Whoa, just curious. Welcome to Just curious media. This is let's talk movies. And I'm Jason Connell, on the show. Today I'm joined by special guest Sal Rodriguez.
Thank you, Jason.
No, thank you, Sal for joining me on another fun episode of Let's Talk movies. Oh, yes. Because I knew you would be a good fit for this particular episode with your history and love of horror. Thriller Horror. And your doll collection. Sorry, collectible.
Whoa, slow down there. I'm a grown ass man.
No, I think this is gonna be a lot of fun because we are going to get into a classic franchise that has a ton of sequels and remakes. And that is Friday, the 13th 1980 just rewatched kick. So good sir. 1980 Can you believe it? This franchise goes way back almost in the 70s.
And you know, Jason, you got me thinking about this franchise? Because normally, you know, you know, I'm a horror fan. But I've told you before I actually enjoy a supernatural element. I don't just like people killing people. Right. It's got to be a supernatural element. And the truth is, I think people don't talk about it much. But there is indeed a supernatural element a little bit in front of the 13. Yeah.
Speaking of which, yes. Oh, yeah. Great. poster. Please describe this poster. Sal. Oh, well, it's
a silhouette. Right? Yep. Hard to see from here, actually.
But there is a silhouette have a knife and a hand to the posters on the ground.
That's a great Oh, Jason. When this movie came out, I was actively going to summer camp every year. Oh my gosh. That's not what this movie. This movie was to summer camp with JAWS was to the beach. Yeah,
there you go. Camps are closing. No one's
gonna turn around turn that turn that stationwagon around. Kids
don't want to go to camp turns out. So so the reason I watched this movie was because I had been building this collection of film on Apple. You know, movies are going on sale for like 499. And I wait. And I've been building this collection. A lot of times that come with special features a lot of cool things because I'm a minimalist, and my DVD collection is nothing except for the movies that I directed and produced. And the blu rays gone
to. I only have one LaserDisc that you gave me, which was Jaws do and I have no LaserDisc player. But it's more of a collector's item. I dig it. And thank you. But I've been building this thing up. I almost have 500 movies now. And I don't have a lot of like classic horror. That's what I would call this. I mean, I have American Werewolf in London, of course. But that's such a great movie. It's not just defined by that genre. So this popped up. I was like, Oh my gosh, I used to have
such a love affair. With Friday the 13th. Not to mention my name is Jason Chuck. Chuck and the killer in the franchise is Jason So there was that time. But what we'll get into that, so I hadn't seen this movie south and 30 years at least.
Okay, hang on. Jason. Your mother's name isn't Pamela is it?
Wow. Oh,
Patricia. Hey, Chloe.
So anyway, I put it on now, the version I bought was the on cut version, no pun intended, uncut version. And it just said some of the scenes were a little bit longer. I was like, Well, okay, now that I'm in remember the original. So I watched it last night to prepare for this episode. And I really enjoyed it sound I can see how this, although I can't say it's totally an original. This comes after Halloween, obviously also after psycho. It has elements of both, I think in different
components. Yes, but the killer? Well, I don't want to we'll get delve into that. But it was just like, wow, they made a lot of original choices. And you can see that some of the choices in this movie, some of the shots, some of the scares, definitely lived on in other movies. And not
just to know but Jason, you know, something that people you just know brought it to my attention when you bring up psycho. One thing that makes this movie, I guess extra creepy is not only that we have murders, you know, innocent people being killed, but it touches on the inappropriate relationship lifecycle between mother and son, hospital inappropriateness. Jason just the other day, there was some
football player. He wants some game and he's on the field and his mother came and she jumped up on him and hugged him and they were criticized that it was inappropriate hug delivered my mother to her son. So inappropriate parental relationships. Just bring on that creepy factor.
Right? That's true. Yeah, I I hadn't seen this, like I said, and several decades and I'm thinking, wow, you see the Halloween aspects, not to mention the music at times. And also other times it sounds like psycho music and the mother son relationship dynamics, not to mention who the killer is in this movie is also very oiler conventional, but we'll delve into it. So I'm going to give you the synopsis because it's been a while since
you've probably seen this. And for our fans, I highly recommend delving back into 1980 But we're just doing a quick, broad strokes, rewatch just rewatched. But here's the synopsis. A group of camp counselor is trying to reopen a summer camp called Crystal Lake, which has a grim past are stocked by a mysterious killer. And yes, it's all about Crystal Lake that is the famous or infamous campground which is
actually a New Jersey sounds. So not too too far from me, but it definitely looks and feels Pennsylvania New Jersey, but that's where it's at. I could drive there if there is a crystal like actually, it's not a film that some other camp. But yeah, that's a pretty spot on synopsis. Jason
sorry. The lake itself. Yes. Is not near you.
Well, it's a New Jersey. It's an east. Okay, so
you can go visit I could drive? What was it? Yeah. You have to? Okay. You have to do you have to do on location now? I'll
be right back. Let's come with me camera. Yes, I have to now it was released May 9 1980. Of course, the genre, horror mystery thriller, okay. Heavy on the horror, and directed by Sean s. Cunningham, who would later do spring break, which I remember that movie as a kid and deep star six. picking some highlights out here, written by Victor Miller and Ron Kirk, and the composer. And it's a really good, I think score, I would say, hairy man for dini.
And he also did the music for house deep star six along with Cunningham, and the mega code. So some other movies, but definitely accomplished composer and the cast at the time sell all unknowns. And this movie's budget was low for what it is. And all unknowns. However, one of our cast members turned out to be a big actor, still working today. And I always knew this trivia. I didn't know it at the time. But you know, five years later, it's like, oh, yeah, you
know, blah, blah. That's one of his first movies, not as first because he was an animal house first, but definitely after that, and that, of course, is Kevin Bacon.
Ah, and I'm two degrees. And you're like one degree. You're, you're one degree. So you know what, your How about this, then? You're one degree. I'm two degrees, but I'm two degrees from two different people,
huh? That's pretty good. That makes you four degrees.
No, it makes me
so here's the cast. So of course, Kevin Bacon. He plays Jack. He's not the main guy, but he's like the good looking guy. And you could just tell Wow, this guy's got the chops. Animal House. He was great. Thank you, sir. May have another he also has one of the best deaths in the movie. I think they'll best most memorable death. So we'll talk about that. He would go on to be in Footloose, Hollow Man, Mystic River, the woodsman and so so many more movies. incredible actor have always loved Kevin
Bacon. So here's who else is in the movie. Betsy Palmer plays Miss Vorhees. Rest in peace. We lost Betsy Palmer may 29 2015. She passed away at 88. Good run, I read saw that. She really didn't like her role, and then learn how to embrace it, and then fell in love with the roll. And of course, it was a famous roll for her. She kind of looked familiar to me. A lot of these people did not in this movie, a couple here and there. There was also
let me just pause you on Betsy Palmer, please, if I'm not mistaken, she had a career prior to Friday. 13th. So for her this was almost a reboot. Well, that's exactly her career. Right? Did she have a career maybe in the 50s and 60s?
Yes. And so sometimes it's like, Ah, I'm doing this now. You know, and then this thing turns out to be what it is. And then it's like, Oh, I love this. This is I'm really popular. I'm sure she went to conventions. Yeah. I mean, she got a lot of play out of this. She passed away in 2015. This comes out 1980. And it's a cult classic out of the gate. Because we'll get into the sequels. They started banging those out rapidly. They did. They did. So then we also have just a couple of cast members.
Adrian King plays Alice. Now she would reprise her role. She's one of the only people that makes it, quote unquote, makes it there's also Janine Taylor she played Marcy and robbing Morgan played Annie. Now, there also was an interesting character I didn't really pay much mind. But Bill was played by Harry Crosby, and he is the son of one Bing Crosby. I did not know that until tonight. And then you brought this to my
attention. There is a young Jason in the movie to be clear as the killer in Friday the 13th The original is not Jason, one hour long. movie came out in 1980. But it was played by himself.
Oh, that's Ari layman, who bills himself today to this very day bills himself as first Jason. He was a kid Jason. Yeah, Kid Jason. And he's there in the history books, along with the cane hunters. We have Ari lemon, the first incarnation of Jason, do you have
those history books? The Friday
They're right behind me.
Now looks over I just helped the hell riser book, The Hellraiser books. I'll
come down. It's near the mental Rolodex. Okay.
So speaking of Kane Hodder, when we get into the Jason's when he eats more, Jason is the killer and he's like big and strong and he wears what sell? Oh,
he wears the now famous and iconic hockey mask,
the hockey mask? That is correct. So that is played by Kane Hodder. And, oddly enough, I just thought of this before we went live. Yeah. A dear friend of ours. He started as an intern with me and my company Cano creations and also helped out with United film festivals, was a production assistant on five of my docks and the one narrative I produced. Derek Dennis Herbert. Yes, directed a documentary
about Kane Hodder in 2017. To Hell and Back the cane Hunter story, because he has a whole other story, which you were talking to me about before we came on. So I highly recommend people checking that out the documentary, which definitely shows clips of him as Jason, but I hadn't even thought about that before we got into this episode. But
I will tell you this. Jason, I am happy and proud to tell you that I was one of the backers one of the many backers of to Helen back the king otter story.
I think I was to say that I was I think it was just put it in post. Yeah. Yeah, whatever. That's great, man. Yeah, no, he did a Kickstarter as people did. And they still probably do, but definitely back in this era. Anyway, that's cool. So it all comes full circle. So but now I just want to quickly go through the other titles because there are a lot of sequels like I talked about and reboots. And so I think we'd just ping pong back and forth, starting with the original, and
we'll say the year. And anything that comes to mind, if anything comes to mind, because there was a time saw that I was just an evangelist for this franchise. And then one day, it was over for me. So for you, I was out in office because something happened. Okay. Yeah, we'll get to that. So here we go. Number one, this one right here. The one we're here to talk about. Friday the 13th 1980.
Followed by Friday the 13th. Part Two in 1981.
I will be watching that one next time. I'm revisiting these early ones.
Well, this is where we start to see them rotting. Exactly. Exactly.
Then we have Friday the 13th, part three in 3d in 1982. So I saw it in the theater. And 3d. Yeah. Wait.
Wait, at this time we're wearing the blue and green or blue? No blue and red, blue and red. Okay, the blue and red 3d glasses. Now let me ask you this. Jason, did you have to pick up those 3d glasses at 711?
No, they supplied them at the movie theater. Okay.
Did your did they ever have that in Oklahoma where you had to get the latest 3d movie releases glasses at like AMPM or something like that
did happen. We didn't have AMPM. But we did have 711 We had Kwik Trip. I think that did happen. Well, this one in particular. So I wasn't old enough to see it without an adult. So we went in to see a nother movie watch for Benji. And then we went like, but we had to get the glasses. So we had to pull like Sly sly, like, oh, yeah, we distraction. So yeah, we had to start a fire and then we had to go. Oh, no fires, no fires. Okay, please continue.
Friday the 13th The Final Chapter 1984.
I also saw this one of the theater. Corey Feldman was in it. Yes. I love this one. I think it was a real high note. I remember the theater I saw it at the annex seven which I would later work at in Tulsa Oklahoma since gone. And this is where I departed. I thought it was a good place to bow you call something that final chapter. And I have run its course I was like, wow. Not many movies had sequels besides James Bond. Even Star Wars stopped at three So this to me was like wow, little one extra.
This is great. But no so it didn't stop there. Because then came Friday the 13th a new beginning 1985
They just played the previous one The Final Chapter. How can they this
is what I knew they're never going to stop. That's never gonna end it's never gonna end never gonna end
that's funny. Then comes Friday the 13th part six Jason lives 1986 Now this one Jason I did not remember
at all. I love the tight I love the Jason lives I think roaster you know, I love that. I don't either new beginning I remember starting to do the eye rolls on becoming a teenager it's like me. Oh,
no, wait, Jason. I remember that was a new beginning where that other guy was on train. Yeah.
Playing Tom. Yeah, it gets like an imposter. You have to start like figuring it out. It's kind of like screen because you start to push the envelope. Try new things. So I don't I have no recollection of Jason lives either.
you've tuned it out of your memory. But yeah, if I haven't saw
it, so then came Friday the 13th part seven the new blood 1988 I can honestly say I never saw the new blood by now. I'm long gone. From the franchise. Yeah.
Yeah. I don't remember what happened in this one. But yeah, looking at the dates. They really bang them out, didn't they? Yeah, they did. And then Friday the 13th part eight. Jason takes Manhattan 1989
Dan, Dan, Dan and Dan. Dan, and I loved great title and one of the best trailers. I must say it's an incredible trailer. I did actually love this one. It was a one off for me. And it was a time style that people were taking Manhattan. The Muppets Take Manhattan. Home Alone to he was last in Manhattan last in New York. You know, King Kong also took Manhattan. They just didn't put it in the title.
I mean, yes, originator. He was. He was the originator of taking Manhattan. One of my favorite films do the right thing by Spike. So 1989 in New York, as a West coaster, this is around the time New York starts getting put on the map for me.
Yeah, well, there was also the movie Manhattan. That was incredible. Woody Allen, which I love. So Woody Allen took Manhattan before most. And then Annie Hall was all you know, pretty much 90% in New York. And one best picture one of the only comedies to do so maybe the only comment or do so besides the apartment, but neither here nor there. You also mentioned Godzilla. Didn't he Take Manhattan? Wasn't he running loose? It would be Empire State building there. I don't remember. Matthew
Broderick. He did. So I know that. I know that. Well. Okay.
Look, Jason as many Friday 13th As there are, there's so many Godzilla. So we'll have to go through one. Yeah, at some point in time you and I go through the Godzilla saga. Okay.
Sounds good. All right. So then, this is when it really is jumped the shark? I would say Jason goes to hell. The final Friday. 1993 was
the final so I know Friday on there.
Oh my god. So
they're saying officially it's the final Friday, so it must be
must be so fast. Not so.
I don't remember this one at all. Jason goes to hell. What does he meet Satan? What happens here?
I don't know. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Okay, so what comes next? Jason
x, which is Jason 10. In 2002.
Yeah, they didn't even bother saying like, it's a new Friday. All right. No new new Friday blood. So I have no idea what happens in this. Oh, this
is the one Jason I know what I do because I have the figure. Oh, a lot of figures have led me back around to the motion pictures. This is the one where Jason winds up in outer space. He's in some sort of chamber it gets revived. He's in like a cryogenic chamber gets revived. And we have Jason we're running a spaceship in space.
You're kidding.
That's what that's what happened. That really happens. Yes, Jason and outerspace that's what let's just call it that.
That's a great title Jason and outerspace Jason take space takes our space goes out. Alright, so then come something. It's like the old classic saying from happy days would be jumped the shark. This is so far over the shark. It's not even funny. Freddy vs. Jason 2003.
Of course, Freddy Krueger is Freddy Krueger from the Nightmare
on Elm Street franchise. So I don't even know where this begins to make sense. I want to be in the like Key and Peele should do a skit about how this was pitched in the writers room because like, you know, we should do and they're just like not and it works. So they got Freddy, and they don't join forces like that would make even more sense to me. Like let's kill everybody. No, they want to off each other. Like is there a winner? I don't even know Don't tell me because I haven't seen
it. And if I have enough stamina maybe I'll get here but I don't think I'm making it past four. I really don't
know. You know what the problem is like I agree with you that they should team up right. They should team up and Murad together. But what happens is, it's sort of like the public wants them to fight like, like, for example, if there's like a hot female rapper, and there's a new female rapper, they want them to have beef. Like, why should they have beef? Yeah, why should they work an alien fight predator? Well, there you go. Okay. So like they
should team up. But instead, they make them enemies so that we can have a nice war on our hands. But
these people are things are just out, just killing people, just burning down villages and taking no prisoners. They don't want to go against some formidable foe. So now they're doing this like, I kind of want to see it. I'm a little bit curious to be honest with you, because it makes zero sense. And why stop there? It should be like Jason vers Mike Myers, not the actor, but I mean, the Halloween. Myers. So yeah, I'm really curious to see
more. But this stops, but there is one more movie, which is more of a reboot. So and that is,
well as we see this list, Jason, I have to tell you, I get a little bit depressed because we went from 2002 to 2003. And now the last incarnation we had of this franchise, Friday the 13th Reboot 2009 Nothing's happened since 2009. What's going on here?
That's unbelievable. Did you see that one?
I believe I did. Now I did remember sitting there. I think I saw this in the movie theater, thinking Oh, come on. When did Jason start bench pressing weights and doing shoulder presses? This is like the buffest Jason that we've ever seen in Friday, the 13th Reboot the John Cena or somebody huge. It might as well have been, you know, it was not much different from the Rob Zombie Halloween reboot, where all of a sudden Michael Myers is buff.
You know, like all these guys all of a sudden been pumping up weights like never before?
Wow, I don't know. So there's 12. In all, that's how many we counted. That's how many we read. I am definitely going to watch part two, part three in 3d. Although there won't be 3d here. Probably I don't have the glasses, unfortunately. And then the final chapter with Corey Feldman. I remember it being very enjoyable. I have not seen two, three and four, also, and maybe 30 years. So I'm gonna
stop it right there. Most likely, I might go back to Manhattan, just for fun because I like to take Manhattan, and then call it good. But no nose, and nose. And I'm not doing this in any like, over the next few weeks. It just kind of rebooted that sense of horror. And this one cell bringing it back to this movie, which I just rewatched what I was noticing Sal was just, it really is clever. It's a little movie. It's definitely indie guerrilla filmmaking, it feels it. But it
works. Because the it's not relying on the actors. It's really reliant on the situation, and the camera movement, and then you can't help but think, Wow, this is 1980 They're shooting and 79. Um, besides Halloween, and of course, psycho, which was before that, it really was just ahead of its time. And I really appreciate it as a film and the filmmakers and who we're gonna get into who the killer is. It's like wow, they took a lot of different choices.
And I really enjoyed it. I mean for what it is weren't necessarily any subplots right now Allah subplots effect, it's I like a movie that's just streamlined, and I appreciated how fast it all really happens in a day. Right. And so we'll we'll get into the beats. But before we get into that, let's get into your collectibles. I want a little show until then we'll play the trailer, and then we'll kind of hit through the beats of which I experienced just last night. So what do you got?
Specific to the original movie? Movie? There will be no hockey masks yet.
Unfortunately, while we should die hockey mask for the next episode.
Well, that'll be in part three, I believe. Oh, I don't
know. Don't get ahead of ourselves. Okay, original Pamela
Vorhees, Jason's mother, and then of course we have a young Jason at the end spoiler alert. If you haven't seen the movie, Jason pops out of the swamp.
He's also in the movie bits and pieces. drowning. Okay. Oh, okay. So he's not afford to stay geared and drowned. He's like, Oh, let me help. Ya.
Okay. All right. So we have the young Jason whether or not he's drowned yet. Yeah, we have the young Jason and we have Pamela Vorhees. Okay, so first of all, we have a six inch action figure of Pamela Wow, he's wow you see that? Yeah, I can go closer. Let me open up myself. Let me do it myself. Okay, there we go. So this
the light is solid who made
this is made by NECA. She does look great on this camera. She looks
just like she did in the movie. Terrified this. This is
her holding a knife. This is made by NECA. What's the relation there? So in demand now unfortunately, because she is a classic figure. I will not attempt the articulation today but we have a articulation we have shoulder articulation we have some, I believe some ankle articulation but the old NECA figures are very very stable so oftentimes you won't have to stretch
articulate Gotcha. What happened is a company like NECA bowed to the enthusiast who love articulated figures so their figures used to have less articulation now the figures have more articulation so this is a classic Pamela. Grey's
that knife. Is that knife sharp. Look. Oh, yeah.
Oh, it is.
Oh my god, blood. You got blood coming out of your finger.
I do. I'm completing. That's okay. That is. Spoiler
alert. That is the killer in this movie. I go on there. I'm throwing it out there. We're already more than halfway through this episode. So night,
folks. Yeah, that'll be the next one. Also by NECA. This came out years later years later, at the tail end of toys r us in the US at the tail end came the Pamela Vorhees up. This is called migos like a real sweater. This is called Miko style. This is real cloth clothing.
Also the lightness is face. Good. Wow.
Well, let me let me put him together real quick. On the knife in this one, the old and the new. They both look great. There we go. That looks good. Yeah.
On the left, but she's got a biggest one who came
with a with this. Oh, she's
got Oh, yeah. Yeah, she's got the hatchet men. Yeah, hatchet in
her hand, and there is a thing she doesn't think for and I must have dropped this. She has a holster for a knife. I must have dropped this. But Betsy Palmer plain Pamela Vorhees came in a two pack with young Jason. Oh, wow. There is Jason as he looked now, I don't think he had a t shirt on. So they gave him a t shirt
that says I believe that Crystal Lake you
can take his shirt off. I don't have a little Jason. Otherwise he has a t shirt says Crystal Lake and he has all kinds of muck and swampy stuff all over his face. Yeah. So
there's a grill? Well, we'll get into that scene shortly. So there's her son and we'll talk about what happened to him. But those are good sounds. I'm glad you have those. Thank you for showing them to us. See, you are a fan of this franchise and definitely this particular you know, the original. I stole I am
and again you helped me to realize that there is a supernatural element. Good to the our primary character of Jason. Yeah. So
you have more figures but they're more tied to some of the other titles that we mentioned. Absolutely. Yeah,
there will be more figures as we discuss subsequent films if we do what we what we're doing this 123
not committing to those. I'm committing to like the first few and then okay, so yeah, great stuff. I'm going to play the trailer now. relive it kind of stoke up some feelings. Get a sense of how the style is those listening you'll get a sense of the music. I went through a few trailers This is the best one I found it's also an HD Are you ready? So
I'm ready Jason.
Okay, good. Give me a second We'll talk after say save your comments
Hello by doing on this one three weren't doing anything we were just messing five six mentioned seven Can I help you? I Good Friday, the 13th may only see it once. That will be enough Friday the 13th?
Wow, yeah, great music really great music very
psycho, wasn't it? Yes,
yes. Yeah, reminiscent of classics before it. And now it itself becomes a classic. So
as I was watching that, again, I love how 13 becomes like a killcount. It's not even the case. You know, it's more of the day of the week. But I got to look and see tell me May 9 1980, wasn't Friday. Tell me. Right? It had to have been it was indeed a Friday. But at least on a Friday, the 13th. That's all I'm saying. It couldn't have been. So it had to squeeze it out. And then it's probably a small release. And then they rolled it out from there. Yeah, it couldn't have been third day.
That's May the ninth. So
you could definitely see how the way that that was shot, sort of paved the way for guerilla filmmaking?
Oh, absolutely. It showed you you could also make a successful movie with this. So with the style campy style, you don't care too much about the people. But you're still vested in survival mean? Well, that's what I mean. Okay. Like the comparison? No,
that's, that's what I mean by there's no sub plot or character arc. Oh, so they're just, they're just casualties? Well,
that's why you have a bunch of them, and you slowly lose some and then it's about like, oh, I attached this person is still alive. I'm attached to them, can they survive, I want to survive. Where Jamie Lee Curtis, you're all into her character. And Halloween, you're invested in her jaws. Of course, those are three iconic characters. And in psycho, the same, although, you know, you kill the lead in the very beginning of the movie. And that's when it's like, oh, all
bets are off. No one's safe. And that movie, so that its own balance and its own, you know, ideology. And just what it built with Hitchcock was incredible. Well, this isn't at that level. But it's damn good. And it's effective. And so I really enjoyed, like I said, the streamline story. And so we kind of started with a flashback in 1958. I was like, oh, yeah, that's right. We need some
context. So it's a little bit of 1958, same camp, Crystal Lake, but two counselors, or they don't even have sex, but that's the plan, and they're offed by. We don't know who the killer is. So that's something else that's happening. When you're watching the movie. You don't know the sex. You don't know how many. You just know, people are getting like, hey, we weren't doing this. And then it's like a lot of great Gore shots way ahead of its time. Right Way ahead of its time. And one with
Jason Woodhead. Yeah.
Hang on, Jason. Wouldn't you agree, though, if were you a detective where you and I actual detectives? Yeah, you have those scenes that show potential victims like hey, how's it going? Like, implying the killer is not intimidating is not doesn't have a mask on? Yeah, you might as well be your neighbor. Hey, how's it goin nature makes it
even scarier. And even the guy that runs the camp that he gets killed in the trailer is like, Oh, hey, who so he's like, befriended like, Hey, what's going on Sal? And they're dead. So yeah, it's even scarier. It could be your neighbor. It could be whomever someone's mother. So what happens though, is we learn that we'll go ahead and say her name again.
Pamela Vorhees,
but Betsy Palmer, played by Betsy Palmer, Betsy Palmer hurt, yeah, so Pamela Vorhees loses her son, he's at the camp. He's not a counselor. He's a kid at the camp. And he's not being watched. He's swimming. And he drowns. Because the counselors were all off doing whatever they were painting. Yes, they were smoking grass, and we're not focused on the kids. He drowns, and she's out for revenge. And she's also a little bit psycho, almost like she has split personalities.
There are some great scenes later in the movie, but we'll get to that. So that's what we learn. And then but we don't know this initially, we just know that something bad happened at this camp and 58 they tried to reopen it. And there's a series of events that keep happening, like someone started some fires when there was talk of reopening. And so it hasn't been reopened hasn't been
reopened. And now at this present day, which we know is the seven days so a good like 15 years later, they're going to open the camp again. And this person is 15 years older. 15 years more crazy and begins to take action into her own hands now. So I like a streamline movie. Like that movie nick of time ever see that movie is like a real time movie, or run all the run, distills the real time Snake Eyes, those movies, it's like, we're only gonna go this
far. Well, this is one day, and one night, and there are no kids at camp. We are just at the counselor stage, like they're coming to camp to help out, help get ready that kids will be there. And a few days later, I think it's two weeks later, and they're off. They've This begins night one. So it's kind of interesting. Like how fast it's not like, there's kiddies running around. They didn't even bring that element in here. They wanted to like, bring in the
teenagers. They'll be fornicating and having fun and doing some playing strip monopoly. Take the kids out of it. And we can kill them. We can't kill kids. Right. So it's really it was smart. And that way. Anyway, so I don't know your thoughts before I go on.
Well, no, Jason, you just reminded me that maybe that's why Jason fights Freddie later. Didn't Freddie kill kids
40 killed kids is maybe Jason was? Yeah,
Jason becomes the Crusader on behalf of kids. That's true.
Maybe he was alright.
We got to catch. We got to catch the catch.
We're gonna catch up with Alan. Let's just skip to that one. Yeah, what else is going on? So then we do hear one of the counselors talking about the like, a creepy campfire story about what happened about Jason drowning. But it stops there. It's not like, oh, the mother is a psychopath. Well, they're all area there. Yeah, exactly. He was still innocent in this story. He was was I mean, just like he was still drowning. It's like hell, but
it's really sad. It's like, I mean, a drowning is terrifying. And there's a lot of counselors and not one can be watching Jason swim. Like, come on. That's, that's bad counseling.
Right? That's what that's what fornicating does to
well, not everybody's fornicating they're just they're just absent minded. And there's also a cool device in this movie, a major rainstorm. You know, it's like it's so torrential and and that kind of keeps people indoors, and there's no reason to really be scared. So you're like, it's pouring down rain. Oh, I forgot to close the windows in my cabin. Let me just go out there, right. And no one knows what's going on yet. So there comes
that killer. And then like I talked about Kevin Bacon's death scene, so it's the only sex in the movie Kevin Bacon has sex with this young lady. You know, some good shots and you think, oh my God, why they're having their moment. There's a bunk bed there on the bottom. On the top, we see a corpse there's like a wide shot when we pull up and we see like a corpse up there who had been already killed by the killer. Okay, that happened. Blood is dripping down on their bed. They don't notice it.
First, it's on the pillowcase. And they kind of notice it. And then as the girl gets up, go to the restroom. A hand comes up and holds bacon's head down and then the classic knife through the throat It's an amazing shot like well, I remember years ago just getting into film and they were showing how they did some
of these cool shots. I mean, you know, horror shots, but still, because this is not CG this is all like legit thing so like, you know how they faked it and how bacon's legs and body or so some really neat stuff here some interesting gorilla primitive filmmaking but genius at the same time.
It's almost to the degree where he will you when you see a murder like this. Your like, is the killer like a Navy Seal or something? Like how how can they have such accuracy?
Exactly like Oh, I'm gonna go right through here and like have you done this before? These are all like new kills? Yes, like Rambo style, like Rambo style. Yeah, there's even like archery range. And one of the people like some great reveals you don't see everyone dies, sometimes you just see the reveal how they died, like a girl opens up a door. And then this guy's like, you know, arrows are holding him to the door through the head. He's dead. But it's like, oh, he died
that way. And who's doing this and moving bodies around. So they superstrong Alice, the one who does live, there's some great moments with her. Because you start to kind of hang on to her because she's one of the last people. And that's what happens in this type of movie. You don't know her that well, but she does seem pure and innocent. Yeah. And you want to see someone live because that becomes you like, oh, I will have to live through this. And then she was just hang on. I'll please.
I'm sorry, Jason, you know, you brought up a good point, you say? You said something like, you become her or she becomes you. But that's where I think what happens here is people should identify with Alice. But what happens here is people begin to identify with the killer, and then later on begin to root for the killer. Oh, yeah. And then you have people rooting for Fred. He's rooting for Jason's rooting for Michael. wires, you know, that's a next level of wiser because
it's easier. It's less clear what cuz you know they're gonna make it you know the killer deal.
I used to always be on the other side of that feeling like, oh crap, here they come so I don't even know how to feel like the killer. If I watched it over and over and over again. Yeah, I'm desensitized to it. Sure. But I was really caught up in this movie like, oh my gosh, I'm just because it's all watching it again. And then going back in time and seeing filmmaking at that time, and then you know what the franchise became? Right? They're making this movie thinking, hey, this helped us
comes out. Okay, hope someone sees it. So there's a lot of that at play. I know that it became this huge franchise that probably needs a reboot or something because you're right. I think it's time it needs to be like Egon, do start again and do it really cleverly. Or maybe I should see the oh nine version and see if I like it. But and then there's Mrs. Vorhees reveal. And this is great. This is really good. I think the movie just keeps getting
stronger and better. A jeep pulls up, and you think, wow, Alice finally has someone to save her. Although, you don't really trust anybody, because you don't know who the killer is. But then here's this woman. You showed us her likeness. Show us the likeness again. Without the hatchet or the knife in her hand. She's not the most threatening, more like a nurturing mother. Right?
I'm covering up her knife. And yeah, oh, wow. A little creepy.
Show me the other one. The bigger like the sweater. Maybe? Maybe I would hug. Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, how are you? Dude? Come on in from the storm. Or wait, wait. Yeah. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. By the way, what's that? In your other hand? What do you got there? So Alice comes running out when she sees the jeep and gives her an embrace, they hug. We still don't know. It's her. But you're like, and she's like, Oh, honey, I'm not afraid. And you're thinking, why this woman's not afraid of much. And then it
slowly comes out. And she's good at this cell. I don't know if you've seen it in a while. But she can just almost like she split personality. Like she's like calm and nurturing to the girl Alice. And then it's like, and then she flips a switch and starts to go in psycho mode so that she's a strong actor in this role. And I think it definitely sells it. Now. Is she intimidating physically? No. In fact, Alice keeps getting the best of her. And this cracks me up in this movie. It's like,
she'll knock her down. But she'll run away to hide again. It's like if you knock him down, just take care of things right. Then tie him up. Stay right there. No, it's it's like three times of like, I'm gonna get away. And I'll say you're the hunted again. Right. So I would never go I would never do that. I would stay like right there. pin them down and call it a day. Because she's not supernatural power. She cycle and she'll stop at nothing. Yeah,
there's no supernatural element in the Friday 13th. Franchise yet yet
yet? Yes. So that's really strong, though. And you need her to keep running. So I get it you Alice's, like, I'm distraught. I'm gonna go in here now. And then there are some really good scares, she hides in this one room she can't really see. And then you see the door knob turn, like classic things that you would see so much later. But this is 1980. So we're not even in the, you know, that far in the 80s yet, and it's just like, wow, I just forgot it was this old. Like, I remember being at a
party. And not my party, like my parents would go to parties, because they were very young, you know, 18 and 21. They had me. So if this movie comes out at I'm nine, okay. And then it's on TV. So maybe, maybe I'm 10 or 11. So it's like the party where parents are gonna hang out and the kids hang out in the other room kind of thing, because the parents are probably all in their 30s. And they put this movie on it was on HBO or our it
or something. And kids like sneaking looking when we can you know, because we never seen like, sex and these killings. And so yeah, they were fascinated to see something they've never seen. And we were blown away and terrified. Sal, I'll never forget it. Like I saw snippets that night. But then I would see the whole movie later without my parents around. Of course. Jason, I
feel like you and I have talked about this either on the let's talk movies, podcast, or other podcasts or just just in general. And that is how horror movies of today just don't have the nudity. No. Like they used to they don't have the slacks that they used to lacking. Yeah, it's just it's to me, the sexual component was a component of horror films. And this goes back to psycho to Yeah, oh, yeah. She's in the shower. Yeah. But today, I feel like it's not as much of a component.
I agree with you. Janet Lee. Jamie Lee Curtis, his mother absolutely in the shower. Halloween had elements of that. But you're right. You're right about that. It's true. Not that horror is my favorite thing because it's not a fact. I'm less supernatural more realism. Like, show me a movie like Jaws. Like, that's conceivable. That's terrifying. Not Yeah. Well, this shark was summoned by this beam to go. And I don't want to know that. I just want to know like, clean, streamline it.
You know what, though? That is the reason why I like the supernatural element. Because to me, then it becomes less believable. Okay, if that's your no supernatural element. Yeah, it kind of suits me. Because like, oh, yeah, come on a demon. Yeah. Right. You know, but if it's something that could happen, like tech, right, like the movie saw where people could just kill other people. Yeah, that's scary. That's good. Yeah,
exactly. The things that are could really happen to me are the indeed the scariest things. And that's why I like a supernatural element in my heart, so I'm not scared. I get
it. And I'm totally a believer and a lover of movies like Exorcist, supernatural, but real isms. They're like, Oh, my God, you know, some people do get possessed. Or at least there's history of that happening somewhere in one of those books that you have behind you. But you know, it could happen so, or a movie like the craft, which had elements, which isn't a horror movie, but it kind of is.
And I had the writer on the end of the mystic podcast recently, Peter Filardi, and he also wrote Flatliners where it's like, I like supernatural when it's still on that line of like, Yeah, this is like riding that line. I believe it or the Amityville Horror, I always wanted to believe this house can be possessed. It's when it goes too far. And it wants to show you this being every five seconds and it's more of the CG and the filmmaking than the concept. I just get like this.
And, you know, speaking
of 3d, Amityville, three, 3d,
we're gonna have to go to Amityville, because they're not only like, classic, but I went back and watch the original and not that long ago. And it's like, there are some funny scenes in that movie. Like, oh my god, this movie went there. So yes, good point on the 3d that was happening a lot in the early 80s. Let's roll it out in 3d. Everyone's gonna love it. So anyway, so I got off point there, but good conversation nonetheless. Now back to miss
Vorhees. She was indeed seeking revenge on anyone who calls himself a camp counselor or cook or just works at the camp because that represents where her kid was killed.
Jason Why should a cook be responsible for the trout he's not a counselor and he's just trying to make meal she killed the
owner of the property. Oh, was their son killed? I guess he drowned but on there while
he drowned because you would say he drowned due to negligence. Yeah,
so I said killed but definitely there's fault. I'm assuming nobody got in trouble so she took law but
he got a manslaughter charge. I'm
sure it's honor char so she's like, I'm killing everybody. And she flipped a switch. Now where his his father? I don't there's no Taurus his dad. Yes, Mr. Bora. He's
Yeah, no
don't no interest who is he? But for them to make it her it would have been easy to say Mr. Vorhees and he's built it is no you don't suspect her and I appreciate this movie went there and she's vulnerable. She gets almost knocked out three times. And she keeps coming back because she's like a dog in a fight. And then finally, this big ending with Alice and she swings that X or an X and literally Off with her head. Well,
let me see something just to be clear just can you see this you get a good view? Oh, yeah.
Oh, no, no, you gotta get the other model.
Wait, wait, no. This I thought her head came off you're
gonna break it I thought her to break your collectable there you
know what I thought I thought this particular figure had a removable head maybe the other one try the other one. No, I don't want to ruin this one. This one for sure. But what you can see if you can see her neck is I see that. I see the car that gets cut all the way around. Her head came off. There
were some really good shots. They showed the cut, but then sometimes they don't show you too much. So then the movie ends and Alice's alive and the police have come to save her she's out on a canoe. Like falling asleep just didn't like after she killed Miss Vorhees. She goes out on the canoe. But South then there's like a beautiful jumpscare so why don't you describe what happens there? Which is at the very end almost.
Yeah. Because you think everything is okay. And when you think everything's okay. Is when it's not okay. So Alice's are floating on a canoe. Yep. And then right as you think she's about to be rescued. We have kid Jason coming out of the water and coming up from behind her as a matter of fact here. Speaking of toys, there is a wonderful dialogue Some of the features a little miniature Jason, a little miniature Alice on the canoe, and he's coming
out. So it's not this but as this looks like this was a different a different toy. So yeah, we have a Jason coming out and snatching Alice and pulling her right down into the lake. Well, I
think it cuts it early, but it's like, oh my gosh. And then she wakes up. She's talking to police. And it's like, okay, she dreamt that up. There's no way that kids out. Right? The moms lost her head, the kids dead. He's not going for revenge of the mother who is going for revenge of him. But then, as she's really I mean, she's distraught, she saw people that she cared about die in front of her, she had to save her own life several times. And then they kind of pan in on the
water at the end. Like, he's still out there. She senses something and we pan into the water. And we kill it like, wow, they already set the stage for the next one. Right? Something's out there. Something's out there. And we've already seen something they showed us. So is that lurking? Is that what's going on? There's your supernatural. And something's amiss at Crystal Lake at Camp Crystal Lake Sal.
You think by this point, Jason, by the time this movie was done, and in the camp, they realized, we need a sequel, if
wind child was involved, they would have been shooting two and three back to back. He I don't know how fast but I know it came out the next year. And now this is a big production with a lot of moving parts and a big crew or cast, I should say maybe it's a big group. But But no, they got the next one out and then write a script, we also have to write a script. So they bang it out fast. So I think they knew right away like he had something special here. Let's move on this
and so incredible. So here's some trivia, which also talks about the budget. I'll save that for the end. But interesting trivia, Rockstar, Lou Reed, owned a nearby farm where they shot the movie in New Jersey, and he entertained the crew with impromptu performances during production. That's kind of cool. I'd love to see some footage of that. I know. There's Lou Reed hanging out there. What kind of movie you guys making? Well, we don't really know and the heritage, it's Friday the 13th.
In fact, people probably made fun of the name, you know, at the time, because
speaking of the name of the movie really doesn't have anything to do with with the date on the calendar. No,
it's in fact, it wasn't even released on Friday or two. But not to
think the movie takes place on Friday the 13th indication, I
guess it could I could go back and look if there's ever a reference because it just says present day. Yeah, but it is all in the one day and they're going to camp two weeks early. And they're working on things or hammering things. And then they get you know, stalked and killed. So kind of cool. Now the composer hairy man for Dini used his own voice to create the famous kick,
Mama, kick.
His own voice well, who knew that this would turn he's like, no one's ever gonna hear this.
He's like, no one's gonna be able to do this the way I can do, I'll just do
this. And then I'm on to the next gig. Wow. Here we are many, many, many, many, many decades later, many years later. And it still lives on.
Oh, again, going back to collectibles. I think that there have been some large size JSON of Halloween and I say specifically Halloween figures for the season. Which when you push the button, play that was it. Music Sound Effects.
That's awesome. Score. Yeah. So here's something funny. So I'm watching the movie last night. And I'm listening. I'm like, wow, there are moments where it's like, you know, a violin like something straight out of psycho, even in the trailer I played had a bit of that. Also a little bit of jaws and John Williams. Yeah, so a little bit of Halloween score, which was done by John Carpenter, the great John Carpenter. So last night, I get a phone call and my ringer is
on. And my ringer is the great little jingle I'll call the jingle from Kill Bill that. And that, like it's kind of haunting and plays. So I'm hearing this thing real low because I have the audio really loud. And I'm like, wait a second. Is that where that came from to? Because I kind of faintly heard itself. It was getting mixed in. I look at my phones like now that's my ringer because that would have been too much that I would thinking Tarantino took the score and
created that for Kill Bill. So I'm glad I caught myself because I would have misquoted some things tonight. But any sample fun fact they're in my viewing last night of the movie. So the film grossed and this is old numbers I'm sure $39.8 million domestically on a $550,000 budget. Did with a total worldwide gross of $59.8 million?
So Jason Jason says, horror films horror films do not get the respect know that they deserve. I'm telling you, no other genre. Can you just put a few good actors in a creepy location with some decent music and pull off something fantastic that will supersede budgets like this? No other genre does that.
No, no, it's hard to do. I mean, I do love these kind of, I call them claustrophobic movies where it's like Ryan is going to do this little thing and horror works in that way. There's other movies that have done it. Sure. Glengarry Glen Ross, star studded cast, but it's a Mamet play David Mamet play, and they don't move too much. Of course, they didn't do this at the box office. It's modest. This thing went like bananas, okay, for half a million dollars, which is a lot of money shooting this in
79. And then everyone's like, what are you doing? But my God, I wish I was older than and I was an investor, a lead producer on this thing, because it made buku money. So yes, they were in production on two. And as we go through these, we should see if this trend continues, and I'm sure it did, at least, as Carl Gottlieb would say, all sequels make money until the last one. So there's 12 They've been banging money out. Printing. Oh, but
you know, what I, I just realized is that this franchise if you think about it, okay, it's struck gold, right? Gross of 39 million budget of just over half a million, right? Okay, so you have that. But then what happens is you change your killers effectively, you're kind of reinventing the movie itself in the middle of its run. So you have to strike gold twice, with two different killers in the same franchise.
That's true. You've killed off your killer, but you've smart enough to plant a seed like there's something going on here with Jason in the water, right? Yeah, cuz she's gone. Who else is going to come have revenge? The father, her other kids? Sure. But they went away more in the Mike Myers way. Like super bean indestructible. I haven't seen two and three and so long, Sal, I forgot. I know what Jason turns into. But that's when you're really riding the coattails of Halloween.
Michael Myers became just a force, right? He doesn't have a hockey mask. He has a turned inside out. Captain Kirk mask, right. So creepy, weird looking, little deform and the crazy little hair. The hockey mask was a great, which we'll say we'll have to get into like, wow, it was a stroke of genius. And then they knew they could ride this supernatural element much further than a mom who's susceptible to injury. So yeah, you're right. They reinvented and they did it. You
know what I foresee them based on everything we've discussed tonight is if there is a subsequent movie at some point, which there will be of course, is an ultimate prequel. Oh, which features Mr. Vorhees
Mr. Moore. He's this is where we learn.
This is where we will learn about Jason's dad, which we haven't learned
yet. Who would be Mr. Vorhees. Gosh, unknown
Jared. Jared Leto. Creepy Joaquin Phoenix Joaquin
Phoenix creepy, but I was thinking of someone more buff and scaring big guy and can't be the rock. He's
too playful. Tom Hardy buffed out man bein style.
You're going somewhere with this. Christian Bale. Christian
Bale. Well, a little older,
maybe scary.
We gotta go a little younger. We got to keep it younger man. Dang. Well, look, look who did a fantastic job as Bundy. Oh, recently.
Yeah, he's I haven't I haven't seen it. But he's
from High School Musical. Zac Efron. Zac Efron. Yep, Zac Efron could play Papa Vorhees. Yeah,
yeah, good looking. Hey, ladies. Okay, anyway, we're taking it too far. We might cut some of this out. But yeah, a lot of things could happen. This episode went longer than I thought because it's almost like we're doing a franchise volume one on Friday the 13th. But we didn't we delved into the first movie because I can't commit to the entire franchise. I just think this first movie is really worth exploring, especially if you'd
like this genre. And a movie from 1980 that really set the stage for a lot of things to come. It wasn't the original. It was not, but it came out at the right time. It filled that void. And I really love what it did, because honestly, after Halloween, the second Halloween, I didn't like what that franchise went. And I don't think John Carpenter was like stewarding the ship either. So that one went a little bonkers.
And I think this one probably was outperforming it for some time, not recently because they have Jamie Lee Curtis. And it seems like Halloween has always kind of, you know, reboot themselves where this one is kind of dead on the vine right now. But anyway, that's all she's doing.
There's been too Hey, Jason, if you compare Halloween to Friday 13th 10 is you have an antagonist and a protagonist through line the whole way through. Whereas Friday 13th doesn't have that you only have Jason the whole way through the moms killed off the first one. You only have Jason, if there were a primary
nemesis, maybe along the way. I don't know, I think there would be more people talking about Friday 13th At this very moment, because we were just only been relying on Jason and Friday. 30 has no Jamie Lee Curtis.
However, all I know is I just finished this movie and Alice is alive. So I'm going to delve into part two with that knowledge. And I'm going to see where it takes me. Again, I think there's a point where I just eject. I think I'm gonna make it to the final chapter and bow out. Well,
Jason, I would ask anyone and I say this for myself. Any one of us should be able to commit to the first three movies of any franchise. The first three commit to the first three after that you can bail if you need to. But I think the first three of any franchise will pretty much tell you everything you need to know. True
if I can make it past. Yeah, the first one sure. Yeah, I think I agree. I never saw all the three teenage mutant ninja turtles, but I did like the first one as a kid. So I don't know. Did you see
they were just talking about finally trying to release a Vanilla Ice action figure to coincide with the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle as he figured in those? Yeah, he was he did go ninja Go ninja go. Oh, he did a song but he's not. And he did. He did a song. He was on the stage. And yeah, the collectors are calling for a Vanilla Ice
Ice hearse and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. I like it. That'd be fun. Alright, so that was a lot of fun to delve into Friday, the 13th 1980 just rewatched south. Anything else to add before we close out here?
I want to thank you, Jason, because actually what you've done tonight is you've given me a newfound respect for the Friday the 13th franchise, you know, it's like I'm looking at it from a different angle. Now I'm looking at it from more adult perspective from a 2023 perspective. Nice. We have a long legacy and saga of Friday 13th I think the original sets of wonderful tone, they did a great job. And I'm happy and honored that you decided to share this time with me. Thank you. Wow,
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