He says she's so sweet, man. Come on and lick the rapper. Lick me like a lollipop. Lollipop, Lollipop Lollipop Lollipop Lollipop Lollipop. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to Candyland. Paige and I are here today talking about ethics on a wide scale, wide variety, answering so many questions. Hello, Polly Pocket. Hello, I feel like ethics are really like lacking in the collective, whether it's ethics at a job, ethics in your
relationships, friendships. Like ethics is important and so many people I feel like are just not taught good things anymore. Like we're absorbing so much from the Internet. We're absorbing so much content that's negative, constant negativity. And I feel like people pick up on that and they're like, well, fuck it, I'll just throw trash out the window or I'll just do these things because like, who cares? You know what I mean? I feel like there's not a lot of loyalty, integrity, or just like
ethics in the collective. And I feel like your ethics on things can change too, depending on like what new knowledge that you gain. And you know, as we evolve as people, so do the things that we find important and the boundaries that we have on things or our perception on things. And so I think that we got so many topics and questions for us to go through regarding ethics.
And these are things that like maybe we've talked about certain things in the past and now our opinion and like our ethic value wanted is different. And maybe it's things that we're going to say right now is like a definitive thing. And then in a year, we're going to be like, yeah, so that's changed, which that happens with us all the time, too.
Yeah, I definitely think that there's an evolution, but also like there are some core values that I feel like I hold very dear now, especially when it comes to spiritual guidance or psychic guidance or whatever it may be. Like we have a duty to help people if you're going to use your gifts, period. Yeah. You want to dive into a question. Yeah, yeah, I'll. Oh, OK. Is there a time when you wanted to Snoop psychically but you held yourself back? Oh yeah, Oh yeah, all the time.
I mean, honestly though, I can read a situation very clearly from the outside as long as I'm not inherently biased. So if I like a person romantically or I like someone or something like that, I can read the set like read the scene pretty clearly. But I'm also going to be biased into like what I want, you know what I mean? Like, oh, I think they're talking to their ex, but I don't
want that to be the case. So here I'm giving like all of this list of things that make excuses for their behavior. So I feel like I can read a situation without setting a circle pretty clearly, unless I am inherently biased. You ever think though, that maybe like you also can read situations wrong that don't have anything wrong with them because you do have like your own like underlying like jealousy or
concern about things. And so maybe you as a person might read something wrong that you may think that you're reading correctly and like gaslight yourself and Rev yourself up unnecessarily. Like for a reading for myself. Yeah, or reading other people who like maybe you're looking at a situation and because you think something or have your own concern deep down, maybe you look at a situation wrong that you think you're looking at right.
I mean, I think that with free will you can read a situation really clearly, but the circumstances changed based on the actions being taken by the person involved. Like, so just for an example, like five years ago, I got a lot of downloads and a lot of information about specific people, what at that time felt very concrete or very grounded
or very important. And although it didn't play out exactly how I had saw it, I still learned a lot from the spiritual catalyst of the situation overall. Like the twin flame journey really opened me up to my spiritual gifts. Do I think that that journey is real? Yes. Do I think everyone who thinks they're on that journey is on it? No. So the free will portion I think can change outcomes no matter
what you see. Like, I can see someone starting a podcast and, you know, living their best life, but if they have an inherent fear of sharing their voice or speaking up maybe from a past life or some type of karma that they're holding onto, then it's going to change the trajectory of that timeline, right? Like, but I can see it. And that doesn't mean that it's not a real timeline. It just means they're not going to evolve into the confident,
courageous person that they need to to fulfill that. 100%. So I think that free will plays a lot into the message. Like I can see people stepping it up, but if you choose to hit snooze on your alarm every morning when you needed that hour for journaling and meditation or the gym or whatever it is, then you're never going to reach that goal, even though I can see that timeline.
I think that's why a lot of people go for people's potential and promises versus action is because it's easy for you to be able to see different pathways that can be taken versus people being able to realize that full potential for themselves. And then rising to the occasion to kind of do it. Which is why I asked that question.
Because I I think that it is possible to see, you know, certain situations in a certain way that they presently are not, but that make you have concern about it or make you have security in it and ends up playing one way or another and people second guess themselves. And it really is like, no, you
saw it the right way. It just so happened to be that, you know, this person either rose to the occasion and so those concerns that you had are void, or they didn't make the moves that they needed to make to excel themselves on a certain path in a positive direction. And so people think that all they see is the potential, but really it's like people didn't take the necessary moves that they needed to in order to make things come out the way that it should have or could have.
I don't feel like I'm inherently biased unless I'm giving a reading to myself. Like then I'm biased because I have things I want, things I desire, things that I see happening. So I think that when it comes to another person's journey, I'm not biased at all. You know, I'm giving the message as it's coming through. But there is free will and there is action and intention that has to be taken from the person who's sitting and receiving
college. So I think that when it comes to my own journey, the message could be jumbled or inherently biased because I have a vision of what I see for myself. Just like I've gotten readings in the past and people are like, you're going to make music. And I'm like, what? Huh. And I still don't see it. I still, I still don't see it, even though I've, I've been to studios, I hang out with musicians, a lot of my friends make music, I still don't see it.
But I've had people say that to me a bunch, not just one reader, like 10. And then my life path also plays into that as well and my birth chart. So there's all these like signs and symbols, but I'm biased to the fact that I don't see that for myself. So therefore I'm taking no actions and no steps towards it. OK, well it is what it is. We'll see what happens when you
come out with your pop single. All right, your question, have you ever withheld information because the other person wasn't ready to hear it? Yeah, I've also. I also have a tendency of like, if I know that something's going to upset people unnecessarily, I don't want to say it or I'll make a point of being like, yeah, I'm being open about this, but I think it's going to upset you or something like that.
But I admittingly so I'm a very guarded person about information that I choose to share with people, unless it's like, if it's like I'm doing a spiritual session for somebody, no, I'm not going to hold back on the message that I'm giving and that I'm sharing. But if it's people inside of like my personal life, if I have any type of information or anything that I feel like is going to upset them, I want to keep it to myself. But that ends up making people
feel like you're closed off. And even if you do things because like you want to protect people around you or whatever, it comes off as secrets or as you being like a closed off person versus you being like, oh, well, I just thought that this information would be a burden or that this information would cause chaos. And so I chose to keep it to
myself. And when I think about it, I would rather know things good, bad, ugly, whatever, and be able to have the personal freedom and discernment to handle it how I'm going to. But that's something that I really work on as a person. That's something I've been working on currently. Yeah, I think that I don't like if you're in a circle, I just read it however that it needs to be read. Like I don't have any bias to what's coming out. I just feel like I'm reading the
book of your life. However, like if spirit saying go to page 37, page 42, skip this chapter, go to that chapter. I just do it. So I'm not biased in that sense, but being so spiritually in tune, I can look around, even on Facebook, and just see where people are creating their own misery. So instead of interjecting or being a person who's like
commenting, I just delete them. I haven't been a scroller recently, like I haven't, I told you, like I've been really like taking a step back from social media and things like that and not seeing people's bullshit and fuckery makes life so much more cool like it. It's so much nicer to live your own reality versus seeing people's like, bullshit thing.
And we've talked about it before, but like, I think it's hella weird when people are posting about their relationship all the time of like, me and Jim had a fight and, you know, Jim's sleeping on the couch. And then the next day it's like, Kim brought me chocolates and now we're talking about it. And then like, we talked and then this happened and it's just the weirdest fucking thing to me.
Yeah, I feel like if you know in your heart you're going to get back with that person, don't air out your business. Like don't tell us that he doesn't wash his ass and has shit stains in his underwear and then be posting to him a week later or. Just don't tell anybody about it because truly at the end of the day, nobody gives a flying fuck. Yeah, I feel like I just delete people constantly now.
Like I'm constantly deleting, unfollowing and blocking people who have stank ass energy, who stay in fear, who spread fear like a wildfire. Like I just don't got no time for it. Like that's their reality and they're more than entitled to live whatever reality they want to live. But I'm so done reading it, looking at it, or consuming it all together. I've got the next question for you. Would you want a romantic partner to read your energy without asking? I think they would already be
doing that. I feel like reading energy is like when you meet someone and you're like, I like that person or I don't like that person or they get on my nerves or out, you know what I mean? I feel like people are reading energy and people's auras regardless if you know you're doing it, regardless if you're tapped into it. So I would say like that's happening regardless. Like I've had a lot of people say like, I love your energy.
I love how your energy feels. But what happens is they see that I'm actually able to sustain this energy. It's not just like on Fridays or on payday or once a week. I'm like this. So I'm like this every fucking day. Like, but I think that I'm starting to get more like unapologetic and more like vengeful a little bit. Like if you cross me, you should be scared at this point. Like I'm so sick of people thinking that they can take advantage of people's kindness.
Like I'm literally so done with people being manipulative, whether it's family, friends, acquaintances, people on the Internet, that you should stay the fuck out of my way if you know what's good for your health, wealth, or well-being. Like that's where I'm at now. Like it's bad. Like I'm so done with people setting in their own misery and then spewing that around for everyone to read and consume and absorb. No, fuck you. Big time. This girl's on one.
No, I agree with you. I think that, but I don't think that everybody does that inside of relationships. Like I think that you that you should be able to be in touch with each other's energy and and whatever. And sometimes you have to be like, that's not actually the frequency that I'm on, like we're over here, you know, and have conversations. But I think that that's how you are able to adjust, like whether things are going good, whether
things aren't going good. Being able to be sensitive to understanding, like how your partner's energy is in certain situations and have an understanding. And that's like where communication comes in of like you weren't picking up on this, but this is how this is so you can recognize it the next time. I think that that's always supposed to be a thing is like being able to check in with each other and make sure that those things are good. But I don't think that a lot of people do that.
I think if you're unhappy in your own internal world, you're not going to be able to truly gauge what's going on around you because you're being so consumed and drained by your own inner world. And I think that when you really choose to work on your inner world rather than jumping into a different relationship or thinking something's going to fix you, like money or a job or a car or whatever, so many people give that power to side things. And I think it really all starts within.
And I've seen in the past where I wasn't able to be myself or be the best version of myself because someone else was affected by that because they're unhappy. They didn't want to see me shine. And I feel like I've really got this reference of like, a lot of men. Especially men like to squash their partner like a bug and keep them small. Keep them small. Don't wear that. You can't wear that. You got to ask to do this. What are you doing? Why are you posting that?
You know what I mean? Like men who are unhappy seem to keep their partner small, but men who are very happy and secure in themselves build their partner up rather than tearing their partner down. So I think a lot of the energetic blockages are people who are unhappy on the inside,
projecting that outward. I've also seen so like to your point, like you see men doing that in, in very specific ways, but I've also seen a lot of women who do that too, who are like, they don't want their partner to be able to grow and to do things. And like, that is something that I've really been coming into recently because I, I've noticed that with like women in my life who they want, they want their partner to support them and all of these different avenues.
But like their husband has jobs that they hate and they don't help navigate it so that their husband can have different jobs or, you know, they, you know, their partner is unhappy in this way. And all they care about is how they're being emotionally fulfilled and not how to change it. And they want, you know, to be able to talk, walk, think, dress, however they want to, but they want their partner to be very specific. And so I think that that's where like communication comes into
play. And it should be like, what are the things that you need? What are the things that I need? How do we make each other come to that? And that's where sensing each other's energy and having those conversations. And I think it boils down to communication. And I think we've all been in dynamics where we're not able to communicate things. Other people can't communicate things.
That makes the energy funky. And I also think that people can be too dope ass people who are real shit together. And there are people who are awful people who end up being able to like build things. And it all just comes with what your your checks and your balance for. Me, it feels like if you're growing as a person alongside
someone, that's super important. But it's like when people are wrapped up and like, well, this is the version I've always been and this is what I've always done and I'm not changing it. This is what my dad did or this is what my mom did.
Like I saw this perspective and it said if you're with a man who watched his mom struggle, like being a single mom or, you know, having to work multiple jobs or whatever it may be, they're not going to physically help you because they watch their own mom struggle and they see struggle as love, someone who's sacrificing their own needs for them or sacrificing their own well-being for them. And so as a child, it's like, children really do need to see cooperation and like, you know,
support mutually. I didn't have that growing up. But I think so many people are underestimating the power of, like, compromise, whether you're with a person, not with a person, but so many people just want to be right. They just want to be right. Like, they're not compromising, you know? So I think in my experience, I cut women off, but men, I let them stick around a little longer. You know what I mean? Like I let them manipulate me a little longer. But women, like friends, whoever.
I'll never, ever let a woman back into my life that's fucked me over. But a man, I don't know why I've let them back in before. I think it also depends too, Like there are people who you know, to your point, like they do have that struggle. They do have these certain things, but then they're like, oh, I take that as a strength and I have respect for women in these positions or, or you know,
whatever. And I would want to assist them so that they don't have those struggles and so they don't have those difficulties. And that's where it's like the people who choose to see the struggles and things that they went through that they witnessed as either reasons to continue that on or as reasons to completely end it and see something happen and see something different. And it's like where people's comfortability and complacency
is too. Like if you don't have a problem with watching somebody struggle and you think that that's how it's going to be, yeah, you're going to continue that on. And there are tons of people like that. And then there are people who are like, I'm going to have the complete fucking opposite. And they only go for people that are the complete opposite, you know? And yeah, I, I think that's where you get extremes and things though, and, and people that have to have extreme
specifics inside of things. And that's why people won't break out of cycles and patterns is because they only see the world as black and white. And they see that this is exactly what I need and what I'm expecting and exactly how things need to be instead of being like OK, well I like these things. I don't like these things. How do we grow and mold and change these things? And how can I share my perspective of what I've seen and experienced versus what
you're currently experiencing? And how do we blend those things? Together. I feel like this feeds off to the people who are like brought up in the same environment and like 1 is a crackhead and one is sober and doesn't touch drugs and then will blame their parents but the other one took what their parents did and evolved past it. So I've seen that a lot in my experience, most men that I've dated have had like mommy or daddy issues, whether whichever side.
And I feel like that's reflected in their like attachment style, how they show up in relationships. And overall, I've learned that I would much rather be alone than be brought down by limiting energy. And that's all I've ever seen. So I don't have a good story to say. I don't have like a, oh, we were just different people and we evolved and we're, we're cool and cordial. No, fuck all of them. They can all fuck off. You know what I mean? Like I don't have any representation of that.
So I would love to have someone who's like growing and wants to grow together rather than grow apart because in the past, people saw my elevation as a threat. And that sucks because you like them and you want to make excuses for them or whatever it is. But the truth is, most people will say most don't want to see you outshine them. They don't want to see you recognize that you're better than them because they're refusing to change or refusing to grow alongside you, which
sucks. Yeah, that's unfortunate. Is it your question or mine? I think it's yours. Like I need to ask you. No, I think I'm asking you. Oh well, we both know I don't like answering the questions, I like asking the questions. How do we discern between authentic spiritual work and manipulation such as fear based readings or exploitative practices?
I feel like how it's making you feel in the moment, like if you're going into a session and and you're getting a reading from somebody and it makes you feel like you're scared or it makes you feel very overwhelmed or very nervous, or it makes you feel like you know you've got some like weird stuff going on with you that you didn't realize in the moment.
If you don't, if you're not feeling connected and fulfilled inside of the moment, there's some type of fear based thing being pushed at you or manipulation thing because it's the way that we do our readings. At least it's supposed to be giving you some sort of a positive guidance. It's supposed to be making you feel like there's different pathways and different options for you.
If people are talking to you about different services that they have during the reading, I don't feel like that's a
manipulative thing. I feel like there are a lot of times that it's like, OK, I like, for instance, like I might do like a new client reading with somebody and I have a conversation with them and I'm like, you know what the the things that are coming up during this reading, I actually touch on on my Patreon. That would be really helpful if that ends up being something that you want to do. These are different options. And then you can send them on
their way. But if you have somebody who's like and and that's like a hey, Ioffer this thing here you go as an example. But then you also have people who will do a reading and they'll be like, you have a spider entity attached to your back. And if you don't pay me $400.00 by the end of the day and then go take a sip of, you know, white water, then you're going to die and your children are going to be cursed. That's somebody being manipulative and using a fear
tactic on you. So if you just feel like something isn't right, it's not right also to to put out there that somebody may not be meaning to be manipulative or be a negative energy for you. Somebody can have all the best intention, but the way that they connect with energy and the messages that they're delivering for you in that style, if it makes you feel uncomfy, then there's a reason for that and they're just not the person for you to be vibing with.
When I went through like my mentorship program, my mentor always said to like, make sure you're saying a blessing and that if the reader doesn't say a blessing, that's a red flag because they could just be pulling energy from wherever. Like if they're not setting a circle with you as the main focal point, they could be letting energy from past sessions from their own karmic ties, their own blueprint bleed
into your reading. I also feel like if someone solicits you for a reading, that's a fucking red flag. That's how you all should know it's a scammer because they're messaging you first. If you're watching someone and
you book with them, cool. But if someone comes to you and says you should get a reading with me or you should do this without you reaching out or inquiring first, that's manipulation to me. Recommending services during a session is one thing, but literally DM ING people and sending your services is manipulation.
So, you know, there's been times I've done a reading and I'm like, you could really benefit from a chakra clearing or a cord cutting or whatever, but I never make the session about the recommendation. I just like briefly say it and keep it pushing or whatever. But I think some people book readings with the intentions of giving you false information because they're not working in the highest and best energy.
They're in low vibrational. Like I'll just be honest, if I'm getting a reading from someone that drinks all the time, that does low vibrational stuff all the time, whatever it may be, I know our energy's not going to be a match. I just know it's not like remember that shot a girl that blocked us. Not the name, not the specific name call. This picture deal this girl had given me readings me, her and Gemini had hopped on a call,
vibed had a good time. Then out of nowhere she blocked both of us on everything and I don't know what the fuck that was about. Like one time I got a reading from her y'all and she showed up breastfeeding her baby. I was fine with it she breastfed the whole time. I did not care. I just don't know why she blocked me and you and everything. Like so weird. People get triggered though, like people. I was going to say that. Get into your energy and be triggered by your gifts, by your
light, by your path. And that's why I have learned that getting readings from people who do not know me at all. They're not my friend. They're not someone one I've ever met. They do not know me at all. Has been super impactful for my journey because I can tell when they're being biased or not being biased. I can tell when they're being
legit or not being legit. But I've learned that like once I develop a relationship with someone and they love me or they like me or they want what's best for me, that comes through in the reading. Not that it's a bad reading, it's a great reading. But sometimes it's nice to get that hardcore, like mic drop reading from someone who does not fucking know you and they have no way of knowing any of
that. So I think that experimenting and learning what works for you is important because sometimes, you know, my reading style is a lot different than other people's reading styles and whatever in between. And sometimes you're just going to resonate with someone else's readings more. But sometimes I think there are like fluffy readers who keep it very general, like grandma is
here every time or whatever. So I think it's just important to like try different psychics, try different mediums, get multiple readings, ask the same question to four different people and see what works for you, see what's you know, what reading style and what type. Like I'm shifting away from live readings and just going into prerecord with like a follow up call option because I just don't want to be in everyone's energy
all the time. I don't wanna have to be at a certain place at a certain time because sometimes the energy is just not good. That's why I keep my spell work very open and tentative, because sometimes the energy is just not good for whatever the persons asking. And I think it's important as a practitioner, as someone who wants to use their spiritual gifts for others to have fucking boundaries and know that not all money is good money.
Not all people want to see you shine, and not all people want to take the message and do anything with it. They want you to lead them to the water and then they're going to complain the water doesn't have ice in it or whatever. I also don't think like, you know, in regards to like that specific girl and stuff like that.
I also don't think that people necessarily realize when they're being triggered by something like they don't necessarily know what it is about you or you and I or whatever that they're like, hey, I really vibed with this. And then I don't. But I think that you and I both as people have really high expectations of people in general. And it's not something to apologize for.
I've had to come to terms with the fact that I just have really high expectations and it's because I do not have a lot of people that I let into my inner circle or that I certainly not that I trust or you know, going to give loyalty to. So if I am going to trust people and let them into my circle, I have very high expectations of and the energy that they give back and, and just what I'm expecting from them.
And people either really like that and they want to be your friend or they don't like that and they can't rise to the occasion And it makes them very uncomfortable and it put it makes them feel like there's a pressure of some kind. And I think that whether it be that girl or people who have been in our community spaces in the past or whatever, I think that that's it's not an easy thing for people to feel like
there's an expectation. And some people only want to come and they only want to give the version of who they are in that moment. And they never want to grow. And when they see people who constantly want to do better and who have a new goal and a new mission and a new thing that they want to achieve, that's another thing. You and I always have a goal. We always have something, whether it be family life, business life, you know, personal, we always have a new goal and something that we're
wanting to reach. And that makes a lot of people feel very uncomfortable because they like to be consistent or stagnant. And we are constantly moving and developing and evolving. And people in our life are always having to be on that same trajectory. And it either motivates people or it makes people feel inferior and uncomfortable and they don't want to put energy in.
And I think that that's where a lot of times we have friendships lapse or, you know, people who have come on the podcast even that we've been like, yeah, like, it's a cool vibe. And then they're like, I love what you're doing. I'm just going to copy everything that you do and never
do anything for myself. And then we see them fall off and they don't have anything happening because the same energy that's working for us and the way that we hustle and do things isn't going to be the same way that we are, you know? Yeah, I think there's an evolution. Like there's people at the beginning of my journey that really resonated with me. Like big Empress energy.
I loved her collective stuff. I did her tarot class and all these things, but it was like once she got a taste of like real money from her gifts, her ego got so loud and like front and center on the stage and I just stopped resonating with her. I stopped giving her money. I stopped booking her circles. I stopped doing her collective Reiki's and all the things not to say she's not powerful, not to say her gifts weren't worth money.
I just saw where it was proud of this Louis this over in Spain, you know, like just different things that just felt manipulative. It felt ego driven. It felt self-centered even. And I'm not against her. I unfollowed her. You know, I like her oils. I may buy one in the future. But like, there are people that in the beginning will resonate with you. But as you grow as a person or as you evolve as a person or as they're doing the same, you can grow apart.
You know some things are magnets and you stay tight together, but then there's the opposite side of the magnet that repels each. Other and it's. The same fucking magnet, right? Like it's the same magnet that you started with. It just depends on what and I think sometimes people see competition that doesn't exist seeing. Competition that doesn't exist is a thing.
Or people thinking that if you're doing well, it's to compete with them or it's because you think that you're better versus I wasn't comparing myself to you, I was comparing me to me. And I'll be damned if I stay the same bitch. I got to evolve. I got to keep on doing different things. I got to, you know, whatever. Yeah, absolutely. Let me ask you a question. Do spiritual practitioners have a responsibility to set boundaries with clients? And where should those ethical lines be drawn?
Well, I think I'm learning. This. I learned it the hard way a few times. You can't be friends with everybody. Like people get into your community spaces, they get into your life, they get into your energy, and sometimes they're leeching onto you as a guide because they don't want to really do the work. It's like, Oh well, if I meet with her once a month and get tips and tricks and can text her, oh, I'm doing the work, but that's not doing the fucking work. You know what I mean?
So I think that overall I have learned just because someone wants to be my friend doesn't mean that I need to be their friend right then or cater to them or, or every client becomes my friend. Yes, there are plenty of clients that have became my friend. There are plenty of clients that I absolutely adore that I don't talk to all the time and I still
see them as a friend. But it's like, you know, this whole, we went through it before driving from like Kansas and all these different places to come visit me and then stir shit when you get here, Fucking weird energy. So I've just learned the hard way that just because people want to be in my energy doesn't mean that they should be. Doesn't mean that they're welcome, even though they might be like showering me with gifts or hyping me up or constantly acting like they're my best friend.
It's sometimes for show, it's sometimes for personal gain, financial gain, spiritual gain. And I've just really learned that overall, not everyone deserves to be in your energy. And regardless if they're giving you money, regardless if you like them, regardless of any intentions involved, you can't be friends with everyone. And you've got to draw the line between like client and friend sometimes the hard way.
And I've learned that like, so as far as like meeting people from the Internet and flying out and doing the crazy shit that I've done in the past, it worked. I've saw a lot of beautiful places, but you and I almost got killed on a fucking ATV in the Moab desert. So it's like, you can eat crazy bitches all day from the Internet. They can hype you up, buy your merch, support your business, but they're not your friend.
So I used. You as an excuse twice this week just so that you know, and this doesn't have to do with what you're talking about, but it just popped into my mind. So I got collaboration offer twice this week from two different people who were like, I have this going and like I think that we should partner in it and then the other person was like I know so and so and like you should collab with them and
I was like, oh, I'm sorry. Paige has been telling me recently that I shouldn't do collaborations and I'm kind of tired of getting fucked over on business. So I'm only doing my own thing and the only person I partner with is Paige. And this has been heavy in my readings, so I'm going to stick with this. And I was like, I'm so excited to tell you on the podcast. And then it took that coming up for me to be like, listen, I've been taking the life advice. I mean, that's really real
though. Like from anyone outside looking in can see Gemini is doing a lot and has done a lot but there have been so many fake motherfuckers over the years that want to creep in and and say the dumbest craziest shit. Like trying to convince her that. You know that you need them. That you need their ID or that you need their collab or their energy. And it's like you're. The source, babe.
Like you're. The plug like they the one that got me. Was hiring that manager like quote, you guys can't see the Bunny fingers, but the, the, the manager and the way that I got like completely just fucked over and screwed over and that entire business arrangement. And they recently were actually messaging people inside of my community space and we're like, Hey, I gave you an astrology
reading in the past. Can you go to my website and can you leave me a review And can you do this, that and the other. And so I emailed them and was like, Hey, I'm getting complaints from people like, can you please not do that? They'd reached out to like, they'd reached out to me via e-mail like two or three times. And we're like, this full moon is coming up. Are you doing anything for it? Do you need help? Whatever. And I finally was like, the time for this help would have been
when I was employing you. Now that I'm not employing you, you know, and they were really mad about it. But that for me was the last situation where I was like, I'm going to help out somebody that doesn't have anything going for them and put in all of this effort where other people don't
put an effort. And I've made it a real thing of like, I love being a helpful person and I love helping build people up And I I love being that support, but I am so tired of being that person and being drained to do it and not having energy exchange that what no matter who it like I just I won't like I require an equal energy exchange. And that coming into business has been so helpful. And right now I and I have things that I'm like, yeah, I
want to be doing this. I, you know, eventually I'd like to do that. I'd like to do this. This is the first time in my business where I'm like, or my life in general where I'm like, I'm happy with how things are in this moment. And I don't feel the need to fucking push, push, push, push in order to have validation on anything. And that I can just hang. I don't want new collaborations. I I don't want any of that shit.
I think in the beginning. Of any journey, whether it's spiritual, being an entrepreneur, or whatever it may be, you want collaboration. Like you want to connect with people, you want to share your tips and whatever. Like hell, I did free readings for a whole freaking year on my website to anyone who wanted to book one.
But at the same time, I feel like once you get burned a few times and you actually build some strength and some courage and some wisdom in the situation, you realize that not all money is good money. Not all clients are good clients. Not all collaborations are going
to pay off. And most of them end up being like a group project in college where one person ends up doing all the fucking work and everyone else gets a grade and takes credit for it. And I've learned, especially with you and I, we have a very similar personality style where it's like if there's things to be done, like we'll get them done. But other people see it as like, oh, well, Gemini will take care of that or Gemini is paying me, but I'm just going to let her do it.
She does it better. You know, I think there's like a fine line between people wanting a front row seat to the show so they can say they know you or the people who really want to be backstage and see how much it goes into the fucking show. Because I'll tell you. A lot of people don't realize, like, even at like a Jelly roll show, how many people are backstage doing the things they're doing to make that show.
Possible. From like start to finish, it is so much work, so many semi, so many buses, so many people. And I just don't think that people realize that like Jelly gets all this credit. Like the show was amazing, everything was great, but like there is so much that goes into that. And even like the staff at the venues and I feel like that's the same way. Like with business and in general, you don't see what goes
on behind the scenes. You don't see how many times I've went through a dark night of the soul realizing that I was groomed or that I was taking advantage of our things that I was embodying with shame and guilt actually were not my fault. Actually, we're not me. We're not conscious choices or whatever. That's why a lot of people don't want to explore that. They want to see the final product.
They want to see the pretty shiny object and sit in the front row and say, that's my friend, I know them. But they don't see the blood, fucking sweat and tears that goes in on the back end. And I think that when you are generating income on your talents, your abilities, your wisdom, whatever it is, people see that as something that's easy. It's not. They do see it as something. That's easy.
But I also think that a majority of those of us who are building ourselves that way and who are doing that don't always understand what our potential is and what our influence in other people's life is. And like I know that it's only been recently that I am like. Understanding like. Maybe I'm the main character in that situation, Maybe I'm the influential person in that situation, because it really is like. A part of your healing.
Journey to realize that maybe you're the person that other people might look up to or that other people are getting inspiration from versus being the person like I, I think
that's what I didn't realize. I didn't realize that people were wanting to do things with me because they thought that I would get them ahead versus I thought people wanted to do things with me business wise or be my friend because they just liked me. It what I didn't realize that it was because they thought they were going to get something out of me. And that's been that's a really
hard realization to have. And if you're already somebody who's closed off and has boundaries, that's that's really, really fucking difficult I. Completely agree. With that and I think that's what's so cool and like organic about our project as we've been doing this for like going on four years and there's never been like an underlying motive. You know my following has grown your your following went from zero to fucking 1000 and that wasn't at the beginning. We didn't have that at the
beginning. We were just like we talk on FaceTime every week for like 5 hours. Why don't we record this like this is in? Time that we're already. Putting in why don't we do something with this? I will say that I was like, wow, Jim and I knows how to start the podcast, but if you wouldn't have known, I would have done the research. I would have figured like that wouldn't have stopped me from
having a podcast. I'm glad that we were able to do it together because I see that I would have had a podcast regardless whether it was a solo project or a duo project I was going to have. This is like, this is me. This is what I live for. So when I. Say like it was nice that you had some background information you still. Didn't. Like come and do it all like I did the website I did.
Like we keep it really balanced. I don't think a lot of people realize like the balance has always been there. It's just not been so like upfront and in your face, but the balance was always there. It was more about like the commitment. A lot of people don't want to be committed to something unless it's generating income, unless it's benefiting them or less it's bringing in followers or
whatever. And my favorite thing about the Internet is people just don't realize that your favorite influencer that has 300,000 followers has a bunch of Klarna debt because they do the pay as you go. They're not in a good place mentally. They're selling you a dream. They aren't even living. They rent. You know, even these entrepreneur people are like, oh, I can make $1,000,000 a
year. Yeah, by selling this bogus ass course for $3000 a pop. All you need is 10 people to buy and you made $30,000 in one month. I get it. But you're not rich, you're not cute, you're not funny. And I just get annoyed. Like I can see through the facade now where I. Don't care if. You want to give me $500? I don't want to do spell work for you. I don't care what you're trying to give me. I'm over it. But in the past, like, Oh my God, they're investing. In me I have.
To give and give and give and give. Now I'm like skirt, no, no, thank you. And with that. Balance too. Everything. 'S always changing, like our lives are constantly ebbing and flowing. And like now that I'm really not doing social media, I make the promo and the stuff you're posting it on the lollipop Instagram. You're, you know, when people message there, you're reaching out to them, You're putting it on your personals and different things.
There's a lot of things that I'm doing now that are behind the scenes, things that aren't the in your face things because those are the things that you're good at. And right now I'm gonna like protect my peace and stay off the Internet and social media space and, you know, and figure out building differently and new. And that's something that you're really good at.
And that's really helpful for me in this era where for the last five years, I have consistently had at least 8 projects going at a time, stressed the fuck out, losing my hair, not sleeping miserable all the fucking time. And I don't, And now that I'm like, hey, I'm putting a boundary up on that. I'm not doing these things. You're doing all of these other pieces. And it's not like it has to be a conversation. It's just known.
You're sending me, you know, the episode, I make promo things and send them to you. Let me know what you think. Let me know if you need more. And you're putting them out into the universe. And it's a, it's a checks and a balances thing. And that's the way that business partnerships or whatever I feel like are supposed to go is you should have somebody who's, you know, doing these things and someone who's doing those things.
And if it feels like it's constantly work, it's not a passion project anymore, which is why I'm not doing Covenant of Rejects right now or ever again because something that was a passion project became not just like there's a difference between like, oh, I have to put work into it and being annoyed by it. And just being like, this isn't even fucking fun anymore. And that's where so many projects went is like, this isn't even fucking fun anymore. This isn't work that I want to do.
I don't even like this. And you know, like fuck that. And. Honestly, that's where like I'm shifting away from live readings completely because I want to set my energetic boundary is the fact that if I don't want to do this on Tuesday and Thursday or whatever the day it is, I don't want to fucking do it. If I want to do the reading, I'll get it to you in a window, but it's not a 72 hour turn around. Like I'm working on the clock
and answering to you. That's what I think was messed up for both of us is we made it like, Oh my God, you want to give me your money now I'm answering to you. Oh, you want me to give you extra insight and guidance in the DM for free? Oh yeah, I'm giving to you. I'm giving to you. See my worth, see my worth. I went through that, you went through that and now I don't give a fuck. At this point, I do not care what anyone thinks. Like I am so.
Connected to like the. Lilith energy of fuck around and find out. I do not. I'm not really love this version. Of you because literally I. Don't know if it was like the miscarriage or the whole unfolding of that that is really activated. The fact that I I am not here to live to make other people happy. I'm not here to make sure that you're doing your spiritual work. I'm here to be guided to do what I feel called to do.
And if I'm so drained all the damn time, I don't have time for the gym or for myself or for my own practices. I knew there was a boundary that was being crossed when I'm doing all this spell work for other people but was slacking on even doing any for my own self. But now I'm almost shifting into an element of I don't want your money. And the more that I say that, the more people are like, hey, hey, hey, your Patreon sold out. Is that true? Or hey, what's up? And if I want to take your
money, I will. And I'll give you an amazing reading. But I'm going into scarcity mindset. You, you don't have access to me. Even when you think you do, you don't. And if you want access to me, be low. Be ready to get them doll hairs out of your wallet because I'm telling you right now when I come back, y'all are not going to like the pricing. I'm literally pricing it where I'm no longer accessible. I am a tool and a resource that you're not abusing anymore.
You're not getting little $44.00 readings every other day so you don't have to sit with yourself in the dark. Period. I feel like you. And I have really like switched our energies and, and like mirrored each other like opposite since the podcast started because it used to be that I was the one that was like, fuck you guys on give up fucks.
And and now I'm like, no, I'm trying to like be a gentler version of myself and be more like my feminine energy and like not have to be so aggressive and assertive all the time. And like, I'm really trying to find that person And you're like, I'll fucking set you on fire. Fuck you. Don't pay me all I got to say. Is what I have activated in my personal spell work.
You better not be speaking I'll on my name or you won't be happy with your results and I don't care what happens to you at this point. See, I used to care. I used to like, Oh my God, I don't want them. No, I want you to feel it. I really want you to feel it. When I started seeing people weave in their tongue swells and their hair falls out and the tires fall off their car and to spell work, I was like, huh, that's crazy. And now I'm like, damn, they were before their time.
They knew what the fuck was up. And I'm not saying that I'm out here doing that to just innocent people, but if you have one, I'll bone in your body, one jealous bone, one envious bone that you're sending towards me, you better watch the fuck out. You better put a full body cast on because I don't know what will happen to you. Like put a helmet on in the car, wear a mask. You need it.
You know what I mean? Like I'm seriously at that point and I think that all of the nice girl like, oh, I want to be rated E for everyone. I want to help everyone. I want to save everyone. I do not care anymore. Like after you've done went to the depths of your own soul and saw your shadow and faced your demons as loudly as possible and as real as possible, I no longer need approval from anything in this world. I no longer work for any energies in this world. That's people, places, things
included. Like I'm on a you're either with it or you're getting left behind. I'm no longer dragging you with me energy. Amen. Are we ending? On that, no, because that's the perfect thing on a question. OK. Is it? Your turn or mine, it's yours. OK. How do we balance? Individual's spiritual paths with collective responsibility, ensuring that we don't contribute to cultural appropriation or the misuse of sacred traditions. Educating yourself.
And we've talked about that before when we've talked about like closed practices on things like that. I think that researching things and educating things for yourself while you're figuring out what works for you, there's not a problem with you doing with you learning certain things. It's you invoking energies or whatever that you're not understanding that you aren't specifically supposed to be working with.
So I, I don't really, I feel like that's a really difficult question because I feel like there's a lot of different pieces. I don't think that it fucks with the collective in any capacity for you to fuck around and find out, but I think that it fucks with you. So if you're going to be doing anything that's manipulating energy in any sort of way, you should understand that there's always a, a reaction to something. That something that you do always has a consequence.
It might be a positive consequence, it might be a negative consequence, but regardless of what you're doing, there's always a consequence. And I use money spells as an example all the time when I'm teaching classes. You can do a money spell and you, you know, your purpose of it is that you have more income coming into your home. The consequence of that is that you're going to have to work
more. You're going to have, you know, did you put specifics into that spell working for that money coming to you ethically for you not having to go out and do something that you don't want to do to make that money come in, You know, is that money that you're then going to have to pay back later on that you're not going to have. So there's always just a consequence with whatever it is
that you're doing energetically. I think that it affects you personally and then what you choose to do with your fuck around and find out is what affects other people and has a collective reaction to something. It might just affect, you know, it if it might just affect you having this money pouring in, whatever at first, but then that's going to trickle into your family as far as like, what's the consequence for that money? Where did you get that money? How did you get that money?
Are you cool with the way that you got that money? Can you, you know, was that part of your ethics and your morals how you got it? Did you have to take from somebody else to get it? And I think that's when it starts to affect people around you and. To add to. That I feel like I'm real big on amplification, like of what I'm sending out.
So like, I'm not going to send you anything that you haven't physically tried to send out to someone else, whether it's just like shady ass, enter stealing, being manipulative, being a narcissist, just whatever it is that you're doing, I'm about to amplify that back to you. So also I got to say is if you want to stay above board with everything, don't be sending ill will out there because the person who mirrors it amplifies that to you. You're not going to like it.
And the universe will return whatever you're putting out. And I do think that we as practitioners have to learn deeper into our craft to get to the breaking point where it's like, wow, I can't save everyone, but I was trying, not you lead yourself to burnout. So I think that's where both of us taking a step. Back is so. Divinely guided because most people would not, especially at the height of their social media presence or the height of their
business. All this money is trying to come in. But when you tell the universe, I'm good on that, I'm going to take a step back and focus on me, it's only going to give you more. So I really feel like nothing worth losing can be lost, but you have to put the energy and intention out there to to receive what you are. I truly feel. Like everything that you and I are stepping back from right now. Like you, you know, you're stepping back from the live readings and what you were
doing. I'm stepping back from social media and creating content and whatever I feel like that's freeing up so much time and energy and like mental space and freedom for so many other things to come in and for us to be able to see new directions. I would, I have been operating on burnout for so long and like frustration that it doesn't matter to me that it was the height of, you know, social media or I was making the most money that I've ever made or
anything else like that. Personal peace and being able to see different options, and I know you're experiencing that too, is so much more comfort than the dollar amount or the the feeling of success or anything that it really comes a point where it's like the success isn't worth the mental exhaustion. And what even is that success? Like, yeah, OK, cool. I reached the goals that I had. It really doesn't fucking feel as good as you think it's going
to feel. And, and I'll say that like I hit every fucking goal that I set out for myself. That success feeling feels fucking lonely. People want to pull from you and drain you. And if you are not doing the things that truly make you fucking happy and fulfilled, it doesn't. Doesn't matter the money, it doesn't matter the people. It feels fucking lonely and draining. And that's why they. Say rich and famous and all these people like they're just people and they have more
problems than you could imagine. So with that note, money won't fix your problems. Healing will. And we will see you next time in fucking Candyland. Bye, guys. Bye. Uh huh. Yeah, he says. She's so sweet, man. Come on. Like the rapper live me like a lollipop. Lollipop, lollipop, lollipop, lollipop, lollipop, lollipop, lollipop. You want to swallow my spirit and penetrate my aura? Taste. All of my consciousness is obvious. We're goddesses full of the divine femininity.