Featuring Loren Grey

you guys enjoyed. Lauren. I am so happy you're on my podcast. This is so exciting. I'm very excited to talk to you about social media and for me personally, I have an interesting relationship with social media and since that, I am struggling finding a healthy balance with it where I'm sure you can relate it's a business, but at the same time, you're nineteen year old girl in social media can be really hard, right and you're a nineteen

as well. Yeah, yeah, it can be really difficult. Um. I feel like it took me a really long time I'm to find that balance because I think when when I hit seventeen, I burnt out and I you know, I've been doing it since I was thirteen, and and that's a shitty feeling to have burnt out at seven. Right, you don't want and you you wanted to be fun

and you wanted to be something that you're passionate about. Um, but then when it turns into a job and now it's a requirement, it feels like waking up for school, like waking up and getting ready for something that you're obligated to do. And I feel like I hit that wall at seventeen, and then I sort of had to rediscover where I fit and what I needed to do

to make myself feel good about it again. Um So yeah, the past two years, I've been figuring it out and I feel like now I'm in a good place with it. So what do you do to not have breakdowns from Instagram? Well, I asking for a friend when I was sixteen and I was waking up every morning, do I make up hair story poster? Like back to back to back and

your screen time? It was insane. It was all day and I missed out and going out with friends, and I missed out on different things that you do in life because I was so organized and had all of my social media scheduled and planned, and actually, for like, social media is shifting in a really helpful way right now to where you don't have to post a million stories and you don't have to constantly be there all

the time. Sometimes it's actually more beneficial to take a step back and let people miss you a little bit. And I was, I was so on it all of the time, and it can really, it can really be destructive because you want to have fun and you want to share things that you enjoy. And I don't want to just post selfies every day, Like some days I hate the way I look and I don't want to post that. So um now I just post whenever I feel like I have something to share, and if I don't,

then I don't love that. I find other things to do, Like I'll talk to fans, or I'll do like a like a D. M. Spury and like DM a bunch of people. But the world doesn't need my face in it every day, you know. I think it's so interesting just finding a balance of posting what you want to share versus just like stressing over a photo. And like I remember, I stopped doing this because my brother told

me not to. I listened to my brother a lot um, but he was like, I would delete photos if it didn't get enough lights, or if it wasn't whatever, and I was like, really upset because it was photos that I really liked. And then I her brother just said, if you like it, who cares? And then I clicked. I was like, you're right exactly. I had all of my likes. Now I don't want to see them. I don't want to know. I don't care. And that's helped

a lot. And I've really appreciated that future coming out on Instagram specifically because it eliminates a lot of that stress and a lot of that anxiety surrounding how many people are caring about what I post. And I also feel like what really put things in a perspective for me was my mom told me. She was like, you know, when you follow someone on Instagram, you follow hundreds of people, and you're not paying attention to that one person every day.

You know, no one's paying attention to you seven every hour of the day, so you don't have to be there all of the time. It's okay to take a step back and then come back when you're ready. And that's been really helpful for me. It's like you're not the world has revolved around you. I'm sure you can

relate to this. It's like people forget, and I think it's It's one of the things that I've learned a lot throughout this podcast that I did not expect was how much the media takes a human out of the person. That people forget you're just nineteen, Like you're just a nineteen year old girl. And the fact that people put you on a pedestal as if you're not human, which happens so often I think is one of the most

unhealthy parts of social media. Absolutely, yeah, that's That's definitely been something that um, I mean, I've tried to combat with being as authentically myself as I can all of the time and sharing things about my life that make me human to other people, because you know, to other people. Having a lot of followers, is this it's this big thing. Nothing, it doesn't mean anything. The same person I was, you know,

three years ago, five years ago, nothing's changed. Um, But yeah, it's crazy how You're absolutely right, it takes the human out of the person. It really does. And something I'm I'm from New York City. I just moved to California like a month ago for school, so I'm out here

and I've been back and forth for work. It's something that I've realized that I was wondering if I could have your advice on if you will, because you're a veteran in this, I've been to, like some events, the way it is on social media is so not how it is in person. And there are so many fake interactions and so many people that are just so blatantly obvious trying to I want to say network, but I wouldn't even call it that. Do you know what I'm

talking about? Absolutely, I've I've done it for years, and how do you navigate it? In the beginning, I didn't see it. I didn't see it for what it was. I was having fun. I was really young, like fourteen fifteen, having the best time. And then the older that I got and the more that you know, negative influences start to get involved, and the more that um, you see the culture of people stepping on other people to get to where they want to go. And I've never believed

in that, and I've never caved to that. And I it's not that I'm above it. It's just that I surround myself with people that really love me quality over quantity exactly. Like my boyfriend doesn't do social media. My friends don't do social media really like my boyfriend posts like once a year, he posted on my birthday and I don't know how he's probably posted like twice since then. Um so yeah, I mean, no one around me really use the social media like that or does what I do.

And that's helped a lot. That's so important. Yeah, And I don't go to those things unless it's something that I'm shing it about or it's something that I'm excited for. But I don't want to sit in a room full of people that I know don't care about me, or are judging me, or are comparing themselves to me. It's a really unhealthy environment sometimes, and it's not one that I really feel like I need to be a part

of to be successful. I I agree, and I don't know about you, but I'm more of a home baddie. I really like a fun night sounds like being around close friends, watching a fun movie and just hanging out exactly. That sounds ideal, and I think that's what It's hard for a lot of people to relate to is that you don't have to have big groups of people all around you to be happy. You can literally if you have one friend, that's all that matters. And I feel like when I was in the groups of people, that's

when I was the unhappiest. Really, um yeah, because you know, you're you're constantly thinking of what someone's intentions are by being around you, or how this is benefiting them, and do the benefits out weigh if they really like me as a person. And I feel like everyone deals with that on their on their own scale, right, And it's just amplified when you get to a certain level and once you get involved with the social media world and

everything like that. But um, I feel like everyone goes through it and it's just learning what works for you. Because for some people, they love it, they loved the party, they asked how they recharge. For me, it's just being alone. I just exactly. I prefer to be with my own self and my pets, a good face mask, exactly, And I'm not a big partier. I don't really enjoy that lifestyle. Um. If you do, no shame, enjoy it, not shame, But

it's it's draining for me. I have very low energy to begin with, and that just sucks a life out of me, it really does. I. Yeah, I feel that my friends forced me to go to a dance club last weekend, which is something I do not want to do. But I was either that and I was like, Okay, I'm gonna push myself. We're going to do that. And I actually ran into a kid I went to middle school within New York City, which is so random. But after I left, I was like, yeah, I'm not doing

that again. I'm glad I experienced it. Not the vibe. Yeah, you have to experience it to to figure out where you fit in. And I feel like that again, that's the same for everyone. You have to, you know, try and try things out and see where you fit. And it's okay if you don't. And it took me a while too. Uh, I feel like it's it's okay to not it involved myself with things that don't make me happy because you feel like it's part of your job,

but it's not. You're still a person and you still have um, you still have your own personal priorities that are important for your own mental health, and you don't have to sort of let that go to be a celebrity, Like, yeah, you have to be able to um keep certain parts of yourself for your health and find your own peace and have a life that isn't on social media because social media it's just a highlight reel. It really is, no matter like what you show with little clips, And

I think it's so easy to forget that. How have you dealt with being nineteen and it's the time of our lives to really like put ourselves out there and experiment with different things. How have you dealt with that? But also you're dealing with it like on a public scale. How do you balance that? I mean, I feel like I'm a pretty I'm actually a pretty boring person. I mean I don't I don't really step outside my comfort zone very often, unless unless it's something performance wise or

something crazy for work that I'm doing. But I feel like I did a lot of my experimenting really early because I got thrown into this so early. So I feel like I'm kind of jaded by a lot of things that a lot of people are excited for. It's so interesting. But it makes sense because you've been since you're thirteen. Yeah, so I left school in eighth grade,

and I graduated in tenth grade. So I graduated when I was sixteen, and the world there there it was, and I had my own house and my mom lived with me at the time, but I was still able to go out and be with friends, and I did all of those things really early. So now I just like to do things that make me happy and feel at peace because I am so busy all of the time. And yeah, I have I love my house, and I love my boyfriend and we have a great time and

that's pretty much it. So Okay, I have always felt a lot older than my actual age. What is your mental age do you think at this point? Because I have my own mental age, I feel like I'm a solid twenty eight. I'd say I'm a solid twenty six seven. I think I still have a little ways to go, But in terms of being able to, like you do, own a house, I hold the fourth down. Yeah, I

cook and I clean. Why I don't cook. My boyfriend cooks, but I clean, and I take care of my animals and my response abilities, and I go to school and I work my job, and yeah, I feel like I've got it. You got your routine down, I've got my routine down, and that's why it's so hard for me to be experimental and crazy and wild because I have everything down and it can be boring. And sometimes I like, man, I'm only nineteen. I need to have fun, but it

just doesn't. It's not fulfilling for me to, you know, go out until three am. Might go to bed like nine. Oh, that sounds so nice. I go to bed and nine, I wake up at like seven six thirty and the sun is rising, the birds are chirping, and that's what makes me happy. First of all, the thought of going to sleep at nine sounds so nice. Last year, during the pandemic, when I was a senior, I would just go to bed so early just because like everything was online.

I was like, why would I stay up? There's no point, like whatever, and I fell in love with it. And now being in college, no one goes to sleep early. And it's like two am and I'm trying to stay up, but it's rough. Are you on campus? Like yeah, I'm in a dorm. Wow, it's weird. Okay, so what's that like? Because I don't know what that's like. So I'm only like three weeks in a month about it be a

month in Okay, you made it. And it's been weird because my entire second half of junior and all of seniors online, So I already had a low social battery and now it's extra low from being alone or with my family for a year and a half. So I'm like trying to build it back up slowly but surely. But it's been really good. I've met some cool people. I'm enjoying the classes I'm taking. I majoring in broadcast journalism and documentary, so it's a very creative bas which

is what I like. But it's different. It's a lot different than New York that I like that. Yeah, I mean I've always wondered what that's like because there's no way I could live in a do you know what, come visit. I will give you a toy of the campus. I love it. It's one of those things too, where it's like we're at a path specifically with our generation, where like people are breaking the bears of what you

should do. You don't always have to go to college, you don't always have to do things the way we've thought we should have. What advice do you have for people struggling in school? Because I travel a lot in high school. I'm so glad I'm out of high school. Yeah. I never made it to high school, public high school I did. I did the online school. Um. Academically I did great, but socially not so great. Um. It was a really rough time and that's ultimately what led me

to leave school and going to homeschool. But I think the biggest advice that I've I've given anyone who asks me that question is to remember that high school, middle school, wherever you're at, doesn't last forever. And even though it feels like it, even though it feels like it, and you're absolutely right, you don't want to be one of those people that peaks in a high schools. Where's the

fun in that? You know, you have so much life to live, and whatever you're going through at this very moment, it's going to be so insignificant in the future that it's best to just focus on doing what you're there to do, get the job done, and get out, and if you enjoy it, have the best time. I didn't

have that experience. I was miserable, and I've flourished ever since, and life has gone on and I'm happy and well, and I think that's That's what I wish I would have known, is like, this is a very small portion of what is going to be a very long life. And it's hard to believe that too when everything and everything feels so big and like life shattering, Like try and pull yourself out of it and realize, this too

shall pass exactly. The sun's gonna rise in the morning and that will pass as well, just like this exactly. And my life fell apart. October of nineteen was Wait. That was the year for me where it was terrible. Wait. Same here, Okay, I'm here. I'm gonna hear your story. First, I dyed my hair brown and that really set it all off. I broke things off with my boyfriend of like three years, and I started, you know, new relationships and I that was weird and different for me, and

there was a lot going on with that. Um my dog died. I had to put my dog down and I just started living by myself. My mom had just moved back home, and as soon as she moved back home, my dog, like I had to put her down. It was It's a really long story, but really sad. And I spent so much money trying to save this dog, and it was so difficult to like navigate that by myself for two weeks, trying to figure out how to keep this dog alive and learning how to live on

my own. Um. I had my friend out here with me, but again she's my age, so we were both trying to figure it out together. It was really overwhelming, and I was like peek eating disorder, peak everything, peak depression. And I again dyed my hair brown, ruined my hair, and that was probably the worst thing that came out of it, other than my dog dying. That was really bad, but the hair part was also really terrible. And what

what made you want to go brunette? Oh, wasn't just like a little bit of a mental breakdown, because I don't think I've ever died my hair in like a mentally good place. It's the teenage depression angst. It really makes you want to do something crazy. And you know, I visited home and my mom's a hairstylist, and I went home and I was like, I want to something crazy.

And I think my mom was also going through something because she was she was like, yeah, let's do it, and she's never let me do that to my hair ever. So my hair is really like naturally, so trying to go back to that takes a lot of work, and it ended up pretty much all falling out along the top crown part of my head. That's my biggest fear, and it's only just now after almost two years, these pieces have finally grown down to like my chin. But yeah, you're still working on it, and one day I'll be

back where I was and I'll be thriving. But it's just my constant reminder of October twenty nineteen and the dark times that ensued. Dude, Mine was November of twenty nineteen, I think so right around the same time. I was probably still feeling it in November. Yeah. Do you think social media just added to all of that as well during that time or do you think it was one of the things that helped. I think I think it

can be both. I think it adds an extra pressure, but I also think having so many people that are there for you, UM is really helpful. And I say it a lot that like I have, I've always had a really close relationship with my fans. They've watched me grow and it's been a really special experience and a really amazing gift. UM so having people there that I know understand because they're also young and going through things.

UM is really powerful and it's it's like being a part of a really powerful and loving and welcoming community. But it can also be a lot when it's your job aspect of things, because it's the constant pressure of keeping up and keeping up all of the time, and also your financially independent, you're also surviving on your own right. And I can't just say I'm done, because no, this is what I've chosen as my life, and this is

my job. And I have to pay for college, and I have to pay for my house, and I have things to pay for. I have lots of animals in my house. How many animals have a cat, a dog, and four fish, and so I have two separate fish tanks, and I have a beta and two toutras and then another beta, and then I have a one eyed cat and a little Pomeranian. You have a one eyed cat. He's the best, He's so precious. Why do you he

have one eye? Was he born that way? I adopted him and they basically said that he was found in like a hoarding situation, and he was very He's just like a little feral cat, and I think his eye was infected and they probably had to remove it. But he's a very sweet, gentle um cat and I feel like if he was on the streets with other cats, they definitely probably tore him up because he is just a little boy. Yeah, man, would you have any other

adopt anymore animals at this point? Are you done for now? I think I'm done for now. It's a lot of responsibility and it's mostly my boyfriend's responsibility now because he works from home and I leave a lot. So you guys lived together, Yeah, we've lived together for like a year now. How is how how's that going? So the pandemic really forced us together, because you can make it

through a pandemic, though, you can make it through anything exactly. Um. Basically, he was living with his sisters and they were like, hey, if you're going to keep going over there, like COVID is a thing, so like just stay there, and he was like okay, So he moved in with me. And how long were you dating at that point? Oh my gosh, I don't even know. Like it was really quick. It couldn't have been like more than I want to say, like three or four months maximum. Really it happened really

fast because we just pandemic. Things are different and he didn't have a car at the time, so I was we were making it work that way, and my parents were like, I wanted me to have someone there with me because I was living in a big house by myself, and um, they liked him and it was cool. Yeah, he's been living with me. I mean it's a little different when you're independent. I mean, life moves a little quicker. So we get along great, we don't fight. We're best friends,

and he helps me take care of everything. He cooks and cleans and he's the best. You know what. I think that's so important that you guys kind of like your own lives and then absolutely then add to each other. Is because when people say it's like your half of your half of me, it's like, no, you should be your whole person exactly to that exactly. And I think that that's important. And I've I've never had a real stable relationship before, so this has been really exciting and

it's worked out really well. We have to take a quick break, but when we come back, I'm going to talk more about relationships, advice, and much more we'll be right back and we're back. Okay. What's any relationship advice, like the one thing you wish you learned? Oh my gosh, Um, I wish I knew how to I wish I knew before how to leave when it was time to leave. I feel like I always stayed, hoping that things would work out and that um, everything would be great. And

it's not. He's not a bad guy. It's just he's just having a bad day. And I feel like I was going through it. Yeah, and I neglected myself in the process of trying to make other people happy. And I feel like you have to prioritize yourself if you

want to make other people happy. Right, So, if you want to be in a relationship and you want to be a part of a unit, you have to be able to work as your own person first and understand you know your values and you're and learn to respect yourself and love yourself and no one to let go. So yeah, I feel like it took me a while. It took me to being in a healthy relationship to look back and be like, what was I doing that?

With social media and just comparing yourself, you're like, well, I want this relationship and this is what it looks like. So no relationship is no relationship is perever and you had to be to find the person that you're willing to put the effort in with um and stick it out with. I watched Dr Phil a lot, and Doctor I've been watching opra clips when I've been getting ready,

and I guess what I watched. I watched Dr Phil when I get ready, and Dr Phil says, people get divorced and people break up too easily, and you have to find a person that you're willing to stick it out with. And I think it's absolutely right. Go Phil. Do you know what? My favorite Doctor Phil quote is what I don't say but because that means forget what I just said, and here's what I really meant exactly. Especially it's very much sensationalized, like the worst case of everything.

It's like, okay, you know what, my life, My life is good, like I don't have to deal with a great life, Like I love a great life. He loves to say the dog, what is the tail wagon? The dog all the time anyway? Stupid? But yeah, that's my guilty pleasure. It's not even a guilty pleasure. I just need background noise in the morning and the same way. I just tune in every now and then. You know, Yeah, I've been liking Oprah. I was doctor Phil far On.

I've been doing Opra clips on YouTube. I need to check that one out because I really really dived to note quite yet watch her her watch her a Thing with Maya Angelo. Okay, I'll check it out. It was like therapy just watching I recommend which I probably need, so I will check that out. You know, we all need therapy. That's the thing. I love therapy. I think it's healthy. I you know what. I'm so glad you said that because so many people are like, because there's

such a stigma with it. Everyone says you gotta work out, you should work out your mind. And that's what therapy is. Absolutely and I feel like, um, you're doing yourself a favor, You're growing as a person. It's okay to ask for help. I feel like so many people are for you to ask for help or even just if you don't need it, just to have you know, though you might think you don't need it, and you get there and you're like, wow,

I did, Yeah, I really did. I needed that. You've been an influencer for almost a third of your life, which is crazy, and you have millions of followers, and you've done a bunch of press, you've done interviews. My question is, how do you keep it real and authentic when everything and everyone seems to be so media train these days. I think media training is a great thing for anyone who's you know, doing this or wants to do this, or want someone to talk to and tell

them what they're comfortable with. UM, It's very helpful. And I think also there's a balance between you know, being yourself and also like saying things in a certain way, you know what I mean, Like everything, Like I don't know, I've had experiences where everything is so media training to the point where it's like you're not even having a conversation with someone, but you're like kind of having a conversation with a robot, if you know what I mean.

And it's it's like a balance between the two. Like you ask a question, I'm doing great, thank you, thank you. My new single and this relates back to my new single because in this song, like yeah, you never wanted to be that, But I think it's it's important to know your boundaries and able to have a conversation and feel comfortable going into it and confident going into it. Um, and yeah, I appreciate I appreciate the work that media media training people do because I I spill them's crazy.

Oh yeah, And here's my problem is, like I I sometimes overshare and I can go way off topic and I've learned how to keep things on track and not get too like weirdly personal, like I get like strangely personally, Like what do you mean? I did an interview once where I started talking about how I like have a nervous habit of pulling off my pinky toe nails. But I really went into detail about it. Wait, how do you do that? I just pull them off? That's impressive. Yeah,

I just don't have them there. They bothered me, and I just pull them off. It doesn't hurt. My toes are like used to it. Anyway. I'm doing exactly what I said I wasn't. But this is the stuff that I like because it's actually an actual conversation. It is. Yeah, I just I wear a lot of heels and they start to like pull up a little bit, and then I just yank them off. And if I don't have nails on, Like I don't have nails on right now. I pull my nails off and then they get all

nubby and small. How you deal with long nails? I love the way they look, but I just can't stand the feeling of long nails. You get used to it like anything. I mean, I really love not having nails because I can do things like open cans. But when I have nails, I like open cans with my teeth or I do a lot of things with my teeth. Yeah, but I never get them super super long, like some girls get them super long, and that I don't. I would stab myself. Yeah. I feel like I feel claustrophobic

in my hands. Yeah. I feel like my range of motion deteriorating absolutely. Yeah. And I feel like, you know what, I feel like this is refreshing. People forget your human and I feel like these kind of things make people remember. Let's see I was able to keep it short and sweet. Yes, I pull my toe nails off. And are there any other fun facts? Oh? Boy, let me think I'm sure there is. Let's get weird, man. I have a lot it's called let this podcast is called Let's be Real.

I have a lot of weird things. Um, I have to think, I don't even know. Okay, while you're thinking of something else. One other thing I want to talk to you about is how you've learned to appreciate and love yourself. And I feel like it's a journey that everyone is on, but social media and being a teenager has made it very difficult for me, and I'm sure many others. Do you struggle with this also? Oh of course. I mean some days I wake up and I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm the baddest bitch on earth. I

can I can do anything, I can be anything. And then some days I wake up and I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm a worm. I'm a worm. Yeah, I'm a little rouch, I'm a little bean. And those days I just bask in it. And then on those days when I don't feel so great about myself, I just allow myself to feel that way and just be like, you know what, embrace it. I'm not perfect every day, and even in the days when I think I'm perfect, I'm still not so. Or even the one days when I when I want

to be perfect, I'm still not so. I think it's just you know, embracing the parts of you that make you special, and I mean, living in l A, it's really hard because anyone can look like whatever they want to look like. Yeah, yes, yeah, I realized that that's something that's very different In New York. I feel like, yes, everyone looks kind of copy and paste. Yeah, And I've I've made it a point, and I don't. I mean, if people want to get work done, if it makes

you feel better, then do it. I mean, do it for the right reason, to do what makes you feel happy. But I feel like being surrounded by people in l A, I feel like you start to feel like you need to fit into this mold of what everyone else looks like. And I've made it a point that like, I can't. I can't allow myself to do that because I still want to be me and I don't want to look

like anyone else. In some days, I'm like, man, I could fix my nose, I could fix my mouth, and then um, I just I revert back to you know what, this is what makes me look like me? I only need to look like everyone else and want to look like everything else, and so it But just I like what makes me special? But You're made this way for a reason. Exactly. Yeah, and I feel like I feel like that's that's a really powerful thing to realize. Would you say going into music has helped you with yourself

confidence at all? Um? I think that the most special things come out of music for me is is being surrounded by people that enjoy the same things that I do, love that feel exactly. They make me feel loved and they make me feel like, you know, my ideas are good. And I feel like that's helped me a lot in

that sense. Of course, writing music is therapeutic in itself, um, but for me it was sort of I used to have my mom used to say because I had so many influencer friends and I'm almost like any more music friends. And then now I have no influencer friends and all

music friends, so it's going completely the other way. Um. But yeah, I just enjoy being around those people that like share mentests and you care about the same things, and that's been really helpful for me feeling like I'm supported, and that's that's been very very helpful for a lot. We have to take one more quick break, but when we come back, I'm want to talk with you about some of the cool entrepreneurial things you're getting into. We'll be right back. You have quite a busy schedule, like

doing a lot and I just saw launching sunglasses. Yeah, how did that happen? Is? Are you doing that? Like? I know you're studying business. Is has that been helpful? Like learning all of that going into the businesses you're actually creating. Yeah, I mean where I'm at in college right now, it's not really applying yet, right, I haven't been. I'm doing the basics right now. I'm like English one oh two, okay, but not one on one but one oh two. But to be fair, I already sad one

on one when no one was great. I loved it. I love English. Um. But I feel like the reason why I felt like college is important for me is because when I'm so consumed by social media every day, it's so easy to forget that I have a brain and that I need to keep expanding my knowledge and expanding my vocabulary and um, you know, working my brain

and exercising what makes me an intelligent person. Um. So that's been really helpful when it comes to business and my job, because I feel like my brain is already warmed up. Yeah, I'm not like right and I'm not completely you know, my brain is not mush from social media and reading text posts all day like I have. I have some articulate, you know, words that I could pull out and be well spoken. Favorite word as of

recent oh my gosh. Well, I've been writing a lot of essays and my favorite word to use right now is like macabre because we're doing like a whole gothic thing. Gothic literature is great, and that's been really fun for me. It's really cool. I've been liking using the word conundrum. But I have an issue. Oh that's a good one. I have a conundrum. Yeah. I've been me owing a lot, so have I I can do a really good me ow. Actually, let's hear it. See that was good. I think it

was pretty good. Yeah, what about you? I literally yes, I walked out to my roommate just me out, like what are you doing? Oh? At the shoot today, I couldn't stop. It was everything or like it's a it's a vibe, yeh. Can we make me owing a thing now? Yeah? It's like a it's like a personality trait. If you've gone this far into this podcast, please leave a cat emoji in the comments. Um show you are a real one. Yeah, Lauren, thank you so much for coming on my podcast. It

was so great to meet you. Thanks. This is a great conversation. I hope you had a fun time. You're wonderful. Thank you of course. Thank you guys so much for listening to this week's episode of the Let's Be Real Podcast. Lauren, thank you for coming on. It was so great to talk to. Make sure you follow her on her social media, Lauren Gray if you haven't already, and subscribe to the podcast and leave a comment. If you have made it this far, make sure you do leave that cat emoji somewhere.

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