The Comedy Contagion

this one. And I think the reason that I was able to catch. It is just simply because these are my people, because I'm a huge fan of obviously Davey's a friend and Rogan and I've followed them forever, and I've followed the news backlash to these things very consistently for a very long time. I can sense when people are doing things that are reputationally damaging. There's usually a catalyst for that. What is that catalyst, and it's if

it's not evident, well then it's probably hidden. And if it's hidden, then it's probably ops show the logical chain there. So I think that's what we're witnessing. But I want to go through some of the responses because this has been a tremendous opportunity to distill who is worth listening to and following moving forward in my opinion, and I think at the someone who's risen, Well, there's been tons

of figures that have fallen over the past week. One of the figures that I'm very fond of that has risen and risen to the occasion is Brett Weinstein, and he has put out a video which I'll play for you in a second. But before I do that, I want to talk about a little bit about why I think Douglas Murray setting aside the actual the actual argument, and just talk about the tone and delivery and why it doesn't land with an American audience, particularly a Joe

Rogan audience. There is something very different culturally between Americans and the Brits. They have a class structure that is much more prominent than the way we look at things. Certainly we still have you know, class here, but it's just not that's not how we decipher truth from fiction. And I think that the reason that someone like Rogan rose to such high levels of popularity and listenership is because he doesn't rely on class, he doesn't rely on credentialism.

He's just do you have an argument. Okay, you're a comic and you want to talk about Israel palasign. Okay, let's do it. Let's see if your argument stands up. Oh you you're a comic and you have an argument

about a foreign war. Well how about I bring in an alleged expert on that, like Douglas Murray and see if you can hold your own I think what rubs the Brits the wrong way, And I've realized this after listening to both constantin kiss and Douglas Murray and Carl Benjamin aka Sargon of a cod is that they they definitely ascribe greater value to those that wear a suit and speak in a posh accent and come from an upper class background, went to Oxford or Cambridge or whatever.

I think that that's not how Americans really view things, and I think that it's increasingly the opposite of how Americans view things. Like if you're talking to somebody who went to a state school or Harvard or Yale, you're probably going to be more doubtful of the legitimacy of the claims that comes from someone who was indoctrinated to the Ivy League. At least you know people in this audience for sure. At least I am. I don't take

your credentials seriously at all. You're gonna have to demonstrate to me that, like, you're actually a free thinker, a critical thinker, You're intelligent. I could have gotten through Harvard easily, But does that make me smart? Well, I guess you could say that it makes me smart because I could have done it easily, But that doesn't make me right, right,

Like that That's the key here. We're trying to find truth and constantin kissing will sit there and very very nicely lit recording studio, and he sits there and he stares dead into the camera, and he talks very eloquently, and he wears a suit and his hair's done up, and it's just like it's all a delivery that is trying to ascribe legitimacy to his claims when the arguments aren't actually present, and the opposite is true for someone like Rogan or Dave Smith or myself. I'm sitting here

in a T shirt and a beanie. I don't have any lights on. I'm just ambient light from outside, and that's it. And I expect you to actually listen to what I have to say and decide if I'm right or wrong. And I think that that's that's a much more American way of analyzing these things, particularly after the media has proven itself to be disreputable. They've lied to us for decades, and they've gotten us into so many wars and I mean lockdown as a whole, I mean

everything they do. They basically led us into a near race war in the summer twenty twenty. So yeah, they have rightfully lost our trust. So what we're looking for is not honorifics. It's not credentials. It's not even wealth or evidence of success. You know, do you drive a Ferrari or whatever. It's honesty, sincerity, authenticity, Are you for real? Doesn't necessarily mean you're right, But that's kind of a prerequisite to being right, is that you're at least trying

to tell the truth. And I think that's what has made Dave Smith rise to such heights, and to such high heights so recently, is that he just it's so obvious that he's authentic in what he's what he's talking about. It doesn't mean he's right about everything, but as I said, that's the prerequisite to whether or not he's worth listening to. I think Brett Weinstein is a good example of this when it comes to the more credentialed academic version of

a Dave Smith. He's not gonna sit there in a T shirt necessarily, and he's not going to drop f bombs or or you know, make jokes very often, but

it's obvious that he's being his authentic self. He's very he's a very slow speaking, deep thinking guy, and he takes in new information and he contrasts it with his previous assumptions on a topic, and then he basically cross references the two and he says, Okay, I'm gonna drop these previous ideas that I was holding and pushing to my audience, and now I'm going to uplift these new ideas and I'm gonna kind of integrate them into my worldview. And I think that's all most people are asking for.

You don't have to drop f bombs, you don't have to you know, dress like a schlub either, But are you actually reconsidering new information as new information comes to light? And this good example of this was Brett Weinstein early on in the Lockdowns. Some people say that he supported the lockdowns. I didn't follow his show closely back then, but he did have some photos of him wearing a mask and big goggles. And he's been dragged mercilessly for that.

But don't I don't feel that way, particularly if you're doing it in the you know, late February early March timeframe, when Fauci and others were saying, you don't need these things, and for him to still be thinking critically and thinking freely and to kind of contrarian, but maybe right is to go, well, we don't know what this is, so I'm gonna take precautions. I don't have any problem with that.

And if you as new information comes out and you realize, oh, this isn't efficacious, well I'm gonna drop it and I'm gonna notify my audience. I think that this is this is all bad guidance that you're getting from HHS, fauci, et cetera. And he did that consistently for the past five years. And like, that's how you that's how you earn respect. It's not about credentials, it's about track record.

And Douglas Murray, as I've demonstrated so many times, I'm not going to recap it, but this guy has advocated every single war that we've been in, and they've all been disastrous. And like, I don't give a shit that you went to Oxford. I don't care that you wrote four or five books. You've been wrong about the biggest issues time and time and time again, to the detriment of my country. Why should I not hold you accountable for that? Well, on the inverse of that is, did

you get the biggest issues right? Brett Weinstein has, at least in recent memory. That's to his credit and he deserves despite the fact that, like I think, he also supported Andrew Yang, which I find to be insane and totally counter to my political worldview. I'm still going to forgive that because that's the difference of opinion. That's not so much being wrong on the issue as much as

having a different perspective on political solutions. He's more left leaning, he's going to advocate for more left leaning solutions, but he's still being honest, he's still seeking truth. And I won't talk out of school here, But after I posted something saying I'm left wondering if the IDW the Intellectual Dark Web, was subverted or if it was created from its inception to basically curtail the non interventionist right when

it comes to foreign policy. And a lot of people got upset with me about that, because you know, they're saying, well, these are all former lefties, like, how would they possibly curtel the right? Well, let me explain. These are still very influential figures, figures that became extraordinarily prominent largely because of their relationship to Joe Rogan and their continuous access

to enormous audiences for a four or five six year period. Yes, they're the moderate lefties, but they come over, they get this huge platform and they start to talk about this is this is the over This is the We don't agree with this Overton window. This is the new Overton window. But this Overton window includes within it Empire, It includes

within it our greatest ally and continuing foreign intervention. A lot of people got upset about it, as I said, but I'll tell you without disclosing anything that would you violate privacy. I got a text message from Brett Weinstein, and I'm not gonna say what he said to me, but let's just say he is also viewing what's happening

now and he's concerned by it. And instead of telling you what he talked to me about, I'm just gonna play you his clip because it basically gets to the point, and it's also public information, so I won't be talking out of school. Let's check it out.

You can't know ahead of time. The mechanism by which you come to understand what is true, Douglas is discussion. It is discussion in which nobody gets to set the rules about what kinds of opinions can be investigated. And yes, that does cause some garbage stuff to be said, But what reveals that it's garbage stuff? Free and open inquiry, that reveals that actually it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. That's how you do it. Constantine Kissin, I don't know

what's wrong with these people. It's really like somebody has figured out how to threaten them into saying things that they full well know aren't true. They're becoming what they were fighting against. They are becoming what they were fighting against. And I must say, in both of those cases, I feel like I don't think I was duped to begin with that they actually held free speech as a high value.

So the fact that they are backing away from it and calling for some kind of standard, self imposed or otherwise to prevent certain You know, the fact is, heterodoxy is heterodoxy, and it often sounds crazy, and most of it is. But the good stuff is the stuff that sounds crazy that then does strangely stand up to scrutiny. That's how you figure out what's coming is you look at the heterodox stuff and you figure out what has

predictive power. And you can't get around that. And the people who tried fail.

at least as best I can tell. And I think you know essentially what he conveyed in that message of Dark Dark Horse podcasts is you know what we talked about privately, and I think it's it's obviously just true. Like who were the heterodox thinkers back in twenty twenty one,

doctor Peter McCullough. You know, like some legitimate experts, but they were heterodots in that moment of kind of cult, just group think, psychosis, doctor Robert Malone, a bunch of guys that have been proven empirically to be far closer to the truth than the so called experts. And this is the value of the podcast sphere, and this is the value of the Jero Rogan podcast writ large, is that he enables large audiences to hear and consider what

are heterodox ideas when it matters most. And if you don't do that, well, then in my opinion, you're doing your audience a disservice, trusting that your audience will be intelligent enough to decipher truth from fiction or at least take in ideas, consider the and then do further research

to establish whether or not they are accurate. What's even more galling about this, though, is that Douglas Murray is sitting right across the table from this guy who he believes to be a smear merchant or a deceptive figure in Dave Smith, then just call him on the bullshit right then and there, lay it all out. You have an opportunity that Dave and I would just dream of to call you out in your bullshit, But you're sitting right there and you can't do it in real time.

Seems a little odd, doesn't it. So it's not as if it's not as if they're critiquing Rogan for having on Dave Smith by himself, which sure you could argue, well, he's only platforming people that have these crazy ideas he's never having on But that's not true either. He has on Douglas Murray. Just the week prior, he had on constantin Kissing, which by the way, has no credentials outside of what Dave Smith does. He's a stand up comic, So why should you be platformed Constantin? Shouldn't we only

listen to you when it comes to comedy. You talk about everything, you talk about the war in Ukraine. You've debated Dave on the war in Ukraine. But the truth is is that it's not about credentials. It's about gatekeeping and only permitting a certain narrative, and that certain narrative is obviously intervention on behalf of a country in the

Middle East. Time and time again. This is the tie that binds every single figure that has come out aggressively, including Michael Rappaport, who had this to say.

for facts. It's great for everything except for people that are disparaging week after week podcast after his podcast and not telling the truth and the reality of what has happened October seventh and beyond. So you bring on one scumbang after the next comeback and they said, well, I'm not an expert. I'm a comedian. I'm not an expert, but I know this. I'm not an expert on on Hitler, but blah blah blah blah blah. I'm not an expert on Churchill but blah blah blah blah blah. I'm not

an expert on the conflict in the Middle East. But here's all of my thoughts. I'm a comedian, but we're not gonna do any jokes. We're not gonna talk comedy. I'm just gonna expound.

Dave Smith repeatedly says, I'm not an expert. But the truth is, if you want to be really honest about it, Dave's about as close to an expert on that conflict as you'll find. Listen to the guy. He has read, I don't know, dozens of books on the issue. I'm not saying that that makes him an expert, but compared to the general public, he's damn close, damn close, And

compared to Douglas Murray, obviously closer. I mean, explain to me how Douglas Murray has been to Ukraine and been to Israel and yet he gets things wrong over and over again. Oh, Ukrainians are about to win this war. Just need to continue to give them aid. They'll be pushing the Russians out within months, weeks. Even it's a lie, it's a lie. So his his lived experience didn't amount

to shit. But that's not the point. It's not about credentials, it's not about expertise, about crafting and maintaining a narrative and an Overton window that leaves people like the non interventionist right wing out out of the conversation. We don't want a guy like Dave Smith having an audience of fifteen million people because it's damaging to what we want to see happen. That's all this is. That's all it is.

Because if it was just about challenging his bad ideas, you had the biggest opportunity in the world to do so you sat there with the guy for three hours. The fact that you got beat up is not Dave's fault, that's yours. You didn't bring any facts to offset like Rapaport, just keeps saying it's about facts. It's not just oh, sure, you can have an opinion, but no, when it comes to facts, Dave has the facts. People, he's not making

it up. You can disagree with his conclusion, but in terms of the facts that he's bringing leaked State Department cables and you know Smotrich and net and Yahoo and all of these other reporting from Israeli reporting, you know outlets. Sure argue that all of that's wrong or the conclusion is wrong, that's fine, but he's not making that stuff up. And you know the reason that you know that is because there is no hit piece is circulating that demonstrate

that Dave is lying. None try and find one. The clip that goes viral over and over again is just Dave hasn't been there, You've never been That's it. There's no breakdown, there's no challenging of actually the points that he brings up, which should be easy to do if he's such a liar, if he's such an idiot, but no one's done it because they can't because it's an impenetrable case. I just want to really emphasize that point. It's not about expertise or credentials. It's that Dave is

fucking right. He is right about this. And why does it matter that Dave Smith is right? Well, because his argumentation is convincing a lot of his buddies who are extraordinarily influential, like Tim Dillon, like Joe Rogan list goes on and on that maybe we shouldn't continue to stand shoulder to shoulder with the country as they destroy their neighbor.

to see where that line is. But also stand up comics value tremendously free speech. Of course, their career depends on it. They've also all dealt with censorship and blacklisting and deplatforming, threats and strikes and everything else. So they very much care about free speech. So when they see these laws or these deportation regimes that are focused on the words of protesters like that is obviously going to draw their ire. Whether they agree with the protests or not,

that's not the point. The point is do you have a right to speak freely? Now, this is a slightly different situation because we're largely talking about people that are either you know, immigrants are on green cards, is what most of the controversy is about, because so they're legally here. So if you're legally here, are you then protected by the constitution. There's some debate about that. I would say probably. So it seems to me that the problem is not

that Dave Smith is lying on a large platform. But Dave Smith is telling the truth on the biggest platform in the world, and he is reaching more and more influential guys who are going to spread this same message to their audience, and therefore sirens go off. Problem. Problem, problem, This has to stop. And as I open up the show with Russell Brand, he's pointing out that you're not

going to be able to get all of them. It's like, okay, so you take out Dave, well then you got Scott, and you got Tom, and you got Me and you got Dada. Or you take out Rogan, then you got Russell Brand, you got Aan Carroll, then you got that Dada Dada Jimmy Dore. I mean, there's so many people that are all basically in this world now, and they

all have such enormous audiences. Well, you can't really stop all of them unless you go full you know, tyrannical shut down the Internet style, I mean, which is impossibility unfortunately.

So the angle that they're taking is that they're going to try and increase the the pain if you get outside of this kind of forced Overton window where they say, sure have on people that Rogan's a great example of this too, because he has on Eddie Bravo and Sam Tripoli and they're talking wild shit, I mean talking fake moon landing and flat earth and all this other stuff. Jfkn every conspiracy you could possibly think of. They've talked about.

There's no controversy. No one talks about that. What are the two times? What are the two times that Rogan has been attempted to be canceled?

empire was established. World War two, the hagiography around it, the kind of flowery, pure good versus evil story that we're all supposed to just believe and espouse consistently, despite the fact that millions and millions and millions of people died, and it's obviously tragic and any war has complicated factors that you ought to consider, especially if you want to

avoid it. But if you actually question it, well then it kind of defeats the whole argument that every every dictator has to be stopped now lest we end up in another World war, because then you'd understand that, oh, it was actually the Allies were doing XYZ that was bad too, and this is actually much more complicated, and then in fact, Putin probably isn't going to roll across Europe. So like that foundational narrative matters a lot, which is

why they don't like Daryl Cooper. The reason they don't like Dave Smith is because one, and this is just the truth, he's Jewish. So it's really hard to call him an anti Semite. As he's saying, hey, maybe we don't need to continue to blow out our deficit and our national debt to defend and fight a bunch of wars for a country that is in America, and they're like, oh, normally we just call you a slur and then we move on. But both your parents are Jewish? You sure

one of them's not? No, no, they both are. Yeah, real problem, real fucking problem.

the headache. So this is kind of a soft power as opposed to a state based power where it actually becomes overtly censorious, where they actually are striking you down or banning your deplatforming you. And I think that's what we're witnessing. And the reason I feel that way is because my Twitter feed is just filled filled with Israeli Flagg, Dave Smith, idiot, Here's the Ugus, Murray God King, legend man,

and that's it. And they're like they're small accounts, but they've got huge activity, and it just looks like an optomy. As I've said before, can I prove it? No, I can't prove it. But I just once you've been in this world long enough, you sense when things aren't organic.

Give a good example, I was one of the first people that identified when there was a bunch of conservative influencers that were aggressively pushing that Coca Cola products, that soda beverages ought to be included in SNAP, which is the Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program I think is what the acronym stands for. And I'm like, wait, wait, your conservative influencers arguing like over what food stamps ought to be able to buy what. I'm like, you're damaging your reputation

with this. So something's up.

go back through history. There's plenty of examples, folks. So I rest my case. I think that there's an opera being ran, and I think that it's essentially a pressure campaign that's trying to turn down the volume on Dave Smith. Here's the beautiful thing. It's doing the exact opposite. This is striis and effect all day. And what's even better is it is now. As I said earlier, it has

distilled who's worth listening to. Should you take Sam Harris or Constantin Kissen or Douglas Murray or any of these guys seriously on really anything moving forward, Well that's for you to decide, but I'll tell you personally, I'm gonna take them with a grain of salt because I don't think that they're I don't think that they're sincere actors. I think that they are basically hired guns. Why should

I take them seriously moving forward? On the inverse of that, As I said, it distills who should be listened to as well, not just who shouldn't be And I think Brett Weinstein has risen to the occasion and he ought to grow in influence and grow an audience. And I think that's the beautiful thing about this entire ecosystem. And this is actually the beautiful thing about open dialogue and

debate is that it enables us as an audience. Because sure, I'm a podcaster, but I'm also a fan of podcasts and I listened to him tremendously, I like a lot is that this is what we as an audience ought to be doing. Is we ought to be actually checking the track record of the people that we listen to, and if they lead you astray time and time again, well then fucking stop listening to him. Like there's so many options. That's the cool thing about the free market.

That's the cool thing about a competitive marketplace of ideas. Who is best at this. The reason I'm like a lot of people think that, you know, I go hard in the paint and I defend Dave Smith because he's you know, he's helped my career or something, or because he's my friend. It's like, sure, that's certainly the friend part is true, because he's helped my career is not the reason. Just being honest, It's not like the reason I defend Dave so aggressively is because he's been right

about everything for a decade. That's why this is the same reason I like, I've never even met Joe Rogan, I still very much defended him when CNN was making his face jaundiced and saying he's on XYZ drugs and he's killing people with his mis and disinformation. I defended Joe Rogan not because it was gonna help my career.

I could have never even dreamt of being on his show at that time, not because he's my friend, but because I recognize value in what he does, because it's valuable to an audience to have open dialogue with sometimes contrarian or heterodox views that helped me distill the truth for myself before the expert class permits it to be known to the general public. And I've done that time and time again as a consequence of that. So, as I said, that's the main reason I go hard in

the paint for Dave Smith. Yes, I'm a loyal friend, and yes, I would defend him even if I thought he was wrong. I'd probably defend him, but not nearly as aggressively as I have been because he is fucking right. That's the reason I go hard in the pain. And that's the reason everybody that is a fan of day

Smith ought to be doing the same. And I know that sounds kind of like cult defend your guy thing, but like when you see an operation that's being ran by a bunch of bunch of very influential people, I mean, these are not like small timers. These are million follower accounts, hundreds of thousands of viewers and listeners and blah blah blah, and they're all besmirching his name and they're all not making an argument. They're all just lying. So I think

it's really important. Like we're in an information war, that's what this is. And they're also deploying bot networks and everything else, so it's like, yeah, let's let's show organic support for our guys. I do the same thing if they were coming after Scott Horton because he's right about everything, and yes he's also my friend. That's not the reason though, It's because he's right about everything, and the message matters and they're lying. So why shouldn't we engage in this?

Why shouldn't we get in the trenches like this is an information war? Fucking back up your people. You don't need to call for reinforce. I'm already there. And what did Tim Dillon say? He said, deporting them for criticizing a foreign government seems to feed into the conspiracy theories that the United States is doing things on the behest of Israel or at the behest of Israel. It's like we are Donald Trump is It's just the truth that doesn't It's not anti Semitic. Dave Smith would say it too.

Does that do you think that he hates himself as a consequence, No, he's just for real America first. That's it. So am I I could I can open up every single discussion about Israel and its influence in America, and I could start it by saying, love Jewish people. I do got no beef. Brett Weisign love him, Dave Smith, love him, lots lots of Jewish friends growing up too. I've got no beef. But I don't like having a

foreign country that influences my nation. And I don't like having a foreign country, whatever country it is that bankrupts my country or sacrifices tens of thousands of my fellows lives, I don't like it. Oh might I add I also don't like killing millions of innocent people. So I don't care what the religion of your fucking country is. I don't give a shit about that. What I care about

is the influence is creating evil. It's creating evil actions, and I want to stop it, and I have to talk about that honestly, or I should just hang it up. There's no reason to me for me to be doing this If I can't just tell you the truth, that's the truth. I want to stop doing that. And I have to acknowledge the catalyst for those misguided decisions. And

I don't think that it's a secret anymore. I've shown you the clips Natanya who talking to our Congress for decades, decades, Ron's days away and the reason I think that there's a grander op And I've already explained this in the prior episode. But now over the past twenty four hours there's been reports from I think it was MPR. I forget who was reporting on it, but they were saying that heg Seth is like they are looking for a

replacement for Pete Hegseth. Well, if the New York Times article is accurate, which I tend to believe it is because of the smear pieces that are coming out about Hegseth over the past twenty four to forty eight hours, is that heg Seth was one of the guys as a Secretary of Defense who's saying, let's not bomb the nuclear facilities. Let's let's give you know, negotiations and diplomacy

a chance. Suddenly within a week of that, there's a bunch of reports about how, oh he's you know, the signal chat and this and that, and he's been messaging the many strike strike details to his wife or his girlfriend or whatever. It's like, all right, maybe that's all true.

I don't even know obviously, how could I know. But if it is true that he's the one, he's one of the roadblocks to bombing Iran, well I'm gonna get his back because I don't really care about, you know, state secrets when it comes to a illegal, unconstitutional, undeclared war in Yemen, Like that's that's something that shouldn't be happening. So like, I'm not saying Hegset's my guy. I'm not saying he's anti war. I'm saying he's an ally in

this moment. If it's true that he's actually a roadblock to bombing Iran, well I'm gonna get his back because guess what, Trumpe ain't gonna replace him with a less war friendly guy. Right. Do you think that the media is circling the wagon? And it's not just been Heseth by the way it's been I think two or three of his assistants, his like high level assistance, have also been under investigation and getting kicked out too. So and

here's the crazy thing. It was Waltz, the security advisor, who's the one who put Goldberg the reporter in the original group chat where all of this information was transmitted. Why is Waltz not the one being kicked out? Why are the news organizations not pushing to see Waltz evicted? It's all about Hegseth. Well, guess what. According to the New York Times reporting, it was Waltz and Rubio who were like, bombs away, baby, and heck Seth was like,

I don't think so. And they're like, oh, well, guess what. Now, all of our you know, top notch investigative reporters aka propagandists over at WAPPO or New York Times are gonna, you know, sink you. So I think that's that's the real danger that we're facing. And just to show you that maybe I'm not a crazy person, here's another thing that Brett Weinstein said today. Hypothesis the US is being steered into war with Iran, a reboot of a plan from the nineties that was shelved when the Iraq quagmire

discredited the architects. For a reboot to work, the alternative media space must be controlled, hence the battle over Joe Rogan and standards Bingo. Now, I'll be the first to admit pure confirmation bias. That's my hypothesis. But I just like it when I see someone else, who I trust, who I respect, who I think has a you know, good analytical mind, come to the same kind of general hypothesis that I've come to. And I think that if you're, as I said in the prior episode, like I'm connecting

some dots here. This is not definitive, but I think we're all kind of sensing it like the war drums. They do be a beaten and suddenly there's this big cancel mob that's out to get someone like Dave Smith, who normally is dismissed. I mean, if you remember, Ben Shapiro would be talking about Dave without bringing him up. By the way, Douglas Murray went on Bill Maher, they talked about the debate, mentioned Joe Rogan a bunch of times,

never once mentioned Dave's name. So he's kind of like this Voldemort figure where everybody knows who he is, but no one wants to say his name, which I love because I'm like that they're talking about my friend. But it's just it's just indicative of how powerful what he's doing and what he has to say is, in my opinion,

because it's like they can't contend with his arguments. They sit there, they try, they fail, and then the only like respite that they get is to go on to corporate media outlets that Dave doesn't have access to and then to shit talking and they're like we win, just pat ourselves on the back. It's like, well, actually, within the fire, you couldn't contend. And I think that this is a much bigger trend the comedic world is what's now adopting this as a consequence, in my opinion in

port because of what Dave's doing. Listen to what Andrew Schultz had to said.

Wire is an arm of the Israeli propaganda machine. Flump is that are you manipulating the religious right in America so these two can take all their money and then in the process restricting free speech one of the core tenets of the American identity.

podcast world, like massively influential. And the reason that they're saying it, I don't think it's because it's increasingly popular, though Dave is certainly popularizing it, but because these guys are just truth tellers, Like they're just interested in the truth, and it just becomes obvious, like Ben Shapiro is a

gifted speaker. But when you espouse something and then you do something that's contradictory or you say something that's contradictory to some of the other foundational things that you've laid out, people start to notice it. They go, Hey, you sure you sure that you're like really right? Or die from America because I'm not getting that vibe from you, homeboy,

what are you talking about? And I think that's why Tim Dillon and Andrew Schultz All of these guys, by the way, are friends with Dave and Rogan, and it's like, this is a trend that they are very fucking disturbed by, And I don't blame them. If I was on that

side of the battle lines, i'd be disturbed too. But I personally am thrilled about it because this is the debate that we ought to be having, and honestly, we ought to be having it in what I think is a much more respectable fashion where you actually sit down and you actually debate someone like that or Scott Horton for that matter, Like they're not going to run away from it, so take them on. And even when Dave's not there, brogan saying stuff like.

But people have been in that world since the beginning of time. What they've done with us is they've sheltered us in such a way and then censored all the mainstream media in such a way that they completely control the narrative.

Dave and defend Rogan in this moment. Not that they need a ton of defense, because I think they'll be fine, but just to like be in the fight, be in the fight alongside them, and it's not you don't always have to debate, you don't always have to be serious. Just taking the piss out of these guys is kind of a good way to defeat them, which is what Rogan and Tim Dillon did yesterday.

failed on all accounts. And now you've got Tim Dillon, Rogan, a bunch of other people that are going to be taking the piss out of it. I mean, honestly, Douglas Murray is a well known figure, but I'm not sure that he will ever be better known for anything than.

Most of the people I know that have been to war have a very nuanced view of it, you know, and if you talk to military veterans, most of them, even if they went in you know, gung ho, and they come out still confident about what they did there, they still have a very different view from before and after. To a man, they all have a different perspective on what transpired, and a big percentage of them have a perspective that goes, yeah, I think we got lied to, man.

I think a bunch of that was a fucking lie. And I think that some of them also feel as if what they did was not a good thing. A lot of the Libertarians that are military veterans feel that way. So I know a lot of those people. I'm not just making it up. And I think Tim Dillon's point is well taken. That you know, Douglas Murray's been, He's

been to Godz, He's bean to Ukraine. But if you actually talk to the people on the front lines, the Ukrainian soldiers that are trying desperately not to get black bagged and thrown in a van and then put on the front line with a clock ticking as to how long they're going to exist on this earth, Yeah, it's a very different thing from the way Douglas Murray talks about it, and I think, as I've demonstrated in the prior episode, the reason for that is that he is

a paid propagandist. That's my opinion.

seen figures. I'm not going to name any names because I'm not trying to like burn Bridges, but people I know have been and talking to other people that I know right in front of me, have invited them to go to Israel to tour it. The obvious intention with that is that, well, you kind of get the Douglas Murray treatment. You go there. It's like all expenses paid,

You get to have the time of your life. They give you a very curated view of everything and then you come back and then when people start to ask you, like, how do you feel about Israel? Israel's fucking great man had an incredible vacation there. This is not to say that Israel is not a great place. Maybe it is. I haven't been, but there's an obvious influence and propaganda campaign that has been being ran for decades across Hollywood music industry and now the podcast world. And I'm talking

about podcasters. I just want to be very clear. These are podcasters that are basically advised or offered or gifted these trips to go there with the expectation that they're going to come back and they're going to give more favorable coverage to that country. And I don't know about you, but if if the CCP was hitting up Joe Rogan and saying, Hey, buddy, I want to bring you into Shanghai. I'm going to give you an all expenses paid trip.

We're gonna have a bunch of bunch of attractive ladies that'll meet you when you get off the plane, and we're gonna go to the clubs and we're gonna do this and that, and then yeah, just have a good one. You'd be like, why are you doing that?

and I think you should know that. So when you see guys that are talking out of what seems to contrast with some of their prior espouse beliefs, and then when it comes to that one country, they just go, oh, not that one though, There's a reason, and I think you ought to be paying attention to it and maybe changing your opinion on the people that don't speak to you honestly and in a consistent, logical fashion, because when you start to sense that someone is not being rational

and logical on every issue, when it comes to this one issue, there might be an underlying reason. And I've just told you what it is.

just good of our heart. I doubt that I saved it for the end, because I know most of you'll just shut the show off as soon as I start playing this. But Sam Harris had on Douglas Murray today and this is what they had to say. You know, Dave Smith's non expertise is a complete failure to appreciate the reality of jihadism and just what Israel is actually dealing with in Hamaz.

this is what they were doing tactically. So the fact that they then turn around and use this as a reason that we need to be as Islamophobic as possible is not rational, and it leaves out a very big factor which Dave would immediately fire at him if they were debating this issue right now, is that it's not to say that there is no evil that's done across the rest of the world that isn't a direct response

to the American Empire. That's obviously nonsense, but it's also nonsense to pretend as if there is no impact from American foreign policy. I mean, how many democratically elected leaders have been toppled by our intelligence community, if not our pentagon over the past fifty years. It's astronomical. It's like dozens and dozens and dozens. So yeah, there's a big impact. And if you're going to continue to topple people's leadership, at some point they're going to get really upset with

you and they might do fucking crazy stuff. So you have to include both sides of that. Yes, there is an organic ideology that I'm not fond of, and also there are actions that contribute to that ideology taking hold and growing.

belief or faith or cultural framework or anything else. It's not relevant to me. It might be relevant if your primary concern is Israel, then it might be relevant, but it ain't relevant to me. I'm an American and I'm far the fuck away from there, So why am I funding this? Right? But here's the part that really drives me nuts, And this is a consistent retort that libertarians, non inventionists broadly receive all the time, is that we are un American, that we are not fond of America,

that we hate America. Like couldn't be further from the truth. I love this country. I love the cultural framework, I love the ideologies that founded this country. I love the Constitution of the Bill of Rights. A lot of libertarians get mad at me for that because it's a you know, it's a dead document and it's not worth the fucking parchment it was written on. I get it, I get it, I get it. I'm just saying the ideas are beautiful, Like you have to acknowledge that those ideas are beautiful.

So I love this country. I'm just very very clear about that. What I don't love is some of the actions of my government. I love America, I love Americans. I don't love my government all the time. Rarely, in fact, almost never, and especially when it comes to foreign policy. It's been disastrous and it has devastated what I love

about America. The constant expenditures, blood and treasure that has gone into police the world and dominating the world has been to the detriment of the domestic population, to our cultural framework. So much of this that we lament when it comes to our cultural breakdown is a consequence of the warfare of the empire. Do you think that?

Europe before that. They are because you destroy their country. Dumb, dumb central banking. The inflation has made it so that we can't have have one parent staying home with their kids. It's hurt our opportunities and our chances of buying a home, starting a family, having a cohesive family unit, which creates kind of a foundational building block for a good cultural framework. All of this has been damaged not just for empire,

but by central banking. But the central banking is the prerequisite for the empire, and therefore they all tie into one another. Therefore, to oppose it is not to hate America, but to love it. In fact, I would argue the opposite that if you don't hate the empire, you probably don't really love America, or at least you don't understand

what is necessary for America to stay standing. You don't agree with me on this, that's fine, but I hope you'll reflect on the points I'm making that as a consequence of our empire building thirty seven almost thirty seven trillion in debt over a trillion in interest per year, that we're just burning with a federal government that spends only six to seven trillion, which by the way, is more than it takes in in taxes, So therefore there's

already deficit, and then we're going to expend another trillion on interest alone. At some point this becomes totally unsustainable and everything starts to collapse. So when people say, well, sure, the American Empire has some mistakes and missteps. But would you prefer that China control the world. What about Russia? It's like, no, that's not what I'm arguing. What I'm arguing is empire destroys your country. It does inevitably. Sure, for a time you get the knock on benefits of

having the reserve currency or whatever else. I'm not saying it's not without some benefit, but as a consequence of being the reserve currency, we've now exported our fiat currency abroad. Along with that, when our jobs, our industry, or quality of living, and then our cultural framework starts to degrade as a consequence of that. So if China wants to take that on, have at it, it'll be their demise too.

Russia wants to take it on, have at it, it'll be their device too, not to mention they don't have the capacity to do it, and also they've just watched

us destroy ourselves with that same paradigm. I think that the more logical answer to this is that hopefully some empire doesn't step into the void and be this militaristic empire that we've dealt with with America leading that way, but rather regional hedgemons, and while we're at it, Let's try and keep what made America special, free speech, ability to defend ourselves, property rights, all things that are being jeopardized as a consequence of being an empire and working

at the behest of a country that is not America, which is exactly what Douglas Murray espouses. And let me just finish by saying, it's going beyond words that a British guy who has no experience being an American. Have you ever been an American, Dougie? Have you ever been an American at all? Douglas, No, you haven't, so you're not an expert on being an American, so you can't tell me what being Unamerican is or anti West. Fuck you eat shit. I ended another episode with that. I'm sorry, God,

I gotta come up with a better catchphrase. I really don't like that guy. We're gonna get into regular news after this, I swear to God, But I really I think this is a very important moment in the fact that it's circulating around a debate that matters a lot. Does America first mean America first or second? That's what's really going down here. If you're going to be passing hate speech laws and doing all sorts of things to

the benefit of another country. Well, then expect pushback, and don't you dare lecture me about being Unamerican as a consequence of that. I believe in equal treatment under the law. That's not Unamerican. That is American. I believe in free speech. That's not Unamerican, it is American. I believe in non intervention. George Washington talked about entangling alliances. John Adams did the same, Samuel all of them, They all fucking said the same thing.

If you build an empire, you will not have a republic. Choose. I'm choosing the republic. That doesn't make me un American. How dare you? How dare you?

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They attack us because we're over there. I mean, what would we think if we were if other foreign countries were doing that to us.

who loathe their priggishness, their boringness, their bullyingness. They're endless rapidity and stupidity, their tendency to say that we have to educate themselves when they seem to have no knowledge at all. But it all comes down to one of the great gifts that Britain gave the world. The concept of liberty of speech is important not just because you need to know truthfully the widest possible array of argument, but because you need to be able to find out

if you yourself are in error. Clamp down on free speech, and you do not permit yourself the ability to find out when you're wrong. That's why free speech matters. Is one of Britain's great gifts to the world, and it's something that we should protect in this generation as much as those who went before us.