It's time to talks for its sign for cushon you hear this song on the radio, It's time to tune in better reccess. Let me get that potograph? Sports Talk Radio starting now. What's up everybody, and welcome to episode two hundred and sixteen of Let Me Get that Potograph. My name, of course, is Drew or the d Agent, joining me and my awesome co host mister Scott Rappaport and his little puppy. Whose birthday it is? What's going on? My man? What's going on? Yes, it is Trip's
birthday today. He is three and that's a career. As I said earlier that that's twenty one in dog years. So we're hitting up the bar and the casino a little bit later. There you go, There you go, And it sounds like he's happening to party there today. So have fun, Trip on your birthday. Oh, welcome everyboy into the show. We've got a lot of awesome, awesome stuff to talk about today. We spend a little bit of time in the green room hanging out chatting with you guys.
If you just joined. We are live always on YouTube as well, but we're gonna get right into it. Scott let's dive in with the big news of the week. JSA sold sold. What the hell talk about coming out of left field? I've I've heard a lot of rumors and a lot of stuff that's going to happen, and we're gonna speculate on some of that today.
I hadn't heard a word about JSA, So this is something I've actually been speculating on for a long time, but not by not getting purchased by Yeah, my speculation over the last year or so was that there was gonna be some sort of merger between JSA and SGC, and obviously, with SGC getting bought by Collectors a couple of weeks back, that is, Yeah, there's no need for it. So it's not really a shock because CSG did
not have an authentication division, right, and let's be honest. They there's a lot of stuff that they could use that you know, would require authentication of some sort. Yeah, autograph comics, autograph cards, autograph memorability. They couldn't do. Autographed comics was a massive, massive hit to that industry
for forever. And so that changing opens up in that market, which isn't necessarily you know, the card market, but in that area of the hobby opens up an entire new an entire new field, an entire new pop report area, everything. I mean, it's it's a massive move that really didn't expect to happen now CSG and there you know their companies that are all since they have to change their name for everything, they're great. All those companies.
You know, they're owned by some pretty influencial own big name people, so that not a lot of people know that. But this company is owned by quite a few very very big people in this uh in the world, and it doesn't surprise me to see them do this. But like I said, I would have thought s GC. But then, like you said, they have PSA DNA now, so they don't need it. Well, well not necessarily because they're still not they're not going to be integrated with PSA,
right, but that eventually that could come eventually. My again me speculating would be that you know, somewhere along the line, even if they even if they forever remain separate companies that you know, PSA would loan them some of
their authentication people to use. Well that's well, that thing. The idea was to help each other with fraud and also I mean, I think it helps PSA with their vintage and you know, I mean it's easy to keep them separate and have people work together and so, you know, and share that information to better both companies, which now they have a vested do. But the JSA move, I mean it positions CSG very very strong in the
grading gap. Now CSG seems to have I'll tell you right now, doing collecticons, CSG sells better than SGC in TCG world, night day, all day long. Like it. If you look at slabs, we have a buying booth every single one and we get people that come up all the time we're selling and buying. It's always PSA or CSG or some crazy grading company I've never heard of. So CSG has a massive input the in that area.
Now, well, if you compare, if you compare TCG to the sports card world, if you look at vented, the way that CSG versus SGC goes with the TCG stuff is like how PSA and Beckett go from a vintage standpoint, they've been doing it longer, you know, that was their primary focus. In fact, they didn't do sports cards for a long time. You know, that's only within the last couple of years. So TCG was kind of their bread and butter when it comes to uh, you know,
card grading. Oh yeah, and that's so that's the reason that CSG is, you know, sells better than SGC when it comes to TCG cards. A lot of acronyms, we have a lot of acronyms were thrown. Yeah, I know, I know. So how do you think this is for JSA? Like I understand CSG wanting it. I totally get that. Like you get an authentication department, you get one of the top ones in
the world. But how do you think this is gonna affect JSA? Because JSA was always run In my opinion, I thought they were running one of the better authentication companies because they ran it with card shows and in person authentication, drop authentication stuff in mind. And I mean, you could be at a Hunter card table show and JSA is there no other companies doing that? JSA. That's where I thought they really had a leg up because I attend a lot of those shows. I see it, and they get a lot
of action at them. So do you do you think this is gonna change? Is JSA gonna change anything? Will they remain autonomous? From one another. They're gonna completely combine and JSA is gonna be no more. Like So, how do you see this playing out? So? I see I see it playing on a couple of different ways. I still see JSA doing that, doing all the shows, doing all the in personal authentication. They may, and I honestly think that they may keep the j s A name because
they have some weight within the hobby. They kind of have to. They kind of have to keep that. Yeah, but obviously they're gonna be doing JSA needed a company to be able to do slabs because they didn't have a way to slabtograph cards and autograph cultures and things like that. So that's important
for JSA to have that. I whether or not it's a completely separate operation and it's just the CSG label with you know, kind of how when Beckett had the partnership with JSA before they brought Steve on and started their own authentication division. I you know, it's probably going to be a CSG flip on the slab with the JSA logo, and I think it's going to be for authenticated items only. It's probably just going to be a JSA flip. But I don't really see much choice. I mean I could see a CSG flip
was simply on the back of it. Like how PSA has their logo twice, I could just see the SA logo right on the back. Have all the information on the front, you keep it well. I think it's important because even Beckett when they had the JSA partnership, the the JSA logo was on the front of So I think it's important to have I would put it
small. How PSA does the small and in the front. You don't want to have that two cluttered, you know what I mean, Like have that JSA kind of like the uh what the funny Mike Baker, Black Diamond, you know things. Yeah, Like that's like ye those lines if you're gonna do it. But it's gonna be interesting to see what they do because I
mean, like I said, this came out of left field. But we've been talking for a long time on this show now about how all these companies right now as the hobby goes into very very new territory and a lot bigger territory. And I'll touch on that in just a moment, Like we were gonna see consolidation of companies. We knew this was gonna come. We've been talking about this and telling people this was gonna happen for over like a year and a half, two years now, and now you're starting to see it.
You see the the PSA, SGC, you're seeing JSA, your CS and CSG come together. The consolidation effect is one happening, and it's continuing to happen, as I can guarantee you in the next two weeks or so, there's gonna be about two or three very very big stories that are gonna break as well that regard massive companies in this industry. So this is another
domino that's falling. As all of these dominoes seem to have hit that part where everything kind of goes into full swing, we're hitting that time and kind of related to that. I don't know if you've heard about this. I teased it in the green room on YouTube before the show, But there's been a lot of subtle little hints here and there, and I can confirm now that it is true. But Darren Ravelle has been doing a lot of little
hints. He's bought collectible girls Twitter, He's talked about how hobby journalism, hobby media, and things like that. He's been talking about how it needs a revolution all this type of stuff. Well, I can confirm right, he's right, No, he is right, he is right, He's right. There's I got on the thread last night and uh said, my piece on journalism in this hobby, being someone that has a journalism degree and with a fucking school for it, I did. There's a massive overhaul needed.
But I can confirm that Darren Ravel and a group of other people are starting a new venture that's going to be announced here in a couple of weeks. But what's interesting is at the same time, Tom Fish put out a photo the other day saying exciting things are coming with Kevin O'Leary, who's known from dealer, Uh shark tank, shark Tank, Yeah, thank you? So is he part of the revel thank Who knows? But you're what You've got
all that stuff coming up? Speaking of Kevin O'Leary, hold on. So maybe there's more to the than we think because uh shine, yes put out a picture kind of started it all off on a private jet with Kevin O'Leary. Yes, yeah, so is he and I kind of kicked it all off. Then Tom Fish did something Blowout. Now Darren Ravella is purchasing collectible girls and launching a new venture. A new venture will be announced and probably
through that account in some way, shape or form. But he is getting and putting skin in the game in the Hobby, which is very, very big for this A like, I don't think what his venture is yet, Darren's Darren's venture is probably strictly on the journalism side, I hope. I don't see him buying into you know, let's say, like Blowout or you know, a company like that, where so I think, I think what Darren's trying to do is just a guess is going to be strictly on the
media side of things. And Trip agrees because you can hear a moaning no I I that's what I said. Trip seems to think that Darren Revel is a good fit. I agree. I hope he does. But you know, they're They're My point of bringing it up with Darren Revel is coming into the Hobby in an actual you know, he's tweeted about it, he talks about it, but he's going to have skin in the game with a new venture coming. We've also got, like I said, some major announcements regarding
very big companies coming very very soon as well. So that consolidation effect, the JSA, c CSG just another part of a lot of dominoes that we're going to fault and uh in the coming weeks. It's not going to be long. A lot of this stuff is going to happen in the coming weeks two months because all this stuff, I guarantee you, is going to be very very fleshed out and organized by the national They have to have time to set that up. This stuff is going to drop. This is around the
time when this stuff starts to happen every year. Anyway, you're gonna see a lot more and uh, buckle up. It's gonna be fun. Yeah. Speaking of fun, Yeah, oh man, this is gonna be fun. So Top's Dynasty is coming out tomorrow, I believe yeah, And I guess what they did. We're talking about it already, so everybody knows what they did. So I'm just gonna come out and say it. Something stupid decided to like bleed that exclusive autographic Agreement dry and Wemby is getting an r
PA from when he threw out the first pitch of the Yankees game. And I don't like it. I absolutely hate it. I think it's so stupid because a the the funniest thing to me is the patches, the Spurs patch. So the patches at least for is it. I thought it looked like a PA's that's the Spurs number in that patch. Okay, now maybe if they show other ones, maybe it is the Yankees jersey, But that looked like a Spurs patch, and the mock up that that I have it looks
like the numbering on the back or front of their jersey. But they went as far as including the rookie card logo, getting that auto on card and getting a swatch in and finding some type of product to throw it in just
to get a wemby r PA out there. This to me is kind of like the Tom Brady thing, like okay, like no, no, no, no, no, no, wait wait hold on, not in that it's something cool and neat and awesome and different, but in their using it in a different an athlete in a different prop except that Tom Brady was actually drafted by the expos Right. No, no, I under that. I'm not saying the same thing. I'm I'm just comparing that that the fact that
they assover in the sports that they've been doing. I find it pathetic that they're doing this with Wemby just to get an RPA out there. And they're doing this because they're seeing the sales of Wemby cards because his lack of autos has we said helped his card market tremendously. Is I mean it also helps He's fucking amazing, but true, true, but his cards there you can see in the Panini's having no problem every basketball flying off the shelf secondary market
incredible. This is to me, this should have been a Tops Now type of thing. If you're gonna do it, yes, don't want this. Don't put this in a baseball product. And it's not what they needed it to sell the product exactly. This looks like a cheap way to just like, yeah, a shot in my opinion, and it's I don't like it. I am not a fan whatsoever. I think. I hope there's not a lot of them. I do think. What's really weird to me is the rookie card logo. Yeah, that's a logo they used. Even looks
more like Panini's than Tops does. Like because even when Panini did the George Costanza card in National Treasure yes, they didn't put a Rookie card logo on that, right, you know, it was just the George Castanza ru which is cool. I actually like that because it you know, but this one, well, I'm looking at it right now. This is essentially this is essentially a new rookie card logo that is so similar to Panini's and I've got
two to compare right here. Yeah, it's pathetic. They literally curved it a little bit more and added one angle on one side and that's it. But it looks it's a blatant ripoff of trying to have a a horizontal RPA, and I I think it's stupid. I think it's I think there were so many cool things you could have done with Wemby in the first pitch and
that type of stuff. You can include him in all this type of stuff that you want with that Yankees jersey on and I think it's cool, But this was this was the wrong move in my eyes, and trying to trick collectors into thinking that this is going to be viewed at as an RPA. I really hope that the overall market doesn't view it like that, because I don't know, it just feels it feels pathetic. Yeah, I agree, I agree, it feels pathetic. I agree that Daniel Rodriguez. Normally we
don't answer comments from the chat and I love it. It's in that case we should have my Jordan Cartero cover chip sign, I agree, or honestly, or a golf ball or something. Yeah, pick because it's just it's ridiculous. Now, maybe this is a sign of things to come. Maybe they're looking at doing a lot of crossover stuff. They got to we talked about how were they signing these guys just to hoard them or were they going
to use them? They haven't used them a ton, but when you do use them, you've got to put a little more tho audit into it. Like you said, this is a product that needs no help set none, no, none at all, none none. And you're throwing this in there just because what's on a couple thousand dollars boxes, I don't know, Absolutely ridiculous to me. I think it's it's pathetic. I hope they don't sell for a lot. I know they will, but you know, I'm curious
to see how this goes over with collectors. But the Rookie card logo was what was really shocking to me, and I wouldn't be surprised that Panini brings it up in court because is take a look at it very very closely. They tweet that to make it look like a flawless or something like that, or an a flawless or an NT or something horizontal. They tweak that. They tweet that logo purposefully to make it feel like that. And I Meani at this point can just add it to the list of lawsuits. Yes,
yeah, and I think they probably will, yep exactly. And on that note, because you know Anini going after fanatics for money, it looks likely in this case we could use some of that as well. So hand over the scratch. We're gonna take a break. We'll be right back, and we're back. Thanks for putting up with a break. Those of you that we're sticking around with this on the Twitter, you guys got some bonus content. You got to hear Drew talk about his feelings on Collectible Guru and Darren
Ravel. And I will say the feelings on Darren Revel were very, very positive from both of us. I was off with the dog while we were on break, so I only got a chance to pop in but go to YouTube, check it out, click that like and subscribe button down at the bottom, and you hear what we were listening to you or well, we were talking about while you guys were listening all those advertisements. Speaking of advertisements, Yes, I see this pop up in my Facebook all the freaking time,
and it's advertisements for Kurt's card Care. Yeah all right, so the reason I bring that up. They're not a sponsor. But it turns out that the Wemby Prism black shimmer and it looks like the Wemby Prism Black. Yeah. Before they were sent to PSA went through the Kurts Card Care treat Yeah, one got a ten, the other one got to know and it was publicized before. Fuck like seriously got all right now, before we go
any further, you just said this is the funniest part. My god, if you're going to go through what, I have a lot of feelings on this. I'm about to let loose on a lot of diff and stuff. But for fuck's sake, if you're gonna do it, don't announce it. You just don't say that type stuff. If you're that like, you don't publicize if you're gonna do it, I mean, if you're going to go behind like some of the stuff on Kurt's cardcare, what I want to explain
for people that don't know exactly what it is. It's multiple different tools, so it's not one thing. You can use his little kit in like twenty different ways for different things. So what exactly was used is what I want to know. That's what I would want to know because some of the stuff on there, I don't necessarily have a problem with clean with the idea of cleaning a card. PSA obviously came out said that they, you know, have a like don't say that, you know, they don't want it,
but they can't detect it. The stuff on Kirk's cardcare, Yeah, supposedly it disappears not on that once it's wiped, once it's juice, will I will say. Pete Steinberg from SGC came out with a statement a couple of weeks about card cleaning. Somebody had asked me about it, and he had He had basically said that if we can't detect it, then it's gonna get graded, and if they can detect a foreign substance on there, it will be graded accordingly. Yes, And I think that's how you need, and
I think that's where it goes. But I'm I'm looking at this from a different angle right now. Now. The there are areas of Kurt's cardcare kit that I have a big problem with, and that's the the parts where he's been like he's able to take away creases and all this type of stuff. Like that type of stuff is alteration beyond belief. It's no different than taking
those massive pressing machines and pressing. So I'm not in any way advocating for everything that he does on this, but I think we're at a time now where if these cards are I mean this, these are gonna sell for probably a million fucking dollars probably, or they're gonna sell for a lot of money. And it's getting to the point where a lot of sports cards and things
like this are considered modern art. If we go into that area and we want it to have the value and the sustained value of art, then certain things that are done in the art world may infiltrate into the hobby. In the art world. There's a difference between restoration, which we would call altering, and cleaning, which is perfectly fine. And so that's where I can I kind of see this going because it doesn't look like they can detect the
substance at least from this. If the substance truly isn't on there after it's been on there, if it's really gone and there's no remnants of it whatsoever. I don't have a problem with if there is any type of remnant on it, if it leaves any type of anything, yeah, any residue or anything like that. But but let me ask you this, there's a problem. So if you have a but if you have a card that is scratched, you know, which is clearly you know a problem with the chromium type
cards. Anything that fills in that scratch is technically residue. You're correct. But a lot of those that people think are scratches that get filled in or not actually scratches. That's part of the printing process. On top, they can simply be wiped off without a substance, right micro a nice nice jewelers cloth wipe a lot of chromium cards and get things that you think are scratches
off. So there's you know what I mean. And that's where I say is if there's no substance can be detected, if it's truly gone then, because if you're filling in something, it would have to have some type of residue. There can't fill something in and then disappear, so so you know, it would have to leave something. So if it leaves something, that's where I think there's an issue. And all the other stuff that comes in those kits I have a big problem with, well, like the creases.
The creases issue. Really that type of stuff is alteration because what you're really doing is it's basically adding moisture to the card and then allowing you to smooth out the crease, yes, and then it dries out. And he's also got the ones for the vintage. He's got the little poker for the edges and the corners where you can make an edge perfect again, all that stuff. Can't do that with the chromium stock cards, but you gain with your
vintage. Chances are all that was used on these Wemby's is a simple spread, the spray and wipe that he does, and maybe an edge cleaner tool. I don't know if he has that. I honestly don't get into that stuff, so I don't I'd never even look to all the stuff. I've just seen some of the videos. He may have some tool that works for chromium stocks stuff. But to me, I mean the Wemby looks centered. At least the black ten loook centered. Didn't really have a problem with it.
I mean, well, but then we probably the other. This is a whole other conversation on look, they're both one of they're both the black and the Black Shimmer one of one. Does it matter? Does it really matter what grade they get? It's not below like seven, That's what I really don't under even if it's below a seven. The rock one on one WW the grade six sold for a two million exactly doesn't matter. A one
of one grade doesn't fucking matter. It never does. People always say, oh, it's gonna kill it. No it doesn't, No, it doesn't. But now, but now both of these cards, both of these cards have that stigma attached to it from you know, with some people that you know it may be considered altered because you know it was you know, you know a chemical was used to to clean it, you know, to shine it up, and that you know, whether there's residue left behind or not.
There's some people that are gonna say, hey, look, I don't care if it's a ten. I don't care if the owns a nine. It's gonna be in my eyes. And I'm just saying me personally. I'm just saying from some people, like in their eyes it's altered. Yes, No, I agree. I totally agree. It's gonna be interesting to see how they sell. And I don't think it's gonna cause a problem whatsoever with
the buyers. I think these cards are gonna go on, and I think people probably forget about this here shortly because something else will come up with some rookie doing something stupid. But but like I said, a swap, Yeah, like like more Grady dig Jersey swap please, somebody put a whole list of ones to avoid. I know, I love God. That list was hilarious. Yeah, And to see I saw him this year a little put the comment He's like, why don't y'all want me to do that? Jersey?
Hey? Look, I give him. I give him credit for, uh, you know, for joining at the fun of that one. Now, if Panini really wanted to have some fun, give us an instant or you know, give us a Panini instant on that one, Like you have some fun, show a sense of humor. You aren't you know, like I don't know, but greedy dick, dude, I love it. I mean, dude, I mean we're talking about this draft class. Hell, look at gg over in Memphis. If you're not on the gg ban on
quick, dude, does a monster put up thirty last night? But yeah, so PSI and the card cleaning. I mean, when it comes to all this type of stuff, like I said, if it leaves the substance, I have a problem if it truly is something. Now Kurt, I will say, does have an actual background in this stuff. His father did it. It's a family business of art restoration where he came from, which is where he learned this stuff. So by all accounts, this could be
something in that that's commonly used in the art world. And it truly does disappear. And if that's the case, if you can't see it, I don't necessarily think that there is a problem with it. Well, well, now to some people, they're going to have a problem with it. Well no, but but hold on, you gotta you gotta think about this from
from the same point. It may not be, it may not leave a residue, it may not be detectable by with today's technology, but somebody may come up with a technology down the road that it can't it is detectable, and it is well, it does show it. So at that point, what happened, Well, like I said, if it's detectable, then they
need to be decertified, dem altered whatever. I mean, those guys got really lucky that PSA came out with the letter they did instead of decertifying those like going out when they put out that advertisement right there basically saying thank you for helping our card get a better grade KERTS card Care. They are very lucky those cards were not decertified right away because of how big they were.
I know PSA, I know how they work. I've talked to the reps about this since I They got lucky that PSA just was nice enough to put out an email on that or a statement on that instead of truly doing what they could have done, which would have you know, I don't know if it would have had an effect because it's a one on one, but who knows. Yeah, well, if it altered, then yes it would have
had an effect. But I mean they should have. They probably just could have just left it ungraded and it would have had the same effect as having a graded because it is that one of one. It's literally Wemby's biggest card of the year since he has no autographs, yes, which means he's not gonna have a you know, an auto one of one no r p A yeah, oh exactly, so that's going to be you know that, that's it right there. And they they took a big risk doing what they did.
I mean that's balls, man, that is balls. It is oh oh, it's balls, all right, speaking of that relations for the good grade. But we get Grady and balls to do a jersey swap would be a good one too, h Jersey swaps. That's what we need. We need just a whole insert line for jersey swaps next year and then just toss that one in there, you know, just that would actually be a cool it would It'd be awesome. I mean they take photos of all of them now, so obviously, so you know, I'd like to see it.
I think it'd be cool. I thought it was funny enough, but but yeah, and you know, and that you know, I mean, you know, the jerseys were extra largest. Sorry man, And on that note, I think it's probably time to wrap up this week's episode. So you know you know when they when they change the size from extra large or double X to magnum, you know that you know where that's gonna come from. Alright, well, guys, that's gonna wrap up episode and sixty. Let
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