The Great Resignación

talking to you, you know, our listeners. If you're having this thought right now, you can quit your job. But there is a good way to go about it. Well, we got to talk about the Great Resignation because I feel like everybody is at this stage in their life where they are reevaluating what's important to them, what they really want to do. I think the pandemic hit some of us harder than others. It really made us give some thought to whether or not you're really wasting your

life at a company that doesn't value you. I know there are a lot of people who might be facing the same thing. There were many people who decided to go back to school because they said, you know what, this job is not for me. I feel like I could do more. I feel like I could expand, And I think the Great Resignation has a lot of people talking. But the one statistic that I thought that was really interesting was that it's being led by Latinas. That's a fact,

you know. I read the same article and I found it incredible that it's like, we're like, we're not doing this anymore. And this has a lot to do with the pandemic, with COVID, with being locked down, and us restructuring and reshifting our I guess our thoughts on what is important, and it turns out that for Latinas, the job is not at the top of the list. Well.

I think that culturally, we've always been the type of people to really put family first, and I think that given the situation where we were all kind of stuck at home, it made us realize, or it made certain people realize that they were spending more time commuting than they were actually speaking to their loved ones, or that they were spending more time in the office than they were with their family or their friends. So I think the Great resignation right now has a lot of people thinking.

But you don't want to just walk in and be like, I quit this bitch, I'm out, and be like in a blaze of glory. I have a co host that I work with. His name is Greg t. He always said that if he was going to quit a job, he would go and poop on his boss's desk. And I said, that's not a good idea, That's not the way you want to be remembered. But there is a great hell no. I mean, I think his reputation precedes him.

Everybody knows who he is. But for people like you and I who want to maintain great relationships, who really rely on those references, you want to go about it in a different kind of way. You do. And you know, I want to shout out everybody who's out here that you know that's feeding, that's feeling, you know, burnt out, overworked. You know, maybe your values are no longer the same values as your job, or even just a toxic environment.

If you've been hanging on and you haven't walked into someone's office or haven't emailed them just one line, I quit. I give you props because I know a lot of people that struggled with this every single day, and they tell me like, I love my life, but my job is making me hate my life. Well, that's no way to live, though, And I know that we all need a job to survive, we all need food, shelter, etcetera, all of the all of the things, but you also need to have a quality of life, which I think

is something that we need to examine. The issue for me, I think is that there are a lot of people who have looked at their requirements for their job and they're seeing that a lot of companies they downsized during the pandemic, So now you're not just doing one position, You're you're taking on to three four positions because they decided to streamline the company, and you're the person who's

paying for it, not the person at the top. The person at the top never sees that they never have to deal with taking on more or biting off more than they can chew. And yes, a CEO has his or her own issues and problems, and I understand that. But for the everyday working American woman, which I believe we're speaking to a lot of women, but we also have a lot of men that listen to this podcast too.

I think that there comes a point in time where you really stand back and you look at what you're contributing, and you think, is this how I'm going to go out? Like? Is this? Is this what the American dream is really about? Because for a lot of people at this point, it really isn't. It's not you know, it's just spending time with your family, not being Like for me, let's say I would be now I work remote, but before I would spend three hours on trains. That's three hours on trains.

Now i'd be I'm reevaluating. I'm like, Wow, do I ever want to do that to myself? Ever? Again, I didn't even know my husband half the time. I don't, I know, I don't. And I've spoken to my friends who have started to go back into the city to three times a week, and they say, I don't understand how I maintained this before. I don't know how I juggled so many things and I didn't realize everything that I was missing at home. There are so many different

angles and way used to look at it. For example, for me, my quality of life, where I think it really matters is family and sleep. I used to have to wake up at three thirty forty five in the morning to go into the city, and I was basically trying, let's say I was I was thinking, Okay, I got about an hour and a half commute, give or take, because you never know what traffic, construction, an accident, things of that nature, and you've got to be live in

the studio. So for me, just taking that extra hour and a half that I used to devote to being on the road and white knuckling it and stressing out because I didn't know when that accident was going to get cleared. I don't need to have that anxiety in my life. But on the flip side, I love my job, so that's where you have to look at the bigger picture and decide what direction you really want to take.

But the Great Resignation saw a lot of people just super frustrated and feeling uncertain and just throwing their hands up in the air and saying, I'd rather quit than continue doing this. And you know what, good for them, because you know, it takes a lot to make that decision, especially people that have been with accompanied me for a

very long time. And I feel like, you know, this episode, I feel like we should make it about you know, that person that wants to quit and just doesn't know how to quit, Maybe we can give them some steps on how to quit properly. I don't even know if that sounds right, but how to make your exit out of your company, I guess a good exit. I think that's a great suggestion because I think that there are steps that you can take where maybe you you think this is the time for you to move on, but

you just haven't spoken or advocated for yourself. Maybe you need to have that conversation with your manager and hint to them that you are thinking of leaving, and see what their vision is for you and the company. So maybe before you even start thinking of leaving, you have a sit down and you write down all of the things that you bring to the company. I am very friendly, I have great client relations, blah blah blah. Write down all of the qualities that make you a superstar and

make you an asset to the company. Schedule a time with your manager and sit down and really try to dive in and say, these are the things that I see that I'm contributing to the company. Where do you see me heading in the next five to ten years or is there no plan? And then I think that's when you decide whether or not it's time to move on, because I think there are so many conversations that people don't have and then you look back and your man, I wish I would have just stood up for myself,

or I wish I would have said something. So I think that that that for me would be the beginning. That's a great place to start, because I feel like a lot of people Carolina, they just feel like, no, I'm unappreciate it. No matter what I say, nothing is going to change. My boss doesn't appreciate my work. I'm just quitting. You know, a lot of people did just get in their feelings and you know what's that saying like,

don't make permanent decisions on temporary emotions. And I feel like a yeah, And I feel like a lot of people that go in and just be like I quit. It's just temporary emotions. So it's like, have a conversation with your boss. No matter how scary the conversation may seem, they might see your side of things or they might be like, wow, I was just thinking about this new role for you, or you know what you're up for? Review.

I was thinking about a great race. It might not go that way, but it might, so it doesn't hurt to try. Well. The other thing too, that I was thinking of ever forever married to the financial planner is do you have enough money tucked away so that you can make a decision like that and you could actually take them or two or three to find that next position that's the right one for you. You may not find something in three months, you may not find something in in in six or even a year, because it

is just so uncertain right now. So I would highly highly suggest maybe looking at finances, seeing if this is a good time. Where can you look at look at your lifestyle. Maybe there are things that you can, you know, do away with. Maybe your entertainment budget won't be as big, or maybe you won't be going to specialized classes at

certain gyms. You know, you have to really look at what you're going to do to set yourself up so that you're not a failure, so that you don't have to go and ask people for a loan or for help because you made such a rash decision. Now you better not quit this job if you don't have a nice stash of money in the bank, or better yet, if you don't have something else lined up, because you know what, online interviewing, you can interview at any time

from any place. It's not like before we have to put on a suit and show up with a printed resume in front of an office and wait one hour and your boss would be like, oh, that's a long lunch. You don't got to do that anymore. You can set up you can hook up with a recruiter online, do all your interviewing before you even walk into your into your boss's office and say I quit. I love that

because you're so right. I would. I remember there were people who were I was friends with that would say to me, oh, I have to go on this job interview, say that you're meeting with me so that they know that it ran long, and and I just say to them, oh, we had a meeting and I have to cover for you. And I said okay. I mean they never got that

serious where anybody would ever ask me. But still you have to create these or fabricate these different stories just to get out there and just to promote yourself or just to be able to get in front of people. Now it's a zoom. Now it's a team's meeting, so you're straight. One thing. My friend she works for HR and she tells me all the time, like I advised people to follow recruiters for different companies. Pinpoint a company you want to work for it. Let's say you want

to work for Google. Find the recruiter I Google follow them, and you know, just connections on LinkedIn. There's a lot of different ways you know that you can go about this. But I think the first thing you gotta do is, you know, make the decision when you want to quit. That's I think that's a good starting point. I think. So it's like really having that conversation with yourself and saying, Okay, this is it. You look yourself in the mirror that one day and you're getting out of the shower and

you just know you just have that. Have you ever quit a job, honey? I have yet. But I've never quit a job without not having another job. I've never just gone home like and hope for the best. I've always done the whole, you know, from one job to another. I've been working since I was fifteen Carolina with practically no time off. I'm trying to think if I ever quit a job. I mean waitressing jobs, yes, but that

wasn't really in my career. But no, nothing. I don't think that i've ever really quit when it comes to TV or radio or you know. So, I actually I'm not sure if I'm the best person to be given this advice right now. I'm just realizing that I haven't been in this. I always tell people canna get mad at me. So I would always prepare like a two week letter of a two weeks notice or whatever, and then whenever the big boss wasn't around, I would like put it on their desk with their name on it.

Like I was never like that ballsy person that would go in and be like I quit. I never had like a negative quitting experience, but definitely two weeks noticed that would get planted right on their desk, and I guess they would read it privately if you like, this little bitch is leaving right, so then you don't have to see their face or their disappointment. See, that's the thing.

I would always feel so guilty. But even though you do realize that these companies you're just a number, at that point, they're just gonna put your job posting up. They're gonna wait for people to respond, and it's gonna get filled unless unless you say to them you're gonna quit and they come to you with the counter offer. Baby, And that's what I'm talking about. You need to be prepared. You need to be ready to go with all your facts,

like like just a machine gun. That's it, given them all the facts about you, telling them about all the wonderful things that you do. Because if they present you with a counter offer, that means that you're valuable, and that means that you need to use that point to get that leverage, and the leverage that you make there is going to set you up for that next promotion.

So that's why I say, you really got to sit back and think about all of the things that you contribute to your job while you're there, so that if you're ever in this position, you're you're ready to go. One thing I will say, if if this job is not good for your mental and it is a toxic environment, no matter what they say, please you can find a better situation and a better environment where it will not affect your mental health. Because I do know people that

are like, my job is making me sick. I can't the stress is killing me. The anxiety is killing me. I don't care what kind of counter offer these people come with. If it is not good for your soul and it is not good for your mental please walk away. But back to the counter offer, they can come with a lot of great things, Carolina. If you love it there and the problem is to pay, they might come

with a counter offer. Have a solid number. This is how much I'm worth if you want me to day, this is how much you're gonna have to pay me. So money could be a counter offer. I want the private jet, I want Harah makeup, I want a wardrobe, I want a stylist. I want it at all. No, I'm kidding. And actually, you know what I did. Just think I did quit a job, and I can't even believe it's like one of the most important jobs of

my career. I mean, it's not that I quit. I Elvi stir in And when I decided to walk away, Yes, they were starting a TV show and they needed anchors. And the agent that I had at the time knew that I wanted to work in television and I had been auditioning for the few and all this other stuff, and this opportunity came up and he said to me, look for a woman to begin her TV career in the number one market anchoring a morning show. It like

basically never happens. So it's a local opportunity. Even though it wasn't national, which is something that I wanted. He said, this is where you could really get your start. But they need an answer, and they need you to decide and they want you to sign. And so there was the pressure, and so that's where you know what I did. I had to look at everything that I was contributing

to the radio show. I had to look at my quality of life, the things that I wanted, not now, but ten years from now at that point, which was a family and all of the things that I needed. And so that's when I made the really really tough decision to walk away from the show. But I did confide in my mentor and in my boss at the time, because I said, I never wanted him to hear from somebody else. This industry is so small, and so that

brings us to our next point. Yeah, it's like, if you have this on the brain and you when you make that choice, or when you make that decision, you want to leave in good graces. You don't want to leave with them saying like oh she's x y Z, or she let her job go just because she knew she was walking out the door. You definitely want to leave with a good reputation. That's a fact, especially what

you just mentioned. You know, don't let your job go just because in your heart you've decided you no longer want to be here. Don't just stop working. Don't don't do that to your team. Don't do that to you know, to your reputation. Don't do that to your reference. Because you spent five years at a company, what are you gonna do? Say, do not call this company when you're here job searching, so you don't do it right, And especially when you're in front of the boss or whoever

it is that you're quitting with. You know, just know what to say when you're gonna quit. Well. I also think that there are great things to say, and I also think that there are things that you shouldn't say, Like, this isn't the time for you to vent your frustrations about you know, Louis in the mail room or you know g G that brings fish in on Wednesdays. This is not your time to just like start rambling off about all of the things that you hate about the job.

I think that it's very productive to let your boss know maybe the places that they can improve, because you want to leave it better than you found it. So I would say, maybe that's your opportunity to say, look, the reason why I'm leaving is because I was never expected to do accounting. And HR don't not making this up.

You know, obviously, um, but that's where you spell it out for them and say, perhaps the next person that's coming in here, you might want them to have this skill set or I found that this was really challenging, or the hours just aren't working for me and my family anymore, you know, just give them some solid reasons so that they may be able to build off of that for the next person. Because you're leaving, it's not gonna make it's not gonna affect you in any way.

But I do feel like you should. It's if you have like a big boss, let's say that it's not really in tune with your position of what you do. I really think that you should let them know. If their company is going through some struggles and the struggles pushed you out, I think you should make no and be like, Okay, I understand, you know, my direct supervisor, you don't really know what's going on, let's say in

my department. But these are all the reasons that I'm leaving, And these are also all the areas where you can improve so that other people like me don't up and quit on you. So it's like, it depends really how comfortable you are with them and how much you really care. But I would definitely mention the reasons I quit so

that they can fix it absolutely. And you know, you want to be really constructive in your criticism, and that's where we're saying, give them key points where they could actually do something to improve the work environment for that next person. I definitely think bad mouthing people before you walk out is not the move. It's just gonna make you look slimy. It's just gonna make you look bad.

So reserve your thoughts to m f M up and down when you're with your girlfriends and be like, yeah, that's when you do it when you're with your family or with your friends or people that you actually trust. But that's not exactly exactly. Then you can give all the chiefsment to all of your friends. But at the workplace. No, the other thing that I was going to say, and

this actually does relate to it. You may think, you may think that you can confide in people at work, but the minute you leave, they will tell your mess. So just stay quiet, stay consistent with your story, and leave it at that, and don't tell nobody talking about I'm gonna give notice. I'm gonna give notice because in five minutes gets who's gonna know? Your boss is gonna know you're gonna give notice. People cannot hold that in. You know how many places I've worked in that everyone say, oh,

such and such is gonna quit. Oh such, that's given us two weeks for such such up getting thirty days. That spreads like wildfire in the office. So hold that right in your gut. Tell your sister, tell your friend, tell your husband. These motherfucker's don't know I'm about to quit on Friday. Not your co Yeah yeah, because then it's like be thicking honey, Yes, yeah, look at that work, you know, like that's but that's how it goes down.

I start talking to somebody, then that person knows somebody, and then that person knows an assistant, and the assistance they know it all by the way, So don't think that the assistance don't know what's going on. Uh. The one thing that that I wanted to bring up as well is you gotta make it official, and that's the hard part. I feel like that's where you were a little bit scared before, where you would write the letter and you'd like slide it under the door. Always, always,

I think Carolina. Now, at this point in my career, I definitely would set up a face to face meeting with the big boss, or even if it's just a live phone call if I can't go in person. But this time around, I would definitely show face. I feel like I'm mature enough and I understand that they value everything I gave the company and they cannot be mad at me. If I need to seek better opportunities for myself, I can't do it. I'm too emotional always. I cry when I'm mad, I cry when I'm happy, I cry

when I'm sad. Obviously, Um, I mean, there is just any reason, and you know what it is. And I always related to that. I'm so invested. I really feel, I feel a lot of things, and it's so hard for me to really just let people I don't know. I I think it's hard for me to just put up this front. Yes, I'm a strong person. Yes I'm a strong woman. I yeah, all of the things. But I just think when it's my job, because I love it so much and because I've been this invested in it,

I do get mushy. I get so that that would be a real challenge for me to do a face to face. I have to be honest. Some people welcome that face to face. They want to see that reaction. I want to see this bitch face when I tell how I'm not gonna work in no more. I really wouldn't want to do that. You love your job and you know and we love you back. So it would be, uh, it would be a hurtful moments. It'll be a breakup, you know. But some people it'll be like a sigh

of relief. Some people would quit and walk outside Carolina and kiss every stranger walking down. I'm telling you because I have a lot of friends and I hear them, and there's a lot of people are very very unhappy. So yeah, but definitely a face to face. Don't do what I used to do. Don't slide a two weeks notice and don't send an email. I feel like it's

kind of like informal. You know. I have to give credit to my old producer Colleen, because producer Colleen came to me a couple of months before she started looking at other jobs, and because we had such a great relationship. She said to me, and it was kind of the same thing. So I felt like it was reciprocated because the way that I went to Elvis when I was looking for another job, she came to me because she

knew this was my right arm, my right hand. This girl anticipated everything I was going to say before I even said it. She knew what direction I was going to go in, and so I really saw myself growing with her. And when she came to tell me, I knew how hard that had to be for her, because I know how hard it was for me when I had to have that conversation with somebody that I respected. And the minute that she said it, my heartbroke for me, obviously, because I was like, oh my gosh, what am I

gonna do without this girl? But then I said to her, look, I respect and appreciate you so much, and I love you so much. I will be here for you every step of the way. I just don't ever want to know from somebody else. Please please just keep me in the loop when you find the gig. I want to know, and let's just keep the lines of communication open. And then I did say to her, this stays between me

and you. I will not tell a soul. And I didn't because I felt like that would be so unfair for her to be looking to get out of this industry or looking to get out of this job, and to tell people her business that really wasn't my place. So I am so proud that she can confided in me, and I'm really glad that she did that, But I think it also gave me time to mentally prepare for her to exit. Carolina, You're an amazing person, but you're

also one in a million. I don't think anybody who will thinking about quitting their job would even go to their boss and say I'm thinking of quitting. I guess out of fear of being fired on the spot. You know you have tacked, you have. I guess you're caring person. Some people don't react well. Some losses do not react well to the news that you no longer want to be at the company because of a lot of different things. They have to replace you. They might feel like you're ungrateful.

And there's also the whole aspect of I no longer want a person accessing my files or accessing, you know, my records. That's no longer going to be with me. So, you know, I don't know if if you can actually confide in anyone as far as I'm not gonna I'm gonna be looking, then they feel like you're gonna be looking on their time. It's weird. You're dope. You're super dope for that. And Colleen doesn't understand how lucky she is because I know people actively searching and they are hiding.

I didn't want her to do that. Yeah, I didn't want her sneaking around. I didn't think it was fair for her for her mental load because I knew that she was still gonna help me with it. So it is a lot when you're really when you're thinking about repositioning in life and now what we're in our thirties worties. I'm in my forties, she's in her thirties, and so

I thought to myself, Okay, this is an opportunity. You can either help her support her and encourage her, or you could be an actual bitch, make her life miserable and make your own life uncomfortable. And that for me was not the move. So I I do have to say, like I give producer Calling a lot of credit, but I also think that we fostered that environment with each other.

So even though I said don't tell people, I think if there is that one person, or if you're if you have a mentor, but that's the thing, people can turn like that. Honey, that's the problem, Carolina. Let's especially, let's say like an industry where people know each other. Let's say like let's say radio. We both work in radio. Everybody knows each other in radio. There is no going to your mentor that works in another market and telling

them you want to leave. There's no such thing, because it's like everybody knows everybody, and and somebody always tells somebody. You know, you know the amount of stuff I hear, oh such and such as quitting, Oh such and such as a high it over here and they're gonna announce it in six months, and they just talk. Everybody talks. I'm like, why do I always end up knowing when

somebody's gearing up for a career changed. It's because the industry is very small, and even though New York is huge, New York is a little backyard when it comes to certain industries, and people will sabotage you too. I've noticed that in our industry. Figure I saw it when I was looking for my own co host, when I would tell people who I was thinking of having to come on the show because we did a bunch of tryouts. I tried out, I know, and I loved it, and

I was so hopeful and that got shot down. But I know, I I really, I really wanted to create a show. And I asked them, I said, can I Can I get a third mic? Can I get a co host and a third mic? Can I get two producers? Can I get? I think I asked for literally everything and a Capri Son because I'm not even joking. I asked for seriously every combination Luna and kept saying no, no, no, no no to me. But I at least love that

I tried. But there were people who were really grimy that I would say, oh, so and so is gonna come and try out with me for three days. You don't want so and so, so and so is X y Z and so and so does this. Oh and you don't even know about this about so and so, And I was like, well, damn. It really made me question. It made me question the people who were saying the trash to me because I'm like, wow, you're gonna dog

that person out before they even got a chance. That some of the people I didn't even meet in person, like I had never met, but I feel like that was so unfair, And if anything, I think I was more kind to those people because I was like, Wow, some people really are trying to throw some dirt on you. This is not cool. So you want to almost help

those people. But back to the whole like great resignation, I think that one of the most important things that you need to remember is don't blow off the exit interview. I think it's always a good look, like we to have that conversation with your manager, tell him or her where they can improve. The exit interview is where you can really get down with HR and you can let HR no, Hey, just a heads up. I was hired

to be a photographer, but now I'm a videographer. Now I'm doing social media, and now I'm doing this or that and that's where you can maybe bring some of those red flag things up to h R in your exit in a more professional way. I mean, look, I don't know. I mean we're just trying to kind of navigate through this whole thing. But I know that there are so many people who are desperate to get out of their situations because it's such a toxic environment or

because they're not seeing that growth that they expected. And I think also, you know, don't forget to you know, what you learned and what what what you know, what the career or we're working at this company taught you, you know, take away from it, you know, write it all down, but like this was my experience, this is what I learned. Kind of like wrap it all up and don't beat yourself up. Don't be like, oh, I wasted five years of my life at this horrible company.

I'm pretty sure there were good moments and I'm pretty sure that you learned a lot from you know, your current role. So give yourself a little bit of credit. Don't beat yourself up. And also ask your manager, you know, like would you be willing to give me a reference? You know, leave that door open, and you know, don't kill the relationship. Don't leave there with a stank attitude. Well yeah, and then I just thought of another thing. Social media is not your friend when you're about to

resign homies. Social media is not the spot. Don't be putting up memes. Don't be putting I mean just people can see right through that, the unhappiness, the negativity. Don't contribute to it. I've always heard as saying, and I'm gonna probably butcher it because I don't remember it verbatim, but make your moves in silence. Don't be posting it. I think there's so many people who do that. Here's your here's your quote, well, the hood version of the quote.

Real geez moving silence like lasagna. Okay, yes, exactly, Yes, that's exactly what it is. I could come to you for it. Yes, I think that's jay Z or Biggie, one of the two. Don't don't kill me for it. But yo, stay quiet. And even after you quit, Carolina, there is no reason to go on social media and vent about your coworkers, vent about the company, vent about your boss. Even if you don't name people by name, trust me, that post is gonna make it to every

single coworkers. Supervisor manager and vice president's desk. There's your employee that quit. This is what he is saying about you. And you never know when you're gonna come back, because look at me. For example, I left the company, I went to CBS. I came back to my heart because I tried to do things and the best possible in the most respectful way. Everybody has their own version of things. All you have to do is just be you're in yourself and be confident that you did it the best

way that you possibly could. So I don't know. I hope that this episode, if you know somebody who's struggling or going through this, maybe you can share it with them, because number one, they're not alone. Number Two, I think that there are a lot of people who are sitting back and really looking and thinking to themselves. Whether it's a career move, whether it is staying home for good for a short period of time, or for you know,

taking a sabbatical. Maybe you've wanted to be more creative in your life, maybe you want to write all of those things, whatever it is that you want to do. Unfortunately, for people who are not planners, I would say you've got to have a plan. You've gotta have some points and stick to them so that in the end you don't get burned. We're just looking out for you. We don't want you to burn that little hell no, and

we don't want you to burn these bridges. You know, people be like, I'm gonna burn this bridge, and you know whatever, move on. I these people like, nah, don't do that, and whatever you do. Also, make sure to write a resignation letter. Yes, yes, you have to file. Leave it for your file, you know. And here's a couple of things that you know you should make sure you hit, you know, just not your last day. Let

them know. Also, you know, appreciation and gratitude. Let them know what you're appreciative of and you know maybe um, you know, just thank them. I look forward to maybe marking with you again the same way you just said. Like, you know, it's like I'm in a position now, but let's say I moved on and then in four years they're like, wow, we have this great, you know, senior vice president position. And they're like, and I apply and

they're like wow. She was amazing. Even when she left, she was so you know, she was so gracious, she was so nice, She did it in such a good manner that you never know. You just might go back to that company later on as a big boss, and then you'll already know what to do, what not to do, and how to make sure that the culture at the company is what you would have loved. Can give one more because it's just I'm just here, this is our show,

this is us. I I would love if you are considering leaving and you've seen somebody hustling and really doing their best and trying to move up within the company, give a word of recommendation. Say, hey, this job did not work out for me, but Melissa has really shown me that she wants to grow. I think that you guys should pay some attention to her. Maybe you can provide her with some training. I think that that might be the catalyst for one person to move up in

their career. Just because it didn't work out for you doesn't mean that you can't leave. I don't know. I just I always try to look at the bright side. I always try to look at how how can we lift each other up? How can we lift up another person, whether it's a guy or girl, whoever it is. When you're leaving, if you've seen that person that's taking on three jobs. And that's always the person that you go to when you're in a pinch and you're like, damn, girl,

can you come and help me out. That's the person that you tell the big boss when you're having the conversation, thank you for everything. I'm sorry that our time is done. If I may, I do have to say I think Denise is a star. I think Denise really needs some more attention and maybe some training, and I think that you could really get a great employee out of her. I just have to give you my two cents before I leave. That is something that I think is super important.

You know what's crazy, Carolina. I got my start working as a paralegal because of a situation like that. I was just a receptionist. I was eighteen years old, and I remember right by my desk there was an older woman, maybe fifties sixties, I don't remember exactly, and she always used to be like, let me teach you this or let me teach you that, and I'm like, fine, teach me, teach me, teach me, teach me. A year goes by, she retires, and before she retired, she tells my boss,

you know who I want to have my job. You see that girl on the receptionist desk, she knows how to do everything I do. I taught her for the past year. I want you to give her my office. And Carolina, at nineteen years old, they put me in an office and I became a civil litigation paralegal and then I went to school to get my certificate and boom, I was getting that bread early in the game. What a gift. And all she had to do was have

a conversation. So think about it that way, yes, and then you know, I feel like the karma for you will grow and it will open if you if you just do your best to try to help other people out. Look, I don't know. I feel like we've definitely brought up some great points tonight. But if you want to reach out to us, well, if we hold on stretch before you patch yourself on the back. Girl, just I just feel like we just gave so much good advice today.

I really do. I really and I feel like we can pull from our own experiences and if we learned something, we can give that information to you guys so that you can do better. I always want people to do better than I did. And that's just something that I've I've always been that way. I've never been the jealous type of person where oh I don't want this person to come up because we can all eat. We can all eat, but you've got to support each other. You

put yourself in a position. Yes, there's food for everybody, I mean, gas, I don't know. I don't know if y'all can afford it right now? Can I like carpool all day? I'm serious? But no, for real, if you guys have any questions, always feel free to reach out to us. D M me at the Real Carolina. Some of you guys reached out after the last episode and I love when you give me your feedback number one. But if you have follow up questions, We're always here

for you. You guys are the reason why we do this podcast, and we can always you know, share articles, you know, if we mentioned a study, you know, just hit us up and be like, do you happen to have the link? And you know what, if we don't have it, we'll find it for you. We're here for you, We work for you. Absolutely, Yes, we are your resource, so make sure you hit us up. I'm at the Real Carolina on all social media. Follow me on a Graham I am Honey German and just Honey German on

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