Ford vs Chevy: The Ultimate Showdown at Nürburgring

Music. It's time to buckle up for this week's let's talk wheels with mike herzing and jeremy bierenbaum.

Well it looks like ford and chevy are in a battle again and it's gonna be a fast one i like that one got a big kia recall we're talking about today and would you buy a used car from amazon on people buying new cars for a while but looks like they're going to start selling used cars i don't know about that one we've got some great reviews today gmc terrain 84 off-road and the mustang gt premium it's fast and loud and it's awesome though we're

going to talk about a bunch of classic car questions something like what classic cars have a huge price a decrease this year and some counterfeit parts are problems we got a lot of stuff to talk about and it's gonna be fun so welcome to let's talk wheels folks your favorite auto show and i hope it stays your favorite and every week we're going to bring you automotive and power sports news interviews car reviews and classic car information but my co-host the awesome jeremy berenbaum based

right there in southern california how you doing buddy hey i'm doing good you know people ask me all the time would you buy a car from here and you know they name a company and i'll buy anywhere that gets me the best car for the best price. You know, you're exactly right. And, you know, Amazon's selling these certified used cars. It's a pretty cool deal. And it's actually through Hyundai. So we're going to talk about that in a minute.

It's got a great day. You know, you ever wonder, it's been a strange week out here, it's been hot and weather's been a little strange, kind of starting to get dry and things like that. It's typical August. You ever wonder, you ever think about your body's check engine lights on and you've just been ignoring it for years? Every time I wake up, Snap, crackle, pop. My knees hurt. My shoulders hurt.

You know, I'm like, oh, my God. I'm just getting worn out. I feel like a classic car that hadn't been taken care of. Oh, man, that's that's that's tough. And, you know, you got to get on that preventative maintenance like you and I, you know, I really should talk about. All right. Let's talk about us. Get some news and notes segment before we get too behind. Let's talk about that. GM and Ford fighting on the on the Nürburgring.

What's up with that, Jeremy? Yeah, this is serious and they're putting up some serious numbers. So, you know, Ford took their Mustang GTD to Nürburgring like, what was it, three months ago and put up a really respectable 652, I want to say.

That was their second go. 50 52 yeah 52 seconds around the whole track now corvette has their chance they just went out with the zr1 and the zr1x both those cars beat the gtd's numbers by about five six seconds and i think the coolest thing about it is the for one of the first people to comment jim farley says game on yeah he enjoys it he's a racer you know and what's wild is gm did this course it's 1250 horsepower on one of these things and they're expensive but so is the Mustang.

Yeah the Mustang's about 500 pounds heavier and just for context the ZR1 lapped it in 650 and the ZR1X did it in 649. Wow that is crazy Pep and and what's the guys driving it are not race car professional race car drivers they're engineers of course that doesn't mean they don't have experience racing. Yeah they must have experience racing to do those type of numbers on that type of track. Well, the Nurburgring is, you know, one of the fastest racetracks. It's also one of the most dangerous.

Yeah, no kidding. It really is. And it is the most dangerous. But that makes, you know, these vehicles are both now the fastest American cars ever on that track. Mm-hmm. Street cars. Isn't that crazy, isn't it? It really is. And it's cool. It harks back to, you know, 69, 70 during the muscle car races where we were really pushing the envelope. And for the first time, you know, both these manufacturers have, you know, their big, big ticket car.

Reminds me of the 60s and 70s. Back when, you know, Dodge would come out with a Challenger or a Charger, and then Ford would have the Mustang or the Torino. Back then, Torino was a bad boy, too. Let me tell you what. But especially with the 428 or even the 429s, Cobra Jets, and those were just awesome. But it's just good to see the companies battling again. I just wish they'd do it at Daytona instead of going to Germany, but oh, well, it's, it's, you know.

You know, Daytona is a different type of track for a different type of car. You know, you're on top speed. Everybody's a big, long track, too. It's a big, long track. And, you know, really, it's cool. These guys are pushing each other because that's kind of what we like to see in the industry. Yeah, no kidding. But it's really a wonderful thing to have both these guys doing this stuff. By the way, folks, if you just tuned in, Mike Herzing and Jeremy Bierenbaum.

This is Let's Talk Wheels. We're talking about some news and notes. Let's talk about a big Kia recall. They've got a trim piece that falls off. How about that? It could hit somebody. Kia and Hyundai combined for 300,000 cars being recalled. Both these cars are on the popular Telluride and K5. On the K5, we have a trim piece that becomes delaminated on the C-pillar, which is behind the passenger door, the rear door. And over time, it delaminates and can get loose from the molding and fly off

the car altogether. other. Okay. Folks, by the way, if you don't know what the C pillar is, A pillar is at the front of the car. It's where the windshield mounts, the big two beams that come up and make the roof. That's A pillar. The backside of the big metal beams that come up right behind the driver's window, that's B pillar. And the ones behind the second row, that seat, or that's the C pillar. Pretty kind of cool the way they do that. It's just, you know,

the way they're designed and stuff. And it works. And it's really kind of cool. So yeah, this thing is going to fly off and hit somebody and that makes it really bad. Let's talk about Amazon real quick. Would you buy a car from a used car from Amazon? You know, as I hinted earlier, as long as I'm getting what I feel is the best deal for the best car, then sure, I don't see why not. You know, but I think generally a lot of people feel like they get a deal when they haggle.

And I don't think there's any haggling involved in this. It's just click a button. What you see is what you get, which a lot of people are into nowadays. Yeah. You know, I mean, and you're buying it from, you're actually getting it from a dealer, from a Hyundai dealer. You basically, Hyundai's been, you know, they'll open up their new cars for Amazon. You know, it's kind of like buying through Costco or Sam's Club or AART or, you know, AAA kind of prices.

But yeah, right now, Hyundai has 150 locations, or excuse me, 130 locations across the U.S. That are providing cars that you can purchase on Amazon. Right now in the used car segment, it's just starting out in Los Angeles, but they plan to roll it out further. I think the coolest piece of information I got out of this is you get a three-day, 300-mile return policy. And you also have a 30-day, 1,000-mile limited warranty. So I'm not quite sure, you know, what that actually covers.

But, you know, it's kind of cool. Gives you a little bit of peace of mind. I just think those are just great vehicles. Everything a Hyundai builds is good. But you can go on the used car like you can buy Chevys and Fords, you know, because those are on the used car side of the Hyundai deal. Right. It's not just Hyundai cars. Right. So that makes it kind of nice. You know, I think it's a good thing. I mean, Amazons, those guys know how to make money and they know how to do the right thing.

And I wonder if you do want to return it, do you have to take it to the UPS store or Toll Coals or Whole Foods out here? Where do you take it? I don't know that, but they do have it set up so you can find cars closest to your house, which is nice. You're not looking across the country. Yeah, but I think if you wanted to watch the country, they could. It's good. Well, good luck with those. I mean, I think it's more.

I mean, of course, you've got to find a dealer in your city that wants to do this. And I'm sure Amazon's making good money off of it. So that dealer is going to have to realize, okay, whatever we buy to Amazon is going to be a little bit better price. We're not going to make quite as much profit, but they're going to sell more cars. So I think it's a good thing. Well, you also don't have like a salesman involved in the deal. Yeah, no kidding. I mean, it's really kind of a poor woman.

All right, guys. So coming up, we're going to have a lot of fun stuff. I've got a review of the GMC Terrain AT4, which is really a fun little VF hole. It's not really that little, but it's a good size. And it's the cousin of the Equinox, Shelby Equinox. And that's kind of fun. And then we've got a great interview coming up in our third segment with Ed Edwards. He's from Circuit Board Medics, the guys that can fix anything. So they're the place to send stuff. So we're going to talk about that.

So hang on. We've got a review coming up. We also answer a bunch of car questions, so hang on. We've got a busy day.

We'll be right back with more Let's Talk Wheels after this quick break. Music.

All wheels. Mike Kersing and Jeremy Berenbaum, this is our car review segment. And this week, I'm going to talk about the 2026. How about that? We're getting a lot of 2026 things like this. GMC Terrain AT4 all-wheel drive. Now, I know it's a lot of words, a lot of stuff to talk about. Fun thing. You know, it is a five-seat, I guess it would be compact SUV. It gets anywhere from 25 to 27 miles per gallon. You can get it in all-wheel drive or front-wheel drive.

It's gas engine. You know, it's not a hybrid or anything like that right now. And they sell it in the elevation front-wheel drive, the elevation all-wheel drive. And the AT4, which is their off-road, which is GMC's off-road brand. Great one. I know you've been looking for a Sierra, a Sierra AT4, haven't you, Jeremy? Yeah, you know, I've gone with the Denali the last two cars I've had, and there are some things I love about it.

And the AT4 is kind of new since I have gotten a car from GMC, and it speaks to me a little bit more. I know the ride is a little bit rougher, but visually it gets rid of all the chrome stuff with black accents, and I think I prefer that right now in my life. Yeah, but it also has all the skid plates and it's got the better suspension and better tires for off-roading and things like that. I mean, this is a wonderful—they also make it as a Denali, okay?

So basically it starts in the low 30s and you can get it loaded up to about 43 for the Denali. I can't think of anything more—and the only difference between Denali and the AT4 is AT4 is more off-road-ish, you know? Yeah, I think the AT4 still gets the nicer interior as well. Yeah. Yeah, it does. And they're both, you know, it's basically, this is an SUV that wants to be a truck. And it's a good one. I mean, it seats five people. You can fold the seats down and throw all kinds of stuff in there.

It's got a really nice center stack and the dash is really good looking. But it's just got, looks like it's got a big tablet in the center console. It's like they glued a big tablet there. It's easy to touch, you know, and the infotainment system is so good. But icons are easy to get to. It's easy to see. You can just reach over without really staring at it and hit that. Or if you want to, there's a lot of redundancy with buttons on the steering wheel.

And it's a nice way to do it. They even have the button, the rocker, which is on the back of the steering wheel to control the audio system. You know, you can change the stations. You can change the source. You can raise and lower the volume. You can do all kinds of wonderful stuff with it without taking your hands off the steering wheel, which is really kind of nice. But this has the added features of all the, you know, the off-road stuff.

Besides the suspension and the skid plates and the dull chrome kind of stuff like you, you'll like it better. Good looking wheels and stuff. But it also, it has all of the off-road apps and stuff and drive modes and stuff like that. So it makes it really, really nice. Now, it's got a 1.5 turbo, 1.5 liter turbo double overhead cam. It's really neat with an eight-speed transmission.

It could use a little bit more horsepower. I think if I bought one of these and I was off-roading it or driving it off, I would probably maybe tune in, put a tune on it. It'd give a little bit more low-end torque or stuff like that. But it's still got OnStar. It's got all the good features that GM wants. It's got all of the safety features and all the airbags that you would want, like Tare 12 airbags. And it has all of the OnStar stuff. And you can get all the adaptive cruise

control and all that stuff. And it makes it really nice. And, but it's a very premium, well-made luxury SUV, you know, and if you don't want that, you can go with the Chevy, the Equinox or something, but I just kind of like GMC a lot. What do you think? Well, what am I asking you for? You own two, you've owned two or three of them.

I love the GMC brand. I will say if you're looking, you know, if, if you're looking for an off-roader and that's why you're going for the AT4 package, I think there's some better cars that do it, a little better off-roading. But if you want a good fit. This is a good compromise. Yeah, if you want a good compromise that's still going to ride really nice but has some off-road chops, then this is a car you should definitely consider.

Well, people start blocking the road like they've been doing in L.A. You could just drive over them. Yeah, definitely. If they were in Texas, we would drive over them. Florida, they absolutely would drive over them. but I mean, this would be a good thing, but it's got all of the safety features. So don't have to worry about that. It's got the power seats, heated and cooled seats. It's got dual zone automatic climate control.

Really, it's just a nice car. The base on this one is 38.6 and then it had a technology package, which is the rear camera mirror, which is one of my favorite things and rear pedestrian alert, HD high definition surround, vision cameras and traffic sign recognition all that and and that's another 850 bucks and then it's this one's called riverstone metallic color that's another 500 ebony twilight metallic roof another 500 bucks and a floor liner package which is basically

something like weather tech is in it and that's another three and a quarter so basically after shipping and all and destination It's a little over $43,000 and it's about the right price. I mean, but, but would you want this or a Bronco sport? Hmm.

This is nice, you know. I think this is more comfortable and drives a little bit better on the road. But I mean, it's just a wonderful vehicle. I really like the design that GM has gotten on this car. You know, it's been around for a while. It's really evolved into a much better looking car than when it first started out. It's really sharp, especially in the dark colors, which I'm a white guy, but in the dark colors, especially black, this car looks so good.

Yeah. Yeah, but as scholars said, blind zone steering assist, rear parking assist, reverse automatic braking, reverse cross traffic. I mean, like I said, it's got more stuff like that. I highly recommend you go to your GMC dealer and say, show me a terrain. And if you need something bigger, you know, look at the Acadia. I mean, that's a wonderful vehicle, just a little bit bigger, you know. And this is great. I mean, this is. There you go. And they're very reliable.

GMC is building some really good stuff right now. So kudos to them. Let's answer a quick car question. Alvin asks about outrageous cars. The Hellcat and the ZR1 have been called too powerful for public road. Well, what cars in the 60s were the same way? You know, a lot of the Dodges. I know that one of them that was really obscene was, what was the one that you were talking about earlier? The Nova? The Yanko Nova? The Yanko Nova. You know, one of my favorites has got to be

the Boss 429 Mustang. Oh, yeah. Crazy horsepower. But a lot of them, I mean, that was a good car. But I mean, you know, that's really, yeah, they're really good. I have to admit. By the way, folks, if you just tuned in, Mike Herzing and Jeremy Bierenbaum, we're talking about crazy cars from the 60s. But I remember the Dodge Dart, man. They had those, those were crazy fast, right?

They were crazy fast and they had a lot of different cars. Dodge especially had cars that were really set up for racing. You know, like their max wedge engines that didn't have AC, didn't have power steering.

You know it was set up to go straight yeah drag right and you know what and the people loved them for it and that's why they bought them because they were just crazy fast yeah you know the the one issue you have is almost borderline dangerous borderline dangerous but you couldn't daily drive them with the compression that they have and and you know overheating issues they're meant to go fast for a short period of time yeah the boy that they do a good job then you've got the 429,

the Torinos and stuff like that. So, I mean, they've got some crazy cars out there that, and I'm sure people wrapped them around telephone poles and ended up in ditches that flipped upside down on fire just because they didn't know how to handle all that with horsepower. But then again, is a hell cut that much? The Viper was really bad. So we're going to talk about that stuff more. All right, so coming up, we're going to talk to Ed Edwards, super nice guy, circuit board medics.

This is an interview you want to hear. This is not just on car parts.

This is everything. So hang on, for more Let's Talk Wheels after this quick race. Music. Welcome back to Let's Talk Wheels. Mike Rosing and Jeremy Berrybaum, as we talked about earlier in the show, we have one of our favorite people, Ed Edwards. Circuit Board Medics, great company. They've done repairs for me and several people that I know. Everybody loves them. Ed Edwards, welcome back, buddy. It's good to be here, Mike. It's always a fun conversation, always a good time to talk to you.

Well, anybody that rides motorcycles like Jeremy and I do, it's always a fun time to do. You know, it's not a very good time of year for us, But, you know, we got it coming up. Ed, what's going on with you guys? You've been working on a bunch of stuff for UTVs and a bunch of different products. Tell us about it. We have been. You mentioned motorcycles. And, you know, it's always fun to work on things you have fun with.

So we've been working on some off-road things this quarter. It's been a blast to test, you know, some things for Can-Am, some things for Polaris UTVs. And we get to put a little bit of that to the test. I was just sharing with you right before we started recording that my son and I are going to get to go up to the Hatfield-McCoy trail system up in West Virginia in a few weeks and put some things through the ringer and make sure we got a good product in our hands.

That's really cool. How do you guys pick and choose, you know, where you start? You know, like what boards you work on? Yeah. You know... We are definitely a data-driven company, and a lot of that data comes from customers, existing customers, calling us saying, hey, I'm having problems with something that you don't currently do. We even have, you know, people cold calling us just because they've heard of our brand, they've heard of the type of work we do.

And we keep up with everything that we say no to, and we review that monthly. So we have what we call a no list. And as soon as things really start surfacing with frequency on that no list, we look into that a little bit further. But the vast majority of what we are developing and launching comes from our existing customer base right now, because they know what we're capable of.

They know how many rabbits we pulled out of hats for them in the past, how many miracles we've kind of worked for them. So they bring us some good, fun, hard things to work on. And that's one of our sayings here is fun is doing hard things well. You know, that's pretty cool. You know, we here are Let's Talk Wheels, and, you know, we like to talk about cars, motorcycles, you know, anything that moves.

But a couple months ago, right after Mike interviewed you, I was mentioning to him that the board on my washing machine was out. And he was the first to say, call Circuit Board Medics. I talked to you guys. You knew exactly what board it was and had it fixed and sent back to me within, like, two days. So I'm glad I got to experience that as well from the non-automobile side. Yeah, and I think it's a key point that because we serve other industries, I mean, automotive is fun.

You know, we all like automotive things, but because we serve so many different industries, we get to kind of learn the best practices. What do they do well in the appliance world? What do they do well in the aviation world? What do they do well in the industrial world? And, you know, for us, just tearing into the common denominator there is the circuit board. And it gives us a change of pace as well. It keeps things interesting.

Folks, if you just tuned in, we're talking to Ed Edwards from the company called Circuit Board Medics. If it's got a circuit board, there's a good chance they can fix it. Can't promise. But like he just said, if you get enough problems with something, they're going to look at it and find a way. I mean, for example, I have a 2008 F-150. I bought it. It's great. And then all of a sudden one day I drive it. It's at the lake house. So it's a farm truck.

And we have a tree farm and stuff. So we're grabbing stuff out of the mud. I don't drive a thousand miles a year, but they're tough miles. But true enough, on the dash, it says brake, brake lights on. Well, I checked the float and it's not brake lights. I checked the switch for the parking brake and I went, it's not weird. That's really not. Of course, technically it shouldn't pass state inspection, but it did because it's East Texas and nobody looks.

It's kind of like being in Greenville, you know, around in there. They just kind of let it go. And they, oh, you ought to get that fixed. Well, it's, I look it up and I go online, which is the one thing it says you can't buy them. You know, if the parts aren't available and it's a circuit board for the dash. I got hold of you. I met you guys at SEMA and sure enough, I mentioned it. You went, shh, we do those every day. I mean, come on, come up with something harder.

And sure enough, I sent it to you. It was less than, it was just a couple. I sent it to you on a Monday. By Friday, I had it back. I mean, come on guys. It can't get any better than that. It's fixed. It works perfect on a park that's not available. So that's where you guys save so much money. I mean, first classic cars and stuff. I mean, some of those dashes and stuff, the early electronic dashes. Oh, what a nightmare. And there's a good chance that you can fix that, right?

Absolutely. Yeah. And that's the thing is that we also get you involved with that. And for the time that it did take you to take that out and put it back in, you know what you've gotten at that point. And at the end of the day, you probably have less than that entire repair, excluding your time. then it would have cost to get a diagnostic done at the dealership.

Yeah, you're exactly right. Yeah, no, and you know, you guys saved me because not only do you have the means to fix the product, but you also kind of have a step-by-step guide how to get that circuit board out, how to, you know, get to the location of where it's at, which is huge for someone like Mike or I, who, you know, Mike's a little bit more knowledgeable than I am, but I don't work in the industry. I don't take apart these cars every day.

I know the piece that's wrong, but getting to it, getting it out is just as much a task. and you guys really helped. To get to that. And then secondly, you know, I talked to some very knowledgeable people about an issue I had on my car that worked for you, and they sent me some service bulletins. They said, we can't help you. It doesn't seem like it's a circuit board issue, but here's some service bulletins we found. Maybe try reading through those to see if that'll help. Yeah, absolutely.

One of our core values is restoration, and our vision statement is care, serve, and restore. The big part of that restoration is that we want to restore normalcy that circuit boards robbed from you. But even if we figure out that it's not a circuit board, we want to help you find a solution. We want you to reach a resolution. We're not done until you've solved the problem at hand. Yeah, and there aren't many companies that are willing to take it the next step or the next three steps.

Once they say, hey, we don't have a product for you, I'm sorry, we can't help you. But you guys really seem to get in and make my problem your problem, which is really cool. Yeah, we want to make it easy for you. and we want to make you look like a hero because you might, you know, fixing that washing machine hopefully got you a little bit of credibility at home as well, you know? Yeah, exactly. And I didn't have to go out and buy a new washing machine, so it kept my wife happy.

Yeah. Yeah, you definitely want to do that. Folks, Mike Rosing, Jeremy Virenbaum, let's talk wheels. We're talking to Ed Edwards from a company called Circuit Board Medics. Great company. If you've got a circuit board with a problem, I don't care if they make the parts anymore or not, Send it to them and they'll help you out. Yeah, it's funny. I know of a shop that's got a really nice tire machine and it needs a circuit board. It's got a circuit board problem.

And it's one of the first electronic time. And it's a very, you know, it's $15,000. Parts aren't available. The thing is only 10 years old. But they don't use it that much. But now they're just not using it at all. And I was like, guys, get a hold of these people. They can probably fix it. I talked to somebody earlier with a 2013 Ram 1500. And he's got an anti-lock brake module problem. There aren't any available. You just can't buy them.

So you just drive without anti-lock brakes. But I said, you know, check with these guys. And you said that you're working on a fixed port because there's a lot of them that need it. Isn't that funny? Absolutely. And, you know, the funny thing is, like, we do, we keep running into more and more issues that are just ancillary issues. What I mean by that is we do a lot of work on the old 98 to 02 Dodge Rams with a Cummins engine in it.

You know, old VP44 fuel pump. The ones that nobody wants to sell, kind of like a 734. I mean, people hunt those things down and they never sell them. But the guys that are rebuilding the VP44s are running Bosch test stands and these Bosch test stands fail and Bosch doesn't support them any longer. So we're rebuilding the circuit boards for the test stands as well. You know, it just runs into all kinds of different things that we can fix there.

So, yeah, you know, you definitely want to check out what we do. Our website is growing constantly. We have a lot of standard offerings on our website. If it's listed there, we commit to a very fast turnaround. It means we stock all the parts. If it's not listed there, hit get a quote at the top of the website. Send us what you have. Let us look at it. If there's any way we can help you, we will, even if it's just with free information sometimes.

What's the guy's website again? The website is circuitboardmedics.com. You can also find us on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, some of those social platforms, or just call us anytime. You can even chat with us on our 1-800 number at 1-800-547-2049. Guys, we haven't even touched the tip of what these guys do. If you have any issue, reach out. I implore you. All I'll get right now is 50 emails about asking me questions about you guys. So it's great.

Ed, thank you for joining us today. Always, always a pleasure having you on. Yeah, we'll see you guys out of CIMA and Apex this year, hopefully.

All right. Folks, coming up next, we're going to have more reviews and some more fun stuff. We'll be right back with more Let's Talk Wheels. Music. Our car review segment. I'm going to knock out a little car review, and we're going to talk about a Mustang. I had driven a new Mustang, and I got the GT, and of course, Mustangs are anywhere from $33,000 to, I don't know, if you go to the GTD, it's $350,000. I mean, they make it everything.

This one is the one I wouldn't, I don't know that I'd want to buy a four-cylinder Mustang. I think I would be, that's a little bit, you know, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, some people have, How do I get it? But, you know, you and I are looking at it as, you know, a fun second car or a little bit of performance variant. You at least got to go with the GT and the V8. Well, they sell this as an EcoBoost, which is the base model, a little over $33,000. They make an EcoBoost premium.

Then they make the EcoBoost convertible. Then they make the EcoBoost premium convertible, which is just loaded with more heated and cooled seats and that kind of stuff. Then they make the GT. And they make the GT premium, which is mine had all the goodies in it. Then they make the GT premium convertible. You got to have a convertible. Now, when you get into the race, semi race cars, they sell the dark horse and the dark horse premium coupe.

So then you get into, that's not even the GTD, Gran Turismo Daytona. So that one is even more expensive, but basically they sell the Mustang that you need. Okay. You could build one and price them. And there's just. They're the original pony car. They really are from the 60s. Everybody tried to copy them. But this one here comes basically, the model I had comes with a manual transmission. You have to add extra to get an automatic, which is what Ford sent me was the automatic.

So the base price on this, let's see, was $47,000 for this one. And it has a five liter, 480 horsepower V8 with a 10 speed transmission, an active exhaust. You want the active exhaust. I got this thing and it was so loud. When you go to crank it up in the morning, all of my neighbors were just kind of looking at me at seven o'clock in the morning or six in the morning because it revs up real high. If I did it inside the garage, it would just, it echoes too crazy.

Now you can push this button and shut, make the exhaust sound like you're driving a little V6, you know, minivan, or you can make it sounds like you're driving a race car. Everything in between. And that's a really nice feature, especially when you might see that highway patrol or something. You just twist that knob, push that button, active as it's off, quiet it up, and you don't stand out like a sore thumb as well.

Yeah. This one also had the Ford Copilot 360, which is their semi-autonomous driving. And that's kind of nice. Everybody has their own version of it. This one had Premier trim color accents and things like that. That was an extra $3,000, $2,900. And then mine was all the vapor blue metallic with a B&O sound system with 12 speakers, which, to be honest with you, I didn't hardly turn on the radio. I was listening to the exhaust. It sounds too good.

I mean, this thing is, I'm driving this thing, and all these people come up to me. It looks like it's a race car. It drives like a race car. This one had these big 255 or in the front 40, 19, 19-inch tires and wheels, 275, 40, 19 in the rear, those huge rear tires on it. And then it also had the Brimbo brakes that are 19-inch rotors. So, I mean, I'm looking at that. I don't see any distance between the wheel and the rotor. I mean, barely, there's only like an inch. Yeah, they're big rotors.

They take up the whole rim. I know. You look at these pickup trucks and you see these little disc brakes in there. It looks like a toy. Then you see this thing with these ginormous brakes. But I say what? And these tires are so wide that I know this thing's probably got 8,000 miles on it. The tires are mostly, they're probably two thirds gone. Yeah, because all you journalists are just hooting and hollering and ripping this bad boy up. And you know what? It's fun.

And you guys enjoy it. And that's what this car is 100% about. Yeah, this is the last V8-powered domestic pony car around. This is it. Everybody is gone. Now, they might bring the Camaro back, and they actually are going to bring the Charger back. But, you know, this came in as a 64. It was a 65 model in 1964. The spirit of the Mustang is still strong. You got somebody like Jim Farley that wants to race them and who's president of the company.

And then I really I really appreciate that they kept it, you know, a big V8 and naturally aspirated, because I think that is what is the soul of the Mustang. And they've never really you know, they got some superchargers on the higher end ones and whatnot. But it has always been a V8, you know, a big V8, and they're not going, you know, Ford has a great 3.6 liter twin turbo that they put in so many cars, which could just be great in this car as well. But I love that.

Could have easily done that, yeah. The soul of this car is a V8, and it has to say like that. Well, you know, the Mustang Dark Horse is 500 horsepower. I think the GTD is 800 and something. That's supercharged. This one's 480, and even the four-cylinder model, no offense, if you want the four-cylinder, you just want to, okay, I don't need that. It's still 315 horsepower in a little bitty car. So, I mean, you know, you can get in just as much trouble with those as you can with these.

Problem is, everybody pulls up next to you, and they want to either. They give you the thumbs up, or they want to race you. And I had a Hellcat come by, and it was like revving up against me, and all of a sudden, I'm like, nah. My cousin has a challenger, same thing. He says, you know, once a week, someone's pulling up on him, trying to race him. He's like, I'm just going to work, buddy. Yeah, I know this is a seventh generation Mustang.

It's really kind of cool. So in this year they had the anniversary edition 60 years and it's really nice. I mean, if you want to, I actually, my favorite vehicle would be the convertible, not the, not the coupe. But there's so many neat things that it has. It really is nice. Did you get a chance to mess with the digital instrument cluster? Because you can set the instrument cluster to different styles from other Mustangs. You can make it look exactly like a 65 Mustangs Dash.

I mean, it's really kind of cool. It has a nice center console. It has a nice screen. Not too big. Not too small. It's got the sync system. But like I said, this one will drive for you and steer for you. And I was getting 85. I mean, I was getting 28 miles to a gallon in it. But it says here you get 24 on the highway. I was getting 28, but I was only doing like 70, 75. But it drives good. It handles good. It's going to hold its value.

I mean, this is really a nice vehicle. I love all the drive modes. You know, it has all these different drive modes, including a track mode. And all the apps and stuff for track and launch control. And all these things are available for this car. I mean, you want to make it a race car, it's fine. You just want to have a badass V8, that's fine. You want a car to drive back and forth? Does it work? This will work for that too.

So I think it's a wonderful vehicle to get, and I don't think it'll really lose its value. No, I don't think so as well. I'm a force owner, Mike, drop in value, but the V8, this thing would be a classic. This is an instant classic. I think the sweet spot on this car is the GT. You don't have to go premium, but the performance package is definitely where you want to be. Gives you the 19-inch big wheels, Brembo calipers, and my favorite part.

Yeah, it's like $5,000 less. Yeah, and you get the 373-geared Torsen differential, which is definitely the sportier rear end. Yeah, I mean, this is a great vehicle. So check out the Mustang from your friends at Ford. I would highly recommend it because they're really nice. But the $12.29 for the active exhaust is well worth it. All right, let's answer a quick car question.

Yeah. This car question asks, what do we think in terms of four classic cars that have massive price drops this year? You know, there was. They were asking me basically, look, what's going to be a better deal? There was an article. On believe it or not go banking that they were talking about they're predicting that the mercury cyclone is going to get cheaper right now the price is dropping about 15 on the recent auctions.

What do you think about that mercury cyclones it's one of those cars you when you ask people i want to get a classic car the cyclone is rarely comes up you know decent car but it just doesn't stand out with what people are desiring nowadays no and how about a 944 porsche from the 80s yeah you know porsche's got some love in their smaller cars that don't start with a 911 but yeah you know the 944 is this was water cooled right that was the regular it wasn't your typical

rear engine porsche and water you know air cool these you know flat six right exactly Exactly. It's a front engine car, even though it's got really good weight balance because the engine is behind the front axle. Oh, it's a great car. It's just not normally something Porsche comes up with. As always, folks, thank you for joining us today, and we hope you do it again. I really would appreciate it.

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to us again. So hang on. We have a quick review from our other reporter, Matt Peralta. Music.

All right, guys, this week I was driving a 2025 Genesis G90 3.5T ESC trim level, all-wheel drive, top-of-the-line luxury. For the Moroni that they gave me, they did not list the price of this vehicle, but we can assume this is a $100,000 vehicle or higher. This is a gorgeous ride. It is an absolute stunner. It's gorgeous. To look at. It is incredible to sit in.

It is a wonderful driving experience from the grill to the infotainment, to the number of bells and whistles that you get in this vehicle. It's truly a joy to drive this vehicle. It's a 3.5 liter V6 twin turbo, 375 standard engine that comes with an optional electric supercharger and my hat it, it absolutely flies. I mean, this is a driver's car. Eight-speed automatic transmission, it flies. Multi-chamber air suspension, you feel like you're riding on a cloud.

But here's the thing. Genesis doesn't carry the same cache. Resale value, or bang, pop, whatever you want to call it, as other luxury brands, as other imports, as a BMW, as a Mercedes. I was talking to somebody who's in the market to buy a new Audi, and I asked her about the Genesis line. And I told her, what about a G90? Or what about even an SUV from Genesis. And it just doesn't move the needle for some people, at least not yet. I think it will eventually.

I think Genesis is trying a really hard, you know, trying hard to change people's opinion when you have a 3.5 liter twin turbo V6 engine with the E supercharger and you put someone behind the wheel and say, drive this and then go and compare the prices for what you're going to pay for a Genesis versus what you're going to pay for a Mercedes or what you're going to pay for, you know, an Audi A8 or a Mercedes-Benz S-Class.

I mean, you're going to pay a lot. BMW 7 Series and all those types of vehicles, $120,000, $130,000. You're going to get this thing for about $30,000 less. And for that, I love this vehicle. I mean, I tell people all the time about how much fun these things are to drive. My daughter loves the backseat. And I mean that this car is designed to have a driver. Okay. You've got the ability to put your feet up in the backseat. You have full control of everything in the infotainment from the backseat.

You can control everything. The Napa leather seating surfaces is gorgeous to sit in. It's so comfortable for long rides. You've got your heated and ventilated front and rear seats. Living in Las Vegas, that is tremendous. You have a three-zone climate control system, which can make sure everyone can feel comfortable in the vehicle. The panoramic sunroof is huge. The power doors is unique, okay? You have a button to close the door.

You don't need to touch and close the door. It will do it by itself by touching a button. It takes a little bit to get used to that. But then once you get used to it, it's pretty cool. It's pretty fun to open and close the doors that way, which is a little push of the button and it pops open or close it. The power sunshade for someone who lives in Vegas, the ability to have a power rear and side sunshades up and down, and that's controlled by you in the driver's

side is awesome. That is absolutely awesome. Keeps the car cool. It's really nice. Heads-up display is big. It displays a ton of information from a driver perspective. You never have to have your eyes leave the road, which is awesome as well. 12.3-inch HD screen with navigation. I mean, there's so much you can do inside of this vehicle. And the premium audio, the Bang & Olufsen system is crystal clear.

And you can change it to have so many different settings. It's a really cool setting to make it sound like they're on stage, and it's awesome. It sounds really nice. You get wireless device charging in the back, not just the front. You get it in the back, which is really, really cool. I didn't set up the fingerprint authenticator, but you got that if you want it. You can set that up. That's pretty cool to have that as well on this. So, how are everything as you would expect? How are front seats?

And you've got all sorts of different bells and whistles and tricks and things you can do. aside from being extraordinarily safe. The gas mileage is not great, but you aren't buying this vehicle for the miles per gallon. If you are, you're buying the wrong vehicle. Talking about 15, 16 miles a gallon, right? This is not great, but it's the engine. And that's with an e-supercharger, by the way. The highway is a little better, 24, 25 miles a gallon on the highway.

But I mean, again, you're not buying this thing for its gas mileage. You're buying this thing for the driving experience, the luxurious ride, how much fun it is to sit in, all the different things. There's mood lighting in this thing, which is really pretty cool to have that. You can set the different trim levels and you can tell the car, you know, what the mood is based on the song you're listening to.

That's incredible. I mean, there's so many things that in one week's time of driving this vehicle, I didn't get to fully be able to execute, but the three-year 36,000 complimentary maintenance is awesome. And the three-year, 36,000-mile complimentary service valet, very cool to have that. Those are the things that you get when you buy a vehicle that's giving you the little push up, the little thing that separates this from its competitors from a cost perspective.

Like I mentioned, there wasn't a price tag on this, but just looking at other vehicles, it's about $100,000. If you're in the market for a gorgeous luxury vehicle, I'm telling you, look past the brand and look for the bang for the buck. It's a 2020, it's 2025 Genesis G90. Recommend you check it out if you're in the market for a high-end luxury vehicle.