Ep 382 The Two Worlds Phenomenon

In fact, I'm sure it did, but it became incredibly obvious to me and probably to you, whether or not you've thought about this deeply on your own, or if this is just kind of a subconscious perk of thought that you've been dealing with, but I'm sure in your conversations with family members people at work, you've noticed that there is a distinct divide between our perceptions. This is not an original concept by me. I know other people have talked about it, but I've been calling it the

two worlds phenomenon. Other people call it like the two movies one screen. I think is what Scott says about Scott Adams. Whatever the phrase is that you want to put on it, I think that it's obviously happening, and I think there's a lot of reasons as to why.

But just to give you some examples, the reason I played that Trump clip to start us off is that when you watch the blood streaming down his face and him pumping his fist and surviving an assassination attempt, like, the obvious takeaway from most people is whether you like Trump or not, that was a pretty incredible moment, pretty heroic even, And I tend to believe that had Joe Biden done the same thing, or Barack Obama done the same thing, or Hillary Clinton or Kamala Harris or Bill Clinton,

I would have had the same reaction that like, Wow, what a courageous figure under fire to respond in that way. But a lot of people don't see it that way, you know, or they don't see it at all. And I think that that's actually the underlying driving force behind the two worlds phenomena is that our media system, or our ecosystem of media are so totally divided in that if you are a Trump supporter or if you're just

in the like independent media space. You've seen footage of that attack multiple times and his response in these edits that get speculated. But if you're a MSNBC viewer, you've probably seen it once on day of the attack and maybe never since then. And I think because of that, that's how you start to see the two worlds. Just to give you an example of what I'm talking about, safe and effective versus useless and or dangerous, right, I won't elaborate fautch she is a hero or he's a villain.

Jay six was an insurrection, an attempt to overthrow the government, or it was a protest that got out of hand. Russia invaded for no reason. I can't believe it. Why would they do such a terrible thing. And Ukraine is simply defending their democracy. It's as simple as that. And NATO is just lending assistance to an ally. Or it's not really any of our business and we probably ought to not be funding it.

seeing the polar opposite reactions is mind bending. It's only a twenty seven minute interview, and I'm not going to play you the entire interview because I don't want to pain you like that. I'm sure most of you have already seen it. If you haven't, you can go check it out on Fox News. It was bad, I mean zero substance. She's just in over her head. It's so obvious that she's not prepared, she's not equipped for this role.

To envision her struggling as much as she did with Brett Baer, and then to contrast that with her having to negotiate peace between I don't know Hamas's leadership, which I guess will be changing as the leader was taken out today or net Yahoo or Putin Orji or whatever foreign political leader. It's just like, she obviously can't do this job. And I think that that's what most people watching that interview take away from it, is like she

has nothing. She ran for president in twenty twenty, then was the vice president, and then again ran for president for the past two months, and yet she still can't come up with She still can't concoct anything aside from BA but Trump. That's it. That's all she's got. She's been essentially running against Donald Trump for five straight years and that's all she has. There's nothing material aside from I Am not Donald Trump. And here's the reason that

they're taking that tactic because it might work. Because people are so unbelievably propagandazed to believe that this guy is a fascist in waiting dictator at YadA YadA yah. It's gonna shudder and destroy and shred the constitution. That's all they need to hear. That's all they want to hear from many people, millions, tens of millions of people, that's all they want to hear. She's not Trump. She doesn't have to have any substance to her arguments or to

her counter arguments. She just has to not be him, and she tried to make that incredibly clear. Let's tell you a superclip of her doing exactly that. You'll get, I mean, without watching the entire twenty seven minute interview. This tells you just about all you need to know about how it went.

two worlds, but in fact there's three. Because as much as I more readily align myself with the MAGA world view, because I certainly don't align myself with the Democrat worldview, I think that the MAGA worldview also gets things wrong, a lot of things wrong. For instance, I don't think Donald Trump is our savior. I think that he is a preferable option to Kamala Harris, but again, that's an

extraordinarily low bar. I do think that basically what we've witnessed is because so many people have been lied to so consistently, and they're so polarized, oftentimes the nuance which happens to encompass the truth is left to the wayside. For example, is Fauci a hero or is he the devil? Well, because of this show and the deep dive I've done on him, you know where I lean. But here's a better example.

be honest. There were also a plane closed police officers that were in the crowd that day. We don't have direct answers as of yet as to how many FBI agents or informants were on the ground that day, but we do know that there was plain closed police officers that were shouting go into the Capitol or something to that effect. They were encouraging people to move ahead, which is not what you would want to see undercover law enforcement doing if their actual intention is to turn down

the temperature as opposed to turning it up. So you have the pipe bomber that we don't know who it was. We've got Grandma's and everybody else that was just anywhere in the perimeter that day serving hard jail time, not all of them, but a huge, huge number of them, like over a thousand, and then you have a guy who allegedly planted a bomb, and we don't know who

that is almost four years later, still no clue. If you think that's just an oversight, come on, they got everybody else, not that one guy.

I don't think it was that either. I think it was a genuine event in that there were tens of thousands of people that arrived in the Capitol that day to hear Donald Trump speak, and then a few thousand of them, I don't know the exact number marched over after Trump spoke, and he did tell them to march or protest peacefully and patriotically. They didn't, but they got there and there was a lot of provocation from the

Capitol police. There was flashbangs and things of that nature that were being shot at them when you already have a group of people who are protesting because they believe that the election wasn't legitimate, Well, if you don't want to antagonize them, right like, you'd like to see them protest peacefully and then go home, if that's your actual goal.

So a lot of people have concluded, given the all of the details of weirdness that I've already laid out with that day, that perhaps the goal was not to turn down the temperature, but in fact they wanted to have something that was not just damning against Donald Trump, but more broadly against his supporters.

that day. Like I talk to people about this all the time. I was just in DC to do in the Damn War's rally and the Rescue the West rally, and I can't tell you how many people were like, Clint, don't go, like they're gonna try and set you guys up. I appreciate the caution, and I'm totally aware of the risks here, but it's like, I'm an American and I have to be able to protest and if I see

anything weird at all, all bail out asap. But like, you can't live that way if we're already the point that we can't go out and literally peacefully protest, which is what we were doing, Like we're toast, We're totally screwed.

he's actually maybe completely evil. Yeah, he's totally egal all right. Uh, that's a good one. But uh, then the gray of Russia Ukraine for instance, also known as the truth, is that, in fact, the US State Department was provoking heavily for over a decade to make that war come to pass. So it's not enough to just say, well, we disagree

with the Democrats. Their their worldview is nuts. That oh just unprovoked invasion by Russia into Ukraine, and in fact it's just because he's a dictator and he wants to overthrow the democratic system of Ukraine, and you know, Ukraine is great and they ought to be out of to NATO and blah blah like. It's obviously detached from reality on so many levels. But it's also detached from reality to just say, even though it's okay to have this perspective,

but it is not. It is not a thorough analysis by any stretch of the imagination, to just say I don't think we should be involved, I don't think we should be funding it. Well, that's fine, it's fine to say that, and in fact I would prefer you say that, But the reality is we have been funding it for years, many many years prior to the invasion, and we've had CIA agents that were training Ukrainian defense forces on the

ground there long before Russia ever invaded. We had midn Revolution, you have Victoria Nolan, you have John McCain and Lindsey Graham on the ground talking about how we're going to take it to Russia next year. That was twenty eighteen. The invasion doesn't come for three years later. So obviously there's a lot to this story that the general public is not privy to. But the point is it's again

it's the in between where the truth lies. And unfortunately, yes it's often described as conspiracy theorizing, which I don't think it is. I think it's actually just analyzing and getting to the bottom of it. But my point is is that the two world's phenomenon does not encompass the truth in that regard. Again, I do think that the Trump Maga America first worldview is closer to the right answer,

but it's not all encompassing of what's actually transpiring. The sad thing, if you ever talked to any relatives about this stuff like try and I'm sure you do this already. But if you don't, if you've totally given up, try and talk to one of your relatives, your aunt, your mom, your dad, your grandma, whatever, and if they have different political perspectives from you, and ask them what they thought

about the Kamala Harrison interview. What's amazing is that a huge percentage of them, particularly if they are Democrats or Democrat voters, because they're mortified of Donald Trump, they will tell you a lot of them sincerely, that she did great, that she went into the lions Den, that she girl bossed, that she snapped back, that she stood her own, that Donald Trump is ducking a second debate with her. Well she's willing to go on Fox News. Do you know

how courageous that is? But here's here's the reality. Their bar of expectations have been so lowered by the propaganda that they've endured for years and years and years, that that's all it takes for them to be impressed. I mean, think about what they're coming out of. You have Joe Biden, who is a shell of himself, and he was never an impressive man to begin with, but let's be honest, over the past four years, he deteriorated significantly and very rapidly over the past year.

eyes from the bumbling dotard that is Joe Biden. It's breaking them, it's breaking their perception of reality that because they accept they accepted such a poor performance for so many years from Joe Biden, and they were told that they were good and moral and just for doing so.

you talk to them, they're not lying to you. I think that's the thing that's really hard for people to accept is that for most of them, they're so mentally broken that they honestly believe that Kamala Harris did pretty damn good or at least better than Joe And for them, that's a win because she did it talking to the demons over at Fox News. Again, this is another great example of the two worlds phenomenon. Trump Country thinks that MSNBC and CNN and all these news channels are evil

propaganda left as garbage. They're right, by the way, But then the left thinks that Fox News is that as well, and it's just like it's all in the bag for Trump, and it's that's it, that's all there is to it. It's just a propagandare here's the reality that's wrong.

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mental health professionals. I think it'll lead to a trauma in the workplace. I think there'll be some degree of one hundred percent serious, one hundred percent serious. I think they'll be alcoholism, they'll be broken marriages, they'll be Yeah, they think he's the worst person possible to be president.

And having won by the hand of Jim Comey and fluke in twenty sixteen and then performed in office for four years and denied who won the election last time, and January sixth, the fact that under a fair election America chose by the rules pre agreed to Donald Trump again. I think it will cause the biggest mental health crisis in the history of America.

with a couple hundred thousand worth of Facebook ads. Set that little tid bit aside that was enough to sway it, obviously, But then you have j six you have twenty twenty and his refusal to accept the outcome of the election, and basically insurrection and all of the narratives that I've already demonstrated how they are at least somewhat detached from reality, if not entirely detached. But his point is well taken.

In some ways, Tucker was feigning incredulity in that we already saw this when Trump won the first time in twenty sixteen. You had Beeoble jobed on their knees in tears, screaming out to the heavens. How could you have done this to me? Of course it's going to happen again if he wins. Of course Donald J.

react even more off kilter, even more just deranged. And the point I wanted to drive home is that, well, this is a product of the two worlds phenomenon that I think at its core, when people live in a way that is detached from the truth, it has a way of seeping into your mental health. It's a kind of a weird, bold claim, I guess, so I have to try and justify why. I think that there's something to be said for when you are living in the truth, when you are doing good things, when you are not

having to lie. I think there's a toll that is paid when you are living a life of deception. I mean, if you look at people who who do something evil, criminal or whatever, they hurt somebody, oftentimes they will spiral like this is a causation, correlation, causation, you know, argument. But oftentimes those people will end up as drug addicts. Fathers that leave their kids when they're young, for instance. Those guys usually don't go on to have great lives

right now. You could argue that they left their kids behind because they were just broken people to begin with, and I'm sure to a certain extent that's true. But I also think that there's something about just doing the wrong thing and then you are essentially emotionally destroyed over it for the remainder of your life, and that's why you end up being a drug addict or whatever else. Some people are sociopaths, they could just leave their kids

behind and they have no problem with it. Setting those people aside, I'm talking about more normal people that end up in that circumstance. So point being, I think that because of what I think are active measures, active psychological operations that are being ran against the American people. Thanks to the fact that during the NDAA Reauthorization twenty twelve and the Smith Modernization Act, it's now legal to propagandize

the American people. I think that because of those measures, along with the following year Barack Obama's executive order to mandate DEI departments across all federal agencies across the entire United States government, I think those two maneuvers have allowed for immense propaganda to be levied and way against the American people. And because of that, even though if you talk to an average Democrat voter or an MSNBC or a scene in viewer, they are fairly convinced they are

functioning with the truth. In fact, they are basically certain if they're talking to a Trump supporter in particular, they

could not be more certain. But there's just something about the truth and how it seeps into your orbit and if you are functioning under a barrage of lies, like if you actually are operating under a deceitful premise, there is cognitive dissonance that starts to arise within you, that it starts to torture you, that you realize that, like, look, i still believe the things I believe, but I'm seeing these things that are making me feel like maybe I've got some of this wrong.

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mental breakdown. Well Trump to them, they still have Like. This is the problem with the left broadly is that they don't extrapolate when they realize that some aspect of their propaganda narrative has been false. They don't extrapolate and then go, well, what else have I been believing?

He was the president for four years. We didn't have any wars, you know, the economy was a little bit that are functioning.

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I'm not sure there's long hair, but still kind of a more masculine voice, still masked up four years later, obviously just broken physically, emotionally, mentally, says that they hate the country and they intend to vote for Kamala Harris. Can they give you an achievement of hers? No, no they can't, not a one. But let's be honest, it doesn't really matter. It doesn't matter if she has any achievements. She's just not Trump, and for them it has become

their north star or south star, if you will. Whatever is away from the south star of Trump is obviously good. So therefore it does not matter what she has accomplished. But if you see that person like I just saw them, and you think about who they are deeply, yes, it's easy to have sympathy. But moreover, it's very easy to see that if after finally getting this four year reprieve of getting Donald Trump out of power, which should have

remedied everything in their lives. It didn't, obviously look at the video, but they get this four year break and then he gets back in. How how is that possible? That's all they're going to be thinking. They're gonna be like everything I have been told over the past eight years about how evil this guy is, that he's a Putin's puppet and he's a fascist, and he's gonna take away all of my rights, and he's gonna get us.

you guys are part of the third world. Not the third world as in like you shit in the streets, but like the third worldview that you guys are actually interested in the truth. You do tend to see the nuance in between the polar perspectives that a lot of people function under, that you're actually trying to get to the bottom of it as opposed to good team, bad team, like what's the truth? That for me, it's not about a team unless the team is called truth, Like that's

the team I'm on. I really really want to get to the truth of all these things.

at their core just genuinely interested in the truth. Even a lot of people I like they are still they're so in the bag for Trump that even though like I may agree with them more politically than I do Rachel Maddow or whatever, it's still very hard to take them seriously because I know if they read something that is damaging to Donald Trump, well they're not going to report on it, Or if they have a disagreement with one of his policy proposals, they ain't gonna say shit.

That's tough, and it makes you, as someone who's actually interested in the truth, I feel like you're going crazy that there's no one else out there that's actually looking for the truth, non partisan.

doesn't like the day to day. If you were to ask him, he's like, I don't know anything about that. He's a firefighter. He's gonna go put out fires. That's it. That's all he knows about. And I think like he's he's actually more reflective of the average American than I am. Like I'm the odd ball, So I'm not trying to make him or you know, degrade him at all.

You have to have a bit of a like defiant. People say it's a personality disorder. I don't think it is. I think it's just healthy. But like a defiant bone in your body, you have to be a very independent, minded, kind of courageous, honest, just willing to deal with the pain of having some Some people just stop talking to you, like you have to be okay with that. Some people aren't okay with that, Like they would rather just maintain all relationships and they're just gonna like they will lie,

they will lie to do that. And I think libertarians, more truth oriented conservatives, not the hardened to paint cultis, are like, yeah, I'm going to I'm going to lose some friends and family over my beliefs. It's crazy. It's crazy what we have to do. But you know, kudos to you guys. I think it's an important it's an important skill set. We need a hell of a lot more people like you and I And my hope is that because it does take courage, and I do genuinely

believe that courage is largely contagious. That if you get to a tipping point where it's so popular to be that that it will actually inspire those that are more libertarian minded but they are concerned with the ostracization, will realize that they actually have a larger community on the other side of the rainbow, so to speak, that it is worth taking that leap, that yes, you may lose some,

but you will gain more. And for those people, the less obstinate, I think that would be enough to persuade them to go all in. If you will, I do want to show you one clip from the interview, just to make a broader point.

at the end of the day, here's the truth. If seventy nine now that poll is probably wrong, I doubt that many people, but maybe said seventy nine percent of people pulled felt like the countries on the wrong track. At the end of the day, regardless of what propaganda you're being fed, a huge percentage of people when they go to that ballot box two week, twenty days, nineteen days from now, are are going to say to themselves, Look, I'm not a huge fan of Trump. I'm not a

huge fan of Kamala Harris. But here's the reality.

the outcome. And if you look at the betting markets, it's over sixty percent now I think it was sixty two point seven percent or something like that on the betting markets. Saan Trump's going to win. I think that's what we're looking at right now. I'd be very surprised if he loses it. And I think the reason is that ultimately reality will surpass narrative and propaganda.

me and got very upset. But setting them aside, I think this is actually an interesting thought experiment. And just for the record, I haven't come to a firm conclusion. I'm thinking this thing. I'm thinking this through as we go. But because I'm thinking that Donald Trump is likely to win, I think it's a good idea for us to kind of do a thought experiment and say, like, is he on the right track or should we be advocating strongly against this very heavy terror regime that he's pushing forward.

So here's one of his economic advisors explaining what they plan to do.

a sudden, I have one hundred percent taffs in America. Of course that they're going to come and negotiate, and their taffs are going to come down, and finally Ford and General Motors are going to be able to sell in these places.

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actually fight back. Enjoy Land of biltonk dot com. What a lot of libertarians don't give enough credence to is that there are, as he explained, immense tariffs that are already being levied by a ton of other foreign countries that make it so that our domestic economy cannot export to them. Now, do you think it's fair that we don't tear if any of the vehicles. I mean, we probably do to a very low level, but far and far less than the tariffs that they're charging domestic manufacturers

in America to export our products to them. Like obviously the playing field is totally out of whack China has. I mean, up until the Trump presidency, China was doing that extremely heavily. So I understand the counter arguments. I understand that if you levy tariffs in an effort to try and get them to reciprocally lower theirs, and they don't,

well then you're just in a trade war. And ultimately the cost is born by the consumer because all of those taxes that you're charging on these imported goods is just going to be passed on to the consumer.

will compete. Because here's the other variable. I don't think Austrian economists give enough credence to the reserve currency of the world and the fact that America is the number one consumer economy that every other country wants desperately to sell their goods into America, so we have a lot of leverage there. Additionally, because we are the reserve currency, we export our dollars to them.

in less industrial innovations. And certainly we have done that to a large extent with social media, big tech, all that. But at some point you have to consider the consequences of having not enough middle class, high paying or at least adequately paying jobs for your people to have a good lifestyle that also keeps them kind of like culturally bounded that they feel good about the trajectory of the country and their lives and their capacity to get ahead.

And just make it clear, I do understand these. The counter arguments to this is that, like, look, we would be far better off if we were to reduce taxes, reduce the regulatory environment, stop printing so much money so that we're not inflating our currency which makes it harder and harder for us to compete globally. I agree with

all of that. I'm just saying, as a band aid, does it make sense to try and negotiate a reciprocal reduction of the trade war which is at this junction being unilaterally waged against us and not retaliated upon whatsoever or very very minimally. And I think that's That's the question that I've been kind of mulling over, is like, for instance, don't I don't support having nuclear weapons. I think that having a government, any government, with nuclear weapons,

is extraordinary danger to humanity. But if you were to ask me, hey, Clint, would you support while we're in a proxy war with Rwrussia and kind of a cold war with China over Taiwan, et cetera, et cetera. Would you support unilateral nuclear disarmament just from the US side? And I thought about this a lot, and I think that the answer is probably no, And that may surprise you, but I still believe that not. It's not just the American government which is the danger to me. There are

other governments all over the world that are also bad. Right, And if we had no nukes, and we've been essentially fucking with these people for decades and decades, like under the current paradigm, would you just if you could hit a switch and make all of the nuclear weapons in

the American arsenals only inoperable, would you do so? I think that no, I wouldn't because I still would like to not die, right, And I think that that's essentially what Mesis and Rothbard and a bunch of bunch of other you know, economists that I really appreciate they have argued for. They have argued for unilateral financial nuke disarmament. That's what they've advocated for. Here's the counter argument for

Milton Friedman. He said in nineteen sixty two he made the case for unilateral free trade as the best and fastest path to economic prosperity. Given that we should move to free trade, how should we do so. The method that we have tried to adopt is reciprocal negotiation of tariff productions with other countries. This seems to me a wrong procedure. In the first place, it ensures a slow pace. He moves fastest, who moves alone. In the second place,

it fosters an erroneous view of the basic problem. It makes it to appear as if tariffs help the country imposing them but hurt other countries, as if when we reduce a tariff, we give up something good and should get something in return in the form of a reduction of the tariffs imposed by other countries. In truth, the situation is quite different. Our tariffs hurt us as well as other countries. We would be benefited by dispensing with

our tariffs even if other countries did not. We would of course be benefited even more if they reduced theirs, but our benefiting does not require that they reduce tariffs. Self interest coincid and do not conflict. I believe that it would be far better for us to move to free trade unilatterally as Britain to the nineteenth century when it repealed the Corn laws, we, as they did, would

experience an enormous ascension of political and economic power. We are a great nation that will behoove us to require reciprocal benefits from China, Mexico or Europe before we reduce the terify on products from those countries. I think it's interesting that he says it behooves us to require reciprocal benefits. It's like, well, then that's what I'm arguing, But he continues, Let us live up to our destiny and set the pace,

not be reluctant followers. A prompt but gradual program would be to legislate that all import quotas or other quantitative restrictions be raised by twenty percent a year until they are so highly become irrelevant and can be abandoned, and that all terroriffs be reduced by one tenth of the present level in each of the next ten years. There are a few measures we could take that would do more to promote the cause of freedom at home and abroad.

We could assume a consistent and principled stance by saying to the rest of the world we believe in freedom and intend to practice it. No one can force you to be free. That is your business. But we can offer you full cooperation on equal terms to all. Our market is open to you. Sell here what you can and wish to use the proceeds to buy what you wish. In this way, cooperation amongst individuals can be worldwide yet free.

Here's the problem, Milton, it didn't work out. I think that's the real issue here, right, is that in fact, these other countries did not stop tariffs. Well, yes, it has made our cost of living artificially low.

same way. And that's a bold claim to make, and I obviously can't prove it to you, but I wonder if some of them, seeing the consequences of the paradise that they advocated on behalf of if they would say to themselves, you know, all of those other things I detailed out, you know, lowering regulations and taxes and everything else, if that's not an option on offer, would they be okay with trying to use tariffs to negotiate all of

these massive tariffs that these foreign governments are levying. Would they think that that's a fair kind of middle ground in gain theory, to try and get them to lower their tariffs so that we could then export more of our domestic production to the rest of the world. And I think some of them might I do. I don't know. I don't know for sure, but I think it's an

interesting thought experiment and interesting argument. And I'm sorry this was much more wonky than you guys are probably accustomed to, and probably very lame for some of you, But I think for the more libertarian minded you guys may find it interesting. So I don't know what the answer is.

I just think that we're essentially having an economic war waged against US as is, and I believe in self defense, and therefore I think that it's probably prudent to try and leverage our purchasing capacity as the largest consumer market on the planet and to say, look, this is mutually assured destruction. Same, it's the same logic behind MAD when it comes to nuclear weapons. We don't want to tear iff you. I want to be very clear, I'm just

I'm pretending that I'm the negotiator. We do not want to, but you guys have been tariffing our industry into oblivion and it has made us impossible for us to export. We have gleefully purchased tens of thousands of your goods over the past fifty years. But all it has done because you're not being you're not reciprocating the kindness of having no tariffs. We're going to match whatever you levy on, whatever industry you levy it, we will match that. And

if you reduce it, we will. We will mirror your reduction, just across the board, every industry, across the board.

with it on a case by case basis. But at the current trajectory, it looks like we are hollowing out the middle class, we are destroying our industrial capacity, and we are being taken advantage of by the rest of the world, the rest of the world which does not

have the economic power that we do for now. And I feel like we are at some point in the not too distant future going to lose our position as the number one economy on Earth, and therefore we need to be making some maneuvers to kind of cushion that impact. And I think that this could serve as a cushion to try and buy us more time. That's my logic, that's my rationale. I'm sure I'm going to have a lot of people that discree with me ferociously on this,

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hang out, it's gonna be a blast. I absolutely had a phenomenal time we did the last one with Sam Tripley. This one's gonna be with Leonarda. She's one of the most canceled comics in the world right now, so you know it's gonna be raw and rambunctious and enjoyable. Also, so yeah, bro Grove dot com to find tickets for that. I hope to see a whole bunch of you guys there. And then, lastly, but not least, I was on the What Is Money Show or What Is Money Podcast with

Robert Breedlove. It was in person. I thought it was a fantastic interview. It's a full hour. If you guys want to check me out over there. It is called What Is Money? You can find it wherever your podcasts are sold.