Featuring Olivia O'Brien

We have a really daunderous conversation about life growing up in the public eye, social media, dating, her music, her latest tour, her EP episode season one, and so much more. I hope you guys enjoy. I was so excited during my podcast and I'm so excited we're doing this in person. Thanks for having me. Do you normally do zoom stuff? Is that what even doing lately? Or what was in person than pandemic and now it's like a mixture. So

I'm like seeing people in person just makes me so happy. Yeah, same, same. I'd love to tell to about social media. How do you find a balance? You have millions of followers on Instagram. I'm nineteen and for so many other people in my age, and for some it's fun, but it's also part of a business and it can sometimes be really difficult. It's really hard, and I pretty much have to be on social media. Like I've taken breaks before and just like send my photos to Max and been like you can

you post this? Um, it's weird. It's it's hard. I stopped editing my photos like I used to, like not like changing everything, but like I used to like use face two and like I don't really use it anymore, like I do. I mean, if I have a pimple or like, if something looks weird in a photo, I'm gonna edit it out. But I don't know. It's just like I'm trying really hard to have a healthy relationship with social media myself. It's I think it's a struggle.

It's kind of um an impossible task, or it seems very daunting because like you, literally the internet is dangerous. You have access to literally any piece of information about anything or anyone at any time pretty much, and even if it's not true, you can still probably find out something about something like people's conspiracy theories and like I don't know and and everyone's um, you can go down

a rabbit hole so fast. Yeah, Like I always see things about myself that aren't even true, and like that must be so annoying. It's like the weirdest feeling in the world. But I have just really been trying to not focus on anyone else but me when I'm on social media. Like that sounds not like in a selfish way, but like I don't need to go compare my likes to this person. Also, turning my legs off was really like I I really really liked doing that. I'm not

ashamed to admit it. I've deleted photos in the past, and it's just it's stupid. If you like a photo, just post it exactly when you turn the legs off, and you like, I don't even really check, Like I'm the only one that can see how many I get and I don't even check it because it's it still says like and others to me and my profile and you click on any looks like if I don't want to know, I don't even have to know. I haven't been on TikTok in a really long time. And maybe

it's add but I'm proud of myself for that. But I am um what's your favorite social media app? Because something that I know I've talked about in past episodes, but in college specifically, the main app that's used is Snapchat. Texting is not a thing. It's just snapchatting. And to me, I just I missed text and I wish I could delete Snapchat sometimes, but it's how everyone communicates. Yeah, that's such a like college and high school thing. I hate it.

I absolutely hate it. My best friend she is uh, she goes to school at um Pitzer, like forty five minutes away from here, and she's she came over. She sleep and sleeping my house for the past two nights, and she was like snapchatting this boy last night. And I'm like, dude, I haven't used snapchat in so long, Like I just don't use it. Whenever someone snapchats me, I'm very confused. Um, but it's such a college thing.

I know, it's terrible. I wish people could just text me or call me, just text me, I know, seriously, Like why it just seems like sus and weird and it reminds me of like middle school and it's not. It triggers me from high school. And I was like, did I just get out of here. Yeah, it's not

not the greatest. Um. I'd say my go to social media is probably TikTok, just because it's so easy to just waste so much time and and I feel like it's especially in the music industry, everyone's so obsessed with it right now, like let's make this a trend and blahlah ball and you feel like you're left out if you're not always on TikTok. Like there's so many weird trends that are always happening. It's like, I don't know, it's it's like there's always another one. It feels like

the like YouTube for people with really short attentions. Because is it hard writing music in such an time period when it's all about, you know, making sure that this goes viral, this blows up, but actually focusing on the art of it still. Honestly, when I'm writing, I don't think about anything except for what I want to say, um, because that's just how my best songs are made, and that's how I work as an artists, like always what

I've done since I was a little kid. Um. But you know, like the other day I wrote a song I was I just started writing going back into sessions pretty recently, um, after like me in my little tour and just I've been super busy with other things and I haven't really been writing. But I had two sessions last week, and the first one we wrote this song

and it was we were having so much fun. It was like a really great session and we finished a song and I was like, wait, like this, actually I could see like this being a moment on TikTok or something, and I was glad that I didn't have that thought until after we had already written the song. But like, that's kind of how it works. It's like, oh, I could see this happening, and then it's like after the song is done, I'm like, oh, what could I do

for this? But I also don't really like I it sucks to think like that, Like you don't want to be like, well, let's make a song that will but with the age we're living in, it's kind of hard not to think that way. Yeah. Yeah, but it's like I've never even like even before TikTok was a thing, um, I never wrote a song or wrote songs being like, well, let's try to get it as as top forty radio as possible so that we could get it like to sound as radio and cool, like I never thought like

that work. That's what I find so interesting and so kind of unique about your career is that it just started with that one song I Hate You, I Love You,

and it wasn't about blowing up. It was just about writing and using that as therapy, which is so special, and it just just goes to show like art can speak alone for itself exactly, and that's what I've been trying to, like not necessarily trying to replicate, but I don't want to ever like be like, oh and you know their head and their head, I need to write a hit, because that's not how I Hate You, I

Love You happened. Yeah, it's not how anything like you know. Yeah, I just want to you know, make stuff that I'm proud of and that I like, and um, stay true to myself, and that's more important to me than anything else. What was your favorite experience playing so far, Like, have you had a certain performance that's that as your mind is like your favorite. I think Lollapalooza was really special because it was my first real show back after um

the Pandemic, and it was just incredible. There was so so many more people than I thought would be there. It was really really hot and like kind of excruciating, but it was really fun. So um yeah, that was just like a great weekend. It was kind of like my my introduction back into the world of performing and just festivals in general. Um, and it was it was really great and memorable. But I think all my performances

are special for different reasons, you know. Like it's kind of like asking me what my favorite song of mine is, Like I don't really have one, because like I like them for all all for different reasons, you know. And also like each performance is a different audience and you get like a different energy and I make a different mistake. What happens when you do and make a mistake on stage, because I cannot imagine do you just like embrace it and then just go forward or do you just kind

of skip past it. I always I pretty much always pointed out like I'm always like oh sorry, guys, or like I just like I'm like fuck. I think people forget that everyone's human, and then when people funk up on stage, it's like, yeah, they are. That needs to

think be celebrated more than anything else. I think I try to make it a point to like show the fact that I am very imperfect whenever I can, because I don't ever want anyone It's not just like, it's kind of multiple things, like I don't want to have to uphold some perfect image that I know I'm never gonna be. And I also, you know, want everyone to know that nobody's perfect and they don't have to be perfect. E there. You know. It's kind of like a bunch

of different things. It's something that I love about performances. I don't know if you've ever seen Julie Michaels live, but it was one of the best performances I've ever seen. It's like when artists talk to the audience and just have fun with it like you do, it makes you feel like you have a connection with the people that are there, and it just makes you experience so much more enjoyable. Yeah. Yeah, I don't want to ever feel

like I'm like a robot. And just like some people, I feel like the only thing that they change in their set at each city is like hello in different city here, and like I always try I have like this this uh tour that I most recently just did, I did my California shows in like week. But um, it's like the closest thing I've ever had to like something kind of scripted, Like I have things that I say, but I still kind of try to mix it up

a little bit because keep you on your toes. Yeah, because I I don't know, it's hard for me to do the same thing every single night I want it gets boring and too Like I do want to make it personal to whoever is there, Like I don't want every single person to get the exact same thing and they know exactly what they're getting and then it's not special,

you know. And I know you've talked about like being in creative threats and all that, and they creative threats are so underratedly terrible and not discussed because enough because a few months ago I was in a really bad creative right, probably the first one I've ever truly experienced. And I look at YouTube videos like how to get out of creative rent, and there is nothing. It happens all the time. Um, sometimes I there's nothing I can

really do to get out of it. I just kind of cancel all my sessions and try to go live my life. That's usually what I do is I just try to experience things. I try to not work and not force myself to work sometimes if it's if it's been a really long time and I'm just kind of used to like having writer's block. Like the other day a couple weeks ago, I was like starting to write by myself in my studio again, and I just forced

myself to write like eight songs. Um Like I would go in every single day and just like write a little song by myself. Didn't ask me good, Yeah, don't have to be good, just like as a little exercise. Like so if you really are stuck and you know you need to start being creative again, you just kind of have to force yourself. And if it's bad, it's bad. But once you get kind of back into the rhythm of it, like it'll start feeling normal again and then

you'll get more inspired. But for the most part, I just like to go out and live my life and meet people and try to get inspiration from wherever I can, because like that's that's just how it works for me. Look, that's what your songs are. They're about your life. So the best way to be inspired is to live your life.

What's your favorite part of songwriting. I like how it just kind of acts as a therapy for me and I can say whatever I want, um, and a lot of times, like I'll be too afraid to tell someone something to their face, but I can always write a song about it. That's awesome. What an awesome outlet to have. Great, it's amazing, and it kind of it can help me

realize things. And it's also like every time I go in and especially when I work with a top lener that I really love, like another writer, Um, it's like having therapy because I should tell them what we're going to write about, like to tell them about everything that's been going on with my life, and I'll realize so

many things. Like my last session that I had, I even told her, I was like, this feels like therapy right now because we were going over just everything that I've done in the past week and how I was getting over this guy and I realized like that and she made me realize, like I'm that I don't love this kid. Like it was like crazy. I was. I was saying, They're like, wow, this is a very clarity, very deep session we're having right now. But it was great.

It was awesome, so Um, yeah, I mean it's it's also nice that I get to do this as a job because it's something I would be doing regardless if you weren't a singer or if you weren't an artist who was putting their music out there. What do you think you'd be doing, Um, I'll probably be either a

lawyer or a psychologist. Like being interested in psychology has helped me with my song writing a law because it's like analyze people and it makes me like think deeper about what I'm writing, about what I want to say, and how I feel about other people and how they feel about me, and it gives me more concepts and it's cool. I think that's so interesting. Something that we actually have in common is that I also have O

c D and struggle with anxiety. And when I heard you talking about it, I was like, Man, more people should talk about it because I feel like there's such a stereotype like if you have O c D, like you just like to have everything clean and organize. It's like, no, it's different for everybody. For me, it's like I never even would have thought that I possibly could have O c D until I got diagnosed. Because people are so

wrong about what it is and it can be. Yes, some people with o c D love to have everything clean and a lot of time, but it's not. Yeah, and like, especially if you have like O c D and a d h D, like that's so hard because you don't have the eni span to like clean and make your life perfect. But then it piss you off that it's not perfect, but then you can't fix it because it's so distracted and you're doing it all these days. I don't know, it's just like, yeah, anxiety disorders are

really so annoying. Yeah, and they're also really complex, Like I think they all are very similar, but then they're different. So it's like and everyone reacts to it differently, everyone perceives differently exactly. My sister has OCD two, so it's like and we both just got diagnosed. And it's crazy because I've been going to therapy and seeing psychiatrists since I was a kid, so like I should have been but they were just like we were depressed, you anxiety whatever, whatever.

And then it took a long time with me actually explaining. And then I also started talking to my friends about like you know, intrusive thoughts and random things and I'm like, did this happen to you guys? And they're like no. And I always thought that that happened until I started actually asking people about it. I hate it therapy for a while because my my mom like kind of forced me to be in therapy. I would think I was

around eight two was when my parents were separated. My mom was like, I need to put them in therapy. My mom like loves therapy and she's the biggest advocate for therapy. But you got to be ready to do. Yeah, if you don't want to go, you're not going to get anything out of therapy if someone's forcing you to go. Like I would sit there and I wouldn't talk because I didn't know. I didn't want to talk. I didn't know what I wanted to say. I didn't know why I was even there. Like it was, it was just

not beneficial to me at all. It was wasting an hour of my week every week. It took me a while of realizing like, Okay, I actually want to go to therapy and I want to help myself. This is the first time in my life that has actually been beneficial to me. Because I decided that I wanted to go and I made the active decision, and that's when I got my diagnosis and when everything started to make sense and I got a medication, and now I'm doing so much better because I wanted to do better. You know,

there's something very special. I know special is an interesting word to is, but I'm going to use it anyways. About when you get diagnosed, everything, at least for me, it just clicks. I've just went through so many life experiences and it all made sense. You go home and google literally everything about it, and you're like, does this have to do with my O c D? And you're like, oh my god, and it makes you feel less alone.

But you've got to be ready for it. But I think one of the things that I've learned for me at least is that I wouldn't be who I am if I don't have anxiety. If I don't have O c D, it wouldn't have I wouldn't be talking to you right now, frankly. And I think I'm trying to find the good parts in it and then what sucks?

It's making me who I am? Yeah, and I think it makes I think having an anxiety disorder like makes you a little bit more of a complex thinker because you're always thinking about literally everything, and I know that's such a like it sucks and there there's no I'm just relating to you right now. I'm just trying to find a solverligning is like it's like, okay, well, I still don't want an anxiety disorders because it makes me

a deep thinker. But like it's a nice, cool little side of it, like you know what different integay, Yeah, and and I agree it's I mean, but that's with everything in life you're you wouldn't be who you are without every single part of you, and it all, it all makes up the big picture, right, So yeah, I like to look at I like to look at it that way as well. Okay, we have to take a quick break, but when we come back, I want to talk more about your music, tour and so much more.

We'll be right back and we're back. I will say. One thing I love about your projects and you as an artist is that you're so versatile. Like Seasons episode one, it just shows the difference in the styles you like, and that's so incredible in itself. I like a lot of different things. I like a lot of different genres of music and also different TV shows. I'll go through phases where I'm super into a certain kind of music

or certain show. Yeah, but but then I think, and then when I move on from that, or like I'll start dressing differently, But I still like how of all the other parts of me and the other phases within my personality and within who I am. So I feel like I can kind of be everything all at once, and I don't ever want to put myself into a box of like, oh, I have to make songs at all sound like this because this is what people want from me, or oh I can only have this aesthetic

because everyone thinks that this is my thing. Like, no, you can literally if you like the whole The most beautiful part about living in the time that we live in is you can be and do anything that pretty much anything that you want now hear me at But I think it would be so cool if one of the songs he wrote on Seasons was actually put in a TV show. That would be that would be pretty cool. Yeah, that would be pretty cool. When is season two coming out? Um? Seasons? Um,

That's a great question. I don't know. So basically what happened right now is um or what's happening right now is that are my labels in like a very transitional period. We are president left and basically like everyone that I've worked with on on the team at my label is gone. They've either and laid off or quit and move like went to another years stock. Yeah, not the best, and it's happened. This is like the this will be the third president that I've had at my label, so five

five years, six years almost. Um, that's frustrating. Yeah, it's a little frustrating. But um, the new presidents, there's gonna be two of them that are working together, and they start on January one, so after that I'll be able to you know, kind of regroup with them and um hopefully put something out. The plan originally was like I'm gonna put out UM season one and then season two is going to come really shortly after. It was really really frustrating at first because all I wanted to do

was put it out. I've had these songs for literally years, Like a lot of these songs UM on season two are like two years old or more like really really crazy when you write songs so many years ago, like you grow as a person and you're like I kind

of want to shut that era out and start something new. Yeah, and I want to now I'm still writing, and that's the that's the problem is I'm still writing, and I'm liking everything that I'm writing, And it's like, am I going to boot out all these songs that I know are really good that I've had for two years because I want to show the world these new things that

are more representative of who I am now? And like that's not funny either, because then I have these old songs that are really good, and then you're proud of and then I'm proud of him. That would be something amazing that I just don't want to put out anymore because I've moved on from it. It just sucks. It's like, just take so long for anything to happen. I wish I could just write a song and just put it out like it don't make my life so much easier

and be kind of iconic if he did that. Though people don't understand how people only see the finished product. They don't understand really everything that goes into it. It's it's a lot, and it sucks. Like, let's talk about sociopath for a secon You're wearing the hat. So it's reminding me you did a full like horror movie that which is so sick by the way things I thought out. It's not just about like writing a song and putting

it out. There's whole coordination that happens too. You know, have him and come out Jordan Jordan Fisher told me, like when he was filming a movie, people just see the finished product. People don't see going on set, the working that editing and everything that takes to put something out.

You have to kind of have a plan before you do anything with music, like you have to come up with a concept, especially with visuals, like with music videos and cover art if you're doing singles before the project. It all kind of has to be cohesive. There's been times I've put stuff out thinking that it's going to be one way, and then I'll completely change everything and

then it's like this is different. So it's hard. It's like you have to be like preemptive and I'm not like whenever I'll have an idea for something and be like this is it is going to be the best thing ever, and then we'll wait months for it to come out, and by the time that it's like I've switched. I'm like, oh, I don't want to call it that anymore. I want to call it this because I have a

better idea. And it's like, well, you just put this stuff out without that concept, and they're going on the projects, so like, what are you gonna do? I'm like, I don't know, I'll figure it out. How are you doing being twenty one and my brother's a You're balancing so much a career, just growing up, like all of it. How are you balancing all of it? Because I feel like it's it's not easy and we need to recognize that because having millions of people look at what you

do all the time is not a normal thing. Yeah. I mean, I'm definitely doing a lot better than I was. I had to grow up really fast when I was really young. So um like I was sixteen when I moved to l A. And as soon as I got here, I realized people aren't very nice. Just like in high school everyone's mean, but in l A. It's another level. There are another breeds out here. Yeah, and I you know, I was used to like high school mean girls and their guys are mean too, but it's different because people

are nice to your face. But then or the people will go actually out of their way to plot on your fucking downfall out here. It's crazy like they will they will like plot and scheme like they will make up plans to like make you like it's it's it's frightening. It's truly frightening. Like they'll say things to you like

it's like it's it's literal manipulation. It's insane. Um. So I hope you cut those people out of your life, but it's you can't fully ever cut anyone out here because you'll see them out so and I don't want to ever have beef with anyone or be fighting with anyone. So I always just kind of people that I that have done me wrong a lot in the past. I just kind of keep them in an arm's length because I don't want them. I don't want to be on their bad side. I don't want them on like I

don't want to have bad blood with anyone. But there's some people that you just can't have in your life, and you can't forgive because they're going to keep doing the same thing over and over and over and over again. But I've tried to really make it a point to not to not have that bad blood with anyone because it's just not there's no point. It's just we don't

need that energy exactly. Um, but I think I've just it's just it takes time to just learn how to what works best for you in terms of balancing everything in your life. And I've been out here for a while and I'm just kind of finally getting into the groove of things about a house. I have my little like pets. Yeah, I have a dog. He's a Toyllion Shepherd. That's very cute. I missed my dog the best. But I recently started seeing this guy who was fifteen dogs

fifteen dogs my wife. That's weird. It's really the same kind of dog or like he like saves them from Like you got a guy who saves poppies in his free time. That's good job, Olivia, thank you. I have you written any songs yet about this person? One kind of Okay, we have to take one more quick break, but when we come back, let's talk more about life, dating and a lot more. We'll be right back and we're back. I'm still trying to figure out like the

whole dating situation. I hate that dates aren't a thing anymore. Well, actually, I've been with this guy. He's been taking me out on a bunch dates, which is really sweetly. He'll come and pick me up and take me to dinner and stuff, the bare minimum we should have. Like, oh my god, I don't work. I'm telling my friends all these things that he's doing, and they're just like, wow, that's so cute and so amazing. But I'm like, this is what

we all should be getting. Yeah, like he's setting the standard really high for everyone else, but it's because the bar is so flow already right now. So um yeah, that's the song that I wrote about him, is about how like he's putting all the other guys that I've ever talked to to shame because he like actually is nice to me. Um, but that like, yeah, it's it's well, my problem is that I never I always liked the guys that are mean or not mean, but you know,

kind of asshole guys. There's something like appealing about it. I was like, I was talking to my friends, like guy in writing me over at like not at like five pm. I was like, oh my god, not like eleven pm, and they're like that shouldn't be something you should be like excited about. It's like a basic thing.

I'm like, yeah, my only advice to you is find someone smart because and an aspect, just someone that you street smart, academic smart, like they don't have to be academic smart, just like someone that when you talk to them, you feel like your brain and their brain are on the same level. Like whatever I'm if I'm dating someone who I don't think is as intellectually capable as I am and not and like I'm I don't think I'm like a genius. Like I've obviously met people that I'm like, Okay,

this person's way smart. I need to leave. But you want to feel like you're kind of on the same level as them because you'll understand life at like a similar place. Also, like it's you. You don't have to like stop and wait for someone to figure something out, and it's it's it's like a banter thing to like when you talk to them, you want to be able to make sure that they understand your jokes and you understand their jokes and things that you say. You don't

want there to be any miscommunication. That's I think it's not even just intelligence, it's just like the way that their brain works. But that's the most important thing in any relationship that I've realized, because I only ever like people when we're able to really talk about important things, like I don't care if people are hot anymore, which is like sad. Know that that is not sad. It's about that's like hot, like looks at a temporar anything, Like,

let's be honest about that. And also, anyone can be hot. It's really not that hard, but it's anyone can be like at least mediocreally hot, exactly. Not everyone can have a good personality, and not everyone can be smart, and not everyone can be funny. Something I've learned about myself is that I don't like cleaniness. I like people that are independent, independent and are driven and like to do

their own thing. Yeah, because something I'm realizing is that people follow my Instagram, which it's not I'm not verified, I don't not have millions and there like, oh my god, it's like you know famous people, and I'm like like no, like what that's a red flag. It's also very um because like I get what I do is so peculiar and I get it's not normal for my age, but at the same time, I don't like then that's all

people want to talk about. Yeah, you have to have someone that's and I I deal with that all the time of like, that's why it's hard for me to date people Like That's why I always date guys that are like assholes, because they're they understand in the entertainment industry.

They understand what I do, so they're not like, yeah, they're not like intimidated by the fact that I have a really crazy, weird job and I'm on the road all the time and I make more money than most twenty one year old and like I it's it can be kind of emasculating for a lot of guys if they don't feel like they're as successful as you, even if it's even if you don't see it that way, they may see it that way as it just like their own personal insecurity thing, because you know, society tells

us the boss aspect. Society tells us that we're supposed to you know that men are supposed to be the breadwinners and they're supposed to be like the big strong man that has the better career. And it it really has like taking a toll on a lot of people.

Um like a lot of guys mentally because they don't think they're good enough if their woman is like strong or see, they like it's it's complicated, but it just sucks because it makes me feel like I can't date guys that don't aren't like in my industry or at least as successful as me. But then I don't want to measure success in any way, like success is what

you make it that's not in the industry but understands it. Yeah, and that's like the guy that I'm talking to right now, he's not he's not in the music industry at all or entertainment, and he's like he like works in banking. You have finance, bro. But it's been really nice. He has the same job as my dad actually, which is like, like he's a c f A, which is weird. And uh, they're the same exact tight and they're both the youngest of they both have four older siblings. They're the youngest

in their family. That's weird, and there's like a bunch of weird things. Yeah, it's like, but I don't it's it's very strange feeling with that. Um. But yeah, it's been nice to like because he gets it and he's friends with a lot of people that I know, and he's been around like he gets it, but he's not in it and he doesn't I don't know, it's just knows it from a distance but doesn't like especially someone

that doesn't want to be in it. I'm like so over the whole just it's complicated and I haven't even started. I started. Yeah, it's complicated, and you're going to face that a lot as just like a strong independent woman that you know has career driven, like you're gonna you're gonna face a lot of and secure boys that are gonna Yeah, so you just have to learn what to what to spot. It's okay, I'll just listen to your songs and I just perfect. I'm still figuring it out myself.

So we'll see, why, aren't we all? Isn't that the journey were never ending? It really is. Do you have any hobbies you like to do in your free time? Right? Besides that, I went through a phase where I made friendship bracelets. I used to be obsessed with making friendship bracelets. It's kind of therapeutic to just like check out and just tie a bunch of knots. Yeah, I don't have to use my brain because especially as someone who has

O c D, like like a focusing on something. But then that's the other problem is I also a d h D. So I can't like I get overthink like I'm not. Sometimes it's hard for me to take a moment to actually once I start. If I sit down and I do something hard, I can't get starting. It's I just can't bring myself working out. Yeah, oh god.

But sometime once I start working out, I'll work out and it'll I'll love it, and I'll go like for a couple of like a couple of weeks, I'll like work a couple of days a week and I'll go with my friends. And then if I stop, I'm never going back. But that's the other thing with like I'm also I think my CD makes me more of a perfectionist. So I have this trouble of like I don't want to do anything unless and really good. You know. So

something that I really enjoyed. I started listening to Bob Rass videos to go to sleep, and I said, you know what, I went to Bob Ross Incorporated dot com. This is not an AD, but I got his painting kit and I watched his YouTube videos and I am obsessed with me Boba's painting. I learned how to use oil paint, and it's such a good distraction for my mind. So yeah, little things like little crafts and things like that are so Yeah. Sewing is fun. I used to

work my first quote unquote job. I was unpaid in turn when I was like eight years old, and my ripped seems in a dress shop in Noa. Honestly, what's kind of. When I was ten, I created a business called Sammy J Designs where I made bags and sold them fun. I think you're just You're just a businesswoman, just an ultimate girl boss. It's hard to find people also that just like are driven as well, so it's nice to like especially talk to like minded people where

it's all about working and just doing what you love. Yeah, Olivia, thank you for coming on my podcast. I really enjoyed talking with you. Thanks for having me big sister vibes. Oh god, don't even feel old. No, you're you're my brother's age, your older brother's age. So care for our older sister. Okay, I'll take it. Only a couple of years, only only two years, Like, It's well, I do turned twenty two in a month, so oh my god, have your really birthday. Thank you. We need to look out

for each other, especially just as girls in general. Like it's scary out there, really is. Thank you so much, thank you, Thank you guys so much for listening to this week's episode of Last Week World Podcast Olivia. Again, thank you so much for coming on. I hope you enjoyed it. Subscribe to the podcast if you haven't already, follow Olivia O'Brien on all of her socials, and I'd lovely if you followed me my Instagram's It's Sammy J. That's I T S S A M M Y j A y E. And I will see you guys next

week with another episode. Bye.