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79 - Why Do We Have To 'Out' Ourselves?

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In this episode of the Lesbian Supper Club, Freya talks about how strange 'Coming Out' actually is, how do we change the narrative with this? When do we stop calling people who are accepting "progressive" and start calling it "normal"?!


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Transcript

Hello lesbians, it's Freya today on the mic. I have no idea what has happened to the weather in the UK but it sent me absolutely insane. I was already halfway there. But I will have to say, if I'm speaking to those of you that suffer with seasonal, what is it? It's like seasonal ass up your fucking hair depression. I don't know what it is. It's sad right? So it's called like sad. And if you struggle with this, I am just telling you, you are not alone.

But I have some tips. This morning a friend of mine reached out and she was like let's go for a walk and I just woken up and the clocks have changed. I was like Oh my God I'm just like I'm falling apart. But the sun was shining and she was like let's go for a walk. Like straight away walked for like 4 hours just chatting absolute shit. That is one thing I would say helps like actually if you're out in it, it is so much better.

Like the other day it was raining and instead of being inside of my house I was like no I need to actually be out in it. So I'm sad outside of this like Cafe with like the canopy over me and the rain is like getting on my laptop. At this point I didn't even give a fuck. I was just like, I'm just going to actually have to be out in it because it's so much better than if you are just like sad at home

and ruminating. And I don't know what it is that makes like there are certain people this just doesn't affect. And so many people are like, I love autumn, I love winter. It's like, I can understand why you would like certain things. Like I like the clothes, that's about it. Like I like autumn clothes. I like winter clothes but like winter and autumn, hell on earth Get Me Out of here. Why the fuck do I live here? Honestly, because the UK is just not it when it comes to this weather.

It just it's just I find it so depressing, but I want to know what it is. It's like some people have it, some people don't. Like why is it that I struggle so badly with bad weather? Like I was talking about this the other day as well. Sometimes I get this like real bad, like gloom and doom feeling where it feels like an atmosphere, you know, the vibes just feel off. And sometimes I just like have days where like the whole vibe

of the day will just feel weird. And I say things look different. And by the way, I'm not schizophrenic. Like, things don't like, actually look different, but they feel like they look different in a way. And I think a big part of that is if the weather is bad, I will like, have this doom and gloom feeling. And I'm like, everything sucks. But yeah, I'm trying to figure out. I mean, I take my vitamin D supplements. I mean, there's got to be something. There's got to be something.

Apparently someone is developing like a VR headset or something. I mean, too fair. You could just put on a VR headset. I can just pretend that I'm in Hawaii or something. I don't know. But it's like, I think it's just that lack of sunlight behind the eyes is quite damaging to my soul, to my core. And this has been a fucking hard year, guys. This has been a really hard year and no surprise to anyone.

And don't get me wrong, there have been elements of some really, really good things and some amazing people that have also come into my life and have made me so grateful for making those connections. But some most of this year are shit Creek, fucking shit Creek. But like I said on my negative lesbian chat, like I need to stop, like dwelling into that. Sometimes it's really difficult because even though you try and keep a positive mindset and then another bad thing happens and

you're like, are we joking? Like, are we actually joking? Like, why is this happening? And I like I it just it just sends me completely over the edge. But I'm trying to still be like, you know, keep up that manifesting baby and everything is good, everything is fine and I will be fine. I think I have just one of those brains that like sinks into it way too easy. And I need to learn how to just like, completely restructure the old mind and find a way to just process things better.

You know, I've got like a few good friends where things can happen to them and it just kind of glides over them. They're like, I know I'll sort it out. And I am like that to like a certain degree on certain things. I'm like, I know it's all going to be OK. I know there's nothing I can't figure out. There's nothing I can't sort out. But sometimes you're like, wow, I am gonna literally gonna run around naked any minute now, be institutionalized, shave all my hair off.

It's gonna pending pending. I don't know if that's, I don't want to blame everything on ADHD. I think it's really easy, though, to ruminate when you've got ADHD because once you get like this one thing in your mind, you're like, oh, I'm just gonna think about that thing now forever. I'm just gonna let it run laps around my brain and like take take control of me. So yes, need to sort that out. And I'm just, I've become such an emotional girl, like so sensitive and emotional.

And I don't know if it's like as you get older, sometimes you, I think you can go either way. And I think as I've gotten older, I've just become a lot more in tune to my emotions and just trying to figure out what they are because I think as well, like so many times we feel emotions, but we're like, why is it that I actually feel that way? Is that really anger or is that like rejection? Is that sadness? And, you know, am I angry at others? Am I angry at myself?

And like trying to figure all of that out. I know, sorry, fucking depressing. Freya, shut up. I get it. You're already sat there in the shit weather and then you've got to hear me complain. But I just want to let you know you're not alone. I also, I also struggle with that as well, but talk about the shit. There's also good shit too. So we've just sold out New York, which is insane. I am blown away.

And, and I know that for me and Scarlett, we see our numbers over in the States and everything else. We know that we have like a presence there, but then to actually see it so like tangibly, we're like, what the fuck is going on? So I was then I looked over at Scott. I was like, well, we gotta do LA. We gotta do LA whilst we're in New York. Like it's, I know it's like quite far from New York, but it's closer than if we were to go from here. And I'm thinking, hmm, how about

we make that happen? I'm sorry, fucking notification going off. How about we actually make that happen, See what we can do. I think for us, it's kind of like a dream come true because we're not all about the events like Lesbian Supper club. We're all about the podcast.

And I know that we've been promising a lot recently, but I need you to know that we are in some really, really cool conversations right now, especially over like visual and audio and everything is just going to be a lot more amplified. But that is our love. But the events as well, like and being able to host that and like create communities or like not even create communities, but give you guys a space where you can meet other people within the

community and have that fun. We're like, absolutely, yes, I love, love doing it and love meeting everyone. And by the way, when you guys come up to me and say, I'm so sorry to like interrupt you, I just want to tell you like, please don't be fucking sorry ever. Like it is honestly so nice to hear and you would be surprised. It's like, it's so easy to just be like, well, I don't know what I'm doing, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And fun fact is, and no one knows what they're doing, by the way, but I think that to hear that is so nice. And to actually meet you and to talk to me, like I really, I really, really appreciate it. Like it does not go unnoticed. I had a great night the other night. Why night? I don't know what had gotten into me. I was running around, I was hugging everyone. I was saying how beautiful. I don't know what happened, but yeah, I had a great time. So that's like part of the good shit.

We're also having some really cool conversations just around like the community piece as well, which we can't wait to share everything that we have going on. I think just the lesbians need to just take control now. Trump is just only getting worse. We're like, that was the thing as well. Like some people like why America with Trump? I'm like, this is exactly the time to hit America with Trump there. This is the time when we do need

to be louder. We need to be prouder with who we are and like really, really stick together because they will just try and divide us. It's so much easier to control us if they divide us. And if there's one thing that I can say about this community is we're fucking funny. And I think that so much like humor holds so much power. And if we're able to be like, fuck you, you fucking BLOB, don't even not even a BLOB. Just like you fucking ugly orange face prick. You are just a cunt.

There was just no other words for it. And it's just compulsive lion, narcissist, psychopath, whatever the fuck. And and it's it's just like breeding this like crazy ground of men who all think that they're victims, which is the funniest fucking thing ever. So yeah, a Long story short, the lesbians need to come in full force because the lesbians are going to be the ones to do it. Let's be real. Like we have to. And we need to use that power and like stick together.

And I also just think it's like, it's about fucking time someone cause an absolute scene, Don't we think? Don't we think it's like it is time? I think we all just need to just revolution this. And by the way, before I get called out, they're calling everyone terrorists for what? For like for being left wing. Apparently now you're like basically a terrorist, which is just absolute insanity, especially seeing the actual acts of terrorism that they do create in other countries.

And not to mention what's going on with ICE as well, which is the most heinous thing I've seen, I wouldn't even say ever seen because I've seen some horrendous things these past few years come out of America. But that is it's authoritarian. It's like he has created this weird dictator shit. The guy needs to be out of there. The fact that he's committed so many crimes and he's just still in there. I have no idea. Prince Andrew, what has he done? He's he's just removed his

title. So that's really interesting because then I'm thinking something else is coming out. Then surely like they don't want to be connected to it. I don't know what it is. But honestly, I think The thing is, and we've said it before, but sometimes it just has to get so bad that it gets better. But I never thought that I would ever witness something like this. And you just realize now that like history that's repeating itself because before you're like, well, how how would Hitler

have ever gotten in charge? You know, you'd always think that I remember being in history lessons be like, how did he actually manage this though? And we're quite literally seeing like this behavior just happen in real time. Just so easy for them to indoctrinate and to really

poison the minds of people. The problem about the algorithm as well, without being online, it's great that we have access to so much information, but the way that the algorithm is now designed, especially off of the back of things like TikTok, Instagram now as well. You will only be fed things that you're already interested in or you've already taken a liking to like one right wing post. And then from then on all you're

gonna see is that right? And so it's really, really it's stopping people from having an actual clearview of what's going on in the world. And that is how it all starts. It's just fucked up. Talk about fucked up. I wanted to talk today about coming out and I'm not on about coming out stories. You guys have already heard what I went through with my coming out and then also heard the episode with my mom as well where I'm like talking to her about the horrendous coming out experience.

But I really wanted to talk about the nature of coming out because I think now by this point, what are we gonna do to change the process of this? I think about the concept of coming out. And when I really think about it, I'm like, that is actually just not OK. And obviously I think that it's great to, I'm not saying don't come out as in like don't say that you're gay to people are

like whatever. Like, I'm not saying that, but I mean the sitting down, the telling people, the fear, the, the whole act of it in itself is just actually, if you were to look at it for most people, even if you've had a good experience with coming out, doing the ACT itself is quite shameful. There's like a lot of shame around it and it's scary. And I was trying to figure out what it is exactly.

It's so bad about it. And it basically it kind of feeds into the narrative that we are responsible for others to accept us or not. We are putting our feelings, our identity, who we are in the hands of others and usually

people that we love, right? So people that we really value the opinions of and we are expressing it, we're explaining it, we're apologizing for it. And that is traumatic to just have to explain and to try and bother with people and really like put yourself out there in that way impacts this like great fear within someone. I mean, I remember like looking up about the other day and it was interesting because it said

that it implies deceit. So it's like the language of like being in the closet can make people feel deceitful, right? Because they are hiding this identity. Like you're, you're faking something, you're hiding something, you're lying, you're lying about many things. And these lies can spiral as

well, right? All of a sudden, this simple lie of your identity then becomes this other lie of maybe like relationships and everything else that you are keeping completely hidden from other people or like crushes or feelings and like the kind of conversations that straight people would just so organically have. You can't. Or maybe you say you've got a boyfriend when you're a lesbian and you're trying to figure it

out or you're lying to yourself. So you genuinely do have a boyfriend, but you are you keep lying to your body. Do you know what that does to your body over time? Your body and your mind is so crazy connected. It is your second brain in your body, in your stomach is where your second brain is. And the physical aspects of that can actually cause like quite like detrimental effects.

Usually people will suffer from like back pain or like stomach issues or like whatever it might be because as well like it kind of goes into like somatic pain, which like I definitely get. So it's when your emotions are so heavy in your brain, your brain will create physical pain within your body for you to focus on because it's a tangible thing that you can be like, OK,

there is this. Maybe it could even be as simple as like having a pain that's like down your thigh or like a headache or yeah, your back feels all like tight now in your neck. And whatever it might be, that can be both things because you're like tense anyway because you're stressed out. But it's like it all comes

through physically. But your body does start to like not trust you because once you keep going against what is right for you, your body will tell you and it will come out in anxiety as well and just generalize depression because you are just not living authentically. You can't hack it. And you, you might be in the closet now and it is really heavy. And you might have this thing in your head where you're like, I'm never going to come out.

I'm not going to do this. And trust me, some of you, I know are in dangerous situations as well where you genuinely can't come out. And that to me is just horrifying. And I'm so, so sorry because I feel even though I didn't have a good experience coming out, I was still privileged with that. I still had the ability to come out, you know, And having that stripped away from you is such like a harrowing feeling as well.

Another thing, you're like, you're putting the power in other people's hands to reject you, right? The term of like coming out, you are just you're giving it like here it is. You're already apologetic. Here's everything about this. I'm gay, I am attracted to the same sex or I'm bisexual, I'm pansexual, I'm trans, whatever it might be. And you are now just giving

someone the fucking floor. You're giving the jury like you, they are now in this position where they can say, well that's fucked up, I hate that, or fuck you or I'm never speaking to you again or any of these things. You are just handing that power to someone and that power should come with us. That should be with the person who is coming out, right? That should be our power. That power should not be taken away because at the end of the day, we do not live for anybody

else. It's entirely our lives and it is not hurting a single soul on earth to be gay, to be trans, to be bisexual, to be pansexual, to be asexual. I'm trying to think of all the sexuals like we are not like we are not hurting anyone throughout that so how dare as well the people that are on the receiving end react so fucking negatively to it when it really has nothing to do with them.

It's like you could make it as simple as being like my favorite colour is pink and you want to tell someone and and that only effects you. You buy pink everything for yourself because you fucking love it right? This person hates the colour pink. You go, I love the colour pink. They look at you and go, you're sick and the fucking heck out of my house.

Like something that has 00 impact and effect on their life, you know, and but I think this is where I kind of like want to get down to. I'm like, OK, how is it that as a society, people can make this not a big fucking deal and also not make it a quote UN quote coming out? There's almost like with children when they're growing up. You should never assume, for instance, that your kid is going to be straight and you should never assume that it's going to be gay for the exact same

reason. And don't you dare for a fucking second any of you go where you can't textualize your child. I'm not sexualizing a child by saying that it could potentially be gay. It is the same as it could potentially be straight. You're not going to make someone gay by just not having like that thought in your head that they are straight and putting that on that like it's, it's such a natural thing. Like they'll have a little boy and then they're like, Oh, you've got a girlfriend like

when they're like 5 years old. So before you fuckers, these people that say that gay people are like sexualizing them because they said they could be gay, but you're the one that's like buying fucking baby grows for your newborn. That's like little what is it? It's like, Oh, what's the word? Not like, I think it's like little heartbreaker and little things like this. And it's like, well, that's kind of fucked up. Why is that on a baby grow?

It just, oh, it is fees, this thing, like imagine a world where you're growing up and they could be like, oh, yes. Then like you're either interested in men or interested in women. They're like, OK, done. Like really not that big of a deal, you know, or you're interested in both or you don't want anyone, whatever the fuck. And again, like the way that we can change. This is like change is always just formed out of habits and like tiny little habits that all build up over time, right?

And we were having a conversation the other day and a woman was saying something about like her child and blah, blah, blah. And then somebody said, Oh yeah, she's quite progressive because she would be fine if her child was gay. She wouldn't see an issue with it. And she was called progressive for this. And people say it. And by the way, like gay people will say like, well, I I would probably say something like that be like, yeah, she's quite progressive. Like that's really good.

Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh. When do we actually say that's not progressive? That's just normal. And this is where like micro language builds into the bigger picture. It's like if we think that that is progressive, then we are almost allowing people to stay in the normal, quite and quite normal category for being homophobic, for being not OK if their kid came out as gay or trans or whatever it is. We are putting them as normal. And the people who actually are saying, yeah, I don't give a

fuck are progressive. No, it needs to be. It is normal to be like, you wouldn't give a fuck because why would you? And we need to say it is just unacceptable that you would be another way, because the reason why these people are this way is because of language like that over time, people aren't born with hatred. People are not born looking at same sex couples like as a kid, like they wouldn't even blink an eye. But these things are like built into people.

These prejudice are built into people. This is not me by the way, saying that they are horrible fucking people. Unless you go ahead and you are like a homophobic cunt, then yeah, you are a horrible person because you've just got no reason to do that. But having that fear that their kid is gay, I don't think makes them horrible. I think that it makes them a subject of everything that they've been exposed to their entire life because the language has always been around this is

wrong. Or, you know, and they're like, maybe I'm not woke. Maybe I'm not OK if my kids go. And again, like calling it woke. And it's like, would you rather be awake or would you rather be a fucking sleep bitch? Like you need to think about what even the term woke means. It's like being awake to these issues and being.

Pathetic and having that, you know, and I will never hear it a day of my fucking life when somebody says, oh, but then I I worry that I love my kids so much and I don't care that they're going to be gay, but I just worry that they're going to have such a harder life and it's going to be so terrible for them. These are the people that end up making their kids lives hell for coming out like that is it's fucking ironic. Like it's ironic. You are literally just you are the problem.

You are giving them that fear. You're putting that onto them. That's not to say that it isn't harder to walk through life gay. Of course it is. Of course it is. But if you really feel like that as a parent, then you don't make it fucking even harder for them. You support them even more because you're aware that this is difficult. Like it's difficult to navigate and it's not difficult to navigate because being gay is wrong. It's difficult to navigate because the representation

hasn't been there. You don't have anything to cross reference it with. It's not talked about as being inherently normal, right? But you're going to have this like fear already built into you. And then you've got your parents being like, but I just care about you and like, Are you sure? Are you sure you're gay? And no, I don't want this for you. No, this is so wrong. Why would I want you to have a harder life? Like this is not OK blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And they're trying to pretend that it comes from care. But like, I think it really deep down comes from a feeling of like disgust in a way. Like they they kind of feel disgusted by it because that is what they've been taught. I know when I was a kid, I said it was disgusting. I was like probably 10 years old and again, knowing that I'm fucking gay, right? So that was a whole different Cutler fish because like internalized homophobia is just like a completely different ball game.

But like, I thought that was what I would express. Like I said, oh, I like gay men, but I can't. I don't like lesbians. I don't like them. Like, no, that's not for me. I don't like it. It's something about it just like didn't sit right with me. And I think it's for a number of reasons. Had I seen more lesbians? I even remember the feeling itself of like saying that and thinking in my head at that time what a lesbian was. And it was very, very little information that I had to go off of.

I was being an absolute cunt, but had very little information to go off of. It felt very like exclude, like those lesbians that they're like exclude different society kind of vibe and which is obviously completely false.

But had there been more representation of just like normalizing it, like movies and TV shows and celebrities that have partners, you know, that are the same sex or trans or whatever it might be, then I would have never, I don't think that thought would have ever have come into my head and been like, well, that's that. I remember being fine with my sister. Like when I found out about my sister, I was 12 at that point, I was fine with her being gay.

I mean, I quite literally was like, is so and so your girlfriend? She was like, yes, I was like, OK, cool. And then I was sat there with a fucking mullet and jorts on and a Nirvana T-shirt and converse. So I mean, the writing was on the fucking wall that I had that feeling. And I think that like even if I like as a kid could have had that feeling, imagine how that can manifest if you then never get anymore exposure to it or you don't actually research anything because you're a

fucking bigot. I think people as well, like people need to be taught to research things. People so quickly will take anything as gospel if it's told to them Is exactly how they've gotten into this situation with Trump because no research has happened is exactly why everything happened in Gaza. No research. That's why so many people are able to get indoctrinated. No research, and the same goes for every issue, like every minority, like clue your fucking self up.

Like actually, if you read something and even if you like what you read, even if you like the headline or whatever it is, still research it because that could also be false. Or, you know, there's there's always like a nuance like I saw this this post the other day, these like beautiful lesbian couple, and I think I've been post of lesbian stuff. I was like love to see it. They're like when you realize that you can actually marry a woman or not a man.

And there were these men in the comments of me like lesbians have the highest divorce rate. Give me a break, Darren. Give me a fucking break. Why are you not using your cognitive thinking skills like any ability to think about this properly? Think about it. Why do you think if that is the case, why do you think that there is a higher rate? Because first of all, there are less lesbian married couples. So yes, there is going to be a higher divorce rate per the amount of people that are

married. OK, first of all, because it could be so it is marginal, marginal to the amount of divorces that happen with straight people. But because so many fucking straight people are married, that divorce rate is obviously not going to be as high. You absolute fucking dickhead. Secondly, women in women loving relationships are more likely to be able to leave because they are not coerced by their partner. They are not financially held up by the man.

Usually they're like locked in with kids. They are financially dependent on the man. So that's another reason why they won't leave. Thirdly, they could be in a very bad domestic abuse situation. They cannot leave. Four, they might not end in divorce, but their husband probably fucking killed them. That's another thing, right? So we're not looking at like the greater thing here. And this is what I mean when it

comes to fucking research. But again, it's like more ways for them to be like, look at how fucked up they're, they are. They are just fucking everything over there. And it's like the more freedom we have, the more they will use our freedom against us. And so that's why we all need to be as like clued up as possible because it's like, no, you need to shoot that shit down instantly. It is complete bullshit. Like it is complete bullshit.

And there is nothing wrong with having more representation. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. And that is exactly why we are just trying to do everything that we can and like, have these conversations, like send this to a fucking straight. Like straight people can listen to this podcast as well. You know, when they're like, oh, I don't think that's my demographic because it's called

Lesbian Supper club. How many straight things do you think I've had to listen to my entire life? And I still listen to and I enjoy I enjoy it like might be hosted by like a straight couple or like every film we've ever fucking watched or like TV shows, whatever that is. Just because I'm not straight doesn't mean that I can't relate, doesn't mean that I can't enjoy it. And the same goes for this podcast. But I think that people see lesbian and they think they

think it's like naughty. They think it's like, Oh, I don't know if I want that on my Spotify. I don't know if I want somebody seeing that, like I follow lesbian supper club that they're really going to think that I'm like gay or like that's wrong or like, or that it's something raunchy. It's not fucking Pornhub, is it? She just us chatting shit. But like that's another thing is all like we'd never want to like. I think lesbians have always been so over sexualized.

We don't over sexualize anything that we do like, yeah, we like to talk about sex, just like how Alex Cooper would on caller Daddy, talk about sex, talk about squatting. I don't give a fuck, right. But like with our events, no, we're not going to have strippers there. I love strippers and I think that's fun and that's great. But it's like we're stepping away from that because women are

always like over sexualized. And I think that like, it's great to like, own your sexuality and be sexually free, go to sex parties, freak the fuck out. Like not freak off, by the way, but like the fuck out. Do whatever you want as long as you're not harming anyone. It's all consensual adults. Great, great, great. OK. But it doesn't always have to be that way. And it's not a fucking given that that is what you're going to get, you know?

And that is another micro thing. It's another micro thing that people then think. They think, oh, it's going to be this. It's going to be very sexual. It's going to be duh, duh. They say the same about gay men. And it's like, I'm not being funny. It's not because they're gay, it's because they're men. Typically, yes, they probably will be more promiscuous because it's two men, right? You speak to any straight man and say if women liked to fuck around and by the way, women can

fucking fuck around too. Don't get me wrong, but like the odds are less in terms of like the promiscuity, like especially with men of like that lack of attachment, everything else. If women were doing that left, right and centre as well and it wasn't I frowned upon, you fuckers would be doing it as well. Like don't even start. It is just because it's like, it's because it's two men and like we should also just never have to really apologize for

that. And I, I think that it's just all of those things though, that like we hear or that it's dirty, that it's wrong, that it's shady. That is why people then don't want their kid to be gay because in their head they're like, well, they're going to be a little sexual demon, you know, and they're going to be dirty, they're going to be a disgrace because that's a lot of what has been fed. And I do know that like in some ways that there are, there is more representation.

And I mean, we're fucking trying, guys. Fucking trouble. That's why I want this to only get like bigger and better because I'm not in an indoctrinating way, because they love to say that we're like shoving it down their throats. But no, it's just having conversation just so happens to be about lesbian culture or about lesbian relationships, about lesbian friendships, about coming out, about whatever the fuck it might be.

That is representation. And the more people can have those conversations, the more it can change their mind. I will challenge anyone, anyone on these conversations. And I have done it before before and I've done it before when I was at a pub would live. Oh no, I, no, it was Anna, our friend Anna. And it was a few months back now. And Anna, my friend is also gay. And this guy sat down and he wanted to like talk about gay rights and all this kind of stuff.

And I then sat there and I sat very calmly because I, by the way, don't get me wrong, I want to punch most people, but like whoever have views like this, I sat there very calmly and I spoke about it in just a very, very simple way because believe you me, you've got to make a fucking simple for these fuckers because they clearly just like they ain't got it going on in their head to work out for themselves. You've got to coach them like they're a child.

And it took a little while. Like I invested about 45 minutes of my time. I wouldn't always do this, but I was like, I'm going to fucking do this today and I'm just not going to give up. And Anna's getting angry and angry. She's like sat there and I can see that in her. By the end of it, you tell her, I was like, do you know what? You're right. And I know that's just one person. And I know that he genuinely, and I will give this to him. He actually did listen. He did take it in.

Some people fucking don't and they're just Dick heads. They can go get fucked, but he did take it in and and I was like, I'm actually so impressed that you did that. You fucking schooled him. And not only that, but you actually changed his opinion. And The thing is, is that that has like a knock on effect because he's got kids, right?

I'm hoping, I'm hoping in my little like dreamland in my brain that he's going to carry some of that through how he changed his mind and give people the allowance to change their mind. Because sometimes as well, coming at it with so much aggression as anger as I get about it is only going to fuel them. It's only going to give them what they want. It's only going to then make them more vindicated in what they feel, you know, because they don't care about hurting

you. They don't care that that aggression actually comes from being so deeply hurt for being who you are. No, no, no, they don't see it like that. They don't have the EQ for that. They just think, well, look at them getting all fucking angry. They're so aggressive, they're violent, they're this, they're that. And it just further fuels like the really negative connotations with with US gaze. And I just think that the more we can just like chat and chat,

chat and chat and chat way. And if you can own that sexuality and just like have so much pride about it, especially with everything that's going on. It's like if you seem someone fazed about being gay, I mean, I, I know that I genuinely am. I'm fazed about being gay. I absolutely love it.

I love it. But like, if you can even just try and think, no, this, this is a positive thing that I am just being authentically me, then it's only ever they're going to get better for you and you're going to be more and more and more untouchable. And you're going to when people smell a shame on you, they want to treat you like it is shameful because a lot of people are just bitter and stupid.

So that's that. But yeah, I, I don't know, because I'm, I'm interested to know what you guys think about the whole coming out situation. Like, do you think that it's good? Am I, am I the one that's in the wrong here? Like do you think that maybe it is good that we're like owning who we are and that we're like, we're saying that I'm not saying that we shouldn't own it, but do you think that it's a good it says? Are there other reasons as to why you think it's bad that I

haven't touched on? I would honestly love to know because I love it when you guys actually like comment and say, oh, but also this because I don't fucking know it all. I don't know. I know that means college chat here as like the lesbian supper club, but I don't know all and I never will, you know, and I think that I'm always down for learning and also changing my mind on like certain things.

Obviously not my core values. Cannot knock those out of me even if you fucking punch around the head or like kick me to the temple. This little swift hit in the no, there's no way it's not coming out of me. But there are opinions that I could have that definitely somebody might be able to actually like change and I'm I'm all ears for that and any way that you think that maybe we could just like start maybe I just start a no coming out campaign. I just like parade it globally,

just I don't want to go out. No coming out, no coming out, stay in, stay out, be out, be no, actually just be. What the fuck am I saying? Be out, don't stay in. It's like be out, stay out and give everyone never, never give somebody the opportunity to ever feel shame. And just because you give children that you are raising the the knowledge that they could be with either sex doesn't mean that they are going to be attracted to the same sex.

You need to understand that if that was the case I would be straight. The logic isn't logic. Like we are born either attracted to one sex, the other sex both sexes. That's what it is and it doesn't need to be more complicated than that. We are not going to make people gay, and even if we fucking did, calm the fuck down. Even if you are making them gay, fuck, make them all gay as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, it's just not going to happen.

There's no harm in it. The only thing that you're ever going to do is remove that inner shame and like self judgement from a kid. And wouldn't you love the ability to be able to do that to your own child? And you'd love the ability to literally be able to know that they were never going to have to really suffer, at least from your end, at least from their parents. You know, because that's, those are the formative years.

Those are the years where our our nervous systems are being developed and we hold that shit with us like the rest of our lives lives. And no matter how much therapy we go through, you hold it. That pain that you felt, and I don't want anyone to feel that ever for just simply being who they are. You haven't done anything wrong. There is nothing wrong about it. So that's my two cents.

Talk about that. Actually, I've also started to chat now that I'm single, I've started to change my mind on having kids. I'm like, I think I could have a child. That's for another episode.

I've been feeling it recently. I've been like, actually my mind is starting to change on having kids and I'm thinking I don't know if it's maybe where I'm getting old or whatever it is, but I'm like, would actually think that that would be really fulfilling and not to like, I want to be extremely fulfilled in my life elsewhere because I also think that that's quite dangerous when you like have a child to be fulfilled. But yeah, I don't know. I think would it actually be

really nice to have that? So, well, next episode I could be pregnant. You never know. I hopefully fucking not. I'll probably go over it, but see opinions. They can change. I was like I was, I didn't want children. I did not want children. And now that it's changing. So there you go. We can all change any minute now. Lesbians, I love you so much. We've oh, before I go, we've got karaoke night next week, which I'm fucking stoked for on actual Halloween night and just come as

your big bad lesbian self. I've I'm toying between a few ideas. I don't know whether to go as Gwen Stefani. I don't know whether to go as Coyote Ugly. I ain't got a fucking clue. I need to figure something out. I always do something really last minute, but it's going to be fun. And last Halloween night was hysterical. Hysterical. So like, I cannot wait to see

what you guys bring this time. I will pop the link in the bio and really can't wait to see more of you and especially when you're all dressed up. Did I even mention karaoke night as well? Though? We did have a karaoke night. I don't know if Scarlett mentioned it on the last one, but the karaoke night was absolutely. That was so funny. That was so funny. That was my own personal stage. I don't know who the fuck I thought I would.

It was my knees and my legs. My thighs were killing me the next day because I was slut dropping to Britney Spears. I put on a full show. I was like, I'm always like, I'm so stressed. Amazing event. Like literally spend 6 hours just screaming down the mic. But honestly I feel like this is therapy. Like I actually think that everyone afterwards was like, yeah that was therapy. We all needed that. We all needed to get into a room and do that.

And I think that we all just need to bring the fun back into life. Hot on those outfits, go to karaoke. We need to do more things that are just fun and and life is worth having fun for. We need to do the things that are weird that maybe even in the moment when you're doing this year, but like, well, that's a bit shit. I'm not on about karaoke, but like anything, it's like, Oh, that's a bit shit.

It's a funny fucking story. Or even if something is cringe, you're like, you know that tomorrow you can tell that story to people and you're like, Jesus fucking Christ. But I I'm trying to get more and more, more and more events in my life like that. And if you look at your life as if you were like you were a book, your life is a book that

someone was going to read. Do you want to be out and about causing a fucking ruckus doing whatever it is, being stupid with your friends, doing things that are fun, that are colorful? Or do you want the book to just read? And she stayed in and watched Netflix again with her 10 cats, and she drunk a bottle of wine to herself and fell asleep. And a book like, do you want to live a life that someone would want to read? Absolutely.

And sometimes when you think of that thing we like, do I really want to just go? Just just do it. Just go and do it. This is your sign. If somebody's asking you to do something right now, just go and fucking do it. And you can always leave. You don't have to stay out long. But it's like if you go and you do the thing, you say yes, have more fun. Life has gotten so stressful for everyone and fun is just out. Like people aren't doing that crazy shit anymore.

And it's because as well, everything is documented, which can in turn make some people create more fun things. So say like people on TikTok are doing like 30 days of dressing up for Halloween and they're doing like these hilarious outfits like every single time. Shit like that can be fun.

But I do genuinely think, like overall, we've literally created our own fucking George Orwell. We all thought it was going to be these massive surveillance cameras, but it's actually just everyone with their phones recording each other. We have done it ourselves. We are surveillancing everyone. Everything is recorded. You can't do anything now without having that. So I think that it genuinely has taken away like that, like silly nature of life. And to actually just be silly is good.

It's not stupid stupid. It has a negative conversation with that stupid, but sometimes it can be fucking stupid and who gives a fuck? Like you're having fun, you're having a laugh, even if it's on your own or you're having it with your friends, your family, like whatever it is, you're having a laugh. Like you are being silly. People are people are taking themselves way too fucking

seriously now. And I think that the more that like this is encouraging, the more people are doing it, the more it's going to become normalized. People are going to do that again. Like even humor, like back in the day on TV, it used to be like silly humor. Like it was like lipstick. It was silly, but it was because it was just so light hearted.

There's like none of that anymore because people are like, oh, it's got to, it's got to be nuanced and it's got to be dark and dry and, and it's like, no, it doesn't actually. Like you can just be fucking stupid and you can have a laugh. But anyway, on that note, have some fun. Do the thing that you want to fucking do. Don't feel bad about doing something that was fun that like whatever it was, just think life is not that. Do be that character and enjoy it.

And if you are thinking about coming out or whatever your situation might be or you're kind of struggling through it right now, we are also all ears and anything that you guys have to share, like first of all, I'm really sorry that you're going through it, but also we're here to support you and we will talk about this shit and it gives us gives us more. Ammo, more ammunition, more wild domination, you know how it is.

Anyway, lesbians, I love you and I can't wait for you guys to hear and see what we have in stock with you very very soon. So we will speak to you next week. Bye bye.

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