I'm so bored of people thinking I don't know how to. Obviously I do. I've shagged women. You've almost shagged. I've almost. Shagged you? Hello everyone, Hello lesbians, Welcome to the Lesbian Supper Club podcast. I'm grinning from ear to ear right now because I'm just looking at this pink person that is just sat there in leather. It's kind of like half dominate. Yes, half what is, which we will
all be able to see. Actually as well, because this is the first fully filmed recorded episode of the Lesbian Supper Card podcast that's going to be available everywhere, every to watch us as well as listening to us. Which everyone wants to watch this little pink. Yeah, so. You better be listening and then going home and watching as well. Yes, I don't want the listener views to drop. So you're going to say going home and doing something else there? You can do something else if you want.
That's what I don't know. Doesn't hurt me, but I want you to listen and then go home and watch because if if the listens drop, we'll stop doing it. Yeah, stop it threat from me. She has to listen to everything twice. Yeah, yeah. Which I don't. There's nothing wrong with that. We listen to songs on repeat. Taking new information each time. I've listened to your songs a million times.
Anyway, need I even introduce the first ever guest that we had on the Lesbian Suffolk Club podcast, the amazing Beth McCarthy? She's bad. Nearly a year to the date. Just crazy weird. Yeah, because I feel like so much has happened. It's been insane. And you know when it's such a cliche to be like that feels like it was yesterday, but it was also a year ago. No, that feels to me because so much has happened like it was three years ago. It's so it feels like AI feel like it feels like.
Ages ago. But then when I think about the actual recording itself and sitting in that studio with you, that doesn't feel too long. Ago. Oh, see, for me it does. I think I was a bit drunk. I think we're all a bit. Do you? Remember how much tequila we met? We had quite a bit of tequila and I'm thinking back and I was. Actually, I was a bit wobbly in that episode. No, but I was so nervous. I had never done a podcast before. Just like there was the first
time we'd ever picked up a mic. And obviously thank God for you being there because I felt like it gave us something like kind of structure wise to like ask you. Questions. I also think though, because it wasn't round by us at the time and the people at the time were really great but had a different, a slightly different outlook or vibe as to what they. Remember we had the script on it. And I was almost too scripted
for us and I think it's just. Now we're completely unscripted, which is great because I feel like that's what's going to get us into trouble one day. And I know you are shitting yourself just a little bit today because you usually. Have to do this, as we've said before, the exposure has been so constant now I don't think we can say or do that to be. Fair. I mean, this time last year it was an entirely. Different. Might I just say the glow up that you've had since this time
last year is insane. Not only looks wise because that's all I'm focusing on. You're an ugly little fucking rat. But no ugly but the whole progression of your career you have blown up massively. You were already doing well. I remember at that time being she's already doing really well. Like this is great, but now in comparison to then is insane. So yeah, I'm going to let you kind of like introduce yourself. So like, So what has happened honestly? How did that happen?
It's, it's funny because it's, you don't like put a timeline on it until there, there is one like in front of you. And this is actually a really good way to do that because obviously when I came and did the podcast, it, it was just an entirely different like beast, I guess to to what it is now. And I guess, you know, the release of this EP socials were, you know, really took it for me because I started the the what do you call it series with you guys as well.
It's shit. Yeah, we've done the. Worst one of the second. Yeah, first I posted. It was the outside of cock, and bottle wasn't. It summertime, let's start the summer. Yeah. And that kind of really start because that was never really meant to be an ongoing series. It was just, you know, an idea to to try and shoehorn some promotion of my song. Yeah. And then that just blew up. Like, that's done. That's probably a couple million views now. That How many times do you get people going?
Why do you call the tattoo a bit a bit annoying now, isn't? It honestly, it's too real. Like let's fucking. Listen than I am. I walk down the street and someone, like someone will just shout it at me. Really. No, but to be fair, you can't really go Incognito and. You also can't blame them because you shout it in, I do, so you're giving people. So as soon as it doesn't. Do essentially though, you know, I ask first, you did I think this people, I think people get
confused. I think they think that, like, my interviews are just run up to people. And because there's been a bunch of stuff where it's like, oh, like she's like grabbing them. I'm like, yeah, because usually the people in the videos are friends or like, yeah, people who have seen me and already feel like they know me. And we've already had an exchange beforehand which established but this. Is the fucking Internet the Internet? Somebody will find a problem
with literally anything. Anything. Right, I'm gonna get onto that. Yeah, I know that you know this very well. So like, for people who haven't listened to our first ever episode and don't know who you are, can you give us a very brief introduction of who you are? So. My name is Beth McCarthy, and I'm asking no, I'm a artist. A pop, pop, rock, we'll call it. We'll say that's the genre artist. And I'm queer. I'm bisexual. Two separate words.
I'm bisexual because you say goodbye to having any kind of sex at all. Never. Had it in the first place. Never had it in the first place. Yeah. And I basically this year released, well, I'm releasing an EP which is all about being queer. It was deliberately for that's called I don't know How to Talk to girls. It's out on the 14th of Feb on Valentine's Day, so. That's coming very. Soon, Yeah. So, yeah. And that's that's kind of me. And I guess this year's growth has been.
Yeah. Been a really significant one like I've had little moments before I had a song called She Gets the Flowers, which, which kind of was the original one that really went off and then released an EP after that. And it's kind of just been gradually growing. And then I, you know, with the help of social media and, and I kind of, I guess I've it accidentally become an influencer in a way that wasn't, it wasn't intentionally. You have tried sadly right? But yeah, you have to be.
It's not a choice anymore. Which is so shit for musicians. Yeah, and I think I'm fortunate because I quite enjoy it. And you're good at it. You've got that natural thing, I think because you've done the presenting before, right? Yeah, So. And I just like people and I think, and I, I am a consumer of social media as well. I think that helped. Like I watched stuff and I'm like, that's what I want to watch.
So I'm going to try and do that and and that's kind of what started it. And I think you just think when you were pushing music, like music is so much bigger than the song. You know, it goes into so many stories and like there can be one song and that covers so many
different stories. And I think being able to connect with people who relate to that on all sorts of different levels, which is why, you know, the interviews work really well, is because you're not just getting this story through lyrics, like you're also starting to understand it through like other people and interactions. And that's been really nice. It's been really nice to see
and. Do and I feel like like back in the day, like artists like Lady Gaga, for example, would kind of portray that via masses of budget of a music video, right? And there'll be scripts of these music music videos, whereas a lot of artists don't have the luxury to do that. But what is free is your mobile phone recording and creating
that narrative for yourself. So you've done that really well, I think as well for your latest CP that you're well, that you're releasing kind of like songs here and there, giving us the bits of it that is a journey in itself. So like you were saying to me before about the journey of figuring out your sexuality and then also like relationships, etcetera. Yeah. And which is put you on this like massive, like lesbian queer map, right? It's like the radar of lesbians.
We've all heard the pronoun she in your songs and then people go fucking running. OK, exactly. But not only that, the songs are actually really fucking good and people can relate to it. So like, give us like the back story from the first song to the last song on the EP. Like how does that work in terms of what you've been through? Basically, can I ask a? Question before that, because I remember after we recorded last year, you actually did go into a
bit of a stagnant phase. Yeah, internally as well. I'm not saying it happened externally, but I remember having conversations with you where you were like, well, I'm like starting to panic. And then suddenly it went from zero to 100 in that panicking phase. Did you write this album or? No, it was already already in the process of being written so. Oh shit, OK, I. Don't know how to start to girls.
It's like the lead track and that's just come out a few weeks ago and that's been written for like 2 1/2 years. That's all. I'm so sick by the. Way. Thank you. It's and The thing is that one was always the one for me. Like I wrote it and I was like this is going to be. Further based. When I heard you played that live for the first time I thought fuck. That's when you know me. You were like, that's the song.
That's the ticket, yeah. And I was like, this is my favourite child immediately and needs to happen. And the originally I'd written it, I played it a gig and it wasn't even produced yet. Like we literally just boshed it out in a really. Close shot gig. Way. No, it was before. There was 1 before. That it was can't remember. I think it was an Anti Valentine show that I did. Was it the one where Kathy performed? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember it. Maybe that just ago that you did it. Yeah.
And we basically it was just, you know, all the other songs have tracks and stuff and that hadn't even been produced yet. So it was just like me kind of trying it on the guitar and just played it out. It went down so well. And I was like, this is the one. So I'm going to get through this EP that I'm doing at the minute and then I'm putting that out And I had all of these ideas and I was like, I'm going to.
So I don't know How to Talk to Girls was actually going to be the original interviews I was going to. Go out and. Be on a mission to find out how to talk to girls. Asking a bunch of people. I'm gonna do that. I've got these different things that I think will work. I was gonna do a podcast. I was gonna do a queer event because I just started going to some queer events. But I was like, the whole song was inspired by going to a queer event and feeling like I was at
school. This go because me and my friend were there I was 2 bisexuals and we were like Oh my God I don't know how to talk to girls like we're just. How do you fucking approach? Them how do I approach them? Like and everyone felt the same in the room. So that's why I wanted to write that song. So I was like, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do this.
And then someone I was working with at the time was like, but this is a lot of stuff for one song and what you're going to do after that, you know, like you've got, you've got a lot. Of a whole EP, yeah. But you've got a whole thing to do after, and if you're putting all of this marketing effort into one song, you're probably going to put yourself in a bit
of a whole. So I was like, very true, need to do an EP. But if it's an EP, it needs to be called I Don't House Talk to Girls because that's the lead single. So it has to be called that. And it can't be called that unless all the songs make sense with that title. So then I was like, right, I guess I'm writing like a concept. Like a journey, yeah. About my journey being queer,
whatever that looks like. And originally I was like starting with I don't know how to talk to girls, being the first one and then going from there because I was like, well, that's why you start. It's not really knowing how to talk to girls. But then I had to go, no, I think it should be in the middle. I want to give it some space before I release that song. So I'm going to write in like the journey before not knowing how to talk to girls and then after, yeah.
So that's where what do you call it came from, which was the kind of discovering your label people and where you fit because you know, I'm a very proudly always have been someone who was attracted to multiple genders. Haven't known exactly what to call that because I think I've spoken about it before.
But the word bisexual is a weird one or has been a weird one to me because it doesn't always make sense with the way I feel like there's I can be talking to someone who is like, I identify as bisexual and I'm like, great, I'm not you and you are not me. Like we are not the same, but you are equally as valid to be a bisexual. Your feelings, yes, it's just I'm not. That we're not the same kind of bisexual. Yeah. And then there is almost something with that.
Spectrums within the spectrum of sexuality, right? There's like spectrums of bisexuality. There's spectrums of like being a lesbian, the spectrums of being just queer. Generally, it doesn't mean anymore is less than another. But yeah, it's like you and you don't. And just because as well, we're all part of the same community. And I think it's so fucking important for everyone in this community to like stand up for each other and support each other.
But like, it's also just fine to fucking disagree with people and not get on with people in this community as well. And this is what? Again, the cancel culture, is that what you're going to say? No, I was going to say what she was saying, what Beth was saying about meeting another bisexual person and being like, actually we don't just have anything in common as not even just our sexuality because your, your definition and your experience of bisexuality is so fucking
different to mine. Well, this is it. And and also a bunch of, you know, conversations around gender have happened since the world, yeah, exactly came into place. So then you're like, well, what does that look like? Because then you go, OK, am I pansexual? Because I'm not saying that I would. Yeah, because I would definitely. Date a non binary yeah assigned female at birth. Exactly for sure. So it's sort of like, OK then and what does that change your
label? And it honestly like it's got to support. I don't care. I like a label, just I personally do not care. And I feel like I've been not pushed into because I'm quite happy to do it. But because of the platform that I have, I have started to use the term bisexual more to represent of. What I think is important, right? Because I think this is where we feel about lesbian as well. Do I care about the word itself?
Not really. Do I care about the association and the history and the like fight that we've all had to go through on multiple different levels? Yes. And that's why I push it. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? It's not even really a personal agenda either from that perspective. Would it be the same reason why you would push, you know, saying that you're bisexual, you know, whether they're changes or not? Because there are a load of people who feel the same way that you do that don't have the
confidence. Yeah. And they need to know what that looks like. Yeah, for a minute there I was like I'd way. I don't, ah, stop trying to label me. I just, I didn't like it because you were. Fully in your lesbian. I was. Well, it's like I thought you were. Gonna stay there. You, you really did. You're really shocked when I did not stay. That I mourned that for a bit, I'm not gonna lie. So. That when I started they man,
I'm like, I don't. Guys I have always been by and like felt like my child telling me they were straight. Like if I don't have a gay kid get fuck out of my household. You're on the street, but. I think, but this was actually a huge part of because because I went through, you know, there was a there was a long period of time where I wasn't attracted to a man for a bit and I. Miss her?
Would I miss that girl? But like I'd, you know, I'd come from from York, which is like a very small northern city that like I moved to London from there was basically no queer women in, in, you know, in York. So I'd moved to London. There are also more queer. Cheryl down the road then that own the local bar. But our Shaz, you know, I'd like we it wasn't as accessible and it wasn't something that I could explore. And also I was living at my parents house. So like there's really so far
you can go in that vicinity. I managed it. You know it's but you're a lesbian and also you don't care. You're in Windsor, you can get a I'm a. Brave. Lesbian. Yeah. But it was like also I was bi and therefore very much validly attracted to men. Also easier option. Obviously you just don't. And that is part of the thing with with being, you know, the compet thing. I moved to London.
That was my kind of moment where I was like, I'm I'm actually able to explore my queerness and that's amazing. So, you know, I did that and I was still, I was very casually doing everything. So I was still seeing men casually doing, but it wasn't, that wasn't the first thing on my mind. Like if I went out, I was like looking at women and that was where I was at. And obviously that then was like, oh, what then?
What is my label now? Because this has been this for ages and I think a lot of people. Do that anyone depending on their label. When you get an answer freedom, you fucking run to the thing you've not had freedom for. Freedom. Yeah, Yeah. So that is probably why you were just like women, women, women, women. Because it's like fucking telling a kid that they can't have chocolate chocolate and then suddenly you put them in Charlie in the Chocolate Factory, they're gonna they
fucking end up hiding within. Bags of packets of Galaxy chocolate. Underwear This isn't your therapy session in. Factually OK cuz I need everything that I can. Get I've done therapy, I've been doing therapy and yeah, yeah, I have been struggling. So going back to your sorry, yeah. So went through the label thing, yeah, just to kind of complete that because I think it's just an important conversation. The label thing at the end of the day, your label should fit
you. You shouldn't be fitting a label. So what? And and they can change and I think there's so much gate keep penis around going. But but they were this before and you were this and now you're this and it's like so like also no, like I could be this other thing and you just got that completely wrong. But also maybe yeah, like
there's a it goes. People go from straight to not straight to could be straight again, you know, no and there's no in changing things because people grow feelings are different every you can't live for anyone else, right? Exactly. Live for yourself.
But the bisexual thing has become more of a just solidified label that I'm using now because I, because of this whole, you know, I've written an EP, which I'll go into more, but it's all about my experiences with women, that it's not about my experience as a bisexual, and it includes men and women. The point was, it's about me figuring out that I like women. Yeah, I liked men as well throughout this whole thing. But all the songs are about my experiences with women.
Yeah, because they would. Do many other EPS and many other albums and many other songs that you're going to write that are going to be about your experiences with men and experiences as bisects. I've written so many songs about men. Like I have had long term relationships with men. They've they've, they've entered
enough of my songs. Like let give me 5 songs about women and let me have them without having to constantly explain that I also like men because nobody, nobody was telling me to also include women while I was singing about men. Like no one was saying, hey, you should also like just let everyone know that at the same time as like you were seeing these men, you were also like having wet dreams about women. No one's telling me to do that but. Also, is that because of the patriarchy though?
Probably it is because. Listen here. By women, always expected to be with a man. Yeah, by men, always expected to be with a man. What's the fucking common denominator? Exactly, exactly. And it's like sometimes it just doesn't include you guys, you know? Much not about. You so a big reason why I feel like the bisexual label is one that I am now.
Owning more is because that I've, I've written an EP about women, people are seeing me being really vocal about women and, and I'm a bisexual doing that. And I think as, as you've said, like if you're a woman, you're expected to be with a man regardless of your, you know, sexuality. If you're attracted to men, then that's who you'll end up with. And actually, like I was equally as bisexual in my quote lesbian era. I was still just the same amount as bisexual as before, just the
same as as ever. And but you don't see that as much people, people. Will only ever take a surface level. Yeah, so they'll, they'll read it as what that is, which is why I feel like it's important for me to continue shouting about being bi because there's a bunch of them out there where it's like, I don't feel gay enough to be bi because I have a boyfriend and I'm like, Nah, you're still bi, girlfriend. If you think you're bi, then you're bi. Like that's OK and you know it.
I have, I've been, I've had multiple boyfriends throughout being a bisexual and I, I was still very bi. So, you know, and, and, and then I got out of those and I had relationships with women and I did also, you know, it, it doesn't have. You ever when you've been with men and or women at different times, obviously, or maybe at the same time, who knows? Have those partners ever had
problems? Because obviously we hear it a lot in the queer community from lesbians predominantly, which I can't wholly disagree with in terms of it's a sad recurrent theme where lesbians always say I struggle to get with by girls because I'm worried they're going to cheat or leave me for a mad. And we've also had nearly every, no, actually every single Horror Story we've been sent about a bye a bye girl has ended that way, right. And I'm not saying that by any. Means I think.
It. Is the compulsory heterosexuality? And I'm not saying by any means that is a blanket and should any be taken as any narrative of statistic. What I'm saying is, and we go back to the girls and say this, it creates a really bad narrative though for bisexual people, for people to have that fear and kind of view that that's going to happen. But at the same time, then when it happens to the person, how can you then say, no, don't worry?
Do you know what I mean? What I was asking there was like have you had or situation ships or partners or etcetera female that have had problems with you liking men and vice versa with being with a man have problems with you liking or being attracted to women or no? Yes, I've definitely run into with the being with women and their being like a insecurity about men. OK, men, it's funny, right?
There's always AI think I don't know where I sit with it right, because and every again, everyone is different. Every bisexual person will probably feel differently where I am quite a different energy probably in my relationships with women versus my relationships with men. I think I'd probably take a slightly different role or have done previously. I'm not going to say like that's what I do every time, but I definitely.
The relationships are different. Being with a man is fundamentally different than being with a woman. So you're not consciously acting differently. It's just like the relationship. I would be different if if I was being, if I was with a man and if I'm with a woman exactly because like, yeah, there are just so many things biology like socially, historically that do feed into our behaviour. Men and women are different. Like they just are. Oh my God, they just are. And like that's also fine.
So it's funny because that is a thing and I've had it being in being with men who are like kind of fine for you to thing with women. Men are OK to sexualize it and therefore they find it hot so they don't have as much of a problem, whereas women don't necessarily find. It hot some, yes. OK, some may feel insecure,
surely? Some so I've run into like it's come from a nice place, but it's probably still problematic where it's like the and I know this for not just from my experience, but from friends who have had like male partners and in that kind of long term relationship, they've discovered that they also are bi curious or whatever And that partner has sort of
gone, OK, I love you. I can acknowledge that this is a part of your sexuality that you haven't you haven't explored and you want to. And so like it does feel different for me because it's something that like I can't give you. It is a different thing. Being with a woman is different. And that doesn't I'm not obviously that can equate to then on the other side, the people who this woman is exploring with quote like then feeling like an experiment, right?
Which then that that's not good. It's hard, yeah. Everyone knows that when they're swiping on Hinge, it's always like couples looking for. But then there is also that then. But then you go, OK, well, where is it an experiment? And where is it just like people being Polly? But then it's gendered polyamory, right? Because it's like, I'm OK with us being Polly as long as you're only like getting with women. But that's not coming from a place because I think it's hot.
I don't want to see it like I don't have to, you know, I'm not asking you to tell me every detail so that I can get off on it later. It's because so you've never been able to do that before. And I want to respect your bisexuality. Like I think it's coming from a nice place, but like, is it still a bit like, well, but people are people, so why do you have a problem when it's this and you don't when it's this? It's hard. I don't know. I don't know what the right move
is anyway. Labels blah blah. I'm bisexual. Yeah. I think the bottom line is though, the good thing is it's like kind of where we started on that conversation, which is even if you don't always fully feel represented by that label, even if you don't always fully feel it defines you or doesn't define you, the point is you using it for a really good thing. Yeah, can only be good also. The songs are just fucking good. I know that you've also got like, a bit of like a sexy song.
I do, so I'm on. I'm gonna. Yeah. So OK, let me just let me just wait. True, because I feel like I got really sidetracked on the label conversation there, but that's because I found it important. So basically the chronological journey is the what do you call it? Is what do I call it? I'm something. I'm definitely not straight, but I don't know which label fits me. Oh no, rah rah.
And then she's pretty was second and the idea with that is kind of just the infatuation part of like seeing a girl and being like, Oh my God, do I want her or do I want to be her? Like she's just and it's kind of open there meant to be a bit of a like is. It about a gay girl because when you're like fine cool, she's pretty cool and I know I'm just a number yeah. Is it her being like a bit of a
shame open gay woman? Yeah, by woman and then you're like still kind of in the closet within yourself being like significantly about. One girl OK, it's it's about yeah, it's my Yahoo DJs yeah Sheba who know this yes. Oh, OK yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why she's in the artwork. So she's she's in the artwork and now tattooed on me, which is actually kind of. So lesbian. Weird right? But but also I'm tattooed on me so is it lesbian or is it just narcissistic?
I don't know but both but I wrote it about it because we're really good friends. Nothing ever actually happened but I like had a big fat crush on her when I first. Came the songwriter about me. I'm so fucking jealous that it wasn't me I thought I'm annoyed about. But she was just really cool and I feel like, you know, she was a DJ at a lesbian bar and did loads of everybody in here, yeah, fancied you and you're a bit unattainable.
And I'm sorry, but you could be ugly and be a DJ and fuck like, I'm sorry. I'm putting it out there so. True. If you ever want to get on the shag, go become a DJ. Become a DJ. Like specifically I feel like though that's only for women because male DJ's is the opposite way. Yes, it isn't it. But yeah, so that was that. It was kind of inspired by that because I was like, like, you're just used to walk in there and, you know, everybody wants you
and I'm one of those people. So yay, she's pretty. And then it was OK, I, I do want to be with her. It's not, I don't want to be her, I want to be with her. But I don't know how to talk to girls. And I've already explained that was, you know, from there and then it's OK, learn how to talk to girls. So what's the what's the bid after that having? Sex with girls. Yeah, so finger fun.
Hello, So it's first, best, hottest and it was actually the last one I wrote for this because the fifth one is not that deep, which is like feet the feelings one the first time getting feelings. I love how you say it's not that deep and then say it's about feelings. Yes, because say the sex 1 is deep. The sex one's deep well. Figuratively speaking, the the. So because because not that deep.
The whole premise of it is kind of meeting someone and being like, Oh my God, are you my soul mate or do we just like the same music? Like it could be it can be good sex, which I think. Happens a lot. Also good sex. Can I blur your mind? Oh my God, I'm in luck. Oh, I'm not. Especially with women and listen, I have had wonderful sex with all the genders, so don't I'm not hating on the men. You know I have got shut up. But that first time with the puppet was. Life changing can.
You. Why did? You say shut up, Beth. Only because I'm personally. You. Feel really upset you feel so upset by listen, fuck off. Can you do the tequila taste that line with the fingers. Just do that for me now, because this you're gonna need them later down there now. Yeah, it's that you got that tequila taste. Why don't you let me take those rings off your fingers? You're gonna need them later. Sorry. Oh. I have to ask, I've been trying
to work that out. Yeah, because everybody thinks it's the rings that you're gonna need later. It's the fingers. You're gonna need the fingers later, so take your fucking rings. Yes, I. Thought the rings because I was thinking, well, she's gonna need the rings late. Yeah, everybody, everybody keeps doing their. Now fingering rings and I was thinking I'm messing up because you can actually get rings that vibrate, that vibrate and our textures. I'm getting some, Yeah, that's
so great. Completely got the whole. I am. I kind of, I do kind of like people not really getting it though, because it gives me opportunities coming like, oh hey guys, it's like, it's not the rings that she needs later. And they're like, yeah, you can play on. Also you can be like first time lesbians putting on a stack of gold rings before going into the bedroom with a girl and then they're in hospital with a doctor just. All Now I wonder how many times
that's happened. I bet it's like it's happened a lot, I bet. Do you know this is the roguest thing that's probably ever going to come out of my mouth? It's easier to take the rings off while she's been fingering her for a little bit because it lubes up your fingers and you can take them. Off. Yeah, but you've been there. The cum then drives around the thing, the ring. Yeah, but have you ever been there when you're kind of like midway and then you think, oh
shit, all is said and done? And not everything's attractive anymore. And the next day you look at your bedside table and your gold wing, your gold wing, your gold wing, your gold rings are white. It's not all fun and games. Anymore, it's not when you have to wash, it's the shade. Do you know what do you know what the queer girls need is instead of old people putting their teeth into things on the side of. Bed a little sterilising part the we. Need.
A sterile station? Yeah. For the rings and finger dipping because no one wants BV. Do you know what That is so true Because nobody ever thinks about dirty fingers. Dirty fingernails. And then you get BV. Yes, everyone, like everyone. No one is immune. We all get it because your little girlfriend has gone to the toilet and then she's touched the toilet door or whatever. And then she's fingered you. God, you lot. You lot your rings on as well. That's going to be your Part 2
of that song. It's just to clean your rings and your fingers. To BV. And then you're going to need it. Nate, as later, is going to be the sterile station that we're now going to. Create No. It's a pessary first. Best bacterial vaginosis that's not get sponsored by Caniston because I bet they pay really well they. Would. Every kind of simple life. Anyway, back to this sexy song that you've just made. So unsexy and I don't think I can ever sing a YouTube video. Is really hot.
Thanks, so hot this is It's the era of the first traps. I'm so glad because you do not understand how bored I am of the entire Internet thinking that I don't know how to talk to girls. Guys, guys, hear me out. She's actually got chat. She's got a lot better as well. You've always had no, so this is the thing. You have always had really good chat. We've said from the start Beth has always had a thing, like always had a thing. We've always advocated for this, always had really good chat.
I think the problem was before was that you cracked quite early, so you wouldn't like hold it for long enough. Like, no, it's quite easy to crack you. That's what you've improved on because the chat's always been there. But I think it's the confidence. Right. You're slightly more confidence the growth. It's because I think The thing is I don't really take myself very seriously, so I think I've just never had the thing in me to be like, OK, I'm gonna like stick with the sexy thing. Yeah.
Because it's not really me but but listen like I am not denying my my gay panic Ness like we've all seen it. It's it's not fake it's real. However, I do know how to talk to girls because if I didn't like where would the rest of this EP of oh. You just, I really know how to talk to girls. I think you're right. The envisage of what people thought that was was like literally no idea, no conversation, no chat and actually I don't know how to talk to girls, is about an AN.
Approaching a woman so. There's gay panic in a script. It's actually, you know what, actually, once I'm talking to 11 like a girl it I'm all right, it's it, but the approaching is still hot. But I feel like it's that with a, with a crush, with anyone I don't know like. I get that with like there's people in our life. I would be like, I'd get gay panic. Not overtly outwardly, but in my brain I'm thinking, what am I going to say now? I think.
It just doesn't help that you get very visually red, do you? Know what I mean? It doesn't also like alcohol. Flushes me so much, right? Then you're already give me two drinks and I'm like, my cheeks are gone. So it does it. Yeah, it does tell you. The baby, you're giddy just like me, honey. You love to get giddy and you love to get a little bit silly. And girls are really hot and they are quite intimidating as well, like women are intimidating.
Before we go on to the questions for Beth, though, I do really just want to talk quickly about this because what we're talking about here is a lot of it is about like people's interpretation, people forming opinions based on very little information and how amazing yet damaging and awful the Internet can be. And we were talking about this before we started recording. Don't talk to me because the Internet. The the hate that I get, the hate that we get from men being like you're a joy.
It just really doesn't bother me. What does bother me is when our own community say shit or like come for us in a really personal way. But it couldn't be further from the fucking truth if they tried for it to be but. It's because people think that they know you though, that's the thing, right? And a lot of people will do that for you because you do go out on the street, you talk to them, you're very organic for that, right? So you're very clever at the way
that you do it, but. That and it is real. The thing is real. But people. Will believe that that is Beth as an entirety. Exactly. And that's the thing, it's like it is a real part of me also. Like 0.5% of your life and the same as us with this podcast. It's like everything you hear on this podcast is 100% authentic, real, who we are. But this is 2 hours of recording of seven days a week.
Exactly. Also, like, you know, I mentioned it a little bit earlier when I was talking about marketing it, It doesn't make sense. People are not, we're not in that era of, of life right now. It's short form, right? That's where we're at TikTok, it's reels, that's what's going off. You get a few seconds to get people's attention. They don't have time for your life story and, and, or to, to explain the context of the fact that, oh, hi, this is a song
that I wrote 2 1/2 years ago. So actually right now I do know how to talk to girls, but I'm going to just serve you a song. Like I can't do that. So it's like it doesn't make sense. People are fucking exhausting. They really don't think. That, that is, that is the only thing. They're all things are. Just chronically online and it's like, I can honestly say never in my whole entire life have I commented something negatively on someone's show. Me either. Why would you do that? I mean I.
Have discussed go and have sex. I've seen something exactly, literally go. Hobby go go and have sex up your. Ass I have seen something or repeatedly seen stuff. But yes I'll send it into the group chat and be like what do people think of this? Right. Which is fine. That's really normal. But I've never gone out of my way to comment on someone's thing and be like, you're a piece of shit or I know so much about you from this one clip.
I'm going to say something. Yeah, really awful because I know everything. Yeah, it is just weird. People are bored. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. But on the other side of it though, it's managed to give you this platform which you never would have had without it so. Exactly. And generally people are really nice. Generally people are nice. I think, you know, again, it goes back to it's the same conversation location in
circles. It's the same thing as I had it on a video where I had opened it saying something about being bisexual and somebody had commented going, oh, if you're bisexual, then why are all your songs about women? They're not. But at this point don't have Such Girls wasn't even out yet. So you had two songs from this EP, which is about women, and then one song before that was outwardly about women. Other than that, they're either
not gendered or like about men. So it's like, but you, because you have seen two videos of me talking to women, that's what you have decided I am. And then that's what you're going to make that judgement off. And I think it's just like reminding people that there is so much more than what they see online. And you could delve back into the depths of forever and you still wouldn't know the whole story because what I've chosen to share with you, like I have so much going on and I feel so
strongly. I will die on the hill that like you have to protect yourself. I don't want the entire world's opinion on most of my life like it just because I just because I put some of it on there, it doesn't mean that the world is owed everything I do and every person that and also has a. Really scary space. Yeah, and I just don't want it. It's like if I put it out there, then yeah, you kind of are putting yourself out there to be criticised.
But like I, you know, there was a video, the announcement that I made, I was in between a session and going somewhere else and I had my dog with me for this tour that was announced. I was supporting Katie Bazer on tour. Oh, yeah, It's going to be really great. We did a little bit like really simple little video. And I have a sausage dog who's a little stubborn bastard, right? And they they like, right, we need to run.
You run off together. And that dog, I have to drag him everywhere he is. I have to drag him everywhere. Like Ziggy happens every day of my life. He gets dragged. He doesn't. He knows that he's. Also you and that dog are bonded like. He is treated like a human and the same siggy that if. Anyone ever came at me? I go on and I know what you're going. To say, well, so and there's a, there's AI actually thought it was funny, right? Because he's a tiny dog, he's
fine. He gets a little bit whipped round when I run. He got a little bit heated, right? Yeah, but because he refused, because he refused to run and everyone's like he can't keep up. He's got a little yes he can. That dog out runs me when he wants to. So when he's got, when he's gone away. Also dachhans were literally fucking made to chase rabbits and things. They are fast ferrets. 3 fucking holes that is. They're literally quit.
It's read to be. Glisten, if I get a Greg sausage roll and I leave the packet on the side, he's gone. He's gone. I ain't getting him. I don't know where he's gone Right so. He's think he does. That dog is fine, yeah, but Oh my God, the comments. Oh that part of dogs that you know oh you can't drag your dog like that. Also that dog should be on a harness. No he shouldn't. His sorry going off on tangent ear that shows aren't meant to be how.
About take your fucking energy about feeling about animal welfare and go to a literal charity and do something. Go do something about it. I think my point with that being as much as I went on a tangent about my dog because I feel very impressed about it is that I am so deliberate with what I share online because that's like, if it's, I don't care if people come for me, me directly, me, you're ugly, you're this, you
Can't Sing, don't care. I'm doing what I want to do, but I'm like, I'm keeping elements of my life private because I don't want them to be up for grabs. And I like it was a perfect example with one snippet of my dog being online that people are perceiving in a certain way. It's like that's really precious to me. And that is something that is going to make my life worse. So why would I do it to myself, which is why I am, I'm quite, you know, private about my private life.
And there's obviously a line like I like the idea of private, not secret, But why would I want to put up like Pete, you know, that's my dog. And like people that I care about what you want me to put this person that like I've just started dating or I've been dating for all of this time, you want me to show you their lives as well. So then their lives are also up for grabs. Like that's, I think that's another thing that I do feel quite strongly about with like being online.
It's just when if you don't know something about someones life, it isn't necessarily because they're trying to hide it from you or keep things a secret, it's because you don't deserve an opinion on. It all the time, yeah. And you'll have one, probably. Yeah, you might not. You might be a lovely person who's like, that's nice that she's living her life like that. Yeah. But there's a fucking load of people who are going to sit there and be like, it will. I think I'm like, shut up.
Yeah. So that that was my point. Thank you. No, I completely agree. So we put onto the Lesbian Supper Club Instagram. If you don't follow us by the way, do it's at Lesbian Supper Club pod basically saying best coming on the podcast. What do you want to know? And lots of you have sent lots of questions and obviously I'm just going to pick up the best one. I'm terrified, but the best. One the best ones the best ones the best. Ones it's not even a question, but it's a thank you and it's
really made me laugh. Say thank you. I found out my ex was cheating on me from the back of one of your videos. So. Good Oh my God please DM me the the info because I need to know the key and I know it's none of my business. Sorry I just went off on a massive rant about how things are none of people's business but like I need to know my business. I need to know to you, OK, right. That one. I just wanted to get out the way. Just going to fire through some of the more like the logistical
ones. Is she planning a Barcelona gig? Is she? Oh, not planning, but I love Barcelona, so yeah, it'd definitely be on the. Counter but we should all do one together. Her opinion on Jenny Schechter. Yeah, exactly. That's all that needs to be said It's just a sigh. Just. A loud sigh and an eye roll. Necessary, but annoying. You know what? I mean, does she snore A. Little bit, not a lot, but a little bit, just a little bit. Usually when I got cold, can't
breathe. What's the most cringe moment you had when talking to a girl? I've shared this on the Internet. Actually, it was Long story short was it was. Yeah, it was the DJ. And I, yeah, tragically thought that something was going on and I just really fumble the bag. And I like then lent in, I'd had too much to drink and we were. And I was like, maybe this is a vibe. And like right before she got on a rubber, I like, leaned in and she swerved me for a cheek kiss.
But then The thing is. Was Beth Beth Mccarth. Right, you know what wouldn't swerve me now? But. Back then, yeah. And what I will say very quickly is just exclusive. That story has an even worse back end, which is that I invited her to one of my gigs. I also invited my amazing, beautiful friend Nadia, who again, nothing has ever happened with. But yes, when I first saw them, did I fancy them? Yes. It's not that vibe now, but I mean, I still fancy them in a
friend way. But like I, it was like, oh, that fit. And then for whatever reason, I invited them both to my gig. Not with any intention of like I'm gonna try and crack on with both of them at the gig or anything, but I was like. I do think you felt like they'd both be in the audience and then be like, oh. No. Fall in love with me. Yeah, absolutely. Because that's why I do it, right. Yeah. And and then anyway. Worked on me. I worked on ME and I've said it many.
Exactly, that's the only time you fancy me is when I was. You. Always say yeah you. I have a 10 minute window after I come off stage and then it's gone again, three hours. Brilliant. Then basically I came off stage. I had like a bunch of people talking to me after the gig. I could see them both in separate parts of the bar. And then at one point they, they, they'd met and I was like, oh, that's, that's cool. And then, yeah, of course, of course they really got on.
And of course they dated then after that. And so basically I invited two people that I fancied to my gig and they ended up dating each other and I got friends over. A loser. I'm a loser. I don't know how to talk to girls. So good. There you go. Someone said your lyrics are always so relatable, where do you get your inspiration for them? Slash your EP so. If we pretty much answered. We've kind of answered that. But like music, yeah, my life.
But I guess like musically, I do like kind of conversational lyrics. So it's like the kind of Julia Michaels, you know, Sabrina Carpenters of the world. It's, I guess it's in that realm where it's like I like to, if I'm in a session, if I'm writing a song, I'm like, OK, I want to say that, but in a, in a way that you would say it to your mate, like on a voice note, not in like a, hey, I'm writing a lyric. So like like I kind of want to give it a bit more, if that makes sense.
I totally. Get it? How would you describe yourself in three words? Pink. I knew that was coming. Chaotic. Yeah. Alfie. Alfie. Yeah, Probably. Gay chaotic. No, sorry. Pink chaotic. And Alfie. Yeah. Yeah, that's quite good. Yeah, someone else said this one. I don't know why it made me laugh, but it did. How's her ass for love bites? I don't even know but like. Does that mean like is it a good bum to give a love? Who? Sent that we can cut this out is.
It someone who? I'm gonna say their. Name so OK when my brain was going with that it's like oh is this a person who's previously given my ass a love bite and they're trying to like get in there but no I can't say that Donna Tweedy ever gave my ass a love bite so Donna. You have got a lovely ass though, so I'll answer that for you. People do keep asking like European Tour Sweden so. There are going to be some your updates. I'm I'm announcing a tour.
It'll be next week when this goes out. So it's there is a tour announcement happening. So keep your eyes peeled. I'm not going to like spoil it for everyone. But yes, there are going to be a couple of your updates in there. Not that I'm that I'm sure there will be some disappointed people because I can't go everywhere obviously, but you know, I guess shout about it if I'm not going and then I can be like, hey, managers, there's loads of people. Want me to go there?
Make a noise. Well, that's like, and that is so true as well. And you were there and I'm like taking it for all of us. I saw an interview from Renee Rapp and they asked her what was your what's been your favourite memory ever from all of your concerts? She said her favourite ever memory was when she'd done her off the cuff London gig. Didn't realise she had such a big following here and also said performing in the kitchen and everyone singing it in their British accents literally like
rocked her fucking world. So you just never know. So you do have to rave about loving who you love. So the last question is, well, we've had lots more. But as I've just said to the guys that or the girls or the gays, that a lot of them I think we've actually covered for you guys throughout this episode. So I'm going to finish on a funny one, and it's a arch nemesis one between me and you. Oh. Who gives birth more gay panic, Scarlett or Freyr? Scarlett gives me more gay
panic. I'm going to kill myself. But that's because you give it back to me more like you're a, you're in, you're more of a outward. Flirt. That's space. No one minute no. I think it's because I am the softer of the. Two, you are and you're too. You're you, you give me gay panic when you actively like go out of your way to give me gay panic. But I think you feel a bit sorry for me. So you kind of go, no, no, no, not in a not in a mean way.
But I think like you'll, you'll be like softer with me so that it's like you won't try and you won't like really try and make me feel uncomfortable, whereas Scarlett will. She isn't a touchy feely person whereas I am. So you feel like when it comes from Scarlet, it feels very intentional, whereas when it comes from me, because it's happening all the time, Yeah, you're completely blind to it now. And I fucking I hate myself. No, but it's gay panic as Dick like, you know, just.
Shut up, Scarlet. You've got Brie. Can't have it all. And I want my cake and I want to eat it too. I want them all to want me I. Fancy you both the same? I fancy you too, darling. The gay panic thing is a different thing, yeah. OK, SO notes. Don't be so butt hurt. Butt hurts. Your butt hurts. Yeah. I just want to quickly go back to talking about first, best, hottest, the sexy song because we brushed over this. Yes. But Freya, your, your voice is in that song.
So I can't remember what I even say in that, but you made me send you a load of. Voice I make right? I feel like the move is right now that I have to find some of these voice notes that you sent me. Oh yes. Because so basically, so in what do you call it? Originally I wanted to have like a girl saying hey, I have feelings because the middle 8 is like I supposed to be a phone call.
The phone rings like hey, and it was going to be like I you know, I have feelings for you like a break in the song. So I was I like got you to do it right, and and then it's ended up being just like this isn't what? So then I was like, OK, we could do it in first, best, hottest, and I want to call back to don't have sorts girls where it's like she said and she says, what's your name? And I can't remember it. And so I was like, we'll open it
with what's your name? So that's what you what I ended up getting you to say like way down the line, but this was the beginning, right? So OK, I'm going to be. 1 * 2 See, can I just say quickly I didn't get involved in any of this because I knew one day it'd come around to bite me on the ass? Yeah, here we are. Yeah, Where are you? Take the ticket. I do right? So she goes normal for a couple right? Is one of the I think I might have feelings for you. I'm going to fucking die.
I think my Dick is too big. Hey, I think I might be in love with you. Hey I think your mom is really fat. Hey I think your pussy is. God I want to. This is so me though, like I can't. You know what? It's so. So many right, So and The thing is the the pussy is God one, right? Actually originally was what was in first best hottest because I'd I'd sent all of these to the the producer. I was working with Alexander and he did what do you call it?
And he also did first best hottest with me and I sent like a bunch of them to him. And I sent the pussy is God one as a joke. And then when we did first, best, hottest, he was like, it was like, Hey, I think your pussy is God. And then I start singing and when I tell you, I wish I could have put that, but I was like King Princess that. Little bit though for life I feel like king. Princess would have fucked with.
That yeah, probably, but I was like, ah, copyright issue also like at that point I'm probably a bit. Like you could DM King Princess then be like, hey babe, would you be offended? And they'd be like. Nah, if I did this I might put it out like not not put it out. You could do like a mini version. Two or something just for the crack. Also, I was like, but at this point, I mean I'm fine now, but I was thinking about releasing this and I was not.
This was this PP is like the first time I've been so this open about being queer and. And it's quite it's. Interesting, like the again, the year on this podcast thing like this podcast was the first time I was really, really open about my queerness, like in a in a deep play. I know look at me now. But like I remember talking about like my first experience with a girl that was freaking that was I had shared that with the world. Now I would just do it in a heartbeat for a for a TikTok
video. Do you know what I mean? But I for that song, then we ended up switching it into What's your name? Because I thought it'd be a clever throwback and and whatever. So yeah, if you if you have a little listen to the you'll hear phrase the first, best, hottest, the. Finger in themselves to you. Everybody thinks it's me though, because we sound similar. But this is what made me laugh so much, was that when I heard you doing it on someone else's song, I could. Be Frayer.
I laughed because I was like, not only is it the same concept, but the voice is exactly the fucking say. It's funny, we've got the same voice, same name. Yeah, we do. We do all the. Second, your long lost sister. We also in the club we like have quite, we have kind of similar brains sometimes as well. Both the same level of chaotic and like very caring, loving have your. Moments of brutality emotional anxious like the anxious attachment. Is that like the big? Smiles.
As well, let's go girly. Really big smiles, which is quite similar. You're both short Queens. I'm not as short as Beth, OK? Really, you are a. Short Queen. You know what? It's funny because Beth coming to Levi's today and we always like source out the pink for Beth, of course. Yeah, my Beth on a pair. Of trousers. And she's like, why is everything so long at the moment? It's really annoying. I was like, they don't have this conversation with me. Say it to prayer. Same.
Yeah, I'm, I'm fine. I'm almost 57. Almost right? You're more 5-6 than you're 5. That's above average. Right for a woman, that's above average for a height for a woman. So why the fuck does nothing fit? We are meant to be a growing. Species, there we are. But fuck off. Anyway, let's go on to the Horror Story. OK, so this person wrote in this Horror Story says hello. First off, I want to tell you
how much I love the show. I listen to it often while I'm running and I think my neighbours think I'm deranged because I will start laughing loudly whilst I'm running down the street. Thank you very much. Thank you for the queer love and representation. As a millennial I can say that I wish I had something like this to help me navigate my sexuality. Thank you, thank you, thank you and you can also thank Beth as well for that because she's doing the same.
This Horror Story is one that started and ended like a typical lesbian bar experience and then took a turn. A few years ago I was visiting some friends in a city with a great gay bar scene. One of my friends had a Co worker I'll call T. She wanted to go out with us quiz to the lesbian bar. T was by all accounts heterosexual and in a situation ship with a guy in the military who was deployed overseas. All she really liked this guy.
She talked about how often he would behave like a Dick her words and was somewhat wishy washy about exclusivity and labelling their relationship. Needless to say, none of us queers were rooting for this relationship. All of us hung out during the day and team made some comments about wanting to make out with a woman and never having done it
before. Classic let me tell you tea is beautiful and when we started to pregame she started to flirt with me. When we were in the cab on the way to the bar she looked at me and said let me take the lead on this and I was like Oh my God OK. We all start drinking and having a good time and then she and I went to sit down in a less noisy part of the bar. The next thing I know she grabs me and we start making out.
I figured it would be something short and quick but it started to escalate and I asked if she wanted to go to the bathroom. Another classic, Another classic. So we start having sex in the bathroom for about 15 minutes and then after she came we decided to go outside again. Everything was cool for the rest of the night and she made it back to the hotel and fell asleep. She's in a different bed than me. In the morning I wake up to tea talking to this guy and acting
like nothing happened. Like almost as if she had amnesia and we didn't drink that much for her to black out. She's literally in bed gushing about this guy. I didn't think anything more would happen but it seems so strange to not even acknowledge it. Anyways, we have breakfast, I go home and everything's fine. But that's not the horror part. A few weeks later I find out that the guy that she was seeing was killed in combat and I'm the last person his girlfriend kissed.
It was so sad and I felt so bad for her and the loss in general. I don't necessarily feel guilty because I could have never predicted the outcome and she was part of the decision, but all of the things that happened after a lesbian bathroom hookup. Sorry, this I know this this is a podcast right? And I should be saying something, but I am. Flabbergasted, I know. Speechless. I like I was like where is this going? Like what? Killed in combat.
Yeah, I know, I know. If you don't laugh, you'll cry. But it is. It's really. Sad. Did they end up together? No, I don't. I would hope not. Well, at least it would be worth it. No, it would be worth it. Kind of. Oh. Expected to go there do. You. No, you don't. That one was can you? That was a doozy. Oh my God, that was awful. It's like, honestly. I don't want to speak ill of the dead.
The fact that she was saying that he was being wishy washy didn't want to commit well in the military. No, what I'm saying he's in the military. If he did want to commit, he's out and about, he's with his mates all the time. He probably was doing the same thing right? It's a. Classic. We can't assume he's dead. We can't fucking someone come after. No, we can't assume, but all I'm saying is for both the girlfriend and the lesbian that. Did do they not ignore it? I can't. Never know.
Look, things do happen. There's a thing, but then you can't like. Also, it's nothing to do and. We've all we, you know, it happened a bit. No, we've all been that. Being the other girl, it being the cheat, like we've all. I've hold my hands up. No one's died after, but like we've said. Never ended in death, however, the lesbian. Curse is taking to the next fucking. I mean, that's something something else you. Can't blame yourself, like you said it is just a very
unfortunate. Really just got so unfortunate, very unfortunate. It was a week later, they say. I think it was quite soon after. Yeah. Oh my. God, I know. God, I mean, that girl would have felt awful, wouldn't she? The other one? Oh yeah, I. Feel like the kid would eat me alive, yeah. That would you would I mean whether it was he he's a man, woman, like whoever the situation like it is awful. I mean, at least you never have to go through the whole thing of
telling him. To label anything though, technically she didn't. She wasn't really. Yeah, true. Look, look, I don't even know what I was going to say. Look. Listen, at least you know he never had to go through the pain of finding out. That's what I thought. It's true. So, you know, he might. Have been not bothered as well, just to make everyone feel better. He might not have bothered because if he didn't want to commit, he would have just been like, actually, do you know what?
If you're doing it, I can now be honest about doing it. I've been doing it. We've all been doing it. We'll never know. Because he's dead. Because right on that note, thank you for listening today's episode of the Lesbian Summer. Club pass for coming. On it's okay. If us have run through of, what's next? So what is next is my EP I Don't Know How to Sort Girls is coming out on Valentine's Day because I am Pink Cupid, otherwise known as pooped.
Who calls you poop it? Which actually Q Pink is cute, but of course I didn't think that. I just thought poop it. I yes, EP on Valentine's Day, I'm doing a big release party at Dolphin Den on the 18th, which you can't come to because it's the sole of the things you've already gone ticket. But if you're already coming, then great, I'll see you there. And then I, yeah, I'm going on on tour, which I will be announcing officially very, very soon. I'm doing, it's my biggest
London show. Well, it's my biggest tour ever and it's my biggest London show by three times I think. So a lot over double, which is insane. And I love it there. It's an incredible location that when the details are revealed, it's just gonna love. Gonna be insane. So I'm very, very excited. And then yeah, the EP is going to come out. I've got a very exciting follow up single which is for the. Oh yes, the one. That we got for the bye babies.
Like if you thought I don't know how to sort the girls with the bye anthem. You prefer this? You're not gonna actually like this song even more. Yeah, same. Yeah, so. There's a lot of good shit. All good things we're gonna. Have another podcast in another year. I'll just keep coming back every in. February, I think it's good for us to check in.
Yeah, then we see and I can't. Wait to hear about what that we'll do it so long as I'm like better because if yeah imagine if it all went downhill now and next time it's like guys it all went wrong I got cancelled You know what though? That makes a brilliant episode for us, so either. Way and then it could be like rising from the dust. Here's my Horror Story. Yeah. Rising. Every my career. Got cancelled, right? We love you. Goodbye and I love you later. See you next week. Bye.