It's time to talks forays. Sign for the show. You hear this song on the radio, tune in better rack pass, Let Me cats that photograph? Sports Talk Radio starting now. What's up everybody, and welcome to episode two hundred and ten of Let Me Get That Potograph. We are back. The holidays are over. Twenty twenty four is in effect, and we are kicking kicking it off right with a big episode for you guys. So glad to be back. We'll be back all year long now on vacations are over.
But as always, my name is Drew or the d H and joining me my awesome co host, mister Scott Rappaford. What's up there? What's going on Drew? Not too much, man, getting back in the swing of things. Just traveling like crazy and buying a lot of cards. It's not traveling like crazy and uh selling a lot of cards? Yes you did, Yes you did. Yeah, so I know exactly. So that was a that was a good time. But yeah, a lot of stuff. So check this out, man. So our buddy was over the house buying
some stuff and I get this email from Panini. Finally two cards that I sent in damage back in twenty twenty one, or maybe it was twenty twenty. I don't let me twenty twenty replaced. I know. Well, one of them came a couple of days later. It's this nice orange laser Antonio Gibson beautiful, which was the same which was the card that I sent in or have replaced damage, But it was cut on like an angles instead of being streamed down. It was like it was like that and the Yeah.
So the other one was another crappy top to bottom, but not too bad. No, no, no, no, this was fine. Like I if I if the one they sent me, if I'd pulled this out of a pack, I would not have complained. I wouldn't have sent it in. The other one was cut the same way, another crappy lineman rookie, and that one was sent separately. And we'll be back today or tomorrow. There you go. Yeah, so we got the same card back, you know, And they're I mean, guys, people have to understand this when
they send in for replacement. I see so many people in groups like Geo's room sports hard nonsense for a lot of new people in the room, a lot of people not familiar with the process, and so they say, oh, I sent in for a replacement two months ago, and I want to explain to people why they're so backed up. So many people back in twenty twenty one were sending in replacement cards every Zion, every JAW, all of those cards. Anything that was pulled that was eligible to be done that they
didn't think was perfect was sent back. So their backlog on this is like when PSA had the couple million card backlog, Like this is people were sending it to the point where they literally ran out of their extras for Zion and job yep. So I mean it, and a lot of cards that were sent in weren't even really eligible for replacements, right, that's the other thing. But there's another piece to that puzzle as well. So that was part of it. But the other part of it is they just don't have enough
people working in that department. Of course not you know, same thing with the redemptions. They don't have enough people. That's why some of these backlogs. And then you know, again redemption is another issue because sometimes they're waiting on athletes to sign and get them get stuff back to them, right, but there is no but there's like nobody there to fill the orders. No, there's no there's no to process at once. The athletes do sign it.
That's why you see a signing and you see one person get it, and then it takes three months for the others. They just don't have demand power to actually physically do that. But hey, at least you got some cards back that no, I know, he look, you know, I'm not you know, I mean, I really didn't care about these. They're you know, dollars two dollars cards. It's not a big right, you know. Hey, finally they're moved. Maybe some of these redemptions of it
too. So yeah, that's my exciting piece of the week. Very nice. Yeah, I had a good time at the Raleigh show. It was a very good show. I will say first show at twenty twenty four inside Pitch Promotions, their first show. Shout out to West and John and Katie at the new owners. They killed it. The Raleigh show was insane. They set records. There was over seven hundred kids and over fifteen hundred people that entered both nights. It was it was massive. So that was a
lot of fun, great show. I like seeing that. You know, at the beginning of twenty twenty four, this is when kids are going right back to school, some people still have family in town, you know, like it's not deep into the year, and yet a show can be that strong. And it was nasty out so barring terrible weather, all that amazing
show. But so what you're saying is what you're really saying is you know you didn't make the nine mile trek down to Durham to go to Kshak and get some solid barbecue when you were down there, right, Yes, I didn't, dude. You're missing out, dude, like I haven't had it. But anyway, anyway, guys, let's dive into Scott because we got a couple of pretty interesting topics today, my friend and one of them,
let's start with an update. A couple I guess months ago now, we mentioned on the show that lebron James had disappeared from Upper Decks Exclusive Athletes on their website, and obviously that's not a screw up on a website or anything like that. You don't mess that up. And he was taken away in multiple places. Well, then the rumors came out that Lebron and Bronny would be on the same card in bowmen U and all that, and Lebron was
coming to Fanatics. Well, after that happened, and after that news dropped, there was a lot of question of if he was actually going to sign or if this was a one off deal. Not meant much information was found out about that, whether Michael Rubin had gotten him to do one little thing, or if Lebron was a Fanatics athlete. Well, Tops put it out the other day, Fanatics put it out the other day. Lebron looking at a massive contract with probably a lot of zero's attached. Yeah, but he
is officially a Fanatics athlete now. And we had this confirmed, you know, at least a month ago. Yes, you know, when we talked about it, when he was you know, going in with Bowman, you and all that kind of stuff, we knew it was a question on on how involved he was going to be, right, and Tops kind of showed you right there with their first post. This is a lot more than I'm going to sign a couple of cards with my son. Like we're we're getting
a lot of Lebron. And I know, people like yourself that aren't fans could care less. But for the hobby, it's very interesting. For the basketball hobby, it's huge in terms of you're gonna be getting Lebron cards, tops, chromes, stuff could come back. There's reprint and all these other cool things that they could really do with Lebron. You've got literally almost twenty years of stuff that you can go through and use that you can't use before,
don't. I don't think that they can do reprints though until they have the NBA like, well, they can't, but they'll have that license. Well, no, that is true, so eventually you could see some reprints. That's what I'm saying. What they could do in the meantime is buy
back Audo. Yes, they could do buyback autos YEP, which I wouldn't put it past them to do. Imagine having a you know, Bowman you product and all of a sudden you pull a you know, you pull a buy back auto of Bowman Chrome, you know, Lebron Rookie on card auto. That would be kind of cool. Well, I also believe, and please anyone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm also I'm not. I know for a fact they can do the high school stuff, the Saint Vincent,
Saint Mary's, and I believe they can do Team USA. I'm nine percent sure they can do to us that I'm not entirely sure. I don't know who owns the license on Yeah, I think they can because I've seen USA jerseys and other products before. I'm not sure. Panini may have changed that with the latest you know, yeah, changes all the time. But you can do the Saint Vincent, Saint Mary's stuff, which has always been
highly collectible to begin with. But you also you get Lebron post retirement because a lot of people didn't realize that when Lebron hangs it up until this move happened. Once he was done, it's like Jordan, he's done. Like Panini would not be able to make or Tops would not have been able to make any Lebron James cards, would not be able to have him pictured anywhere on any card, licensed or not once he retired, if he remained at
Upper Deck. So this really changes the outlook of all Lebron cards in the future. This is a very big move that I I don't think a lot of people understand how big. I would agree now. The only question that I have is we know upper Deck pulled them pulled Lebron off of the exclusives list for their athletes. My question now is and we don't know the answer to this is is this deal with Fanatics an exclusive agreement or is he still going to be Is he going to be with both upper Deck and Fanatics.
Yeah, that's a good question because I'm sure he had some stuff he had to fulfill with upper Deck. He also was upper Deck memorabilia. All that type of stuff goes into play. So there's a lot more than just cards and things like that, you know. So yeah, it will be interesting to see and you know, yeah, it is one thing. You know, Yes, his son's coming into the league, and obviously that's something cool and something neat to do. As you know, a dad, I would
I would think that's awesome. I know Ted Graffy and Ken Griffy Junior probably love doing it, The Ripkens, all all of them. You know, it's been seen before. It's been done before, just not on this scale. But Top showed you yesterday and there's a lot of They didn't say it, but if you read between the lines at what they're saying, you look at the contract, and you look at how Tops promotes things on social media, they're telling you right now, this isn't just lebron and Bronnie. No,
No, it's much more than that, more than that. And because if it was just bron and Brownie, a Brownie would have been in that put b they would have been talking more about Bowman you and not about the future. They would be talking about the stuff that they're releasing right now, because I'll tell you right now, the brown and Brownie Junior stuff that's gonna last a year of major hype and then some of those cards are gonna be worth a lot of money. The others are going to be cool hits.
That's it. That's what's gonna happen. It always does. So TOPS told you yesterday. No, We've got a lot more in store for Lebron. Now. I do think you're gonna see in addition to the Bowman you you know, stuff we're probably gonna see with Bronni. I think once Fanatics gets the NBA license, assuming Bronni is in the NBA at that point, I think we are going to see dual autos in NBA uniforms of both Lebron and Bronni. Just a matter of you know what team are they going to?
What team? You know what? What picture are they going to use? With Lebron, I I could even see them doing some photoshop images of you know, you know, like a short print, you know, auto of like uh, you know Bronni with you know, his dad and a piggy, you know whatever, you know, on the court with him, you know, playing against him or maybe even playing with him, depending on what team Bronni goes to. There's a lot of things that they can do with
it once they get that license in a couple of years. So I don't I don't think that we're going to see the end of the Lebron Bronni duel autos with with both. No, I didn't mean the end. I just met, you know, after his first year. They're gonna stay or you know, or shelf life on that is, you know kind of where he was. Yeah. No, absolutely, And you know the other thing that this impact and we talked about it a little bit before and then we'll move
on because we've got a couple of really interesting topics today. But you know, all these lebron sales, all these massive sales of his huge cards. I mean, we just saw one surface at the very end of the year shine one point fifty of course, out of course, of course puts out the Lebron MJ Dual Logo Man Auto from Exquisite that was thought to be in
boxes still. So I mean, like those type of cards, all those cards and all those sales were all predicated on the fact that when he retired, he wasn't going to have anything because no one thought he was leaving up for deck. No one thought he was leaving up for deck during those sales. It wasn't even a consideration. Now, up up until a couple of months ago, there was no speculating to get now. But now, what is this going to do to his rookie market because the rookie autos were limited
the total number of actual licensed, fully licensed autos. I don't think it's limited it's going to do anything. I don't think it's gonna do anything with it because anything, you know, anything that's done, like as a buyback auto or a reprint auto or anything like that, it's still gonna be well known that it was signed after the fact. No, No, I mean, what does it do to those original rookie cards, like I want to see, Okay, I think I think there's still going to be valuable.
I don't think it's going to hurt the value at all. I think that. I think some cards that held a lot of money. Because of that fact, we'll see a slight dip. I don't think the chrome blacks, the refractors, the big cards, the big rookies, none of that stuff's going to take a hit. I do, however, see some of the lower end rookies and things like that take a little bit of a dit, and maybe some of this stuff that comes out after might end up surpassing it.
But we'll see one way or the other. Lebron with Tops sounds weird to say, but Lebron officially with Tops, he signed his contract, and uh, we'll keep you updated on everything that happened so far and anything that happens. Uh. I guess shoot, Bowman's Bowman you Best is coming out soon. So we're gonna get that Bron to the auto, that first one by Tops pretty soon. Yeah, it's coming yeah, get ready all right?
Speaking of boxes, yeah, uh, Prism football, Oh yes, I did talk about that for a few minutes here, because there's some some big cards that have already been pulled, yeah, which is not a shock. Usually there's you know, within a couple of days of release, there's usually some big stuff. Your boy Pooka. His Black Finite auto saw the light of day very early on and uh, the guy who pulled it through up in one of the Facebook groups asking thirty grand or best offer, and
it is sold. Yeah, we don't know what it's sold for. I know, you know, you talk about it for the show. I'm going to guess and I'll I'm pretty sure it's going to be around the I'd say it between twenty two and twenty five, Okay, I mean it's it's reasonable first pro Uni auto. Yeah, and it's and it's a prison black Finite, which we all know, you know, carry is an extraordinary amount of value compared to other one of ones you know that that hit the market at
different times from different products. So, but it seems like there's a lot of stuff. I know, the first off the line black C J. Stroud got pulled, Yes it did, but we still haven't seen the Black Finite from him yet. We know we're not going to see autos from him in there either. No, And that's been interesting because you know, I think Puka, for example, I think that card sold for that much money. One of the reasons it did is granted, he had an insane season
for records, but there's no quarterback autos outside of Anthony Richardson. There's him and Bjeon Robinson to chase in autos, and so I think I think that had a little bit to help to do with it personally. I'm actually I don't know how much that is, especially with Prism, because again, Prism
has never really been about the autos. No, but when you're dying, when you're dying for autos these players and they're in nothing, and then you get these big release, Prism being the first big release that obviously you know they're not in, it does take a toll. Go take go, take a look at Herbert Mahomes, some of the last couple guys that have you know, Burrow, people like that Philly Prison autos. They hold value. You know, it's not all about them. I'm not saying. I'm not
saying they don't hold value. It's just the you know, there's other products where it really is about the audit contenders, Optic all that treasure you know, and tea and you know and stuff like that. You know, the traditionally the Prism release has just been about the color, the numbered color. The silvers have held a ton of value what you're seeing with the lack of those autos, you're seeing those colors and those numbers of those quarterbacks that we're
talking about their skyrocketing. Those cards are worth so much money. And that's what I love is non audit cards. Getting that love. Prism always reminds you of that. No, I agree. Now, here's here's my question, and this is what we haven't I haven't seen a ton of it lately. But usually you know, cards like that one on one Puka come from Breaker. Yeah, and you know there's always anytime a big product drops like this, you know, you get guys like like Backyard and you know,
stuff like that. They're they're always accused of opening loaded boxes. Yes, I haven't seen a ton of that with the Breakers and Prism. No, this year I have. I have not seen much of that at all.
Obviously, big burgers pulling big stuff is going to happen. I mean it's I mean, well, they're just the quantity and how the scale, which is different than what you and I opened when we you know, grab a box off the shelf, right, and so like I'm saying that I've seen Breakers pull some big stuff, but not to the extent that we saw last year. I have seen some interesting packs. It seems like there's a couple. There's a couple quote unquote god packs that have been opened so far that
I have two. One of one's in them. Two black finites in the pack. Yeah, two black finites most of the time. They're the two that I saw. One was Party and Brett fav together. Now that one actually that one's actually being accused of being resealed, even though I don't think it is. It was a Brett Favre insert and then a Party. The
other one was another insert and then a rookie. I don't know who it was, but I've seen two packs so far are But you mentioned loaded boxes, and while it isn't necessarily on PRISM, there is quite a bit of chatter and I don't want to go through too much of it right now because I want to get all the facts before we discuss everything, because everyone knows
we don't have to ask when we want to talk about stuff. Right there is a lot of chatter and a lot of stuff coming out right now about certain people in this industry possibly getting loaded boxes right now, and you from some of the stuff I've seen, I tend to err on the side of believing it, and from what I've seen, I tend to see I tend to believe it in a way as well. But I'd like all the information
to come out. But in terms of prism, no, I haven't seen any latent sports cards opening up five one on ones, and there are all the time guys, you know, I haven't seen any of that this year. I also think you's only nine days old, man. Yeah, I know, all right, so a third of the pros Yeah, no, exactly, but no, it's look, here's the thing. You know, we mentioned it before, we mentioned Look, the uh, there is a higher probability that the breakers are going to pull bigger hits, of course,
solely because they are opening such a large quantity of the product. Right, It's got nothing to do well in theory before what you were talking about a minute ago. Uh, you know before, it's a little different on that end, exactly right. Once, you know, once we have more information on it, we'll talk about that. But you know, prior to that, let's assume that that you know, let's assume that hasn't happened yet or anything like that. What we know is that breakers get accused of ripping loaded
boxes and things like that. So far there has been no evidence that they do. But again it's a quantity based thing. You whip that much, you are bound to hit. I think that's where even the new people that you know into the whole backyard thing and all this stuff, because if you notice, remember how they had that thing where it was like, okay, the odds of them pulling these four cards were just so stupidly astronomical. Well, okay, guys, what's happened since then? You can't do that post
again? Right, So now let's add all these months where they didn't hit all these massive cards. Let's put that into the data, and then let's you know what I mean, Like it's so one sided to like bash a lot of breakers. That's what a lot of people were doing. They were trying to do that to put other breakers down, put breakers that they didn't like down. Backyard breaks was bashed when they came out, brash when they came out. They did all this stuff, They bashed other breakers. They
did all this was not a fan but they weren't doing anything wrong. They just opened a shitload of stuff and they got lucky. It Literally, the guy said it was akin to hitting the lottery. Okay, they hit the lottery, then someone in all all the boxes that all the breakers open one breaker. Eventually he's going to hit the lockery and have a crazy run. And speaking of speaking of crazy runs and hitting the lottery, Yeah, twenty twenty three Bowman Draft has been out for what a month now? Yeah,
we still haven't seen that gold tom Brady auto exactly. No, we've seen plenty of other gold tom Brady autos, but not number two. It wasn't opened by your favorite influencer on their preview box. It wasn't opened up on your favorite influencer to hate, I should say, yeah, the preview box. It wasn't opened up by that breaker that you can't stand that. You think it's loaded boxes. No, it's out there in the ether, yeah, as well as the other and since twelve to twenty five isn't out there
either. Super Fractor got hit quickly. Yeah, but I think people have finally just caught on. I think people have finally just caught on. And if they haven't, the last five minutes a show and maybe you will catch on that the stuff was bullshit. All that up was bullshit. People wanting to complain, and a lot of new people that just didn't understand things and didn't want to understand things because it was when Whatnot came out, when Luke
came out, new Breakers coming up, everything was changing. Shocker. A lot of people don't like change. No, that's true. And then then you got everybody you know, and don't get me wrong, every platform has their scammers. You know, you have had a ton of them that happened to live on Whatnot. And now all of a sudden, because one guy is a scammer who's on there, now, all of a sudden, everybody's a scammer who's on there, which isn't the case. You know, people
are blowing it all out the purpose. Look, one guy gets caught scamming, fine, don't don't work with that guy. I get that. And if it's a pro athlete sending the Panthers way, we'll sign him exactly. And it's look, it's just just that way. It is. Yeah. So but yeah, no, a lot of I mean, look, there's a lot of shit. Shit going on. But speaking of shady ship, let's take a break really quick here, and when we come back, we're going to be talking about so really, really shady fit. Yeah, this
is this is fun. Yeah. So, uh, a couple of weird ones coming up, so stay tuned. Yeah, I gotta go pay that HVAC guy. We're gonna add an extra couple of commercials in here, and we'll be back right after that. And we are back for putting up with advertisements. And uh, before the break, we talked a little bit about now, well we teased it a little bit. Yeah, there's some shady shit going on lately in the Hut. There's some shit. Yeah, I
mean there's always shady shit going well, but it's public. I know this is public. So we got we got two things that that popped up. One of them popped up a while ago, but just recently popped up again. And that was a great sec recently graded a twenty twenty one Bowman draft James Wood Gold Refractor Auto. Yes, and James Wood wasn't in that product. James Wood was in the twenty twenty two product. Now what we know
is that he was supposed to be in twenty twenty one Bowman. Yeah, they had him sign the cards and then they made a change and said, screw, We're gonna wait till twenty twenty two. So supposedly all of those autos from twenty twenty one got destroyed except the proposed Yeah, so I'm a fault in sec for great in the card because it's a legit card. It's exactly what it is. But obviously this is another back door situation. Yeah, as a gold at A fifty popped up. Yeah, and how you
know again this is probably backdoor a couple of years ago. Yeah, so one, why is it popping up now? And you know two? If one was back door, where's the rest? And who did it? Yeah? Well no, there's there's a million questions and look, okay, so so in terms of like why put it out now? I think you put it out now because a it was in twenty twenty one where a couple of years removed from it, So not as many people are looking out of sight
out it mind. A lot of people also forget well about this, Well a lot of that's true, forget about this, and a ton of people had no freaking clue of what we're talking about. That he had cards that
were destroyed. Now, as it pertains to this particular card, supposedly right, the person who graded it, who sent it in was picked it up as part of a large collection that they bought, and it was in there, yes, except for except for now that doesn't mean anything, no, because the person that pulled it, when posting it says that they pack pulled it from twenty twenty one supposedly. So there's there's conflicting stories on where this
came from. And that's why what I was saying is to answer some of those questions that you have. I think that this person has quite a bit more. I would not be surprised to see another one pop up, and I'd say they're going to give it at least a month to to let it die down. I would not be surprised to see these sold on show floors as opposed to auction houses things like that, private sales pieces of blots. But I think this person was able to backdoor. I mean, we saw
what happened this year with the player reps that sign stuff. They took entire runs. Now in they're in that situation. That was a little bit different because those guys were stupid and decided to put them different. But when I'm sing no, no, no, no, no, I mean when I say different, I mean the guys that stole those were dumb enough to put them up for sale prior to the product. There's a million, there's a million things that are completely different and capable of how dumb these people are.
But I think that all I'm saying is that this is this shows you that entire runs can be taken, you know what I mean, Like this stuff can easily happen. And so I think he has more of these. James Wood is kind of you know, he's he's gonna be one of the hot rookies here very soon, you know, Like, so this is the time you would want his stuff more. And so I think this person was smart enough of a thief to say, don't put him out immediately when everyone's chasing
the first bowman. Wait a couple of years. Put it out when he's almost to the big leagues. When that hype ramps up again after it dips like it always does, starts off high dipped a little bit, they're about to get called up boom yep. It's so kind of it. It's not ironic to me that this is put out right now, And so I think he's got more. I would not be surprised if Moore ended up getting graded, because, like you said, why would any grading company not grade it?
Unlus Top specifically told them not to, which I know they don't, and so I do expect to see more of these, But this, this is pretty crazy and another another issue of chain of command when it comes to this autograph cards. Look, he want us to pay so much for these boxes. You want these cards to be worth so much fucking money. You want everything in this industry to be so great. What Well, let me
let me ask you this. So, prior to these showing up, it's you know, obviously been assumed that his first Bowman autos were in right, and the value of those was set by the market as such. Yeah, now that these have popped up and they are technically twenty twenty one's, which is the earlier card, what does that do to the value of the twenty two that were released in the pack? Right now? To Bowman collectors, I think it's going to be the packs because pack called stuff like that means
from everything collectors, Yeah, like that that's everything to them. By backs don't matter. All that stuff doesn't matter. Pack cold matters. So for the Bowman crew, I can die hards and there's billions of them. I could easily see them saying that this card's bullshit. And honestly, I don't think it's going to have an effect on the twenty twenty two is because A, I don't think we're gonna see a lot of these twenty twenty ones come out. I think there might only end up being two or three, maybe
four of them something like that. You know, maybe he is dumb enough to put out an entire run, and maybe he does have tons of colors, and maybe we do end up seeing a shitload of these cards. But A, I don't believe the pack pulled part one bit. I do not think this card was pulled out of a pack. No, I don't think so either all because if one slipped through, then multiple would have slipped through. And we've never seen one so and no one's come out and said,
hey, I have another. So I think this was his first attempt to get it a gold one of the most coveted that's not super out there on the marketplace, and see if he can push it through and see if anyone would notice it. Unfortunately for him, someone did, But you know, yeah, don't I don't think it's going to have a major effect on his is first because I don't consider this his first boneman. I'm looking at the picture now of the gold I do not consider what SGC graded to be a
legit card by them. Yes, it's got all the markings and yes, on the back it probably even says this is certified autograph all that stuff by TOPS, and it's got all the copyright and all that stuff. No, this is a backdoor card that should not exist. Correct that they were supposedly all destroyed. Yeah, now that's the big issue. And that's another thing that we've talked so many times, how many times this year, Almost every big release there's been some type of big fuck up when it comes to the
printing, the pack out, the auto something. And yet here we are again with stuff going back to twenty twenty one now, and it's just this, this is a separate This is a separate issue because this isn't an issue with the packout, This issue with the This was the way it is because they had to destroy it, well they had to destroy it, but they were were in packs, so it's not like they were duplicated like the superfractors from Bohm and Chrome, where you know, this is more akin to the
guys who stole the cards from the signings. Yes, that should have made it into packs, but didn't. Because that's my point, like, there's major problems with the chain of command in these companies, but it's not. And I'm glad you said companies because it's not just top slash fanatics. Nope, no, no, no, no, no no, that's what this segments so much fun to talk about. So Spectra Basketball, I love it.
Mark Jackson, Mark Jackson, Murky Mark. What is it with Mark Jackson cards and being infu Now we had another one, I know that now killer in this one. Yeah, I was gonna say that the Menendez brothers are not picked in this one. However, what is pictured in this one as an autograph that doesn't belong to him? Oh my god. Now Spectra Sticker Autos and somebody, somebody who pulled it, you know, posted the picture up and said, hey, this does not look like Mark Jackson's auto.
I have no idea who signed it, but it's not Mark Jackson. And guess who replied to that post, mister Mark Jackson, Mark Jackson himself. And it was a one word reply. It just said nope, nope, yeah, and that was it. Yeah. So obviously we know that in the past they're signatures on stickers by people that were not actually the person that was supposedly signed, and on card ones too. Yeah, we had the the Arosa Rain Austin Meadows du Alatto, we have the Woody and Buzz
light Year toy story, duel Atto probably sign employee. I guarantee you that Woody and Buzz did not sign that card. Still trying to figure that one out, but now we have Yeah, so now it's not like it's Mark Jackson. It's hard to get a hold of it's actually Leaf. Leaf had a problem last year with one of the players, but that that seemed to be more of a you know, one of the players representatives signed off on it and didn't tell the player and then proceeded to forge the autographs on those.
So I'm sorry. I wasn't a player. As an actor, I was the game played Jason from the Visional Friday thirteen. But this kind of stuff is popping up, and how did this passed quality assurance is beyond me. Well, and also what's really scary is that there's sticker autos, so someone's obviously forging Mark Jackson auto and Mark Jackson coming out and saying nope as
a one word reply, Yeah, if this was him or not? Pretty much is him saying I didn't sign this and I didn't have anybody sign it, because he wouldn't have answered had he said, Hey, Couz, come here, I'll pay you to sign this, because then who's gonna get caught and who's gonna get the blame, who's gonna get the exactly Mark Jackson. So if he he's going to come out and respond publicly immediately and just say
nope, that means he has nothing to worry about in his mind. I'm ever even investigating or thinking that he was the one that signed this, which which also which also probably means that the rest of the Mark Jackson autos that are in that product are not real either. Well, I'd have to go through and look more, because I mean, it's plain as day to see
which ones are his and which ones aren't. His signatures stayed the same for a long time and it's very simple, and for some reason these people tried to make it I don't know, really crazy. But we've got someone now, we were just talking about someone. You know. The chain of command
on holding cards and how you can backdoor and things like that. Now we've got to worry about the chain of command of fucking stickers of Mark Jackson, like someone is legitimately forging these autos and getting them onto stickers, and the vetting of it these employees. Now, granted, a lot of these employees have worked for each other and everything else. But Mark Rubin want to make this massive. You know, he wants to Hobby to ten x or whatever,
one hundred x whatever his stuff was. Yeah, to do that, you have to literally start from the ground floor in my opinion, right now, and you have to change and you have to upgrade everything when it comes to the chain of command from the time that card is designed on a computer to the time it walks out. Because whether it's tops, Panini, Leaf, any of them, they're all having massive, massive problems. And I have a feeling they know who these people are. I have a feeling these
people get fired quietly. I have a feeling they think that, you know, we've taken it up the ass for so long, and why not, we'll just deal with it again. But there comes a time where the Hobby needs to say, all right, guys, like one or a couple of mistakes a year or something like that. Yeah, we get, but like I just said earlier, with one company, every big release had a major issue, and then you come over to another company and they've had countless issues
this year as well. This is not something that should be accepted in any way, shape or form, and in most other hobbies and most other collectibles in most other industries would not be acceptable. No, what gets me.
What gets me is that as time goes on, the technology gets better and better that is supposedly going to be there to prevent things like this from happening, right, But what we're seeing now is the exact opposite, and that things like this are happening more often yep than when we had crappy technology that provide oversight, you know, and things like that. So why, right, why why are we not using the the things that we have at our
disposal to make things better? And why are we seeing all of these massive mistakes come out? You know, when we are at a point technologically as a society that we have the tools to prevent this shit from happening. Yeah. No, And the Mark Jackson went honestly is just so funny to me, because no one in their right mind would have cared if okay, let's say the cards at a like thirty five, if they only got thirty four stickers back, and so there was an asterisk and said Mark Jackson only thirty
four of this parallel. No one would give a shit. They do that all they do that all the time. Yeah, Instead, we're forging things. Now, we're forging stickers like and once again, like I said, normally I would say, okay, he had a buddy Doe. No, no, no, no, no, not no, Mark Jackson. I don't think in any way, shape or form, because, like I said, you don't answer like that. Being a public figure that Mark Jackson is, you do not provide that answer because if you have any reason to think
that, they would look into you and possibly figure something out. So, yeah, this isn't This isn't the same as like when Joe Montana used to have his wife sign all of his autographs. Right, this is different because he would never I mean, he would never run up to that because you know he was complicit in it. But you know him coming out and saying, no, there's no way I did not sign that. There's zero shows you're right there and they're now forging stickers yeah. Well the question is who
is forging? Well, yeah, you know, but that's it. That's another that's about to say. We'd run out of time before I could get into that. I know so, but uh, speaking of time, yeah, I think it's a good time to rep rep things up for the word probably yeah. Uh once again, guys, Mark Jackson if you haven't seen it, checked out the Mark Jackson card and check out those James Woods or James Wood and uh be on the lookout for any more of those if you
see him, let us know. We'll keep you guys updated. But a lot of really interesting stuff happening in the hobby to kick off twenty twenty four. Twenty twenty three was crazy, but twenty twenty four is starting off pretty wild itself, and we will have a special beginning of the years show here very soon. We'll do a live episode, have some special guests and everything on here very soon, so be on the lookout for that. We'll let
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depending on what you wanted to hear. There's that one that you teased earlier in the show. We'll get some more information on that as it comes out and get you the whole story and then you guys don't know what we're talking about. Yep. But until then, yeah, keep ripping those packs, pulling those hits. We'll talk to you then. These guys