Hello. Hi lesbians. Hello lesbians. And other people you've just called other. The others. And everyone else. It is Pride Weekend in Warsaw and we are with Levi's. We are, and we're here doing an ad hoc but special episode today. So we told you all last week that we were stopping for a bit and then, surprise, here we are. So aren't you all very, very lucky to be hearing us just one week after we said we were pausing for a bit? How fantastic for you all.
I'm so buzzing to be here. No, so am I. We've never been to Warsaw before and we, we, I mean, I say I'm buzzing to be here. We got here and slept so far but. That is actually our favourite thing to do, so I don't know. Yeah, I I could just go to different countries all over the world and different cities and just sleep through. The nap just nap in different. Different sleeping experiences would be incredible, but we are
extremely excited to be here. We're extremely excited to be here with Levis. It's going to be an absolutely incredible weekend. You're all obviously, I'm sure going to have seen it on the socials by the time we post this. And we are also very excited to find out that there is a massive vegan and vegetarian scene in Warsaw, which obviously as lesbians, we don't eat meat because that's like a crossover. So sorry, Julia, who's actually sat here with us right now. You eat meat, but generally
lesbians. She doesn't. Exactly. I just knew you wouldn't because it's just such a gay thing. Like it's just. Obviously the gay thing, but living in Warsaw, the vegan capital of Europe, it's the most amazing thing that happened to me. We didn't know that. How uneducated are we as? Individuals. We only found that out about 3 days ago. Soon, Julia is going to make it the gay capital as well. Yes. This one person. Lesbian one. Yes.
Oh yeah, yeah, that's fine. Actually not gay, just lesbian. The gay men can go to Krakow. Yeah, they have one, we have the other. I'll take it. So we are so excited today because we are joined by a very incredible person called Julia Macho. Macho. I've asked is. It your name? Do you go by Yulia? Yulia. It doesn't matter, Julia. In classic British ignorant style, I've asked three people
today Julia's last name. Every time I've repeated it to myself five times, plus every time I've forgotten it and had to ask it again. And I've still fucked it up whilst recording this. So unconscious. Wine. Start Julia is a chairperson of Warsaw Pride and a board member of the Polish Pride Alliance.
So we are so honoured and you know, amazed to have you sat here today with us to give us a bit of insight about yourself, your life, your past, your present and where you want to take Lesbians of Warsaw in the future. Also, can I just say you're putting us to shame already because we've just been chatting for the past half an hour and I'm like, I am not doing enough. I'm not even doing it a slight bit enough. But it's amazing to actually sit down with someone who is doing this.
And, and, you know, we were kind of looking up a bit about Warsaw, obviously before we came and it was kind of common knowledge that Poland isn't, you know, very gay friendly, LGBTQ plus friendly, yes. We are the most homophobic country in Europe. My mummy's response when I said that to her was if anything happens to you, don't ring me because I don't like aeroplanes. I was like, cheers mum, she said. If you get kidnapped, I don't wanna know about it because I can't help you.
I was like. Ignorance is blessed mum. I don't. I think the whole point of kidnapping is that they don't. You don't know where I am, like, for fuck's sake. So yeah, that's that was the experience coming out. She. Can listen to this episode maybe and she can pick yeah, you.
Definitely put us to shame. So everyone that listened to the previous episode where me and Freya were crying like little babies about how busy we are with our little podcast and then we speak to Julia today and we're like, oh fuck yeah we are. We're pieces of shit, really. Super lesbian definitely and but we are really honoured to have you here, so I'll let you just do a quick little introduction of yourself and tell tell all the lesbians who you are. Oh my God, all the lesbians.
All of them, all of them because they are international. We've got Australia, we've got America, we've got Germany, we've got you guys, we've got UK. Like you're you're going international. Like landing on the moon. You know, the small step for Julia, but the big step for a Polish. As lesbians on the moon, they will 100% be listening to this podcast. Oh, that's me. Obviously. Hi, everyone. I'm Julia. I'm Julia Matija.
I'm from Warsaw. I'm the true woman of Warsaw Pride. I'm not, not scared of that word. I'm a proud feminist, but also proud lesbian. And yeah, the most important thing for me right now for my activism is to support Pride movement in Poland. And I think we will have a little bit time to talk about it. And as my day job, I'm working at the university and I'm an animal scientist. Oh my God. Yeah, I know. Crazy. It's just that. That that's the shame. That's the shame. On top, isn't it?
That is just that is so attractive. It really is. But it's really low. Paid, you know, so. You're, you're a bowler in my eyes though, don't worry. Now I think especially when it comes to animal activism as well, that's like a huge thing that we're really that we're really, really interested in and we love our dog two pieces who has a rescue we're massive
rescue advocates as well. And so for us to actually learn that bit of information about you, it's just like the icing on the cake it. Really. Was. It was the cherry on a very large cake, Yeah. If you couldn't get any better. Worse than someone who doesn't like animals. No, this kind of people, they do not exist. It's weird. Someone says that I. Think they're just lying to anyone who didn't like animals. I think that's a massive red flag.
Like you're just basically admitting that you're a psychopath. Oh yeah. Just tell me that you hate me. Punch me on the face. Yeah. I mean, it's exactly the same. So I first of all, I'm really interested to kind of understand more about you, Like what was your history? What was your journey of growing up in Poland in such a conservative country, realising that you were gay, sort of dealing with that, and then becoming such an incredible sort of advocate at the forefront of a movement?
Because. Because that's exactly what it is. This is always a kind of hard question for me because I had a huge privilege. I have the most wonderful sisters and mom who were always supporting me. So I was growing up in a small city north of Poland, not knowing lesbians exists. Yeah. The Internet was not there yet. You know, I'm only 29, but believe me, if I could Google that, that would be much easier to go for school. So. So at the beginning, I really
didn't like boys. So it was easier to believe that I'm asexual because it was existing like as a pathology, of course, but it was existing in the minds of of Polish people. But lesbians, I have heard about them when I was 11, I believe. And then I thought, that's it. Is it? Is it? Is it me? Jesus. So growing up was not the easiest, but I think that the harder thing was me being very, very stubborn. Sorry, mom.
And and really, really wanted to make some drama, you know, to reinvent the world to show people that, hey, this is inequal, it shouldn't exist. So there was a teacher, math teacher, who told me that girls can can't do math. Wow. So for the whole year I was doing all of the extra math assignment. I was in so many math context contest. You cannot imagine that. Wow. And I was miserable, but I was so happy to prove her wrong.
Like Oh my God, your whole. Life has just been born out of opposite oppositional defiance disorder. Yes, fantastic. I've got Freya. Freya can relate. Yeah, every. You tell me not to do it. Well, yeah, that's Watch. Me, yeah. Watch me, because I'm too. Lazy and I'll be like OK fine. Oh no, but you love being petty. Tell me you don't love being petty. That is like in the core of who you are as a person.
Really. Yeah, Yeah, I should have been a Scorpio. So when you said that, you kind of like figured out, OK, this is what a lesbian is. What did you see? What? What did you see? Was it just like someone walking in the street? Was it like a celebrity? Oh. No, there was a girl, of course. Yes, she will never know about it, but at that point of my life before I knew, I thought, oh I really want to be best friend with her. And then I said to myself, no
girl, sorry. We've done a whole episode. I'm falling in love with the straight best friend. It's a lesbian experience. I'm not true she's straight actually I have no contact with her anymore really but I think she was bi, she didn't knew that too but. Imagine you see her at the parade tomorrow. Yeah. I've. Come around towards each other. That's so. Good, that was that, Julia. 'S girlfriend would love that. She would be so happy about. It Jay what take her.
But really, that was funny because I came out when I was 16 or 17 to everyone, to my family, extended family and my school. And, you know, people weren't happy about it, but everyone was kind of OK. But they say, OK, you can be lesbian, just stop being an activist. Wow. So the bigger issue for many people when I was growing up was me doing things, showing them that you can spend your free time on a something different, on building a better world than playing video games.
And many, many teachers were kind of angry that I was always making something. I fucking love that though. But that was fun. I had the most amazing group, friend, friend group, and I had the most amazing sisters who are always supporting me in front of my family. So I had a great privilege growing up. And this is important to say that most kids in Poland, they do not have such a privilege. Only 25% of mothers and 12% of fathers are accepting their kids in Poland.
It's really terrifying how many young people are walking around without the support of people who should love them unconditionally. That is, that is absolutely insane. It really is. And it's, it's really, really horrible to see because I think that, you know, no matter what we go through individually, you know, in the UK when you're coming out, you kind of know that there's like a wider acceptance.
So if you don't have that wider acceptance, then also the people that are supposed to love you just completely abandon you or don't accept you. It's it's horrible. Where do you go with? That, but I think regardless of like how how supported you were, which is amazing, I think that also kudos to you to like taking it that step further to not just be like, Oh yeah, I'm gay and I'm happy in my little bubble with my family who support me. You were like, no, yeah, I'm
fucking gay. And you went out and you wanted to make a mark about it. We speak. We speak about this a lot as well. And I think maybe part of why people didn't challenge you was because you owned yourself so entirely. I think some, because we speak about this a lot and people say, you know, how do you kind of avoid getting hate or how do you
deal with it? And we always say we kind of, and I don't think I'm, I'm not saying it's as simple as this, but if you kind of speak about yourself with shame, sometimes you open yourself up for someone to shame you. Whereas it sounds like you came out so owning who you were, you weren't just going to let people say what they wanted. So people knew not to challenge you. And I think a lot of what you were saying there is actually re rooted more and probably misogyny rather than you being a
lesbian. This is. The case that was really surprising for me, but I think you're absolutely right. I did my first activism when I was 11. I was giving an extra classes to kids from poor families. Then I was of course active at the animal shelter. That is obvious for me. But I think that this is the case, that people were more scared of seeing a proud woman than a proud lesbian because they couldn't challenge my sexuality.
Like what could they say? Something homophobic and I would just shrug off and I would just be like, OK, whatever. But then to challenge me on so many levels as a woman, putting me in my place, explaining to me that I can or cannot do something. Yes, I think you're absolutely right. Yeah, yeah. I think that's why you being a feminist and being an activist for, you know, gay people, gay rights, et cetera, that goes hand in hand massively. I don't think that you can have
one without the other. And I think that it probably just like fit, like it fuels your feminism as well because you're like, did he just fucking say that to me? And then you're able to like really amplify that, like that part of of what you're doing so that. Was the most important thing for me when I became the president of Warsaw Pride. It was We have to connect. It's impossible that feminists are not openly on our March. How is it? How is it happening?
Right. And during that time I was working for with women who have experienced violence, I was working on the helpline. So I called my friends from other families, NGOs. And since then we were always
having the big representation. And I think that this also the thing that we have so little of tariffs of trans exclusionary feminists or so-called because we are so connected for so many years through the movement that if one of the the feminists, the, you know, well known feminists are saying something transphobic, we can call her and say what the hell, like girl. Yes, we we we had that actually we we we outwardly supported some someone that had been experiencing transphobia.
We had so many turfs comment. I was surprised. Maybe I'm ignorant, but I was quite surprised that you can become you can come from like oppression and be hated on and then hate someone else. I I don't understand how people can. I think. Like unified together. And I think in so many ways our community is, I mean, we are so strong because our community and because of the people in it and because we have each other.
And I think that's international, But I know we spoke about this just before we kind of turned on the mics, is that there's a lot of inner kind of friction as well, which I find so sad because, like, we shouldn't be fighting with each other or like, not getting along because there's a bigger thing to be working towards, you know? Yeah. For the last six years, I had absolutely no personal attacks
from right wing, any kind. I was attacked once on the street and that's it. And every year I'm getting the threats, I'm getting hate messages. Last year my mom got them from people who I called my friends or who are on our side or who are participating in crime. Inside the house it wasn't. It wasn't external like right wing. It was literally within the community that you were getting those death threats. Wow, that's mad. That absolutely just baffles me.
I can't. But it's the same for us. I mean, the the homophobia that we've actually experienced is from gay men in bars. So we'll try and go into a bar, particularly in London, it's mainly gay men bars, like lesbian bars are there's 1-2 basically.
And because we don't look like how they want a lesbian to look like, which is just absolutely pathetic anyway, they will be like just just basically tell us to fuck off because they think that we're just like these girls that are just turning up and, and you know, we will literally look at them and be like, no, no, no, we're together and they're just laughing. Why should his mother? Exactly. Why should I even have to justify it? I mean, we've literally been pushed away from bars.
We don't go out in queer in the in the Soho now because it's worse. We get more hate from inside the community than we do going to our local bars and restaurants with surrounded by straight people. There were mostly queer women in from the community who said I shouldn't be chosen for this position because I don't look gay enough. Wow. And I'm like and what the fuck should I do? Well, we've gotta shave my shave my head by coming in in a minute. And he's just gonna shave it all
two artist. Yeah, but. Isn't that the point of all of this is that we shouldn't all have to look a certain way? Like that's the whole, that's one of the many layers as to why we're fighting for equality, because equality is you can look however the fuck you want, you can be whoever the fuck you want, and you can exist equally to someone else. So. But also, we all in the movement, I believe that we have different purposes. Yeah. Like, I'm not an anarchist at all.
I'm cooperating with the City of Wars. So I'm cooperating with diplomats on many diplomatic levels. And my work is important in this part of the job that we all need to to have to be done. And then we have anarchist movement and anarchist groups who are coming to pride and they have a different job at this situation. And then you have a podcast and it's, it's also a different kind of a job that we need.
So why the fuck We have time and strength and like to to put other people down if it's something that moves us forward, if it's something that actually brings us a little bit closer to equality. Because I can understand that in London there are a lot of people who have time because everything was achieved, so now we have time to hate. But here in Poland we have so much to do. Like, really? Yeah. Why? It's, it's mental. I mean, have you seen any changes like since you've
started working like in this? Position, like what kind of inspired you to get to the position as chairperson or like what drove that? And I'm really interested to understand because I don't understand like has there been significant shift over the last few years and, and how has that happened and what, what has that looked like?
Because I'm, I mean, we did do some research, but it was actually quite thin on the ground as to understand the real history and the kind of progress and the journey of equality in Poland. So I'd really love to be able to hear that from you. And I know that's a really long that's. A big question, sorry. I didn't want to become president of Warsaw Pride, OK, I said no for three months. Really. I was 22 at the time. Yeah, my God, I really wanted to
stay at the university. I really wanted to have a scientific career. And I was afraid that being an activist is going to stop me from this. That was the biggest issue for me. But the other thing was that I was super young, right? I, I didn't want to have this kind of burden. Yes, I will. I will call it that way on my, on my shoulders. So at, at the beginning, I really didn't want to take that. And at that time equality Parade was small event. I would say we had 15 to 20,000
people coming. It was really not inclusive. It was being made by gay men. So what I was lacking of was the bigger representation of course from the community, but also the just everything. I wanted everything to be bigger. Come on. So, so I had this vision. So I said no, even though I had
this vision. And then my friends from the the volunteering team, because we were together in the volunteering team, said Julia. This is the time, this is an opportunity for us to make the pride as we want it to be and we are going to do it with you if you are going to take it. Yeah, so I did so I did. The first year was absolutely amazing. We didn't knew what we are doing at all, like everything was kind of coincidence I would say, I
suppose. There'd been no one there to pave the way like you were literally start. Yeah. What you. Scratch. And then it's almost like, where do you start? You just have to start somewhere. We had two amazing men. I'm I'm not usually saying that, so I would say don't. How painful was that? Jesus Christ, I I could see the gritted teeth there. Yeah. We had Lukesh Pawetzky and Pavel Kypushevsky who taught me the technical issues, like how to build a float because I didn't
know how to do that. So, so they, they gave me a lot of know how and a lot of knowledge. But the rest of this was, I mean, that was a circus, you know, Like, everything was burning. There was some monkey jumping over the roof, and there we are dancing in the middle of this absolutely amazing time. But then we kind of did it twice as much. People came. Love. That a lot of representation, a lot of different movements. We were the first country in the world where Greenpeace took part
in pride. Yes, we we kind of started talking to different companies and different brands. Yes, Levi's was one of them. Levi's big up. Levi's on this? Yeah. And so, so we got some money that we could actually use to build something bigger. Incredible.
And it it kind of grew. So in 2019, we had a parade of approximately 70,000 people and we had huge Equality Town where all of the NGOs were giving speeches and workshops so everyone could educate themselves about different minorities, not only LGBTQ people. And I said to myself, that's wonderful, that's it, I did my job, thank you. And then COVID came and you are not leaving your organisation during crisis.
So I stayed and here I am still because last year we had a war, so it was also kind of a crisis, and this year it is still kind of a crisis situation for us. We are going to have a huge representation from Ukraine. This is really important to us, you know, the, this is something that actually keeps me going, you know, to be able to use my power to give the streets of Warsaw, to give them away to Ukrainian community, to have the power to do that. That was the most amazing thing
last year. So we had a Warsaw key of pride last year together. And yeah, what had what, what, what changed? The political situation is worse. I mean, you're not alone there. In all fairness, yes. Sorry. Everyone so far these. Were in shit together in that sense. I mean the Brexit kind of paved the way. Yes it is so the political situation is worse but the the society is much further So right now more than 50% of Polish society is pro equal rights for
LGBTQ people in general. I'm not talking about specifics. Of course, adoption is still kind of a issue, but at least equal partnerships and marriages. And when I took over the Warsaw Pride, it was 12% as I believe. Wow. So it's a, it's a huge. Difference. It's a huge shift in our society. So that's why I'm angry where the politicians of opposition are saying, oh, the society is
not ready, they are. We have better percentage than Ireland had, than Argentina had when they were introducing their equal laws. So we are much further do you? Know what I think that is, though? They're shitting themselves. That's what it is. Because for so long they've been able to spill a narrative that queer people and gay people are just disgusting and we don't deserve a place in this world. And you know, all of these
things. And I think it's easy to to build a following whoever, you know, if you shout the loudest, people will come, right? And you've managed to create something that has built a following of support and that probably was already always there, but people didn't feel you've. You've created an openness that people now feel they can and it's. A big safe space as well even as.
An ally and yeah the opposition is shitting themselves and I think that's probably why they're now screaming louder about kind of debunking these things because eventually and I do truly believe this not even just for Poland like every country that is suffering with inequality we will come out on top like historically you know whether you're talking about war you're talking about you know gay rights trans rights we will always prevail and I think they need to know that like it's not
going to ever go it's. Not going to go away. I think that's the main thing is that they think that if they brush it under the rug, it just so raises the gay people. Like we just all go back into the closet and then just. Yeah. And if they get angry enough and if they get aggressive enough, then they will scare us into submission. And I don't think that will ever work. I mean, it never has. Like historically, we've always come back. And I think it's actually created change.
You know, it's creates movement sometimes when you get to a point of an uprise of positivity and then you kind of get knocked back a bit, but then it creates a further uprise of positivity because you've already built that foundation. And I think you will probably see that this year and probably years to come that will just grow and grow and grow, which is in incredible and something to be, you know, insanely, insanely powered. Definitely. That's great. Yeah, it is.
It's very. True. Because I think we've always lived in a society that it's not perfect. I mean, I've had hate crime on the streets of London. I'm not going to sit here and say that I haven't, but I know and I think it is that kind of whisper of safety that we do have incredible organisations. We have so many big corporations such as Levi's and other brands and you know, massive sponsorships over in the UK that
do advocate for us massively. I. Mean what you say as well, like even when you were growing up, like not being able to have access to lesbians online. I mean, I don't know what I would have done because like my my, my feed was like Ellen were. You not allowed to stream the L word, is that not? No, no, no. At one point we were streaming the L Word, but I think I was 14 at that point. Yeah, I was. We're streaming. It for the 6th time at the.
Moment we are yeah, back on season 1, but no, Oh my God. That's a. Amazing, Julie. That's a psychological. Issue I believe. You go out, maybe change the world, right? Yeah, we do that. We get on this little podcast once a week and say little. My things. And then we go home and we watch the L word with our day. Cod. We are, can you switch? Like, I really want that life. I know because I feel like you
berate us so hard. Like I know that when you were doing extracurricular maths I was spending 18 hours a day on Sims 3, but me and you, we're just not the same. When you were doing extracurricular maths, I was smoking weed in a park on my own. I was Downing Lamborini by the bottle. Yes, straight. Throwing up in my mum's car. Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's two different types of people in this world, Scarlett, right? It feels so. Shit during there are not.
The different types of people, there is just some things they cannot speak publicly about, you know? Yeah, no. I'm working on a public university. This is the point. This is your time. But. Yeah, we're here for you to speak as publicly as you want. You know, is there anything because like we, we've asked you all the questions, but like anything that you'd want people of either like Poland or people, you know, university to, to understand about the movements here or like what's.
Yeah. And how do we support Like what we be doing you? Know the thing that I love about Polish community and I'm talking about Polish, not Warsaw. Sometimes people are putting equal between the two of them, but it's not is that Warsaw is wonderful and we have wonderful pride and you are more than welcome to come. But this is not the real change that is being created in our country and the real change is being made by small cities. In 2017 we had seven prides in Poland, now we have 34.
Wow, 35 this year. That's amazing. There's. Going to be some of the new and we created Polish Prides Alliance. You can find us online, we have a website to to kind of give the voice back from this big, big NGOs from Warsaw who are usually talking about how LGBTQ people live in Poland or how, how their situation is to give it back to the regions to be for them to be able to tell their own stories. So right now, what I really believe in is that we have a wonderful time in Warsaw.
It's important to have Warsaw Pride. We have a lot of of this regional activists coming to have a great time, you know, and brief a little bit during our pride. But the big difference, the big change that the society is making is happening in these regions. Last year we had the smallest March in mileage. It's 12,000 inhabitants, 200 people came. This year we are going to have a March in Shtum, which is 7000 inhabitants. I know it sounds big for some of the countries, but in Poland
it's practically a village. So we will have a first village pride. So I actually believe that the change is not going to be created from Warsaw. So if you're looking to support us, you can always sponsor the pride itself. We need €1000 for a pride to happen in a smaller city, OK. Amazing. And do you have? Like links and things that we can kind of put out there. Obviously fantastic I was being
born with links. Lesbians, we're flooding you like this is your opportunity because you're not paying us. So pay someone really believe because we're we're doing some free labour for you lot over here. So do not give money to Warsaw Pride, give it to regions. They are doing marvellous thing. Yeah, I mean, with the money, the amount of money that they have, they shouldn't be able to do the things that they are doing.
This is amazing, truly. Blown away to hear that because I grew up in a small town in the countryside. We don't have that. No. What we I've never had, there's no pride there. So the fact that that's happening in, you know, a less aggressive country that there are that is actually just again, like, I'm blown away. There is clearly a lot of unity here. It's just it's just a lot looking it. It's literally just the beginning, which is incredible. It's a lot of perseverance.
You know, people here, not only LGBTQ people, but also allies, they are fed up with the amount of hate from our government. So they are like, I didn't care about, you know, LGBTQ rights, but I cannot stand, you know, the hate speech against the group of people. Yes. So I'm becoming an ally. I'm becoming an active ally to actually support you. I. Mean that's pretty great. And I find it hard to believe that no one in this world just doesn't want peace, right?
So like, whether you actively support it or not, you surely just want like an easy life. I think that's what we're all asking for. We're just asking for a bit of peace. Yeah, and like, have you ever been to London before? Oh. Yeah, honey, I love London. You love Sister. Lived there for a few years and the first time I travelled there I was flying alone. I was 11. So that was that's when you found the lesbians, Yes, Yeah. And. I was actually gay club in London. Really.
Yeah. They paid the the security guard to let me in with my. Head, that's amazing. I mean, it didn't look like heaven if I have to be. I mean it looks like hell, but called called. Heaven. Oh no, I don't. Know that I I absolutely don't. Look like hell. That's amazing. The floor was super. Sticky. Yeah, yeah. They're underground and they are sticky, greasy dungeons. Yeah, I've had some fantastic times there. But but it's great. It's breeding Covic, isn't it?
Yeah. It's actually sounds like Poland. I had a fantastic time there, but. On that note, I've got two other questions before we probably have bored you to death. One being on the note of gay clubs, is there anywhere, if so where, if people are visiting Warsaw to go out as a queer person and have a really great time? One is Madame Q, it's a burlesque show. It's absolutely LGBTQ friendly. They have also a lot of drug
shows every every week. The safest place I have ever been to completely completely go there, do it. It's amazing and beside that La Pose, it's a new club also in the city centre and the most amazing voguing team is being in charge of it. So strike a pose. That kind of vogue, yes. Love that you will see a lot. Of tomorrow the. Parade tomorrow, you know where she is. I'm in love the drag. Show she's on the floor in the drag show.
Oh no. No, no, tomorrow I'm actually sweeping floors and cleaning after your party. So you're, you have to, you know, your family with our lesbians. Will not leave you sweeping the streets alone. Believe you love to know how much of a strong dyke I like to be, so if you give me a task I will do, I will. Told you, OK. Why? Yes, that's so we always have a session like we always come up with these things like gay
inanimate. Why is a broom a gay inanimate object is like a like a street brush is very it's giving queer, isn't it? It's. Giving lesbian it is giving. But so as we were saying this the other day, WD40, you know the oil that you use on your car that's, that's gay. It's just so gay. Yeah, it's so gay. Like so gay banners and nuts and bolts and things like that. Anyway, I'm going to leave it on one note. That's going to put you on the spot a bit. And you don't have to, you don't
have to answer this. So usually at this time in the podcast we have our disgusting followers submit their lesbian horror stories and they are like horrific. I'm not going to ask you to probably go to the length that some of these people would go to because it is actually quite traumatising, but is there any Horror Story or experience that? Just a bit of. Shocker. Give us a bit of insight on as to any experience you've had over the last however many years you've been out.
That would give us a bit of laugh slash. Maybe make us judge you a little bit, not in a positive way, because you've had a lot of positive. I actually think you need to be knocked down a peg you because we've been complimenting you quite a lot, so I don't. Think so? I'm an Angel. I've had no crazy exes. You've never been the crazy ex. You've never if you. Haven't had the crazy ex you are, no. I'm in touch with all of my exes as a proper lesbian. Should.
Wow, yes, yeah, I mean, fair. There's your one, yeah. I have absolutely nothing bad to say about my exes. That's surprising. Come on, I'm I'm actually. Sorry. That's saying that you're the red flag, though. If you don't have anything to say, they've got a lot to say about you. I I. I'm sure they do. You have to contact them. I can give you now that we'll. Get them on the phone, we'll be recording the whole. Leave. We will do that.
Don't. Worry. No, I I cannot think about any Horror Story busy. Changing in the world, darling. No traumatising first day. Oh. I have a traumatising first date. Oh my God. Something. Oh my God, that was the the worst thing I have ever done. That's why I'm not online dating dating anymore. So I met a girl online that was super, you know, everything was super fun. I mean, we had to really blast. So I said, OK, let's meet, let's
go for a beer. So we sit there for three hours, the most amazing date you can imagine. You know, everything is great, everything is wonderful. And then she goes that she's voting for this far right candidate in the presidential election and not the right wing government that we have right now, the far right neo Nazi one. Oh my God, and. There I am, and I'm like, how the fuck should I escape from this situation? So I said, Oh yeah, I mean, I'm super busy and I'm tired.
I have to go home. I I didn't know if I should tell her, tell her that I think she's crazy or what. I'm very surprised she didn't challenge her I. Mean that was really good date, yeah. Yeah. So I, I, I felt you were glad you were. You were blindsided. I was blind completely. So you know, she was, she was walking me down to the metro station and she wanted to kiss me. And there were, there were, there was I saying I will absolutely never kiss Someone Like You? That would.
Be like kissing a man, wouldn't it? It's like that level of bad. Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that is really I. Never thought I'd say that, but I think I'd rather kiss a man than someone who would vote for, like, a fart. No, I would. Like, I don't hate men. I mean, fucking hell, Scarlet, that is. Yeah, I mean. Everything would be better the this sticky floor in a gay club would. Licking the sticky floor in a gay club, obviously. So I just ran away. Yeah, that. Was, I mean, fair?
Enough and it ties in really well to last week. And I feel bad because I should stood up for myself, but that was a good date. I was so shocked that I wrote, you know, to my best friend. And I was like, how the what is going on? How is it even possible? You know, do. You know, there's got to be something in the air at the moment because actually the last week's Horror Story this girl had written in and she got on a
date with this other woman. They go home, they start having sex and the girls like, I'll talk dirty to me. So she starts talking dirty to her and she's like, no, get worse, get worse, get worse. And this girls like, fuck, I don't know what to say. And this girl looks up and was like, I want you to call me Hitler. So there's got to be. And she's screaming Hitler's name as she comes with the girls fisting it has. To be yeah, with the neo Nazis at the moment, it's just that
coming. I don't know why. It's quite frightening. Maybe it was the same girl. It could have been. Could have been the same girl. Fuck yes it could have been. All connected it. All Yeah, we are. Mentally, yeah, for sure, But. Imagine if it is the same girl we. Need to do some digging. Yeah, some investigation.
OK, so this kind of Horror Story, I absolutely don't have one, but I have some horror stories from equal marches in Poland, you know, So if you want to really hear a Horror Story from a March that was attacked by neo Nazis, I have plenty of that. No, yeah. So when you said Horror Story, that was the first thing that my mind flew. To so. It was hard to come back to the dating side, you know?
Absolutely. See. Again, you've shamed us because we're sat here talking about pathetic lesbian Horror Story where we're all just sad, but nothing that was not. My intention and. You're out here talking about real horror stories that people need to sort their shit out and stand up against. But you know, but then that's why it's been so good to have this conversation with you to, to really like spread that awareness as well as much as we hopefully can on here and then
share all those links as well. Because even just like being here makes you more aware. And, and that she sat down speaking to you just makes us more painfully aware of, of how much further, you know, things can go. But the work that you're doing is incredible. And. This is like a show. Well done as well. To our listeners and some people who have commented to us recently once we announced that we were coming here, basically asking us why we'd go to a
homophobic country. First of all, use your fucking brain. Second of all, how do you think if you're living in your Pretty Little areas in LA or Canada or, you know, London, what the fuck do you think happened historically for you to get to that point? Like if you're a queer person and you're not advocating and supporting and actively, you know, standing up for other countries and nations that do not have the privilege that you do, look at yourself in the mirror because Pride is not just
a glitter party. Pride is there as a political movement and. Poland Pride is still a riot. Exactly. And yeah, you know, we all need to wake up to that. Is that yes, we, we all, you know, I think a lot of our listeners will come from such privilege, but be very aware of that privilege. It doesn't then absolve you for not supporting, you know, to not support other countries and other, you know, your queer family who have to exist in other spaces without the kind of
way that you're able to walk. Through the world. And don't be scared to come to Poland. I know it might, you know, sounds scary, but beside the politicians, we have an amazing society that is going forward, that is going for equal rights, not only for LGBTQ people. So yeah, yeah. Drop by, say hi. Yeah. Come over because I have not. I mean, first of all, there's many hotels I want a nap in, second of all. Food the.
Food I'm not going to be able to get through all the rest, not going to be able to be. Scanning away to a lot of them. And I do love to go to each country I go to. I love to try the McDonald's hair but I can't do it this time because it would be away. So I need to come back to be able to justify just to have McDonald's. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. Uncultured swines. Thank you.
Cultured. Yeah, the Lesbian Supper Club are leaving you today with a sour taste in our mouth that we are uncultured, lazy assholes. Amazing. Have you to thank for that, Julie? No, but seriously. Thank you so much because we. Appreciate how absolutely busy you are, yeah. You are rammed. So, so appreciate taking the time and we really hope you guys enjoyed this episode as much as we enjoyed creating it here today.
And again, just a massive thank you to Levi's because without brands such as this out here advocating for us, you know, these things don't happen. Exactly. So on that note, we love you lesbians and everyone else, and we will see you very, very, very soon. Happy. Pride. Happy pride, Happy. Pride. Bye, guys.