I'm fascinated and candidly I'm impressed. I never really could understand what the two week pause meant or what.
It was for.
What was left to negotiate, What were we going to expect the Okrainians to offer? In many ways, it was much like a Trump deal. I mean, he's trying to make a deal to buy an apartment, but all of a sudden the apartment was destroyed, So where's the negotiation. So I think the use of deception and trickery in this case, first of all, was successful. The second of all saved the potential loss of American lives.
And we're back to Liberty Lockdown as Clint Russell, thank you fortuning in once again, and I am joined by a very special guest as always, Miss Josie the red Hit of libertay.
Hi, thank you for having me on your show.
Obviously, we did the conversation with the guys, including Sam Tripoli, and you and I weren't on at the same time, so I figured let's have a little deeper conversation about some of the topics that were covered. First off, I wanted to ask you about how you think the I know you're not like as hardened to paint crazy anti war as I am. You don't focus on geopolitics nearly as much as I do. You're more domestic constitutional, border issues, things like that, and culture issues.
I think that we have new access lines being drawn. So in the same way we're seeing countries align with Iran or align with America or align with Israel, we're seeing influencers kind of do the same thing, and they're trying to And the thing is President Trump ran on a non interventionist policy, so all we're doing is holding him accountable to that. And they're trying to say those
people are fake MAGA. And you take someone like Ohen Shroyer, for instance, who's been a major major target at this and saying he's fake mag when he's literally gone to jail for his beliefs and his support of President Trump.
Well, and not just Owen, but Steve Bannon. You know, Steve Bannon's been very outspoken, and he literally went to jail for an extended period of time because he refused to turnover basically the private conversations that he had had with Trump before j six. You don't get much more loyal than Steve Bannon, And for a lot of the people to be upset with him is it's like, okay, you just want war. Like that's my read of things.
There's all these allegations right that Kataris are paying people like you and I to basically want Trump to do what he said, which is to not get us in another Middle Eastern war, and yet they're accusing us of being bought and paid for to do that. Look, I'm
not saying it's all of them. It's certainly not. But I do think that there's a distinct possibility that some right wing influencer accounts are in fact being paid, as they accuse us of sewing division, to in fact be doing that very thing that they are sewing division in hopes of basically alienating the Nona Advenus anti war camp, the libertarian camp, out of the coalition so that then the old school neo con guard can get in there at the behest of both Israel and the military dustrial complex.
That's my gut instinct, in my crazy.
Use your enemy of that which you are guilty accusing you and I or I don't know, Sortovich Pozobic of being talking heads for Qatar, which also kind of came out of nowhere, and it's just it's just not true, like I'm not getting paid for that. You're not getting paid for that, you know. I'd like, yeah, I work for like timcast or something, but.
Well, he's also not dictating your talking points.
So I'm allowed to have free speech over on IRL and when I work for Timcasts, And that's what's so great about working there. I can think of other places if I got hired there that I wouldn't have those speech rights.
Hmmm, I wonder what space she's talking about. Yeah, I would say Daily Wire you probably couldn't do it. The Blaze, you probably couldn't do it because despite the fact that you know, generally speaking, I like Clembeck when it comes to Israel, he is not exactly an impartial observer. I also find it fascinating. I was obviously in California to do freedom Fests. I spoke with Angel McCardel and Bret Weinstein on stage. Hopefully I'll be able to get that
interview out to you guys. But I came back to a busted PC soundction issue that took me three days to remedy. So I'm back in business now. When I first got back the day that I got back was the Tucker Carlson versus Ted CRU's showdown, and I thought it was just spectacular. I thought that Tucker really hammered him on so many of the one oh one arguments for intervention in why Israel is our greatest ally and YadA YadA yah, and I was like, Oh, finally, finally
someone did it. You know what's really remarkable about Tucker is that what he's saying is not that remarkable. That it is only remarkable because it's so rare, because there is any single fucking journalist in this country hardly that asked real questions that goes like, yeah, what does Israel do for us? You know, like what intel are you functioning off of? How do you know that they're going to have nukes in a couple of weeks? Journalists just
never follow up. They just go like, oh, okay, you know, let's go to war.
I really like the part of that interview where he got Ted Cruz to essentially say we are at war with Iran and he's like, well, you're breaking news right now, because.
He's like, we're vohminam right now, well not.
US, but Israel, and like almost like we're giving him permission when it's like no, I mean, like, philosophically, we support that. And then Ted Cruz was like, you're being so smug or something like that, and it's like, no, he's just asking you questions that you're not used to being asked.
I did like Tucker's responsor He's like, could you be a little less smugg He's like, you're right, I should be. That's one of my yeah, one of my foibles or whatever he said. But yeah, it's it's time, you know, Like I think that That's been my greatest frustration with the you know, maga influencer class. That is, even though they would say that they're not you know, Laura lumers of the world. As I've said many times, I know her, I like her, but Jesus Christ, war is afoot. She
and I couldn't be more far apart. And you know, there's this constant accusations of like us accusing Trump of wanting to go to war or him already being at war, and it's like, look, I'm not accusing him of anything. I don't know what the fuck's happening. All I'm saying is that if you're like an adult human being that
lived through one through three, which she is. She was young, but she lived through You have to remember this, like you have to remember the arc that led to the greatest catastrophe in foreign policy history in my lifetime at least, which was the War on Terror. And it's like, we are speed running that, and anybody who lived through that knows that we're speed running it. It's all of the similarities,
all of the hallmarks exist the exact same way. And yet if I just go like, hey, I'm seeing some stuff here that looks like the hallmarks of us going to an unnecessary, illegal, unconstitutional, undeclared war again, and I don't want to do that.
That are your boys aren't going to die in Israel? It's like, so we're not going to go to work. They're screaming for war at one side of their mouth, and then they're saying, well, we're not going to send humans there, like we're not gonna have boots on the ground, Like, how could you even think that we would even do that. It's like, well, that's because we've done it before. We're watching the same playbook.
We have over twenty years of experience doing exactly that, and you that we're panicking to say that we might be doing it again. Oh and by the way, it happens to be the seventh nation out of a list of seven that was detailed by General Wesley. At some point you just have to accept the fact that this looks like a multi decade plan at the behest of another country's foreign policy that is not at the benefit of the American people.
So what happened to each of these countries after they were overthrown? So did they essentially get I mean, you know more about geopolitics than I do. I've been overthrown and then they were regime changed each of them. What's the state of these countries on the Wesley Clerk list?
No, not good. It's Libya, Yemen. They've both been hit hard. Iraq Afghanistan toppled entirely. I think it was one of them, and we bombed the hell out of it.
It was run by gangs for a while.
And also we were bombing them during that period too. Point being and Libya, Libya is the sixth and that's a fucking open air slave market. So it's like none of them have gone well. So I think that's the biggest argument in the invention is Camp's corner, that's like irrefutable. You know, if you had this list of seven nations and they were all led I didn't love the leadership of most of those countries. Some of them weren't terrible,
but most of them were not good. But if your track record was, Okay, we're going to conquer all these countries through an intervention or invasion or bombing campaigns or CIA coups, and as a consequence, yeah, democracy broke out, peace broke out, everyone stopped fighting, guns stopped shooting, and it's like, okay, well then you know, I'll listen to what you have to say about it, Ron, But it's like the six other ones were disasters.
What do you think? What is the reason I'm not in.
The money camp. I think when I was a young libertarian, I looked at it that way much more. I definitely bought into the what I think is largely a lie, honestly at this point that it was about getting the oil. You know, we got to get the oil from Iraq. Halliburton and Blackwater and these other companies. They made a fortune in rebuilding. You know, if you want to make an argument about the money, the argument is the rebuilding
money that's where a lot of money is. So you rebelize the country and then bring in American contractors to build things up. Okay, there's some money being made there, no doubt about it. But I think those are like campaign donations that are offset by those contracts. I think it's a power play. I think it's about soft power brought about through hard power, so you topple a dictator that does not do your bidding, does not go along
with you. But in that region, it's more about what Israel wants, in my opinion, and then once you replace them with a leadership that's a little bit more amicable, or a country that's just so fucked up that they can't pose a threat to Israel, it's like, Okay, mission accomplished. I think that's what it's been.
So it's like break your legs and sell you crutches.
Yeah kind of. And I think the other thing that really drives me nuts is that to paint it as humanitarian. It's like, ugh, you don't give I mean, come on, like, does anyone after twenty plus years of bombing and sanctioned regimes and starving and all this just madness? Can anyone look at that and go like, Oh, it's clear to me that you guys care about these people. Is it not clear that they don't care about these people that they're obviously collateral damage in war of conquest.
During COVID overthrowing of leadership of countries that weren't compliant with Big Pharma. I think there were three to five residents of different Third World countries taken out because they weren't compliant with.
The shot they came up with it. Baxteroris like, Oh, this guy just had heart disease. This one.
It was totally unrelated assassination that happened during COVID, and nobody really noticed because we were all distracted by COVID.
Yeah. I know that there was some overthrows in civil wars and stuff that happened in Africa. It's not as if Haiti is not known for having revolutions anyways. It could just be coincidental. It could be the fact that the economy was fucked up and there's lockdowns and therefore
there's real discontent amongst the people. I don't even know if Haiti had lockdowns, to be honest, but yeah, there's just a lot of manipulation of the masses in a way that I think I didn't give full credence to when I was younger breaking news.
What happened According to the Washington Post, b two bombers fly across Spacific as Trump contemplates Iran strike, and the lead headline that popped down for me said, there's been three American strikes on Iran nuclear facilities.
So we're bombing Iran.
No, I just want to read it real quick. What the Washington Post will do is they'll put something like that. That was the headline. That's what grabbed me. I'm sure you saw my face, but I'm reading through it now just to make sure that they weren't just trying to pull you in to read the article.
Yeah. Sure.
Now they're saying, yeah.
So it looks like when they wrote the article they were flying across That was hours ago, yep. And now that's been updated to say that they're bombing.
Happy World War three? Everybody that sucks.
Man. You know it's funny too, because what is it? Saturday? It's Saturday, right, Saturday? Yeah, I said, I told people that were asking me on X on Wednesday, I said I expected to happen Friday, so I was off by a day but that was like just reading the tea leaves. You know, this is why is it really Republican panic?
That's the That's what it is. It's so corny.
They think it's way too It's just a nickname, and they're so bad at nicknames because the neocons, like the left, cannot mean. So I'm trying to vet that right now. No, I don't trust the Washington Post.
It'll be all over X if you want to. I'm so bombed. This is point that I'm sure everyone in my audience is capable of making, but I got to make it.
Anyways, it's a confirmed Donald Trump announced it. Want me to read this sure from Donald Trump on truth. We have completed our very successful attack on three nuclear sites in Iran, including four dough Nantes, Nantance and.
What the fuck.
Yes, all planes are now outside of Iran airspace. A full payload of bombs was dropped on the primary site, Pordoh. All planes are safely on their way home. Congratulations to our great American warriors. There is not another military in the world that could have done this. Now is the time for peace. Thank you for your attention to this matter. That was an act of war. No kidding, and there will be retribution onto America. It'll likely be our military sites.
No one's saying that there are not sleeper cells in America that they could activate right now because that happened.
Well, I've always believed that if there were sleeper cell, like you know, Laura Lumer claims there's two million potections, I'm sure there's some. I'm just saying if they had not even two million, if they had a thousand that were like really ready to just strap on vests and go ballistic, you would see some of that during the war in Gaza, because there's so much anger at America
for supporting Israel during that process. So the fact that we haven't makes me feel like it's largely overblown, that it's largely you know, right wing propaganda like that. It's funny too that they always bring it up, because it's like that's panicin' if you will. But yeah, there's I think that the real danger. And this is the point that I kept trying to make to Laura lomer Is. I was trying to be friendly about it, but still very frustrated. She kept saying, you know, what is the
fucking big deal? Like, look, Laura if you bomb another country and they're not just a total bitch about it, They're gonna respond. And guess what. Iran unfortunately has stationed their country directly next to dozens of American military bases. Oh, I'm sorry. What I meant to say was that America station dozens of military bases all around Iran, as we've done with China and other countries in Russia, they have within their reach. As you know, Dave Smith always says
they can touch us. We don't have escalation dominance, and therefore it's almost undoubted that they're going to fucking respond. And if an American soldier gets killed, which probably will happen, then we're at war.
Yes, that's an active war.
And I've tried to explain this and they're like, well, it's different because Iran is a terrorist state and America is a superpower. So if they bombed our nuclear facilities then that would be an act of war because we're bigger than them. But if we bomb their's, they're terrorists, and so it's different. Right, I'm like this, there's no logic behind this.
Well, if you try and hold an equal moral standard to both sides, they accuse you of moral relativism, which is so bizarre because it's like, no, I'm actually trying to apply the same morality to both sides, not to say that we're both equally bad or good or anything like that. I'm just saying, is there a standard that we can actually evaluate this who is the aggressor? Who is behaving in a moral fashion? Like is it a
moral to bomb kids? Or isn't it like because I would say it is always it's very amral to bomb kids, but it does seem as if like it's it's almost certainly going to be a city. Like we've already seen Iron's response against Israel. I don't think that they can allow for this to happen without without striking American basis. I mean, I could be wrong, and I hope I'm wrong. I really do. I hope that they just go, all right,
you've destroyed our nuclear facilities, uncle mercy. But like, if they do that, they're at Israel's mercy for the rest of their existence. They'll never be able to defend themselves ever.
You know, I was just thinking, we don't see each other very often, but every time we do, there's enormous news. When Donald Trump got shot we just happened to be in Vegas and now we're doing this interview and world War three starts go kind of jinx is this client?
Well, let me explain I think most people know this too. Let me explain kind of the alliance and why a lot of people think that, like it's fearmongering to say that this might be amount to World War three, But like, you have to understand that Russia has been at war with Ukraine via our proxy, which is Ukraine. Russia and Iran are extremely close allies. Syria was their ally, it's already gone. Russia has obviously been in this war for years,
so they feel very much under threat as well. They cannot see the rather big ally in the Middle East go down without a fight. So unless they make a deal with Trump and they're like, all right, we're now members of the West. But does anybody see that happening? I don't. So basically, we're now in a position where Putin is going to feel in my opinion, I could be wrong, but it looks highly likely that he's going to feel as if we have to defend a Ron.
Absolutely, it feels to me like Iran as Russia is Israel Essentially, they always felt like, We're going to take care of this little country. It's the way that America treats Israel, even though I feel like there's more of Israel running the US than US taking care of Israel. But it's like we're always going to have your back, and that's how it's always felt to me with Russia and Iran. So and now we sort of came at Putin and now we have another superpower that we're dealing with.
We're not dealing with the small terrorist state that's on its knees. As Ted Cruz said, well, everybody else is saying, it's the biggest threat in the world. The thing about the neocons, they really have to get on the same page and have one unified message.
You'd think, but they don't actually because they can pivot from There was comparisons of Saddam Hussein to Hitler. I remember, you know Putin, also Hitler, you know Supreme Leader. Obviously
Hitler is Jijinping certainly Hitler. It's like they don't have have to pick one because they just apply the same fucking script to the same to whatever country they want, whatever country is in their crosshairs at any given moment, and there will always be about a third of America that just goes like yep bomb.
You know what's interesting about that, it's the same way. I mean, you know they're always accuse your enemy of that which you're guilty. So well, write what do the Marxists do? They take one thing and they take the same storyline and they apply it to the one thing. So you know, it's like blm, how do we get black people to be in power?
Again?
Well, we got to abolish the family of religion, nations, orders, truth, and how do we overthrow the banks and the capitalists. We got to overthrow family and religion and history and truth. It's all the same script, and that's what they do. They're like, well, we got to do this because that's Hitler. Well we got to overthrow this country because it's Hitler.
And as you probably are aware, the root ideology of neo conservatism gets its rise from Bolshevism. So it's like it's not really a quindence. I know a lot of people would think like, oh, you think the woke and the neo cons are like the same. It's like, yeah, they can't. Actually they are in a lot a lot of ways, like profound deep ways.
Speaking of Bolsheviks, isn't it interesting that we are kind of force fed.
Excuse me, trotzkyes, I said, Bolsheviks ahead.
Oh, we're kind of force fed Hitler and killing the Jews, but we're not taught about the Bolshevik resolution at all.
Oh that's weird. Why is that? I don't know.
I don't know.
Yeah, given the news that just broke, it's just one of those things that, like you either laugh about it a little bit or you cry. I don't think anyone's gone any harder than I have against this, I really,
you know. I was lamenting this last night on X to Justin Imash because he was saying, there's a reason that I rarely endorse other politicians, And he's like, the reason is because I've almost never known anybody that went to DC and actually maintained their principles, their values, did what they.
Promised Thomas Massey and that's about it.
Right, and ran to an extent. For sure, I'm sure he would give those guys a pass, or he would probably endorse them if they needed it, which they don't. But I think for me, what I've struggled with most about this presidency is that this was the first time I really felt as if I didn't know, but I had a vibe. I had a feel for Tulsi you, I mean, you've interviewed her too. I had a vibe certainly for Cash Mattel. I spent a couple hours with the guy and talk to him at length. RFK Junior,
I've met Trump. I didn't meet, but you know, we were at the same event. And then the vague obviously elon who you know to a certain extent. And it's like, I've never felt as if I had any any sense of the moral character, the internal drives of these of any other White House ever. I just felt as if like this was our best chance of having an administration that we could influence to do a little bit of good,
just a little bit. And it's like, if we end up in a fucking I mean, if we end up in a full on war with Iron, which looks likely, if we end up in World War three, well then I made a huge fucking mistake. I made a huge fucking no.
No.
In fairness absolutely got to happen with a Kamala Harris obviously, but I really thought that Trump would try and avoid this, and.
He is not because we know Kamala Harris is more of a communist than a neocon.
So but as we just described, there's some same roots.
Absolutely, so I think we would have probably gone in, but it would have been a different angle.
I think it would have just been Ukraine. I think it would have been Ukraine. I think we would escalated heavy in Ukraine. This just happened. It is a bombing campaign. It does not mean necessarily that Iron will respond. They may just eat it. They might, but if they respond, and if they kill any quantity of American troops, I think you know as well as I do that we're in a football and war.
This is I mean, I'm a libertarian, so most of my followers are pretty like small l like I am. I have a lot of Massy and Ram Paul and Ron Paul disciples. But I shared this post about Trump and I wrote, pray for our troops. There will be retribution, and the comments are like, no ground troops planes are almost home. I smell success. It's like, yeah, now you smell success, But what you're gonna smell when they you think they're just gonna get on their knees.
I don't think people understand the nature of the dynamic here now that, as I've said many times, that does not mean that Iran will not just eat this. They may say, look, if we fucking strike American troops in the region, which we have, they have full capacity to do. So that's a fact that they absolutely could if they
wanted to. There is a chance, given that America is still very powerful militaristically, that they just go, We're not going to do it once you've already committed to bombing Israel, which if it's accurate that Israel has two hundred nuclear warheads and obvious capacity to reach around with them where it's like this is kind of a point of no return.
And if they feel that way, if they feel as if they cannot just stop, if they feel as if if they stop, Israel is going to come in and take them out anyways, then they're not going to stop, and they are going to escalate, and they're going to try and get Russia and China involved on their side, and if that happens, then we are fully in World War three. And I don't think anybody understands really how fucking insanely dangerous all this is.
Let's get canceled and talk about greater Israel.
Oh okay, yeah, I mean there have been plans that have been talked about openly, including a map that Netanyahu showed before October seventh that included, you know, West Bank, Gaza, portions of I think it was Turkey, portions of Iran, portions of Syria that all become part of greater Israel.
Excellent. So what's the overlap with the Wesley Clark prediction and great it.
Happens to be like two thirds of them?
Interesting? This is very fascinating.
We're learning together. I mean, this is this is why I came to the conclusions I have. It's not like I'm just fucking making it up. I just know what this list said, and you guys are taking them. You're doing it. So what's your what's your your bet? Does Iran respond heavily?
I think Aronald Bama base, I don't think they'll activate a sleeper cell. I think they probably have. They're two disorganized. I'm sure there are sleeper cells. We have like twenty million illegal people in our country and they're unvetted, and I'm sure that they're sleeper cells. I feel like we've had one or two activate on a very very small scale, or try to in the last four years.
Well, yeah, if you want to go down the really dark path, Alex Jones and others, you know, people that I generally respect, have been beaten this strum for a long time that there are you know, there's sleeper cells. They don't really talk about Iran all that often. It was sometimes it was like Muslim terrace, but oftentimes it
was like CCP. And my great fear is that if that's true, which I just as I already said earlier, I am not convinced that it's true that there's thousands of thousands of sleeper cells, if you end up in World War three, it's not going to be like Iraq war Persian golf type shit. It's going to be fucking chaos here. And we've never dealt with that, like, not since Pearl Harbor. And even then we didn't really feel
with like deal with war on our soil. It was just like one attack and then it was war over there the entire time. So that's my great fear, man given given our cultural divide, like the racial divide, all these other things that have been you know, worsened because of cultural Marxism, like, we're not going to handle that, Like, if we have war on our soil, we're going to fall apart.
They're going to attack the power grid. I don't think they need thousands. I think they need just a few guys willing, like you said, to just strap a vest on and go for it.
Pearl Harbor. I believe was unsolicited.
I believe that just kind of I mean, America hadn't declared war at that point. It kind of the attack kind of just happened, kind of an unsolicited attack. No, did America drop a bomb before, Okay.
But what we did do is that we you know, Japan's and island, and we put a full oil embargo on them.
Mmm.
We basically gave them no option. If you're in a war and another country says you're not allowed to have any oil, how would you respond to that? You go like, oh, we're at war then, like obviously we're at war. So, yes, it was a sneak attack. Do you think that Japan, this tiny little island, was like, yeah, we really want to fight America, Like no.
That's why they fought a tiny little island.
Yeah. So yeah, that story is a little bit complex, but anyways, you were going to make a point to try and connect that to this situation. So what was the point?
I was going in a direction, but then I had a question, and then my brain that's.
Fair that happens. I'm kind of scatterbrained as a consequence of this breaking news because I haven't had time to internalize what it could mean. So, I mean, you guys are getting to watch my real time reaction to what comes next, and it's not good.
Well, I'm really glad my live reaction when Trump got shot was not recorded.
I started crying.
She did, I was there, we were I had just this was actually to tie back into the other story that was right after I had done the panel with Cash butt Well, and then Trump's face was grazed by a.
Bullet and I'm just like, I just started crying and Clint's like, are you okay? What's the matter, And I'm like, I have no idea. I don't know why I'm doing this. It was just the strangest reaction to me. It was just such massive news. But I'm handling World War three pretty well.
Yeah, you are, actually hand You're handling World War three much better than you handled Trump almost getting.
Shot, but I hadn't endorsed Trump or anything at that point. I was still on the fence. I endorsed him that night.
No, you posted it that night, I remember, but yeah, I mean that was concerning. And those are the type of moments, like just history changing moments, you know, like if you see a president assassinated, the course of your country changes. Like even from a libertarian perspective, you don't have to like it. You don't have to respect the presidency or the White House or the government or any of that. It just changes history. It does because a lot of people do believe in the government, they do
believe in the authority of the president everything else. And like, if that happens, it just totally takes whatever course you're on, and it puts it on a new one. Whether it's good or bad, it's new. This is a course changer that, in my opinion, derails Trump's lay legacy. Unless he get unless he just buy a miracle, Uran just goes, We're done. If that doesn't happen, this ruins Trump's legacy. It ruins I'm telling you what, I honestly think. I think that
this destroys America. First, Maga, It's over. It will be a complete civil war. I don't mean that in actual fighting per se, but it'll be a civil war divide between the Maga America first. You'll have the Trump sick offense you can do no wrong, and you'll have the actual America first, people that meant it when they said it, no more wars.
Yeah, the next forty eight hours are going to be really telling, really crucial, and I warn everybody there's going to be fog of war, which is just used.
It's not going to be we're in it right now. I mean, we don't know anything that's happening right now. For sure. The propaganda's going to get heavier.
It's going to get very heavy, and you just have to use discernment everything that you hear. There's going to be a lot out of Israel. The Israel channels are the biggest pushers of the propaganda. Also mainstream media they don't really love this war. The mainstream media. They're a different kind of neocon that they don't really love the defense of Israel.
They're not the Republican neo konos.
Fox News has been being the.
One Fox News. I'm talking MSNBC.
Well because they always have to paint it as Trump being the bad guy no matter what. But I'll tell you I would be surprised, particularly if American troops get hit in response, which is probable. I bet you CNN, MSNBC, MSNBC they all get behind Trump. I know that sounds crazy and people won't even believe me when I say it, but I'd be surprised. Not all of them, but a big chunk of them are going to start to say, like, God, you know, defend our country.
Once we're at war. We need the unified front.
And the thing is that people that own the news stations, whoever owns the information, they know that we need a unified front behind a war.
That we are You're barely old enough to remember, but I know you remember a little bit. Was the feeling after nine to eleven, Yes, And it's like there has never been a high or high in terms of in my lifetime, in terms of patriotism, bloodless, like let's get vengeance, you know, and none of that exists right now. So we are entering into the biggest war. Ran is a bigger foe than any other war that we've ever been in hot because Russia is a proxy war still no,
hopefully that says that way. Yes, this is the biggest foe we've ever taken on, and we are entering it with the least public support for a war in my lifetime. That's fucking crazy. They just stopped caring what we have to say.
And there was a vigil and I'm talking Massachusetts. This is where and I mean this area that I grew up in. They are hippies. They are the lesbian, liberal hippie farmers, Okay, And they were having this vigil in the street and everybody was singing God bless America and just America, the beautiful and I'm talking these are the people who who cry and gag when you say Donald Trump and I think America is racist and all that. It was after nine to eleven, the day after nine
to eleven. This is the feeling that there was in the most liberal area of the most liberal state.
And that was a nationwide sensation. I mean it was obviously New York was not some big George Bush country, and they were. They couldn't have been more behind it.
Everybody was behind it. And you know, I wasn't behind the broader war on terror, but I certainly in the immediate aftermath was like, whoever did that has to pay, you know, because even from a libertarian perspective, like, yeah, I'm not interventionist, but that doesn't mean I don't believe in self defense not aggression, right, and we had been
aggressed upon. Now the story complicates once you start to like really dig into who was involved with all that, Like all right, maybe I don't know did we've res upon ourselves? But you know what I'm saying, It was like anyways, point being to contrast that period to this period, it couldn't be more different. You had I don't know what the numbers were, but I would imagine it was eighty to ninety percent people that were in support of like just go blow up something, you know, they were
like get them yep. And that's not how we feel right now.
And I mean a lot of it.
We were in high school, so we were at an age where they say the millennials of zennials or whatever, like we're watching World War threefold and we also watched the towers fall from math class in the Great Recession while we're trying to buy a house. Yeah, we're trying to raise kids during COVID. I mean the we Millennials get a lot of shit, but we've been.
Through a lot of shit.
Yeah, it's been hard, man, it's been hard. And honestly though, like you know, zoomers also get a lot of shit, and I've got a lot of sympathy for them because, like everything we've gone through to a certain extent, they've gone through. They were like younger, so they didn't they've not felt it as poignantly. But then they also had like the social media, online dating, and then also like
the hard woke education and the progress sexual progressivism. I'm like, this is where I start to lean into, like, yeah, this is fucking psychological warfare. And it makes you wonder if we've been in World War three for a long time.
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised because the warfare that we're getting is on the internet, you know, so it's like an information warfare. So we have been at World War three because we've had China or whatever changing the algo on TikTok so that the kids, their kids in China if they can't use TikTok, but when they could, they would have like math lessons, yeah, and things to make them smarter.
School lessons and things like that. I think that it could be just a product of cultural differences that young people in China are just raised to be like good, productive people, kind of how older generations in America were, And perhaps the algorithm is just a product of we show you what you want to see, and they wanted to see that, or their parents don't allow them to see the other stuff, and they just respect their parents
so they don't do it. I could be wrong, though, I mean, it could certainly be psychological warfare, and it's undoubtedly true that American social media companies do that to foreign countries at the best of the CIA and things like that too.
So yeah, it's probably a mix of we're going to keep raising our children this way and this is all our children can say because we are a communist eight.
Right, But you know, I think the unfortunate reality is too like if a if a country is filled with children that want brain rot content, are you doing anything wrong? Because like from a purely American lase a fair capitalist model, you should just like the ilgo ought to be giving you what you want to see that keeps you on the app longer. So if you're the type of person that wants terrible things to be filling your brain. Well, then you get what you asked for, you know.
And that goes back to American culture, like parents raising kids to want to see the terrible things their parents barely raising kids. Kids really are raising themselves.
That's the problem in my opinion, that's the big problem. And you're a very attentive parent, so you can speak to this better than I can. But I know, you know, I was a latch key kid, you know, to a large extent, and you know, some people would say that means that you're raising yourself, but like, I wasn't raising myself. With the Internet, I was like almost a professional roleerplayer. But I was really good at it. I actually dropped into the bowl at the Carlsbad skate Park with Tony
Hawk when I was nine years old. Wow, yeah, it was very good. Anyways, setting that aside, I'm gay. This is fully out of the closet now. But what I mean is I was raising myself, but I was doing like you were developing your self endeavors and athletic endeavors, and I had real friends, and like, it just doesn't seem like the kids raising themselves today are doing that. Like they're raising themselves on a laptop or an iPad, and it's like that isn't good.
Yep, because they're getting so we might get our influence when we were kids. We might have got it from our friends or maybe an uncle or an aunt that we would go see when our mom wasn't home because we were latch key kids, and she'd be home for dinner. You know, if we go out and play, we come home when the street lights came on. It was just the way that our world worked, or my world worked anyway. I don't want to make any assumptions about you, but you know, I'd still have my mom, She'd still be
in the house. I wasn't raising myself in that sense. I was able to develop myself and make bad choices that I learned from and make good choices that I learned from. Right now, we have a lot of work from home. I'm very less to be able to do that. And I have great kids, great kids, you know, And I know a lot of parents say that, but I
actually do. They're not raising themselves on the internet. They play outside, they go for bike rides, they play sports, and they do clubs and all the things that kids should be doing.
Basically being raised in the same style that we were exactly.
Yes, my oldest daughter has a Discord and she only talks to her friends from school on it. I'm guilty of the weird chatrooms. I was in the Will Smith chatroom growing up. That was my favorite chat room. It was just on his website, Willsmith dot com and he had a chat room. So I would go hang out in the Will Smith chatroom and I thought it was so cool. So AOL is where we would talk to our friends, you know, on that we knew in real life.
And that's what the kids do with Discord.
Then my middle daughter she likes to game and she games with her cousin and her friend up in Massachusetts because we live in Florida.
So they use the Internet to talk to people that they.
Actually know they know in real life, and that's it. That's the extent of their Internet use. You know, they don't have well MJ. My older daughter does have a figure account if you know anything about she has my figure she runs my Figure O fan account. But that's the extent of their Internet use.
Yeah. No, I think it's just a much healthier way to do things. And you know, this is kind of what I said during that conversation with Tripoli and then was like, I hate feeling like a Luddite. I hate it, but I can't help but acknowledge that, like, and granted it could be correlation causation, and maybe this is wrong to connect these, but like our culture has degraded so rapidly under this all encompassing internet framework. It's like, it's just so obvious to me. And that doesn't mean that
I don't love the Internet. It's changed my life and improved my life in many many ways. But at the same time, like on net, can we really argue that it's been like the best thing ever? And I'm like, I don't think so.
There is a dopamine addiction that we're dealing with. It is a massive addiction. I use the Internet for work primarily, You too, same thing. We primarily use it for work. And I think that that's a reason why my kids aren't big Internet kids, because they see me use it for work and they're like, well, mom does it and it's boring exactly, It's gay and retarded, you know. So
then that's just the way that it is. And I'm totally okay with them thinking that when it comes to Instagram, for instance, and even women my age, they deal with seeing people live the perfect lives, have the perfect homes, see the perfect kids, and people put their best moments up on Instagram.
Well because keeping up with the Joneses has always been a phenomenon. But the Joneses was just the wealthy family in your town. It wasn't the wealthiest person in the world Dubai, you know. And it's like, at this point, even if you're like really successful by like any other standards, if you're in the top one percent, your life sucks compared to a lot of people on earth. Just the truth. You ain't in the just because you're in the top
one percent. You're making three four hundred and five hundred thousand dollars a year. You ain't flying on a private jet. You may not even be fine for first class, depending on how many kids you got at home. I think it just exasperated the issues with keeping up with.
The jones That's actually a really good point.
A lot of people get depressed and then they get mad, and so Instagram will respond with things like we're going to remove the likes so that nobody could see how many likes they have. And this is going to fix us, Like, no, that's going to make them crave it somewhere else because they felt the likes exactly.
Yeah, I know Elon was talking about that for a while and both you and I were like, Nope, don't want that. No.
See, with likes on X and with political stuff, it comes down to consensus. This is where ratioing comes from. It's like, all right, if there's one hundred comments and one like you had a bad idea, and people need to know that that was a bad idea, and that's how they read it, and they can to about a ninety percent accuracy, I would estimate.
Sometimes, you know, you.
Get dogpiled by the left and they're just trying to ratio you. Like so it's a plan to ratio. It's not just this natural conclusion that this was a dumb thing to say. It's that we need to make this look like it was a dumb thing so size.
It does allow for kind of community, the policing of wrong think, if you will, in a way that's like it's passive though it's not aggressive, it's not state violence. It's just like everyone thinks that you sound like a creep, right, you know, that type of shit, so there is value in it. But I do want to just circle back to the topic to Jor because we're gonna end here soon. What do you think? Where are we going?
It looks like World War three? And I think that once they.
Pulled World War three, yeah, worlder three, they pulled the Tulsi into it, and that was the last person we thought would break and once they got.
We need to explain that. Do you want to explain it or should I.
You can explain it.
So six weeks ago, maybe two months.
Ago it was March when she had the first interview, was late March.
I thought, okay, so three months ago, yep. She gives her testimony in front of I think it was a congress, yep. And she gives her annual assessment, and she's very explicit that, well, yes, Ron has continued to produce uranium at sixty percent purity or whatever it's called, and therefore like that's not good. But they have not made the decision to restart their nuclear program, which was suspended in two thousand and three. So this is not like a country that's obviously angling
for a nuclear weapon. In fact, they have demonstrated pretty clearly that they were not trying to build one because they could have. And she posts the testimony in which she says what I just said, and she goes, in fact, they could be. You know, they could have a nuclear weapon in two weeks if they wanted to. And it's like that is such a huge like shift. The sentiment was, as of three months ago, they're not going for noakes. The sentiment of her revising that statement today was yes
they are. And the fact that that proceeded within less than twenty four hours to us bonding them, I don't think is a coincidence.
I knew she was the last in line. Soon as she got behind it, it was over. As soon as she did, I'm like, yeah, it's over.
We're going to war.
I agree.
And the response to Tulsi in general, by the I guess the maga with the neocons is that Tulsi lied to Congress and so lose her job. I'm like, no, she literally didn't lie to Congress.
She actually told the truth.
I told the truth.
It's so disappointing men, and therefore gave guests you could say, cassas belly like cause for war against them, even though nations have a right to build nuclear weapons. They have a right to defend themselves. I don't like the leadership of Iran. I don't want anyone to have nukes, including my own country, But it doesn't change the fact that if we have massive nuclear arsenals, and if people are autonomous sovereign nations they ought to be, they ought to
have the right to defend themselves too. Now these weapons are so dangerous that all grant that it's existential, like if you get nuclear weapon in the hands of a mad man, it's an existential threat. The truth is is that in many instances, I think America is led by mad men, and we have thousands of nuclear weapons, and Russia's got them, China's got them, and France has got them, and Pakistan's got them, and the UK's got them North Korea.
So and Israel.
Do the people have a right to defend themselves from Israel, who is obviously aggressing upon them in a very fucking savage way. Do they not have a right to try and defend themselves with a nuclear arsenal given that their aggressor has hundreds of nuclear weapons themselves.
The goal is to wipe them out, And there is something I would like to address and I'll use your show to do it.
If you don't mind, feel free.
Comparing every war that you want to get into is not the Revolutionary war. The Revolutionary War was a civil war separated by an ocean, and you had the king of these countries literally arming people to kill women and children. He was arming natives, he was arming Canadians, he was arming the Hessians. He was bringing colonists out to the ocean and saying, we're either going to walk the plank. We're going to throw you overboard, or you're going to go back and kill your whole family and all of
your friends. And those are your choices. So and if you don't believe me, you can read the last seven grievances and the Declaration of Independence and that'll cover all of them. So it wasn't just about taxes. We weren't mad about the taxes. Comparing an offense strategy to a defensive strategy where you're really just trying to stop a tyrant king from killing everybody, it's not the same thing.
And this is what I get the most of this is the you know, because I'm anti war, and they'd be like, wo, how can you be anti war if you are all about the revolutionary one, I'm like defensive exactly. I'm a non interventionist, and there was no intervention.
I don't know any libertarian that doesn't support the vast majority of libertarians recognize that the Revolutionary War, the American Revolution, is one of the only wars that's been just like because we don't support them very many wars, but like that is crystal clear a just war.
Also, other grievances they had King George there were two tiers of justice where he would actually take Americans and have them tried in England. So you got in trouble, you were gonna have to sail on a ship and go all the way to England to have your trial. So you wouldn't have a jury of your peers. He would have mock trials for regular probably.
Helped formulate the Constitution, didn't it make sure that you're tal appeers because they're like, you're not going to ship you at England.
Also, quartering troops that's another one. Quartering troops that's another one. You know. So a lot of the Bill of Rights is framed around these abuses that King George did to the American colonists and to be like, well, it's literally just like the revolution to go bomb Iran nuclear facilities is the dumbest, the most, the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Well, completely agree, I would say I don't actually hear much of that. What I hear a lot of is it's every every war is always World War two. Every war's World War two, and every leader that were is our enemy is always Hitler or Stalin or whatever, and it's just not you know, like, it doesn't mean that, it doesn't mean that they're not bad. Also, some of them are actually genuinely bad, and in fact, everything that you think you know about World War Two is probably
not accurate. It's a good thought experiment just to think about what the mainstream narrative, what the history books will actually say about the past five years, and think about how unbelievably different that will read compared to what you think transpired. Now, extrapolate that back to before the Internet and seventy five plus years ago in World War Two.
Do you think that it would actually reflect the reality given that they had no independent reporting or social media by which you can get other counter narratives out there, or would it probably be more fucking delusional and detached from reality. I think the answer is the letter.
It's going to be ridiculous looking back in history from twenty thirteen to about twenty twenty that is completely made up. All of the real news was completely censored in that time, so there's really no evidence of Like I use when I do all my research, I use artifacts or documents. I use stuff right from that time period because I can check them against each other, and that helps me kind of gauge what's truth and what's not by what witnesses.
Witness I can read through trial documents and everything because they've preserved it all so well. We don't have that for that period of time. So that's going to be a really interesting period of time. The Obama presidency it's going to be very interesting, and then the beginning of the Trump presidency going to be very interesting too.
It's all disas from reality in my opinion.
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