we have at such a young age. We're excited to free ourselves from debt and pursue a healthier, more genuine, and happy life. With the money we will potentially make. Carly country and April showers. Hi. Hi, Hi Carly in April, Hi, ladies him Let's go, Hi girl perfect. I have a quick first question, because I'm almost a hundred years old, I'm pretty sure I know

what it's only friends is only fans. I'm pretty sure I read an article about it, or listen to a podcast or something. Can you give me some context so I make sure that I'm remembering the right podcast or article that I read. Yeah, so it's social media for adult content. You can go as far as you want with what you post. There's like full on porn and then there's soft porn. You can do just photos, live interacting. There's like a tipping situation, but it's a platform to

make money. Okay, I got it. I know what we're talking about. And then there's also like the podcast I listened to about it was like how stressful it can be to manage all the d m s and how you can like farm that out to a company who will help you with your d m s. Yeah, okay, yes, what happens in the d M s them like a man or d M you and he'll want like I loved that pick, will you do one, you know, with

a lollipop or something like? They'll yeah, and then there's a transaction and then you do the one that they want and then yes, okay, I see yes, But it can be like I mean, and you know what it's like with you can get so many with social media and d ms, like it can be a lot to manage. Yes, that's right. I have them off and then sometimes I check in on them, and then then I turn it back off, but okay, so and you guys want to work together on this as a duo, and you would

be on camera together. We would have our own profiles separate. Yeah, it would be you know, each other's cheerleaders, and we would you know, show each other do the photo shoots together, but not interactive. But we would be starting our own management business, so we wouldn't have to recent because you only fans already. So the idea would be to have someone do the photography and manage. And it happened to be someone that I'm newly dating, So that's your only

hesitation here. Really, it sounds like is using this person who you're dating to manage both of you because there's a couple of hesitations. Oh what else? What else you got? I'm going to be a nurse practitioner, so being in the medical field, have to like really be careful about maintaining anonymity and also is it worth it to have this out there and potentially be exposed like deep into

my career as a nurse pectitioner. I'm I'm only a nurse, you know, like whatever, I know you're and she yeah, yeah that and just yeah, having someone in dating photographing my friend while I'm there, and also I not quite sure about the relationship at the moment. It's very new. Oh well, that's a big one. That's a big one because if you're if this is you're dating someone who's going to manage you guys professionally, but you're not sure of the longevity of that relationship in the dynamic and

how it might change. And then they're a business partner. That's the biggest flag here for me, right, My biggest flag is I don't know if this is going to be as lucrative as you need it to be unless you can like make it your full time thing. Because the podcast I listened to, but what my one source of information made it sound like what seems like a side hustle becomes your full time job if you want it to be really lucrative. Have you examined the real

financials here? Yes, we've you found. Yeah, Like we both work, I mean already forty five hours a week, so we're not looking for something to add on, you know, something tremendously, but we're also looking for a way to make some extra money to get us at a debt that will be kind of fun and enjoyable in a weird way

back that they're driving for Uber. But I would prefer to just have fun with my best friend and take some classy photos and if we make some money off it, great, But I think realistically what it would come down to as an additional you know, fifteen twenty hours a week

of messaging, that's kind of what we think. We also got to like if we do one big you know, shoot sort of say, and we set ourselves up for the months or the next couple of months, and we can you know, put those out every day and have it be we spend like a day doing it and so it can automatically post every day. So like messaging and staying consistent is a big part of it. But I think if we set ourselves up for that, then maybe it could say sometimes that's what I'm thinking of.

I'm thinking of sweat equity versus real money versus I heard autoimmune disorder. I know stress can be a big trigger for that, and so those are all the things I'm thinking, just as like I'm putting my entrepreneurial cap on. This is my business partner. She loves a list. She's gonna list it out for you. Chase where are you on this? We totally took this one over. I'm sorry. I love it using the guy that you're dating. What is that there's some sort of financial upside to that?

Are like, are you saving a management fee? I'm confused about that aspect. So he is a photographer videographer already for his job, he works for a gym that's trying to create a lifestyle brand. He's very good and he I mean, I don't know if we're getting a discount any He's not charging us up front. He is going to get a cut, and he was going to figure out the ins and outs of automatic posting, timing, managing our Twitter account so that we can keep you know,

the advertising flowing to make it a lucrative business. But I'm kind of at the point where I'm like, if if that relationship isn't going to continue, which I'm not sure of yet, what does that look like if do we hire him for the first shoot and pay him up front and have a contract that says this is all you're doing and we just use his photos, or do we like let him kind of dive into the

whole process and like actually take a percentage of our income. Yeah, I think contractually, Like you really have to have everything in black and white, because you cannot be in business with somebody that you just started dating. Like that is not a good idea. You have no idea what kind of person. You know, you don't know what happens in relationships people, you know what I mean. It's just that's bad,

bad idea. I understand he comes with some advantages, but like the legal paperwork that would be required to make this sustainable is going to cost you more money than you might make in the first few months of doing only fans, you know what I mean, Like, you really need to have it in black and white, like if you stop dating or you know, like how does it work?

Does it work? By Like, Yeah, I love the idea of doing a shoot day, and that's what you do for the you know, and you sprinkle it out through the rest of the month. Of course, that's the most time efficient way to do it. That's how I do social media, you know, that's what a lot of people do for many things. But getting into business with some guy that you're dating just as not a kosher idea.

So you have to figure out a way around that unless you have somebody like a lawyer that's in your family or a friend of yours that's going to drop this paperwork for you. That will make it very clear the split that they get, and you have to have like a very big boundary conversation about what happens if you guys don't continue dating. It's just that's that part is pretty that sounds messy. Yeah, he is a very

level headed person and a lovely person. He grew up with two sisters and just his mom, so like he's very intuned to women and I do trust him. Yeah, but everyone's level everyone's levelheaded and getting until they're not. So just don't you can't trust that until you know somebody for a long period of time, what's gonna happen? Yeah, I mean just kind of looking at the low hanging fruit.

If anonymity is really important to you, maybe there's a business opportunity here that doesn't have you on camera at all. Like it's not necessarily as sexy quite literally, But you know, you've talked about the things that people hate about doing only fans. It's the paperwork, it's the d m NG, it's the all this stuff that's just like hours from

their day. Maybe there's a business opportunity for you to be the business behind only fans creators who are already successful, providing these sorts of resources for them, so like they can offload that stuff to you. Maybe it's for a cut. I mean, from what you read, a lot of a lot of people on there are making gobs of money, so they're not going to care what it costs just to be able to offload all the business side. And as you've said, you've business minds, you know how to

create a business plan and you know, basically be consultants. Yeah, yeah, that is funny. And then I I recently at the month who I really like, and I'm already thinking like I'm going to tell him I'm going to do only fans. Like I'm kind of embarrassed, and I'm like, maybe that's internally something saying more than what I'm really reflecting on. Perhaps, But well, I would definitely listen to all of that, you know, because that's that's what you're feeling inside, if

you're worried about that. But I think there might be a business opportunity here. But more like what Catherine's saying, right, maybe you can start a snage management company for Yeah, that's a great idea, Catherine. Actually I think you should, yeah,

look into that. And then how would they go about that, contacting people who are on only fans and like contact Yeah, because I'm sure that I'm sure those people who was It's Black China or something made ten million dollars a month last year on only fans or something month a month. Money for successful and and your your average gal like non famous person. There's been girls that make up to twelve fift thousand a month. Everything that I've read, that's

extremes and that's that's hard work, consistent posting. Yeah, I just want to pay off my student loans. You're looking to like a side scratch, right, like a little side hustle. This sounds like if you really want to make a lot of money, it's a full job, is what it's sounding like. Yeah, And I just want to point out your tattoo. If you're looking about remaining anonymous, we talked about that, covering them up. Oh, I see, okay, And then I mean I think, yeah, I don't think anyone

gives a ship anymore. Like if a nurse is getting nude on the side, who cares? You know what I mean? Like, what is that shouldn't matter. Yeah, it's not like you're a congresswoman. I mean, look what they get away with. I know, I know, I guess nurses should get public this too. We can manage that only fans for medical professionals. That could be your stick, that could be your you know. You guys can always also like experiment. Whenever I have, like a new idea or a new business idea, they

don't always all bloom into something amazing. You've mentioned a few things that you're a little nervous about, Like you could try doing a shoot, and maybe after doing one photo shoot, you're like, what it turns out that was weird. It was super weird that my boyfriend was seeing your nudy. And we're gonna now forget that happened and we're just gonna come up with a new idea. And that's okay to Yeah, I do like a test shoot. See if

the photos even turn out. If you loved it and the photos turn out great, you have them, you know, But just because you do it one time doesn't mean it has to be a thing you're doing or we Actually, you can keep checking in with yourself, you know, keep asking yourself, is this still right for me? Does this still feel like a thing I want to do? Do I have time for this? Is this a match? Yeah? And there's also other people who know how to take

pictures who aren't your boyfriend. H Yeah. Yeah, I have a little bit of photography experience, so I could at least get like the lighting and everything. So that's what we're saying, like we could do this, But I think what we were trying to offload was the hours of work of editing photos and posting because we do work full time. So and with somebody who you like, you're you're kind of trusting because you have a personal connection

relationship with Yeah, yeah, right. I think either way, whether you decide to like do a shoot or get into this full time, or maybe do some business or social media management, talk to a few people who are doing this, find out what the pain points are, what do they love about it, what do they hate to about it? And actually like rather than you know, just reading articles, talk to somebody who's really doing it. You know, you maybe even pay them for their time through only fans

as what they hate about it. End those pain points. That's what is going to show you where the business model is. I actually do know someone, Yeah, pretty closely, that does it? Yeah? Yeah, perfect a female. Yeah, so I could message her, Yeah, do some research, some information gathering, and let that inform you to see if you want to really take the next step. Yeah, yeah, that's great advice. But I love that you girls called into the podcast

to see if you should go on only fans. That's a or like Chelsea will tell us like it is, and thank you for calling in with champagne. Ladies. We're going to have a day. April lives in Napa, so we're gonna go and have a day in Napa. Nice lovely. Make sure to get some picture scarls. Yeah, we'll be practicing after our wine tours. Perfect. Well, thanks, let us know what happens. We'll do by that's really real over here. Yeah, seriously, I can't believe that's our first callers that called with

drinks in their hand. Actually, that's actually good. Yeah. Well, let's take a quick break and we'll be back to wrap up with Angela and Jenna and we're back. Hi. Oh guys, what a delight that was today. Angela and Jenna. It was so nice having you both together and on on our show. Thank you, Thank you. So much for having us. I'm now going to be your best friend, your other bust friend. I'm gonna be texting you where I'm gonna be emailing perfect. I love texting, I love emailing.

I love all of it. Amazing. Well, do either of you have any advice questions you'd like to ask? Chelsea? I have one. You go first, Okay, Chelsea. Ski season is upon us. I am a new person to skiing and I love it. My family learned how to ski during the pandemic. We relocated to Santa Fe to be with family. We were locked down together and I don't know if you've skied in Santa Fe, but the ski mountain is about twenty minutes away from town, so we could go daily every other day. It was the best

way to learn how to ski. So I learned to ski at forty seven years old and I love it. My kids love it, my husband loves it. I am here for any skiing advice. Is there any kind of ski accessory that you cannot live without? So? Which mountain were you skiing? Not tos No, that's a little too hard for me. We were skiing at Ski Santa Fe. Santa Fe has its own ski Mountain Ski Santa Fe. That's where I learned how to ski. Now I've sent skied other places, but I'm I'm Green's and easy groomed blues.

That's my That's where I'm at. My family is all advanced. Even my children are skiing blacks. Okay, I see, I see, I see. Well I love that. First of all, how great is it to pick up something when you're forty seven. I'm forty seven too, and I love when people talk about a new sport that they learned, because some people just think it's too late for things, you know, and that's never true. So that's so exciting. First of all, there's a great, great woman named Taras Shackty on Instagram

who makes these adorable ski suits. So, I mean they're pretty. You kind of get noticed when you're wearing them, but they're fun to wear. Every once in a while, she just DM me with her new winter styles or colors. Well, I'm definitely here for that. I got my ski pants off Amazon, so I'm in. I'm in the market for maybe an upgrade this year. So her Instagram is t A R A s h a k t I and she has the cutest snowsuits other than that, do you have your heated gloves and heated boots? No, No, I

just shove the little handwarmers and toewarmers in. But I've been wondering, I've been skeptical. Is this really a cool thing to have the heated ones? Yeah, you should get mits. Mits keep your hands warmer than the gloves than putting your five your fingers get warmer. So I have a MIT, but I just put like a you know, a handwarmer in the in the top. Yeah. I would get heated gloves and heated boots. And it is a game changer.

So then you like because it just as long as you are comfortable when it does get really cold, that will change everything. And it's so nice because if it's not cold enough, you can just turn it off and you don't need it. But it's such a nice luxury to have. And I'm so surprised by so many people on the mountain who are like, do those really work? It's like, yeah, they work. I mean I ski in Whistler work it gets really frigid, so you need warmth

and stuff. But I think that really, like, you know, comfort, when you can be comfortable while you're skiing, it's the best. And then I would just say for a technique and stuff. I always someone once just told me, you know when you're pole planting and learning how to poll plant, because for a long time I didn't know what to do with my poles. I was just like, no, I don't even need them. But when you're pole planting, it's nice to think of taking your poll as like getting you

down the mountain. You know, every time you plant, you're turning down the mountain, and that way you're in control of the mountain. The mountain is not in control of you. All right, I'm so excited. It's like it's coming up and I didn't love my boots last year, or so

I'm gonna try to upgrade my boots. Yeah, you should try and get customized boots because when then they mold them to your feet and then that way you're just because boots are so tricky, like if I have to wear my if I have to wear any other boots than my own, like when you're trekking up a mountain, you you have to get different boats. I can't even believe. I can't think of this term. What the touring? Sorry, yeah,

I see people doing that. I don't like that. I like to ride up a chairlift and then go down the mountain. I don't want any exercise. Yeah, when you have your own customized boots where you get molded it for them, that makes the hugest difference too, because then your feet and are like locked in and your ankles are locked in, and the feeling of security is just so much better. Okay, see, I think you know I I kind of wanted to make sure before I spent

all that money, and I like really committed. I'm like, am I committed to this sport? But as Angela knows I am. Now we are in. We you are so in. I mean we are. We watch when it's snowing and we go follow the snow. We've become obsessed. So just set yourself up for success. It's okay. The investment is worth it always. Yeah, yeah, thank you. I love a

ski question. Okay, I have a question, Okay, dare Chelsey. So, I had a hard time during the pandemic because I love to have people over and hang and that was a real hard thing for me, just missing having people over.

So one of the things I used to do every year was I had a Yankee swap Christmas party something that started on the show The Office, if you watch it, we had this whole Christmas exchange and I decided, it's like the classy what was it, Jenna's like the white elephin gift, right, So I started having that party here at my house and it got so rowdy and so fun and people go crazy. They Jenna's gift is always

a big hit. You've brought the water hose one year and Oscar Nunia started chan and give them the hose like it's like the trade start happening and people have a really good time. And I really want to bring my Christmas party back this year. And I get this taco guy and he's amazing. He has this whole setup. But I've never hired anyone to do drinks. Everybody just

makes their own drinks. But I really wanted to make a margharita, like a great margharita and have a picture of margarita's out, and I just feel like, you know how to make a good margharita, And I would love your MARGARITEA recipe. Oh it's pretty basic. I mean I don't like them too sweet? Do you like them? So I don't either I don't like sweet. That's my thing. And I feel like I feel like I have a memory of you somewhere on a deck talking about a margarita,

and I was like, I want to ask her. I know there's a lot of big life questions I could ask you, but I really want your margarita. I like Don Julio Blanco. For me, I like the silver tequila. I don't like smoky tequila. I like silver tequila, so Don Julio Blanco is my favorite. I use tons of fresh lives. They have to be fresh, squeeze lives. You have to do that, like massive amounts. And I'm writing this down and the way to avoid the sweetness is

to get you know, quantros. What makes it sweet? So instead of quanto because a lot of people like a little bit of sweet, I just personally don't like that. But what's better than quantro is just a nice gave that you put a tiny bit of a gove in. And there's tons of different brands of organic a gave that you can use. But Margarita's season is not upon us yet. I haven't had margarita as yet. When this Margarita season, I guess now, Oh yeah, I drink when

I ski, I have Margarita's. That's what I drink, Margarita's. I was in Spain, so they don't make margaart ITA's in Spain, and anytime you try to order one, it's terrible because people don't realize Spain is not Mexico. It's a totally different scenario. But yeah, agave instead of quanto, and then that cuts the sweet in half, and just use fresh lime and never use a mix ever. Okay, And and then the silver tequila is key. Yeah, Okay, I wrote it down. I'm very excited. I'm gonna make one.

I'll let you know about it. Okay. Great, that's the only rule of recipe I know. So I'm glad that's the one, the one you asked for. Amazing. Well, thank you so much for joining us. This is so fun. I loved it. Thank you guys so much. I just love your podcast so much. Can I come back next week? And I come back anytime? You girls? Thank you a great gig. Oh yeah, I know we do. It's so much fun and we're so delighted to have you guys. Thank you so much. You were both such pleasures. Thank you,

and I hope to see you both soon. I hope so too. Okay, I would love it. Okay, take care of guys. Bye bye bye. So I am winding up my stand up tour. Vaccinated in Horney is coming to a screeching halt at the end of the year. I have my last dates coming up, and these are the last opportunities. You have to also buy merch from the website Chelsea Hammler dot com if you want Vaccinating Horny captain's hats that say We're the Captain's now for women only, our t shirts for men and your family that say

I'm sorry because they should be. I only have a few dates left Concord, New Hampshire, Wooster, Mass wilkes Berry, Pennsylvania. Wilkes Berry, Pennsylvania. There I said it, and then San Diego and Riverside, California, and then Baltimore, Maryland, and then my very last date is December six in Reading, Pennsylvania. If you are enjoying what you're hearing, you can subscribe to Dear Chelsea that is our podcast, and you can rate us if you want. Yeah, that's a great idea.

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