Hello listeners. I feel like I'm having a major case of tell me it's wedding season without telling me it's wedding season because A, I dunno what day it is.
No.
and B, most of my nails are broken.
yeah. When I get well into like wedding season and actually Christmas time of all the wreaths, I literally lose my, my nails don't just break, but I lose all that. My cuticles just disappear as
Oh no.
I'm like, yeah, so,
Oh, it's not the one is it? It's not the one,
Yeah.
I feel like I'm lost with the dates 'cause I actually had a wedding yesterday, which was Monday. But should we intro and then I'll tell you all about it? Let's go. Hi, I'm Hannah.
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Yeah, so, a Monday wedding, I don't, I never know.
it?
Yeah, I feel like you know it's like the school holidays when you start getting mid week weddings.
Yeah,
I was only freelancing but I tell you what
Oh.
There was this kid at the wedding and She basically like she just kept being sick
no.
and the mum reckons, the mum was like, oh I'm really sorry It's just because she's too excited,
Oh.
like walking down the stairs and just be like bleh
Oh my god, what?
Funniest thing was there was this other kid there of course a redhead which of course I love.
Yeah.
She, she turns around and goes to this little kid, they were like playing together and she went, Do not be sick on me.
Oh,
just so random, so blessed, the venue coordinator, bless her, was just running around like with buckets of like,
day. Okay.
water, like yeah, chucking it on sick.
job.
what? And this guys is why I don't like kids at weddings.
Unpredictable stickers.
Is that what kids do?
need your
Like,
sand. What was it? The sand? No,
oh yeah, the sick sand. I said that to, I was telling somebody else about that the other day actually. Yeah, the sick sand. But I don't know what's worse. Kids puking or sick people drunk people puking.
I think drunk people. It's gotta
Yeah, true.
it's pretty gross, isn't it?
I know. So yeah, that was, that was a random one. But yeah,
Oh,
all fun and games.
good.
There's always one. Maybe she'd had a few too many vodkas, bless her.
maybe.
must have been about seven though. I mean, I'm not very good with saying kids ages, but
me either. I can
I'm like, is this normal? I've never heard of this.
and throwing up.
Yeah, and I mean it was like four or five times. Maybe. Yeah, literally, and she was like zooming round.
case it was a bug or something. That's all
Oh God, yeah, no way. Good, good God. So yeah, no, it was good.
That's
was outside. One thing I will mention is, like, honestly, when you, when you're in the UK and you're planning an outside wedding, you have to obviously make the decision, like, quite last minute. But at the same time, you can't make it last minute because we need to set up. So,
Oh, you say
it's a difficult one.
your wedding, didn't you, in like the
Well, that's true. That's very, very, very true.
can be
Yeah, if it can be done. But I'm talking tables. Like, they had tables outside. Like, not just like ceremony chairs.
the
Yeah,
the
yes, but honestly when you check in the forecast people, please don't just look for rain because honestly Don't know what you think, but I honestly think that wind is on Equal terms of being as bad as rain like it drives me insane I was honestly get I was I was like losing my shit with the wind yesterday Because every time you put a tablecloth on it just blew off again, and I was like, what is the point?
you remember that time we did that style shoot? And
Yes
windy and we did, I did that
What the hell?
that like, it was like suspended over the table,
Yeah And it like fell out fell off didn't it? That was like august 2020 when it was like stunning weather and it was like the hottest day It was so hot, but it was really windy. It was really random, wasn't it?
tell then that wind's like a nightmare and then we had all pampas grass and stuff didn't
Oh, yeah It's just the worst it just looks crap in your
Yeah
when like the because to be fair from that style too I wasn't that like Like, it looked incredible. Your, the pictures of your flowers were insane. But at the table, I didn't ever use any because all you could see was everything blowing around.
it's
The linen blowing in the pictures, and that just puts me off using, using images.
a veil and it's really windy.
Yeah,
a nightmare.
yeah.
your
I just hate the wind. Oh, it's driving me crazy, and it just, it just looks terrible. Your stationery's blowing everywhere, your glasses are blowing over and smashing.
is it?
No,
No.
it's really, really not. So please think that through, because I know you might be excited, yeah, that Yeah, I can have my wedding breakfast outside, because it's sunny, like.
But
No, think of the wind. Yeah, because we've got another one coming up Saturday. Who want theirs outside? And I said the same to the venue because the venue made the call.
Ah,
And I said,
Like
please consider the wind because honestly, I just can't go through. I can't go through it again. Honestly, I can feel it inside. Like, you know, when you
find the
it.
I find the wind really stressful, right, when you've
Same.
out, right, you've got ready at home and you've done all your hair and makeup and then your hair's like,
Yeah.
and stuff like
Oh, and the lipstick. Oh, that's the worst.
like, serious like, anxiety, I'm like, no.
Oh, it just riles me up. Yeah.
I'm gonna be so annoyed, like, all my hair's gonna get blown around and, yeah.
Bad times. How's your week been?
My week's been good, yeah.
Good.
so, just again, sorting out bits for upcoming weddings and events, so I've got a few things coming up in the next couple of
Yeah, I was gonna say. Yeah, when's
Yeah.
kicking off? Like, next week, week after? Yeah,
sort of,
because I know you've got a busy August. Yeah.
met up with this bride and actually funny enough, something I wanted to mention today. So we was chatting away and she was telling me about like how she's been planning a wedding and everything like that.
Yeah.
must've listened to this podcast.
Of course. Where have you been if you haven't?
if you haven't, where have you been under a rock? Yeah, we, we were just chatting away and she was explaining to me how difficult she's found it doing a table plan. Just with like, family politics. So a bit of
Oof.
her her mother in law has basically, and father in law have like paid for the wedding.
Right.
they've sort of had a bit of a say in who's coming, like they've
Ah. Isn't it? It's like, yeah, great, parents are paying, but also
sort of want a bit of a,
Yeah. They want to show off to their mates. Look at what we paid for. Oh.
had to like fit. Like friends of her mom and dad in and stuff and they've got 14 tables. It's quite a big
Oh, yeah, it's big. Yeah,
Yeah
fair size. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, and it got me thinking about like when you're doing a table plan I was thinking about she was telling me
Mm.
it
Yeah,
place to bring the chat because I feel like people want to
I'm so glad I didn't have to do one because it's all I hear from couples is like, how stressful it is.
yeah,
you do yours?
I actually me and Richard and we went for We went out for breakfast one morning and I basically I literally drew circles printed out
Yeah.
on like a big bit of paper and I had everyone's names cut out and we literally sat there
Stuck em.
them
Yeah.
with a bit of blue tack so then we could like move them
Yeah, that was like, that's very Monica Geller, isn't it? You know, when she has the little flags and the little pins and Rachel's like, Why didn't you just put me here right at the bar? I love that.
it's funny, like doing it, but I remember just, it took us a while, but we eventually, we
I don't know if I can sit and cut out all this. I think it depends if you're like visual people, like,
I needed to
Yeah, you want to cut and stick. She wants the prick stick out, you know.
of Princeton. I'm not
She's loving the prick. Whereas me, I think if we'd have had a seating plan, we'd have 100 percent been on the XL. On the XL sheet. Although saying that, our website, it has quite a good little, like, thing. Because you can, I say our website. Our website did have a good thing because we are now married. We it has like where you can group people.
So you could have like you could have like, Hannah's family, Hayley's family, like, do you know any, you can group people, you can have like school friends, like, I don't know,
Yeah.
friends, like,
for
Yeah, like aunties and uncles, and then you can build your table plan from that. So say, you know, you've got all these different groups. Say you've got a group of like four friends from somewhere, four friends from somewhere. You could then merge them together. And then if you've got like, I don't know, aunties and uncles makes up 10 people. Okay, great. That's a table.
I think that works quite well, but yeah, I think I would just type out all the names on an Excel and then just like move them around. But yeah, I think it's what works,
So I
what works best for you. Isn't it?
on like a, so like I say, we stuck it and had a look visually and then I just went
And then moved, yeah.
to like an Excel But our venue just sent us through like a table plan as well. Like, so we just, we did it on there in the end. But, but yeah, I just it just really got me thinking. And so then I was wondering, well, if that's how we did it, I just wondered how.
Mm.
If there are any other options of what the ways people
Yeah!
actually you can download an app on your phone like I
Yeah.
for everything these days
a freaking app for everything, yeah.
can get apps on your
Yeah. Mm hmm. Which is similar to like how the website works. You then group people.
in
also I think people forget that you don't actually have to have like I've had couples go to me before like oh my god I'm so stressed. I'm really struggling because I need tables at eight and I'm like you don't have that's your max You can have like a six or a seven like you know Trying to add it up to like make eight people. Oh my god Oh dear. But yeah, there's an app for everything. Definitely good old spreadsheet,
Can't beat him. Can't
can't spread, beat a spreadsheet. That is normally what I pretty much do with my couples is good old spreadsheet.
though. I have to be honest.
I yeah.
I do all of my, I think I've said before, like when I'm doing my weddings, I do STEM counts and it's like a table,
Yeah, you're like,
Excel, but you know what? I
probably an app.
I've got like PTSD from being in like IT at school and I happened to do all the formulas and I just was so bad. Do you know what? I actually did, I actually did quite well in my GCSEs. did like, I got like a D in ICT.
yeah. Fair, fair, fair play.
one thing I just don't, don't
Yeah. You like.
and
Not, not about that life. Yeah. No. I mean, yeah. And then like you say, the, the, the physical cutting and sticking is always a good. What also, I think it depends if you've got round tables or long tables, because when I work with my couples, when we do round tables, I'm like, you can just literally type out a list who's going on table one, table two, and then draw an overview of. This is a really good example of a long table.
top tables going here, table 1's here, table 2's there, so you can actually physically see what table they're going to be on. But when you do long tables,
good point.
Yeah, you still, I still always say split it down to table 1, 2, 3 in like groups of 6 to 8, because otherwise you're going to have everybody wandering around, not being, trying to find their place name,
yeah,
where they're sitting. But, like, actually visualising a long table is really hard. So,
that's
that I use, I draw it on Excel and then I number it, each seat, and then they just fill out, okay, number one is Aunty Mary, number two is Uncle Roger, number three, Uncle Rog! Yeah,
couples could, would you do that? your, your,
I do that for them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay,
I've mentioned on here before, someone has emailed me before and I've always said, if you want my table plan template, let me know, because then you also need another table plan. We've like, you cater in one which is just
with
Down like
requirements.
and if you're doing choices for food, but again when I've done caterer management When you're doing long tables, you actually don't really care What number the tables are because you you serve down one length then you go down the next one So actually if I'm serving to round tables, I'll do it list form. But if I'm serving Banqueting tables. I want to see how the table looks and it's like yeah, so instead of names It'll be like chicken, beef, chicken, veg
like, With dietary, there's like loads more
Yes
since everyone's like vegan and stuff, I
Yes, I had a wedding the other day, right? When I was freelancing, I was catering manager. And there was 60 guests, and there was no vegans or vegetarians. And I was that concerned that I rang the office.
Yeah.
and was like, can someone please just ask the chef to send a couple of veggie options? Because I was genuinely concerned. Because that's just not normal. But they genuinely didn't have any. They had one gluten free out of 60 people. I'll say that. They clearly lied. Yeah, vegan vegetarian? Nah, you're not my friend. You're not my friend anymore. Anything else that you found in your digging for table plans?
not really. I think that's all the ways that I would do it. So I mean, you could get like, I mean, you could get like a full on, like I said, I did it on
Yeah.
bit of paper. Like you could get it up on like the on pin it up on your wall and do that kind of thing. But I don't really
You could do a whiteboard.
Yeah.
would work because you can just rub them out. Yeah. Yeah.
see and like, like you say, like, I like to like imagine where everyone's going to be. So for me, I had it all laid out how it
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what you could do?
away from me? Yeah.
in a hat, pick them out. Imagine doing that. You can sit next to you, and you can sit next to you. Yeah, no.
I think
No, definitely.
obviously then the things, then, then it got, then it got me thinking all of the different ways that it can be made difficult. So, you know, obviously
Oh, yeah.
dramas it must be the biggest. biggest hassle when you're
Hundred percent.
surely
Yeah, can't sit with them, can't sit with them.
those two together because they
Yeah, they need to be the opposite side. But then I also think, like, You know, like, I've had it before where they're like, You please make sure that that table's the other side of the room to that table. And I'm like, well, they're gonna have to be in the same room for, like, the drinks reception, the evening, Like, so,
And you'd
why does it matter if their table is next to each other?
aside, but they
can't, you can't always
do
think. Yeah.
And I guess another thing is like accessibilities. Have you got anyone that's like disabled or in a
Yeah.
or anyone that needs to get, you know, that's another thing you've got
Do I've had a couple of times this year where the couple have requested, like, a different chair for a certain guest because they're, like, so overweight that the chair will be uncomfortable for them.
Like, I, honestly, I've had this, like, three times this year and I'm like, that's fine, I can, no problem, because we'll just order a different chair from the company, the furniture company, but how do I Like, do this without it being really obvious that we've given you a different chair, do you know what I mean? Like, this is just really awkward.
Because I never swap it out, it's the same with highchairs, I never put the highchairs in until just before they sit down, because it just looks shit in your photos. So, I always swap this chair out, like, at the last minute, but it's like,
do it without it being obvious, like, embarrassing them or
yeah, and they're not going to sit down and be like, Whoa, why have I got a different chair? Yeah, awkward. But yeah, accessibility, yeah. Definitely. Try and put them where they can sit outside on a bench
Oh.
if they're overweight.
Choo loo. Oh
Deary me, so you haven't got to swap the chair out. How awkward.
That'll be me soon, I'll be neat. Oh, I was there, I was, a couple of weeks ago, bragging about how much weight I've lost. I've been
Then Hannah bought her a
Oh my god.
family sized bar of dairy milk.
you bought me some chocolate. Oh, I love dairy milk as well.
Oh,
it.
So good.
good. Also, like, mixing groups together, in a, like, with your
Yeah.
I feel like, I got really awkward about it, so I, like, didn't want to mix. I get
Mm hmm.
okay, like, say if I had, like, and friends come into an event of doing. I get,
Yeah.
awkward about imagining if they're gonna get on or like how they're gonna
Yeah, now I know what you mean.
makes me like, anxious.
Yeah, because we obviously didn't have a seating plan, so people just sat where they wanted to sit. Which you obviously, like, sat with some of my friends and it worked out really well and you got
great. I
really well with them.
here, over here. I was
Yeah!
thank you. Thank you.
Thank you so much!
You
but one table, one of our friends sat, like, with one of our family and I was a bit like, I don't, how is like, this gonna go down? Like,
yeah.
Good luck to you. You know, it's yeah, you do look at some people like this is weird. And they made that obviously that choice to sit. So they made that decision themselves. So they can't blame me. But if you've got to ultimately make that decision, yeah, awkward one, isn't it? And don't you hate it when you're at a wedding and you put on a table where it's like, Oh, yeah, you'll you'll get on with them. And you're like, Oh, really?
I've just got to talk to people, especially if it's like two of you, where And then none of, you don't really know anybody else that well. And then you're just like, like, making small talk like, Oh, how do you know the couple?
I've
I've been to a few weddings like that. I've also been to a few,
thinking
yeah, it is awkward.
that and I'm just like,
Oh, the worst is when, like, your other half is on the top table because they're best man.
my god.
Yeah, and then you've gotta like, just, if you don't really know them, if it's like,
Yeah.
for England, but, you know.
So I go the other way sometimes, like, if I'm nervous, I could just chat and chat and chat.
Yeah, too much.
and I'm like, oh god, maybe I should tone it
And then drink too much wine and then by the end of the meal, your husband comes back and you're like, Oh, hello!
heh heh heh.
And they're like, oh, good God, what have you told these people?
Yeah. great!
yes,
heh.
it's definitely a, it's definitely a difficult job, isn't it? And there's a lot of factors that come into it. I do always say to people, I always think like, RSVPs back like six to eight weeks before. I mean, the caterer always wants to know that final numbers details normally about six weeks before. They say six weeks before cause they need it four weeks before and they want to give you some buffer time.
So if you take, tell your guests eight weeks before it gives you a couple of weeks to like chase those final people because inevitably they are not, not everybody's going to respond straight away, but I always say once you get to that point, even when you've got like 80 percent of your guests is back in, just start doing it.
Yeah, just
getting it done.
That's what
Don't leave it till last minute.
cause I, I mean I asked mine back quite early I think, my RSVP, just because I knew what people would like.
Yeah. Did I tell you about that wedding the other week where they just didn't do a table plan? And like, and then on the day when they were setting up, the day before when they were setting up, they just were like, oh yeah, this person go in. I was like, that's great. But like, we, we kind of need to know where like the dietaries are. Yeah.
Oh, that's a nightmare.
the caterer was fine with it and it was like all vegan. So they were like, well,
That
like 80.
Yeah, so it's not
So it wasn't small, but the big issue was, and I think I mentioned this before, was they didn't then have the board with the table plan on it, so we had to do like a human version, but yeah.
Yeah.
yeah, so yes, so try not to avoid it
Yeah,
they did
avoid it unless you're purposely not having one then that's fine but just so then your venue knows that you're not
Yeah
but I mean if you are then
Yeah,
sure you do it I feel like as well like like I said me and Richard we went out for like we're out for brunch and did it we made it into like a thing
that's quite nice. I like that Did you like nearly hit each other though like halfway through like apparently it gets quite stressful like where you're like, no All the restaurant are looking at you like
in the process
Also when she says she went out for brunch, they went out for breakfast lunch dinner
Yeah, we were there for, we were there for ages. We
The calf had to kick them out.
I just remember, we went through like, we were there for ages and we just had like one coffee or something, and I think they were just thinking, Jesus
Oh, you were one of them.
like,
Yeah. They were like, people. We'll start charging you by the hour through your wifi. Yeah, bad times.
good though,
Also, changing the subject slightly, but going back to that RSVP thing.
yeah.
What do you think about, like, did you have the situation where it gets to 8 weeks before, or the date, say you've said right, you need to RSVP by like the 1st of June. Were you just like, I've seen some, like, people be cutthroat and just be like No, you haven't RSVP'd so you're not coming. And I'm like, fair play.
Wow.
Because when you need to be doing things like this, like the table plan, you kinda need to know.
to know. I definitely had to chase. Well, fair, my mom chased up a few people, like family
Good old mum. Yeah, thanks mum.
So she was really good like that. But I, had, it wasn't too bad, but I did have a few people that took ages to let me know. And I was just like, but
It's so annoying, isn't it?
is annoying.
you're like, well, you know if you're coming or not, unless you've got like an actual valid
Reason.
oh, I might not be able to because they're ex, but at least they're like,
saying the other week? Can't get someone to look after my dog. Okay, sure.
I'm having issues with the dog sitter. Yeah, or if it's abroad, it could be a bit up in the air or,
yeah. How does that work with abroad weddings and RSVPs?
Well,
that
the same. Well, it's the same. Like, as in, well,
thought
RSVP. They say they're coming or not.
would you guess, guests need a lot more notice for
Oh, yeah. Yeah, and I think
abroad wedding, I
Yeah, because you've got to book your flights and stuff. But I suppose when you save your, send your, save the dates out, you would say that it's going to be happening abroad. So they've got the idea. And then when they get the invitation, like, yeah, I see what you mean. Cause six months, we normally say four to six months before for invitations, but you'd probably need to let people know before that. But yeah, you can get flights. I'm like, yeah, you'll be fine.
You can book a flight four months, don't you?
Also, what is the dumb thing? Do you, if you're getting married abroad, do you pay for your guest's flights or do they pay for their flights?
isn't it? I mean do abroad weddings, but
no.
You see the mixed
would you do? What would you do? Oh, blimey.
that was talking about this. It wasn't a wedding podcast, but they were saying like this girl had written in and was basically like her friend was getting married abroad, but also wanted a hen abroad, but by the time she paid for like her flights and accommodation and whatever, it was costing her like two grand or something. I mean, God knows where she was getting married, but yeah. then she wanted a hen abroad and she was like, I just can't afford to do both.
I can't afford that. Yeah, no. I
you to pay for your flight. I just think it's a real difficult one. I don't know, like, I personally wouldn't like putting people out, but then at the same time, even if you're only taking 10 people, you're paying for their
was gonna
of money,
I was gonna say, like, I've ever,
married.
yeah, that is a lot of money
that you, like, I've actually, to
that they pay.
to a wedding that's abroad and we pay for our flights and accommodation, but then we made it into a trip.
into like a holiday. Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
abroad wedding. How funny, because she's that worried. Like, the thought of like, inviting people to a wedding abroad just like sets her off. I'm like, yeah, be fun.
Ah! If he gets married, he'd get married abroad,
she'd
actually.
blower. What
I'll be like, oh,
What fare
oh,
put my
I need to know.
How am I getting my transfer? Yeah,
funny actually. We went out for dinner like a month or so ago.
yeah.
I was chatting to my brother and his girlfriend. And I was like, oh, you know, when you get married. They've been together for quite a while now. So I wonder if it's on the cards, but.
excited.
We was, laughing because I was like, oh, you know, I could do this and I could do this for you and I could do that. And then I was like, she was like, do you want to walk me down the aisle as well? Is there anything that you wouldn't do?
oh,
was funny. It was I did it was
telling you to piss off before
I was like, oh, perhaps i've come on too strong. I got all excited. I was like, oh I could do that and
you
Let me organize this I was like, maybe I need to yeah get out of here
wedding and they asked you to do the flowers. Would you absolutely freak out?
I wouldn't want to
I don't know how Brit, like UK based florists go
funny enough, so there's this girl who I know who does flowers. She is freelance for me, and she's got her own business. And she is doing her sister's getting married in Italy. And she's actually using a wholesaler in Italy. So she's been in contact with them, and I think she's said it's been a little bit stressful, but
because there is a
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
abroad, but that would just give me anxiety, wouldn't it?
Yeah. I think it depends where you were, like, I think Europe's probably quite easy.
no offense to any French, HAHAHAHA
I saying? But yeah.
if their English isn't like, fully up to scratch, like,
I mean, I'm assuming, I think she said that they let her log on to their webshop.
okay.
ordered. See, cause you can do that with some, like,
and the, you haven't got your
Wow, you're working, you're working with completely different conditions so you'd have to like, but I mean at the end of the day, like, I mean, I honestly, like, I wouldn't want to do it. Unless I was being paid big money. I wouldn't,
gone
I wouldn't, I'd touch it, just.
do we get from
I know, but,
broad weddings?
why not? I don't know who this
Have you seen Chloe Kelly got married? What? Fuckin
who this is? Who
Maybe
is it?
She was on the women's World Cup football team. It's She like won, she like won
okay. Okay.
but I know that she like
Oh,
goal, whatever. Yeah,
okay.
she's
Sorry. I feel, feel really behind here. Oh,
photos look beautiful. Very your vibe. If you've seen her flowers, very like, white, with the
Yes, I literally feel like it's my wedding, but she's got white roses instead of pink oh My god, I'm so I was so on trend two years ago
so
I just for anyone that doesn't know I had all jip with roses no foliage
pale pink, weren't they, and
yes,
Very, very, I feel like she looked at your wedding and said, That's
she was like That's it. I should be an influencer. That's
she was listening
So all I can say
looked
maybe and then she was like wow they literally are the same the arrangements and everything Oh my god! She's even got a white carpet runner! Oh my goodness.
right? She didn't go for the pink sparkly dress, though. Bad
Oh.
But yeah, her
Oh well.
and she actually, her wedding, her original wedding dress, she picked her wedding dress and then she went back to do a second fit in, decided I don't like that one anymore, so that became her evening dress. And then she
Oh well!
the same designer, who, yeah. One dress would cost a fricking,
Yeah. Fortune.
two. So yeah, insane. Stunning, stunning dresses, both of them to be fair. But it was at Merrydale Manor, where I haven't been there before. Nutsford.
Latsford.
I think it's up north.
Ah.
I don't know, actually,
I see all of her bridesmaids are in, wearing black.
Yes, they were. So
That's very,
wedding, black and
Yeah.
I was in Cheshire.
Quite like that. In Cheshire.
just in, yeah, near Cheshire so like Manchester kind of way.
Okay, yeah.
seen our bouquet? It's just all roses.
roses, yeah. It's like a massive handful of roses.
like what you,
Do you know what?
florist for this, if I'm
These, yeah, and do you know that those, they look simple, right? Those hand ties of where they're like a big ball of roses. They look very simple. They are not
Oh,
No, you have to really work hard to get that shape. It's actually very difficult. It's actually quite difficult. And also,
the florist now. Oh,
Also, they can be very heavy. It depends how you make them. You might want to wire some of the roses and things, because otherwise you get like the stems. Otherwise, It's the actual way you're holding it would become really thick and wide. So hers isn't that wide so I wonder whether they've wired some of them at all.
just got that eye, she's looking at her
Oh, I can just tell, you know, it's the years of experience in the professionalism. Yeah.
roses wilts or falls out, it's gonna look like shit. Yeah.
Oh my god, do you know what the worst thing is?
I've done a wedding years ago and it was like a compact bouquet and I don't know what happened to the bouquet but one of the, I think they'd obviously like nudged, like bashed it against something later on in the day and then one of the photos, like one of the flowers is just like, wink, to the side and I was like, that is so annoying you know, like I didn't want to use any of the pictures I was like, can you not see, like I was like looking at my bouquet the other day and anything that was like
out of place, I was like removing it, I suppose I would do but I was like, oh,
and
know, that would annoy me.
windy cloths, you don't want to use the pictures, do
Yeah, you don't want to use the photo so they're useless then.
I also loved her hair down look. Obviously
Yes,
because I had my hair down. Love
I love that. I love, I love the hair down Hollywood wave vibe. So
Also, I loved
timeless.
repurposing of flowers. So she had the flower meddles, meddles?
Medals?
She
Sorry?
meadows down the aisle, and then she had her centrepieces on pillars down the aisle,
Yeah.
I thought was a great shout.
that's good. I do that quite a lot with the big, with the big stands down the aisle.
Why
Yeah,
did have to repurpose her flowers after buying two dresses.
I would have thought so.
yeah.
not?
also saw it. Did you see the donks and the tucks?
Yeah,
We'll bypass
was a highlight. Actually, that is a highlight.
I don't know. I'm not sure. The fact that they have the little mini tucks on. Not
I, What
Yeah. I don't like
Not a big fan. Oh yeah, I forgot that. But would you have your cat? Hehehehe They would.
in cat hair and
Yeah.
They don't really
I feel like it's a very, it's a very Cheshire wedding, actually.
I mean, she's,
Yeah,
it in Vogue as monochrome, but it is a lot more white than black and white. Obviously, the
yeah,
and his, his party had black suits.
all black. Yeah.
the flower stands look black, I think, from the pictures for the
Yes. Yeah, they are. Yeah.
then, like you say, the bridesmaids in black, but yeah, other than that, she's gone very, like, all out white. Like even the dra even the room is draped and
It's draped him. Yeah, so I can see I'm assuming so the what the dress she wore in the evening the one that's got that like V cut. No, it's Actually, I can see why she would want to change that for day to evening. Yeah, it's not giving me like, it's not giving me like white wedding
not
of vibe. So
No.
yeah,
she went, which is mental because she then went very bridal.
yeah, it's all lace. And
picked it for her and said, I'll try
oh,
then, but they, I
wow.
best, don't they? Sometimes I think that that is actually a good idea. Just walk in and be like, what do you think
What do you think is gonna say? Yeah. Because they know don't they?
know. we go into listeners and messages?
Yes.
Do the first one?
Yes. So I've just had my wedding toil come in. And I'm in love.
this is
Plan.
for you to read it out. Cause is it, is it tweel or is it Tweel.
Toil? Toil? It's the material, isn't it? Yeah. Twll?
Yeah. I, I
Twll?
it earlier. It's like,
I think so.
Anyway.
and they're in love. I'm planning to use it for envelope liners and invites. Any other suggestions on where I could use it? It's so beautiful I want to use it as much as possible.
I think it's, I think in this instance, it's it's like that paper, you know, with the, it's the image. It's, because I know what you mean, I instantly thought of the fabric, but it's actually a repeat and pattern, which is
Oh,
I think in this case it's paper, because she's using it on her invites, unless it's
I was going to say for liners.
but I what I instantly thought was first off is make sure you take like like I don't know like an A3 size piece of it with a couple of your invitations and then give it to your photographer and your photographer will add in bits like your your shoes, your jewelry, and do a really beautiful flat lay. I love
Yeah, good idea. I love a flat lay. It's a real good opportunity to get those bits that you spent a lot of money on, i. e. your perfume or something like that, that you think no one's going to see and I've spent loads of money on it and I want to show it off and whatever. You can get a lovely flat lay of all of those bits and pieces like your rings and shoes.
layers. I've used them a couple of
Yeah.
old gram.
they were really nice. Yeah, I like those.
give her
I don't know.
any
Didn't really, yeah.
Yeah,
Oh,
yeah, that was one of the things, and I also thought, I was thinking earlier, was like a background for your signage. So, you could go
that's a nice idea.
do like an A1 frame, but
Yeah.
have the card as like A3, A4, like really small, really simple, like, welcome to the wedding of, and then
Yeah.
background. So, you actually don't.
So that's like the background. Yeah.
then.
Yeah. That's
they, people actually make this toil or whatever the hell it's called and they, like, so they get, like, little images of your venue, and like, maybe like the food you're having, all these different bits and make this really cool, like, repetitive print. It's
really, I've not heard of this. This is really cool.
on TikTok, but I've seen it exactly like she said, as like the lining for your envelopes and stuff. But yeah,
I love that.
have it made, like,
You could use it in your thank you cards and everything if you were planning on doing thank you cards or something like that
just on the outside of it
yeah
also I thought after the wedding when you have make your photo album You know, you have like that thin bit of tissue a bit
yeah
it have it printed
yeah and you know like when you get not maybe not an order of service but you know like you have the little tags that are reserved for so whoever i mean you could go to town put in them you know you could have like reserved that was reserved tags made in that
also thought, so the print that you're having done with all the little bits and whatever it is that you have, like I say, it would be like a miniature, like, of your venue or, I don't know, some shoes or the food you're having or whatever, and it's a
yeah
could then take, use those, get whoever's designed it to send you just the little images and use those on, like, your order a day board, so you
Yeah.
use the venue illustration and, like, you know, the shoes as, like, you could. Party, like your dancing shoes, kind of, you know.
Yeah.
quite a cool idea.
I, I like that, yeah.
there was part of me in my head that, I don't know why, but that print always reminds me of those, you know when you're a kid, the tea towels?
Oh, I know what you mean.
I was like, you could
Yes!
some tea
Oh
towels for
and you're just like a blob. Ha! Tito! That's
and then
funny.
them with
Yeah, I remember.
I don't know
I remember.
or whatever
It just came to your mind. That's funny.
me of those tea towels so I thought you could print some tea towels for the mums, for the nans.
What a lovely idea! I love that.
there's a few bits there. I think, yeah, just use it in your stationery as, as much as
I think, yeah, I think so.
means, whether she's had it designed and printed, like whether the paper or the fabrics just come in the post. Because I've seen two ways that people do it, these designers do it. You can either buy, like, a roll of fabric or a roll of paper or whatever,
Yeah.
they just send it to you, like, And then,
Oh, and then you can use it. Yeah.
I mean, you could go to town. You could use it as, like, then if you've got it electronically, like, the background
would be better, wouldn't it? Yeah, you could, there's so many things. Yeah. It's a cool idea though.
is cool. Yeah,
Yeah.
you a TikTok video of it. It is very nice.
Yeah.
Cool,
Congrats.
one of our avid listeners, bless her. She actually recently got married herself, so congratulations. So she messaged me actually, she messaged me with a link to another photo book. website for the
yes, yes.
comes out before I order my own. Well, yeah,
take out a new mortgage after buying that photo album.
know I'm not ordering that till hers come, because
Jesus.
cost. So anyway, so I asked her how her day went, and she said, So, she said she had an incredible day. She said, The only thing is, the main wedding coordinator for our venue was away at our wedding. She is the daughter of the owner, so I feel like she would have been all over things if she was there. Which, you definitely find that. I was saying that,
Yeah.
wedding. It's their house. So,
So they're, they're
want it to
yeah, I've done a few, I've done a few weddings, venues like that, where the, if they, if they own it, they're like on it.
definitely.
Yeah.
don't they?
Yeah, of course, yeah.
had a new coordinator. So I had a new coordinator who messed up slash forgot a few things So our MC
Oh,
in and make decisions Which I know wouldn't have happened if we had hired our own coordinator, but it didn't spoil the day So that's good. It didn't spoil the
well that's good, yeah.
a question for you Would you say anything to the venue now about stuff that didn't go a hundred percent? I'm also quite surprised the main coordinator hasn't emailed to say congrats. Hope everything went Okay, seeing as this is a new member of staff. What do you think? It's been five weeks now We had the most amazing day that really didn't spoil it
I mean, I feel like if you're questioning it, you should say something. I feel like if you're, if you're still thinking about it, it's been five weeks and it's obviously, although it didn't ruin your day, but it's something that you're kind of like thinking back on.
Yeah,
I
yeah.
feel like for your own peace of mind, I feel like you should say something, because I, Do you think they should have messaged or emailed to say congratulations, hope everything went well? I think that's just a professional kind of
thing I
Nice thing to do.
that up is not defended the venue at all, is that they, A, it's wedding season, so they
Yeah. No, that's fair. Yeah
busy, that's the last thing you're
Yeah,
and B, if this coordinator knows she's messed up, might not necessarily reach out because I always think as
Yeah, because I don't want to come back
for
Yeah
or ask for a Google
Yeah, you're like opening yourself up for criticism, aren't you if there is any yes, of course
you're right. I think you've got a, at the end of the day, people have to grow. And also, the way that I think of it is, and you're the same, right, when you've got your own business, I
Yeah,
to know. Like, if somebody that was working for me had messed up,
yeah
Because, for like, training
Well, that's how you, like you say, you grow and you
mean, they'd probably get the
go forward, don't you?
Because when it's your own business, you're on it, like we just said, like you're so passionate about it that you want everything to be perfect. So if I
Perfect.
I would, I would want to know,
Yeah.
in it as like a complaint because I always think, right, and I've seen this over many, many years, where people come back and I always think sometimes it can, I've had situations in the past when I've worked at like more budget venues and stuff, where
Yeah.
because they want money back
Yeah.
You almost feel a bit like, and obviously this isn't her case, she doesn't want money back, she just wants to raise it.
Which one's this? Yeah.
like, come on guys, it was your wedding day, don't be worrying about the little things. Because actually, if you start raising a complaint, something. I mean, I, like, the venues that I'm talking about that I used to work with, like, they would be, like, kicking off merry hell, so they got some money back. And you'd be like, really? Why would you want to taint your memories of your day with something? And,
Oh yeah.
is if you contacted them and said, look, X, Y, Z, and they maybe came back, like, you don't know how they're going to react. If they come back a bit defensive, or
Might make you feel a bit bad about things. And then you've, yeah. So your memories. Yes. Yes.
you've gotta go down it in a certain way and just be like, Look, you were amazing. Thank you so much. With the most incredible date, just a
Yeah, yeah,
that
I think that's the best way to approach it
and then you feel like it's off your, and then hopefully they'll come back and be like, Oh my god, I'm really sorry, like, thank you so much for letting us know that this is a great learning curve for us, or whatever. But, I think, don't go in as to be like, Oh, I'm really disappointed that, you know,
yeah like
it does then, if it gets sour, And I've
you're gonna feel bad about it. Yeah
It gets, like, sometimes they can complain, complain, come in, and you've both got different opposing opinions.
Yeah
it worse, and I think, jeez, like, you're now going away. Honestly, I've had people kick off in the past over the most minor, minor things, and I just
Wow,
Come
I really you that bothered. Yeah, it's your wedding day
agree that you should definitely say something, and
Yeah, so I think this is this is good to mention to the venue because it's a new coordinator so they're gonna want to know You The feedback they
would,
mean if they've got someone new
Yeah,
you need to they need to for their own Venue sake like otherwise, there's gonna be other weddings perhaps with the same problems
exactly.
problems. I guess if she's new but
Yeah, I think yeah, I think that that's what you want to do is just but it is weird that they haven't contact I would say it's probably either because it's summer so maybe either leave it a bit or yeah If it's really playing on your mind, I really want to know what these things are. I'm gonna message her back and ask her
Yeah,
miss?
tell, we want to know.
things like where she said like
But the MC had to step in and make decisions.
I
Yeah.
I mean, I always ask for a name, like, all of, I always ask for all the names, like, you're made of all the best men, bridal party, parents, and I always say, like, if there's a situation of the day, like, they will be my first port of call, instead of
Yeah.
I'll go to
Yeah.
look, this is a situation, what do you think, and I, and I've, and you know, I've done it over this summer, I've had those situations, and I've
Yeah, sure.
I think, Are you happy? And they're like,
If I, like, yeah. Yeah.
with that or whatever. But yeah, I suppose it just depends. I, what kind of decisions they're asking on is probably was an experienced thing and that they just didn't, she didn't feel.
like, teething problems innit, probably.
feel 100 percent confident, then so yeah, I would definitely mention it to get it off your back, but don't go in as
Yeah.
ooh, maybe do a phone call,
Yeah.
sometimes emails can just come
Can come across in a different way if you phone them
complaining,
so oh I had a really lovely day, you know start with that.
to complain. Some people would, some people would be kicking up
Yeah. Oh, yeah, absolutely yeah, but
because you're saying you've
No
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