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Gaslit

Jun 19, 202453 minSeason 1Ep. 41
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 We explore emotional validation and communication styles in relationships, highlighting the importance of validating emotions and distinguishing between genuine disagreement and gaslighting. Through personal anecdotes, we discuss differing communication styles, broken promises, household duties, and financial boundaries in new relationships. Packed with insights and laughs! 

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Respectful Communication and Family Dynamics

Speaker 1

It's not coming from a place to manipulate or invalidate your feelings . It's coming from a place of . We're genuinely trying to have a discussion about this topic so that we can arrive at a solution , but I'm telling you , on the road to the solution , what you're suggesting right now . It doesn't align with my belief .

Speaker 3

It doesn't align , and that's the thing too , and then I'm going to submit my points with facts and feelings .

Speaker 1

Yeah , what you think are facts yes , hey , everybody , welcome back to another episode of Life After I Do . I'm your host , nisha G , and I'm here with my husband when he's done , when he's done .

Speaker 3

Molito .

Speaker 1

Hi , hey .

Speaker 3

Booskis , you remember when you called me ?

Speaker 1

Hey there lonely girl .

Speaker 3

You don't even listen to oldies like that .

Speaker 1

Yes , I oh my god your oldies are stuff that's made in 97 I don't understand why you always try to play my life as soon as the camera starts rolling it's really disrespectful actually who's I ? Don't know who sings it , but I've listened to it since I was a child who's the best old school group of all time ? I don't know , babe , temptations , the .

Speaker 3

Whispers . I stand on that . Y'all can fight me over that .

Speaker 1

Whispers got hits boy , how was your week ? Babe , the Whispers boy , how was your week ?

Speaker 3

The Spinders are a close second . Oh gosh , the Spinders are a close second , but them Whispers . You say you love me lady . That's my shit , you know . That's how you know my stuff , because I play it . That's how you know it Really .

Speaker 1

I have a mother who was born in 1964 . Your mother was playing . Those are her oldies , I listen to them on a regular basis .

Speaker 3

Your mother was playing Betty White and Millie Jackson .

Speaker 1

How was your week , Maurice ? You know what I'm saying . How was your week , Maurice ?

Speaker 3

You know what I'm saying . How was your week , baby Lil Marvin ?

Speaker 1

Gaye , how was your week ? You know five songs , little Charlie West .

Speaker 3

You want to battle . How was your week ? My week was good until just now . Oh , just now , when my wife , who swore to love , honor and cherish , goodbye , goodbye , the vows that she doubled down on last week .

I didn't double down on anything you know , I didn't double down on anything the vows that apparently she don't uphold this week because she's being madly disrespectful today .

Speaker 1

Listen here . I stayed out of the steel mill this week . I don't know why if you listen to last week's episode you'll know .

Speaker 3

I don't know why you could go you don't know what that's about . I'll go back , so I get a paycheck .

Speaker 1

You wouldn't get anything .

Speaker 3

No , I would . I get the money .

Speaker 1

What money ?

Speaker 3

From your paycheck .

Speaker 1

Goodbye , anyway , how was your week , babe ?

Speaker 3

My week was good .

Speaker 1

Any highlights Lowlights .

Speaker 3

My last day of work Lights when I clocked out the final time this week . That was my highlight Right and my low light was when I clocked in for the first time .

Speaker 1

Oh man , it's nice to clock out though . Huh Like feeling like you get a break , like the break part .

Speaker 3

I'm so sick of this stay-at-home mom routine . You act like you're struggling so hard .

Speaker 1

First of all , I never said that , I was just merely like let me I clocked out for my regular job oh , okay .

Speaker 3

I never clock out being a husband and a father except when you need a nap no , that was a break .

Speaker 1

That was break time okay , except for when you need a break the law says I get a break .

Speaker 3

And it wasn't really a break because she was up to her dad . Dad , this happened . Dad Dad , can you do this ?

Speaker 1

Okay . So first you had set her up with the game and then I didn't know how to get back to the game . So I was like you got to go ask your dad and I knew you hadn't fallen asleep yet . So I was like hurry up and ask him before he actually like dozes off and go to sleep .

Then the next time I sent her up there , I sent her up there to get my headphones and she .

Speaker 3

But you gotta say she busted .

Speaker 1

I know she barges through the door she busted her door like she 5-0 .

Speaker 3

She busted her . What ? Mommy just wants her headphones and she looking at me as she walk . She walking , looking at me and I'm like , get the damn headphones . That's why I'm going to lock this goddamn door . Y'all doing them . I'm just trying to get a couple minutes of sleep .

Speaker 1

Must be nice .

Speaker 3

Must be nice ,

Domestic Chores and Work-Life Balance

man . I got up early today while y'all was snoring , both of y'all .

Speaker 1

That's from the night . We were still in slumber from the night .

Speaker 3

That's the cold bar . When I got out of the bed , she realized I wasn't next to her , no more , because she was emitting , you know , a 1000 degree Celsius heat off her body . Kelvin , I'm sorry , Kelvin is the word I was looking for . And so when she realized I wasn't there , she said and she went and cuddled with you . I said I don't care .

I said you shouldn't be in my bed .

Speaker 1

And then when I got up she turned over . She was like good morning mom . I said I don't care . I said you shouldn't be in my bed . And then when I got up she turned over . She was like good morning Mom .

Speaker 3

I was like good morning . She was like , can you get me some breakfast ?

Speaker 1

And then she went back to sleep . She just be talking on her ass . Yeah , but the first thing she did ask for when she actually woke up , when I were on your way back home , she was like did dad have to go to work today ?

Speaker 3

And I was like no , why does she ?

Speaker 1

care , she was asleep . I was like no , she was like okay , good .

Speaker 3

She was knocked out .

Speaker 2

That girl was knocked out .

Speaker 1

She was tired . I woke up and Like when we got home yesterday we were tired because I didn't realize like we were gone from 10 to like 6 30 .

I was going all day and we were going all freaking day and then on top of that it was hot and then I did all that driving and I was like when I got home I showered I said oh , oh , no , I'm , I'm tired , oh , but you don't say why I'm tired boy . Please cut it out . Cut it out . No one ever said I didn't know when you retire don't forget .

I do know what it feels like to actually work as well you , you do something one day . Really .

Speaker 3

Really , how was your week , babe ? How was your week ? You're looking good with this lipstick on . I like it .

Speaker 1

Thank you , I got something for you later .

Speaker 3

My week was it doesn't matter how your week was Jabroni . I can't stand you . Yeah , jabroni , my week was okay . Jabroni , I can't stand you yeah .

Speaker 1

Jabroni , my week was okay . Actually it was uneventful , just trying to get ready for all the things that's coming up .

Speaker 3

Oh , my God .

Speaker 1

The playdates are starting to roll in , oh my . God , the text messages are starting to come through .

Speaker 3

Oh , my God .

Speaker 1

Yeah , so you know that's where I'll be at the gym , the studio , a park .

Speaker 3

Somebody else's house . Somebody else's house or the pool . Sounds like fun , sounds like cocktails and there's no cocktails involved . Sharkoochie boards .

Speaker 1

Bye . There's no cocktails involved . No , but I did . I did get back to like working out this week .

Speaker 3

So that was good . I got a great workout for you .

Speaker 1

I know .

Speaker 3

Hands on your knees , knees like Megan Bye .

Speaker 1

Knees . Like Megan , I'm not doing this with you today , but yeah , my week was pretty good . Nothing really too eventful , just enjoying summer break , enjoying the kid Wait y'all get breaks , trying to keep her busy .

Speaker 3

Wow , y'all get breaks . What's that like ?

Speaker 1

It's like when you take four-hour naps in the middle of the day .

Speaker 3

I was tired . Don't come to me .

Speaker 1

It's like when you take four-hour naps in the middle of the day , uninterrupted .

Speaker 3

I wasn't uninterrupted I didn't even know when you were asleep .

Speaker 1

You were uninterrupted I was .

Speaker 3

That's what it's kind of like .

Speaker 1

I was knocked because I don't know what it's like to take a four-hour nap in the middle of the day , like the mid , like the the bulk , like in the middle .

Speaker 3

Look here uninterrupted for nine months out of the year , interrupted nine months out of the year she's at school . That's crazy . From 7 40 , from 7 30 to 2 o'clock .

Speaker 1

If you come home and go to sleep at a 10 okay , you can get , you know that does not work and I have tried , I have tried . We have literally had this conversation before don't get mad at me .

Speaker 3

Your brain treats you bad .

Speaker 1

Really , because my brain treats me bad . Okay , goodbye , I'm not doing this Anywho . Yeah , but other than that , on a scale of 1 to 10 , I give it a solid 7 .

Speaker 3

That's low .

Speaker 1

A 7 ? I think that's like solid .

Speaker 3

I'm changing the rules .

Speaker 1

The rules to what .

Speaker 3

Because I feel like 7 is the number people give out when they just don't want to be mean .

Speaker 1

I wouldn't be being mean to myself . I gave my personal week a seven .

Speaker 3

It's just I don't like it . I say a seven because there's more I could have done . It doesn't matter , Jabroni .

Speaker 1

But the things that needed to get done got done .

Speaker 3

Oh , there's definitely more you could have done . We don't want to have that conversation really there is really definitely more really like what ?

Speaker 1

huh , yeah , don't , don't , don't show your ass don't show your ass on this podcast , because you know you lose every single time you try to go up against me . It never works in your favor .

Speaker 3

I won you . You're my wife , goodbye .

Speaker 1

I cannot lose . You didn't win me .

Speaker 3

I won your heart and that ass . Okay , anywho I worked this week I checked my time card 63 ?

Speaker 1

Close . I know you worked 63 last week too .

Speaker 3

This is ridiculous , it's really not . You worked 63 last week too . That's ridiculous . It's really not . Somebody need to give me a break .

Speaker 1

Give me a break . Give me a break , okay , you what we got today .

Speaker 3

Break me off a piece of that good , good bar . You ain't got no soul .

Speaker 1

You said you didn't want a break . I said , babe , I'm going to tap in , but then when I tap in like you're gonna have to tap in on these dishes and tap in on this cleaning I can tap in .

Speaker 3

I can tap in on on on dishes and cooking .

Speaker 1

I can't do cleaning when I say dishes , the dishes is like the whole kitchen babe oh no , I'm not , I just work , I'm gonna work , I'm gonna work , I'd be like . Be like when you used to . You used to be like oh , I cleaned the kitchen . I'd be like , oh , okay . I'm going to wash the dishes , the dishes is washed , but then I look at the microwave .

I look at the stove , the countertop , like the cupboard , the front part of the cupboard . I'm like , did you sweep and mop the floor ?

Speaker 3

I did . Sometimes I do , sometimes I do . I just try to make sure there ain't no dishes , because I know the dishes is the way it get on your nerves .

Speaker 1

The dishes and the stove , just like when I took that picture and texted it to you , we got a stove , texted it to you this cat , okay , hold on y'all .

Speaker 2

Hold on Now . You just triggered me , I triggered you .

Speaker 1

Okay , we got to get into the topic and you're either boiling something or , if you're frying something , and we don't fry nothing here .

Speaker 3

What are you talking about ? I ?

Speaker 1

know , I'm just saying for context .

Speaker 3

Okay .

Speaker 1

If you're boiling something or frying something and how it starts popping or it spills out of the pan or something gets onto the stove . Right , this cat was boiling . I don't know what you were boiling , maybe it was the turkey necks or something for the cabbage , I don't know . I can't remember what he was boiling . But I go to look at the stove .

We have a stove cover that we put on . Like once you clean the stove , you put the stove cover on and I go to take the stove cover off and I look at the stove and there's clear , it's clear , clearly . You spilled something on the stove and you were the last person . You . He soars up and down . He didn't see it .

It's not possible that you did not see the spill that you made while cooking . It's not possible . And I legit took , I picked up my phone , I took a picture of it and I sent it to him and I said you know , this is a shame .

Speaker 2

This is , and then his response was I didn't see it .

Speaker 1

You absolutely did . You just didn't clean it .

Speaker 3

Just be happy I cooked you a meal I don't see why you complain , because it does no good if it's your turn to cook look here it's your turn to cook and clean .

Speaker 1

Obviously it defeats the purpose , otherwise I might as well just get in there and do it myself it's been rather warm lately and it's warm today .

Speaker 3

you have a sweater on , so obviously your AC works .

Speaker 1

My AC has always worked .

Speaker 3

Your lights are on .

Speaker 1

Uh-huh .

Speaker 3

Your gas is on . You can wash your clothes . You can wash your ass in hot water . Yeah , I'm doing my part .

Speaker 1

Goodbye .

Speaker 3

Goodbye , you got smack noodles today .

Speaker 1

Shout out to Smack Noodle City on Instagram . If you guys have not had Schmack Noodle City , their pad thai non-spicy . Are we plugging ?

Speaker 3

people now I don't do spicy .

Speaker 1

I just want to do that because it's my favorite . I don't mind that only because it's something I genuinely like .

Speaker 3

So yeah , oh , okay , we shout out stuff we genuinely like .

Speaker 1

Shout out to my wife Maurice . What we got today I'm so done with you . I'm so done with you . It's a video I want to read . I want , I can't . It's a video reaction . It's a video reaction for you , so I want you to take a listen and just , you know the usual business A gather , a gather .

Speaker 2

Your partner I don't agree , I disagree . Stop telling your partner I don't agree , I disagree . That's gaslighting . You don't have to agree with your partner , but you must validate your partner . Validation I am making valid what you are feeling in this moment . I am validating in this moment your sadness . You see how that sounds versus .

I disagree with your sadness . Stop it . If we spent more time validating in this moment your sadness you see how that sounds versus . I disagree with your sadness . Stop it . If we spent more time validating .

We never have to bring up the disagreement because we're so focused on validating , we're so focused on understanding , we're so focused on getting into where they are , we're so focused on diving in that pool . If your partner's drowning in their emotions , in their feelings , and you dive in the pool , now is not the time to talk about safety .

Now is not the time to talk about how they should have . Saw the sign on the gate that said no swimming after five . That's not the time to do that . Get in the pool , save your spouse . Focus on feelings . Talk about facts . Later an ambulance goes to hurt , help an injured person . They're bleeding . Get that person bandaged up .

Get and then talk about okay , why were you smoking crack in the first place .

Speaker 1

You know that's the part that took me out and then talk about why you were smoking crack in the first place you know okay . So I know I okay for me , first go ahead . I don't . I know he . He says that that's gaslighting , like when you're in a discussion with your partner and you're like I don't agree , that's gaslighting for me .

Personally , I don't constitute that as gaslighting . Um , I agree , I don't constitute that as gaslighting .

Speaker 3

I agree .

Speaker 1

I don't constitute that as gaslighting . However , however , I can see how some might see it through that that lens . You know what I mean , but I personally don't see it as gaslighting , for one of the major reasons is I mean , you know me playing both sides . I mean , you know me playing both sides .

I don't see it as a form of manipulation , but I could see how some people could use it as a form of manipulation by making a statement like that .

Speaker 2

So you're saying the intent matters .

Speaker 1

Oh , absolutely .

Speaker 3

Always Okay .

Speaker 1

Always , but , like I know , through discussions , like when we're having disagreements or something you've said that to me before Like I disagree or like I don't see it that way , or like we've had that discussion , but then the other side to that is the discussion of like I mean not the discussion , but having the empathy and the the strength to validate each

other's feelings . Does that make sense ? Because I think really what he's talking about is not validating or emotionally validating your partner , Right .

Speaker 3

See , I have an issue with this Issue , with what A bunch of things .

Speaker 1

Okay , let's run it down Right , give it to me .

Speaker 3

So here's my thing I'm not saying he's wrong , I'm not saying he's right . I think it depends on it . I think it depends on the situation and it depends on the intent , and so my response is going to be coming from a person with good intent . Right Now .

My thing is that I can validate your feelings and say I understand you feel this way , but you're wrong in your feelings Not necessarily wrong in your feelings , but your outlook isn't correct at the time , right .

Speaker 1

But that's not for you to say .

Speaker 3

Okay , hold on Okay .

Speaker 1

But if we're talking about something where it factually what you're saying does not make sense , it is okay if if there's proven hardcore right .

Speaker 3

If there's right right , because you've like , I can tell you up and down that you can . You can say right now , you can say that your lipstick is blue and cry about it when I tell you , no , it's red factually , your lipstick is red right now . I mean it's not . Majority of society would agree that it's red .

Speaker 1

Factually , your lipstick is red right now . I mean majority of society would agree that it is red . But some parts of society will also say that it is blue .

Speaker 3

Okay , whatever , you go ahead on me . So my thing is , I don't see that as gaslighting , because I feel like part of that depending on the circumstance and the situation part of that is that you're also telling the person to accept accountability for what you just did .

Right , because you can feel bad or feel upset , or even feel like sadness in a situation where they're not and being the wrong right Me telling you that I don't agree or that you shouldn't do that . That's not invalidating your feelings . That's me going to the facts of the situation .

I'm going to help you out in that situation , but we're also I do agree at the time that you don't have to have that conversation at that time , all the time , but also , but when we have that conversation , I'm going to tell you that no , you were wrong , you shouldn't have been doing this , and this is the way I see things .

I don't agree with the way you chose to handle this situation or this particular task .

Speaker 1

Okay , but you have to speak the facts , you have to speak to the facts , but not in the moment . So I think what he's saying in the clip is like to the moment .

Emotional Validation in Communication

Speaker 3

Okay , so that I agree with In the moment .

Speaker 1

It's important to validate emotionally .

Speaker 3

Okay , here's the thing , See , and I don't know , people may think I'm an asshole for this In a moment . I feel like I have to validate your feelings in order for us to have an honest conversation later .

Speaker 1

Like to get through what we're going through now so that we can actually talk about what we need to talk about .

Speaker 3

I need you to get through whatever you're feeling now so we can get back happen when emotions are not running , so when emotions are not high and how we're going to proceed , moving forward okay , so that part I agree I do agree in the moment .

In the moment , you have to just accept it , right yeah because a lot of times I do feel like when emotions are heightened um there's no rationality no , and there's a lot of blockades right .

Speaker 1

There's a lot of I do ?

Speaker 3

I do agree with the fact that sometimes you need to let things settle down . Let's's just focus . Let's just focus , as he was saying , let's just focus on , like , the mental state .

Speaker 1

The matter at hand right now .

Speaker 3

Your mental matter at hand . So let's get you out of this situation . But then , after we're done with this situation , I'm going to ask you why you smoking crack Like Once I get you out the pool once .

Speaker 1

I get you out the pool , then I'm going to ask Did you not see the sign Did ? You not see the sign Right ? That said no swimming after five .

Speaker 3

But see , my problem is that it's hard to continue to do that when you come across situations to where you're always , because you have people out here who are very emotional .

Speaker 1

Yeah .

Speaker 3

And their emotions dictate their responses . Their reactions .

Speaker 1

That's a human thing .

Speaker 3

I understand that . Right , but they're overly emotional .

Speaker 1

I'm talking about the overly emotional people right .

Speaker 3

Where I'm talking about the people that you look at them without saying something . They'll start crying because they just , in their mind , they've made up what you're going to say right . So in those instances you got to address that in the moment , because you know , like I don't think , because you know like I disagree , that's fine . You can do it again .

And I also think , like what just happened now , I also think it depends on the dynamic of the relationship because , like I understand , I understand , like when I tell you or when you tell me that you disagree , you agree that it's not necessary . That's not you invalidating what I feel .

Speaker 1

Right .

Speaker 3

You're just saying that I don't feel the same way about this as you .

Speaker 1

And I think that's because you know me .

Speaker 3

And I know you , and you know where that's coming from , and you know where that's coming from .

Speaker 1

Stop it . And you know where that's coming from , that thing . You know where . Babe , stop you . Look good , I'm sorry . You know it's not coming from a place to manipulate or invalidate your feelings . It's coming from a place of .

We're genuinely trying to have a discussion about this topic so that we can arrive at a solution , but I'm telling you , on the road to the solution , what you're suggesting right now . It doesn't align with my belief .

Speaker 3

It doesn't align , and that's the thing too , and then I'm going to submit my points with facts and feelings . Yeah , what you think are facts yes , I disagree . Points with facts and feelings yeah , what you think are facts , yes , I disagree .

Speaker 1

You call that you think you slick . I mean , we've had some come on now . I feel like we've had some discussions where I was spitting what I thought was facts and you were like and then you were spitting what you thought were facts , and I was was like you tried it , though I had to be rabid .

Speaker 3

You tried it , though you need to get the reference .

Speaker 1

No , the rap reference .

Speaker 3

Be rabid the rap reference .

Speaker 1

Yes , the rap reference . I had to be rabid , you're going to get enough of underestimating me .

Speaker 3

I don't mind being under you at all .

Speaker 1

Goodbye , but yeah , so I think that is not a form of manipulation only because manipulation has , like you're trying to , or gaslighting . I'm sorry , gaslighting has manipulation in it is what I was trying to say Right , but you're gaslighting to get a reaction . Right right .

Speaker 3

Or you're trying to manipulate them into believing something that you know not to be true , which is essentially trying to manipulate them into believing something that you know not to be true , which is like essentially trying to drive them crazy , right , and I've said this to a couple of friends Like no , you're being gaslit , yeah , like when you , from the outside ,

my view , you take it how you want to take it , yeah , but it looks like you just they're gaslighting you , right and so , and you're falling for it .

Speaker 1

You're falling for it because they're getting a reaction out of you . They're making you second guess your feelings and your thoughts and your emotions .

Speaker 3

And the thing is is that you're sitting here and you're letting your emotions take the best of you . You're letting your emotions blur the facts in front of you .

Speaker 1

Yeah , yeah . And so I think when there is a form of gaslighting that's happening like if there is not the intent of it being genuine , and you do have somebody who's using that line of I , I disagree , I disagree , and then they're kind of like turning it back onto you and now making you second guess how you feel that that is gaslighting .

Speaker 3

I just thought you know who's been gaslighting me recently don't , don't say our child all right , that's who , that's who it is . I've been wanting to smart , smart to kick this little child . Sometimes that's who , that's who it is . I've been wanting to smart , smart to kick this little child .

Speaker 1

So she's not gaslighting you .

Speaker 3

Yeah , she , she's very much in her child manipulation bag . She in her bag Cause she be tugging at my heartstrings and she's testing boundaries . And she's .

Speaker 1

She's just trying to figure out the button .

Speaker 3

She North Korea right now .

Speaker 1

Okay , bye right now . Okay , bye , that's . That's what she is . Back back to the back to the subject right now . Back to the subject , and I'm about to launch these missiles . Um , yes , I do . I do agree from the perspective of using that statement .

I disagree in the form of gaslighting , where it's manipulating the partner disagree no , I'm saying through the scope , like I could also see how he would say through the scope .

Speaker 3

What are your intellectual goodbye ? I can also see how he would say .

Speaker 1

Through the scope . What are you intellectual Goodbye . I can also see how he is saying that it could be a form of gaslighting if the person is intentionally using it to manipulate and invalidate your feelings yes , and that's why I said the intent . That can be true .

Speaker 3

Two things can be true at the same time and that's why I said the intent matters and that's why I said my response is coming from someone with good intent .

Speaker 1

Yeah .

Speaker 3

Right Now . If my intent is to , if my intentions are bad , yeah , I'm gaslighting you , Because I'm doing this for somewhat of my music and my satisfaction .

Speaker 1

Or just to get out of it .

Speaker 3

Right .

Speaker 1

To make use . So here's my thing .

This is what I just thought about this If every time you go into a disagreement or an argument with your partner and you are left feeling like you're questioning yourself , questioning your feelings , you're a little bit confused in your mind , like you went in with clear , clear , um , like a clear direction and explaining to them how you feel and how something made

you feel , and then it gets turned back on you and now you're feeling like , well , damn , he's right , like I shouldn't feel this way because he , like you , know what I mean . Like if you come , if you came to me and said like um , I don't know , just something random .

Like , oh , I feel like I've been doing such , such , such and this , this , that and the third for you , I also did this . And did you forget that I also did such and such ? And I start flipping it back on you . And now the concern that you came to me with you're just like , well , damn , she right , she , she's been doing this , that and the third .

And here I am being ungrateful and that's a form of manipulation .

Speaker 3

That works two ways . That wouldn't work for me because I'd be like those things ain't important . You're missing out on what's important to me , right ?

Speaker 1

now . But that could be a form of manipulation , because then now that left the person feeling like , well damn , I'm not valid in the concern that I have and . I brought to him because you know he does do this and All I'm sitting here doing is complaining , and maybe I you know what I mean . Now , that is gaslighting .

Speaker 3

Right and from what you're saying like that , to me that just sounds like a basic disconnect .

Speaker 1

That's a big disconnect .

Speaker 3

Okay right .

Speaker 1

Because if that's the situation every time you go into a disagreement , that's not a disconnect , that's toxic and I hate to use like mainstream verbiage like that , but that's toxic .

Speaker 3

Is it masculine toxicity ?

Speaker 1

That's not a thing , but go ahead .

Speaker 3

But , like I was saying , so that's a disconnect , and I was going to say a disconnect of huge proportion , right ? And a lot of times , like when it's that big , that's something that can't be fixed with a conversation .

Sometimes those are things that may be deal breakers , because if you just can't see things the way I see them , and you're not even trying to meet me where I see them , but you just want me to be okay with the way things are , that's an issue for me , right ?

So like if I told you every day , like , um , I'm trying to think of an example with us , right ? Um , I don't want to start no arguments , so , like , real quick .

Speaker 1

That was good . I don't want to start no argument .

Speaker 3

Right , so like , if I think about , like Just think of something random . Like the thing with the alarm clock right .

Speaker 1

Okay , oh , you decided and that's what you leaned on .

Speaker 3

Yes , alina , right , so it was like Not a good idea , right , I didn't want to start an argument , but at the same time , now in hindsight , I didn't convey to you just how big of a deal it was for me , right , right .

Speaker 1

So it was kind of like my fault , but in the moment I felt like , hey , I've been dropping all these hints trying to get her to understand that I guess she just don't care . So that was so , that was yeah , because it's kind of like how men say we can't read your minds to women .

It's kind of like the same thing , but I have said those words Because you know I'm not a rabbit , so you can't just like leave crumbs and then expect me to be like hopping on the crumbs and like picking them up so I can get the gist of what you're trying to say .

Speaker 3

If you can text me and say who the hell is this ? Just comment on your Facebook post . You can re-chrome .

Speaker 1

First of all , I have never texted you and asked you who commented on your Facebook post . Please don't get in front of the camera and lie in front of these people . Please don't do that . Don't do that . When have I done that ? I don't recall . Okay , I'll show you a text message , okay , show me because I don't remember but yeah , that's what I'm saying .

Speaker 3

It's a disconnect .

Speaker 1

Okay , so now my question to you would be you got a lot of questions . How do you okay ? So let's say you have a friend who comes to you and your friend is like you know , my girl is gaslighting me , or vice versa , whatever . How do you like ? What advice would you give someone who's being gaslit ?

Speaker 3

What advice would I give them ? Yeah , what advice would you give them ? I would say you have to find within yourself that makes you trigger so easily . First , because when they gaslight you , they're triggering you , they're triggering their emotions in you to trigger their response .

Yeah , but , it's more of a manipulation Right , so I would say that you need to practice being outside of the situation .

Speaker 1

Thinking of it from yeah , Okay .

Speaker 3

So my initial reaction would be look at it , look at everything , think about everything before you react . Period , right ? So no matter what is being said , no matter who it's coming from , before you respond , think about what was said , think about how you respond and how , how you want to respond .

Think about how you want to respond and then think about what was said think about how you respond and how and how you want to respond . Think about how you want to respond and then think about how you want to respond will be portrayed and then respond like , how ?

Speaker 1

like your response , what is right ? What is the ? What is the result that you're trying to get from your response ? Right and I think that's really important because I , you know , a few pods back , like when I have said to you where , before I called you with something , I really had to really check myself , like don't have an attitude , don't raise your voice .

Speaker 2

Don't have attitude in your voice .

Speaker 1

And you know I sandwiched you a lot . I always Oreo him . Like I start . You know what I mean Like , but that's me being intentional .

Speaker 3

But you're not my manager .

Speaker 1

I know I'm not trying to be your manager .

Speaker 3

I'm not trying to be your manager but I also know that I have to handle you Now , I'm thinking about it you can train my managers because they could do a better job .

Speaker 1

I have to hand . I don't like using it in this context , but for lack of better verbiage , I have to handle you a certain way when it comes to engaging in conversations that I think , stop it . That I think could potentially turn confrontational or turn into an argument .

I have to be mindful of the words that I use , the tone that I use , the time in which I talk to you , which you know , sometimes for me it'd be too much to consider , Like sometimes for me just be , it'd be too much to consider , like sometimes I really just gotta have the conversation .

But I know that I also don't want , I don't want to distract I don't want to distract you from what it is . I'm actually trying to convey to you , right like I'm really trying to get you to understand where I'm coming from like this is my feeling you're so . You're being purposeful with your words and your timing and my timing and .

Speaker 3

I appreciate that , because that matters .

Speaker 1

It does matter .

Speaker 3

Because you want to trigger a response of open dialogue and not a response of resistance .

Speaker 1

Right , and I genuinely want you to .

Communication Styles in Relationships

I don't necessarily want to say I genuinely want you to understand where I'm coming from , but I genuinely want you to see my perspective about it , because what I've learned in the eight years of being married to you , is that when we have disagreements or when I'm trying to convey something to you , trying to get you to feel the way that I feel is not going

to work because you and I are completely different people , right ? So instead of me trying to get you to like I just want you to understand how I feel . I just want you're not going to understand how I feel . And that's why , when I have certain conversations with you , I try not to take it the emotional route as much , because that doesn't translate to you .

It has to be the OK , let me . Let me tell it from a like a more clear perspective about logistics or about how the structure is going to work or how the .

Speaker 3

You do a good job of conveying how you feel to me , and not necessarily how you feel , but how I made you feel , by how I either said something or reacted to something . Right right that you do , and I don't feel like you attack me . I feel like that's just you giving me a review of my interaction with you , right .

Speaker 1

Like when I asked you , when you said , oh , what was it ? I think the perfect example was that was you had asked me to it had something to do with our cards . You had asked me to , like , go to the bank or something to put money in this account , or something like that . And I had asked you okay , why ? What's wrong with the ?

Speaker 3

card that you have , and then you were like , like you were really holding , you were really holding your frustration , and so then that caused me ?

Speaker 1

well , that had caught . No , you didn't already explain it to me ? You got annoyed that I was asking you questions and you were like this is just something that needs to be done and I just need you to take care of it .

Because that's what's like it was in front of you at that moment and because it was important at that moment and it had to do with our finances , you're like like you were basically telling me I don't need you to ask any questions right now , just take care of it .

And so then of course , that resulted in me like okay , well , I didn't need the attitude , like I didn't need the attitude , like I think that was a little rude and a little disrespectful . But instead of coming at you like what the hell you mad about , or you know what I mean , it was just I was just kindly reminding you .

Hey , I didn't deserve , I didn't deserve the attitude that you just gave me , you just sound just like your mama right now . I didn't deserve the attitude that you gave me and the way you did I not , and I said the way you responded to me I feel is a little disrespectful .

Speaker 3

Oh well , you always Didn't I , but didn't I not say that ?

Speaker 1

And then , you kind of like relaxed and calmed down . And then it was like you took a moment in your brain like OK , she , she may be right or whatever , and I need her to get this done .

So it was more like I apologize , I didn't mean to come off so strongly , but this is why I need you to do such and such , because in my mind I'm like there's certain times where we talk and it's like , okay , I'll explain Other times .

Speaker 3

I just need to get this shit done .

Speaker 1

Right , and that's what I said . That's where the space you were coming from and I'm like , I'm not and a lot of like , like .

Speaker 3

I understand that I don't have to explain myself and I'm not saying that I'm not willing to explain myself to you because I love you , but it's sometimes I'm like just do what the hell I asked you to do , right but on the same token , I we do have situations like that where you've asked me to do something and I'm just like I don't even care to inquire why

you're asking me to do it .

Speaker 1

I just I'm like , okay , let me just do it . But in the times where I ask you why I am entitled to an answer .

Speaker 3

You are entitled to an answer . I'm entitled to an answer .

Speaker 1

No , that's not how that works .

Speaker 3

When I'm ready . You can't force me to talk to you . No , and you can't force me to do , I will hush the rest of this episode .

Speaker 1

And then you can't force you to stop , like you have found out in the past . You also know that that type of attitude doesn't fly with me because I know my partner . So it's like if , if , if I need a little bit more security in the form of an explanation to have a better understanding , then I'm like , okay , yeah , I'm gonna go ahead and do it .

But if it's something that you're asking me to do and I'm like , okay , I need a little bit more clarification , like I want to know why you're moving X amount of money over here . I want to know why you're cashing X amount of money out , like those are . Those are things that I'm going to need you to explain .

Speaker 3

I'm going to need you to explain right now , because my side chick needs something .

Speaker 1

I'm going to need you to explain right now .

Speaker 3

Because my side chick needs something .

Speaker 1

Good damn . Bye , maurice , goodbye , you haven't even been at the steel mill . Please , Please , you haven't even been at the steel mill . Cut it out .

Broken Promises and Household Responsibilities

But like , again going back to the beginning , like you said , that's also about knowing the type of partner you have Right , the type of partner you have right .

So if you have somebody who's constantly throwing things back on you and leaving you more confused and more emotional after you walk away from trying to have a discussion about either your feelings or a certain situation , then I think that needs to be re-evaluated .

Speaker 3

I would say even to the point of the video right . I feel like consistent , broken promises is more gaslighting than me telling you and validating your feelings in the moment . I feel like that's more damaging .

Speaker 1

Consistent broken promises Right .

Speaker 3

Like if you keep telling me you're going to do something and you don't follow through with something consistently . Like if you keep telling me you're going to do something and you don't follow through with something consistently , and now and now , like I , I my my first reaction to anything you tell me like okay , we'll see .

Speaker 1

Like well , yeah , because now you've set a precedent that it's it's not going to get done . You know it's . It's kind of like if you tell me you know like you get that G wagon . Yeah , you're good , I'm bye . You ain , you get that .

Speaker 3

G-Wagon . Yeah Bye , you ain't getting that G-Wagon .

Speaker 1

Goodbye , I will one day . Maybe , tomorrow , even if I'm 80 .

Speaker 3

I can get you a model .

Speaker 1

You know what that's probably . You know what that's not a bad idea , that's where you start . Give me a model so I can put it on my desk , and every time I'm at my desk and I'm doing something , I'm going to look at it and I'm going to be like you know what .

Speaker 3

Alright , it didn't work .

Speaker 1

Sorry , got distracted and sidetracked it . Yeah , I forgot what I was saying because you distracted me .

Speaker 3

That's why I said that .

Speaker 1

You always distract me , purposely . Stop it Anyway , yes , so I do think that that's grounds for reevaluate Broken promises .

Speaker 2

Yes , Thank you .

Speaker 1

So if you're constantly dealing with broken promises , like you're constantly telling me you're going to do something and you never come through , then it's just like anything you say after that .

Speaker 3

Because I'm looking at it from the angle of if you promise me something and I get my hopes up , and then you don't meet , and then you promise me and I get my hopes up , you don't meet right .

So over time , you literally have crushed my expectations of you , you've lowered them , and then at some point I'm going to question myself , like why do I keep allowing this to happen to me , like to happen to me , like .

So that's why I said , like , I feel like that's , that's gas , that gaslighting is way more damaging than me telling you , hey , I understand , you said , but get your ass out the water right now .

Speaker 1

Really .

Speaker 3

And stop smoking crack .

Speaker 1

When he said that , I was like wow . Stop smoking , that crack but you know , what I did like what he said is , um , what he said something to the along the lines of worry about , like the emotions right now and the facts later .

Speaker 3

Yeah , that , I think that's very much true , because and I I think that's true I think that's true in extreme situations I think you mean like I don't like because , like if you're going through a traumatic experience , yes , I have to worry about your emotions .

Speaker 2

Right .

Speaker 3

We'll deal with the facts of how we got here after you calm down Right . I don't think that applies to every situation , right ?

Okay , if I told you to do something and you don't do it , or if I asked you to do something , to have something done and you don't do it , right , I'm not going to sit here and say I'm not going to validate the fact that you were sad and that's why you couldn't finish .

No , the fact of the matter is , you're not going to use your feelings as an excuse to get out of what you didn't do . You're not going to use your feelings as a way to not take accountability for your lack of time management . That's what we're not going to do . At some point , I feel like and this may be harsh I feel like this may be harsh .

I feel like we're all adults , we all have , we're all stressed , we all get sad everybody has something going on . We all get depressed and most people have a 10 times worse thing right , right , but at the end of the day I have to put my pants on and still do what I have to do .

So like for me , especially like this last month how I've been working all these hours . I'm like I don't want to hear what you ain't have time to do . You know how much I've been killing myself . I don't care how you feel . You think I , you think I want to walk out .

Speaker 1

Oh wow , is that how you feel about me ?

Speaker 3

I mean , I care how you feel , but oh , I care how you feel the truth , I care how you feel . I just don't . I don't care about you being . I don't care about you , uh , being a little sad today . I need you to go ahead and make sure , wow wow , I don't care about you being a little sad today .

Speaker 1

I need you to get that's funny because if I look an ounce sad , the first person that be in my face is you . What's going on ? I care about you , but you just said you know I don't care about you being a little sad .

Speaker 3

I don't care about you being sad and the fact that you still got to get shit done .

Speaker 1

Oh well . I mean so you could be sad I get through the things that I have to get done anyway . Sad , sad and depressed .

Speaker 3

So what I'm saying is you could be sad , but make sure them dishes is clean .

Speaker 1

Good damn bye . Good damn bye , DeMille . Good damn bye . You could be sad , Just make sure you could be sad . But I need uniforms for this week . Just make sure you can be sad . But I still want chicken salad . Hey , you can be sad and depressed , but the bathroom needs to be cleaned .

Speaker 3

Well , I mean , as long as the shower is clean , I don't really care about the toilet . I stand up .

Speaker 1

Absolutely Wait . That just reminded me . Somebody posted a picture .

Speaker 3

Because I got three options the toilet Wait , Somebody posted the picture .

Speaker 1

Because I got three options the toilet Wait , somebody posted the picture of the side of the toilet and it says this is how you know the bathroom is clean If the side of the toilet is clean . If the side of your toilet is dirty , your bathroom is dirty , oh , so . Good damn bye . Good damn bye . You know , the side of my toilet is not dirty . Cut it out .

We made an agreement that he would not clean bathrooms a decade ago . He cleaned a bathroom . We had a one-bedroom apartment and he called himself cleaning the bathroom . One day he was like babe , I cleaned the bathroom . I walked in that bathroom . I was like you mean , you cleaned the shower , you didn't clean that mirror , you didn't clean the toilet .

I can't clean toilets .

Speaker 3

I can't Look at the toilet . It's in the bathroom . I can't do it . I did the floors and the tub and the sink , that's it . That's all I want . I can't do toilets .

Speaker 1

I said was , I said okay , so I can see .

Speaker 3

Now we need to set like some ground rules . So for the past , what 12 , 13 years for ?

Speaker 1

the past 22 years . Basically , he doesn't clean bathrooms , but I also don't check the mail , I don't take out the trash , I don't break down boxes and you have a lot of boxes shipped here and what's , what's funny but here's the thing . What's funny is , when we moved here , I remember the first time I had to check the mail .

It was probably like we were here maybe a year , I think like a year or something . And the only reason why I wanted to check the mail is because I had something coming and I was getting impatient and I was like damn , which one's our mailbox and which one's the mailbox key and you know who had to show me where my mailbox was your daughter .

Your daughter mailbox key and you know who had to show me where my daughter was your daughter , your daughter wait so ?

Speaker 3

no , that wasn't even a year . Because she was like , she was like three , she was like three or four because it's our little thing oh wow , so that was yeah because our little thing is anytime I go to my box . Yes , she would go with you .

Speaker 1

She has to go with me and I remember I had to go to the mailbox and I was gonna call you and she was with me and she's like , she's like pointing , like it's this one , and I was like , oh shit , you know where the mail is . Look at you , you're so smart .

Speaker 3

I ain't checked the mail in three weeks .

Speaker 1

And don't pay me no mind , Ain't nothing out there . I was like and everything's digital anyway . Everything's online and you get like notifications .

Speaker 2

Right .

Speaker 1

And I'm not concerned because I get a notification every time my bill gets paid .

Speaker 3

So as long as .

Speaker 1

I get a bill notification that it's paid . I don't really care . So I mean your final thoughts on that . My final thoughts are I don't believe telling your partner that you disagree is gaslighting . I think that was the wrong .

Speaker 3

I agree .

Speaker 1

Wrong word to use gaslighting , I think that was the wrong word to use . I do , however . I , however , can see that using those particular words like I disagree , can be a form of invalidation , depending on what you're talking about to your partner , but I don't believe that it's gaslighting .

But I do believe that it could be a form of like invalidating them emotionally , especially if you're in a heated debate like if you guys are going back and forth , nobody's listening to each other or whatever and then they say something you're like oh , I completely disagree , I complete . And then they're like of course you do , because you always do .

Then like that , then yes , like you're not gonna get anywhere , okay I agree , I agree , that's it , you agree , I agree . I can't with you , so yeah I disagree about that .

Speaker 3

You can with me you what you can with me I can what you just said . I can't with you , but you can with me okay , okay , goodbye . Because we have a daughter .

Speaker 1

Well , let's see if you can with this . Let's get your thoughts Going into our two cents .

Speaker 3

I got to hold on .

Speaker 1

Okay , you ready .

Speaker 3

Do I have a choice ?

Speaker 1

Am I the asshole for going on vacation without my girlfriend if she can't pay her way ? Hi all , I'm a 39-year-old male dating someone who's a 33 year old female , and have been for the past three months . Things are going well , up until the topic of my 40th birthday next year . I turned 40 and I've never taken an actual vacation .

I've extended work trips to do something fun where I am . I've traveled to visit friends or families , always just for a long weekend , never more than three days . I want to take a week and travel purely for recreational purposes . My criteria is that the trip needs to be at least two weeks long and be international , ballin' right .

I've always worked hard to get my finances in shape since my 20s and now I have a decent business and some money set aside , and I feel like I'm ready for a trip next year and it will be a great opportunity , as it is a milestone for my birthday .

Financial Boundaries in New Relationships

My girlfriend is great . She works hard and supports herself , but she doesn't make as much money as me and , most importantly , is currently saddled with around $20,000 in credit card debt arising from a period of unexpected unemployment she had in the past that forced her to burn through her savings and live on credit cards .

When the topic of the trio of the trip came up , she first asked if she could go and I said sure . She then asked if we could go to Vegas . I told her about my desire for it to be an international trip . Then she expressed concern over if she could afford it while in debt .

I told her that I would be willing to cover the lodging and , depending on where we go , help her pay for the airfare , because we haven't been dating long , I don't feel comfortable paying for her the whole way and I feel that she should contribute financially to come along .

She then told me that she didn't feel that she could afford to cover the meals plus half airfare , even if I went somewhere relatively cheap and I was possibly thinking about the Caribbean , because the flights are running about under $500 .

So I said that I understood , but I also have been wanting to do this milestone birthday thing for a while now and I still intend on going , even if it is just by myself and only one week . She became upset that I would travel without her and it caused a bit of a fight . My friends and family are split .

On one hand , some point out how many things I've wanted to do but didn't get to do because of my ex who refused to let me go on by myself , and so on and so forth my ex who refused to let me go on by myself , and so on and so forth .

On the other hand , some are saying it's cruel of me to be planning a vacation in front of a person who is trying to pay off a large amount of debt . Anyway , I can see both sides and I just want to know am I the asshole ?

Speaker 3

Not at all .

Speaker 1

No no no .

Speaker 3

Live your life .

Speaker 1

Okay .

Speaker 3

First of all , let me say this Okay , first of all , let me say this he agreed to pay for lodging , which is the hotel .

Speaker 1

And half of her airfare .

Speaker 3

Half the airfare .

Speaker 1

Right . And like so and you know he's going to pay for dinner when you guys go out , he's going to at least pay for your food . He's literally paying . He's still really paying , all of it .

Speaker 3

He's offering to pay for most of it . Yeah , this is how a woman ain't smart . If she was smart , she'd be like babe , let's go to you . Wanna go to the Caribbean ? Let's just go to Sandals , it's all inclusive boom .

Speaker 1

It's all inclusive and I'll pay for the drink package . It's all inclusive she ain't playing it right , but he's not an asshole , okay . So here's the thing . I think the part of him asking am I the asshole ?

is because he feels bad yes , and because that if that's his girlfriend , like the people , and that's why women are the problem people would be thinking like that if that's your girl and that's your woman , how could you plan a big , a big milestone trip and not just take her along with you ? It shouldn't be a well , I can cover half and I can do this .

If that's your girl and that's your woman , then take her on the trip with you . I can see that perspective . On the other hand , he's kind of saying we only been dating for a few months .

Speaker 3

He said we fresh , I might see , I might meet somebody in the caribbean .

Speaker 1

I don't think that's what he's making before her ticket ? I don't think that's what he said . I don't think that's what he said . I don't think I don't think he's beat , I don't think the the term him being an asshole um fits the situation .

Um , if I'm being , if I'm being 100 honest , like , like , if I'm really gonna be real , if I was dating someone and he was like , oh , I want to take a really big 40th birthday like trip .

I want to take a really big 40th birthday trip and he was like you know , and I want to go here , I want to go there , and I'm like , oh , OK , like automatically in my mind . I would be thinking , especially if we've only been dating for three months , I would be thinking OK , I want to at least have some ducks in a row .

But on the other hand , I honestly would be expecting him to be like babe , like , of course I got to be a woman . Listen , you can , you can say that . But , like I'm saying in the back of my head , I would be counting , like , ok , let me start putting somebody aside , because I don't want to assume he's going to say that .

Do I expect him to say that ? I expect him to say that , but I'm not going to assume that he's going to say that .

So if he would have came to me and said , babe , I can cover half of the airfare , I can cover our lodging , you know , for me I would be like , okay , like , let me , let's see exactly where you want to go , so I know exactly how much money I need to put back , because , regardless , it's still a fresh relationship .

I'm not going to go nowhere internationally with you anyway and not have a means to take care of myself or be able to get my ass back home , right , because we've only been dating for three months , so we're still getting to know each other . So now we're about to take this really big leap in traveling internationally with each other .

I need to be able to make sure that I'm not so broke that , if something goes awry , that I can't get my ass back home on my own dime . That just for me . That would be irresponsible for a woman to do that after dating somebody for three ?

Speaker 3

months , but I would expect him to be like babe don't worry , I got you In my mind as a man . I've only . I've been planning this for a while . I've been with you three months , so I don't know you like that .

Speaker 1

I mean , he hasn't been planning it for a while ?

Speaker 3

I don't know you like that this has just been on his mind . I don't know you like that .

Speaker 1

It's been on his mind .

Speaker 3

I don't know you like that Okay .

Speaker 1

Well , I mean that's fine , but , like I said , I'm going to make sure that doesn't change the fact that I still would like part of me would be waiting for you to be like babe , what you tripping for I got you , you messing with me .

Speaker 3

you gonna be waiting for a while .

Speaker 1

Well , I mean not me , I'm not taking you , okay . Okay , let me see you leave the country and I'm not by your side . Okay , take my child , not by your side . Okay , take my child , the one that you can't even be at home with for like long periods at a time . You're going to travel with her internationally on your own .

Speaker 3

She be growing by then .

Speaker 1

Goodbye , yeah , when she's an adult , when she can get her , when she can book her own flights , that's when you go travel with her by yourself . Anyway , this has been another episode of Life After I Do podcast . If you're not doing so already , you can follow us on all of our social media platforms you got ten and a half months on TikTok bye .

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