Hi guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut. I'm Brittany and I am also flying solo today. We have gone on Christmas slash New Year's holidays, but you cannot keep us away.
We have missed you terribly.
So we thought to finish off the year, we would go back and revisit some of our favorite episodes, some of the ones that we think maybe you new listeners haven't listened to yet, or maybe there's an episode that we reference a lot that you have no idea what we're talking about, so that is what we're going to do. I find it hilarious when I listen back two episodes from the beginning, from when we were little babies, when we had no idea what we were doing. Laura and
I would like stumble into the studio. We didn't know what any of the buttons were. We were googling. We literally used to sit in the studio and YouTube how to podcast. Then we would take pictures of the podcast machine and we were like trying to compare it to online manuals. It was actually so funny. I look back and I laugh hard. But the episode that I have picked today to revisit is one that we get a lot of questions about, one that we reference a lot, and I guess it's a really big part of my
life and who I am. It makes me who I am, and it really has carved the path for getting me to this point of my life, and it's very important to me. And it was a really big deal for me to open up and speak about it when we did. I'm really proud of the fact that I was open
enough and strong enough to talk about it. And I know how many people it helped at the time, because I had hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people right to me saying thank you so much for openly talking about it, because I didn't realize, you know, I was in this relationship, or I thought I was the only one that was in this relationship. And you've made me realize that, you know, it's not embarrassing when these things happened to you, and it's not a reflection on you.
And that was really important for me to know that the content that we're putting out there and the fact that we are bearing a part of our soul is helping other people. It's literally why Laura and I do it. We have had some really hard conversations in the last year and a half on the podcast, and the reason we do do it is knowing that we help others. So the episode that we're revisiting now, it is way
back when from season one. It was our third ever episode and it's called so I Dated a Sociopath, So it revisits my story and a very tumultuous few years of literally me dating a sociopath. I dated someone with a double life. If you guys are.
OG listeners, you'll know that.
If you're new listeners, you'll probably hear that we reference this episode a lot because it definitely has set a standard for you know, why I am like I am, maybe why I have been single for the last what eight years or something nine years? I don't know now it feels like forever, but it did, you know, it definitely set me on a path where I had to rethink a lot of things. And you can listen to
the episode now. Obviously, I feel like if I did it again now, if I re told the episode, I think I would do it differently, and I think I would probably go into more detail and probably be more open about it. But it's already done and it's already out there.
But that.
Horrible, tumultuous, two years, toxic, two years of my life. I have no regrets, and I think this is something that I really want to drive home and I want people to know that. You know, a lot of people say to me, I'm sorry that happened to you. I'm sorry you had to go through this situation, But in a word, I'm not sorry, because nothing else would have happened that has happened.
I would not be here.
I would not be here I am. I would not have had the experiences that I have had.
Because of that.
I sold my house, I sold everything I owned, and I went on this three year around the world trip, like literally with my sister. We had the most amazing three years. I definitely would not have done that if it wasn't for this relationship. I went on The Bachelor, which again put me on another trajectory and carved out my life in a whole different way. That led me to Laura and to the podcast and to other opportunities. And I really do think it's like a knock on effect.
I don't think any of that would have happened if this one event didn't happen to me. So that's something that I like to carry through life. I like to look at life in a very particular way, and I try not to regret things if I don't have to. I try and look favorably on experiences, on bad experiences, and take something positive from that. And I think that's
really important. If you can look at any bad situation and transform it in your mind and make something positive out of it, learn something from it, grow from it. I think that is an amazing characteristic to have and it will literally change the rest of your life. So, guys, enough rambling from me. We really miss you. Guys. We are so excited to come back in twenty twenty one, which crazily enough is in a couple of days, which still blows my mind. Big thank you to everyone that
has been listening from the beginning. To all your new listeners, welcome to life. I'm cut, we absolutely love you. Twenty twenty one is going to bring so many good things.
For all of us.
I feel it in my bones, and we have some really exciting things lined up. So guys, strap in, enjoy the episode. If you want to re listen to again, I hope you take something from it. If you want to share it if you learn anything from it, we love that as well, and we will be seeing you very very soon.
He's out.
Hey, guys, and welcome to another episode of Life Uncut. I'm Laura and I'm Brittany.
And today we have a real doozy of an episode for you. I think it's fair to say that most people have experienced some sort of toxic relationship in their life, whether it be with a family member, with a coworker, or in their own personal relationships. Today, someone very close to me is going to be sharing their experience with the toxic relationship. And that person is so close to me, she is close enough that I can smell her. Please, don't do you want me to work pretty early in
the morning. Have you showered yet?
I actually haven't known.
No, No, it's okay. It's five point thirty in the morning right now. And this is the only time we had to get this podcast done so on a hustle. Guys, britt is going to be sharing with us a pretty huge dating story and how she's dealt with this toxic relationship in her life and how it's shaped her. And I'm really really proud of her for sharing this, and I'm actually really excited for her to share this with all of you. Not because it is an exciting story.
It is actually really quite a traumatic story. But I think that there are a lot of points from this that are going to relate to a lot of people who may find themselves in similar situations or find themselves in other toxic relationships. But before we get into the thick of it, britt I know you watched The Bachelor.
Of course, I I'm only human.
Give me your low down. What do you reckon? Right?
Well, we did speak about it last week. I openly love Matt.
You love him? Yeah, I think Matt agnew. Just so you know, if you didn't pick anyone, Brittany loves you the.
End, I thought you were clarified.
I'm going to send him in a cinema text. I'm going to slide into his DMS and let him know I have a sneaky suspicion the man is very in love, which I'm stoked for because that's what the show's about. Don't say you're stoked, it's a lie. She's actually heartbroken. But you know what, we're still pretty excited about the show itself.
So yeah, I did watch it. Did you watch it.
Yes, okay, So we were away for the week and I made my sister book an airbnb that had TV free to air. I was there. We couldn't go out for dinner because I was watching The Bachelor.
It's a dedication, isn't it?
Very much? So?
So, what did you think of the first lot of girls, because obviously it was they came in two lots over two nights. What was your initial just go your initial overthought?
I love them, I love them all. No, I think that it's been cast so well. We said this in the last episode, but this season seems to really have characters and I like that. I like that there is the villain. But she kind of came in as the crazy bride and yeah, I get a real cure vibe from her.
Do you know what I love? I love that she brought her best friend in as the bridesmaid. But I'm pretty sure Matt got confused and thought it was a contestant.
Did anyone else hear her call her friend a bitch face? Though? Did you see that best friend goals? I'm like, oh, that is I don't know how you're gonna feel being the best friend watching that back. Speaking of toxic relationships. Don't let your friend call your bitch face. It's not nice.
Yeah, remove yourself from that immediately.
So okay, if you had to pick your top girls, who are they off the bat?
Okay? So I think eleanor So she was the girl from Mauritius.
Yeah, she's French.
Yeah, she looks beautiful.
Oh you mean cream that one?
I like her?
Oh Cream? No, I liked her.
She seemed super normal. She was beautiful. I think Ellie. She won me over with the marshmallow campfire.
Elle everyone everyone over. She's the dream.
She was just so sweet. I think we'll see her in the end.
I'm worried that I'm gonna get Nikki Gogan. She's amazing, she'll be potentially, Yeah, we have to prepare our hearts for that. Or maybe she's the girl, Maybe she's she won't be. You know who I love. I love the girl from Rio. I just think her narrating of this season so far, with the Kelly hair. I want to be best friends with her and I want her to narrate my life so funny.
Yeah, she's a cutie. She's got really glowy skin.
Yeah, now Britt's creeping on her hos well, do you know what else I like about this season? I like that they've brought in the intruders, and they've brought them in at the very beginning, because normally there's this sense that an intruder can't win the show because the intruders haven't had enough time with the bachelor. Yeah, I mean, I do think it's been from the few of the girls dropped their comments, and just how we know filming
is I think it's been about a week. It was only night two, but I reckon the girls had about a week in there before the intruders came in, But that's nothing. Only in a week, only one person's probably had a single date so far, so most people are pretty much on an even playing field.
Yeah.
I really like that instead of bringing the intruders in three quarters the way through, which they normally do, just to try and spice things up for the viewer. There's no way that an intruder's gonna win if they've only got two weeks to spend with the guy, of course. Yeah, So bringing them in at the beginning it means that we still have that injection of new girls.
Do you know what I think is funny?
Though? One of them could win.
Yeah, And I love how it's old girls first new girls. And I love how the old girls are like, we're the old girls. You can't come in here. And I was like, babes, it's been one episode.
It's been one but you know what, they've been in there for a week, so they already start to feel like they've got their click and they've got their groove of what's happening in the house. So I can kind of understand that we never had intruders on our season at all. No. None. I don't know why. I don't know whether it was a call from production or where the Matt had said that he didn't want intruders, but we never ever had any.
Sometimes I feel like they get halfway and they're like, oh, we need to spice this up.
What did you think of the date with sigand the first single date.
Yeah, to be honest, I was a bit on the fence about it because I thought it was super over the top, as in, like what they were doing was over the top. Well, I don't know, I just didn't feel like I saw enough of them actually talking. Oh my god, thank you, so I actually met think you I'm made a comment on Instagram. I was sort of doing some Instagram stories, mainly of me eating looking distressed. I said, did I just blink and miss the whole chat because I didn't see anything.
So I was actually looking at the social media pages for the date from the bachelor's instagram and everyone was saying, this is the most romantic date I've ever seen. Their perfect together. I honestly don't think I heard them say one sentence other than other than the one bit where Segun said, this is so beautiful, I'm speechless, and I was like, girl, you've been speechless.
This whole day.
You hadn't said one word.
And also the orchestra, I didn't even hear them play, but they looked great in the background.
I just didn't see them have any actual chemistry. Yeah, in the helicopter, they didn't actually have any conversation at all. They were just enjoying the view. And I think she did open up a little bit towards the end about how she'd been first seven years, which is how we ended up getting into our conversation for today.
But that was the only thing.
But that was the only thing, and I don't know if that was enough to be able to say that they had this real chemistry.
I'm glad you said that, because I thought I must have just had a micro sleep and missed the whole thing. But no, not just me.
It didn't have a micro sleep. I honestly I wasn't sold on that first single date, to be honest, nor was I.
Also, where did they get changed in the bush? That's my point behind of it. Wind and where did the dress come from? Matt? I'm sorry when they say Matt set that up. You did not put that dresser.
Oh, come, we allt don't. Don't ruin the smoke and mirrors. The Bachelor organizes all the dates, actually, do you know what? I can say this and attest to this. The Bachelor has a very very big say on every single date. I know that there's this like rumor out there that all the dates are done by production. The Bachelor actually gets to dictate very much the plan of the date.
Yes, and just I'm just taking it.
She's hateful because she thinks Matt's in love and it's not with Britt. I can give you that spoiler Matt and Britt do not end up together.
Spoiler.
So okay, So we got talking after the Bachelor and if you've listened to our first episode, you would know that Britt touched on the fact that she has been single for seven years, which for some people might sound crazy, because Britt, you have everything going for you, why are you single? And I know that that's really an offensive thing to be asked.
No, it's not offensive, it's just that it wears you down sometimes when a lot of people ask you over and over and over again for seven really.
But often there's a reason. Maybe you've chosen that, maybe you haven't met the right guy yet, but you have quite a good reason up until this point as to why you carved out some time for yourself.
Correct, Laura, thanks for asking.
I am asking, and I really, I mean, I really want to approach this sensitively for you, So I really kind of want to give you the microphone a little bit and lead into this conversation however you feel most comfortable as well.
I am. To be honest, I'm pretty open and comfortable talking about this now, but I never have really voiced it on a national platform before I got to the point where I started to talk a lot about it with my friends, and I did mention it to Nick on The Bachelor, but we didn't go quite into depth because I had said I just wanted to skim the surface with it and I didn't want to be airing my dirty laundry on national television.
Did you take a little while to sort of process the fact that your whole life was going to be in the public, I one hundred percent did. Okay, Yeah, and I definitely was not going on there for a well is me and this is my story, Otherwise I would have told it. Yeah.
So I do have an interesting story and I want to help people that might be in this situation because I do think it's going to be a lot more common. And essentially that is well, to put it simply, I dated a sociopath.
Yeah, so there it is. That is the end. Thank you listening to our podcasts. And look, I don't think that it's fair to throw around the term sociopath really nearly because we don't have any sort of degrees, we don't have qualifications in this. But I think once you listen to this story that Britt is going to share, it's pretty hard to say that this person or individual who made these decisions doesn't display sociopathic tendencies.
Yeah, and clinically I know that this person is. Now. I mean, people use sociopath and psychopath interchangeably, but they are different. Also, there's this big common misconception that both are these violent, horrible murderers that we see on TV thanks to people like shows like Criminal Minds.
Of course, but I think that there are a lot of people who are very high functioning and who have amazing jobs, and they can maintain some solid relationships, but they dip into being very narcissistic or they display those tendencies without necessarily having to be full blown.
Yeah, so there's a narcissistic personality disorder that sort of goes hand in hand with a sociopath. Yes, usually they share very similar characteristics, character traits. And I think we're gonna call him Luke. Okay, his name was not Luke.
And this whole episode is not about trying to trying to make a victim out of a certain person, So you want to keep him anonymous.
This isn't about calling somebody out about awareness. It's It's not a revenge podcast by any means. Definitely not.
So let's start the story.
This is the reason I've been single basically for seven years. I met Luke at work and Luke is he was the most beautiful charismatic. He could sell water to fish. The guy could he could do anything he wanted. He could convince you of anything, and you would. He had this air of confidence where he would walk down the corridor and whether you were attracted to him or not, you looked at him.
Do you know those people? Yes, just an a real energy, just.
The way they carry themselves, and a little bit egotistical that came out later.
But so sometimes that's attractive in someone as well, you know, having like a little bit of arrogance, especially if they're in a powerful job, that can be really attractive. I know I have sort of been drawn towards that in a person before.
Yeah, it's just that maybe if they sit at about seventy to eighty percent of arrogance, yeah, not about one hundred and fifty seven, which is what Luke was sitting at. Anyway, So this is quite a long story, so I'm just gonna try and give you the main points. He approached me and basically told me I was beautiful, taught me
everything I wanted to hear. We started dating immediately, and within about three and a half four weeks he was telling me he loved me, which is very fast in hindsight, but of course I was just smitten, so I said I loved him back. And it was intense. It was the most intense relationship. I cannot even describe it. There were probably seventy to eighty messages a day, usually from him. I would respond, obviously, but and they were via so
many different medias, phones, emails. He'd be popping in to see me at work. And when you're in this new love and this new infatuation, you just think, this is the best thing since sliced bread. Someone cares about me that much, someone's so interested in me, And we delved into the most intense relationship ever. Let's just say, hindsight's a beautiful thing. So we're going to fast forward a few years and then we'll come back. I found out he had a double life. So after two years we
were getting married, he'd taken me to Tiffany's. He'd convinced me to get this Rhodesian ridgeback dog. We're buying his house in Melbourne.
You really had set up a life for each other, a life.
We had chosen our kids' names. It was really intense, but it.
Also sounds like the beginning of your li relationship. He just completely love bombed you, which is.
What you said in episode one.
Yeah, which is like a real way of just making someone feel completely adored, and that level of adoration is addictive.
Yeah, I did. I felt like the most amazing person in the world, Like he would not look at another person. And all of this, I would like to say, was coming from him. All these plans were his, so he always made these huge romantic gestures as well. But to go with that, there were a lot of downsides, but
I always let them slide. So there was a lot of really last minute canceling weekends away because we lived separately, and he did have a very high powered, high pressured position, and it was very easy for him to say within ten minutes, I can't make it. I'm at work, I've been called I have to go, and you sort of sit back and think, oh, okay, well, you know he's out there doing this amazing thing, so we'll let that go. But I had this constant like disappointment. I was always
every week there was something. But I loved him so much, so I made an excuse. The job is how he got away with it for so long. He Also he didn't have social media, which wasn't the end of the world, because this was quite a while ago. It was quite new to everybody. But he somehow always knew what I was doing and where I was and what I'd done the day before, if I hadn't even told him yet.
So do you think maybe he did have social media and he just had a different profile or something, or had a way of keeping tabs on you.
Yes, he did. Turns out he had been, for want of a better word, almost talking me, I guess, from day one, to the point that he would even make up fake emails, fake email accounts to email me to test me if I would maybe go on a date with him, not knowing who he was.
Wow.
So one day I put a picture up of me in swimwear with a bunch of my friends at the beach. We'd been surfy, and he's not on social media. Almost within half an hour I got a message from him saying, have you been putting bikini photos up? Brittany? And I said, excuse me, Like, what are you talking to? Like?
Low key controlling? You should be able to put whatever, yeah, whatever you want up of yourself on your social media page without having to think how that's going to be.
Yeah, and I said, I'm sorry, how do you even know that? I said, yeah, I put a photo up at the beach and he had. He told me, and he showed me the email he forwarded to me, an email that he got from someone anonymous saying the most horrible things about what they wanted to do to me from seeing this photo. So, yeah, so I was disgusted because I had seen this email that someone had written him. And he said, how do you think this makes me feel britt like knowing people are out there seeing this
photo and they want to do these things too. So he made me delete my social media because of that, because he made me feel like there was these really disgusting men. And it turns out he just had these fake accounts and he used to he used to just make people up write emails to himself so he could forward them to me to control me. It got to that point.
Yeah. Wow.
Fast forwarding two years and it comes out coincidentally that through this mutual friend that didn't know both of us existed, it came out that Luke was marrying someone else at the same time.
So he was literally living a double life.
He was literally living a double life.
And how was he doing this? So you were based in Melbourne.
Now I was in Port McQuary, Okay, he was in Newcastle and his other partner was in Melbourne, so she had quite a high profile job too, and that's the only reason he could really pull it off.
So the tyranny of distance made it easier for him to be able to sort of have a life set up in Port McCrory and have a secondary life set up, and he just kind of could float between the two of them because of his occupation.
So every second weekend we would go to his place, this beautiful house on the beach, and he would change the whole house, pack it up, change it so it was suitable for me. My photos, my clothes, my cosmetics, everything I left, And then I would leave and turns out he'd have to pack the whole house up and hide it and reset the house for how his other partner had it. And he did this every weekend for two years.
Brett, this is insane. This is actually an insane story. Yeah, And the fact that you were such an intelligent woman to think that you had the will pull it over your eyes really makes me think if this could happen to anyone. This isn't something that's isolated to you. Definitely, if somebody wants to purposely deceive you, and if somebody wants to lie, then I think this can honestly happen to anyone.
Well, it turns out the way the way to successfully lie, apparently is to try to keep as close to the truth as possible. Yeah, but he was setting up lives to the point of, we had a o Adesian ridge back, and he and her had a Ohodsian ridge back, and we were buying the same house, and they were buying the same house. We were Wow. We both wore the same perfumes. He made us, He bought us all the same presents. He wrote to us, Chris cards and letters
that were word for word identical. I know this because I became friends with this woman. But they were to the point of, let's call her Emma. There were a point she was of sort of Asian descent, and I'm obviously blue eyed Caucasian. He would say, dear Brittany, I can't wait to have children. I hope they have your eyes. But then her letter would be like, dear Emma, I can't wait to have children with you. I hope they have your eyes. We've got different eyes, I mean completely,
but the same same sentiment. So wait, hold up and rewind when you said you became friends with her, you can't just say that and throw that into the conversation because if this is me, she would be ten foot underground, which I know it's not her fault. How did you become friends with her? Okay? So he had told me he had this ex girlfriend. Yea, he said he'd been with her a long time.
They broke up.
Then he met me, and I was the love of his life. It came out at dinner with this mutual friend that Emma was very much still around.
So how did you know this mutual friend? And did you?
Okay?
Right right?
They were new to work and they had worked with Luke previously, but they were so new that I hadn't gotten to the point of saying, hey, so this is my life. I'm dating Luke. So we just didn't even know each other existed, like we didn't know, and he accidentally just dropped it to another friend. He said, hey, have you been to Luke's when he's missus cooks? She's so good And I knew that that was my Luke, and I thought, hang on, I've never met you and
I've never cooked for you. So I just played dumb for a second. It took me two seconds. My heart dropped and two years flashed before my eyes. Everything was adding up like it was just like it clicked over. Everything made sense for two years. I thought, oh my god.
And so when you were sitting there at this dinner, did you say anything to the people that were there?
Yeah, so I probably looked a bit of psycho for a second. I played it cool, and I thought, I'm.
Just gonna you could not even compare to how psycho I would have looked.
So I just played a call for a second because I knew as soon as I told them they were not gonna give me any more information. So I said, oh, Luke, you know that works at XX And he was like yeah, So I thought he was single and he said, oh no, no, he's been with this missus Emma for like six years. They're getting married. Did you just hear that? Then? That was my heartbreaking. I'm not sure i've heard it.
That was mine. I actually can't even imagine.
Yeah, So there was this table of people sitting there and I just I ended up losing it. I got I was like so erratic. I stood up and I had my phone and I was like, I'm marrying Luke. I've been with Luke for two years. Like who the hell is this girl? And I was frantically like swiping photos in front of their face, showing them all like just all photos.
Of us on holiday to try and prove, like not even trying to show them how well.
Just justify the day. I wasn't a psycho, but of course I had a yeah that I had a life with this person and their face, this guy's face, I'll never forget it. He just looked at me with so much sympathy.
I'm so sorry.
I promised you. I did not know. I don't really know what to say to you, and I just said, you're gonna have to excuse me, throw my cutlery down, stormed out of this restaurant.
And so when you found out and you said that everything flashed before your eyes, did you sort of have this hindsight that things weren't right and things didn't add up?
Oh? Definitely. I felt so ridiculous and so angry at myself because there were so many signs and my sister Sherry, who were so close. She would never straight out say I hate this person, don't date them, but she was constantly saying, Brie, this doesn't sound right. Why is he why is he canceling last minute? Or why did he have a piece of her clothing still? Because that would happen. I found something and I you know, I would quiz him and I would leave that conversation apologizing to him.
That's how good he was. Whenever I approached him about anything, I would end up apologizing and begging and crying saying I'm so sorry, because he would. He's so manipulative.
He would be able to flip it around and make it did get your problem? Like gaslight? You too felt like, oh, I can't ask these questions, and.
He had an answer to everything, Like he had this huge house. Oh, she must have left it here a year ago when we broke up, or always somewhere. I thought it was yours and so I didn't throw it away all ways. He was so secret of his phone. That's another thing, like would not let anyone look at his phone. The manipulation in this relationship was next level, and it was on so many levels. The abuse was
on so many levels. But I remember seeing one day he was showing me a photo of his work, and as he was swiping, I saw a video of me and I had never seen it before, and I could see that I was nude, and I said, hang on, what was that. I was like, oh, nothing, nothing, nothing swipe by and I said, no, that was I know that was me, and he had filmed us sleeping together.
Without your concer.
I had no idea. Wow, and I was like, I don't know this, He's not cool, angry. I was just really taken aback and I said, I don't know when was this And he said, babe, baby, know that you know you'd had a few dreams. We'd spoken about it, and he ended up convincing me at the end that I had somehow agreed to that.
And I guess the thing is, when you love someone and they're lying to you, you want to believe them, because it's not in our innate nature to think that someone's lying, especially if you're not a liar yourself. Then you know you take what's said to you for face value. And yes, there may be this underlying niggling, like insecurity
or something that doesn't quite add up. But if that person is manipulative enough, they can make you feel like you're the one who's being crazy and you're the one who's sabotaging your relationship and you're the one who's making issues out of nothing. But the reality is, when it's a good relationship and there isn't any lying going on, you don't feel crazy. You just don't because there's a
calmness to the relationship. Whereas I feel like, listening to what is going on in your life with this relationship, it sounds really frantic. It was.
There was no calmness ever.
And high energy all the time.
Yeah, I just was constantly in the wrong and constantly apologizing. So there were a few things like that that happened. But so we fast forward. I've just found out and I had remembered him telling me because he because this friend had said they'd been together six years, this other couple. I'd remembered him telling me about his ex girlfriend, So it was she was so easy to track down. So I just, first of all, I called him. He didn't answer. He's never not answered me in his life because he
was a sporterline obsessed with me. And I just knew that the other guy had like, gone, mate, giving you a heads up, britt nos.
Yeah, I he was the intro ye. I called him, holy yeah wow. Of course he didn't how to answer his phone.
And he didn't answer, and so I messaged him and said, call me immediately, or I'm going to tell fine this other woman and tell her. And he called me back straight away. And then as the phone was ringing and I was looking at it, I thought, do you know what stuff you? Why am I even giving you that option. I'm just gonna tell her anyway. But I didn't pick up for him.
Do you think you you thought that initially because you still love him. You know, love doesn't just stop immediately, and even through betrayal, usually the first reaction we have is anger, But that is that anger doesn't necessarily mean that you have just wiped the love slate clean, like you still feel love.
I it was the most stupid woman, but I loved him so much. Even when I had heard that, I was still making excuses in my head. As I was walking down the street trying to find these girls details, I was still making excuses that this has to be wrong.
Of course, you're not stupid. Your whole identity from two years has just been taken away from you. You cannot expect yourself to understand or to process that in a matter of second. That takes months, if not years, to heal from. I think that to be able to kill from that, if you ever could heal from that, Because the level of dishonesty runs so deep, how do you trust someone again?
It did form a lot of trust issues for a long while. It turns out that so I called her and we spoke for seven hours, and she was amazing. She was incredible, she said. As soon as I told her as well, the last two years of things fell into place for her. As we're on the phone to each other, we're sending each other emails about proof. She's like, I believe you, Britt, but can you just forward me this just so I can throw it in his face. I was sending her emails. I was like, Okay, this
is the house we're buying. He just emailed it to me. She wouldn't get it, she would email me, I wouldn't get it. And then in front of our eyes, all our emails being deleted. So he was on he already had just worked it out, was trying to save his butt. He was at his house.
He was in your email.
Emails, so I didn't even know he knew my password. This is how he had been following me in one me for so many years. He knew my passwords. He was doing it to her too, so we were like, oh my gosh, quickly log out, READO our password. We went back in and turns out we were in each other's blocked senders. So I didn't know who she was, but in my email Emma was blocked and Brittany was
blocked in hers. He had just thought of everything in case we had ever stumbled across each other and thought to try and contact each other and never would have made it.
The level of deceit just runs so deeply.
With this Yeah, he had covered himself on all levels.
I think that's probably a testament to how intelligent he was. I mean, you can use your powers for good or for evil, can't you? And this guy really used his powers for evil. It's just so selfish.
We'd be on a holiday, would be overseas, and he would force me to leave. One day he said, you have to go home. I've got so much work to do. You have to go tomorrow. It has to be he wouldn't let me stay, and it turns out because she would be flying in within an hour of me leaving. She would go and they would do their thing. And I felt really horrible for her because she had been with him for six years. But she was amazing to me.
We had this amazing friendship. But I ended up having I changed my password over the next six months quite a lot, and he was constantly I had this. I had something on my computer that told me where someone was logging in, and he was constantly finding my password again and I didn't understand it. I ended up having to get somebody that was in military security to look
on my computer and everything that I typed. I don't know what the technical term is, but like a key logger, Yeah, it would go to him, so it doesn't matter how many times I changed the password.
So this is actually a thing you can install. It's like a spyware, and it key logs all your passwords, which I mean your computer does that anyway, but if somebody is looking at your computer externally, they can get your passwords to your banking or your email, or to any of your private data.
It's absolutely I felt so violated.
And to think that he had to go to that level prior to the fact that you knew. So you didn't know for so long, you thought that this was a normal relationship, and yet he had already done all these different things to try and control you from the very get go.
Yeah, I had no chance from day one.
No, you were hooked. You were just hooked.
Yeah.
And I think that that's also a testament to being in a relationship with someone who is narcissistic or who has psychopathic tendencies. It is so incredibly hard to leave because they make it incredibly hard to leave. Well.
So one of the main characteristics of someone of a sociopath is their lack of empathy. And I think this is really important for people to know. If they feel like somebody just doesn't have any emotion, any connection to reality, it's a sign. So I knew that something was big, like hugely wrong when I finally spoke to him for the first time. The first thing he said to me, I picked up the phone and he said, I hope you're happy, Britt, And I was so taken, Aback, I said, sorry, I hope I'm happy.
Like, no, I'm devastated. My entire life has just fallen apart. Yeah, taking everything from me that I loved. He said, well, you could have just kept this to yourself. You didn't have to.
Tell her, so that now I don't have either of you. That was his I just was so gobsmacked. It's almost sounds ridiculous.
Repeating its like, but this is the level of selfishness that this person had to display.
He said, you obviously set out to ruin my life and you've done that, so congratulations.
To make you feel so do you know that in itself was one last dig at making you feel bad and like you're the reason why this ended, Like this was your fault. It was unbelievable and taking absolutely no responsibility for the way he acted and behaved throughout this whole relationship.
And from this I developed insomnia and anxiety because he was so mad and there had been like violent outbursts in the relationship too. He knew I lived and worked, and he, honestly, from the depth of his heart, thought he believes that I ruined his life. So I started not sleeping because I thought, what if this person comes, What if he really really wants revenge because he thinks I've ruined his life. I didn't tell my family straight away for probably.
A few weeks. Why was that?
Well, I was so embarrassed. And I know that sounds like a strange comment or a strange emotion to have, but I felt like, what a loser? What an idiot? How could you have dated somebody like this? How could you have going to marry someone like this? Like?
How could they have pulled the wool over your eyes so long?
I thought? And I was just for some reason, I just felt like it was all my fault and my problem, and it's because he had trained me for years to feel like that. I finally had to tell my parents, and once I started and my sister, once I started telling them, it all just fell out, and they made me realize that this has nothing to do with me.
This other person has come in with real intentions to control your behavior, and your behavior was controlled. And the way that you the things that you did in your relationship with the outcome of what somebody else wanted, the manipulation that somebody else wanted out of you, That could happen to anyone.
Yeah, even the things I would wear. He used to manipulate that. But in a way that's not like you're not wearing that it was just in a way that made me feel insecure about what I had on, and I'd end up putting on what.
He wanted, just to like jump back to what you were saying just before, and not in any way to compare your relationships to relationships that I've been through. But in my experience, I know that when I have had to lie to my family and friends, or like I've had to change the story a little bit to make my ex boyfriend seem like not such an asshole, that's when I knew that this was really profoundly wrong, Like
something was really really a problem. If I was having to constantly try and make excuses for their bad behavior. Did you find that you were, at a time making these excuses as to why he was behaving a certain way, or keeping it from your close friends and your family because you didn't want them to judge him. Was that something that you found that you were doing.
One hundred percent? There would be weekends that he would that I would plan and he would cancel last minute, and it turns out it was for reasons, like Emma, his other partner had flown in to surprise him, so he would have to cancel a minutes notice, and then I was so embarrassed by that that I would tell my friends I had to cancel it because I got called into work and I couldn't. I just couldn't get there.
And really, you just did it because it was me constantly being knocked back, knocked down, trodden on, walked owever, And it's a it's a funny point that you just said about when you feel like you start to make excuses because you don't want people to know how horrible they are. My best friend said the same thing the other day when I was talking to her about this.
She said, my boyfriend was such a drop kick, but she she would make excuses for him and lie to people about him, about how great he was or how he got a promotion or whatever to make him sound better, because she said, I was just embarrassed that he was a drop kick, but I didn't ever want to end it.
And she loved him, and she loved him.
Yeah, and she loved him.
But there are there are some loves that it's it's an addiction. It's not necessarily being in love with the person, but it's being in love with the feeling of being in love and that in itself can be incredibly addictive.
And I know from my past experience with dating someone who I definitely I mean, like I.
Said earlier, I'm not a counselor, I'm not a psychiatrist, but he displayed a lot of characteristics that would put him in the narcissistic category. I wanted to be with him so much because I loved being in love with him, and the relationship we had was so intense and so heightened that I was addicted to it. But now that I'm in a healthy relationship, it's made me realize that healthy relationships don't have those huge peaks and those huge lows.
They run at a more constant They're calmer, and you don't wake up every day thinking is today going to be a good day or is today going to be a bad day. You just know that every day is going to be good because there is that constant reliability to it.
Well, that's a good point, because I was constantly walking on eggshells. Ith, It's funny you say that. Every day I was like, what's you going to be like today?
So you have been single now for seven years, and a big part of that was the healing process after dating someone who is so manipulative. How do you think that that has changed your want to get into your relationship or the way that you date now, or your perception of men in general.
Okay, so that's a good question. I think my look at dating has completely changed. So I'm not single now seven years later because of that. I don't want people to think that I really recovered well from that. Bought a one way ticket to Brazil and I was gone for three years, so that was a pretty good healing process.
And I think that you're a testament to just how well someone can get over a traumatic relationship because you are so fiercely independent. You're such a strong woman. You have done so many amazing things in your own personal life. You've traveled by yourself, You've bought your you've bought your own property. Like you have done things in your life that you've achieved it on your own. Yeah, and you haven't waited for someone to come around and said, Okay,
I'm going to do that alongside you. You're like, no, I want to do this. I'm going to do this on my own.
I don't even know, man, damn straight, No, it's so true. I think everything happens for a reason. I always say that, but this horrific situation really shaped me. And it sounds so cliche. A bad situation, goes overseas to find yourself, comes back in new person to apport cliche.
No, there's a reason why people do it. People go overseas because they want to escape their identity that they have here. They you know, I think there's an amazing part of traveling after something that's been traumatic because it means that there's no hang ups, nobody has a preconceived
perception as to who you are. You get to go away. Sure, maybe some people might call it running away, but you get to go away and you get to be a new version of yourself in a fresh environment and give yourself some space to grow and heal.
Yeah. So well. A pivotal moment for me was I was walking down the street one day and I looked in a window. I was walking a route overseas that I had never walked. I looked in a window and I saw this monk, this his coat. I was like, what's that. I looked in and he looked at me, and we waved at each other. And that was the start of a month that he and I spent together.
With a monk.
Yeah, with a monk. Where were you, I believe it or not? London?
You spent a month with a monk in London.
Not what you think, right, not to bet. He wasn't like in the Amazon jungle.
It was just says months in the Amazon jungle.
Well, you know it might be. I spent a month with him, not a month full time, just like every day I would see him. Yeah, And the main thing that I took away from him, And this is how I approach life, and this is how I would love everybody to approach life, is that your whole life depends on your reaction to any given situation. So something bad is going to happen to every single one of us in our life. A death, a traumatic breakup, whatever it is.
And things that are completely out of our control, out of your control.
So the situation's going to happen. You can either go to your room and be depressed and anxious for the next six weeks, or you can still deal with it and mourn, but you can get on with your life and take something positive from it. Either way, the situation happened, and that's not going to change all that's changed is how you're dealing with it.
And I do think as well that you can exacerbate your own hurt by trying to control somebody else's reaction to a situation.
In the end, to answer your question, I was single just because I knew I didn't want to waste any more time. All of a sudden, I knew who I was, and I knew what I wanted, I knew my expectations, and I knew what I deserved, and I just didn't want to waste my time again with someone that didn't fit that criteria.
And I know that, and it kind of sounds bad to have a criteria in dating, but you kind of do need that you do. I'm actually an advocate for having some sort of checklist. And it's not about the way the person looks, and it's not the way what the person earns or the job they have or any of that sort of stuff. It's about the type of person that they are and what they want for their goals in the future, so that you know from daytart that your relationship marries up and that you're heading in
the same direction. A lot of people don't want to ask those questions because they don't want to know. They don't want to be let down at the beginning if.
It's not what what their goals is.
Because if someone says, actually, do you know what, I don't want these things that are on your checklist, well, then what are you going to do? Are you going to walk away from that person and say and say, Okay, unfortunately I really like them, but you know what, they're not in the same trajectory as me. Or are you going to waste three years and try and change that person to be on the same trajectory as you, Well.
They exactly, and then you've wasted threes of your time.
Yeah, and so I really, I mean I believe in checklist relationships and people might disagree with me, and that's fine, but I do think it's important to sit down and write down what you want and what you've learnt from your past relationships in order to make better decisions in your next relationship.
Yeah, I mean, I don't write a checklist as such, but I don't even write a grocery list.
Yea.
I have a general list in my head of like you know, but I'm pretty open to meeting loads of people now, like all different walks of life totally.
And look, I'm not saying this because I think that there needs to be the same it's just one type of person. I think that it could be many different types of people, but they have similar characteristics. So that way you're heading in the same direction. Do you know what else is really crazy? Tell me?
I just realized. I just remember now he took us both to the same Tiffany's.
As in you and the other woman. Yes, you both went to the same not.
Even just Tiffany's in general, the same one.
What if he got the same sales rep. I don't know. Do you think he liked flirting with the danger of it a little bit? Do you think that there was maybe he got off yea on this idea that that use it was, Yeah, like he was like a chess player in this whole game.
Yeah. And I eventually it turns out he was with thirteen other women as well in that time.
What but you know, he's just flown my mind.
But he said to me, God, he said the one time, I said, you know what, just be honest, I'm never going to speak to you again. Just tell me. And he said, Okay, there were thirteen other women, but you were the only.
Other girlfriend, You're the one I loved. As if that made me feel better, he said he But you know what, maybe he said that as well. And look, may it may be the truth, but maybe he said that as a way of just hurting you more.
He told me, and I believed it. He had a tear in his eye because this is the one time I ever spoke to him and saw him, and only because I ran into him on the street one day. He had a tear in his eye and he said, believe it or not, I did love you. And I know everyone in Australia who's going to hate me right now, I believe that because I believe in this super messed up, sociopathic way, that's love to them, because I know he cared about me. He wouldn't have dated me for two years.
I'm not saying it's normal. I'm just saying in his messed up world, there was his version of some sort of love. Yeah.
I think that that's important to say that. I think what youth and I think love is someone who can do that to you doesn't have the capacity to love in the way that we love.
Statistics say that we all everyone now has met a sociopath in their life. They just don't know it. They're just normal people on the street that you run into every day.
And sometimes sometimes they're the most charismatic, amazing, enchanting people. And then it's only the people who are very very close to them that can see that there's a layer or facade there that doesn't quite fit.
Look, I'm sure this is going to hit home to a lot of people to an extent, cheating the double life the line. I just want people to I know that the embarrassment you feel, because I know there'll be women out there listening and saying that's me. I feel that it's got nothing to do with you. I don't want anybody to feel that embarrassment or feel like they are the victim, because you're not, and you can take this into your hands and you can control your outcome.
It's just hard to walk away sometimes, but.
Very hard to walk away.
My advice too, is if you've got a really close friends or family that are telling you things that you disagree with, like about your partner, maybe just try and open up and listen to them for a little bit because it's coming from somewhere.
Well, it's coming from people who love you. It's coming from people who genuinely have no ulterior motive other than they want the best for you. So if your friends are telling you that the guy you're dating is a dick, the guy you're dating could be a dick. It's true, though, Boyler, he's a dick, he could be.
Yeah, and love is blind. That statement is so true.
I also think it's important to touch on the fact that when when you've been cheated on, or when you've been lied to, or you've been manipulated in a relationship, it's very easy to start to get into the mentality of what can I do to make myself better so that this person won't cheat on me again or they won't leave me? Because I know that in my past relationship where I was cheated on, my first reaction wasn't to think this was their fault. This is entirely their issue,
and I didn't do this to the relationship. My first reaction was, and I'm actually almost embarrassed to say this now, was I'm not skinny enough, I'm not pretty enough, I'm not intelligent or interesting enough, I'm not funny enough. And I wanted to change myself to make myself better for them where now I look back on that and I just wish I could talk to that broken girl and say, holy shit, get rid of that person who makes you feel so insignificant and so unware worthy of being loved
in the way that you deserve to be loved. Because it was years of life where I made excuses for someone who made me unhappy.
And that's half the battle with everybody. I don't think there are many women out there that could put their hand up and say one hundred and ten percent, I am happy with how I am. And I think I.
Hope that there's more women than that.
I really too, and I think we're moving in that direction. But I think with so much outside pressure from social media, from men that are just saying, well, you could lose a few kilos or I read something the other day about a girl saying her boyfriend bought her a gym membership and just left it on the kitchen table.
I didn't say.
Anything like the most express so on subtle, Oh, I just you know, look, maybe let's let's play the devil's advocate here.
Maybe the gym is important to him for his mental health, and that is he was like, you know what, you'll feel happy go to the gym. I would probably kill Matt if he tried to subtly and not so subtly tell me that I needed to go to the gym because he wasn't as attracted to me.
Well, I think the point this tells me.
Yeah, Britt, I'm so grateful that you shared this story because I know that this is not something that you have spoken about publicly. It is a huge and life defining story. And I do think that there are people who will listen to aspects of this and say, you know, I've experienced that, or or I know what it's like
to be controlled or manipulated in a relationship. And like I've already said, the fact that this happened to you and someone who I think is is so independent, it genuinely blows my mind because it truly can happen to anyone.
If you have that feeling that just something isn't right, it probably isn't. You've got instinct in every situation in life really needs to be trusted and listened to.
So we did have a section that we wanted to start including in this podcast because we have been receiving so many messages and questions and I love that this has become really interactive. But we are introducing a section club Ask Uncut.
That was not reheart. We didn't even plan that, though we nailed it.
So ask Uncut. So you guys please like message us on our Instagram, which is at Life Uncut podcast. You can ask us your questions and we will pick one out each week to be able to answer it for you and give you our unqualified spin on what we think of that question.
Very unqualified. Can we make a note.
Yes, please so because of the conversation we've just had and how we've ended that conversation. The question that we were asked today was my partner cheated on me? Now I don't trust him? Do you forgive? And how do you move past that? Brittany, what do you think of this?
This is a tough one.
Do you think it's possible to move on from a situation where someone has cheated?
Yes, to be honest, I do. I think it's very dependent on the situation. But if they've come forward and they're really honest and it was an honest I can't say honest mistake. But I definitely think there are times that you can speak as a couple and I have read studies from psychologists that say couples that there has been infidelity have actually come out stronger because they've gone and worked through it, They've worked out why it happened, and they've been better than ever. I think if you
can move on happily and accept it, that's great. But if you have said you've accepted it, but then you're going home and saying I don't trust him, how do I internally move on? Then you're not going to if you can't trust his everything.
I do agree. I think that yes, it is possible to move on from cheating in a relationship. However, I think that it fundamentally changes the relationship and it takes a long time to heal from that, and so I think that both parties need to be realistic that it might take a year or two years to really heal from some sort of infidelity, and it does depend on what sort of infidelity that was. Like, we don't live in a vacuum. There's no yes and no answer to
these questions. But I think that as we move more into a society where there's diminishing stigma around couple's counseling, there is more conversation around acceptance and putting out on the table what you need in a relationship and what you want and maybe getting to the root cause of why why did this person cheat in the first place? Was it an absolute moment of just stupid there was to me drinks a stupid decision? Was it something more
systematic and endemic in the relationship? So I think it really does come down to the cause and why was it an actual affair? In which case there's so many more layers of lying.
Yeah, how long?
Totally? And also are there dependables? Do you have children? Are you married? Do you own a house together? I think that when you say start bringing in more of the bigger life commitments, then there's more reasons for people to work it out. But if you've been with your boyfriend for six months and he's done this, it makes it so much more difficult to try and work through that because honestly, who can deal with the drama?
I think for me, the underlying thing here is the trust part where she says I just don't trust him. She wants to stay with him, but she doesn't trust him.
Well, the betrayal is the most damaging part of that.
Yeah, if you can't trust them, and you're gonna be wondering where they are every night. You need to leave. Just call it.
What do you think of the idea if somebody has cheated in a relationship, then their phone and their email and everything else needs to be an open book, as in like kind of like random drug testing. So are you if you have trug? Yeah, but I think of it like that. It's like a random drug test. Like you've cheated on me, I've forgiven you, But right now I feel insecure. So give me your goddamn phone because I want to check what the fuck you're just doing again.
Two sides to it. I think that a relationship should be open enough anyway that if you're like, babe, I'm just going to jump on and check that email. I think you should have access to each other. But I think if you're at the point where you feel like they go out of the room and you need to troll through their stuff, it's not right. You're not sitting in a comfortable, trustworthy relationship.
But I do think that if you've made the decision to move forward from cheating, then there is give and take, Because I don't think that the crime of wanting to look at someone's phone because they've betrayed you. Matches the crime of cheating no, so to have access. Yeah, so if that person has asked for your forgiveness, then they
need to understand that they're well I think this. This might not be true, but I think that if they've betrayed your trust and they've asked for forgiveness, then they need to come to the table a little bit with being open and also allowing you to act a little bit freaking crazy at times whilst you're healing.
Well, it's bound to happen, isn't it. Absolutely Okay, we're all good now.
It's so unfair for them to say you forgave me. You said you weren't going to bring this up. You can't go through my phone. There has to be some give and take. And I'm not saying that it gives you the liberty to do it for forever, but I think whilst you're getting over that initial trust hump, there needs to be some give and take in that. Okay, Brittany, I feel like we've covered some pretty heavy topics today.
See thanks for bearing with us, guys, but we really needed to get that out into the atmosphere.
Ah, yeah, And I also think that, you know, like, love can be amazing and love can be really shitty, and so it's okay to talk about the things that are really difficult. So if you're in the midst of a shitty, shitty relationship or you're trying to find your way out of something that's quite toxic, I hope that there's been little parts of this today that you've been able to take away and go, yeah, I've got this.
Yeah. As long as one person takes something from this and learn something, we're happy.
Britt Baby, gimme your suck, and you're sweet.
Suck and sweet, so suck. First suck is probably the fact that I got home to bed at about one am and it's five am and we got up to record this podcast.
Oh my god, so I am so sorry. So we were supposed to record this podcast at like a normal reasonable hour of the day.
But because we're both ridiculous humans, oh.
Which is there's so much going on in life, and I have a baby, and so I had to be here when Matt wasn't working, so we had to get this recorded and finished before eight am.
She's like, babe has five thirty and I'm like, mate, great, let's do it. Look it in so Brits suck is me basically as we inadvertently is Laura. But let's end on a suite and I hope that that's also Mary. My suite is obviously you every day getting the crossotin coffee with you? Is this week, my friend? No, the suite's probably. I did my talk with Beautiful Minds for mental health for the teenagers. I flew down to Melbourne.
I saw that on your Instagram's, babe, that's so wonderful. Explain a little bit about what that is.
We just went down, me and a guy called Andrew, who is amazing. He speaks to the boys, teenage boys, and we just speak to them about being a really strong woman independent, how to deal with online bullying, how to be a good person, mental health issues, everything in the mental health realm. And they were fourteen year olds that I spoke to, about sixty of them, and it was so great. They all messaged me and said that they really took something away from that and thank you
so much for coming. And I just felt like finally I was giving something back.
And you go in and speak to them in schools.
We go to their schools anywhere astmazing. Any school in Australia can call and organize it with beautiful minds. So it's government funded, it's a school curriculum and it's a really really amazing thing they're doing.
I love that you're doing this. I mean, you know, you have, you have an influential following, and to be able to go in and speak to young children and be like, yeah, you know, sure I work in this influencer world, but god, it's all made up and it's all shit and smoke and mirrors. This is me. This is what I look like. You know. I have great days,
I have shitty days. I think that it's so important for young people to actually see what an influencer in I'm doing inverted comments looks like in a real Oh yeah, we've got a camera set up here, what an influencer looks like in real life. So yeah, I think that that's really beautiful that you're doing that, and I love that that's your suck and you're sweet and what's yours?
My suck for suck and my sweet my suck. My suck was probably also getting up at five point thirty to do this podcast after I just got up at four thirty to breastfeed Marley and also Maley pete and pood all over herself during her sleep last night, So that was really interesting to deal with. Yeah, you guys are so welcome for these details. I told you that every week My suck and my Sweet was going to be something baby related.
I have an inkling maybe you're sweet might not be baby related.
Well, yes, my sweet is actually pretty great. So this week I don't know if anyone was following my Instagram, but this week Matt and I we took our first trip to Melbourne. So we flew on a plane with Marley. It was a success. She slept and we did a trade show called Life in Style and Life in Style is a great, big wholesale trade show which is a
way of getting your brand out there. And I don't know if you guys know, but I have my own jewelry business, and so for me, it was a really amazing opportunity to one feel like an adult again and talk to other adults and be working without something attached to your breast. Yeah, I was just really amazing. Matt. Matt came down. He stayed with me for the full five days. He stayed with the Airbnb and took care of Marley and just just did everything that he needed to do. He did was full on dad mode.
And I love I saw a lot of selfies and he was stoked, like matching beanies. He his loving dad life.
It was so good because in the past six weeks he hasn't had a lot of time on his own with Maley without me being a bit of a helicopter. So it gave him the autonomy to just be a dad without me telling him what to do. And it also gave me the freedom to be a business owner again and to work for Tony May and to work for myself. And I just felt so invigorated. I mean, I'm tired, but I'm so invigorated from a week of
doing that. And I really feel like it's possible to be a new mum and to have the business and to have the relationship and to have all these different facets of life and juggle it.
Yeah. I take my hat off some because you were doing I'm proud of you. Thank you.
I think I need to said that.
Cast You've got a thousand things on your mind, but you still nailed it and very successfully.
Thanks babe. I'm really lucky. I have an amazing support network, and I think that that is so crucial when you're a new mum. Yeah.
Well, thanks for listening, guys.
Guys, thank you for listening. I am I'm honestly thank you for sharing. Yeah. Sorry, that was a bit heavy today, No, never apologized, that was why we got into this. I'm so grateful for you sharing your story, and I'm sure that people who are listening and who've gotten this far are very grateful for it as well. And I know that it's a big deal for you to put this out there.
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