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Expert Advice on Telecommunications Resumes Part 2

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Tired of endlessly revising your resume with no results? Our expert guest is here to help you finally land that dream job with some game-changing tips and insights. Discover how to avoid inputting your information twice during the application process, the crucial importance of including a cover letter, and the invaluable benefits of having someone else review your resume.

We dive into the art of tailoring your resume for different job positions, and reveal the secret power of the top third of your resume. Learn how to write a cover letter that answers the HR person's burning question, and get insider tips on resume formatting, listing your degree, and even considering professional resume writers. Plus, we share our personal stories of how these strategies led to our own career success.

As we conclude our resume series, we encourage you to take the time to review your application materials and subscribe to our podcast for more valuable insights. Remember, your dream job may be closer than you think, so don't miss this opportunity to boost your career with our expert advice. Happy job hunting!

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Resume Tips and Cover Letters

Speaker 1

So this week we're continuing with the resume questions and we're finishing out the episode , so make sure you stay tuned . Next question and I've and ?

I love this question because as 12 years ago , when I was looking for a job , i was unemployed for like six months or so And I applied for almost 200 jobs over that six months And I felt that whenever this question , i felt the frustration because I've been there .

The question is what can I do so I don't have to enter my information twice when applying for a job , since it won't take a text from my resume ?

Speaker 2

Okay , i think this is an answer for some people , but it might be different depending on the company's application process . When I'm working with my clients , i usually want to find out how they're applying , meaning going directly to the company site , doing it on LinkedIn , and then we'll do some testing .

There are some job sites where they say copy and paste your resume into this text box . So when they do that , if they're copying and pasting a formatted document into that text box , it looks all wonky . So that is one complaint or not really complaint , but frustration I'm hearing from clients Then I have to go ahead and have to clean it up .

So usually when we're creating a resume , we create it in Word , in PDF and then in plain text file . So the plain text at least will get input more cleanly .

If your resume is formatted with tables , for example , and you upload it somehow and then it says please complete these boxes , you know , like I just put this in , it could be because it's not reading the tables . So all the extra formatting that I see in resumes sometimes creates that challenge and frustration of having to put it in again .

It can also be simple things like where are you putting your dates of employment . Generally they're on the right-hand side . If you have them on the left-hand side , some systems won't read it Again . That's why you need to input it .

Speaker 1

The next question is is it still good etiquette to send a cover page with my resume ?

Speaker 2

If you go on LinkedIn , you'll say , oh God , there's a debate on this . My answer is yes , it will not hurt . A lot of job postings say cover letter is required . The cover letter is your opportunity . Very briefly and concisely , not your long history . Very briefly and concisely , just to almost prove to the person that you're applying with .

I read the job posting , i know I'm a good fit and here's why . Okay , a couple of bullet points about why There might be something that you put on your cover letter that doesn't really belong on the resume , but it belongs on the cover letter . If the recruiter decides they don't want to read it , that's fine .

If you can't upload it at all , okay , well , is there another way to get it to the recruiter ? But you'll see people on LinkedIn saying cover letters are ways . A lot of times . If you don't have that exact experience , you need that cover letter . For example , the person who wants to get into low voltage .

They need to be able to describe why they believe they're a good fit . I generally recommend it . Unless the posting says absolutely no cover letter is accepted . Okay , i won't send a cover letter , but it can be helpful . I had somebody for one of my openings a couple of years ago I put on there on the top and the bottom cover letter required .

Because if I'm posting a cover letter I'm not going to be able to send it . Because if I'm posting , sometimes for a training facilitator position , i get resumes from actors . I get resumes from so many people that have absolutely no experience . So if you think you align to this job , i need a cover letter to help me .

Otherwise I'm not looking at your resume And I had somebody write back . I asked for a cover letter because I was not sure . It said the job was located on Long Island . This person lives in Ohio . I'm not really seeing how this person is going to get here three days a week . Right , it was a hybrid position .

And I received a response that said I'm way beyond , like I'm too advanced in my career to have to write a cover letter . So I thought , okay , well then I'm not proceeding because I don't see this fit .

Speaker 1

Well , that also sends a message too , doesn't it Yeah ?

Speaker 2

that was .

Speaker 1

If they're going to treat you like that as a candidate ? Yes , it was . How are they going to treat you when they're an actual employee And you're ?

Speaker 2

Exactly . It was quite bizarre . I had to actually read it three times because I wasn't sure what I saw , you know . and I showed it to somebody else and said am I reading this wrong ?

Speaker 1

Make sure I'm not Help me , make sure I'm not reading this directly .

Speaker 2

Right , I always give everybody like second , third , you know chances , and the two people I showed to said no , you're reading it right ? I said okay .

Speaker 1

So You know that's actually a good tip is , if you write your own resume , have somebody else read it . Yes , yes .

Speaker 2

Have somebody else read it , you will . I do warn people , though if you show it to your brother , your best friend , your neighbor , you're going to get three different perspectives on that resume .

What you're looking for are trends , and usually what I'll say is if you're showing it to a friend who's not a resume writer , ask them if they could describe back to you what you do . Oh God , that's great , right , and why they should write . That's what you want to know . But you'll get all kinds of you know where's your picture ?

Well , no , pictures don't go on the resume anymore . Or you know where's the references upon request ? No , that doesn't go on there . So you'll , but you do want to know . Hey , if I gave this to you , do you know what I do ? And that could be some good feedback .

Speaker 1

Gotcha , You know , I like how you pointed out references upon request . I mean that's kind of almost a standard . Now I mean , why would you even put that on a resume , Right ? right , Because it's not expected . If they're interested enough in you , they will ask for it .

Speaker 2

Yes , yes yes , And they might ask it on the application . That's where you'll put it . It's a waste of real estate . The references upon request .

Speaker 1

Volunteer I want that term is a waste of real estate . It's a waste of real estate . Think of your resume . Here's a NASCAR reference . I don't even follow NASCAR . When you look at a NASCAR , they have different sponsors stickers on their cars And how much space they take is how much they charge for that sponsorship .

It's considered real estate , yes , and so why would you waste that valuable , important real estate on something that's already assumed ?

Speaker 2

Yes , yes , there's a lot . Unless it really applies to your job , you don't need to put your volunteer activities . It might apply to your job , especially if you're applying for a nonprofit . But you know there are things like that . My hobbies . take that off . You know I love to ski and travel with my kids on the weekends , not on the resume .

Speaker 1

That could also be a bad thing too , because you know like one of my hobbies is making my own line , and if the HR person is a recovering alcoholic boom .

Speaker 2

Right . So that's not . you know , that could be a good building report question that the HR manager asked you in the beginning of an interview , and then you want to look around and make sure you know whatever . I don't want to say anything inappropriate .

Speaker 1

Right . Well , you should see when I tell people I make my own wine and I mention they and I tell them , well , right now in my closet I've got 12 gallons of wine , oh my gosh . And they look at me like , just like you just did . 12 gallons , yeah , because you make them in six gallon increments and then you bottle them .

So for those who don't know , six gallons is roughly about 24 bottles of wine . And you know wine takes months . You know you don't just make it overnight , it takes months , sometimes a year to the full process . So you always got , you know , some . Some wine is just starting , some that's close to being done , being aged and stuff like that .

But it's a fun hobby , it's just something I like . My wife drinks wine . I'm not a big wine drinker , i'd make it for her And . But you're right , you know you might think that hobby's cool , right ?

Maybe the person who's doing the interviewing may not , and it's it's not relevant to the job You know like , for example , here's one that might be applicable , let me know . So in our industry we have , we have this organization called Bixie Building Industry Consulting Services International . It represents our industry .

They have committees And those committees write publications , best practice manuals and and credentialing and stuff like that . So if your hobby is volunteering for committees on Bixie , that would be appropriate , right .

Speaker 2

Yes , yes , and I would , i would list that under you know organizations . After your education you know those relevant organizations . And not again , not just I signed up and paid my membership due Right , my membership dues , just you know if you were really involved in that , that should go on there .

Speaker 1

Yeah , Cause that speaks to again . That's that's speaking to the dedication to the industry , instead of just saying , yeah , I got my RCD certification . Right , Yeah , I got my RCD certification , but I'm also on the Bixie Mentoring Committee to help mentor young and upcoming Perfect .

Speaker 2

Perfect , that goes on there . And and , and you know that gets listed as professional organizations . You know the relevant professional ones .

Speaker 1

Right , okay , next question Should I have a tailored resume for different types of positions , for example , like project manager versus an

Resume Tailoring and Job Interview Tips

estimator ?

Speaker 2

That's a loaded question because it depends . It depends on your experience . So you , i will do two versions of resumes for clients .

Sometimes , if those two different jobs , or the , if those two jobs are quite different and the experience that the client has and wants to highlight is very different , okay , so here's your project manager job And here's your estimator . It's , in fact , a very different us .

Sometimes , though , you can have one that's highlighting both , right , so we'll start with the summary . We can start with our headline , project manager and estimator , and then the summary describes the two lines of experience that you've had and your skills describe it .

So I don't recommend tailoring your resume for every single job that you're applying for , because that will make you insane And you might , when you have an interview , pull the wrong resume that you sent Yes , right . So , unless you title it , print it and write on there exactly which job you applied for with that resume .

That could be a challenge , And whatever resume you send in these days should match to your LinkedIn . So I don't and you have other resumes , say , writers say something different . I don't recommend for every job , but if there is a , if it's a type of a job , yes , you will have . You might have two or three different resumes .

Speaker 1

Gotcha . Yeah , I think that's what they were talking about , Not specific , specific jobs for a specific company , but rather a job position .

So you know , a project manager has different duties and skills required than an estimator , But the person who might be applying for a project manager job might have been he might be currently being estimated now , but might have been a project manager in the past .

So he could tailor one resume to apply to all of the project manager positions and then another one towards all the estimating positions .

Speaker 2

Sure , and but and again . sometimes you don't have to if you're able to combine both . You know I've done resumes where you know we've highlighted under position project management here's what I did . Estimating , here's what I did .

And then when you're writing the cover letter , that's your chance to say I'm really interested in this project management position because I truly enjoyed when I did this , this and this and was very successful here , you know . So it I don't , it doesn't have to be arduous , or I don't want it to be arduous for the time Right .

Speaker 1

Right , yeah , i'm just thinking , you know , as from what you said earlier about that , that top third of the resume being very , very , very valuable real estate .

That to me , if , if , if I were , i probably would have one resume , for actually I probably have three one for project management positions , one for estimating positions , one for training positions because , those are the three major things that I've done with my career Right And I can highlight skill sets , because I've always felt and I might maybe maybe you can

tell me if I'm right or just totally off the point but I always felt that the resume should be the answer to the question that the HR person's asking . And if they're and they're , we don't know what the questions are asking . Read the job description Right , right , right I mean the verb is a question , but they're , they're there , yes , you know , it did that .

That job description tells you what's important to them And if you don't tell them , you've got . You know , if , if gold's valuable to them and you don't have gold , you've got silver , right , you're probably not going to get the job Right , exactly .

Speaker 2

And you know there's a little tip if somebody's working on their own resume , there's different websites that are free where you can do keyword searches and analysis , and I'll take somebody's resume after I've worked on it , do the keyword analysis you get by single phrase , double phrase , triple phrase .

Then I take the job postings and check against it to see does this person's experience highlight that So exactly ? they put it in their job description and usually whatever is first is what's most important , what's top of mind . Are we showing that on the resume ?

If you have that experience , if you don't have that experience , your cover letter needs to describe why I'm still applying for this job even though I don't have this , this and this . But I have this . So there are . But again , that keyword search is very helpful . Yes , yes .

Speaker 1

I love this question And you told me before we started hitting the record button . You said you . There's one of your favorite questions . I took a break from the low voltage industry a couple of years ago to hike the Appalachian Trail . For those who don't know , if you hike the full trail , that's usually about a year .

Yes , yeah , how can I explain this gap in my resume ? I'm wondering is this ?

Speaker 2

was this person in a documentary I just saw , because there was a documentary about this .

Speaker 1

I could have been .

Speaker 2

They followed this person hiking the Appalachian Trail . You can again , this is client specific but if it's six , if it was six months , most of the time you don't even need to highlight it . Okay , When you get to the application and you're putting in those dates , you might have to be ready . If you , if you , took this time off , how much was it ?

Two years , one year ?

Speaker 1

Usually well , it's usually about a year . They didn't say in the question how long they took out , but Okay , i actually does say it's a couple of years .

Speaker 2

A couple of years . So if there's a professional way to put you know took a break and if there's a professional way to put the reason or how the opportunity presented itself , you can put it there . I would want to see it and see how it looks when all said and done .

You know , before saying to the client yes or no , sometimes you don't need to put anything , but you do need to be prepared to answer the question on the interview Right And , again , have a very professional reason for doing that .

Speaker 1

That's great advice is , you know , when you ? two things I want to add here real quickly When you're going to do the interview , try to anticipate every question they're going to ask you and think about how you're going to respond to . And practice in front of a mirror . Yes , Right , Practice in front of the mirror .

And then the other thing , because it's going to make you sound more articulate . And the second thing is a lot of people miss this And I think you and I talked about this when I reached out to you a couple of weeks back to ask you about coming on the show is you're interviewing them as much as they're interviewing you ?

You don't want to go work for a company just because you need a job and to find out , well , the company culture there doesn't match your personal value , Right , Right .

Speaker 2

And that's actually a good question . So you want not only to anticipate the questions they're going to have based on your resume , but you want to be prepared to ask them questions . You know what is the culture here , and don't ask this . Somebody asked this to me when I was hiring When can I start taking the vacation days ?

That was a question during the first interview . That's flag number one , right , but I did follow up with that ? I said well , that's an interesting question for first interview . Is there a specific reason ? And the person said well , we already have a trip booked for June .

Speaker 1

Okay , So okay , okay , That makes sense .

Speaker 3

That makes sense .

Speaker 2

Okay , But it actually says the candidate didn't hire her . But I said next time maybe wait till later , not the first interview , maybe in the second interview .

Speaker 1

Yeah , when there's some kind of showing from the company that they're interested in you , like the second interview , yes , yes . Or at the end of the first interview and you get that because some people don't have to go through second or third interviews Right .

But then that first interview , you feel like it's a really positive conversation And you feel like they're interested in you and they're going to offer you a position . You need to say , hey , look , just so you know , i've already paid for a deposit on a vacation in June .

So if we get to the process where you offer a position , i need to know that I'm still going to be able to take that vacation .

Speaker 2

Yes , Yes , Yes . And then you do want to have other questions ready about the culture , about the job .

Speaker 3

Yes .

Speaker 2

What's it like , how am I trained , and all that .

Speaker 1

You know my current day job . When I went through the , i did a phone interview first , because I'm in Florida . They're on the other side of the country . So I did a phone interview And they liked me enough that they flew me out there to interview with them . And they told me look , we're going to have you interview with .

And they listed the four people that I was going to be talking to . So I said , great , not a problem . So immediately I got on LinkedIn and looked up all four of those people , right ? And so , for example , when I was meeting with the VP of sales , i noticed that he had a four year degree And I just he had a master's degree .

I'm sorry , and I just finished my master's degree . So when I was interviewing with him , he goes do you have any questions for me ? I said , yeah , i do . I said I noticed that you graduated with a master's degree from blah blah blah college .

Speaker 3

I just got my master's degree .

Speaker 1

How do you feel that having your master's degree helped you be successful within this company ?

Speaker 2

Oh , that's a great question . Obviously , I got the job . That is a great question .

Speaker 1

I love it . Yes , yes , it's all about being prepared .

Speaker 2

You have to do your research . I'm still surprised now people that don't research the company . If you know who you're interviewing , research them and go back and this is probably not the right terminology . But study the job description again . Make sure you remember which job this was and why you apply for it .

Speaker 1

Especially if you've been looking for jobs for a few months and you've been applying for a bunch of different jobs .

Speaker 2

Yes , and it's pretty straight . Yeah , this call could be from three months ago . Find it . Make sure you have that resume . Make sure you still have that job posting .

Speaker 1

Great . Next question Should I use bullet points or should I write paragraphs when describing my duties , or is it more important just to list my work accomplishments ?

Resume Formatting and Degree Listing

Speaker 2

All of the above , so the in . When formatting a resume , obviously we're looking at the experience we have and all of the information first , but a good way to structure is a very a short paragraph that outlines your responsibilities without using the word responsible for right . That's a waste of real estate using active language .

That that's your paragraph , because you need those keywords and they need to be able to see okay , this person has the experience we're looking for , and then , underneath , putting your accomplishments in bullets . So here's , here's what the job entails , and then those accomplishments underneath they're saying and here's how I did it , and both of those are important .

I definitely recommend not all bullets , because I'm now I'm not sure what I should be looking at , you know , as a reader , so all bullets can be distracting , but as long as there's consistency a short paragraph that's describing your job , you task , your responsibility , and then the bullets .

Speaker 1

So you mentioned something that I want you to kind of expand on , because I think I know what it means , but I guarantee you there's a lot of people listening may not know what it means . You said use active language . What is that ? Can you give us an example ?

Speaker 2

So you could say responsible for purchasing , estimating , installing . You can turn that around and say installed this much cable day or created estimates for something that creates action , the conveys action .

Yes , Yes , anytime you see something you know that says responsible for above , above , you can always cross up the responsible for and say OK , well , what did you do ? You know , I managed the training department . I created training programs , i installed this Right . So that's what we mean by that the active language and then make sure it's consistent throughout .

Excellent .

Speaker 1

Next question . This is the final question . Actually , i got a couple of questions after this . One says I'm applying for . I'm applying to work for a cable company , but my degree is in political science . Should I list this or just my GPA ?

Speaker 2

So there's again a couple ways to do this . Applying for job at a cable company , you definitely want to list your degree . You , you can , if you want , if you're not sure if it's going to sideline or not , just put you know . receive my bachelor of arts degree from Villanova University , for example .

And if you don't , if you think it will hurt you to put political science , and that's it . I , just I . you know , as a hiring manager , i need to know And go back to the job description . If the job description has specifics about the education that you need , you need to make sure you highlight that .

the GPA really to me and again , other resume writers may feel differently and hiring managers may feel differently I only see the need for a GPA if you graduated within the last couple of years Okay , once you've been working , your two PIs is still an important part of your history , but it doesn't have to be listed on your resume .

So if you're not sure if that political science is going to help you and you haven't been out of school for long , you could put you know I got my bachelor of science , bachelor of arts , whatever from this university . GPA of this .

if you want to highlight how you're a good learner or a good you know good student , or something like that , but I don't need your GPA if you've been out working for 20 years , right , yeah with .

Speaker 1

I've never been of the train of thought that if you're applying for a project manager and you have a degree in political science science , to me that was never a negative thing , it was just a okay . You can make a goal and you can achieve that goal .

Speaker 2

Right , right , that's right .

Speaker 1

Exactly Now . If the degree is in , you know electrical engineer , well then there's a little more weight to that because that directly ties to what I do . But I never looked negatively at any degree because if you've gone through college you realize it's a four year commitment , right , right and you finished .

You took on that huge mountain and you and you kept going , day after day after day after day after day after day after day , and you , you climbed that mountain , you got to the top .

So if you can do that , then I know , when I give you that six month project to do , to manage , that's going to be like a piece of cake for you , because you don't , yeah , i don't , i don't , you know , it's up to somebody if they feel comfortable putting that degree .

Speaker 2

I don't think it will hurt you . It shows that you , that you graduated Right , and you again , if the job description is asking for something specific , you need to do that cover letter , you know , and show that your experience will make up for that degree , that specific degree that you're looking for , gotcha .

Speaker 1

So now let's talk a little bit about professional resume writers . Okay , okay , you should know something about that A little . So , and I know you're going to say it depends . But if , if , if , if somebody wanted to get their resume written by a professional , what kind of investment are they talking ? That is I know he says it depends It's huge range .

Obviously , a manager position would be , would be a more involved . It depends on how much work you put into the resume

Choosing a Professional Resume Writer

. Right , let's break this up . Let's say somebody in the field , if they wanted to , somebody who's a technician probably . You know they got 20 years of experience , but they can get into two pages or less . Are we talking $500 , $5,000 , $50,000 ?

Speaker 2

Definitely not the last .

Speaker 3

I you know , definitely not the last two .

Speaker 2

Otherwise , you know , you might see Monte Cristo behind me , right ? So there's a few ways to go with the resume writers . There are large agencies that have set plans based on the length of your resume . So might be one page resume $200, . You might see another company one page resume $300 . And 20 years of experience $500 , 20 years of experience $1,000 , right .

So they , they have their different packages The . I work a little bit differently And and I have colleagues that also work the same way that I do I base it on the amount of work that I need to dedicate to help you , right ? So when you go to some of the larger agencies , it's a pretty efficient process , but it's not as personal , right ?

So you fill out a questionnaire , you send it in . They make the changes , they send it back . You make a revision , you send it back . You don't have a conversation with anybody , which is fine . It will work . For some people , it definitely will work . You'll see lower prices there . Other resume writers Like I don't give a fay until somebody's .

I need to see what I'm working with . Okay , send me your current resume , tell me what you want to do . I will then figure out how much work we need to do to get it to that point , mm-hmm . So You know there could be a range depending For the past three years so I know it's being broadcast .

I'm risking this but the range has been Between 250 to not thousand two hundred fifty dollars up to 1200 . Gotcha , that's pretty much what the range has been . Okay and it depends on . Are we starting from scratch ? Right , we have nothing and you have 20 years of work We've done On the corporate side of my business .

You know we work with companies who are outsourcing and We go in and we do one-day workshops , called next-step career workshop , and then those folks , if they've attended the workshop , they get a discount on the resumes because we know they've already learned Some of the key things right the reason I'm bringing that up is a lot of those clients were at the same

company for 30 years . They had nothing Right , so their fee is going to be higher right then somebody that just got a job there a year ago And that resume was pretty good . that got them there . We just need to update , it's not ?

Speaker 1

a stale . It's not a stale or something . Yeah , yeah exactly .

Speaker 2

So you go online and find probably resumes that start at 199 And then if you you know , when you look , if you want to have a conversation with that writer , it's an additional 50 dollars , you know . So they can do it that way , or there's packages , and then it also depends if you need help interviewing . So You know like we work .

We work on the resumes with clients , on cover letters , interviewing prep Loops , on some salary negotiation practice with people , and then We help them figure out now what needs to go on your LinkedIn . So it depends on what what's needed .

Speaker 1

Yeah . Yeah , i wasn't trying to get pin you down on what your prices right , right there are way too many variable . Right , right , you know , and I understand it . But but I know somebody listening this shows gonna be thinking you know I , i didn't do good in English in high school . Hmm , might be worth it to me .

Let me ask you this question If somebody gets and it's just an opinion is not not fact do you feel that a resume written by a Professional writer such as yourself or your colleagues has a better chance of going through and getting hired than somebody who does one themselves ?

Speaker 2

I would say yes , Unless the person writing it again .

Speaker 3

It's really good , yeah , it's a good writer You know there's lots of templates online .

Speaker 2

If they , you know , do research and find a template and they're a good writer , you know , i think that also increases the odds .

Speaker 1

I should have prefaced that the majority of the people in our industry they type like this And for those who are listening , i'm doing the two-finger typing Oh right , so so don't get me wrong , there are some . I worked with a project manager who had a degree in Literature and he was an excellent writer . I used to go to end up right now my stuff .

I use them as my second set of eyes on a lot of my documents I put out and . But those are few and far between in our industry . Few and far between . If somebody's looking to hire a Professional resume writer , what are some of the search criteria or some of the things they should look at when they're evaluating who to pick ?

Speaker 2

I mean I would look at experience . I mean , if you're choosing between people , i would look for certification experience if they can talk to you about , you know , the the type of work that they've done . Now I'll give to a little disclaimer on asking for samples . Okay , so We've . I've had in the past people asked for samples and I would send some samples .

You know , take people's names out , take the phone numbers out , all that they identifying information . I Did that up until somebody took that sample and said , oh , i don't need you and Oh , i brought it to a writer who then wrote the resume . So I will show samples on a zoom . Meeting takes 10 minutes .

I'll pick out , i'll pick out samples and my husband was funny because he says you know they can still take a screenshot .

Speaker 1

I said I know , but you know they got to work harder for it .

Speaker 2

Right , that's what I said . It's a little bit harder for them . So you know , it's it just gonna make them work a little bit . So people do ask for samples or they want to see samples . The other challenge with that is there's a lot of samples on the internet , so somebody that's not legit can say sure , here's my sample of the work I've done .

I would say if you can talk to that person , whether it's by email or phone , you feel comfortable with them . They understand what you're trying to do . They have references that they can give you . References can be challenging if the references are actually working somewhere and looking for jobs .

So as a resume writer , you want to find people that are not actively looking . They'll be more comfortable to do that . And again , what's best for your process ? If you don't feel like talking to the person , emailing back and forth works , then look at how they're responding to you , right ?

Speaker 1

You mentioned earlier that you were a certified professional resume writer CPRW . our industry loves acronyms . Oh , and that's how I was like I got to find out what that acronym means Yeah .

So if somebody is trying to pick between a couple of different resume writers and one of them has that certification , what value add is that for the person who's looking to get that resume created ?

Speaker 2

Good question . So you know there's similar in your industry . You have to go through a certification process every year , regardless . You know , depending on the association that certify me , you have to recertify . The advantage is now similar to your industry .

We're part of a group that's always staying current on what's happening with resumes , what's happening with LinkedIn . You know so . It's that's my feeling , that's what the difference is Like , and even you . Somebody could even go the professional association for resume writers and career coaches and go right in there and anybody listed in there is certified . You know .

So if you want somebody that's local to you because you think they understand the business , you can search that way . You know , go into those organizations' websites .

Speaker 1

Excellent . It's probably the same thing for our certifications , right ? I'm a certified registered communications distribution designer , an RCDD . If a client is looking for a project manager , an estimator , and it's between me and one other person , i have my RCDD . The other person doesn't .

That doesn't mean the other person is not as good as me , because I've got that as a me , but I've gone through a couple of extra steps to document my skills .

Speaker 2

Yes , that's pretty much it , yeah . Yeah because there are some people I know are excellent resume writers . They're not certified . They are incredible resume writers . So , and some people have been like , the first time I was certified was internally , as I mentioned , at Chase .

Chase , oh geez , at the time had just amazing Co-Career Development Center And you know that certification was for Chase so it didn't have any meaning outside of . Chase which is why them and Chase had , you know , say how can I get certified ? So , but that would still be important .

you know , like if I saw that on a resume writer's bio , okay they were , you know they'd done it for this long or they could have they could have a coaching certification . you know there's different certifications out there And again it does mean they took the extra step Right .

Speaker 1

What a great conversation . Oh , i like talking to you . What a great conversation . I you know , when I I knew this was something I wanted to address but I thought it would be a dull , boring conversation . But , man , i had a fantastic time and you answered some really good questions , had some really good advice . I appreciate , i pray number one .

I appreciate you sticking around longer than I originally asked you to .

Speaker 2

Okay , i hope it wasn't too much talk .

Speaker 1

Oh , no , no , no , no but you know , i do have a follow-up question . If somebody wants to get their resume righted and they want you to write that resume , how do they get in touch with ?

Speaker 2

you . Well , i'm on LinkedIn And they can send me a message on LinkedIn And what I do is , you know , depending on availability , because I take that personal approach with all my clients .

So usually I have them send me their current resume , a sample job posting that kind of indicates what they'd be looking at , and then I , you know , i'll say here's a plan , here's when I can start and here's what the fee will be .

Speaker 1

Based on you . I'll put your LinkedIn profile in the description below so people can definitely get ahold of you

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. And that concludes our resume series . I hope that the information over the last two episodes has given you some information to make your resume a little better , to help you get your dream job . Remember until next time . Knowledge is power .

Speaker 3

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