THE JUBER DEBUT

Welcome to Fucking Candy Land, hosted by Rampage and Gemini. Welcome back to Candyland. We have a very special guest tonight and of course my beautiful Co host Gemini. And we're so excited to bring in this guest in this perspective of a previous episode that we recorded called Home Girl. So if you haven't listened to Home Girl, go listen to Home Girl before listening to this Gemini.

When people usually first find our podcast, like I'm telling people about the podcast, I'm always like you should go and listen to the episode Home Girl because I feel like that's where we met and where we like really started having like our own dynamic and relationship. And then we I met Juber on that trip too and it like it's like she Co signed on our love. We had a good time with you. Honestly, I'm really glad that

the crazy girl home girl. We looked all that up because let's throw it all the way back to a woman that we knew through our communities. We'll just call her home girl. She had the intentions of bringing us out to Utah and kept asking. It's not like we go around and ask strangers, hey, you live in Utah? I really want to go there. Can I come there? It's not like I do that. It's when people are like, Oh my gosh, we do so much fun stuff here.

I mean, like we go out in the desert, we ride ATVs, we have fun. We. We look at stars, we can look at the full moon. You know, all these these things that trigger me and I'm like, these are my happy places. Like let's go and out of nowhere they bring you out to their home state and act like a literal psycho. But then meanwhile they brought your Co host to your best friend and your other best friend to the same place, Gemini Juber Juber.

How do you feel about this? I just want to know, Gemini, are you triggered by the word ATV? No. But as as Paige was talking about like, oh like, oh, we do all this type of stuff out here. You should come out here. I just Remember Me being like, saying, you know how to do that. I love that you know how to do that. And then when she finally lost her shit, she was like, and I hate that you say I know how to do stuff here. I don't know how to do stuff. But the whole time she's telling

us how she was raised. And the tiny, like, Moab is not a big town in Utah. That's where we were away from like airports and everything else. And like, bitch, you organized the fucking trip. So what do you mean you're mad because I'm over here like, oh, you know how to do all of this stuff that's like, outside of our comfort zone and it's a fucking compliment. It's not like I was like being rude.

It was actually, I thought, really cool because like obviously we grew up around like farms and trees and not any of that. I was excited for someone to like, invite me and my best friend and then surprise me with Gemini, which. If you haven't seen the video, you can Scroll down on my Instagram and there's a reel of me and you literally shocked. Like we have jaws, the same

reaction. We have the same reaction which is just sealed how close me and her are because we were literally shocked when you were there. When I woke up and the girl woke me up like it was Christmas morning, y'all like it felt wholesome. It was like she was like, hey, what are you all doing? I was like sleeping and then we just and then she was like. We're cooking or I'm cooking breakfast. And I said, OK, I'll be down a little bit. She said, I kind of need you to come down there now.

And I and then we were like, you want us to come now? And she was like, yeah, so we just both got up Like, I was like, OK, we're at someone's house and they're telling us to get up. I mean, I wasn't sure. And we came downstairs and you were there. I was literally shocked. I felt like there was something sketchy about waking up in the morning. Like she like it felt rushed and pushed.

Like I need your asses up now. But I was like, maybe she's just excited that we're here and she wants to hang out now, so you know she's being pushy. And then I walked down those stairs and I saw your red hair and I knew who you were. Not my mouth just dropped. I was like, how the fuck is she here right now? So I have two things to say about about this so far where we are on the story.

So first of all, when I got there, when when we got from the airport, she told me you guys were sleeping and I'm texting Brian and Brians like, you need to check on the girls. Like you're going to a state that you don't know and you're just being told that your friend is sleeping. And so in my mind, I'm thinking of like my true crime self. And so I'm like, I wanted to see you sleep just to make sure that, like, you weren't a corpse. And so when she was like, yeah, like we can.

I was like, I was like, oh, they're in this room right here. And she's like, yeah. And she's like, you can check in on them. So I opened the door. Both of you were fucking passed the fuck out out. And you're like little, like whatever sports thing you were wearing or whatever. And your mouths are wide the fuck open. And I just put on her page was like a fucking cracking with her mouth open.

And I was like, oh, and I closed the door and went downstairs and it was a good like 15 or 20 minutes that she's like, I don't know what we should do. And I was like, they can sleep. And she's like, I don't know what we should do.

And the second thing I wanted to say is that for you, Juber, I think that what was so fucking dope is that you and Paige already, like, had this friendship and like, you make plans when you're going to be going on a trip and like, the things that you're going to do and the bonding time that you're

going to have. And there was not one point on that trip that I felt like I had crashed in on what you guys had planned together, or that there was like a damn, like, I wish Gemini hadn't just, like, popped in. Like we could have planned this. It was literally like meeting it. It felt like we had been establishing a friendship just as much as me and Paige had, even though we didn't know each other. Yeah. No, it was immediate connection.

Immediate like bonding. We're here to have a good time. And we were like one person that just did not want that to happen and it wasn't any of us. So I need to know, from your guys's perspective again, now that we're talking about this again, what type of trip did you guys plan for this to be? Like when Home Girl was like, y'all are going to be coming out here to Utah? What was the vibe? What were you expecting? I just want to say not that, but like the complete opposite of that.

I was expecting more nature, more nature, less arguing and drinking. I was expecting no drinking actually. And I'm not like a hypocrite y'all like I'll drink a little wine or a Margarita, but I don't go on a trip and think, let's go to the liquor store. I don't ever go to the liquor store like if I neither. He came with it, packed in her bag from home. That's what I'm saying, though, that she's on vacation. She's at the crib. She's she's doing her thing.

So I think that I didn't expect that. And that was where a lot of the disconnect was for me. Not for the reason being, like, when you drink, you're not motivated to go on a hike at 8:00 AM Like, I thought we were going to catch like a sunset, a sunrise. I thought we were like going to go out and see the stars in the desert. I thought we were going to like do more like journeying and like show and tell of like this is.

Utah, because I've been on trips before with people that I did not know before that trip and just flew to these people. And this girl Amber showed me around Arizona. We went like every direction, like 3 hours away from her house in two different directions. She showed me a lot of really cool stuff. We went hiking like we had a good time, you know what I mean? So my expectation was that this was going to be a really good time. Someone was inviting me to their home.

And this would be like the third time that I've done something like that met of a female that I've been Facetiming, snapping, talking to non-stop. I mean, me and home girl had like 150 days Snapchat streak. If I can, you and I have never had a Snapchat. Streak a Snapchat, She's streak with her too. She had a Snapchat streak with her because we use Snapchat, so everybody thinks Snapchat's a red flag can fuck off. Because I like Snapchat and that's all I got to say about Snapchat.

But we both had streaks with her. Both were talking to her. During a group chat, like, we had like all this momentum of like, we're doing this. Like, I wasn't talking to you about it, which is weird. You know that you were coming, but I wasn't talking to you about it at all. But then you and her also had a thing going where you talked all the time and she was all excited on both ends. So, like, I did not expect her

to flip out like that. And alcohol has to be the reason I keep trying to think about, like, why she flipped out. And when I think about it, like, 'cause we were all just talking before this, I made the joke that, like, I put makeup on because last time that I was with you fucking hoes, I was set up to look like a homeless bum. And that's because when Home Girl was having me plan it. Like, obviously I'm not talking

to you about anything. So I'm not like, oh, you're packing 43 fucking outfits and six pairs of shoes. Wow, I better step my game up. Like none of this shit was even in mind. So she tells me it's a spiritual retreat to bring jeans, a hoodie and a fucking pair of, like, hiking boots and let's go. And so I do. And then knowing that we're going to be like hiking and shit and I'm thinking headaches, I buy these like obnoxiously fucking bug eye sunglasses and they're awful.

And all of the pictures, I'm just like so frustrated because you guys are hella cute and I'm like, oh, the only thing I can have to hide up the fact that, like, I look like this is these big ass sunglasses that just look worse. And then afterwards when I, like, say something to Paige, she's like, Oh yeah, I should have told you those were not a vibe. I. Didn't want to be mean and be like I had just met you in real life. I didn't know you were going to

be there. You think I'm going to be like the sunglasses? You are ugly. I hope so. I hope that you're like you took me to the. We went to the store together. You should have been like baby girl, these things cannot be on your face. We went to the grocery store and know they have sunglasses and you could have been like Jim. You need to get a pair of these bitches. You can't be walking around. I I got that. You weren't embarrassed. It's so cool. I know. Exactly.

What you're talking about, we got that girl in our pictures because, you know, and she's rocking a contrary cherry beanie. I mean, this woman was acting like a covenant sweater. She's got a Covenant Rejects sweatshirt on. She's got multiple beanies on. We're all wearing them at one point, like we're having a good time. Y'all like we're. I think we're being inclusive. I brought her presents, I brought her a pair of house shoes, All kinds of stuff like.

I was very grateful to be there and I just thought it was going to be a lot different. Like I've never had a grown woman in her mid 30s invite me to their home and not be on point when I got there. I've had other mid 30 year old woman like friends and people like visited and it's been fun. But like if we needed to get our own transportation that should have been spoken on. If we needed to do all of these, things like that should have been spoken on, and I think

that. She didn't know how to host. She maybe knew how to plan, but like the acting it out like less planning and more hosting and she was just like Buck Wild you all like she was like mad that me and Jackie were our clothes were matching or something. One day. I don't even remember what it was. So let's go. And like, order of events for everybody, listening and like, for Juba too, for like, recalling things. Because.

So we get there. We have that moment where, like, you guys come downstairs, you see me. Uber was just as shocked. And I remember being in that moment, like, why is she so surprised? She looks excited to see me. I don't know who that is. And then so we all like, we pack up the car. Everything's so good. We stop by her friend's house real quick. We're all in the car. She goes in to say hi. Everything is so good. Her friend comes out and meets us.

She's so excited. We're all on our drive down there. I don't remember being a single issue. I remembered my first red flag was when we were pulling into Utah or into Moab. And she made the comments of like, we're probably going to see her exes while we're down there. Everything that happens on the trip, don't be telling her husband when we go back to the house. And that's like, that's my first red flag. What about for you guys? That was definitely a road flag.

What also like also happened on the way is when she asked me to drive, yeah. She asked me to drive, or she asked. She said she was tired of driving and started saying how tired she was. You know, she didn't sleep at all. She worked a full shift. So then it started becoming like, look at all this stuff I'm doing for you. I'm so tired and like, I'm a I'm a solver. Like I'm a fixer. If you're telling me there's a problem, I'm gonna show you how to fix that problem.

And then we're gonna move on and we're not playing victim anymore over the problem. We're gonna establish new frequency. And like, everybody sitting here knows that. And that's why Jim and I look at her. My protege, the the queen of the cult. She's over here popping her shit, But whenever she first got that reading, I gave her real things that she could work through and look at her now. People don't take their advice and like, run with it.

This first red flag for me was when she planned this trip with us 75 days ago, but about 15 days ago got married and didn't know the man 75 days ago. And at this point I've got like a 75. They streak with her, which went all the way up to like 150, which was like several months at this point that we planned this trip. And you know, I I really appreciated the surprise because I would only do something that extensive for someone I really

care about. Like I would do that for Jackie or you or like someone that is close to me in a way that like, I think they deserve something like that. But because I would like, you know, I like to send that energy out, but at the same time, like I would have never done all that stuff that she had done. There were people I didn't know.

So that was a little red flag for me because when we like after I, you know, not that I was upset, but I was just thinking like why does she, she started going in and out of waves that next morning, like in not being like as friendly as I felt like she was in the beginning. So I was like this, this girl seems a little bossy or something, but I was just going with it and just like whatever.

But like when she asked me or asked somebody to drive and I volunteered because you were like, well, I don't want to drive. Jackie didn't need to drive so. So I basically had went ahead and, like, volunteered, and then she didn't even mention that. In Utah, they just don't fix the roads and I'm dead ass. If you all think we have potholes here, you need to go to Utah or New Orleans because both of them motherfuckers have the worst roads you've ever been on.

This literally said broken pavement. They put a sign up that said Mother Earth had cracked. They're not fixing it. And it was a huge crack. It wasn't just like we're driving over roads. Still, this was a crack. Really through the road.

It was piece of Rd. missing out like a chunk missing, and had we looked that we would have either the car could have flipped because that tire would have gotten stuck inside of the thing, or the very least we would have popped the front and the back tires and fucked her car. Not to mention you're driving a stranger's car. In a strange place that I I've drove in Utah 'cause I had been to Utah the year prior and I love Utah and I'll totally go back. But this was a totally different

ball game. When she takes you out in the middle of the desert where it isn't city roads and it isn't like population a lot and the roads are fucked like Mother Earth is just like, well there's no Rd. here, There's a mountain and it drive over it. If you want, you need to have a Jeep, you need to have something big, you need to have big S Rs. Of course she just drives. Like what? I don't know, like a Kia something. SUVI don't know it was something like that, Not sure.

I just know it wasn't a big truck and I felt like she didn't even warn me that the roads could be like that. She wasn't even like, OK, well, the roads are different out in the desert or yeah, but it wasn't, it wasn't the lack of warning, it was the fact that when you came up to that spot and you swerved the car, By the way, I didn't feel in danger for my life. Did you feel in danger for your life, Huber? No, Not with Paige driving.

No, I didn't feel in danger when but the way that home girl reacted. Home Girl's reaction was like you had almost just wrecked her fucking car because you are a reckless bitch and how dare you be drifting around the mountain. She was very passive aggressive at that point, I would say, but well, she did snap at you. That was like the first time, yeah. Another great point that I remember is when me and Huber said we had to pee and she was

like, we're not going to stop. Oh yeah, I remember that. Damn, that's so crazy. Because like I forget all of these little details. Like I forget that our drive there, the 2nd we got in the car is when she started commenting. You remember Huber, how she said that she paid like all this money for the vape pen that she had like given me or whatever. And Paige was asking her questions and she's like like 30 bucks. And she's like, no, it was more.

And Paige is eventually up to like 70 fucking bucks. And the broad's like, yeah, it was around there and I'm sitting back here like 70 fucking bucks. You got me a like. In Michigan, they're 10 for 100 if anybody's listening. I I was just like Dang friend, like you could have hooked me up. I'm the only one in here getting down. You could have made it a good adventure. So anyways that's I remember that and I also remember that he kept on wanting.

He kept on saying that he would pay for the gas and Paige would be like, no, like we're going to cash back you right now and so the three of us amongst each other would have to like cash back. We also one I. Did too, because I wasn't letting anybody. We also bought all of her drinks and snacks like Paige and I or you, like all of us would go in and we would go in and buy her whatever snacks and drinks she wanted the whole time.

She was like, really passive aggressive about money and kept saying that we would add it up at the end. And I was like, absolutely not. I pay for stuff and I like to pay people's way. If you get around me, I'll be like, we're going on a trip next April. They're like where I'm like Bali and they're and they're like, I can't. And I'm like, it's paid for. I'm trying to get Gemini to do all kinds of stuff and she's a

mommy, so I can't. I can't get her to do as much, but you know what you all this was like a once in a lifetime thing. Us coming together, like in the sense of like a woman we do not know brought us together and then we get there and she's acting like Texas Chainsaw Massacre driver and she's like basically like, I'll wreck this whole motherfucker right now. So we we get there right, we go

to the grocery store. I thought that the grocery she kept branching off and doing her own thing and she didn't have patience for us. The groceries was 222 total as well. There was, and then we went to go to the Airbnb and it was a fucking tiny house. And I it was a tiny house. I was thinking about how. Sorry, no, go ahead. See, you just talked about how there was a hot tub and all this shit like at the house and how like we had fire pit access and so then we get there.

And the fire pit is just a little fucking circle fire pit that got brought up to the porch that wasn't even there when we got there. And the hot tub is like a communal, like apartment complex hot tub and pool. And I was like, you made me pay extra for that. Like I'm not going to go and soak in there. And every night she wanted to go to the hot tub. And I was like, listen. I like you guys, Do what you want, but I'm not marinating in all those people's juices.

I've seen DIY cleanings on TikTok. I know they don't fucking clean the hot tub. Absolutely. No, I I'm not getting in that hot tub where all these random people in this tiny little camping community are staying. When, especially when next door, they had like 30 people packed in this one next to us, that I have no feel where people are even standing. I forgot about that, getting in that hot tub. And I was so mad that we. Yeah, that we paid extra for. I'm sorry, what? That we?

Paid extra for hot tub access and we paid extra for the fire pit. And we got reminded every single fucking night to use that fire pit. And we're the only motherfuckers that used it. She would never sit out there with us at all. She'd be like, it's freezing, it's cold. It was like, it's basically like a a crisp kind of spring morning or whatever. It would heat up, but it wasn't like cold, cold, especially with the fire pit. It was chill, like with a blanket.

She'd be out there like I'm freezing, I'm going in and then just like constantly hitting her vape, constantly whining about something, constantly bringing up the fact that I don't know. Pretty much anything that she was driving, that she was doing all the work that she'd been doing, all this. So then Jim and I starts cooking for everybody because Jim and I likes to cook. Her family owns a food truck. She's popping her shit and I was loving it.

I love to be treated like a child and be able to like someone cook and and make my plate and bring it over and like just be really nice. It was great. I felt like you were mothering all of us. I was having a good time. I was enjoying it. Well then she's like. Next thing you know, they're upstairs in the loft where Gemini and her were sleeping. Keep in mind, there happened to be a random butcher knife by Gemini's bed that was under the bed that she discovered later.

So I don't really know what the energy of this case was, but let's just say that that's extra detail that no one knows. That's a secret detail. So there was this knife up there anyways. But then one night she's like yelling. At Gemini because Gemini is serving us and treating me like a child or a baby or treating me this way and and she doesn't understand why I like Gemini's doing all this work and now she's been doing all this work and like Gemini's like I'm making food for everyone.

Like she's justifying She's like, you know, no we're having a good time. Like we want you to have a good time. Like she's trying to defuse this lady. She's all hell bent on vodka, acting a fucking fool. And then we hear her all of a sudden yelling loudly upstairs. So then Jim and I start yelling instantly, and then like, now she's yelling. So me and Jackie wake up and she's like, are they fighting? And I'm like, I think so. So I opened the door.

We hear it. The girl runs out, leaves, gets in her car and just bounces. So then of course, Gemini comes down. She's like, are you all up? And we're like, hell, yeah, like, that was loud as hell. And we all laid in our bed because me and Juber were sharing a bed. And, like, she was mad that we're we're sharing a bed. But The thing is, like, me and Juber are the only people that knew each other. And, like, we've slept in the bed together several times, so

it'd be different. Like, there's only three beds in this motherfucker, you know what I mean? Like there's a photo. She and I weren't sharing the same bed, but we're sharing the loft. There's only one bed. Somebody, one of you was supposed to sleep on the small little couch instead of sleeping in a bed. Like, what do you mean? It was set up as a two person room, you guys.

Absolutely. I didn't feel any kind of way about it. I didn't feel left out any time that I wanted to just come on into your room. I come on into your room. I think that. She did have a personality, though, where like, I was very like, I am just a comfortable person of being like, we're friends. So I'm walking in this bitch and like, I'm about to see what you're doing. And maybe for her, like, she just didn't have the capability.

I think of like, making those connections, maybe because she was drunk and she was judging herself, but she didn't put herself into positions of like, I'm going to force my friendship upon you and you know, when you feel uncomfortable, yelling isn't the solution. The next thing, though, is like, when she came back from all that and we didn't know she was even coming back. So, like, Gemini starts calling her husband and telling him and he's like, well, I could drive

and come get you all. Like I told you, you shouldn't go. This is bad. I knew this girl was crazy. Then she discovers there's a knife beside her bed and I'm like, OK, the universe is like, there's something going on here. I'm like, I'm working through, like we're working through big stuff right here, Like, you know, and I think that is what solidified our friendship.

We can't. We went into a survival mode of like this girl could leave us. US in the desert, in in Moab, Utah. The only place to get a rental is for an ATV or for a Jeep. And that's it. Like, you can't rent a car and drive it out of the desert. Like you rent something, you return it, That's it. Like, there's no, like, other option in the desert. And that was fucked up because that wasn't just like we could get an Uber and like, we can get out of this situation.

It was like, Nah, there's no Uber, there's no cab, there's no one driving you out of this desert right now. And so for Geminas. Husband to be close and actually care, and we didn't have to call no one back home. I was like, it's a good trip and now I'm feeling safer. So then I felt ultimately safer, Right, Jackie? Oh, I felt so much safer. OK, so.

I just, I'm like kind of giggling at like going back down memory lane because I feel like that like that argument was like what caused the trauma on the trip for me the most. And it was because. I so there's so many points to this. So first of all, I was shocked that he even started yelling because I thought that he was sad. So when she was upstairs she was like texting and she was really quiet and I thought that she was sad and so I was trying to ask her like, what was wrong.

And then she just starts going off about how, you know, we look like bad bitches online. But then here I am cooking and here we are cleaning. And so I remember being like, bad bitches don't cook and clean. And that for her was like she she probably had this like whole speech in her mind. And then when I was sarcastic in response, instead of being like, please don't be upset with me.

She like didn't know how I think to respond, but I. When she had left the first time because she went out the first time and we came downstairs and I talked to you guys and that was when she was like talking shit. Her thing was that I was like cooking and whatever, and you guys wore matching outfits and you guys packed super cute and she didn't pack cute. And we're excluding her because we're, I'm making dinner and I'm serving Paige and I'm like, I'm

making dinner for everybody. So. So when she left that first time, I came downstairs and I talked to you guys. But then I called Brian and I was talking to him because at that point, like, it had already been like we had yelled at each other to the point that, like, I wanted to fight her at that point. So then she left right before she got her ass beat, which is what always happens. And then so I'm talking to Brian and I'm like, yeah, I'm just like, I just can't fall asleep.

Like that's just so much adrenaline. Like I'm uncomfortable. I don't know if she's coming back tonight. I don't want to be asleep if she comes back tonight. And so then when she came back, it had been a couple of hours, I didn't say anything. I was just laying there and I was talking to Brian on the phone and she comes upstairs and she just says like you fucking waited up for me and. Then I hear so like now I'm mad, I'm hearing her. And then I hear Brian, am I on

speaker? Tell her this is a bad idea, she should go to bed. Just go to sleep. Lady like this is not going to end. And like, so Brian's over here in my ear talking to her when she's not on speakerphone trying to de escalate the situation and now I'm yelling at her. And so then when she left again, she took her fucking keys with her. And so all of us were like, what do we do? And I think she said, like, you guys can find your own way home

or something like that. And we were like, what do we do? When she left and said that, my mind was actually blown. I was like, you're going to invite people across the country to come stay with you and you're going to up and leave us? It was intense because that's when it became real for me. Whenever I like, looked at like the options we had and there

wasn't any. And I was like, I don't have anyone who's willing to drive or fly across the country all the way to Utah and rent a car and drive 3 hours out into the desert from the airport, the nearest airport, and come get. Me said he would bail me out. We talked about that that night,

too. These these conversations that escalated from like, just a a trip that was supposed to just be me and Juber. And like, I was really glad Jim and I was there because she was making it a lot easier to like, like, meditate and understand, 'cause it was like, well, we have a backup plan, bitch, and I'll punch you in the face. And me and Juber were just kind of like Jim and I just taking

the lead on this one. So then I got on Airbnb, 'cause these two were freaking out about where are we going to stay? And I just booked. Because we had a few days to go back to her house after being at the tiny house. So the first night we flew in it was super late. It was probably like 11:30 when we landed because our flight got delayed and then we landed and I guess I don't know what time she picked Gemini up, but it was early, right? It. Was like 630. So she had to drive because she

doesn't live near the airport. Like she said. She lives like an hour from the airport and we. Had to commute back to her house. Our flight was late. She had started a new job. She'd met a guy like two months ago and married him, like, after knowing him so that there was some red flags in her personal life more than like anything. And I think that, you know, as women that are growing and things, it is harder to make

friends. So I try to give people the benefit of the doubt that like, they know what's best for their own life. And if I don't need to get involved, like, you know, I'm not going to encourage bad behavior. But I really didn't know this girl well enough to be like, wow, Boo. That's crazy. Like if I don't know where Juber was, like, I'm marrying this guy I met 3 weeks ago, then yeah, I'd probably have to get a lot of detector tests.

But at the same time, like, I just felt like, OK, you know, she knows what's best for her. I'm not really sure what that is, but I'm just going to let her do her thing. And you know, at the same time, I think that there was a lot of energy with him at home all of a sudden that, like before, the trip wasn't planned. Or he hadn't been planned, but the trip had been planned. The trip had more thought than this marriage. Oh yeah.

I'd be shocked if they're still together and I say that in good faith, like I don't wish bad. Hopefully they're madly in love and living their best life. But the way that she acted about him was even weirder. Like, don't tell my husband anything that happens on this trip. Instantly went and saw a dude and was like, yeah, I used to fuck him like girl sis, I don't care baby, you're like. 35 years old, and that's tacky. I do not care.

Like, I I don't care unless I'm hollering at Dude while we're in Moab and I'm like, wow, he's so hot. Yeah, that's when you can throw in half of him. Dude was not cute. Very scary. Weird. I'm not sure. Not cute at all. See, I never met her husband in person, but. I saw him on FaceTime like because her and I Facetimed and I heard like, when she would call him in the car, and I even overheard like when she would have him on speaker and she'd be complaining to him during the

trip or whatever. And he was never anything but like nice. Like, I just thought that he sounded like a really nice person and I thought he was really respectful, whatever, He wanted to support her and her things and. That's the way that, like, it came across. So my issue it wasn't even with her husband, even though she came and she just started saying the most random stuff about their relationship one morning. And was like, like she was trying to be open with us.

And that might have been the morning after the argument, like when everybody started. Like, no, it was the morning after we first got there. Do you remember that morning? We all kind of talked and we were like, you seemed really upset last night, like the moment, the day that we arrived and she's like, I've been so tired.

And then? We're all sitting there and she talked about how they're trying to get pregnant and she was talking about how her husband does all these drug runs for motorcycle gangs and like all this shit and how his name is Dirt and she's Dirt's old lady. Dirt's old lady. Let's just say that this lady definitely. Needs therapy on a deep level scale and out of all the energy and like connection that we had, she really came in through

Gemini's podcast. And what I think is funny is she said she found Gemini on TikTok which led her to me which led her to Bunny. And I thought that was a crazy sequence because then she became a super Jelly roll and Bunny fan during all of this. And I thought for sure the fact that she went and got VIP and did the mean Gree at Jelly Roll's concert that like she. He had been around or like actually like liked Jelly Roll prior to this.

So that was something else. Maybe that we were bonding on, but no. Later, while we were there, she tells me that she found Gemini on TikTok, which led her to me, which led her to Bunny and Jelly Roll and I thought that was crazy. All I know is I think I still got PTSD. Didn't you get yelled at one morning? Juber? Is this for when she said I was being too nice? Yeah, you fucking nice little bitch. Never in my life has anybody told me that I'm annoyed and

you're too nice. And you're not even fake nice like like your your sincerity is there. I mean, I just thought we were there to have a good time and I was trying to have a good time and she wouldn't let any of us have a good time. That was the most controlling that I've ever felt on a trip. I felt so controlled. I felt like I was like 16 and I have rules and she made the rules and it was that everybody's going to be in a shit mood. Well, no, we weren't in a ship

mood, though. She wanted us to be in a ship mood. At the time that she would snap, we created a text thread called Survivors and this is insider information and we're still surviving and. We're still using it because once you bond over death, because we haven't even got to the real near death experiences, because all of this has happened already, right? All of this has already happened.

And then? One day we wake up and she said today's the day we're going on the ATVI, talked to my dad, I talked to my dad and we're going on the ATV today. It's only $300.00 a person and we're getting to go for free. So you know me like, I'm like, yeah, I'm trying to go like something that's normally 300. I'm definitely trying to go. So basically I decided I'm we're going. And Jim and I was like, I'll stay here, I don't want to go. You know, it's it's just not for me.

It's not working. I don't even like things like this. And so then the lady after yelling at us for two days, it's our last night day at the cabin, the last night at the cabin. And then we have like one night at her house or something. They know it's two nights. It was several nights. We had the Airbnb for two. So it's two more nights that we were supposed to go back and

stay at her house. Three nights at the cabin and then the one night of transport, which Jim and I didn't really get, that night of transport that we got, but. Thank Goddess. Needless to say, it was a whole mackerel of events and then on that third day of Christmas, she said. We're going to go on this ATV. It's normally 1200 and we're going to go. I've been doing this my whole life.

I grew up. I had birth on an ATVI, brought my 7 year old and I brought my 7 year old and when he was on there I would never put my kid in danger. I've been doing this. This is my dad's company. You're going to get to meet my dad. Her dad was super nice by the way. Her dad was really cool. Daddy was. Cool, shout out Daddy. It was one of those things and a little old thing and we did the thing and it wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't. Go ahead. I'll let y'all talk about it

because I, Jackie, got up front. I mean, honestly, you said PTSD earlier. I have two moments that I think I have PTSD from that trip, and that is one of them. One out of two right there. I mean, I was so honestly, when I'm not scared, sometimes all I can do is giggle through it and you, Jim and I were in the back seat giving the fucking best commentary I've ever heard in my entire life. That just kept me giggling even more.

So I just, like, laughed through my fear, because that's all I could do at the point in the front seat. But the fact that we were driving, I felt like I was in my own personal nightmare. But yeah, I mean. How he didn't die, I don't know. OK, poor God. I'm going to tell the story the right way for y'all spill the beans on the on the climax. We're on this. And I'm telling you all you're on the side of the mountain. You should look it up on YouTube.

It's called the Hell's Gates. And there's the Devil's Hot. Revenge. Hell's Revenge, and there's something called the Hell's Gates there. There's something called the Devil's Hot Tub there, and

there's also something called. Now I went, but I'll think of it, there's another trail there that you can also look up, but you just look up Moab Utah Trails ATV on YouTube and it's going to pull up this trail because it's like the massive main trail he's on. And so at the same time that there is all of this going on, we have a tour guide, but she's like. Oh no, you don't need the goggles. Take a blanket. You could get some gloves if you want.

I'm not getting any. I'm wearing sunglasses. Like they're basically trying to give us all this gear that you need. You very well fucking need. And I should have known better to think that I could use, you know? Sunglasses when you're out in a fucking dusty, rocky, losing eye trail. I don't know why the fuck I believed like that after at this point, but at the same time when you hear someone talking about like I literally took my 7 year old son on this.

I've been doing my thing my whole life. I've never not done this. She act like she basically owned an ATV, but like I know she's never owned one, so her dad and her uncle own the Tour Company in Moab. So, like, her people really do do it like this. Like if her dad was driving, it probably would have been different, but she had probably not drove one in fucking years, Y'all. And she literally acted like it

was muscle memory. Like she knew this, like the back of her hand and the whole fucking trail. I kept looking at the people in front of us, 'cause we were in the back, so the tour guide couldn't see us. And these trails, like if you swing off to the left too far, to the right too far, you're dead, period. There's not a lot of wiggle room and there's definitely a level of, I would think, expertise, but they rent these to anyone

who has that $300.00. These kids in front of us acted like they knew what they were doing. They at least knew their life was on the line and they at least look like they knew, like somewhat. But when I found out we got off and we took a break that they had never drove them before, ever. I was like, why are we sliding everywhere? They look like spider monkeys and I swear we're sliding backwards. At one point we slid all the way down a hill, which was scary as fuck.

And this which had us in two wheel drive when you damn well need 4 wheel drive and that is what you're supposed to have. And this which had us in two wheel drive for this entire fucking trail and this trail gets talked about like on like the most daredevil podcast, like the sports, extreme sports. This is what the fuck this shit is. I'm shocked that anyone in their right mind gives these people insurance to allow strangers from wherever the fuck drive

these with a safety waiver. Whoever their lawyer is definitely like was OJ Simpson's lawyer, because what the fuck that shit is not like just like, oh, I'm just going to pop my shit and do this. Like I would have been scared shitless if we would have got back there and we would have went up that first hill. There's nowhere to turn around once you're on it. It's one way, There's one way in it and one way out of it. And I think that's what's scary.

That's what really scared me. And then when we got to the top and literally you can, you're up in the clouds and we're at the top of these mountains and I'm thinking, how the fuck did we get up here? I was just like literally like, I really wish there's a bathroom up here, 'cause I'm fucking scared. You're forgetting to mention the part that it was fucking dark. So, so, OK, bitch. I didn't want to go on this fucking trip.

I told you guys, I kept looking up YouTube videos, The people who own the coffee company that sponsor me, it's literally named after Extreme Trail. Like it's Lost Trail, it's Lost Trail Coffee. And they're so they have a flavor called Hell's Revenge. It is named after that So. And one of them used to be a tour guide. For Jeeping. And so I contacted them about this thing and they're like, do not go on this trail. So I'm trying to tell you guys like, it's.

I was like I kept showing you YouTube videos and she kept on arguing. Anybody can go on these. They let anybody go on these like it whatever. And so we go there to Pages Point, like they're trying to give us helmets and goggles and gloves, and they're telling us to make sure we've got our blankets and our coats. And she's like, you don't need goggles. You don't need gloves at one point, I don't think she wore a helmet. She didn't have her helmet.

And we start on the trail and like it was literally the sun was going down and she like, you're not exaggerating. I mean you are about her giving birth on the ATV. But she is saying like her speech to all of us is how, Like she had her son on these and she's like getting annoyed that I'm panicking in the back. And, like, literally sweat

through the gloves. And I say, me, 'cause, like, I understand that you guys had your own fears, But in an outside perspective, you guys looked like you were just ready for the adventure, you were ready to have fun. And I think that everybody was handling the traumatic event differently. And like, you guys were like, just along for the ride and you're going to just enjoy it, 'cause if you're dying, you're going to die with a smile.

And my thing was like. You have my life in your hands and I want you to think that you're the baddest bitch and like, be so proud of yourself and be doing a good job. So I'm in the back seat just like you Fucking go Glen Coco. Like I'm freaking out back there, man. It was scary. And like honestly, when I tell people to look up these trails, they're like, holy fuck, that's

scary as fuck. But literally like, there is a little bit of everything going on and I would have probably felt safer inside of a Jeep being inside of an ATV, was not it? I kept like mentally preparing, like I kept imagining rolling down the side and like mentally preparing for, like if that happened, like where to like hang on to or whatever inside because I was. I was so scared, like these rocks were. I'm like shaking talking about it. These rocks were straight up and down.

And this was our final night, so we already knew that she was drinking during the day and at night, and there'd already been that argument. And it was just like the only reason that I said yes to finally going is because it was the only way for her to not be unhinged with everybody. Yeah, she was definitely popping her shit, but I didn't think that it would be like how it was because she had us in two wheel drive and it would have been better and safer if we would

have been in 4 wheel drive. So all I can really think about is not only did this bitch drink vodka, she put us in two wheel drive and acted like a fucking crazy bitch. And then afterwards literally was like I don't even want to tell you all. And then after we got back he told everyone to take it out of four wheel drive and put it back

in 2 wheel drive. And then that's when she realized she even through all the bullshit, she hadn't drove one in so long she didn't even look at the switch to see if it was on or off. And obviously none of us have Acds or have grown up around ATVs. I'm speaking for everyone because I just assume that they gave us an older one because we weren't paying and that it was slipping like the transmission and it was slipping which was causing us to slip around. That's what I assumed.

Which would make sense because if you rip a transmission out of something, it's not going to pull a boat or like really fuck around and pull weight like it should, like a truck or something. So I'm smart with cars and that's just what I assumed. I was definitely not even considering that she had us in two wheel drive the whole time because I literally thought to myself, like, why is this like

this? Because they were slinging up that hill and we were falling backwards down this really steep hill. Y'all. And it's not just a hill. You're like on the side of a mountain. And they're like, oh, these things are like, you know, they're born to do this. That's what they do. That's that's all they do, you know, That's what she kept saying. And like, she really gaslight us.

There was rocks. Like when I say boulders, I mean fucking boulders and you're expected to go over and under and like between and like do all this crazy stuff and they go back there when it's raining like it's some scary shit she was talking about. They go out there under the full moon and drive out there in dark time and drink and then come back out, which is nuts to me. She was telling me how many people do, how much like partying back there and they

have parties. Remember when she was saying all that, like trying to say like it's safe, like we're out here at Pitch Black, Like act like she was out there every weekend or something. And like what's crazy is she had met that guy and I think brought him out to Moab, like in between our trip there. So it was like she went back there and I just don't think she really wanted to go again.

I think she was so anxious to take us there, 'cause she hadn't been there for a while, but then she takes her husband there to, like, show everybody she got married. Like, that's what I like. Another red flag when I'm when we're talking about this in analytical way. Because like, why would you say like, I just took brought my husband out here and introduced him to my dad and all these people, but don't tell him any of my old friends that we visit while I'm here. Well, yeah.

And the people that she introduced us to all seemed normal, like her dad seemed really nice. Her friends that owned that restaurant were so sweet and their restaurant was so beautiful and I loved it so much and I forget the name of it. I. Got the name of it too, but it had the best. I gave them a review. I did too. They were in the restaurant was incredible and the food was so good and her. Dad was really nice. Had her dad been driving us? Yeah.

They seem so nice. She was just a broken soul. What is your theory about what happened the night that? Fuck. What was it? I feel like there was something with like counterfeit money. Yeah, well, she we go in there, but she had counterfeit money and. That's what I thought. She's just fucking weird. I don't know why she did the things she did y'all like it just kept getting weirder when she had to go make random trips to go see her friends. And then I was like this is just doing.

That's what it was. That's what it was with a fake $100 bill and said that we fit to her and I'm like, no one gave that you that and then she's like, yeah, you did and it's fine. I'll just take care of it and. She went there twice because she went there and was like, I'm going to get a picture of this fake, you know, that's what it was, was she used $100, gave $100 to her friend. And then that had been money that had been given to her for like, groceries or whatever when we split it.

And so then she was accusing of giving fake money and she just wanted to get the picture. And then she wanted to come back and then be like, Nope, I'm going to go back there and take care of it. And I'm like if you're going to cheat on your husband, just say that. Yeah, that's what I feel like. I feel like she made that whole story up and so she could come back and be madder at us and have a reason to storm off and leave again.

Y'all every single night this girl would storm off and leave and then the place that we were staying was like a cabin place and it was like these little 8 frame cabins. Like they were cute. Like they were big enough for like 2-3 people comfortably. And if two people are having sex, they'd be more comfortable because like it was like a space where it was like a couple and some kids. It wasn't like, you know what I mean, though? Like two people who were together.

That's what I meant. Like a relationship. Not like a friend trip. This wasn't like. You're going to hear everything. If people are bringing it out in that little cabin, you're going to hear everything. Why does it have to be loud? It could just be a little Dun to Dun because. It was made of wood. It's going to be like, like it wasn't like that. It was new. It was newer.

It wasn't old. It was just like one of those things that was totally like not big enough for for grown people who don't know each other really. The kitchen was like 1/2 a limb and you know, Jim and I was trying to cook like 5 star meals and stuffed mushrooms and do all kinds of cool stuff and like we were having a good time. I thought everybody was having a good time.

So to hear that she wasn't having a good time and then continue to project that for the next couple days, I wasn't letting it fuck up like my trip, but she definitely was being extra where she was like making her presents like the main dominant, like everything's about me. So then we're we're all walking on egg shells because we know damn well she can leave us in here, but we need her to take her, us with her and we can leave from her house or we can

leave from wherever. So then we'll go into. I went ahead and got an Airbnb because these were tripping and I was like, hell no, I'm just going to find one. I'm just going to book it now. When we leave here, don't even worry about us having to go back to her house because that was both of Y'all's fears. Like, Oh my God, we'll have to go back to her house if we don't have somewhere to go.

So I was just like, whatever. So for about a day and a half before the ATV ride, I knew that we already had an Airbnb, but I kept it on the lowdown and we didn't tell her. And then we went on the ATV and she tried to kill us. And then we came back and I was like, the last thing I need her to know is like, we got this Airbnb tomorrow, like when we leave here that we can check in there and that we need her to

take us and drop us off. Like it was like maybe 30 minutes away from her house, but close to the airport and like not right on top of the airport. So we could still get some, like, Salt Lake City vibes. So basically, I get this Airbnb and on the way, like on the like, the next morning we're literally packing up the car and she thinks we're going back to

her house with her for two days. Like, that's what's really weird is that she was about to try to take us back to her house with her for two more days and still think we're relying on her to go to the airport. We're about to meet her husband and her son, who's like 11 or 12 years old. Like, that's weird to me. Like, you're literally thinking, we're going back to your house with you.

So then that next morning, we don't know how to tell her, but we didn't want to wait until we got in the car because of how mad she got last time in the car. So I was like, we're not going to tell her yet. But then Jim and I was like, well, like, you know, whatever. What? Like, we didn't know what to do. So I was just like, everybody kind of was doing their thing. And I just walked outside. I was like, hey, can I talk to

you? And just like, hey, I just want you to know that, like, we need, we're, we need to be dropped off, like at our Airbnb, like we're not going to your house with you. And she was like, what? You mean I bought all those groceries and then, like, went into this whole thing about groceries and, like, all this.

And I was just like, yeah, you know, I was like, I just feel like, you know, we don't want to be in your, like, we don't want to, you know, upset you anymore and we don't want to, like, take up all your time. We know that you felt like we were, like, wearing you out. You know, I know you have the next two days off work. I just want you to, like, be

able to rest. And, like, I thought that, like, it would diffuse because, like, why would you want us to go back to your house when you in three days have told us you were going

to leave us every single day? Then you took us out in the middle of the desert on ATV and acted like this was your literal like like writing with your hand or reading for you, and you almost fucking kill us. And you think you've done fine because we lived, but we literally could have just spun off the side, 'cause we are not in 4 wheel drive. We're on pavement. We're on like Pavement was like, no, we're, we're. On fucking rocks. Yeah, it was so bad. And then fuck, what was it?

It was. Our plan was for us to still, like, if she still wanted to get together while we were there, like we all were, like, you know, if you want to hang out and do something, that's fine. We're just not going to stay at your house. Like, we don't want to have to rely on you or we're just going to figure it out. We don't want to be like a burden anymore. I think, like to me, I thought maybe we'll still, like go do

dinner with you. But then, like, we have, you know, we Uber back to the house or whatever. And so when we went out, we all went out to breakfast. And at this point, she already knew that. You know, we're going to have an Airbnb. We're all having breakfast. I felt like pressure's off. I don't have to go back home with you. Now. I can just hang out because I'm not feeling uncomfortable. And so we were all, like, being nice and just having a good time and not being weird anymore.

And that, like, really upset her. And she took that as, like, being really fake. And I remember that she waited, I think you and I went to the bathroom and then she got upset with Paige at breakfast. Yeah. She waited till we went to the bathroom. To That's what I thought. And then when she she kept going, her problem was with you, Paige. And I think that Juba and I were

just collateral damage in that. I think that she really, she really had a problem with you, which is so weird because, like, you're the one that invited me out here. I'm the one that basically insinuated this whole trip. Like if if it wouldn't have been for me, you wouldn't have been there. You know, like you said before, you would have never went there if she just invited you to come hang out with her. But she was literally like buying all this Coven of Rejects stuff.

She bought several beanies from me, but she never booked a reading with me. Did she ever book a reading with you? I think I got. I think, no, I don't. I don't remember. I don't think that she ever did. Actually. I think that she only ever bought merch. See. Like, that's what's weird to me, is like, it was like the weirdest energy from her because, like, I never actually tapped into her energy. Or never really like. Asked about any of that.

And I thought that was weird, 'cause it was like, I don't know what her deal is or what, like what it was. And honestly, like, I mean, I invited you, Bert, and then she invited you only because I was coming. So it was like, maybe because she made the trip all about me, that when I got there she was jealous or like feeling some type of way. So the invite, the invite came

from you and from her. So like you guys coordinated this trip or whatever, And then both of you invited me to come out there and I told you I'm not going to be able to make it work. And I told her absolutely don't tell Paige. Oh, so she didn't plan that? She I'm the one who planned to come out and surprise you, but she didn't plan that. But she had to, like, organize getting me from the airport behind the scenes and keep a secret. Well, I just always like that.

Makes a little more sense, 'cause I always wondered, like, why did this strange woman want to surprise me like that? Like, why did she go out of her way? So now it makes sense that you asked to do it as a surprise because she invited you to. That makes sense. I mean, she just like weirded me the fuck out. And like after like the first time when we tried to defuse the situation, after she yelled at everyone before the ATV, before the trip really got going. And we all sat there that next

like afternoon or morning. And we're like, how can we have a good day today? Like we just woke up and she literally looked at Jackie and told her she didn't like how nice she was and was like just being really mean to Jackie. So then I got kind of like, like, you know, defensive or whatever. And it just became like animosity because she never really wanted to make it work. It was like she wanted to come there and try to divide up our

friendship. Like she wanted to come there and put us under all this, like, hostile stress environment to like, break up friendships. And like, only women who are miserable do that. And we've had several of those women in our life this year, and they're always, always late 30s, early 40s and 50s. And I'm sorry, but like, even when I'm 4050 sixty and got wrinkles and bags and whatever the fuck I got, I'm still going to be a bad bitch.

And I'm definitely not going to start drama with bitches who have more going on than me. I'm going to take some fucking notes, because if my old ass can be showed up at this point, then you need to be humble yourself. And a lot of these women, like, have this weird animosity because they're like, they start out as fans and then they want to become friends. Like they're just buying Merge or they're doing this or doing that. Like, you're not even a client

at this point, You're a fan. And then you want to act weird and like, honestly, I don't know what it is, but like a lot of people start getting, like oddly obsessed with Bunny and they're obsessed with the fact that, like, I know Bunny and it's like, it makes them feel like because they actually physically talk to someone who, you know, has her phone number, she actually accepted my friend request on her personal page. So fuck all y'all hoes. And the next thing is like, that

was today. So it's kind of monumental. But the moral of this story is like, I never use that for Cloud and I never even ask her for anything. So the fact that people, like idolize certain situations, it's like creates weird animosity. And like, never once do I make anyone think that I feel like I'm better than them. Like, I'm all about giving people the exact tools and resources I used and watching you do your thing with them.

Because just cause like I did this with them doesn't mean I'm going to gatekeep it and think that you shouldn't get to do that with your own skills or your own potential. So if you know me. And you've been around me like, you know that for sure. Like I say all the time, Jim and I straight doubled my Tick Tock followers. And I give zero fucks. Like I give zero energy to Tick Tock where that used to be like my main thing. But at the same time, like if I don't feel it, I don't feel it.

I'm not here competing with people. They don't get my content if I don't feel like making content. So it's like, at the same time, a lot of people have lost sight of, like, what it is to be a content creator and a fucking human person. So like, you can idolize who people are and then meet them and be like, OK, they're not for me, but you probably shouldn't literally invite them out to your home and like, let them be across the country from where

they live. Or you drive your happy ugly ass across the country to come visit and then start shit. Because it's not just one person, It's been a lot of people. And that's weird to me because I'm, you know, for a fact, like a lot of these people were acting like they were having the time of their fucking life planning this, organizing this. Oh, it's no problem. It's great. I'm going to drive 19 hours. I'm going to, you know, take you to Ruth, Chris, You know, those

bitches, they say dumb shit. But at the same time, it's like why? Like you could literally save all your time and energy not doing that, not trying to make fake ass bonds. This isn't high school. Like you don't fly grown ass women to a circle and then be like it's going to be a spiritual retreat with vodka and like know that they don't drink or know that you've watched their Instagram and they always are this certain person or you.

You know what I mean? Like, you need to, like, really think about the expectations that you're putting on to a fucking stranger. But I do think that it was a really great way for me and Jim and I to, like, really lock in our friendship. Because after that roller coaster we've had many roller coasters we've rode at the same time together with different people. And then them saying two stories to each of us as well.

You know, like, I think that's what's really cool about that is we've already had someone try to play us like a fiddle together in person like you. Internet hoes don't stand a chance. Like, I will not give that much energy to this bitch. In a way of like, I thank her for that. Because now I see how crazy it was that like, she's the third woman that I've flown to their hometown. The other two were great.

Like, I had the tour of New Orleans, I had the tour of Phoenix and all of Arizona. Like I got to do some cool stuff. But some people definitely have I'll intentions and they only can be cool with one person at one time. Like they don't know how to coexist in healthy friend groups where multiple people have bonds and connections and there's not drama. Yeah. Did I? Did I seem different from your perspective in person versus

like who I am? You're so you're so much more chill and like, really easy going in person. Not that you're not easy going. I just think that like, you kind of give the world this, like, rowdy version of you and then in person you're just like, so chill and like just like really inviting and mothering and like, nurturing and like all those things. It's like, I don't know, like, we went shopping and I was like, dressing you. I had like, such a good time doing that.

I was like, this is so cute. And then you were like, Oh my God, I would never wear these. And then you're like, those are my favorite thing. So, like, I think that was cool. Like, I don't know. I just think you're a lot more easygoing in person than probably people assume about you. Because like, although you were willing to, like knock a bitch out, that wasn't your first

like, reaction. And I think some people would think that's your first reaction versus like you trying to, like, work through it. Like, once we got to the point where it was like, no, fuck this bitch you were really, we were all trying to make it work. Like we all were trying to like team build and all that. And then it just became me and Juber outside, like, what the fuck do we do? Like we're we're trying to be as nonchalant.

And really, at that point she stopped communicating with me and Juber and only was talking to you, the good and the bad. Yeah, I don't know. I don't. I don't know if it's like, she communicated to me because she needed to keep me like on like making it feel like it was on her side. Because like, I'm the person that she would have had a confrontation with that she had a confrontation with anybody. And I think that's like why she

doesn't. When she wanted to be direct to you, she wouldn't do it when we were there. Because the same way that you are with Juber, where you're like, oh, you're not going to talk to my girl like that. I feel like over the whole situation I was like, just give me a reason. So she didn't want to confront me in front of you because she thought that you would do

something. I that I that's kind of my thing is like I think that's why I also am the only person that she really communicated to when we were there. Is like that like keep your friends close and your enemies closer thing? Well, I think that it really put a lot into perspective for me that like, there are people who need to just stay in the like Internet arena or like the fan

zone. And I don't really call people fans, but like being a weird supporter with weird jealousy and animosity, giving someone money. So then later you can be like, oh, I spent $30.00 on this stupid hoodie or whatever. Like I'm not really trying to hear it like that. Seems very like I wish I had my own clothing. Brand.com Instead of like, I'm going to actually take initiative and like build something from the ground up and understand my cats are doing.

I think you're so. You're so sweet that you didn't block her number. As soon as we got out of that fucking car at that Airbnb, I blocked her number. Well, I just thought that she might apologize. But she never apologized. Like, she never, like actually, like, thought it through. She kind of wrote like a guilt weird message. I don't remember. Did she? Did she text it to me and say some weird like? Yeah, she well she texted you that same day after she got back or whatever.

She group texted you in juber and was like Jim and I blocked my number and I was like fuck yeah, I blocked your number you crazy bitch. Like I didn't want to. Like I'm never going to see you again. I swear to God that if you are not new to the podcast, you know I'm very block happy. I don't like confrontation. I like it. It makes me shake.

It makes me uncomfortable and not shake because like, I'm scared about it. But shake, shake like I get anxiety and all of a sudden like I have to be keeping myself in composure so that I don't respond and act a fool and like match you on your crazy ass energy level. And I like resolution to problems I don't like having to like. Pop off about things. And I don't like people feeling left out either. And so I know that was a huge thing for all of us.

Who was like, oh, you like when she was yelling at me, We're like, you know, the next morning, OK, well, you must just, like, feel uncomfortable, like, feel like you're not included. How can you make you feel included? What are the things that are making you feel this way? And then the response is that you're too nice and it's like. So that doesn't make any sense. You feel unwelcome because someone's making you feel so welcome. How did you feel about that

Juver? I just feel like it made no sense, but I don't know what to do with that. What do you? So you want me to be mean to you? You're being too nice, but I'm not having a good time already. Exactly. So she acted like her problem was with juber because she kept trying to pick the weaker link and I guess she thought that whenever you were around I was too strong. So every time that she would like I would be by myself.

But like, the weird thing is when she went off on me at at dinner or or it was breakfast or whatever, whatever it was, I don't even remember what she said. Because when people speak out of out of turn or over tone, I just black out. And that's why it's dangerous. Like, that's why it's dangerous because now I'm only assessing energy, 'cause I don't hear a word you're saying, 'cause I'm like, not going to absorb people's programs.

I'm not going to let someone tell me who I am when I know damn well that I'm not this person, or I'm not in it for money or I'm not shady, or I'm not stingy or a mean girl or any of those fucking little gas like things people want to say. Like I don't intimidate people. You're intimidated. There's a difference. There's a difference of me intimidating you and me. Like, wanting to, You know what I mean? Like I'm sorry you're not doing enough. I'm sorry you're not happy with

yourself. I'm sorry that you're drinking every night and letting negative spirits overtake your body. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. But I just know that it was Saint Patrick's Day portal and this bitch thought she was going to try to kill my vibe. And no, you ain't. And know the fuck you ain't. And you know what's crazy is like, before that, the universe kept like kind of being like, Are you sure you want to do that kind of thing? Like, it wasn't even like, am I

sure? But I guess, like, I was feeling your excitement and unknown energy. So then I started feeling like something was wrong or like that I shouldn't go. Almost. It wasn't like I shouldn't go, but it was like I just went through that really bad trip in February to Detroit, where I

almost died. You can see the episode around this time last, like earlier this year, February, literally like almost got in Detroit, went to an Airbnb that was a trap house that was like, Miss Lee LED like AI photos of the house with hot tubs and everything attached. And you know, it was kind of like the same thing this girl did, but I just never saw what I was paying for. I just sent her the money because I trust people to do the

right thing. Like, I trust people to, like, be honest because I'm an honest person. So like when all this transpired and it just was like a fucking nightmare, there was like no way that I ever in my life, like was taking it personal. Like even when she was trying to like gaslight me or go off on me like I was taking this as like, you're miserable, you are unhappy, you just married someone that you're in the love bombing phase, He has nowhere to

live now he's living with you. Like it makes sense, trust me why this man loves you so much. But The thing is, is like, I'm not saying that you can't fall in love and like and make it last, but I do feel like some people do it for the wrong

reasons. And some people start getting like, a certain age and think that that means they need to, like, settle down before they get old or I don't know, whatever the fuck people do. So it's like, I don't know what her mixed emotions were, but I feel like it was a lot of personal stuff that she was going through and she was like projecting all of that. And then she like, didn't want to leave her husband because he probably fucked someone in their bed. Dirt's old lady.

I mean, anybody whose nickname is Dirt, Dirt, or my like, we used to know a guy, used to know a guy that they called him Dirt. I just spilt my water, 'cause he needed to get clean. They called him dirt and he did not shower, he did not brush his teeth, he looked like dirty, and that's why they called him dirt. So I just can't imagine that anybody's whose nickname is Dirt in a biker gang that you're pulling bitches.

You know, I kind of hope he did fuck someone in their bed, because at the same time, she definitely probably fuck someone. She she for sure, at least one person, but I think 2. While we were down there, 'cause I think that it was the the guy who said that he had got counterfeit money, which is just a fucking lie.

And then also the guy that she saw at the restaurant that used to be her old fling or whatever, because he texted her, because he told us she told us that night that he texted her and was talking. About I would fucking do this and that to you. And she was like, Oh my God, and I'm like, bitch, you're married. Like, what do you mean?

And there were multiple times when we were on that trip and I remember, like both of you making a comment about it to me afterwards, that I'd have to be like, you're married. Like we don't do Like, what do you mean? I thought that so many times in my head too, about her. You're married. She didn't act like. So but during all this, so like all this, like shit is happening, but at the same time, like we all really were so good at putting that off to the side and like having fun anyways.

Like that. Like like we all had a feelings about that while it was happening, but like on the other end of that we genuinely had such a good fucking time together. Yeah, honestly, like I had a really good eye opening experience, but I had a good adrenaline experience bonding Jim and I was cooking bomb ass food. She bought enough seasoning, like the point like she took it home in her suitcase, 'cause I was like we can't throw all this away. Like we need all this. We spent like $40.00 on

seasoning. But you know, I think like once we got all the food going and then she never really ate. She was just like running on monsters, cocaine, her vape pen and vodka, maybe a little OJ, maybe had once more. Did she make s'mores with us that night? I don't think she ever came by the fire. She didn't make it, she didn't make s'mores. She sat out there for about 5 minutes that night and then I

feel like that's when the. I got to go because so and so has counterfeit money and that's when she left. That was that night after she'd only been sitting out there like 5 minutes. She definitely went and got her poo Tang. Wet, gross. Like a cat and he. That's disgusting. I just listen. I just feel like that is I can't do the knot. No loyalty. Didn't have loyalty to friends, Don't have loyalty to dirt.

The fact that she had in her bio dirts old lady and the fact that she took wedding pictures in a contrary cherry beanie. You can't erase those memories, baby girl. You wore my lime green beanie in your wedding pics in your afterwards 'cause I think she had a dress on, but then didn't she change it? I think she wore a dress for like 5 seconds. She did a She did a covenant reject sweater and a contrary cherry beanie in her wedding photos. You're locked in.

So it's Old Lady's wedding for life. So. That's fine. Keep us in your memories, honey, because you're fucking grained in ours. It's scary how people like have no regard for others, especially grown women who would like just not put themselves in that type of position and less basically invited and then kind of, like enticed. It was just, like, a really crazy story that I think solidified mine and Jackie's friendship. Because at this point, we'd only been hanging out for like 3 to

four or five months, tops. Like, we'd known each other longer than that. But we started hanging out. Yeah, we just started hanging out. Like maybe in October or November of last year or somewhere around in there, 'cause my mom, when we did those vision boards, it was like in December. And we wouldn't have just done that if we hadn't hung out more 'cause you met my mom. Yeah, we've been hanging out probably like just like a year now.

And we'd known each other and she'd been on the Patreon like all that, But we just bonded. And you know, when you do readings for people every month, and then, like, I could actually see her in person and we were doing things together, it just kind of really kept our bond locked in. So, you know, we had just started hanging out like a lot, though. That was our first trip together. That was the first time. And now we've been on several trips. We went to Vegas for her birthday.

We went to Michigan for my birthday. Like it wasn't us. It was this home girl two point O. And what's crazy though is like that happened in March and then in April we had several people go berserk inside of our communities. Like really having an all out girl war between like old ass people who should be old and out of these stages. Like once you're over the age of 25, you got to grow the fuck up. I don't care who the fuck you are.

I don't care what your mom did to you, your dad did to you. I don't care what happened to you at all. I don't. Because if you are 25, it's time to grow the fuck up. You don't get to do drugs all the time, You don't get to drink all the time. You don't get to act like a fucking idiot. So when people are like 3537424549, I'm like I have 0 tolerance for it. Like 0. Because like once I hit 30, I'm on a whole new scale and I don't let people bring trauma into my life.

When I was in my 20s I didn't know any better. But now that I know better, you're not going to come fuck with my head. And you're definitely not going to hurt myself esteem because I feel like that's what she was trying to do. She was trying to, like, draw a wedge and make you think I was using or that I was doing like all this stuff. Meanwhile, she don't even know that I didn't paid for an Airbnb out of my own pocket. So everybody would calm down. Yeah.

And then tell Jim and I had to raise her credit. Now she's got all the credit and popping her shit. But this girl just wanted to start drama. When we were over here networking. We were we were supposed to make content. We were supposed to, like, record doing this. And we didn't get to do none of that. We could have recorded the podcast in person had it been like a chill environment. And it wasn't whatsoever. We could have went live together.

We could have made reels. We didn't do none of that. Y'all We went into straight survival mode. We went into the survivors chat on Snapchat so she couldn't see it, so she wouldn't know that we were texting each other because that's how scary it was. Because we thought if she left us now her husband has to come. Jim and I's husband has to come from Idaho to like the desert to come save us.

Like that's fucked up. My theory is that had I not gone on that trip though, I think that we would have met anyways because I think that I would have had to come and get you guys in Utah. Like I don't, I don't think that the way that and I mean that like I think that either way we were going to end up meeting on that trip and it was either going to be like that or it was going to be all together. You think that she would have got us out there and been really

mad at me and Jackie? I think that she would have. Treated you both like your weak links and I think that both of you inside of those like situations where she was being really confrontational, you guys were quiet and not that, like

that's just your personalities. But I think that she would have just thought that she could treat you guys however she wanted to. And I think that she would have been a lot more unhinged than she was, and I think that she wouldn't have had anybody to blow up to. Like she did upstairs to me about you guys. So she would have just been projecting that on to you.

And then I think that you would have been like, I want to fucking go. And if you had told me about any of this happening, I'd already been on the fucking way. So, and then what was even scarier about all of this Y'all is that the person that ran the complex that we were renting from was her childhood best friend. So, like, even when she would act like she was leaving, she would pretend that she was just going down to her cabin because

she lives there full time. So that was even weirder, 'cause it wasn't even like we could have went to the place and been like, look, we're having issues, you know, what are the options for transportation? Do you all have any emergency like you know, like connections for companies or people that will drive, you know, people out of the desert in need of that information? Like there was like, no, even like going there and seeing if we could like get another spot.

Then she started trying to act like she paid extra for certain things that we know. We sent her the money that she asked for. And it's just like really strange to me to be telling people you got a discount but not even telling them what you paid, but then giving them an amount and then later saying it's not enough. It wasn't enough that she paid extra. Like what? That's a no for me, Bob. There's so much you all, and we just want you to know that we're

not like this, like in person. We were all very supportive and just really wanted to, like, have a good time. And it had any moment. She'd been like, you know, I have been being a bitch. I want to be cool. I'm going to try to do this. I'm going to quit drinking today. Then I think we could have had a good time. But instead she was like, what's the scariest shit that I could do with them while we're out here that might maybe make them reconsider meeting Internet

friends? Well, like if I had organized something and somebody was like, I absolutely do not want to do that. Miss me with that shit. I want no part of it. I wouldn't then be super pissed off at them and be like you've you've ruined the entire trip for everybody, like. And that's like the reaction that I got. And yeah, I'm I'm so grateful that we got time in Salt Lake, just us after we got our Airbnb, like we went shopping, we had lunch. I remember the 2nd that we got in the Airbnb.

As soon as we got out of her car and we locked the door behind us, I just started crying. I was crying. I think I cried too. Actually, I can too. Jim and I was in a room crying. And then I went in there I was like, are you OK? And then you were like, yeah, and she. Was OK, Y'all it was like, it traumatized us all. And honestly, I think I was handling it. When we got the Airbnb, I was

like taking care of everything. I got like Jackie running the car and we got the the car at the airport and like, it was just crazy. It was like we dropped our stuff off at the Airbnb and then took a ride to the airport to get the car. It was just like. We almost didn't even want her to know where we were staying, but we were afraid for her to like, drop us off at the airport, like with all of our bags and us not be actually

flying out. Because yes, I did bring like a bunch of shoes and a bunch of clothes because like, it's vacation. Like when I go somewhere I'm not thinking I'm coming to your house and this is like normal and you want to wear sweatpants all day. But like, how do you say you don't like me when we both brought the same black craft cult? Fucking sweatpants bitch. Like, just cause mine are the pink ones and yours are the green ones. Doesn't mean that like. They're not the same fucking

brand bitch, you know? Like she was just being extra with everything. And the more that you point out that she had a problem with me, it does make more and more sense. Because honestly, like Jackie's my friend, you're only there because of me. Who the fuck are you, bitch, besides our chauffeur at this point? Because you're acting like a

psycho. And then you wanted us to treat you like the chauffeur so fucking bad that we literally had to end up spending about another $700.00 collectively that we didn't expect to spend because we had to go rent a car for two. Today, So we weren't stuck at an Airbnb that totally smelled like old people. Oh my. God, it does smell like old people. We did like, yeah, that was definitely not our our choice of like, that's not the way that we

wanted things to go down. And the amount of times that, like, we all had conversations of like, how do we fix this? And like, if you're not feeling included, what are we doing that

makes you feel that way. And I do think that, you know, she was also really more concerned about being on her phone with like her husband and other people that I think so many bonding experiences happened that she just missed out on and she felt some type of way about that and she was probably, you know, lost in her relationship. But yeah. Honestly, even through all of that, I have so much gratitude for that experience. I still don't wish anything bad for her.

I hope that she's doing well. I don't think that she's still married, but that's up to her. I just think she goes in and out of like what she likes and doesn't like so quickly. You have no fucking clue what's coming next. And as a partner, I could not be with someone who's like that. If you're if people are like that in friendships, they're like that in romantic relationships too. They're erratic, they're back and forth, you know? And I think that just deep down, she was like longing for

connection. And friends and the people who need it the most normally don't know how to understand, protect or interact with true connection. They don't know how to, like, actually have friends. And that's why they don't. So if you're listening to this, just like, you know, understand that meeting people like you got to meet them where they're at. You're not meeting someone that you develop a bond with since you were 12. Like you're meeting a literal stranger who you don't know.

And yes, they're going to be different than they are on the Internet, but I would say at a core. A lot of people are going to like, show you who they are early on. I just think that like we only interacted with her a certain amount. She didn't like post content. It wasn't like she does what we do or like any of that. So I think like the most shocking is when we have a guest on who has like a million followers and they're totally different person.

Or we meet someone, we bring them on, and then like, they steal a bunch of ideas from us and then ask us how to do stuff. And then. Are weird, like, about it. You know, like, so I think there's like a bunch of different kinds of people where you just don't expect it to be like that. But then like a lot of the times on the Internet, you know, we're only posting our highlight reel. And I think, you know, sometimes pictures just ain't enough.

Plain enough. Like if you're going to meet somebody, they better be putting some videos out there because pictures is not a fuck enough. Her house was cute. It was clean. It was super like nice. I was really shocked on like how cute and big. Her house was not in any way. I just like know Utah's a lot that kind of expensive in the city because there is a lot of desert land and so the cities are just, that was a beautiful

little house. Yeah, so I knew when she was letting Dirk's old truck leak oil in her driveway that this bitch was settling because. When I saw that, I was like just taking a mental note. I ain't going to say nothing. I'm just going to take a mental note. This person also works for the government, so like it. You know, you got government employees out here acting a fucking fool and handling your laws and money. But we can talk about that another time.

This was really enlightening. I think a lot of people will realize like. What that other episode was and just how traumatized we were, we never once really talked bad, but we wanted to like bring juber on and kind of bring that other perspective in because there were some things I forgot about. I know a lot of us, like, maybe have blocked out some of that trauma, because what else can you do at this point? Thanks for coming on and reliving that with us, Juber no. Thank you.

We. Are in therapy right? So grateful for everyone. We're so grateful for this platform to be able to express all of our ups and downs in life, and we hope you all enjoyed the clarity and the famous juber coming on and a lot of people have heard. Word that name. And now you get to put a face if you're on Patreon and a voice if you're listening to us on all

streaming platforms. We have a new announcement coming up, a real, real, real soon of something that's going to be launching in January, January 11th, exact. So it's going to be exciting. We can't wait to tell you all. And Gemini, do you have anything you want to say? Nope. We love you. Bye.