#065 The Next Cure All: Carbon60 with engineer Chris Burres

spk_0:   0:00
Welcome to the less stressed life podcast. This is your host, Krista Bigler. Private practice, Integrated nutritionist helping people across the U. S. Reverse digestive issues. Exuma and auto immunity via phone and video. Consult toe, learn more. Visit less stressed nutrition dot com Now onto the show. Alright. Today on the less dress like we have Chris Burress. Gosh, I hope I said that right. And Chris can correct me. So Chris is a mechanical engineer turned scientist turned entrepreneur. He uses a Nobel Prize winning chemical tested by NASA that's been shown to double life span in rats in products that Chris is on a mission to make carbon 60. Ah, household name to help people live longer, healthier and pain free lives One dose at a time. Welcome. Chris.

spk_1:   0:52
Thank you so much. Kristen, I'm so happy to be here. And by the way, you did pronounce my last name correctly, so eso excellent.

spk_0:   0:58
Yeah. Thank you. All right, Chris, tell me what's going on here. We've got this. We've got this stuff that no one knows What it ISS tell me a little bit about this we're talking about here. I'm like, what's going on with you like? Where did this come from? And you told me this started in engineering school as an accident.

spk_1:   1:15
Yeah. So I I was attending studying to get a degree in mechanical engineering at the University of Houston. Go Kooks. And I had met my now business partner, Robert Wong, in our physics class. And he has an entrepreneur background. His dad wasn't was an entrepreneur, and at the time, he was actually separating full Arendse and we proceeded Segway just a little bit here. So full Arendse or the third form of carbon, you've got diamond graphite and now full Arendse and the most abundant full ring. Because there's a lot of molecules and Phil Arendse is carbon 60 affectionately known as the buckyball and a quick way to kind of imagine what a buckyball looks like it if you imagine the lines on a soccer ball, those lines represent the bonds between the carbon atoms. So you have the spherical molecules of carbon. So he was separating in, isolating C 60 at the center, Texas Center for Super Conductivity, which is, you know, at the University of Houston and one of his professors like hay. The material at the time was selling for $6000 a gram, so that's kind of hard to wrap your head around sometimes. Um, and one of his professors was like, Well, you're young kids. You should start a business making this stuff. Uh, and so he ran with it and kind of incorporated me because of my mechanical engineering background. And so we designed the equipment to make it. And now that's how he got involved in carbon Nano materials.

spk_0:   2:39
I love that you were able to wrap that up in like a minute Chris, because I feel like it's actually a lot more complicated, but we're like, OK, carbon, we're familiar with pencils and other stuff. And now we got soccer balls. Perfect. So you were Manu. You know you're making this. Who was your initial? Who was the original consumer of this?

spk_1:   2:58
Okay, so the original consumer really was researchers around the world. We used to kind of joke. People would ask us, you know, friends and family What what do you do? And I would kind of go through that spiel, and then they say, Well, what What is that good for? And the kind of joke and fact was, it was really good for funding because in the early stages, with the guy who invade discovered it. Ah, Dr Richard Smalley at Rice University. Also here in Houston. Um, he won the Nobel Prize, so he discussed made the discovery in 1985 in 1996. Only 11 years later, he won the Nobel Prize for that discovery, and and I didn't know this kind of prior to getting involved in this, but ah, an 11 year from Discovery to Nobel Prize is pretty phenomenal. Typically, it's 30 40 maybe even 50 years. Plus that they awarded, you know, sometimes it's ah, you know, after the the researcher has passed away that they're actually making the Nobel Prize Awards. You know, Discovery 85 Nobel Prize 96. We started that our company in 1991 and have been manufacturing and selling it and so fast with all all the way to 2019. And we really, really have to primary applications right now. One of them is the health one that will kind of get into, and then the other one is a solar cells. There's a couple of others, but those were the primary ones. And yeah, in the beginning, it was just if you wanted to get funded, you write a research grant about about the buckyball or or the full Rene's, and and you would get funded because it was just very exciting. One way to describe it is the buckyball performs as well or better than the current best material and almost every application. So it makes better ink than carbon, black and ink and also in tires. It makes better solar cells. It makes actually one of the applications that it's pretty cost competitive with him. So we might see it soon is, ah, lithium and battery sales. One of the challenges with our cell phones, right? They they work perfectly on day one, and then a year later it doesn't charge as much as theirs. Actually, deterioration of the lithium in the battery and what's amazing about the buckyball, which also makes it a really good antioxidant in the body, is that's got this sixfold symmetry so it can hold electrons and release those electrons without destroying the molecule. And so that's why I can make a good battery. And ultimately that's why it makes a great antioxidant.

spk_0:   5:20
So in my brain it's because it's so well structured or it's just a really, I don't know, like a reliable structure. So you were talking earlier about benzene and what is benzene used in? And this is the three d version of benzene.

spk_1:   5:31
Yes, yes. Oh, so is one of the reasons that Dr Smalley won the Nobel price so quickly is benzene is everywhere. The benzene ring isn't. You know, it's the foundation of like most medicines, it's in plastic, so you can't go through your daily life without encountering Tenzing. Now, benzene on its own is a liquid is carcinogenic and and so you want to stay away from that. But once you start adding things to the benzene ring, then it starts serving a lot of different purposes for really, for humanity. And so they thought of the buckyball is this three d version of benzene and they could still do the chemistry on the external exterior of it. And that's why he won the Nobel Prize price so quickly.

spk_0:   6:11
Cool. I like I'm gonna bring that up later. How benzene on its own is carcinogenic. And then when you apply to other things, that make sense? Because I feel like that showed up a little bit when I was reading the research about carbon 60. Like, you need to apply this properly. Problem?

spk_1:   6:25
Absolutely. That end. And so, you know, this study that will get into your shortly really wasn't a longevity study. It was a toxicity study because they assumed that C 60 was like benzene and something that you would want to put in your body.

spk_0:   6:38
Okay, so, to recap, what started as your project in mechanical engineering school with a friend, and it wasn't really meant to be long term, but here we are, talking about it, you know, I think quite a while we

spk_1:   6:52
don't need to do that,

spk_0:   6:52
man. Yeah, but we're talking about a long time later, and it started, as you know, kind of one thing. Like, we don't even know what this is for. But we know it's gonna be significance and significant and science like we know that this is smart wish. Probably get on the beginning end of it. And now it's kind of turned a little bit. I mean, we're talking about something for health and antioxidants at the same time. We're talking about something you used to make solar energy. So I mean, that's not things we usually put in the same sentence. I don't like we usually put those things in the same sentence. So let's understand about how it became a health thing, right? Like, when did that start?

spk_1:   7:27
Yeah. So, um, in 2012 they decided to do a toxicity study again. They thought it was gonna be like benzene, so they just assume it would be toxic. And so in Paris, France is a peer reviewed study. They gave one set of test subjects with which were rats. They gave one set water once that olive oil. And then once that olive oil with C 60 again, I I didn't know this until kind of digging into this. When you do a toxicity study, you don't just give a little to the rats and see if you know, try and monitor If they're feeling, you know, if they have an upset tummy, you give a lot to them because you want it. You're trying to figure out what the safe doses are for human, or if even if this is just only gonna be a solar sail application. If it gets ingested, where are the safe levels right now? They gave these threats lots of material. And then a typical wister rat will die at about 32 months on. And they will have a known tumor count, so they'll have tumors in them. The ones that they gave olive oil didn't die. At 32 months, they lived to 62 months. In fact, they killed the last rat at 62 months of their two rats left in the study. Those are the only rats that were left. Were, uh, the ones given all of will was C 60 when one of them died there, like, Okay, there's only one left. And you know, this experiment has already gone twice as long as it was ever supposed to go on DSO we're done, and we want to publish these results. And those rats, even though they live twice his own, didn't have any tumors.

spk_0:   8:53
So that was in 2012. So did you Kind of. When did you find out about that study? And then like since then What's happened?

spk_1:   9:03
Yeah. So, um, what started happening, probably about mid 2013 is people started calling us and asking, You know how much in a dose? And you can imagine our mindset. Like we sell this to research institutions around the world. They put it in solar cells. They put it in batteries, they put it in tires. Um, when you're asking, it was a very foreign concept for us, right? And the literature was pretty clear that it was safe, but we just our mindset was carbon Any material scientists? So we actually, for the first time in company history, added not for human consumption toe all of our packaging. Um, we never had that issue prior to this, and that was that was in 2013. Now, we did sell the kind of premixed olive oil with C 60 in it. If you wanted to reproduce that rat experiment. Ah, and there were companies out there that we're definitely selling it. Um, you know, they also had labeling for research purposes only, but they they knew where this product was going in the e. R. If you had a question there.

spk_0:   10:05
No, I was thinking about feeding it to my really old rabbit and see what happens. Well, only joking.

spk_1:   10:13
Yeah, no, like so if you want your rabbit to live longer, Um, by the way, I didn't mention this. The rats doubling their life so they actually love 90% longer. That's the single longest longevity experiment on mammals known to man. The only other way to like you appreciate this as a nutritionist, right, is if you starve yourself half to death, you can usually extend your life by 10 to 15%.

spk_0:   10:41
Well, that's really big right now, actually, Right, Which we don't wanna get into because it could be misinterpreted. But that is, you know, the scientist who figured that out. Everyone thought he was an idiot

spk_1:   10:52
s So So yeah, so, you know, And if that is the only other path, you know from a nutrition perspective, who wants to live that kind of starved life difference between whatever you know, short term fasting, and then that study was really like for the life span of the mammal. So 90% extension is just really a significant amount and a significant change. So it's on 2013. We had this tour packaging on, and then in 2017 a guy by the name of Cliff High has got a really big YouTube following. He talks about finance. He talks about Bitcoin and he started talking about that. He was taking C 60 and the benefits that he was getting from taking C 60 on really. The industry sold out, so he just had enough of a following that people started researching in the industry. Sold up. Now everybody in the industry sold out except for us, because we're the largest manufacturer and distributor of the raw product carbon 60. And so we we didn't sell out and continue to sell the oil. So coming into 2018 I really had to. I don't do a little bit of soul searching on the carbon and a material scientist. This supplement has kind of landed in my lap. I never, never sought it out, and I'm certainly as skeptical, if not more, than a lot of people about supplements. And so I had to ask myself, really two key questions, and one of them is a moral question. In the other is a legal question. Morally, do I feel comfortable selling this? So in 2018 we took off not for human consumption, because the literature is pretty clear and you have this rat study, right? They live twice as long. It's a non toxic material. I take it my wife takes it every almost everybody. I'm actually everybody on my team here takes It s so morally uncomfortable selling the product and then the other one is legal. And so, really, in this case, it's two issues. Is FDA in the FTC? And really, I can check. Those boxes were on the right side of of both of those institutions. And so in 2018 we decided, All right, let's let's, you know, let's go ahead and start selling this product. Um,

spk_0:   12:55
Devil's advocate here. Can you tell me the dose that was given in the rats and were there some issues? I mean, that was the toxicity study, and I thought some other rats, I mean, I read it kind of quickly, but it weren't some other as they end up with fatty liver of something. Do you remember?

spk_1:   13:11
So, um, I don't remember that particular section. I've got a director of research who I could certainly ask that question to get back to you with what they did. A couple of the actually, that one rat study the body study could be broken down into five separate studies. It was so complex. My director of researchers kind of reiterated that many times, and one of them is that they gave carbon tetrachloride to the rats, which is a known oxidant, right, which is known to do damage to the liver on dhe, the rats that were given C 60 and olive oil. It showed significant protective effects. And actually the liver's recovered prior to them kind of autopsy ing the rats. That was not true for the rats that were in the water group.

spk_0:   13:58
Okay, Actually, I think that's exactly what it was. And you're right, because when you're reading it And if you don't, if you're not familiar with each one of these compounds, you'd have to go look up what you do. And that's I recall. It's

spk_1:   14:09
a lot of work. Let's

spk_0:   14:11
actually what they were talking about was, um, the technical right. I remember that. It was like the CCL something. Got it. Okay, so how much of the dose were they taking in rats? And how are you translating that to humans? Because I tell you what. The people listening to this are not gonna think that that's translatable, so we'll talk about

spk_1:   14:30
it. Yeah, well, it s so there's two things. Two things to look at. So one of them in and I have been desperately trying to find one. I'm trying to find ah longevity study that's in mammals. That's longer, right? And it may seem like easy. Of course, I've Googled and gotten into the research. Ah, research articles, research gate. Um, and I haven't found it. So if anybody out there knows of a study that's on mammals, that's longer. I'd love to know about it because I'm just not aware of it. Um And then the other issue that I'm trying desperately to find is there's gotta be a known number of of medical applications that you apply to rats that translate to humans. Right? So is it is it 10% of things that work on rats don't work on humans, is it 90% like there's there's gotta be some number

spk_0:   15:21
after they did rats. Then they decide after a while you just get to bigger animals and then you decide that it's safe to trial on humans. I

spk_1:   15:28
think they go Typically, they go from rats see humans, they really go. They do go from rats to humans. And and so I was on the phone with a professor at DePaul University and asked this question, and his answer was, Ah, was, ah, kind of a little bizarre and sorry that's gonna be long and a little bit long and involved, but I think it's really interesting. His response to me was to say, Well, here's the one case that everybody uses, too, as quote unquote proof that when you do a test on rats, it doesn't actually apply to humans. And it was It was I think it was a fertility related drug and when they brought it into humans that had adverse effects on the fetus. And so everyone kind of holds this as the pinnacle. Hey, you can't you know. Not all rat studies are are applicable to humans, but then

spk_0:   16:13
I'm fiddle for that study because I feel like that's a deep rabbit hole right there.

spk_1:   16:19
Well, no, this is the interesting part. So he comes back and he says, Had they looked at the fetuses in the rat study that they did on this particular drug, they would have recognized that it had Detrol limit detrimental effects on the fetus is they were looking at the fertility health of the mom, not on the results of the fetus. So this pinnacle, you know, ah, study that they use to prove you shouldn't believe rats are applicable to humans is actually was done wrong. And so my takeaway is that that well moved all and this is again. I'm just really trying to find this information. But almost all studies on rats are applicable to humans. And I don't know if this is just interesting. Rats are genetically more similar to us than two mice, which is so counter intuitive. Um, but yeah, so So you asked about dosage. Basically, there's a way to analogue metric calculation. And what that's looking at and really kind of long and short of it is, is we have a different metabolism than a rat. We all know that. And so there's gotta be a way to translate from what makes sense in a rat toe. What makes sense any human And that's called on Allah metric calculation. Interestingly, it's based on surface area. I'm still geeky scientist guy, and so I just find that fascinating, and that's the best kind of interpretation they have. So So basically, I did analogue metric calculation of what they were given, and we end up right at about five mils for us.

spk_0:   17:53
Okay, I got it for humans. But humans really different humans are all different size, too.

spk_1:   17:58
Absolutely. Yes. So we So once you do the ala metric adjustment, then you can do a per kilogram adjustment. And so that's we've actually got a dosage calculator on our site.

spk_0:   18:09
Okay, so let's go backwards and talk about C 60. More like what's actually happening. We were talking about you said earlier, benzene was carcinogenic on his own. But when you applied to these different things, so can see 60 but be both protective and toxic.

spk_1:   18:23
So? So our current understanding is C 60 in olive oils. Lipid full arena is protective. There's lots of kind of in Petri dish studies that's actually showing its beneficial in all sorts of all sorts of ways. So one of the kind of oncology studies that they don't have done is that C 60 not only protects the the right sells, it had actually increased the efficacy of, um of the chemotherapy in actually taking out the cancer cells. So that's that's one particular study that have read. Now there is some any literature that shows that C 60 that there's challenges with C 60 whether it's in rats or mice or whatever they're. They're one of two cases that are true. So one of them is in order to separate C 60 from C 70 from the other full of rings. You've got to go through a chemical process, and that process uses solvents. If you don't properly remove the solvents, then you're actually putting dangerous solvents like benzene in your body. So you definitely need to be working with the company that knows what they're doing in terms of getting these solvents out. And every paper that we've looked at that shows a little bit of detrimental effects. Actually, they didn't properly clean the solvent out of C 60 and then the other situation is C 60 is not water soluble, right? So if you just drop, you know C sixties, basically a black powder. If you put it in a glass of water, it'll just float around in the water, right? Um, if you you can, because it's similar to benzene. You can attach all sorts of things on the outside. You can make it water soluble, but as soon as you make it water soluble, those studies show that the water soluble version of C 60 is is detrimental to health.

spk_0:   20:08
Yeah, and this isn't a super relevant that there's a lot of pretty cool supplements that that have kind of come out in recent years, and a lot of them are using light. Visible are kind of lipid delivery. Not that life is on the little bit of the same, but they are using a liquid they're using A fact Okay for everyone listening to kind of and you were fine and the results are good. People are really absorbing and using this better then some other ones. And I have some actually some good theories about that with how things get into the cell. But let's talk first about you alluded to. There's other studies about carbon 60. We're you know, we're hanging had a little bit on this rat study because it's, you know, extremely like, yeah, yeah, but there's other studies, like I found a dermatology one. So talk to me about where that c sixties been studied and what you found?

spk_1:   20:53
Yeah. So I think there's a group out of Japan that has a gun, a commercial lotion that has C 60 in it. And so it's been found to have UV radiation protective properties. Um, and and then when you go from there, um, it really opens wide up. There's a lot of people doing a lot of research. There is actually recently a patent issued to a company called Life Pet and they've got some anti carcinogenic effects and pet s Oh, they've got a particular formulation that includes C 60 on DDE have actually gotten a patent for the fact that it helps with this anti carcinogenic aspect in pets. So it really it really runs the gamut. I mean, if we get into kind of specific, you know, questions about, like, does it help s? Oh, maybe this is the thing, and we haven't even discussed this even in the pre show. It's a known antioxidant and anti inflammatory in the current literature on Aging is that it's caused by oxidation and inflammation. And so if you've got this one component that is an antioxidant and an anti inflammatory. Then you're you know you're ticking and it's a super version of those. Then you're taking off two of those boxes. It's, um it's important to note also. So I mentioned a five mil. Does when you take a five mil? Does even though not much C 60 by weight will dissolve in olive oil. The buckyball is so small right that one teaspoon has Maur molecules of C 60 in it than you have cells in your body. It's kind of hard to wrap your mind around. It's just so you know, it's I think it's seven extra mes across 70.7 nano meters across. And so it's so small that this one teaspoon could actually kind of have one buckyball for each of the cells in your body and then have some left over one of our consistent testimonials. And this is the first time I've really kind of talked about benefits, so I do need to insert. The FDA hasn't evaluated our product. It's not intended to treat diagnosis, cure or prevent any disease. Great, we've got that out of the way. One of the one of the consistent testimonials that we get is better sleep and and And we were talking. Sleep is so important. I think even in your in your practice you think you said something about If why isn't this person getting you know, the results that they're looking for And when you kind of identify that there's a lack of sleep wth an you that that explains everything, um are consistent testimonials. Better sleep. We've got people say, um, they used to not sleep until one. And you know, 1 a.m. they couldn't sleep, and now they're actually able to go to sleep at 10 a.m. And I've got a business coach who's his testimonial is for 50 years. I needed an alarm clock, and since I started taking C 60 I wake up before the alarm clock. I no longer need the alarm clock. And so there's something about better sleep and and again, better sleep really improves every every aspect of

spk_0:   24:04
pretty much, Yeah, it's pretty non negotiable. And the challenging thing out there in the world is that, like I mean, I have to step back and look at the severity of what people have to deal with right, like I would never. There's never a time where I would run out of people to help, right? Because everyone, you're something, uh, so if we can do things that are safe, that helped. But it's fun to know. I prefer to know the mechanism of action, and I don't think we've we know that yet besides Santa accident and just detective Now, I will tell you, Chris, I work in dermatology quite a bit, right? So do a lot of G I stuff and then also skin stuff. And so I'm reviewing a study right now in experimental dermatology about Fuller and C 60 with Seidel protective inside a toxic potential prospects is a novel treatment agent in dermatology is actually really nicely written for, like a lay person, because it's well organized and it kind of goes through like it pulls out. It's sort of like a summary of other research, Ray. It's like here's what we noticed when we topically put it on alopecia, which is hair loss. I mean, that's like a big deal. You said it. We in rats like it started to regrow hair like, um, here's what we noticed on some other things. So if nothing else, I will be here is what we noticed with acne. Here's what we noticed after a laser treatment, Here's what we noticed in wound healing like that, all those things alone or kind of a big deal so that I might be I may be, Ah, trying this out on some different is because when we're working the skin conditions, I really believe that we've got a deal with the inside. But of course we wanted We want to help mitigate things externally as well, if

spk_1:   25:32
you care for some of those like obvious symptoms. So I I want you for just for a second to put you to put on my hat, right? So my my head is carbon nano material scientists, you know, not for human consumption. And then I read articles like this which have a lot more credibility, right, cause it's an article, but I'm getting testimonials every day that they're that they're blowing me away. And I don't I don't know what to do with them, right? I don't like great. I'm glad you're getting, you know, pain. Inflammation has helped you with the pain that you're experiencing because that's, you know, consistent testimonial. But I don't like I don't have a study on it. Um and I don't know what to do with it. And it's It's It's really tough for me because I want Maur research and it's also in my lap. So it's just, you know,

spk_0:   26:23
I love that you just said that. Make sure you say that in any other podcast interview like, Well, it's almost like this is choosing me because because I'm hearing this and it's a complicated thing because everyone's gonna complain about how we need more research, which when we get totally, we get. But it's a challenge because you're sitting there like Oh my gosh, it's so positive. Um, so I get it. So let's talk about this. Let's talk about the, you know, takeaways here. Are there a lot of C 60 products on the market? You kind of sounded like Hey, you guys were the biggest purveyor of C 60 and then you decided, OK, we can use this for human consumption, and then it turned into a supplement. Um, so talk to me about the C 60 products on the market. You know, the concern is it's so small. Of course I'm not regulated. Not that I'm like advocating tons of regular like we just want. I just want what people say is in something to be in something right, like at the end of the day. That's what I'm looking for, and that's not that's not regulated around. So that is the concern. So let's talk about safety and and what's out there.

spk_1:   27:23
Yeah, so So your statement. You just want to make sure that what's said to be in something is in something, and I and I've actually got a couple of YouTube videos out there. There's a particular product, Andi. It's well placed on search engines, right? So that's that's kind of unfortunate, because I tested the product with a very simple test on, and there's no C 60 in the product. There's like, no C 60 and he's claiming that he's made his own type of C 60 but C 60 is a buckyball. It's a 60 carbon atoms in a sphere. There's no Chris's type of C 60 or Krista's type of C 60. It's one molecule on. The test is really simple. He sells it in sunflower seed oil, and if you put pure C 60 and sunflower seed oil it turns purple. His product is black. And if you filter out the black, which is just amorphous carbon, you're left with a clear sunflower seed oil. If you do that same filtration with purple sunflower seed oil because it has C 60 innit? Purple solution comes through. It's kind of like sugar and sand, right? The sand would stay on top of the filter and the sugar would go through the filter in solution. So yes, you you've got to be careful. I said I was on a Facebook forum just this week, and somebody's like, Hey, my product came and it looks very clear and it looks like just pure olive oil. And, you know, if it looks like you're all the world, it does not have C 60 innit?

spk_0:   28:50
Look purple.

spk_1:   28:51
It will so olive oil because it has kind of green, Hughes looks more amber. Sunflower is a little bit clearer, and so it looks purple in some flower seed oil. Also, M C T. It's purple, but what it shouldn't look like is the base oil, right? So if you just take an M c t oil and put it next to M. C. T. with C 60 in it. Um, it's not. They need to look different. And in the case of olive oil, it needs to be a darker amber color because you put green with purple and you get a dark amber color.

spk_0:   29:21
Yeah, so because you're a nerd and you want to sit around and wonder since your China like, since you're left with this moral dilemma of okay, now I'm in the supplement industry. But there's all these people that are not doing it very well in the supplement industry. So do you like go bile the C 60 intestine sea of it's garbage

spk_1:   29:38
I have been Yeah, it's one of those things, and one of the things you go ahead

spk_0:   29:43
Well, I was gonna say, you know, from a clinician standpoint, right, Like, we are looking for things that work right, Um, and that are safe, but it's really, um I mean, that's a loaded topic, but what we tend to dio when people say, like, how do I pick out this supplement? I find, you know, trusted brands the end, my friend, because I trust So, um, I wonder this is totally irrelevant to our conversation right now. But I wonder if you're considering partnering with, you know, well known brands on purpose, that air trusted by professionals just to do. I mean, I know you're capable of doing it on your own, but it's it's like up uphill slog, isn't it?

spk_1:   30:21
Yeah, I think, um, I have a pair of but we're open Thio partnering with with really with anyone. You know, we're the largest manufacturer and distributor of C 60 and so, you know, ah, partnership with some sort of bigger organization would be great. They might be afraid of a couple things, you know, it's a It's a nano technology, right? I described how many are in a teaspoon that that makes some people nervous. So and to talk about kind of the science side of things, you know, C 60 were planning potentially on putting C 60 with CBD, right? So CBD is just this massive, massive industry

spk_0:   31:02
we're having. It sounds wild on Chris to cure alls. Let's put them together. Yeah,

spk_1:   31:10
and and I'll be honest. It's probably more for marketing, right, because there's about 100,000 CBD brands. I don't know if you knew that, and we're having conversations with people who are supposed to be kind of the route. Ah CBD oil suppliers And we can't get intelligent answers about what's in their product and how they know what's in the problem. So we have HP Elsie's high performance liquid chromatography test equipment. We've had it here, you know, since we started the company back in 1991 again, we don't have to do the math of how long ago that was, and so were like, Hey, if we're gonna go put CBD with our product than we want to know what CVD we're putting in there, what is the profile of it? And we can't get you know, what is the mobile phase on this H p l c analysis that you sent me and we get into it and, you know, we confess issues. They say it sounds like stoners answering us going I gave you the paper is if it's not on the paper, I don't know, and it's frustrating writing. I'm sure that's what you do with like on different types of supplements, is like, Can I go get a reliable source for CBD? Well, I mean, how much investigation do you have to do,

spk_0:   32:16
right? So at the end of the day, you sometimes stand. I mean, that's the thing you have to like, call, get all the research papers. But that's why I mean, you just find a few that are good and, like, game over like Okay, my work here is done. Like I I now trust these two or three companies. The end like there's my recommendations for that. Okay, so I know this has been good. And so let's let's let's put in a couple more things about C 60 that are kind of relevant. I have a note here that because it's an antioxidant, it's, you know, quite it's it's quite a bit more in Vitamin C isn't anti accident, you know that it's quite a bit more potent. Is this because there's so much more? Per, you know, small amount of it are Where does this come from? What do these numbers come from?

spk_1:   32:55
Well, so that's just a small study that was that was published. Andi, I don't know if you know this because as I was digging into this, it's actually not easy to get like a study on the antioxidant capability, especially there's kind of two scales on No. One is Orrick. And then there's another one. And I think the orchid doesn't apply to see 60 just because the way the test is performed, C 60 doesn't work in that environment that way. But what we have that we definitely know that it's an antioxidant. There's thers, other products out there that have significantly higher antioxidant capability. I don't know if you're familiar with Marina.

spk_0:   33:35
It's like, Yeah,

spk_1:   33:36
well, 1200 or 1700 times more powerful than vitamin C right now. Like how that's

spk_0:   33:43
on the oryx scale, though, right?

spk_1:   33:45
Yeah, exactly. So you know what does that really mean? We don't know. And so yes, it's, you know, our numbers 172 times more powerful and vitamin C. Um, but I would argue there's no study on vitamin C that has extended a life of of I don't even know of anything. And so it's not. It's not necessary. It's a It's more of a marketing number than a number you know to say like Oh, well, that's the reason I should be taking

spk_0:   34:15
right well. And that's the tricky thing that's hard to wrap your brain around C 60 is. We're used to talking about things that feel more tangible to us, even though they're micro, micro nutrients or whatever we're used to thinking about. Okay, I know like I understand vitamin C, and I understand that. Then, technically, you really shouldn't be taking super doses of one thing without knowing what it's gonna do to other pieces. But that's a different grab a hold for another day, but with 60 it's It's like it was very accidentally unknown. Yeah, it's an accident, you know. It's it's a it's carbon. It's a very molecular. I mean, I don't know that's proper. It's just different. So it's it's interest. It's like a backbone is a backbone of things, you know? I don't know.

spk_1:   34:55
Yes. Yeah, and, well, one, it's nano, right? So most of the micronutrients, although you know there's individual molecules floating around, it's not kind of intended to be nano, and so you know it has the ability to do a lot of things in the body that other things don't. And you know, one of the things that that were required by the by the FDA is if we have anybody who reports ill effects we've got to report that to the FDA, and we don't know we haven't had to make those reports right. We're the only thing that we ever get is, you know, it is olive oil. We do sell a new original grade and a fine grade, and it's sometimes a finer olive oil will leave a peppery flavor in the back. Your amount. Ah, which goes away with a sip of water. But the two complaints we get our Oh, I don't like that peppery flavor. Some people have even said. Is that rancid? I'm like, you know, if you put something rancid in your mouth, you typically throw up, so I'm gonna go with No, it's not rancid. And then the other one is, um it's just too much oil. You know, a teaspoon of oil for some people is just too much oil. You know, it just doesn't feel good for some people from over different reasons. Yeah. Yeah. And other than that, we don't have any any side effects.

spk_0:   36:09
So you've been selling it for a long time. But, you know, do you think I guess the question should be Do you think people were buying it to take for who wins consumption prior to you, Removing the label for human consumption is that, you know? Pretty likely. So how long? How long have you been selling it? For human consumption? Like a couple of years ish.

spk_1:   36:26
Yeah. So, really, it was the YouTube broadcast in October of 2012. That really well, one made us clean, Clearly aware that people are out there taking it, including this guy was on YouTube, Um, at, but yeah. So people have been taking it. There's one company that we've celled the C 62 since 2012. Really? Shortly after the study came out. Um, and, uh, so they've had consumers since 2012?

spk_0:   36:58
Sure. That makes sense. Well, Chris, I mean, it's gonna be an uphill, You know, I've got this episode of a guy I love, this one, the guy who was into beneficial mushrooms. And he tells me about how, you know, in the seventies, he was going to natural health expose like, you gotta use these daft genic mushrooms. And I was like, Dude, that must have been really hard. Like, now it's like common knowledge was used. I mean, I think it's more common knowledge and health oriented people like adapted genic mushrooms. And I think, Oh, my gosh, you were the pioneer in that field. So we'll be able to look forward at Chris and say they were the pioneer in this field. So I'm totally going to experiment with this, at least thermally, because it's an easy thing that we can do. And I definitely have some, like tricky situations where we could use some. We could always use any help helpers we can get. So anyway, Chris thinks

spk_1:   37:47
I'd be happy to send you, Ah, couple of bottles. And you know, if you're interested, you know, we could get back together and talk about kind of the experiences.

spk_0:   37:55
I think I'm a fan of experimentation like that is, my life is one big experiment and especially personal experiments for me. I like to see how things works. That way I can tell people what to expect. Like yours, how I've seen this work before, no matter what it is. So this is a fun Chris. I'm looking forward to it. So thanks so much for enlightening us today. Is there like a takeaway? Or if I ask you, you know, if someone's kind of interested in this. What's your gut reaction? What do you want to make what you want to leave them with.

spk_1:   38:19
Okay, well, it's certainly happy to share. I'd love to give a coupon code if you're okay with that, Um, and we can give him $15 off of off of a bottle. Um, and I always like to make up, you know, based on our conversation, Is there any any code that you would like? Thio

spk_0:   38:36
like to use less stressed, And we'll put it in the show. Notes

spk_1:   38:39
less stressed. OK, if they so if your listeners go toe my vital si dot com. Basically, you could buy a bottle for a 99 bucks, or you can get on subscription for $74. Um, going and get on subscription. You can cancel it any time you save a bunch of money there and then use less stressed as the coupon code and you'll save $15 on your order.

spk_0:   39:00
Got it? So, Chris, thanks so much for joining us today. People can go to my viol si dot com if they wanna learn more. But it sounds like you and I have a little follow up, and we'll, um we'll see what we came up with. Okay?

spk_1:   39:12
I'm looking forward to it.

spk_0:   39:13
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