Featuring Madison Beer

supporting girls, and so much more. I hope you guys enjoy. Yeah, Addison, I am so excited that you are on my podcast. It's Friday. First of all, Happy Friday. I have no idea what day of the week it is or what planet I'm on anymore, So Happy Friday, I guess, no clue I know, But I mean, you're going on tour so soon, leaving tomorrow. How do we feel about this? Very excited, nervous. I'm like the most happy excited I've been in so long, and I'm just like, I really

can't wait. It's been a very very long time since I've toured or like done a concert, um, and I've just been in rehearsals for the past month. So I can't believe it's here, and I'm really really excited. What are you looking forward to most? Um? I think it's like I've done. You know, I did a concert live stream when my album came out. Um, I did. I've done like a few things here and there, but I haven't performed any of this album or these songs for

my fans. So I think just like finally singing them with them is going to be really magical and awesome. And um, I think that's probably what I'm the most excited for, is to just like hear them sing these songs back to me. It's really cool, going to be really cool. Like you said, you did the live stream performance, but there's nothing like a live audience and getting that like immediate feedback. What is that feeling like when you're just on stage people know the words what you've written

relating to your experiences. Yeah, I mean it's a it's a really special thing. It's something that like you can't I don't know think, especially that I haven't done it

in so long. I really don't take it for granted, not that I did before, but you know, it's like I can't believe I'm able to actually get back out there with them and do this, you know, And it's really surreal because we've we've been through in a global pandemic for the past year and a half and now we're finally returning to a sense of normalcy and getting to actually see humans in person again. It's like Theies

all over again. Yeah, it's really wild, I think. I think it's also just like a lot of this music came out during Quarantine, during the heype of it all, So I think that like just having that connection that we've had online in real life for the first time, it's going to be really special. Because I just I did a radio show two months ago now, and there was only like a hundred people in the crowd, not all of which were my fans, like some of them

were there for other people or whatever. And I was immediately crying when people started singing my song back to me, even it was just like fifty people. So I can't imagine how it's going to feel when it's a whole venue of people there for me. You gotta docu meant that, like, do you have a diary or like a journal to write Steven? Yeah, yeah, And I'm gonna have a I'm gonna do like video tour diaries. I think, um, like

every once a week hopefully we'll get them out. But we're gonna we're gonna document as much as we can. I think it's going to be really special and I want to make sure all of it is documented in there. This album, you know, it got postponed first because of COVID, and then it got postponed again. But it's been out for a while. What has it been like creating art during such a surreal time period in all of our lives. Has it made it more difficult or has it helped

your creative process? Would you say? Um? I think that at first it was kind of this obviously like bummer of a thing, and I was just like, damn my, you know, album has to be postponed and tour and everything, and it was kind of just this like heavy thing

at first. But I tried to, as I do with most things, like find the positive through line I can, and that was, you know, getting to spend time my fans that I wouldn't have otherwise, which was like going on live streams and talking to them and just you know, having a more like honest dialogue between us. I was able to just like talk to them and it was really special and I'm really happy that I was able to do that. But to answer your question, I yeah, I mean I think that it didn't really hinder or

like motivate me creatively. It was kind of just like weird that I couldn't do in person music sessions or writing sessions. But it also you know, gave me the ability to like want to write on my own and like not need a whole crew of people with me. And it definitely made me a better writer in a lot of ways. And um, yeah, it taught me so much. I I but I wouldn't say it like hinder the

process too too much. What would you say the biggest lesson you've learned about yourself through quarantine and just past a year and a half, Um, I mean I learned a lot about myself. I um did a lot of like self reflection and just like you know, I just wanted to get to a place where I was like, Okay, we have you know, a month whatever it is. Obviously at the time, I didn't know how long it was

going to be. But remember when it was two weeks. Yeah, literally and people, O, my god, we're gonna be obst for two weeks and I know another break. It's it's crazy and I think that like I haven't really had time the last ten years that I started this to like slow down and you know, just decompress and be like who are you? What? What? Like? What are you what? Who?

What makes you tick? Like just really doing like a deep dive by myself, I think was really important to me and it ended up being really like worthwhile and I'm so happy that I was able to do that. But um, it was definitely still like a lot um. I think I'm someone who relies on other people or I used to at least for a lot of my happiness, and yeah, you know that was at first really difficult to stay happy, um and not slip back into like

a severe depression. So I think also just learning how to like self soothe and be on my own and not rely on others was huge for me. So I'm you know, I'm grateful for for what it did provide and give to me, And like you said, like it's for me. Also, I have a struggle of anxiety my entire life. In a very isolating situation. It can be kind it could get bad fast if you're also have anxiety or depression everything. Yeah, and distraction can just be

your best friend. Was there a certain show that you watched during quarantine that just helped get you through? It feels like such a fever dream that I don't really even remember anything I did. I know I watched like Tiger King and like whatever, all those viral things everywhere we're watching. But I honestly, like I swear, I spent nine of my time like on live streams talking to my fans. Like that's what really I guess distracted and

took up a lot of my time. Was I was like, how can I get to, you know, know them better than I already do, and like how can I create this genuine friendship with my fans? Like I've never had this much time to just sit and talk to them and like have fun and just chat um ever and so it was. It was really fun. We had We made the best of it what we could, so we had a good time. Yeah, you're You're so right. This entire year and a half has felt like a fever dream.

I think you you just put it perfectly. Yeah, I was. I was seventeen going the pandemic and now I'm now and I was a junior. Now I'm a freshman in college. What yeah, I was. I literally had just celebrated my like twenty first birthday. My birthday's March fits. It was like the last thing to happen prior to like lockdown,

like a week before lockdown. Literally, so I had like this party and then it was locked down, and so I went to New York and so I yeah, I literally entered quarantine twenty one and now I'm like almost twenty three. Really weird. What is the past year and a half. I don't I don't know. It's really wild. It's like it's it's hard to realize that we're also

like living through such an historical time. It's like, you know, we read about this in school that happened, and we're like, oh, well, like nothing like that's ever happened to us or in our time, but this will be the time and in life that gets taught in schools one day and people will be like, wow, those people live through a pandemic, Like how crazy? What was that? Like? My answer, I don't know. I still don't know. No, I'll be talking to my grandkids. I'll be like, yeah, no, clue No

mentally blocked it out a long time ago deleted. Something that I've been forgetting is to like give ourselves like more grace that we are going through still such a fucked up time period, just in general, um, that we all need to just be nicer to ourselves, which is it can be hard to do because we've gotten so normal to this being the new normal. I've tried telling that to some of my friends who are in college or you know, my my brother, for example, graduated his

senior year on Zoom whatever same. But people people like that, I try to explain to them, like, it's okay if you feel sad about this and you mourn something huge that you had worked you know, all of high school up to and whatever, like, it's totally I think that that's where a lot of people got it a bit wrong to me was when people were like, oh, um, you know, we should all be like try to make the best out of this. I'm like, yes, for sure, always I think you should try to make the best

out of situations. But without being said, I think validating your emotions and experienced with this happening and feeling feeling robbed of certain things is valid and I and I would hate to see I think it just drives you into more of like a negative space when you're like invalidating your own experiences. And I think that it's okay to like, like I had to validate that to myself. I had to be like, it's okay that you're upset that your tour got canceled. That's a really valid thing

to be upset about. And um, you know, my little brother came to me and he was like, I feel almost guilty for feeling sad that my senior year got canceled, because you know, there're obviously are people who are dealing with much worse things like family members passing away and like people in the hospitals and things like that. And of course, I think that's great that he acknowledged that

that's going on. But I think it's important to still be able to like be like, well, I'm still having a hard time, and um, I just yeah, I was. I thought it was sweet that he like obviously was thinking about other people. I think that that's like such a great quality. But also you have to you have to validate your own experiences and you have to be able to be like I'm going through something weird and hard, and still to this day, you know, people are and we are and um you know zoom and all that

stuff is still really really new to us. And I think it's it's really important for your mental health to take a second and be like, this has been a fucking weird, hard year and a half. Now, Like it's okay to feel weird about it, and it's okay to like more in your you know, the last two years of your life. It's okay. I feel that because I feel like I've done that too, where I don't want to. I'm sure many other people listening can relate like people

are going through so much worse. At the same time, it doesn't make what we're going through less valid, which I think is an important reminder. And I think also with the pandemic, the way we've kept in touch is through social media. I've struggled just balancing a healthy relationship with social media my entire life. I'm sure you get this what you also have to think of it as a business. But the same time, like I'm nineteen years old, I'm a nineteen year old girl in social media can

just get so toxic so fast. Have you found a way to manage that balance or is that still something you're working on. Um. I think it's like a forever like ever evolving process for me. It changes also, like with my mental state. It like sometimes I can, you know, allow myself to scroll on TikTok for five hours and just be like whatever, I'm fine, And then other days it will send me into a panic attack and I

just don't want to even a lot. So I think it depends on my mood, it depends on what's going on in my life. But I'm really good. I've you know, I see a therapist twice a week who's amazing, and I work really diligently about like knowing when I should indulge in that and when I shouldn't, and like when it's worth it and when it's not. And I feel like I'm good about trying to be self aware. Also so sorry if my voice is so raspy. I've been singing like every single day in rehearsals and I feel

like I sound like, No, you sound great, you sound great. Um. But yeah, like if I'm feeling like shit and if I've had a long day and if I feel stressed and insecure and like I don't want to read what a million people have to say about me. I just I just create that barrier in that boundary. And I'm like, no, we're not going to sit on social media tonight because I know that if I see something or if I

read something, I'm gonna fucking feel like shit. So I think it's important to just listen to your mind and your heart and your body. And if you're heart in mind is telling you like, hey, maybe tonight it's not the best night to do this, then you just should like listen. Do you know what's really helped? I saw the Social Dilemma? Did you ever see that? Terrifying? Oh? Yes,

it's terrifying. And so after watching that doc, I turned off notifications for all social media except Gmail because I have to use that, and I they've stayed off ever since I've watched it. And it's actually great because I only go on when I want to go on and not want to get an alert that someone wants to contact me, right right, Yeah, I have. I mean, like I can show you I literally have. My social media

is all or like dark. You know, they all have time on them, so like you open Instagram and it's just I have to I have to bypass that. If I want to use Instagram today, I need to click ignore limit, which then gives you like, okay, do you want to ignore it for a minute or fifteen minutes or ignore it for the whole day. And I'll never

ever click ignore it for the whole day. But like, it's it's nice that I have to kind of like have these checkpoints of not just because you know, it's I think like as young people, it's like we just naturally go to Twitter and we'll just scroll on Instagram or whatever it is, and I think that it's like important for people to like have this checkpoint that's like okay, TikTok, do I want to bypass this? Yes or no? And you have to actually like log in your head these

these time limits. Like I I feel like I used to also look at my screen time and it was like hours and hours and hours that I spent on social media and I'd be like, what, yeah, that's so much of my life and my time, and I'm just like this is terrible, like horrible. So at least when you have themers, you're like logging it, you know, you're like, hey, that was only fifteen minutes that was minutes. I'm definitely

gonna explore the time limit thing. I uh my software of high school, my anxiety was like the worst it ever got um and social media just got so toxic. And on a winter break, I shot off my phone completely for two weeks and I was like, if my friends want to contact me, they can call my home phone. And I was spending like thirteen hours on my phone a day, and I had so much extra time. I taught myself the ukulele because I was like, I don't know what to do with this extra time in my life.

Good for you, that's I think that's amazing, and I think that it's really like dope that you had that like inner dialogue to tell you, hey, like let's let's chill, Like it's too much. A lot of people don't have that, and so it's that's really that's awesome. Okay, we have to take a quick break, but when we come back, let's talk more about your experience with social media and the impact it's had on your min health. I also want to talk about your passion about being a mental

health advocate, your new music, and so much more. Yeah, I can feel myself starting to go down the not so great feeling of social media. Again, for everyone listening, please remember at the highlight reel, it is not anyone's life at all. I think it's a yeah, I mean, I think it's crazy we even have to say that, Like I think that it's like you should just know of course people are only putting out what they want you to see and like they're only their best and um,

it's not it's it's it's not reality. I try to I try to remind my fans and like just people

who follow me that as much as I can. Where I'm like, you guys do know I don't look like this all the time, right, you guys are fully aware that, Like I spent two hours in here and makeup before I took this selfie and like whatever it might be, Um, I think it's so important, Like people need to just understand that, especially even I've found it's not not even really the like people who post selfies really look super fire all the time and stuff like that. That gets

to me. It's more like I found myself for a really long time looking at people's relationships and people's lives, being like, well they seem like they're so happy all the time, and they're traveling and this person they're dating, they seem so happy with them, and da da da da da. And I was always comparing like my relationships

to that. But in reality, like a lot of the couples you see posting online that are like the happiest couples ever, like fighting NonStop and like have issues and they're not posting like, hey, me and my boyfriend has gone to a fight like this. It's just not reality. So I think it's it's super important to just take everything with a grain of salt and really trying not to compare your life or relationships to you know, any

of that. It's just it's just not worth it. It's really not ingradius on the pot and he kicked up and he said something to me that, like I've just been thinking ever since you was You're right where you're supposed to be. You're not behind anybody, you're not ahead. You're on your own journey and that is where and that's true for all of us for sure. Yeah, that's like I hate anything comparison, Like I'm just like, no, do not compare yourself to each other, like only one

of you. You're on your own path. Yeah, there's only one of you, and like you were here on this planet, I believe to fulfill like your own ship, not anyone else's.

Don't compare your life to anyone else's. Um. I think also like it's hard being our age now because like you see kids our age like who are millionaires and who are super successful and who are just like running companies, and you're like, what the fuck, Like it's really hard to not compare, Like I have friends who are um my age and who will be like, I feel like I'm a failure because I'm not like a multimillionaire because on social media, that's like all you see and I'm

just like, yo, that's so not reality, and like you need to stop being so hard on yourself. But I understand, like you might think that this is like what goes on, but it's it's not, and it's it's sad. I think a lot of people who do really great discredit themselves

because they compare themselves to people online. And I think also we're living in such a weird world where people on social media are making millions of dollars and their fourteen and we have to like that's just because you're not that does not mean you are any less than Yeah, it's a wild, wild time. It's really really crazy, and it's really bad on the psyche, Like let's not forget like it's it's really intense for a kid. Um. I mean I was twelve on social media and it had

its effects on me in a major way. And I've had to now be in like extensive therapy and I've gone through a lot of ship mentally that like I do credit being on social media is super young. I think that that had a really really negative impact on the way I viewed myself mental health. Um, having like people just like talk about you in a negative way all the time is not It's not something like you're meant to process. So especially when you're growing up and

people are critiquing you for when they don't know you. Yeah, I have no idea who I am, let alone, Like do these people know who I am? So it's it was really difficult. And I think there's a lot of kids, like literally kids on social media now that I'm I'm really worried for and I just I just hope that they, you know, look out for themselves the best they can. It's a really scary place the anteinet sometimes you know,

a mental therapy. I haven't in therapy since I was like eight, and there's such a stigma with it, but there shouldn't be because I always say, people say, you gotta work out, you gotta work out your mind, and that's what therapy is. Yeah, it's so important. And also just to be able to like talk to someone who's

unbiased and just like get your emotions out. I don't ever think it's good to let things build up and like let that pressure, you know, like becomes so Yeah, it's it's and you don't need to be in a bad place to go to therapy. It's always good to go if you don't think you need it can become

a better person. I literally have this conversation like less than a week ago with someone because my friend was like, Yeah, I don't really have any like trauma in my life, really have anything like bad that's ever happened to me that I feel like I've talked about. I was like, but being like a human being is trum attic. Put it on a shirt. Like literally being born as a

traumatizing experience. Like it's just like growing up, like learning how to do things, and like you know, tripping and falling whatever, Like you can't say that you've never gone through anything before, you know, Like yeah, so I told him you don't just because you don't have these like huge things you can cite. I think it's still really important to like just talk about your feelings and your emotions and look at things through a new lens, get

another opinion. I don't know. I'm a bit therapy me too. And I remember I used to be so ashamed of it because my old best friends, um would say the therapies for the crazy. After knowing that I went, I hate and I was like, no, not really, I'm just trying to better myself as a human. Like you should do that too, we should. Yeah, I think that's so.

It's so sad to me that like people like trying to make it that people who struggle with their mental health or like crazy or like people who therapy are like inherently going to some bad or I'm like, no, actually means I'm like one step ahead and I'm trying to look out for myself, um and get to know

who I am. Um. I think a lot of people, you know, like I'm I can make this judgment about what you just said about your old best friend, like probably don't want to know, Like there's certain things that she probably doesn't want to acknowledge, And that's fine too, But like, don't say that we're crazy because we go to therapy, Like just say that you don't want to learn certain things because you'd rather just leave those stones unturned.

That's fine too. And something that I've realized more recently is that if I hadn't struggled with O c D, and if I hadn't gone through anxiety in my entire life, I wouldn't be where I am, and I wouldn't be talking to you where we are right now. For sure, you would be creating the art that you've created. And I think so it can suck it. It makes us who we are, and I feel like we should embrace

that more. Yeah, And I think that I'm like, I'm grateful that I've gone through things and I've come out stronger the other side because I you know, I think that I tried to speak to my fans and my followers and whoever's listening about mental health, particularly a lot. I try to talk about it as candidly as I can, and just like these people to know that they're not alone in their struggles and they're not like the only

ones feeling that way. It's it's really important for me because you know, like we said, social media is such a false narrative all the time. We're all guilty of it. I know I am, and so I think that when I can be candid and when I can do these little live streams, even it's even if it's for like just my die hard fan base who follows this private account, that to me like impacts people and it makes people realize they're not alone in their struggles. And that's like

really really important to me. And it feels like it's like part of my life journey to like let people know they're like not alone. Like I. It's like, really what I care about the same here. And I feel like, also, I remember, like that's what music is. I remember the first time, um I listened to Julia Michael's song Anxiety and I listened to those lyrics, I was like, I've never related to something more and that's just the power

of music. And I feel like you're doing that. You've done that with your past music, you're doing that with your album, and I think it's so incredible. I know you're working on your second album already, I am. Can you please tell me a little bit um It's hard for to tell anything without spilling anything, but just like a little tidbit, like maybe some themes, some constant themes

that run throughout cool. Sure, yeah, I think that. Like the most constant theme is like the evolution from Life Support, which is kind of just like not that I feel like Life Support was a breakup album per se, but I was very much so going through a real breakup that, like I wrote about a lot, and it was a healing album. Sure, I love that, let's call it that. And now it's kind of more the perspective of, like, you know, what I've gone through and how I feel

like I've strengthened because of these things. And uh, it's more like I don't want to say confidence, but it feels like it's a lot more like in touch with my emotions rather than questioning them. Does that make sense? I like that, Like I don't know if that makes any sense. No, it makes perfect sense. Yeah, just like knowing knowing that like I'm valid and what I've experienced, knowing that, like you know, my emotions are real instead of like I feel like life support was a lot

of me. Also, it was a lot of like just talking about my ex and things that happened in our relationship. But I was like, I don't want to reduce myself from my experiences down to like with this one relationship. I feel like I've gone through a lot in my fucking life and I want to talk about all of the things. So it's definitely a way more like diverse somatic album. It's not just about an X as you ship. I'm excited. Is this coming out soon or like a

little further away. It's a little further away just because tour, Like I didn't really factor in how much work I'd be putting in for tour, Like I I've it's been a lot, so I haven't had really time to finish it per se. So I'm gonna I'm gonna say, like, hopefully top of next year is realistic. Okay, we have to take one more quick break boat. When we come back, I'm gonna talk more about your mental health and any advice you'd give your younger self. We'll be right back.

How is your mental health been? When I have a lot going on, I can get overwhelmed. How have you been Are You've been doing okay with your rehearsals and all that. You know, I'm the same. We're like, I get really overwhelmed when I'm um doing a lot too, because I feel like I have no time to do things for myself, Like I'm leaving tomorrow and I'm like, I still have to get my nails done and I still love to do my eyebrows and like things like that, and I haven't had any time to do them. So

I get overwhelmed when stuff like that happens. But because it's tour, I'm just so excited and happy. So I'm just like, yes, overwhelmed, but like I'm happily overwhelmed. I'm like, keep keep overwhelming me. That's a perfect type of overwhelmed. Yeah, I'm like this is great, and I'm I'm like I'm so excited. I just can't believe it's like actually here

and I'm leaving tomorrow. That's so exciting. If you could tell your younger self something or give your younger self a piece of advice, will be I feel like my only piece of advice would to be like, firstly, like I know it's hard, but like please stop listening to these people who literally just want to rip you down, and like stop crying yourself to sleep every night, like

they'll never see you. Like it was a really hard thing for me for a long time to like except that people were seeing me in the wrong light and people just had the wrong idea of me, Like I had to separate the idea of versus like the person, and you know, it's it's hard for me as someone who like struggles with anxiety and depression as well, and like, um, like a lot of a lot of other ship I being seen and being validated and like feeling like I'm

genuinely translating who I am to the public, like has been important to me because I've been someone like I've been followed or whatever since I was twelve. That like it's become part of my life where like I want people to you know, know me, and I don't want to ever come across like different. And I had to add a certain point just be like there are always going to be people who have the wrong idea of you, and there's always going to be people who do not see you the way you want to be seen, and

that's okay. And there are people who do, and even if it's a smaller number, or even if it feels like a smaller number, and it's not like I've had to just try to live with that. So I would definitely tell my younger self, like, you know, as long as you know that you're good, and as long as you know that you have good intentions and um, as long as you can go to sleep with yourself at night, then I then I would I would tell my younger

self to just be okay with that. I don't just like give her a big hog and I'd be like, hey, kids are gonna be fine, and like you're going to turn out great, and I have faith is that you're going to find your way. So yeah, I think you are putting your experiences so beautifully into music and Reckless is so incredible and Life Support like and I'm not just saying that, I'm really not Like it's not only is your storytelling incredible, but I love the instrumentation behind

all of it. Is there a certain song that I'm sure you go in waves and relating two different songs you've written at different times. Is there a certain songs from Life Support that you are currently relating to more right now than others. That's interesting. Uh No, I think that, like I go through phases of like, what's my favorite, I always say that Effortlessly is like my favorite. It's

just I just love the song in general. But um, I think like rehearsals has given me a new love from my song Homesick because I just like love it and it's so cute, and I just like, I love what we're doing in the show for it? Are you can include a little Rick and Morty part as well? It is in the show? Yes, you know I still haven't gone to Rick and Morty. You're really fucking up and missing out. But I know I am, and I've seen episodes and I've loved it. I just haven't watched

it all the way through very very much my life. Um, but you should watch it. I won't peer pressure you because I think you should get into it on your own time. But it's really really good. I will DM you after I watch it, and I will let you know my thoughts. Also, where do you go to school? You like should come to a show? Um? Yes, please, I just moved out to California. I'm actually from New York. Cool, So okay, we'll come to the l Show or the San France or or the San Diego Show, whatever show

you like. Wait, when is this, uh the end of November, I'm coming. Yeah, Oh my god, we'll be able to meet in person. You're coming, you have to come? Oh my goodness. Yeah, Madison, thank you so much for coming on my podcast. I feel like these conversations aren't happening enough, and it's all about these surface level stuff. So I'm just very happy, thank you for just opening up and being you, because it's wonderful and it should be celebrated.

You're so cute and it's really awesome that, like I know that I'm not much older than you, but I tend to like view the younger generation a bit of a negative light, just because I feel like a lot of like what I think, what I associate like nineteen year olds too is like TikTok and like, you know, like, and I associate TikTok to like negative like hate and like people I feel like are like super cutthroat at your age, and I mean, I'm sure you've experienced it,

so I think it's really really hope and you should like be really proud of yourself for being so young and having this mindset. And I mean, you're literally like my little brother's age, and I look at like him and his friends, like they're so young, and I'm just like, oh my god, you guys like don't care about any of that kind of stuff, and like mental health isn't something that they give a shit about. And I mean they're boys or whatever. They're different. Boys are a different breed.

Different breed for sure, But I think that it's awesome that someone your age like cares to have these conversations and wants to and like I could tell that you're genuinely passionate about it, and it means a lot to someone like me who is like a mental health advocate. And I feel like I kind of sometimes don't like break through to younger people because I feel like they don't, I don't know, maybe care about it as much you're

reading to it as deeply. But I think I think what you're doing is great and I'm really proud of you and happy that you are doing this. It's it's really really cool. That means a lot. And I feel like, you know, especially this industry, like we us girls got to support each other. Like there's enough competition in the world and there shouldn't be any with girls, and the fact that there is any ridiculous. So I'm glad that we can all support each other and I'm excited to

meet you in person, come to your show. Yes you have to come. And it's I totally agree. I think that, like the narrative about just being a woman and like having to literally compete with other women all the time is so dark and sad, and I think it's just like a flaw, the many flaws in society, it's one of them, and like, you know, yeah, we should all be there to uplift each other and be kind and like it's just life is too short to be a

fucking dick. Like truthfully, that's it. Yeah, that's what it comes down to. It's what it comes down to. And it's just like it's so crazy. It's crazy to me that it's not like a common thing, but it's not. Can we change that? Let's change that. I really would like to what's your sign? I need to ask, and I need to know. I'm a lie? Whoa surprising? Okay, cool? Really what do you think I went? I didn't honestly,

I didn't think anything. I was going to get Sagittarius, which is like pretty opposite to Leo, like bye bye. But also that's I think that's because I like usually associate leos with like partying and being like super like hype, and so I'm seeing you in a different light maybe if I know you a girl, No, I am. My ideal night is like watching Jenna Marble's YouTube videos like doing a face mask. That's what. That's what. That's my ideal night. I'm not a big but you know what,

it depends on my mood. I guess I feel like I've also just like coming out with a lot of leos who are like pretty like wild. So I don't know. Well, I'm excited that we have met each other virtually, and I'm excited to meet you in person. And You're the best. You're the best. Thank you so much, seriously, this was really fun. Thank you guys so much for listening to this week's episode of Less Biro podcast. If you haven't listened to Life Support, or if you haven't bought tickets

to Madison's Score, I I only recommend you do. Madison, thank you so much for coming on my podcast. I genuinely really appreciate this conversation. It helped me a lot actually and inspired me. Also, if you haven't already, subscribed to the podcast and follow me on Instagram at its Sammy J. That's I T S S A M M Y J A y E. I will see you guys next week by