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Life on the Outside

Life on the Outside is a podcast that shares stories about returning to society after decades of incarceration. For many, the process of reentry is complex and they navigate society that is in many ways very different from the one they left decades earlier.

Episodes

Sink or Swim

When Anthony got out he walked up to a tree and gave it a huge hug. He remembered trees from his childhood but for fifteen years he barely saw any at all. When he got out, he made it his business to hug one. In this conversation, we discuss freedom and its limitations and the simple joys of life on the outside.

Mar 15, 202023 minSeason 2Ep. 20

Tribute

Anthony McDuffie was seventeen years old when he went into the prison system. Today, he's in his mid-thirties and reflecting on his personal journey from gang-banging in the streets, to politicking in prison, to being the lead coordinator for Alternatives to Violence Program on the yard. But life on the outside is not all rainbows and roses...It's full of family drama, personal struggles, and political turmoil of another kind.

Mar 14, 202019 minSeason 2Ep. 19

Quantum Love

After nearly three decades in the California prison system, Tobias is versed in faith practices and traditions that span Islam to the Occult. He has looked down the barrel of a gun and chosen love every time. In this episode Tobias and I continue our conversation about freedom, energy, and taking a stand against the system.

Feb 21, 202019 minSeason 2Ep. 18

Sunflower Fields

Tobias Tubbs believes in joy as resistance. He believes in love as the way forward, and he embodies this in the darkest of places and in the worst of times. He grew up with revolutionary parents at the fore of Black Liberation and that spirit remains strong in him to this day. After receiving a commutation from Governor Jerry Brown, Tobias finally had an opportunity for physical freedom and was released this fall after serving 26 years in the California prison system.

Feb 11, 202031 minSeason 2Ep. 16

Mercy

At age 19 Christian was charged with murder and sentenced to life in prison, without the possibility of parole. Narrowly sidestepping the death penalty, Christian had little hope of ever getting out. Twenty-five years later, now in his 40s, Christian's sentence was commuted and he recently got out. Today Christian is working towards the same goals he had on the inside, helping others heal through meaningful dialogue and direct amends...and making art.

Jan 29, 202022 minSeason 2Ep. 16

KANAKA

Maria Kanaka Luna got locked up in 1995, went to county jail, then hit the penitentiary in 1996 and 23 years later she was released. Freedom didn't settle in right away for Maria. She was picked up by ICE and still faces deportation. But that won't stop her from enjoying her freedom. She works at Homeboy Industries, advocates for people still inside, and wants to learn how to milk a cow. Each day is a blessing and Maria is soaking it all in.

Jan 08, 202026 minSeason 2Ep. 15

Glaring Sun

Johnathan was sober, but he was still struggling, trying to play two sides. When he went through AA, step 7 struck him. It talks about how in the midst of our addiction we make decisions based on comfort, not character. This resonated. Johnathan knew he had principles and values but comfort and convenience was overriding them. With each piece of insight and perspective, Johnathan gets closer to his essence, his remorse, and eventually, his release into the free world.

Dec 11, 201925 minSeason 2Ep. 14

Heart of Hearts

At the age of 16, Duc Ta was sentenced to life in prison and sent off to an adult facility where he would spend the next 15 years of his life. Duc has been out for six years now and in 2013, he co-founded an organization called API RISE, that seeks to empower the Asian, Native Hawaiian, and Pacific Islander communities who have been impacted by the criminal justice system. In this episode, Duc shares what brought him into prison and the near death experience on the inside that changed everything...

Nov 07, 201924 minSeason 2Ep. 13

Live Free or...

After 31 years in prison Thomas Eirls was exhausted and had made up his mind. Even with a life-sentence, he decided that he could only give five more years of his life to the system. He chose five years because that's how long it was until his next shot at freedom, a parole board hearing. But Thomas decided that would be his last one, no matter what the outcome was.

Oct 03, 201924 minSeason 2Ep. 12

LWOP

Kenneth E. Hartman served 38 years in the California prison system having been convicted to 'Life without the possibility of parole' back in the 1970s. He shares stories from his time at the notorious Old Folsom prison, his turn to activism, and his transformation after the birth of his daughter while he was still incarcerated. The day before Easter in 2017 Kenneth's sentence was commuted by Governor Jerry Brown. In December of that year he was released. Freedom is still surreal.

Jul 01, 201928 minSeason 2Ep. 11

Mother California

Kenneth Hartman is a prolific writer and author of two books, including Mother California , which he wrote while serving a 'life-without-the-possibility-of-parole' sentence in the California prison system. After 38 years, Mr. Hartman was commuted by Governor Brown and released from prison. In Episode 10 he shares the feeling of putting his feet in the ocean for the first time in almost 4 decades, reconnecting with his daughter on the outside, and why his personal success in the free world is ind...

May 14, 201929 minSeason 1Ep. 10

Made of Clay

In Episode 9 we hear from the poetic Robert Crain who served 12 years on a 15 year sentence. He talks about the power of empathy, race politics in prison, and the ways in which people assume patterns where patterns do not exist.

Apr 07, 201917 minSeason 1Ep. 9

Bulletproof

Ben once thought he was bulletproof. But then he committed his crime and got sentenced to life in prison as a juvenile. He'll admit, there were good times in prison. He made friends and during the holidays they would gather to prepare meals in his cell. But nothing compares to the freedom he has today and there is no where he'd rather be than living his life on the outside.

Mar 08, 201914 minSeason 1Ep. 8

The Work

Cesar spent 25 years in prison for a crime he did not commit. To earn his freedom, he accepted responsibility for other parts of his gang lifestyle and found deep insights into his childhood that helped shed light on why he took the path he did. Today, Cesar works for the Hope & Redemption Team under the Anti-Recidivism Coalition based in Downtown LA. As part if his work he travels to prisons throughout the state speaking with other lifers who seek guidance, hope, and support as they begin their...

Dec 22, 201818 minSeason 1Ep. 7

Dressed in Freedom

It took the first ten years of Je'Anna's 30-year prison sentence for her to finally want to make a change in her life. First her peers noticed, then the Correctional Officers, and finally the California Parole Board. Je'Anna was found suitable for parole in 2017 and released this past February after 3 decades of incarceration. In Episode 6, Je'Anna and Lucy sit in a park and talk about reentry, remorse, and the rewards of perseverance.

Nov 01, 201823 minSeason 1Ep. 6

Prayed You Home

James spent 29 years in prison for a murder he did not commit. Was he bitter? At first yes, he says. But he found a way to make the best out of a bad situation. He took college classes, played sports, and signed up for all the self-help classes he could. As the years went by James maintained his truth: innocence.

Sep 22, 201816 minSeason 1Ep. 5

The Dream

Fred Price served 26 years in the California Prison System. When he went in, in 1991, he was known as 'Magic Man' and had heavy gang ties. Seventeen years into his sentence he had a dream on night. This dream changed his life and would be the beginning of a fresh start....

Aug 03, 201819 minSeason 1Ep. 4

Shadows

Thurston spent 37 years in prison for first-degree murder. When he gets out on December 31st, 2014, he sees shadows. Is freedom everything he expected? It is. But there's also a dark side.

Jun 07, 201812 minSeason 1Ep. 3

Sam I Was

Sammy was sentenced to Life Without the Possibility of Parole in 1991 after being convicted of first-degree murder. He's home now, almost a year into his reentry, and cannot stop looking at the trees. There are no trees in prison. As he navigates this new world we listen to some of his joys, fears, and the deep gratitude he feels to finally be home.

Feb 14, 201817 minSeason 1Ep. 2

Fish out of Water

In this first episode Eric takes us through his experience of getting out of prison after almost four decades of incarceration. He paroles to downtown Los Angeles, where he is left to find his way in an unknown city and rebuild his life...from scratch.

Jan 03, 201822 minSeason 1Ep. 1
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