Hello, and welcome to the Life After Blindness podcast. I'm your host, Tim Schwartz, and a couple of special guests with me that, regular listeners should at least know one. And, well, if you followed me anywhere else around the interwebs on other podcast and radio shows, you should also be familiar with the others. So we are here today as the first in kind of an updated new channel version of what was formerly known as the Saturday edition of Blind Guy Talks
Tech. If any of that sounds ridiculous or strange to you, well, we're gonna bring you up to speed right now. So joining me on the show, first of all, we have Robin Kristofferson. Robin, welcome to the show. Oh, thank you very much. I'm looking forward to this. Me too. And, our returning champion because, well, as longtime listeners know, he was on the very first episode of Life After Blindness and, has been back many, many, many a time since then. Sean Preece. Sean, welcome.
Hello, Tim. Where have you been? Oh, wow. Well It's like being embraced in a warm, gorgeous hug. As we all know, Tim is a Man Mountain, seven foot four, and, eight hundred pounds. But, Tim, you've been missed. You've been away too long. I have been away well, technically, away from my life after blindness family for way, way, way too long.
Yes. But, yeah, as we're gonna talk about where we've been and what we've been doing, yeah, Sean, you're not wrong because, well, with the pandemic and then things with my daughter in school, and then I got the the dreaded COVID myself, And, things have just been ridiculous as far as me trying to get my show going and and back up again. But it's here. It's back, and I am so happy and so excited to be doing it. It is so awesome. Tryouts for winter.
Have you, redecorated this studio? It's very nice in here, I must say. Very nice. I I was gonna ask. You you you guys should like the the new feel of the studio. It's nice and, yeah, refreshed and and posh as you say. And, yeah, it's nice and Comforting conditions. Cozy. Yeah. Too many flowers for water. Not too cold, although I know it's sparkling water. You are. Mhmm. One moment. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
You know, I I once had some sparkling water that I didn't know before I took a sip that it was sparkling water. Boy, that was a surprise. Wow. Sparkling water. I mean, what a awful concept that is. Why why make it fizzy? It's water. What's the point? Yeah. Somebody had poured some Perrier water, and, I didn't know. I thought it was just regular just, you know, like, filtered water from the fridge or or, you know, tap water. And that yeah. And that that first sip
oh my god. That was that was frightening. Just because especially when you don't know. I did that once with, with soft drinks. My my wife got me a can of of I think it was a can of root beer from the refrigerator, and I thought it was gonna be Mountain Dew. I know you guys have root beer even though Oh, you're so American right now. I have no idea what you're talking about. Have either of those. Yes. You do. I have done research. You guys absolutely have root beer
over there. You may not have Mountain Dew or at least not something called Mountain Dew, but you definitely have root beer. I've looked it up after Sean told me that he doesn't know what it is. Is it made out of roots? Beetroot. No. What? No. Anyway Beetroot. Okay. No. But, anyway, no. I thought she got me a Mountain Dew, and I took a sip, and I said, that is the worst tasting Mountain Dew I've ever had. She goes, that's because it's root beer. So
that that would have explained it. Blind problems. Anyway Yes. But, no, it has it has been way too long, since I have been behind the microphone, at least, again, for Life After Blindness. But I I've been places. I've been around. All all of us actually have, collectively, between the RNIB Tech Talk Show where, Robin and I stepped in, and, Robin had actually fill in for you and I, Sean, after we left to go to Double Tap and was holding the fort down.
And then, well, after I left Double Tap, I said, so, Steven, you you want a third seat over there back on on Tech Talk again? He's like, yes. Please come. Yeah. That would be great. You said just the two of us. Please come. So I I went back over there, and then we transitioned after Steven. Do we call it a midlife crisis? No. We don't. No. I'm not sure how long he's gonna live, so let's not call it a midlife crisis. Please not say that. That's exactly right.
You know, he, he made the what I think is the proper decision to, move on from his work, obligations in RNIB and and has gone into a lot of self employment stuff for himself and, started the Blind Guy Talks Tech Show, which was fantastic, but five days a week with a weekend edition, attached to it. And, we've all been there helping out and doing things, and now well, that's moving on. So that kinda brings us into what I wanna start off with because it's not like we've been totally gone and
disappeared. We have been around, but I've just not been here. So, Sean, talk to me about this. The Blind Guy Talks Tech Show was five days a week with technology and then the weekend ranting banter edition that we we had good intentions for in the beginning. Yes. We actually Yes. We did. We actually did have real serious deep diving topics that we covered and even had some, spirited discussions.
And then after a while, it just kind of became just a bunch of friends hanging out on the weekend and just having a chat. So we're we're gonna try to reel that back in a little bit here as we take it over here on Life After Blindness. And, Steven has given me the reins to do so. Although you notice, he does that. In the first one, he's not here. So I see how that is. And and our friend, Sally Clay, for anybody wondering if if they came from the Blind Guy Talks
Tech Show. First of all, welcome. Thanks for coming over here. But, Sally has actually got a lot going on. So we will hopefully get her on, in the coming months. But, it might it might be a while because she is a busy, busy bee. Just like it was before on Blind Guy. You know, on the Saturday edition, whoever could make it at that time made it. So, you made it insane? Yeah. Exactly. So we will we will do our best to, to, you know, find that happy balance, but get as many of us as
we can if we can. So so, Sean, the five day a week blind guy, that's no longer happening and, is being shifted, isn't it? It is. That's right. Yeah. So, as as listeners may know, we've got the other show, Double Tap, that was once a week. And we decided to just merge it under sort of one brand. Instead of having Blind Guys Talks Tech over here and Double Tap
over there, we thought, you know what? Let's just make Double Tap the daily podcast and bring it in house and have it all under the one brand of Double Tap because, you know, it does you you kind of split in your audience, and it just made more sense for us as a workflow as well. So, yes. BGT, Blind Guy Talks Tech, has really just shifted over. So you can still tune in, to Double Tap every day. Just search your favorite podcast. Sorry. I'm doing
the plug already, Tim. Search your favorite podcast catcher for Double Tap by, from AMI Audio, and you should, find us there. And, yeah. So if you want your daily dose of tech news and, a little bit of banter between Steven and I, the usual the usual mix, then, yeah, definitely check us out. But, like I said, really, it just made more sense to instead of splitting us up all into a podcast here and a podcast there for us, it just made sense to bring it all in house. So, yeah, it's just basically
now called Double Tap. And it definitely does make sense. I I I kinda wish we did have Steven here because he and I have been talking about this transition for a while. I mean, we've all kinda known it was coming, and he and I behind the scenes even before the rest of you guys knew, you know, he and I were talking about, okay. This is what's gonna happen with Blind Guy, the the weekly edition going to
Double Tap. And he came right out and said, so, you know, those weekend conversations, at least when we were trying to be a little bit more on, you know, topic and and on point, you know, there is a really great place where that could reside, and I'm happy to, you know, have the reins be passed along. And I'm like, so what are you trying to say here, Steven? Just come right out and say it, buddy. You know?
And so do it, Tim. Yeah. Basically, you do it because I'm gonna be way too darn busy to do it, I think is what he was trying to say. But, no, I think it I think it works out really nicely because, you know, Blind Guy Talks Tech served a purpose. It was a great home for all of us to go to after RNIB, Tech Talk, after Steven had left the RNIB, and it gave us a great platform to really kinda test out the possibility of doing five days a week because I remember,
you know, this, Sean. I think even, Robin, you were in on this conversation where, you know, Steven said, I'm never doing five days a week. There's no content for five days a week. When we were talking to him about doing Amazon Echo, you know, what is it called? The the news thing, the news flash. He he was like, there's no way. There's not enough stuff to cover every day on a news flash. And I know you can do it once a week, but I would wanna do it every day. There's
nothing to do every day. And I'm like, yeah. Fast forward to blind guy talks tech, and he's doing it every day. Exactly. But it but it does make sense, and and it does give, you know, more tech, you know, to double tap and give it a home there. And like I said, we we now have, you know, more ability to give, roundtable discussions here and just kinda take that, take that over. So, Robin, you, as I mentioned, had stepped in after Sean and I left.
Tiny shoes to fill. I was gonna say big shoes to fill, but, no, I don't know. I don't know about that. But, I think my, shoes are smaller than yours. But yeah. Well, probably according to to Sean. I'm seven foot four. So Four can canoe feet. But As to the stems come. Gosh. But, but, yeah, you you stepped in and and took over for us, quite fiercely and and and, boldly. And that's not the only place you do
stuff. You you've been on Maxis the Maxisability Roundtable podcast with, friends of the show, you know, Holly Anderson and, Darcy Bernard. And then you've got dot to dot, which is your daily, echo skill show, as well as the both of you doing the echo show, which we'll talk more about here in just a few minutes. But, Robin, talk to me about this. So so you're you're on accessibility. You're doing your own shows for years. Step in the tech talk, then that goes away, then you're a blind
guy, then that goes away. Now you're you know, you and I are are being asked to step in occasionally as contributors for Double Tap, and now you're here on Life After Blindness. I mean, this is wow. Like, are are you dizzy? Or do you do you I'm exhausted. Whiplash? I mean, wow. And he's got a full fledged job. Yes. And that's in addition to oh, yeah. That's right. In addition to AbilityNet that, that he he basically runs for, you know, all of The UK over there.
That's true. I do actually have a second company that I'm a director of as well. Just throw that in there too. Oh. Oh, gosh. Wow. I mean, is there anything this man can't do? You know what we did forget? Of course. This is Lord Doctor Robin Kristofferson. This is true. Yeah. Lord Doctor Robin Kristofferson. Sir Sir Robin. Yes. Yeah. Firstly, what I want to say is what a brilliant move over to life after blindness. A really good, a really safe pair of hands. I'm so
glad that we haven't lost it. The show, the Saturday. Yeah. Big hands. But safe. So, yeah. Really looking forward to picking up the the chit chat, the roaming, discussions with you at the helm because, I'm sure, you know, we're gonna be steered successfully through some interesting topics, some really engaging topics. And we had so much good feedback, didn't we, on BGTT about the sort of things we covered. And I'm sure we're just gonna carry on doing
that. I know you've got lots of topics, in your pocket, whether we'll stick with them or not as we do these shows going forward together. We will endeavor to begin every show with some sort of topic. I mean, not this episode because I wanted to catch people up a little bit before we get into semi sort of a kind of a topic. But but you're right. Yeah. I'm I'm hoping to at least have the idea of starting each episode with a good topic that we can dive into and really get into.
And, yeah, you're right. The the feedback that we got on blind guy for the weekend edition was mixed, but for the most part, it seemed like people just enjoyed listening to the conversation. And because we were talking about things that really a lot of other places aren't talking about. I mean, they might touch on here and there and things like that, but we really just kinda, you know, ripped the the Band Aid off the scab and and pulled back the curtain and you know what
I mean? We just Beautiful way to put it, Dickens? I mean, that was lovely, mister Shakespearean. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. But Is it just me that can't resist picking at you know what? Right. Please stop. So let's carry on. There will be no discussion from this point over this point going forward about scabs or scars or, other other medical ailments that may have occurred to people on this show currently. No more. Okay. Yeah. No more. Laying down the the house rules here.
That's good. Carry on. Yeah. I like it. Because I'm not gonna I because I like Cadbury Creme Eggs, and now I can't eat them anymore the rest of my life. Oh, god. It's wet my thighs. Okay. If if if that if that is something that the listeners don't know about, you don't want to. And if you really want to, go listen to blind guy talk stuck and find it there. Anyway, yeah. So, Robin, I appreciate that. Thank you. And, yeah, that's what we're hoping to do here. But, but but, you know, you have been
everywhere. I mean, you you are this consummate, you know, podcast traveler. Talk to me about kind of, like because this is your first time really being heard on a Life After Blindness show. I mean, we do have a recorded conversation that, honestly, we recorded several months ago, that is edited and ready to go and is gonna come out soon because it's still very valid. It's still a conversation that we had a long time ago that's, that's still very relevant.
And, so it's gonna be coming out. But this technically is the first time people have heard you at least on my show. So talk to me about all these endeavors, Robin. Well, I mean, I think the first one was definitely Doctor. Dots. That's up to episode 2,030 something now. Why? So, yeah, it's a daily one. It's around five to ten minutes, so it actually does exist as a flash briefing on the Echo as well. So if people want to add that to their flash briefing they can just say enable
the five minute skill demo show. That's what the skill is called, but it will play dot to dot every single day. Or you could just ask your smart speaker to play dot to dot or your phone or whatever. If you do it on the A Lady or on your, Google Home Nest thing, then make sure you put a tiny pause between the words because otherwise you'll get a doctor something, you know, podcast or something. Oh, I see. So you can say dot to dot. Like that? Yeah. Thank you. Well done.
Kinda like when we did RNA in When we did RNA b tech talk, if you said RNA b too fast, you got all kinds of crazy things. Yes. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Just a tiny pause. So yeah. That I mean, that's a labor of love. And actually, it is getting, a little bit tougher to find decent things That's better. Whatever. And I sure I'm sure that Sean can appreciate that because we do the Echo Show together each week. Oh. I'm not It's punishing. I'll tell you that much. Oh. Trying to find skills in
oh. The Amazon app is awful. Sorry. Carry on. Yeah. No. So I mean, listeners are kind. They often send in suggestions and occasionally a demo as well, particularly David Ward. Shout out to the brilliant David Ward of Goodwill Valleys over in The States on your, you know, side of the pond who has the Echo Tips podcast, which I would thoroughly recommend. And yeah. So we, you know, we have a good community and I still love doing
that. It's easy to chuck out one of those episodes compared That's why you like it. It's so easy. Easy. Well, easy once you find a skill to talk about. Yeah. It's all relative compared to, say, an hour long daily show, perhaps. Yes. Tell me about it. It's always we love talking. Alright. Let's not pretend this is hard work. This is, we're all here. Enjoy. So we're we're all here because we we like to talk or connect. So so dot to dot, and then that, like I said, you you were on our
tech talk for for quite some time. And, during all that somewhere, you and Sean, as you just mentioned, did the Echo Show, which isn't just a clever name, but it is actually about the Echo Show and other Echo devices, that you can get with your Amazon a lady. So it's kind of a progression of dot to dot. Yeah. So we're up to episode 97 will be coming out this week, and that means ninety seven weeks' worth. So, yeah, it's been going a while, hasn't it, Sean? Probably seems to be 97
already. Yeah. Well, the the point was that we'd have a conversation and and bring both of us would bring skills to it. The dot to dot is very much a, well, as the name says, a five minute demo. Right? But we wanted to have a little bit of a conversation about the skills and, you know, discuss what worked. Yes. Just having
a chitchat. Yes. The the the joke is that, like, it's funny really because all of our podcast seem to sort of, they dissolve down to just us talking rubbish and, you know, talking about us falling over or whatever for forty minutes of the show. Really. But Tim, that's not gonna happen here. I know you've got a firm hand on the, tiller. So, yes, it's not gonna happen. But, yeah, absolutely. The echo show was just, you know
what? We we're a fan of this stuff, so we wanted to just have a conversation about it. But, yeah, as as Robin said and as I say to him every week, it's getting harder and harder to find those skills. Yep. Absolutely. But, the chit the chit chat's still as top quality as ever. Yeah. You say top quality. I say incredibly tedious. But, hey, you know, why not give it a go? You can find it in your favorite podcast, Catcher App. So incredibly incredibly tedious. You you came up
with that rather quickly. Is that something your partner talks to you about all the time? Yes. Absolutely. Oh, see? No. No. Tim's doing it already. He's taking us down a different tune. It's your fault because you you and Steven started this years and years ago, made me do this. I I didn't corrupt it in this way. You did absolutely corrupted me.
I completely blame you and Steven. And, yeah, speaking of Steven, as I said at the top of the show, I mean, you notice he's not here because, well, he's doing this deep dive into, you know, double tap five days a week and, you know, other things and responsibilities that he's he's taken on over there at AMI. But you're here, Sean, despite the fact that you have a new show other than the echo show, other than five day a week Double Tap.
Talk talk to people about Shaun of the Shed because I don't know that we've talked about that for my listeners at least. Oh, well, I'm so glad you gave me the name because I was thinking, do I? What what's that, man? But, yes, you're absolutely right. You're you're involved with so many things that you you've forgotten them. I was panicking for a second. Yes. I do. And I promise this is gonna be the last plug. People keep listening. But I do I do Shaun of the Shed,
it's once a month. So, ah, it's such a bliss just doing a podcast once a month. But it is for, people new to technology or new to, you know, vision loss and coming to technology. So it's very much, hey. Did you know? You know? You can. It's it's trying to take the the the the scariness away from technology. The, you know, so many people, in organizations I've been to, and you're dealing with people who have just lost their sight or whatever, they they just say, I I can't do
it. I, you know, I can no. I can't use that. And it's just we we all know, you know, we've all gone through that sight loss thing. We and, you know, it's it's just taking the time, and you're more than capable. If if I can do it, then anyone can do it. So it's just it's just me trying to take a take a I don't know. A simpler look at technology and show it's not that frightening. So, yes, that's Shaun of the Shed. Thank you very much. I see that highly produced immersive audio.
Yeah. Well, that's Production. Let's keep that on the down low because, you know, that was the first few episodes. Let's not let's not heighten, expectations here, I believe. I mean, after all, he does have a month in between each one to get it edited and I do. Care of. I mean, although Unbelievable. You say that though, once a month. I mean, your occasional random audio pizza or as I used to call it, apple pizza. Do you remember when I used to mess that up, Sean? I called
it apple pizza. Yes. You did. And you got to correct me every time. Actually, although you you used to say, you know, that's actually a better name. But Mister trick there. Yeah. But, but I mean, that comes out, what, once every three months, six months. Oh, well, that's Whenever. Yeah. That's that's just the feed we've got where someone jumps on when they've fallen over a bush or the what is the last one? I bought
some Tibetan singing bowls, you know. If it's just falling into a bush, then, why isn't there an episode from you almost, like, every day? Okay. That's enough. Alright. Bye bye. Tim. Now Alright. So let's let's get to something
that can actually be helpful. Now that we've explained kind of what we've been up to, where I've been, where you guys have been, what's going on, and, caught everybody up if if they haven't been along the ride with us, these last many months, let let's try to help people a little bit in the time that we've got left. So I've established, I I hope, that, these two guys know what they're talking about when it comes not just to technology, but to, smart devices, Amazon Echo specifically,
with It's a lie. It's a lie? It's a lie. They have no idea what they're talking about with all this echo conversation. So so let's let's kinda look at that in a in a bigger sense then. And and I think we know kind of the answer to this because I've always said it's accessibility by accident.
But, Robin, talk to me about I I mean, you could be specific to the echo, but kind of in general, what makes something like an echo so important and specifically important to someone who might be visually impaired or blind? Cool. Okay. When people talk about accessibility, in the VI context, obviously, we're talking about, you know, for people with low or no vision, you know, accessibility is about can you bump up the text size or can you, you know, use speech on it or whatever it
might be. Just to let you know for me accessibility always equals pan disability because that's who I work for AbilityNet. So when people say, you know, why are smart speakers, you know, inherently accessible?
Certainly from a VI point of view, a visual impairment point of view, it's absolutely perfect for us because you can just talk to it, there's no screen involved, you don't have to read a manual, the bar is very low with regards you know, all you need is a WiFi connection and a few dollars really or pounds to be able to buy a device that is fully functional. And you have got this world, this wealth of skills and built in functionality that we could talk about until the cows come home.
But, yeah, because it's inherently, you know, easy to use, cheap, voice operated, and gives you speech output for people like us with a vision impairment or no vision at all. Like, I think well, we're pretty much all in that camp now, aren't we? Yeah. Yeah. After blindness, we are looking at these speakers and thinking how brilliant they are for us. The broader picture
didn't really happen until much later on. And we could talk about echoes with a screen and how brilliantly accessible they are and some of the features for other disabilities if you like, but that's kind of not this show. But I just wanted to flag that as well. Because often, disabilities don't just fit into neat boxes, do they? So, you know, some people might have does it? What a shed shape? No. No. Shed shape. Big Mac box shape, actually. Thank you very much. Yeah. KFC bucket shape.
Yeah. It has curry in it. Yeah. Yes. Anyway, please continue, Robin. Yeah. So, we could talk about the broader accessibility features. And, you know, I would point people at the, Alady accessibility hub if you just search for that. Alady obviously being a l e x a. Then you'll get all of the lowdown of the brilliant features across all the different disabilities. So, yeah, I just wanted to get that out there that the echoes that Amazon have produced are really accessible in in the broadest sense.
They really, really are. But, yeah, for people like ourselves, how brilliant is it to just be able to talk to the air and get really useful information? Because, I don't know about you guys, but, you know, computers absolutely open doors and are brilliant, but really, really complicated. And, you know, a desktop app or the amount of information that's in, you know, on a on a web page on the
desktop, there's just so much there. And whether that's with low vision or with speech output, it's a really complicated thing to navigate around. Then with the advent of smartphones, much smaller screen, much more distilled down UI, you know, user interface for us to to contend with. And that was a godsend because you've just got far less information, there's much less clutter and all that sort of thing. So anyone that's managed to get to grips with a smartphone for example
has really benefited from that. But the smart speaker is like the distillation down to its pure essence, isn't it? I often talk about the age of ambient computing where, you know, you can just talk to the air and get, you know, useful information back. And often, as we know now, you can get tailored information as well because it can recognize your voice, it can pull from your calendar, your skills, you know, give you the the news briefing that you want, that sort of thing. So, yeah, hugely
empowering. And as soon as I got a first gen echo dot, I thought, okay, I've got to start telling people about this because, it was relatively unknown, five or six years ago. You know? It's crazy to to believe, but, yeah, it was Where we've come to. Yeah. Yeah. I can't believe it's been that long. And and you're
absolutely right. And I think that doing a a wider kind of, you know, broad discussion about this is something that maybe we should do for a future episode, but I just wanted to to let people in on the idea of what the something like an Amazon Echo or or or Google Home Nest, whatever they're calling it now. Yeah. What they can rely to be some favoritism here. I I don't want to point it out at both of you, but each of you gave the Google Nest y thingy, that
thing. As you just did. Yes. No. I'm just He was telling us how phrasing you. I'm quoting yourself back, but I I I absolutely have no idea what it's called either. I don't think Google do anymore. I think it's officially the Nest home now, but but It is. That's right. The point is, I think, though, the the reason why and you guys correct me if I'm wrong because you guys are the ones that literally do the show
on this thing. We even specifically as as blind or visually impaired people, we kinda gravitate to the echo more because of the skills and and what it can offer. Because the Google Nest Home really isn't as robust when it comes to something like that. Right? They have I think they're called actions. Yeah. And the last time it looked, there was about 10,000 actions in Oh, is it that many now? Okay. Good. I thought you were gonna say 10 for a second. So did I.
Right. If it's anything like the A Lady store, there's a real mixed bag there. You know, 5% of those will be, how can I put this, wind expulsion simulation? Well, that's that's too nice, sweetie, but that's so posh. He is. Wow. And other things of a similar kind of, you know, caliber. But, many of them are, you know, fantastically useful. But, yeah, I think in the skill store at the moment for the A Lady, it's over a 120,000. So, you know, probably that's a much lower
figure than the last time I looked. It was around there. So You've only covered how many of those on dot the dot? You still have plenty to go. I know. Yeah. Well, as I say, though, a lot of Wind expulsion. Yeah. Plenty of wind expulsion skills to talk about. You know what? My my my point though is is that, yes, they both are very viable, but I think that there seems to be kind of a a gravitational pull towards the Amazon Echoes,
for whatever reason. Maybe because they were first, maybe because there's more skills and seemingly feels like more more that you can do. But but you're right, Sean. I mean, that makes me sick to say that out loud. I I hate you. Well done. But, but I try not I try not to say that to my wife. I don't wanna say it to you either. But, but but no. Like, the the Nest Home does have its fair share of of good things to
have for it. And so, especially because it's built with Google Search, and we know how good, you know, good Google Search is. Oh, it's amazing. For answering questions, it it beats Lady a all over the room. So it's fantastic for that. And in Canada, where the, Google smart speaker was out first, it is more popular. Yeah. You know, it's got that head start. So there is that very much whoever got to, you know, at the gate first does tend to hold most of the
market share. It's kinda like the idea of if you used an iPhone first, you're probably more prone to wanna use an iPhone. If you use an Android first, that's where you wanna be as well. So it's it is kind of that adoption, you know, mentality of it. But I do feel it's shifting slightly, though, in in in Canada as well because, Google do have a reputation of just dropping things,
you know. And it it does feel like Amazon are so committed that I mean, they had such a roaring success with their, smart speaker, and and with the addition of so many smart, devices as well in the, not that they're not in the Google as well, but it just seems like Amazon really have put it all in for smart speakers. And Google, there's still that slight, you know, we're changing the name now as they did the Google Nest Hub or whatever.
And there's always that slight feeling that are Google really that committed or is there a chance they could just drop it tomorrow? And also Google don't have the infrastructure behind pushing their devices. You know, we all use Amazon. I'm sure we do. You know, we've all got Amazon's accounts. We've we're probably Prime members. And, you know You're a sheep, Robin. Sheeple. That's your problem. Fight the power. I think Oh, next day delivery. Thank you very much,
sir. Sometime same day delivery. Yeah. Yes. But, you know, they can push, sales on Black Friday and other Amazon Prime Days and stuff like that. You know, their devices are always at the top of the list, aren't they? Super cheap. Really cheap as chips, aren't they? And very, very functional. So, you know, Google doesn't I mean, they could push stuff on Google search result pages, I suppose, but, you know, just the utility of getting, Prime delivery,
so cheap. I don't know how much entry level home nest thing. Sorry. What the Come on, Robin. They well, look. They're very comparable. It it will be close. Yeah. It's it's around yeah. Yeah. We're talking not in sell and whatever. So they're all about $50, aren't they? So the starting point. So they are really competitively priced when it comes to the Amazon side. And when you can find either of them on sale, you're talking $20.25 dollars. I mean,
it's Absolutely. Ridiculous item. Wrong. Voice is brilliant. I mean, voice choice is brilliant. Well, the voices are brilliant too, but, yes, voice is brilliant. Yes. Yeah. There's so many different varieties and and shapes and sizes and and voices, as as it were. But but, no. Like, I had talked to you guys about on Amazon Prime Day. I traded in an old echo one, the the original, you know, Pringles canister echo one, you know, regular edition, whatever you wanna call it. And I Yeah.
But they're selling them on eBay now for a thousand dollars. Have you seen it? Say what? Don't tell me that. No. Stop. Stop. I know I'm joking. Stop it. I know you are. I've known you long enough. I know when you're joking. At least I think I do. Anyway, so no. I I traded it in because they give you, you know, $25 towards another purchase, of an Echo device plus 25% off, and I was basically paid to get a Echo Dot four.
Yeah. I I didn't actually I actually ended up having $4 left over, and that was after, buying something else with with the money that I had. So the sale was so good, and my trade in, you know, made it even better. I mean, it was $20, I think, on sale. And then after the, you know, the discount plus the, you know, the the money back, and and Yeah. It's ridiculous. So, yeah, I mean, it's such an easy, inexpensive thing to get and to be able
to just speak to it. And as you alluded to, Robin, there are things that it offers that they offer for more than just somebody who's who's, you know, partially sighted or or blind because even like with the Echo Show, you know, you can sign language to the camera. You can hold up things if you're visually impaired and and have the camera scan the barcode or tell you what the product is. So similar to what you can do, you know, with your phone, you know, you can do that with an
Echo Show. So, I mean, so many things that are available for not just us, but but as you said, Robin, many different types of disabilities that they're thinking about, and they're integrating things in there to help different people. So, I mean, it it really becomes a big game changer because, excuse me, for, you know, anywhere from $25, we'll say, up to $50 to just get you in the door of a device like this. You've got this amazing accessibility right out of
the box. You can use it to check-in on, you know, your loved ones, you know, drop in, say, you know, when my grandma was still living on her own before she moved in with my parents, we had an echo you know, couple echoes set up in her house so that we could drop in, make sure she was okay, or if she needed to call out to call emergency services if she fell. Yeah. You know, it was it it's such a, you know, wonderful thing to know that you
you have that ability to do that. So if you try calling them on the phone and you can't get them, you can just drop in and be like, hello? Are you okay? What's going on? You know? Yeah. And scare scare the living daylights out of them. I'm sure. But, but, no. So I mean, there's so many different things that not just for for, you know, daily, just like you said, you know, before about checking your calendar or checking the news or listening to podcasts and music.
I mean, there's all those basic things, but the fact that you can do them, you know, just speaking to the air, all the Star Trek, you know, the future is now, you know, and be able to get that information. I don't know how I mean, I don't know how many times a day we use it in our household to ask math questions. Although, we have to stop doing that because my 10 year old keeps going, see, I don't need to learn math. You guys just ask the echo anyway.
She's absolutely right. I mean, she's correct. She's don't tell her that she's not wrong, but still No. Absolutely. To learn her math. Thank you. But, but no. So, I mean, just to be able to do that, to listen to audiobooks, to to you know, just whatever it is, to be able to do it just by calling out to the air is is amazing. I mean, a friend of mine got the, Amazon Echo, well, the Amazon, microwave where the Echo is not built in, but
it works with your Echo. Mhmm. And so he could just put something in the microwave, close the door, and then talk to lady a to make the, you know, the microwave do what he wants it to do. I mean, that used to cost us, you know, $5.06, $700 to do that, and now you can do it with the smart home. Microwaves. Yeah. Totally. Right. Yeah. For a talking microwave. Right. I mean, we should talk about smart home. We absolutely will in a second.
But I wanna flag for to go on after that conversation, which is how you can make other devices smart that you can, you know, with a remote control, for example. So we'll talk about that in a sec. But, yeah, let's talk about smart. Let's talk about connected home and that sort of thing. Well, I mean, why not? Let's just go right into it then, Robin, because you're right.
The Echo devices, the the, Nest Home devices really open up not just, like, everything we were just talking about, just asking simple questions or even very specific questions and getting that accessibility for us, you know,
so easily. But it does open up a lot of things that you can have it help you do around the house, making your house smarter, which is another byproduct of making your house accessible in a way, especially if maybe you're in a wheelchair or you have Parkinson's and it's hard for you to maybe, you know, reach out to to grab a switch or to, you know, pull the blinds or, you know, you know, whatever it might be, whatever, you
know, is going on. Or even if, you know, for for people that might be deaf that that have it connected to a doorbell and they can get announcements and things, you know, coming up on their Echo Show, etcetera. I mean, those are not just useful, helpful things for everybody, but, again, adds another layer of accessibility, when when you start utilizing these devices for smart home. Right, Robin? Totally. Yeah. And Sean's got most of those, and I've got none of those. I've got a smart light bulb.
And what else have I got? I think that's about it. Nothing Robin. You're such a luddite. Okay. I'm gonna tell you about this guy. Right? He's called the Bioneer. I might have mentioned it on another show. But the Bioneer is basically saying push back against convenience. You know, reach up on that shelf to get something even if you don't need it. Bend down, crawl around the room if you want to.
Just go extreme when it comes to doing physical things, okay, and that's kind of the antithesis of smart home. But as you were saying Tim, you know, if you've got an impairment like my sister who's bedbound then the smart home is absolutely brilliant and she does have all that stuff. So that's really, really important. But, as far as making our home smarter, I'm kind of pushing back on that because I, you know, they say sitting is the new smoking. Oh, you're such a hippie,
Robin. Oh, you annoy me. What are you talking about? I do have the full time sitting at my desk scenario that I need to push back on. I mean, he's he's maybe half not wrong. I mean, because no. I I know what he's saying, and I and I do agree to an extent. However No. You don't. The, I mean, I don't practice it. I didn't say I practice it. I just said that I I agree to an extent. But, no, I mean, I I get the point both sides. I I can see both sides without seeing. Well done.
But, no, I I I do get it that it it does kinda make us, I don't wanna use the word lazy because that sounds harsh. The the that sounds savage as the children say. Do they still say that? But, I I don't know. I think maybe they do. But, anyway but but, no, I mean, we we we do get, resigned to the couch a bit and can just call out, and that and that that that could be an issue. But It's a great thing. Don't send me a big guy like it's a bad thing. But but no. No. No. See, that that's what I was
gonna say. Like, it's it's amazing for convenience and for the ability of what it does. And as we mentioned, for for people that might have a certain type of impairment, it opens up doors, possibly even literally, that, or unlocks them at least that, I try. I try. I'll be here all week or maybe. But, no, like, it it does, you know, provide availability to a person that maybe would have not had that at all. Now in your house, Sean, as as Robin said, I mean, I've lost count how many Echo
ish devices you've got. I think it was, like, I don't know, nine, twelve, 15. I don't know. With all your different smart things. I mean in each room? Yeah. In each yeah. Nine of them in each room. Exactly. I mean Still fit. You've actually carved like, when you redid the the shed, for Sean of the shed, I mean, you actually put one embedded into the wall, I I believe, and and mounted one. So so, I mean, like, you you you are the master of the smart
home here. So so what are what are you using, Sean? Well, see, Robin says that because he has literally one single light bulb, and he, as I said, a Luddite. But, the one more than that is a lot to him is what you're saying. Yeah. Exactly right. So I I haven't gone all in because there's still look. I love the smart home. I love the technology of it. I just think it's, you know, aside from the accessibility angle from it, which of course is incredibly
import important. I'm just a bit of a geek at heart, and I just think this stuff is cool as well. So, you know, trying to convince my partner that is a totally different matter. But That you're cool or that you need all this? Yeah. Both of those things. Okay. So but It's an old thing better. Yeah. There's The partner, the kids, the neighbors. Yeah. Trying to
Yes. Exactly. Realize you're cool. I think it's still even though we're a few good few years into this, I still think it's early days because even though the price price of light bulbs to to kit out my house in light bulbs is costing hundreds and hundreds of dollars. And I'm sorry. I'm just not prepared. I don't think it's justified.
I I do have smart bulbs in certain rooms, and and then that's fine, but I still think that some of these devices are you're you're still paying for that cool and wow factor when it comes to smart homes. Now there's other areas such as smart plugs, smart power strips, the smart vacuums even. I mean, the price of smart vacuums has really come down, and they can be incredibly useful. I was a bit dismissive. I thought they were a bit
of a gimmick, but you know what? I've had a Roomba for a while now, and it it does a really good job. No. Wait. No. No. Tell the people. Do you do you still have the the googly eye stickers on it? I do. Yes. Yeah. It's only it's only got one. It's lost one along the way. I think the dogs Hushy. It's a pro wheel. Yes. So it's no, a Cyclops googly eye, vacuum cleaner. But, look, the thing is, it's and it's it's the key of why this smart speaker tech has become so
amazingly popular. It's it it it's crossed the line. People the the the term ambient computing actually fits, you know, because Mhmm. There was a time where any technology is just me, Just being the nerd of the house using it. And oh, you should use this so much. But everyone in my family uses a smart speaker, you know, sets timers and asks the weather and gets whatever how long it takes to get to the tram and when the next
trams coming. And, you know, turn the turn the, the the smart vacuum on, clean the kitchen, clean wherever. Everyone uses it. It's not seen as tech anymore. It's just seen as, you know, a tool of the house. And for that reason, it's absolutely amazing. But when it comes to the smart home for me, it's more about the smart plugs and the smart power strips. I
that's where I've started. I think that's where most people will start because it it is incredibly useful for, like, in this in my shed here where I do all my recording. When I leave here in probably four hours, if Tim has this way. Yeah. If when I leave here My name is not Stephen Scott. Sorry, Stephen. I will just say, you know, Lady a closed down the studio, and it turns off my monitors. It turns off my speakers, my mixers, my computers. It turns everything off, and, I know it's
off. You know? It's it's so handy. It's so easy to do. And, yeah, I still think we're at the very early stages of the smart home, and I think that things are only gonna get better. When we start seeing new builds with all these smart sockets built into the wall and smart lights and everything, That's where you're gonna see it. When you see the the the Ironman walking into your home and, you know, what's
his name? Benson or Jensen or whatever is the the the computer greets you as you walk in and puts the TV on and starts the dinner or anything. That's the dream that we've all been fed on for so long with sci fi movies. And I think, you know what? I can see it actually in the future. It's not that far in front of us anymore.
I completely agree with that. I think that we are to a point where talking to these devices is becoming just normal and the the ability to control everything within our house or even outside of our house. I know there's actually devices you can put inside your mailbox so that when the postman, pulls the mailbox, you know, down and back up again, put your mail in, it'll alert you inside your house. Yeah. It shoots it. Yeah. That's it. No. It sends the dog after him. Boy, wow.
It got dark. Wow. Red cone. We don't have mailboxes, so we don't know what you're talking about. Oh. We have letter boxes in our door. Our postmen do a proper job. They push it to your house. Through your front door. Yes. I know. We have those two. There are people that have mail slots or, you know, mailboxes in their in their doors, but Letterbox. Yes. Or letter box. Excuse me. Letterboxes. Slots. But, don't start, priests. But, but you can pick him up on math. So, you know, we're
all Yeah. I know. Yeah. But, but no. So, I mean, you can you can have it do that and have sensors in your driveway to tell you, you know, if somebody has pulled into your drive or, you know, of course, we talked about the ring doorbells, which is funny now because you talk to people on the phone or hear somebody on the Internet, you know, with audio, you know, in their vocal, and you hear their doorbells
going off. That's like the new the new thing, though, is hearing everybody's doorbells going off. I mean, you can answer your door from another country. You know? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Oh, it's amazing. Right? And you can answer your door using your echo, by the way. You just say answer front door and
boom. You're talking to your front door. And that's another safety, security, and even something, I think, for accessibility purposes because, again, what if you are somebody who can't get to the door very quickly or, you know, in a wheelchair or what have you, or you're somebody who lives alone or maybe somebody who's older that that lives alone and and you're, you know, maybe just not sure who, you know, who is at my door and you're you might be nervous to open the door.
You know, and and so you know, because you are alone or or what have you. And so you can talk to them whether you're even home or not and and make it seem like you're home. And so I think What do you want? Yeah. What do you want? Yeah. Can I yeah? Exactly. When do you want it? Right. Going back to going back to what Sean was saying about, you know, automatically turning on and off, you know, when he leaves the shed and that sort of
thing. And, when I'm last up on an evening, I have to go around the house using a light detector app to see if all the lights are off. But you can query that either by asking the a lady for the status of all your smart things or checking in the in the app. So that's really useful as well. Kind of peace of mind to know that the We'll buy some light bulbs then, Robin. What's the matter with you? Going around with you, like, wee willy winky.
What's the matter with you? Switching lights off in his case. Unbelievable. I've got two smart light bulbs and they're still in the box because I haven't decided where I'm at. Hold on. I won't admit that mine was sent to me by a a supplier for a I get a lot of free stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Getting that in there. Yeah. So, Lauren, going back to what Sean was saying about these power blocks, these smart plugs, is part of what I wanted to mention.
So, you know, you don't have to buy the smart thing. You could actually make a dumb thing smart like a table lamp or, yeah, a power block with lots of other things plugged in that you wanted to make sure were powered off overnight, you know, rather than sucking what is it called? Vampire electricity overnight. Vampire. Everything's on standby. That was clever. Okay. Well done. That's good.
Well done. Thank you. And the other thing that I want to do today is if you have something like a TV or a VCR, that's American by the way, what would we call it? A a video Video recorder. Recorder. Because we speak proper English. Yeah. DVD player also. The V and the R in VCR is video recorder. But anyway, I know. We what what you in such a rush for, you Americans. It's the same video cassette recorder if you're gonna say it. Yeah. VCR. I don't know who you think you are.
We don't believe in, yeah, energy saving here. You can get something like the, Logitech is it Logitech? Harmony Hub? Yep. Which is like a programmable universal remote control that is ALAD enabled. So then, you can teach it how what you're by using your well, either by searching on the Harmony Home Hub app for your particular, say, VCR model or, you know, flat screen TV model. Video recorder.
Yeah. And, it will automatically emulate that or you can, if it's not in the list, you can point your remote control at the thing, at this little Harmony Hub thing and press a certain button. I think it's the play, I can't remember. Then it will recognize what your what that device is, hopefully. And then you can control all those things that you would otherwise, only be able to control with a physical remote. And so that's how my sister controls her TV, her,
VCR and stuff like that. So, yeah. That's really good. And that's like £60 or something. So What I'm trying to figure out is all this teasing about Americans and their VCRs, and yet you Brits are still using VCRs. I mean Actually, no. It's the best quality. Pass pass up DVD. I mean, are you still using laser discs as well? I mean, yes. Come into the streaming for heaven's sakes. We're we're streaming now in America. Can I just say when it comes to the Harmony node, the app is an accessibility
nightmare? No. You gotta get someone else to You need site assistance. But there is other options as well. There are cheaper options. There's I believe it's from Broadcom. They do IR blasters as well. So what you're looking for is a a smart infrared blaster. So there may be other options out there.
I haven't looked into this in a in a while, but they are particularly handy for some, you know, things like fans, for example, which may not be smart accessible, but you got a little remote control with them, then you can control them using, you know, like Robin said. Aircon unit, maybe? Aircon. Yep. Yeah. And at this point, pretty much, the sky's the limit. Anything that you have in your house that runs on power
can be made smart. If it's a ceiling fan or or, you know, floor fan or desk lamp, as you said, you know, you know, portable air, you know, those air conditioners that you plug in, you know, anything like that absolutely can be made smart. I mean, I've even, Amazon had the the answer for this as well. You guys remember stuff a couple years ago, I got the Amazon Fire Cube, the TV Cube. And You hated it. No. Well, in the beginning, I was frustrated because I was having
trouble getting it set up. But once I kinda figured that all out, it's actually fantastic because I can talking to it, I can control the volume of the TV. I can switch between inputs, so I can switch between my Apple TV or the cable or the actual just, you know, the television, the smart TV itself. I can change the channel. I I can, you know, get information about what's on a
particular channel and get the program guide. So we have so many things that I can do just talking to that Fire TV Cube that, just you talk about opening up, you know, something for, you know, someone, you know, trying to watch television. I mean, it's it's fantastic of what it can do. So, yeah, literally, I I I think the the big picture, you know, point here is that, as I said, anything and everything in your home can be made accessible, can be made smart
as it were. And, you know, it it it really if especially if you get them on sale, if you look for the deals, you know, Amazon Prime Day or, you know, Black Friday or whatever, you can get smart plugs for very, very little money. You can get Yeah. $5. Yeah. $5, $10. Yeah. You know, get light bulbs. I think at Prime Day, I got two light bulbs for, like, $10. And they were the multicolored you know, they can do different colors and things like that. I love those. Used. I
don't know what it is. Game mode. Yeah. Exactly. Never use it, but it's gotta be an RGB. If they say here's a, you know, just just a white smart light bulb, Don't want it, mate. I don't want it. I want the one that I can turn blue, green, or red. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. Yeah. I've got two questions for Sean. Sorry, Tim. Yeah. So what? Question number one. Wait. What? What's this? A pop quiz? What's going on?
Yes. Why replace your lights in your house with smart ones if you could replace it a smart you know, the light switch on the wall with a smart switch could that could then control all, you know, six down lighters or something. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. But you're missing you're missing a couple of points here, Robin. As I just mentioned, look look, thirty seconds ago Oh, okay. I want the RGB capability.
I want to if I'm in the mood for love, I want to switch the room to a a a red tone, for example. Or if I'm meditating, then a nice green to calm me down. You see? RGB. Now the other reason is for a, changing the light switch, I need to get an electrician, a proper man in who can do this sort of thing. Whereas, I obviously can't. So I just simply unscrew a light bulb and screw another one in. That's within my talent. That's within my range and ability. So, there you go. Is that Oh, brilliant.
Sufficient? Well, I would give that a 10 and a half out of 10 for that answer. Thank you. Plus Thank you. Especially since long time listeners of other shows know what happens when Sean puts any of his extremities anywhere near electrical outlets. It's scary, especially when you're on the other side of that Zoom call when it happens. It's very scary. I've got a second question. Everything blows up. Yes. Go ahead, Ron. Question number two.
Trams, are they in Manchester, have they got like a fake noise? It sounded fake to me. No. Why? Why are you saying that? Because they're electric and they should be silent. But they have this kind of artificial acceleration and deceleration sound, which sounds a bit I don't know if that is artificial, but that's a very good point. I mean, considering they weigh fifth they do they do weigh 50 tons, Robin. So there is some sort of friction noise
there. I have heard that there were some, incident have been many many incidences here. Where people didn't hear them coming or didn't see them or whatever on their phones probably. But yeah. Alright. Listeners for listeners. Best chance. Listeners to know. I was in Sean's neck of the woods the other day. I'm near Stone's throwaway, but I disdained visiting him. Yeah. Disdained. That's what it was. Disdained? Why do you thought that is awful? That wasn't a word you meant to use, Robin?
Are you sure? Disdained to visit him. I wanted to catch him in his, Incredible Hulk, trousers, but Well, I'm sorry. You had your chance. You missed out. Yeah. It's interesting you say that though because there is, quite a few electric cars around here. And I was caught walking in the middle of the road with a car right behind me, and I had no idea. But he was a lovely fellow and didn't beep or anything. It's just I suddenly oh, there is a car behind me. Yes.
Yes. But there is one that makes this weird noise and it's obviously artificial. It's it's very, I don't know. It's it's it's weird but it sounds so futuristic and cool. I quite like it. I listened to a radio four program about sound engineering and the future of electric vehicles. And, yeah, there's a lot of thought that goes into them and they are as kind of, as much about the brand as the actual
kind of make of the car. So, you know, Porsche and BMW and all of these are gonna be having distinctive kind of signatures. Like a futuristic growl. Yes. Yeah. But obviously, it has to be simulated because it has to go up and down with the acceleration and stuff. I thought the tram sounded like that. That's all. But yeah. Thanks. Alright. Well, I'm not in charge of the trams, Robin. I I What can I tell you? I don't know. I'm not a tram engineer. But, I'll take the
exam and I'll get back to you. But Yeah. Well, next time you hear one, let me know. Feedback in a future show. Okay. Yeah. I'm just glad that Robin brought it back around again to prove our point, Sean, when we talk about how posh he is, and and the first two vehicles he talks about are are, you know, BMW Porsche. Porsche. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. You know? That's how he rolls. I remember a couple years ago, this is way, way off topic, but I think we've
already passed that point, Yes. With with this conversation. But, I remember when when you guys were investigating, your your benefits so you can get there in The UK and vehicle reimbursement. And I believe, if I remember correctly, the first couple vehicles Robin was looking at was, I can get a BMW. I can I really? I could do this. Oh, Robin. I do recall that actually, Robin. So, you know Robin, what car have you got? We had we had, for the longest time, an UGA five.
Oh, right. Okay. Which a very long time ago, when we first bought it, half price because it was a couple years old, it was a Peugeot five double o eight. Massive seven seater with a big boot space. But then the letters kept on dropping off. And it's a good one while. It was an UGA five. It's where I'm at. At this time in my life, I have a big boot space as well. Now it's a completely anonymous. It's like a stealth car. Have you not updated?
No. Are we are we We're gonna drive you guys really talking about cars. Yeah. And I still need a seven seater from time to time. But, yeah, at one point, we'll just go with the I don't know what what's a Ferrari electric one with gold gold knobs. That's what I'll go for. Gold knobs. There we go. There's the episode as well. Well, thank you. I think I think we're done. Note, I think we're finished. Wow. Okay. So I didn't lose control as badly as I, feared that I might.
Excellent job. All the way. We Ending on that start. Start. Yes. Exactly. So no. I I Good luck when Steven's on. Yeah. Well, that's the thing, isn't it? I'm already being teased on the Internet and getting emails saying, so how are you gonna do that when Steven's on the show? What what's that gonna be like? I'm like, I don't know. But, I've done it before. I have hosted a show with Steven as a guest before. Excuse me. But it has been a while, so we'll we'll see how that goes when
he is available. Because right now, he is he is, like, neck deep in in stuff at AMI audio, I think, right now and, trying to get things going with He's juggling. All kinds of shows and things. So we'll talk about that whenever we can get him on the show. And Sally Clay too. Shout out to Sally Clay. She's gonna be doing a master's program and, is is gonna be at uni and, as she says, and, going to be, yeah. She's gonna be busy. What are you saying? That's what it's called.
Well, that it's well, I mean What do you call it? As she says, because she said it. Well, I mean, I call it uni or university or Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. No. Let's let's let's nail this down. Oh, no. In America I'm trying to uni this thing. Yes. I know. Do you call it university or do you do you ever use the shortening of uni? Now the question is Tim. Don't lie. Now, see, I'm of two minds of this, and you guys know this because it's a pet peeve of mine that some Americans aren't,
familiar with certain terminologies from other countries. And and you guys know I I try to be, somebody who's aware of of things. So I have said it personally a few times just saying it. But, generally, is it said No. It's not. He's doing it for us, Sean. No. Yeah. Thank you. Sean can tell you. I was like that before you people, actually. I I what most of the shows I people. That's it. I'm off. That's it. Wow. See what you've done to me? Now you're you're turning me into Steven is what
it is. Now I know how Steven gets the way he feels sometimes. No. Jeez. No. But well, you know what? Never mind. We're just gonna end it right there. Yeah. Before I get in any kind of trouble that you guys cause. Anyway, I think I'd like to thank you both for being on the show. I I I think I do. Yeah. I do. I I'll thank you for being on the show. Thank you, Tim. It was a pleasure. Fantastic. If anybody so much. Oh, I appreciate it.
Thank you guys for being here again. And if anybody hasn't already, go check out Double Tap. Go check out the echoshow..dot, Sean of the Shed. My gosh. I'm accessible to round table. The the the random, audio pieces. We are? I mean, yeah, where wherever you can find us, just find us. If I if I can list them all, I'll try to put them all in the show notes. We'll see. Oh, that reminds me. Sorry. Shaun of the Shed, you'll find under the name AMI Accessible, Audio, I think.
AMI Exclusives. Accessible. Exclusives. Thank you. Thank you. Sorry. Thank you. Yes. Edit point. Or not. Maybe maybe I'll leave that in. But, yes. But, anyway, no. But, yeah, thank you guys so much. And, definitely, everybody out there listening, try to find these guys wherever you can. You'll definitely, you know, feel better for it, and, you'll you'll Well, no guarantees. You'll get a lot
out of it. But, no. Thanks again, guys, for being here, and I look forward to getting us all back together again in the future. Thanks, Tim. Gorgeous Tim. Thank you. Bye. Where's the actual music? Play it. Hit the button. No. I'm I'm not no. First of all.