Featuring Alec Benjamin

This episode is really inspiring for me because we talked about his resiliency and persevering in the music business, his new album These Two Windows, which is coming out soon, his very unique songwriting process, and so much more. I cannot wait for you guys to listen, and I can't wait for your feedback. I'm really excited to have you on my podcast because christ of Fall, You're an incredible singer songwriter. I think your lyrics are just so vivid

and descriptive where it really paints a story. Um You're welcome, and I think one of the really cool things that I joy about your music is that it's different than anything else. And I'm curious, what was the first song you ever wrote? And do you remember what was the first song I ever wrote? Was a song that I wrote? Um Man, I've started a lot of songs before I ever completed a full song. But the first song I ever wrote, like in full was a song that I

wrote after my grandpa died when I was like fifteen. Um, and uh, yeah, that's it was called. It was called Beautiful Pain, and it was like the first time I had ever like completed a song and performed it. So I consider that like the first song that I made. One of the things I found really interesting. I've talked to a few people about this on the podcast. But you started writing songs based on you created title, and then you go off that that's true. Sometimes not all

the time and sometimes most of the time. Recently, Yes, that's how I make music. So how do you come up with the title? Read a lot of like random sort of poetry things online and then like, you know, I'll look for a word that's inspiring to me. And um, if you read enough stuff or listen to a conversation, is ultimately like a phrase or a word will pop out to you. Like someone said something to me the

other day. Uh, I keep, you know, sitting in my car and feeling sorry for myself, and I was like, oh, that's like kind of poetic. Maybe I can like take that line or use it as a title. So I just try to be like aware of whenever I'm reading something or having a conversation with someone, just like have that kind of thing on in my brain where it's like, hey, just in case someone says something like poetic, you know, make a note of it. Um, So that's how I

do it. So I think your titles, like, for example, death of a hero, right, how do you come up with something like that a song like that, because that's not necessarily based on well, I was reading a poem. I was reading a poem on this website, and um, sometimes people ask me if I'm a fan of Panic at the Disco, But it wasn't. It wasn't actually the death of a bachelor song that inspired that title, but

something there was another title that I read. It was like a death of something and I was just like, that's cool. I'll just change the last word and then see how it relates to me and use it for something else. Do you have a favorite song you put out? So what you say, Oh, no, not really, because like I don't really like I don't listen to my own music really well yeah, I mean not like do you ever well do you listen to your own interviews just not have to write, right, but but beyond that for

like for like pleasure, like yeah, exactly. So it's like a similar thing. I hate hearing myself right, So I don't like hearing myself singing either, and so like I listened to my voice or I listened to my voice back on songs because I have to you know, edit the song or whatever. But I'm never like sitting in my car and being like, yeah, man, like this is this is tight, Like let's just do another one, you know, like of my own music. So I don't really have

a preference. I think I just like whatever. If I put on music and there's like a fan favorite or something, those tend to beat the songs that I like to play the most because it gets the best reaction that shows. I find that so much. I mean it makes sense when you say it. I just feel like I hear artists listening to their songs really Yeah. I heard Kanye say once. He's like someone was like, what are you listening to right now? He's like, I only listen to

my own music. Yeah he can. Hey, if I were, if I were making music that level, Like if I were if I were Kanye probably listened to Kanye too, so I can't blame him. Do you have any role models that have inspired your music? Yeah? Sure, like my my mom and dad and my sister. And then like I have a lot of fit like artists that I look up to, like John Mayer, Um, I really like um Paul Simon, I like eminem A lot. I like

a lot of different kinds of artists. Um m m. Well, I know that John Mayer has become your mentor, which is crazy to say, Yeah, it's cool. What is it like working with someone who you got to perform on stage with you? Who is so I got to perform on stage with him your concert? Sure, but still I don't know. Yeah, what is the biggest lesson you've learned

from him? Would you say? There's probably a lot of lessons that I've learned from him, But I'm trying to think there's so many to try and sort of like

think of just one this. Well, I guess one thing is just like, you know, try and just be myself and not worries so much about what other people are doing, which I suppose is a challenge, you know, in this day and age when there's so much information you're on social media, you know, you're you're always focused on like what other people have or what other people are making.

And so one of the cool things is that, like for a while I was kind of like, oh man, maybe I shouldn't have done this, maybe I shouldn't have started making music, and he was like, you know, you're on the right path. Just stay the course. So I don't know if that's like a lesson life lesson that he's taught me, but it was one thing that he told me that um was cool and definitely made me feel good. I mean, I think working with people like that,

it's also so inspiring. I'm curious what's your take on social media because I've I've heard a lot of different things, and oh, well, I think it's like it's like a there's pluses and minuses, But I don't really think my opinion on social media matters so much because it just seems to be the way the world is moving. And so it's done a lot of great things for me.

And also I was sitting next to someone on the plane yesterday and we were talking and he was works in like I t or something and it has a really good job and he was like, yeah, man, I got rid of that stuff a long time ago. My life is much better for it. And I'm like, you know, but for me, you know, making music, it definitely I kind of have to do it. So, um, do you

have a healthy relationship with it? Would you say? I don't know if when I don't know it, I don't know not to go into like a whole Like you know, I don't know what people believe about, like you know, humanity and stuff, but like you know, social media and like technology is definitely like one of the next steps and like you know, our human evolution forward. So if you're going to evolve, it's usually never like a painless thing. So I guess that sort of means it's a good thing, right,

But it's not it's supposed to. Physically, it's not great for you, and mentally it's not great for you. And maybe the de pends on how you feel about everything, but sometimes those are the same things. But it's definitely not good for your neck. Like I went to I went to the chiropractor and he was like, you know, how much pressure you put on your neck when you look at your phone like this in your lap. He's like, that's two hundred pounds of pressure on your spine, Like

that was my backpack for school. I'm like, hunch, now, it's not good. It um so ultimately I think it maybe isn't necessarily great for the individual, but for humanity as a whole, it's probably like the next step for us. So I don't know if it matters how I feel about it. That's really interesting. I haven't heard that take, but it's true. How do you think it's going to affect the future. I don't know, but I know that

it will. That's all I can say. I think people are like becoming more integrated with their life with technology, So next step is, like, you know, it keeps getting smaller and smaller and smaller. Eventually it's going to be like, you know, in your arm or whatever. It's on your wrist right now. So that's gonna be so scary that the thought of it will be cool. Who knows, Yeah, but like yeah, I just feel like, you know, you see like the spy movies that happen and you're like, man,

that's not too far away. Probably no, no, it's not, it's not. It's coming. Well, I want to talk about your music. Mind is a prison lyrically incredible. Thanks. I think the way you visualize things and just put it into words, that's so difficult to do. And I'm wondering when you wrote that song, did you realize that it was? I don't know. Did you just realize how many people it could affect and how many people people could relate to it? Um? I think that the song for me.

When I wrote that song, I wasn't really thinking about other people. I was more thinking about, like, what was Every time I write a song and I think that a lot of people are going to relate to it, it usually doesn't. And it usually is because I'm not Um yeah it is, it is? But um yeah, you know. I think the jury is still out on how many people it will actually affect. But from when I when I first posted it, I definitely got a bigger response than I thought I was going to get. The first

three lines of that song incredible. Can you just for the listeners who haven't heard it, can you just speak them or save them? Let me see were the first few lines of the song. I don't live in California. I'll inform you that's not where I reside. I'm just a tenant pay rent inside this body, and I got two windows. In those windows what I call in my eyes. I'm just going where the wind blows. I don't get to the side. Those are the first lyrics of the song.

How long does it take you to cop with that? We wrote the song in like an hour and a half, so the lyrics probably took me about thirty five minutes. But there have been times where lyrics I mean, but it's it's hard to say because like, I've lived my whole life to write like the one song. So I feel like it's like a culmination of a lot of things that result in every single song. So it's not like how long did it take? It's like, well, I wrote it in a day, but I've lived a lot

of days before I wrote the song. So yeah, I know you've talked a lot about your struggle with anxiety, which I can relate to. U. Is it therapeutic songwriting? Does that help? Um? No, releasing the songs helps. So when I get a reaction of like you know, you get comments on the YouTube video and then you can

actually see that people relate that helps. UM writing the song, UM you is probably it's it's writing songs is like, especially when you do it for work, it's like a tends to sometimes be painful because you don't always want to be in the studio, but you know, like you got to put out a record and you have a deadline and you don't want your record to suck, so

you're like, well, I'm just gonna go to the studio. Um, some days it can be really um, you know, cathartic to like get the idea out, but um, yeah, it's a mixed bag. I don't really know. I think, well, what um have you used to help you with your anxiety? Because I know you do this on your YouTube channel where you go up to people and start singing to them, and like for someone who's anxious like myself, I'm like, that would stress me. Yeah, it stresses me out too.

It's not fun. I don't like to Why do you do it? Because my label said to be a really fun idea to make out a YouTube series, But I did it because I was out of necessity. I didn't really have a choice. I got dropped from my first record company, and I didn't own the master rights to any of my songs, and the only way that I could spread my music was by literally going out on

the street and playing my songs for people. So I did it because I had to, um, you know, and then everyone's like, oh, that's such like a cool part of your story. You should go out and do it again. I'm like should. I Like that was like one of like the worst times in my life, but at the same time, it is fun to go out and do it. I think the thing that's most therapeutic for me spending time in my family. But also I really do like performing,

like in a venue that's really fun. It's fascinating by that because for like for me, I feel like that would just give me more anxiety, but for you it doesn't. Well, um no, because I think that like the sort of when you're opening for someone, it's a little bit of

a different story. And even that I like that challenge, but sort of like the terms of of the engagement I've already been set before you get there, right, you know, you know, the people they know what they're getting, they want to be there, and then it's you know, it's not so scary, and it's also like it's a pretty one sided conversation. Sometimes people will scream at you when you're on stage. You know that can be a challenge,

but um, it's normal. It's different. It's different than like going to a party where you don't know anyone and like having like a hey, you know it's it's really great, it's cool out and you're like, yeah, man, yeah it is. That's like those situations always stressed me out, Like having to go somewhere when you know no one you go by yourself. That's just like m m yeah, that can be difficult. How do you handle that? Um, working on it? Well,

how do you do this? I mean this is like this is very uh when when you get up in front of like a you know, a thousand people or whatever, it's like you're not looking anyone in the eye. I feel like this something like this is like a little bit more nerve wracking. So how do you you ever

get nervous having conversations every time? But like a good nerves It's I don't know, it's cool talking to people like you know, you see them doing these crazy things, but people forget like you're human, like you're a person, sure you know, And I think that's really cool to just see that in real time as well. Okay, that's why I like to do it all right, So when you're on the tour bus when that's just seems so stressful to me to be on a tour bus. Yeah,

I live on a tour bus. Yeah, I don't like it. How do you do that? Not well? Not well? No, Um, the first time I was on a tour bus, we were in an accident. Um, so that was pretty not fun. Yeah, that was not fun. And then since then it's been difficult for me to like be on a tour bus. I sound like I'm not really happy about everything, but I'm like having a great time, you know, like life is really good. Um, but there are definitely aspects of like touring that I don't love. But how do I

how do I do it? Well? I just focus on the fact that like the next night I'm going to get to play a show for people, and that's I get to share my music with people and have a really awesome experience, and like the whole process of that is worth it for me. So um, yeah, it's worth it for me to be on a tour bus. But

also how do I deal with it? I try to have like friends, you know, I try to tour with people and play shows with people that I really enjoy being around, and then you know that can be really fun. Sleep better or worse, way worse. Yeah, people say it's nice to sleep when it's moving. Yeah, I've yet. I've yet to meet those people. No, I'm just kidding. No. No, we have a couple of kids on the tour bus who were like, man, I sleep so good on the bus.

I'm like, you're crazy where it's at. Yeah, that's true. It gives me nightmares, So I've heard that. Yeah, it's not for me. Yeah, but I'm I'm starting to enjoy being on a tour bus. But it's a it's a it's a skill, like learning how to live on a tour bus. So I'm getting better. Yeah, have you been on a tour bus? I like, I went on one just to look at one. If you can. Did you did you sleep on it? No? No? Whose tour bus was it? E? Smith? Okay? Very cool. What's your go

to snap? Would you say my go to snack? Well, it depends on well, it just depends on like what mode I'm in, you know, right now, I'm trying to stay healthy. So like I would tell you that, like you would be like carrot sticks, you know, but that Proba probably lasts for about two and a half weeks and then I'll probably go back to eating slim jims and Dorito's lovely. So that's that's like what But it

just depends. It depends on also where we are, like geographically, you know, so if we're in like the UK or Europe, like we have a lot more options. You know, there's a lot more junk food that you can really play with. You know. Something that I've been kind of dealing with his you know, I'm doing all these really cool like interviews and all these things, and it all happens at once and then kind of like come off the high of it all, it's like everything is back to normal.

So when you when that happens to you after a show, how do you not hit that? You don't? You do hit it? You hit it every time. It's like I was explaining to someone, I was like, Yo, yeah, you know you go to you're at You're at John Mayer's house, and then you know you're back at home living with your parents, and like that's cool too, but it's not like the John Massey So it's just it's just it's just one of those things. Um, I don't have an answer for you. Do you like living at home? Oh? Yeah,

I do. I do, except for when I go on a date, you know, and then I'm like, oh, I also like live with my parents, you know. But now I'm just kidding. I wouldn't change it. I like living living at home, especially when I spend a lot of time on the road. So your album, these two it is, Yeah, Okay, how long has it taken you to rate this album

because it's your first debut album. Yeah, it's like a while, I guess, um, but probably wrote it over like seven months, eight months, um, But you know, throughout the whole process, like I was touring, so it wasn't like a whole like seven months of writing songs. I wrote some songs on tour. I wrote some songs like while I was at home, and then I wrote pieces of songs like you know, just all all over the place. So the

process of making the album's taken a while. But if I had like it wasn't like when I made my last project, I had like a whole eight months where I could just like be at home. So some of these songs have I've actually had for like a couple of years. My favorite song is the Book of You and I. Oh cool, how have you heard it? It's not out yet, this will be out, okay, cool, alright, that's my favorite song on there too. Well maybe it is. I haven't decided. Why is the Book of You and

I one of your favorites? Um? Because I feel like, you know, people tell me that it's their favorite. So that's why. Because ultimately, I'm a performer, so like, I want to make the audience happy. So if people like one song over the other one, and I like one song over the other song, how long did it take for that song to have? For you to write that song? I wrote it like in a day, you know. But I wrote it two years ago. Um. So I've been hanging onto the song for a while and I never

really thought anything of it. And then I played it for my mom and my mom was like, oh, yeah, I like that song. You should put it out. And so I'm going to. So the song the Book of You and I. What is the story behind the song? This song is about a girl that I liked and

she broke up with me. And when she broke up with me, I pretended like it didn't matter to me because she was like this is gonna be the best thing for us, and I was like, for sure, because I didn't want to admit to her that it made me upset, and so this is my admission of being like, oh man, I wish I didn't have to end. That's what the song is about. And has she heard it?

Uh yeah, but it's like she's married now, so it's all good, Like it's it's a it's the you know, it's it's it's I don't know what I'm gonna say, but it's it's over. Yeah, it's over. It sounds like I don't know. When I listened to I was like, it's kind of magical. Thanks, you know, it puts you through like, um, it kind of reminded me have like old Taylor Swift when how we describe like a story of something and I thought, I thought it was brilliant that you took a book but then used it to

as a metaphor of a relationship. Is that one of the songs where you had the title and yeah, I found I had the title on like a plane. And then I was like going to my friend's house the next day to make some music and I was like, yeah, I've got this title, like we should turn this into a song, and that's how I made the song. So that's that's like how I do. That's how I've done most of the songs that I've written for the last

like two or three years. But I'm thinking that, like my formula is probably gonna change soon because I'm getting Yeah, I'm getting tired of it. Maybe I'm going to write like in a different way. But to be honest, the lyrics are the most important thing for me because if you told me like tomorrow, like hey, you could still make music, but you can't write lyrics with your songs,

I probably wouldn't make music anymore because lyrics is the story. Well, the lyrics are like, you know, the part of the song for me where it's like it's more important that some that that I have something to say instead of like but and like. Music is just like the vehicle um to like express how I feel. UM. So if I wouldn't, if I couldn't write lyrics, and I wouldn't, I would find another form of expression. What do you think that would be? Uh? Maybe a podcast. I'm like

I'm really into podcast. I listened to like a lot of a lot of podcasts I listened to. There's so many. But I really like Joe Rogan, so he's cool. You ever listened to his podcast? I've listened to a few episodes. I really like Dax Shepherds. Okay, cool? Do you know theo Van? I'm a fan of his podcast. There's like a lot of pods. There's this guy named Eric Eric Weinstein who has a cool podcast. Yeah, there's like a

whole There's a lot of them. So I'm sure there's a lot of podcasts that you listen to that I'm not familiar with. And there are so many podcasts. That's what's so cool about it. I feel like, what do you ever draw? No? No, what do you ever act? Maybe I would like do some sort of you know, sketch comedy or something. I don't wouldn't do stand up But are you talking like S and L type? It may be cool to try and write some skits for other people or something like that that would be fun

to do. I don't think I'm not like a stand up comedy kind of person. I don't know, I'm not like I'm not funny enough to do. You have like any good go to jokes? No? Okay, I'm going to get my parents are going to roll their eyes. I read this on Ellen when I was eight years old, and it's okay, what do you call a fake noodle? Uh? It's I want to I don't know, and the pasta okay, Yeah, I was gonna I was thinking if you're going to say, what do you call a scared noodles? Thinking a chicken noodle?

That that's the other, that's a ya. Another thing I want to talk to you about is you know you got signed, Yes I did, and then you got dropped? Yes I did. How do you have What was it like coming back after then getting signed again? And how do you stay motivated and not? I have like an interesting I have an interesting like it was? It was? It taught me a lot getting signed to a label at a young age. Um, you know a lot of a lot of stuff comes down to timing, you know,

and like it wasn't the right time. Um I think that, like, um, it's it's I wrote a whole album when I was signed to Columbia Records and then they dropped me, and then you know, it would have been one thing if like the music wasn't good enough and for a long time, like I believe that it wasn't. You know. It's like, well,

just this just wasn't the album. And then you know, now I have a song that's I wrote six years ago that should have been a hit like multiple times, and it's finally now it's called the water Fountain maybe getting out there, and so like, you know, at first I was really excited, but now I'm kind of like, oh, man, Like for some reason, it makes it makes me look back and be like, uh, when't this could have happened when I was eighteen, you know, And so I'm like, man,

think about how how much time I wasted. Um So, I have a very troubled relationship with that whole thing. But at the same time, I'm grateful for the opportunity to think ultimately, in the long run, it will make me like a much stronger artist. And things happen when they're supposed to. Um So. Yeah. So in those moments when you found out you got dropped, did you ever want to give up music or was it something you know?

I didn't? Um, I didn't. When I got dropped. I remember my manager called me and he was like, hey, um, this is uh you know, we spoke to so and so at the label and they said that, you know, they're no longer gonna have you as an artist on the label, and you know, there's nothing we can do about it. And I was like, all right, what do we do now? You know, you kind of just gotta figure what the next step is. Um. But there was never a point where I was like I'm going to

give up. I think that's important. It's really that must be hard to do, especially at how old are you when you got dropped? I was twenty one, so I was like an adult, you know, yeah, Um, but I guess it's hard at any age. Um. But yeah, it was a bummer, but it is what it is. So as a singer songwriter, is it one of those things because I've always been curious about this. Does it like can you remember a song and you can put it

back your head and focus on it later? Is one of those things where like you wake up in middle night because it's all you can think about writing songs? Yeah? Um, it just depends on it just depends. Sometimes I really have like a song idea that I got it write down, like right before I'm getting on stage, or and sometimes I have to force myself to write music because I am just not feeling like it. Um So it just it just depends how do you do it when you're

like just not in the mood. Because I feel like it's one of those things. Well, I don't really have a choice because ultimately it's like my job. So I wake up and then I'm like, well, I don't really want to finish my album, and then you know, the labels like, well it's do. So it's not really about what I want sometimes, Whereas like you know, when I was fifteen, if I didn't want to write a song, I didn't have to. But I made the decision that this is how I want to support myself financially. So

it's not always about what I want to do. It's about what I have to do. It's called responsibility. Yeah. Yeah, So in your free time, what do you do when you're not writing music? Uh? This? You know, chill? Well, I mean, you know, hopefully I try to have to promote the music, you know, So it's like making music and promoting it in like a cycle. That's what I do. What are you most excited for about this album? Putting it out? Yeah, just like seeing how people feel about

the songs. That I made. How does this album differ from your stuff in the past. It's the next step in my evolution as an artist. So like older, Yeah, I'm older and I have different things on my mind. And um, musically, uh, the instrumentation and production on some of the songs is I feel like a little bit more involved. So as an artist, what is your goal? Is it to win? Graham means, is it to really

to more people? Uh? Well, I think I'll have a I think I'll have a way of changing that so that you know, whatever I ultimately do achieve, I'll try to find a way to tell myself if that was my goal the whole time. But if you ask me total world domination, I want. I want it all and I don't want to compromise my integrity as an artist either,

So that probably won't happen, But that's my goal. As you grow as an artist, are you afraid because you know, more people have more opinions that's gonna um affect the quality of your music. Yeah, well I'm not afraid of that. Um, I'm afraid that I'm going to take into consideration the wrong opinions because um, because like I don't know everything. You know, and I like to make my music better, and I do listen to people. I'm open to listening

to other people's input. It's just I don't always trust myself that I know who knows what they're talking about, you know. So sometimes I feel like I have to find the right people. Who's who are going to give me the right input? How do you know if someone's like the right person you can trust? Um, I give them one chance and if it's wrong, then I don't

give them another chance. Yeah. No, I listened to my friend Chrissie and my mom and I play them music and they've been right almost every single time on which songs are going to connect and which ones aren't. And uh so you know that's who I listened to. Yeah, but but but you know, I'm I'm also open that will evolve because I have more people around me, and

then you know they those two don't know everything. And I always the more people you have giving you ideas the best to just have to make sure that you pick and choose which ones are right for you. So I'm sure I've made mistakes and I'll continue to make those mistakes, but I think a bigger brain trust is always better. Yeah, that's what the computer lets you do. That's ultimately like how I decide, right, Like yeah, my mom, my friend Chris Chrissie choose. But like who lets me

decide is like my fans. You know, if I post a song and they're not listening to it, it doesn't matter what anybody says, like the record company or whatever. If if people don't like the music, they don't like the music, you know, so it doesn't My mom could be like, this is the best song you ever made, It doesn't matter if the fans aren't listening to it. Would you ever try another genre of music? No? No, Well, I don't love I love music, but I like a

certain kind of music. You know. I'm not like I don't dance or anything, and I don't like have any like you know, I'm not trying to like make club music, so like that wouldn't make me happy. It's not the goal. Um. So no, this is probably like the genre that I'll stay in forever. Um I love like Bob Dylan and Paul Simon and Leonard Cohen and those kinds of people

who like are they have a message? Um? And there are other types of music too, like obviously there's a lot of rock music and hip hop music or whatever, but I don't see myself as like one of those artists, like a rock or hip hop artist. Dream collap you know what. I just worked with Kasey Musgraves. That was

really cool. Um, that was really fun. But it's hard, Like artist collaborations can be difficult, especially when you work with someone as talented as like Casey or John Mayer or whatever, because it's like they're already making amazing stuff, you know, so sometimes it's like figuring out like what you guys are gonna do together, Like how you're gonna

make something awesome together. It's can be challenging. Um, But my dream artist collaboration, I don't I can't answer that for you, but it was pretty awesome getting to hang out with John and getting to work with Casey, and I work with Khalid that was really cool. Um. But like Casey and Khalid are like two of the most talented people I've ever been around, So sometimes the challenges is like, well, how do I add something to this

or is that ever intimidating like going into the room. Yeah, sure, but it's intimidating going to the room with anybody you know, whether they've had success or not, doesn't. It's always like, how are we gonna do this? Because you're starting with nothing. So but that's what's really cool. I think you start with an idea in your head and then it's out

in the world. Yeah. Well, sometimes you walk into the session you don't even have an idea in your head, and then you have to write, you know, come up with one, and that can make it more challenging. Do you remember the first time you had like you had the idea for something and then the world is hearing it.

Do you remember that feeling? It just happened so many times where it's like when I made a song and then released it yeah, yeah saying uh saying replay by ia s on Facebook and I posted the video and it was horribly embarrassing. So that's that's the first half the time I can remember, like I was like, yeah, I'm gonna put out this cover I did on my Facebook. Um, but it was it was it was horrifying and exhilarating at the same time. So that's why I guess why

I keep doing it. Yeah, is that feeling just like, is it like an addiction? Almost? Yeah? Is mhmm. Very interesting. M M well, I think you should make a podcast, all right, maybe I will. Maybe I will. Thank you for having me on your podcast. I appreciate it. Thanks. Your album is incredible. Thanks. I cannot wait to see you perform. Okay, well I'm excited. Uh and you're amazing at what you do, so I appreciate it. Thanks for for it was it was a privilege to do this

with you. Thanks, thank you. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Letslie Real Podcast. I hope you guys enjoyed it. To make sure you follow Alec Benjamin on all of the socials It's at Alec Benjamin and stay tuned for his album These Two Windows. Also, Alex just to release a new song called six ft Apart inspired by COVID nineteen and it's such a beautiful song and has a beautiful message and it's what the

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