It's time to talks for its time for the show. You hear this song on the radio, better raps fast? Let Me get that Potograph? Sports Talk Radio starting now What's Up Everybody and welcomed episode one hundred and eighty eight of Let Me Get That Potograph? As always, my name is Drew or the DH and joining me my co host mister Scott Rapp before What's good? Dude? You know, the usual, same shiit, same shit, different day. But you know what I love? You know what I love about
this? What's that? We got a lot of We got a lot of news that in Stories of Pop this week that we're gonna be talking about coming up in this episode. But you know it is well, you know what, I just got ahead of myself because I was gonna say that there's no there were no scandals this week, but there is one semi scan do what's that? Um? We'll be talking about that in the second segment. There we go. Um, I wouldn't call it a full blown wouldn't call it
a full blown scandal. You know, nobody's with guns, nobody's going bankrupt during Knocking down the Ball, Yeah, no no break insh nobody's blaming Trump for anything, which is very good. Nobody's blaming me for anything. That's great, it's excellent. Well, it's a business related decision and move. So we'll, you know, we'll get to that. It is scandal light, scandal light. I like scandal light. It's like yo or diet scandal. Yeah. If I'm you know what, if I'm making a soft drink,
I'm making a diet scandal. There you go. And we're just not putting super Loose in there because well of what all that crap. If you we're not gonna you know, just google that and uh find out it's been She'll tell you all about it. Yeah, exactly, super lows bad news. So but I'll tell you that's what make the that's what makes the McDonald's diet coke taste better than any other diet coke. It's the supers. Stay away from that ship bad bad news. Well there's your PSA to start today.
Yeah, exactly, there's my stay away. Stay away from circul loose. You know, it's it's not good for you. There you go. Not that regular sugar is anyway. I mean, I'm I'm the fat guy on the show. It's just kind of the way it's kind of the way it is. Hey, look, I'm trying to be a trophy husband. There you go, right now, it just happening. I am a trophy husband right now. It's just a participation trophy. Um, so we're just gonna leave it at that. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, not
first place, it's just you know, participation. Well somebody who didn't get a participation trophy, but just gotta it's about to get a whole lot of money. I guess we need to start off there. Um, huge move man. We talked about soccer on last week's show and the soccer market. We talked about Benzema going over to Saudi and my god, did they pay that man? And that was yeah, that was finalized the other day. First was a six over six hundred million dollars for a three year contract.
Yeah. That oil money works great, man. I know it cranks it, don't you know. And the funny like like we're all laughing about this, you and I in the in the text message yesterday with you know, the next peat the next big news that happened like literally hours after that, you know, And my comment on that was the Saudis wiped their asses one hundred dollar bills, so they really don't care about, you know, just blowing it on all sorts of crap like this. No, not at but
one person. They couldn't get one person that money. They could not pull away even though there was a staggering. The numbers that they pulled out were ridiculous. I don't know if any had been confirmed or anything, but they were planning on offering a man a lot of money, but instead he is heading state side to the MLS and Miami. And that of course is the man. Me me, me, oh, wait all, I'm sorry,
Messy, my bad, you know, I bad. I was just gonna make an announcement that, like I was gonna go take my talents to South Beach and you know, play goal for interim Alan, but is not happening, No, Leonel Messi to Inner Milan. And this is actually the most interesting deal out of all this, and we'll talk about how it relates to the hobby shortly. But so not only is the team paying him, but he's also got money coming in as part of his deal to come over here.
And then now we should preface it has not been signed yet. No, but Messi did come out and say that this is where I'm going. So now you know, everything that we talk about is subject to change until he signs that contract, right, But so what what is going on? So he's getting a salary from the team, which mL look, MLS teams don't. They're not, you know, flush with cash like the European teams are. And I think that's part of the reason why referees get paid so
little in the MLS compared to everywhere else. But part of the deal for him coming over here is increased sponsorship with Adidas. He has a he's getting a partial ownership in a team which is not being subsidized by the league. Nope, this is the team saying hey, here's your you know, once you retire, you get like x percent of inter Milan or sorry not inter Milan, inter Miami. Um inter Milan is playing a couple of days in the Champions League finals. Said, that's where I was started that And this
is the really interesting part. This is the one I love. This is the one I love. So Apple TV has the streaming rights for MLS. Part of the deal is that MESSI is going to be getting a cut of all the new subscribers who buy into MLS's streaming package. Yeah, from the debt, from the second that deal is signed, any new subscribers that are done, he is getting a percentage of That's that's nuts, dude, that I don't I don't think that has ever been done, No, in any
league, with any with anything. No, he's gonna make so much more off of that in the Adidas and Hip Guild, and he is off his actual contract. The back end side of this. People are gonna look at the money when it's finalized, and it's gonna be big money. Miami does have a little more money than most MLS teams with their ownership. I mean, they've got the bank roll to spend it. They want to call him
the Yankees or anything, but they've got the bank roll. But he's gonna make so much more off of that Apple TV and off of the Adidas deal. I mean, if you saw yesterday you and I were discussing in text, and I'm sure people have seen the photos. Tickets to games that are nineteen dollars are going for over see you you stole mine and the reason so I was looking at Chicago Fire tickets because I would love to take my son to go see Messy play in person. Yeah, inter Milan is coming to
Chicago October fourth, and I was looking at the previous game. I think there's an international break in there somewhere. But the previous game, which I think is August thirtieth, the same seats we sat in a couple of weeks ago were nineteen dollars, and these were actually they're right on the tunnel where players come out, you know, section one other one oh five great seats like you're on a corner or a great view of the field. The same
seats for the August thirtieth game nineteen dollars. But those seats for the game against inter Milan on October fourth, they're up to a thousand dollars. Yes, you know that is absolutely insane. Oh I know, man, I went to you know, we don't have a team here in North Carolina. We've got at lanted down close and we got yeah, you know and everything. So I quickly went over and looked at those tickets and then quickly hit the Xbox next to my window and decided that me and Jude would watch him
on TV instead. Exactly, you know who's you know who else besides MESSI is gonna make bank on all this. Who's that people who have held season tickets for inter Milan. Oh god, I'm sorry, inter Miami. I want to count how many times you mess that up? I guess that's two. That's two we're gonna get. If we were doing video, you'd put
a counter at the bottom of this year. So season ticket holders for inter Miami who got him at the beginning of the year, Because honestly, if you look at the look at there were four realistic options for Messi after he left PSG Yeah, go back to Barsa, yeah, go to Saudi Arabia, retire and Miami Ye. There was no other option besides inter Miami with
the MLS. And of those four options, I actually, if you would ask me thirty days ago, what I thought like the most likely was versus the least likely my number four, The last option on the list that I would have put would be the move to inter Miami. Oh no, I completely agree with you. I mean, there's never I mean, when David
Beckham came over, it was a big deal. But this that David Beckham's got nothing on MESSI like, this is this is the biggest I mean, I don't even know how this would be like if Michael Jordan had just decided to go play over in Europe in the middle of his career. Is that has stopping and play in baseball for a little bit. This is enormous. This is and here's what I say. Messi coming to play in the MLS
is the biggest name to come to American soccer since Pile. Yes, and I would argue, and I think ESPN mentioned this in one of the articles yesterday they were they were arguing that Messi coming here is actually bigger for American soccer than Pale coming here because of social media and the interconnectedness that we all
have that you did not have in the seventies. And I agree with that because you're because now, I mean back, if this way, if you swap positions in Pile came now, obviously it'd be you know, it'd be a little different. But yes, you have all of the different methods, A for MLS to monetize everything, for people to be able to see everything with social media, the overall just where we are in the world. Oh
absolutely, I would. I would say this is the biggest move for the United States in terms of soccer football, whatever you'd like to call it that we have ever seen, and I I'm very curious to see how this plays out in the hobby because I already know the increase in the amount of attention on MLS games is going to be second to nine. I wouldn't I would expect more announcements with televised games, more big games coming outside of just the
Apple TV streaming. I think that I think you're probably gonna see that soon as every well, I don't know, but that's the thing, so I don't know what the outside of Chicago. I have no idea what the television deals are with any of the other teams, but the Chicago Fire games are all televised here in Chicago, right, I'm saying, expect a lot of like major networks no these games. No, No, I don't think so.
Because Apple TV has the streaming rights, yeah, I don't think that you wind up seeing It's not like it's not like a deal where if it were on you know, if Disney Plus had the streaming rights, right, yeah, where you'd be seeing you'd be seeing these games on ESPN or ABC yeah yeah, or you know, Hulu is tied in with NBC in a lot of ways where you know you might see games on either NBC or USA.
I don't think with Apple having those stream eret, so you're going to see it anywhere other than Apple. Well, it'll be interesting to watch. But let's take let's take it from the hobby. Well, that's it, and that's where I was just about to go with this. All right, So Tops, who has been making Messi cards for a long time as part of Champions League ye products, They're obviously ecstatic because they don't have to share
MLS products with anybody. Nope, here's my question. Now, we know that Messi is not going to be able to sign that new contract until after his contract with PSG runs out, which is July thirtieth. We had a product that we mentioned when we did the release calendar last week that was a was not assigned to hard date in June, it was a TBD date and
that was Tops MLS Renaissance and that's fat nice, high end products. Yes, now, I'm pretty sure that at this point in June, if it was scheduled for release, that product is most likely packed out and ready to go. I'd be unpacking the boxes. And that's that's where I would go with that. Does fanatics delay the product in order to insert some messy stuff, and it would have to be redemptions. Oh yeah, yeah, it would have to be redemptions because of it. Now here's the other question.
I don't remember seeing messy autos in the Champions League products. I remember seeing Himbope, Naymar was definitely was definitely in there, but I don't remember MESSI. I'm gonna have to look that up to see if he has a deal, because if he had, if he has an existing deal with Tops for autographs, I would not doubt that we would see them in the MLS products. Right. However, if he does not have an autograph deal, we may not see autographs. That's true. Although here's the other piece. Fanatics
is based in Florida. Yep, inner Miami is based in where Miami there? Well, I was gonna say Florida having that, having Fanatics with relatively close geographic access to MESSI I think, you know, if they can strike some sort of deal, I think you're gonna wind it. If they don't have one already, I think you're going to see a flood of autograph balls, autograph boots, which is what they call cleats. You know, the
soccer shoes. In Europe they call them boots and then obviously cards. So if you're fanatics and you and you have a deal with MESSI already, do you pull that product? I don't. I don't know there necessarily pull it because, like we said, it's a very very low printed product. I remember saying, I think none of the cards were over like like one forty nine or something total. It's a very very low print run, high release
product. I wouldn't be surprised if they did very similar to what they did when F one caught storm a while back with Dynasty, when they released two in the same year. They just released one around this time, around June, and they released another one around December, November December, so well. But I think part of that one, I think part of that hold on. Part of that though, was not because it caught on. I think part of it was the first release was twenty twenty, right, but it
was released in twenty twenty one. I think the second release in December, which was the twenty twenty one or twenty twenty one product, was catching up. Not I released it within that year, So I think that's that's a different situation. This is a brand new company and a brand new distribution, brand new release everything. We don't know how they're going to handle all of this stuff. They very easily could pull this product, hold it off till
Messies dine. I don't see them doing that for some reason. I don't. I just I just noticed something though. I don't think they hold this. I think they released it on time because it is twenty twenty two Tops MLS. It's are in the twenty twenty three they I don't think they can justify putting him in a twenty twenty two product. But what I don't see on the release calendar, because it usually is a later season release, is Tops and Tops Chrome MLI right, And they may do it where you know,
they may release. If this product does well, they may release, you know, more of it. But my you know, obviously Messy being the product is going to be huge for the products that he's in. Yeah, but just the fact that he's in MLS is going to draw eyes on a lot of the especially the younger players that you know are have had rookie cards within the last couple of years, you know, in addition to the guys that have already moved over to Europe, like Brennan Aronson and you know,
and the you know and that in that crowd. But then does that also encourage people to stay in the US to play as opposed to you know, obviously the big goal is to you know, start or maybe start off in the MLS and then you go, you know, you go over to Europe and playing the Premier League, La Liga or Bundesliga. You know, it's a popular destination for a lot of these guys. You know, does it does it make the you know, help with the MLS and the popularity
and then being able to stay here. That's something that I'm curious to see because there's so many good players like Claudio Rainia and some other players that you know, Geo, Geo m Claudia. Claudio's his father who's kind of a prick and caused the whole problem with the world came in the World Cup and things. Geo he's there. We've got a ton of up and coming rookies that are playing in the MLS that also you know, are trying to contend
for the US men's national team. A lot of other stuff like that. I see this, I mean, it really is going to determine what messy do we get Are we going to get the messy that is determined to play, that is playing at the PSG level where he'd played amazing, even though I mean, look, look, he put up decent numbers, but I wouldn't call I wouldn't call it him amazing. Thirty four goals, thirty five assists in seventy some games, okay, almost appointed game. Not bad.
Now keep in mind though, now we we in the US, we are used to counting assists very highly, you know, we do it, and hockey accounts it points wise the same as a goal. But in soccer, look a sister. Valuable players do you know who have a lot of assists? You know, Kevin de Brune, biggest cist guy, not as prolific
of a scorer, but he's playing his part. Messy. On the other hand, even though he's got a crapload of assists, you're looking to him for goals, of course you are, so thirty five seventy some games is actually low for him. But you also got to keep in mind that he was playing on a team with you know, Embope and Nay, and he was suspended for a little while. You know, a lot of issues that he was injured for a little while. He you know, took some time
off after the World Cup. But I'm really curious to see a like you said, the guy's not wanting to leave the MLS. Yeah, I'm wondering if more international players start. Is this the move that starts to make maybe some other international players well, speaking of other hold on, speaking of other international players. A former Barsity teammate of Messi, Sergio Biscuits, is also linked to a potential move to inter Milan. The two are you know,
the two are very good friends, right um. You know, they still hang out with each other off off the pitch, and you know he's, you know again, he's up there in age, he's you know, mid thirties. Just look Messi. Yeah, but you know, imagine having those two guys on the team. I don't see him getting the same kind of deal that he gets with you know, the messy guy. But you know, if he wants to come over here and win, you know, I just I think you I think you do see a lot of guys come over
here. But I also think you're going to see a lot of guys going to Saudi Arabia. No, no, I completely agree with you. There the Saudi Arabia stuff that's that's gonna happen, Like we talked about last week. There, they're trying so hard to build that sports entertainment empire out there, of everything that they can do, I would not be surprised if they took that money that they'd planned, because I think they thought they had Messy.
I do think Saudi's thought they had Oh I think so as well, because we know Barsa wasn't going to be able to put up the kind of money necessary because of their financial situation, and so I think Saudi thought that they had him, and I think they're going to use that money, that all that money that they didn't get with him, that they didn't have to use on him, on a couple other players. So I wouldn't be suppressed
or one major one. So I would not be surprised to see a lot of people head over to Saudi. But for MLS products, I mean we were talking about people that benefit the most. The store owners and breakers that had to buy allocation of MLS products and were pissed about it, are probably very happy now. As you know, coming up into the next year, you're going to see these these are going to skyrocket. When MESSI is finally in these l products, they are going to skyrocket and for the first time
really ever. I mean you kind of had Someng with Pepe when he, you know, was in MLS. You kind of had that little bump and Paxson Aaronson when those guys were there. But you had a little bump and a little hype over MLS. But it slowed down relatively quickly, and it was a very small amount of cards that really held well, it's sold. I think part of the reason it slowed down was because you know, Aaronson Peppe, you know, they they kind of disappointed they did, you know,
when they when they went over there. So I think it's gonna be a little bit different because it's the reverse, you know. I think what we're going to see now with the twenty twenty three products that are going to come out later in the year with MESSI is very similar to what we're seeing now with Bowmann Chrome University Basketball yep. And the impact that WEE Banyana has on that product and the pricing, yeah, compared to the previous year.
Yeah. And just to confirm something you had a question on earlier, MESSI did have autographs in twenty twenty two UEFA Champions League products. So okay, there we go. Yeah, yeah, so they're so the odds of him having autographs in the MLS product are pretty high, pretty high. Yeah yeah, Um, the most likely to sticker autos, you know, just because most of the MLS ones, you know, are sticker. Although this new product that's coming out all hards. Yeah, that looks like it's all hard
signed. So next year's version of it will hopefully have MESSI and that'll be um that that'll be an amazing product. They can't wait to see that. Oh God, are you that MLS or renaissance the first time? I mean, now, granted, I want to see how the cards look in hand. We've always seen as mock ups. They do look forward here. But if this product is a nice, nice quality, high end product, the first one with messy autos in it, they're gonna be massive. They're gonna
be huge. It's gonna be norm gonna be They're gonna be huge, huge, They're gonna be huge. Exactly. Maybe maybe if he's a golfer, he can come down to Marlago and you know, be a member, because we let anybody in it's all good that the Democrats Democrats can't come. Um, So I think, yeah, I think it's gonna be it's gonna be huge, I think. But I think it's gonna draw a lot of eyes
on those younger players, big time, big time. I think. I think a ton of people are going to benefit, a ton of players and a ton of people that have been holding some MLS cards, uh like myself. Hopefully some of these players. I think you are going to see a bump because there's never gonna be more eyes on the MLS. There's never gonna be more attention paid, and there's never gonna be more hype than right now
and this upcoming couple of years. Yeah, I mean, and it's gonna be interesting to see the impact that Messi has on Eiter Miami because they're currently sitting dead last YEP in the Eastern Conference right now, and he's got an uphill battle to get back into you know, to make the playoffs because again they you know, MLS does playoffs right as Europe does. You know, just you just win. Um. But here's my question is, normally, you know, the MLS has a you know, schedule offset from the European
leagues. Y MLS is playing all summer, right, So what happens to MESSI where he's not really going to get a break. He's going into the international break coming up this month where he'll play some games to Argentina, and then come July, he'll be right back on the field, yeah, playing, So there's zero break for him. Yeah, he didn't get a break. He didn't get a break in the fall because he played for the World Cup, you know, the World Cup, which hey worked out, worked
out well. Yeah, I would take not having a break and winning the World Cup for that. But he's basically going to be going for a straight year and a half without having like a serious break. We're assuming he's going to sign that contract and walk right over and play. I have a feeling he might take a little bit of time to get over there. Well, it'll be a couple you know, he'll have to train for a couple of weeks, get use it, Yeah like that. But it will be interesting.
Yeah, I'm excited about it. I can't wait. Oh, I'm thrilled, man. This is I mean, it's something both of us have been I mean, you know, we both love soccer, and this is for United States soccer something that I've wanted to grow forever. I don't think you could ask for anything better than Messi heading over to the United States.
I mean, yeah, that's uh well, maybe Holland in his prime coming over to the US and Messi in his like twilight years of his career is still better from a playing standpoint, the skill standpoint, than like ninety percent of the rest of the soccer players in the world easily. Yeah. So yeah, So there's some of the big news this week, guys, Messy heading over to into Miami. It'll be very interesting to see what's happen opening.
Let us know in the comments and everything this week if you guys are paying more attention to soccer now that Messi is over here in the US, or well will be soon. But one thing, Scott will move on now from Messi. We had some news. You mentioned a mini scandal, a scandal, a diet scandal earlier in the show. Yep, let's let's break that down, all right. So before we break that down, you have the other thing I want to break down because I you know, we talked
about percentages in the last segment with Messing a skill. This time we're talking about percentages because there's been a massive drop in grading submissions. Yes, there has. So jem Right just came out with their monthly numbers from May and there is some major drop off on that, oh huge. Overall grading activity declined fourteen percent compared to April. PSA graded just over a million cards, down eighteen percent versus April plus fourteen percent year over year. SGC graded eighty
eight thousand, which is down seven percent. This is where it got interesting. Yeah, PSG and Beckett. CSG was up nineteen percent and Beckett was up seventeen percent, but overall a fourteen percent decline in cards submitted from last month. Okay, let's go from the bottom up. Yeah, Beckett not surprised there's an increase, No, Brett. Beckett's bread and butter is bone chrum. Yep. You know twenty twenty three Bowman submissions during the month of
May. You know, we're probably off the charts for them, absolutely, and that's not a surprise. And let's be honest, Beckett really didn't have anywhere to go but up as far as submissions go. You know, they were down pretty far. So they're still down thirty percent from this time last year. Correct, but they were up month over month, they were they were up cs G. Now what I don't remember when I was looking at these numbers. Do these numbers. Does CSG's numbers include the TCG stuff or
is it only sports? Um? I think it was only CSG CCG. Yes, it encompasses everything from my understanding. Okay, So okay, so if it doesn't compass everything, that's not a surprise. We had a brand new Pokemon series that just you know, Scarlet and Violet came out. Um, a lot of people were submitting stuff for that, and they are very you know, as far as TCG goes, they're the number they're number two, oh yeah, you know, behind PSA. So that's not that's not
a surprise to see a slight increase with that as well. I'm curious to see what they're dedicated sports card numbers were though. Yeah, um, because they're still you know, as far as resale value and resale prices within the market, they're still for sports far behind Beckett and SGC. Yep. Um,
So that's you know, that's that's kind of there. Um. SGC having a you know, the seven percent decrease, that is not a surprise because you know, like I said, everybody was down for the most part, especially a year over year, but SCC did see a lot of that twenty twenty three bowmen come in the door because of that promotion that they're running, which has ended and has now been replaced as of yesterday, with which again we're not surprised about it. We knew it was coming top Series two
promotion, right, and I'm curious to see how their June numbers are gonna look because they also launched a fifteen dollars football promotion, no up charges, no anything. So I had somebody that gave me a couple of weeks ago, a Jim Brown rookie that came back, came back in SGC five. Wow. Uh so he played the you know, the normal rate. There were still no up charges on that, but you know it wasn't fifteen.
I think he paid twenty degraded. But that's fine because with PSA that would have, you know, assuming it came back at five as well, you know, that would have been probably one hundred fifty bucks degrade. Yeah, probably the expressors five express probably Yeah, five's about a two thousand dollars you
know value on that um PSA being down. That one was a little bit interesting because they have they've increased their turn speeds, which absolutely without I mean, well yeah, yeah, they did just put up the nineties promotion, so I think that'll push next month's numbers. That really didn't influence this month's numbers. Um, But they've had good promotions with PSA like they've actually and the turnaround times have been two months, I mean really two months or so
once they're from door to door. I mean, they've been quick and that's the and now. But that's the thing though, and you know, I actually did kind of see it coming that they're not their numbers would be down a little bit because of the fact that they're able to turn cards so quickly. Right, Usually when their numbers were really high, you know, that's
when you had the massive backlog. Yeah. Um, so they're meeting you know, they're meeting expectations, but at the same time, you know, if they're not getting what they eat, and that that brings us to an interesting question because we know that they they added a massive amount of staff during you know, during the COVID boom, just to be badly, a lot of people have been laid off lately and that's and that's the thing, you
know, because they're not getting in the same kind of quantity that they were getting in uh, you know before. They don't have a sixteen million cards backlog that they need to work through. Um. You know. But between the layoffs and honestly getting rid of really the best one of the best people in that company in terms of the PSA aspect of it. Letting go of one of the best people in that company. I'm not going to mention his name because he wouldn't want me to. Um. But just really, really,
really is indicative of where PSA is I think right now. Is they, you know, laying off a lot of people, things, They're things are a little in limbo I think with where they're going and what they want to do. But I've got a question for you, and this is when I looked at this, I thought, well, this makes sense to me because the nationals coming up. Everyone knows that PSA is going to and all the grading companies are going to have massive national specials they always do every single
year. And so the majority of the cards submitted, I would say a good probably at least a third, I would I would guesstimate or probably going to attend the National in some way, shape or form, or send their cards with someone that is going to the National. So I look at this and I say, okay, well, this is people holding off until the National gets there, all right, so they get some of those promos. So here's where you're thinking. In my thinking differs because is it roes a
PSA. You're past the point right now where if you send a card in, you know, you're probably gonna get it back, you know, if you send it in in bulk, you know, yeah, value, you're
you're not probably getting it back. Before the National, I would have thought that the April and May numbers would have been, you know, in the June numbers, which we'll see the beginning of July would be a lot higher because of all of the people that are you know, that go to the National, they want the cards already slabbed because it makes it easier to sell. Well, that's where I think the June numbers I think you're going to see across the board way up. And that's and that's possible. Now.
The other the other thining is the cost to slab at the National. Yes, is usually prohibitively expensive, you know, not a little hint, tire. Can't give me exact numbers, but I can't give you a little hint, tire. It's gonna be a lot cheaper than it used to be. Well, and that's and that makes sense because they have to. Yeah, but it's still gonna be what was it, I mean, what was the
charge last year? Was it two fifty? Um? Beckett usually has like a fifty dollars, but that you know, they're usually up to the you know, while you wait charges very quickly because they you know, their backlog SGC did not do on site slabbing at the National last year. They just did the the pregrade. Yeah, you know that they did, which was very successful. Uh, you could give them cards to bring down, you know, to slab and things like that. But I'm yeah, a lot
less expensive. You know, even if they cut that price in half, you know, you're still looking at one hundred and twenty five bucks to have it slabbed at the National, which is still cost prohibitive for the vast majority of you know what people are sending. Oh, I absolutely agree with you on that. Yeah. So I don't think you're I don't think you're gonna you know, it's people waiting. I think it's gonna be I think the
June numbers will be higher, will be higher. I think this is more along the lines of just when some thing's popped, you know what I mean. I don't think this is necessarily like people are saying, is this indicative of people not wanting to grade cards anymore? Blah blah blah. No, not at all, not in any way, shape or form, at least
in my opinion. I think it just comes down to, I mean, for all we know, look, this is the main numbers, for all we know on June first through fifth, you know, five hundred thousand more cards. You know. Well, I don't think I mean, look, well, you know it's possible, but we don't. You know, I don't think they've got the capability to do five hundred thousands. No, but you know what I mean. But yeah, no, no exactly. But now here's the other here's the other things. So I think the JEWE numbers
are gonna wind up going up for PSA. I think the jew numbers for SGC, though, are probably gonna be down a little bit. And here's the reason why PSA. And for some reason, I don't know why, it's probably because they feel threatened. They reached out to all of their bulk submitters a group submission, you know, folks who also submitted for other companies, yes, and said, yeah, you're not going to do that anymore. If you want to still, you know, if you still want to
do group submissions for PSA, you have to be exclusive to PSA. Now that doesn't hurt gem Mint, right, you know, our buddy Jared, because he was exclusive to PSA already. But guys like Nash Cards who did a you know, does a large amount of PSA, but it was also doing a very large amount of SGC. Oh, yeah, they're not going to be able to do that anymore. So you know, I'm hoping that you know, they've reached out to you know, in a redirecting their SGC
customers to other group submitters. Um are a shameless plug right there? Yeah, um, you know, or you know, it's not going to affect Boca because he's exclusive to SGC. The there's a massive amount of stores, there's I mean, there's a massive amount of very large bulk submitters that didn't give you that option of PSA SGC Beckett some of them did all four But now yeah, and it wasn't just as it wasn't just SGC, it was you know, I don't know, see I didn't hear any of it in
regards to CSG. I only heard it in regards to SGC and Beckett is well exactly, which you know, which took a huge chunk. So how is it going to affect guys like you know, what's a Josh Kade right in text? I think he's with Diamond right now. He he built his business with Beckett, was a massive Beckett Group submitter, Oh yes, and then added CSG and PSA, and I think they're doing a I think they're
doing a ton of business with PSA. So you know, in his situation, does he tell PSA to go pound sand because he is sticking with Beckett, who he you know, came up with in the industry, yea? Or is he long term relationship exactly? So is he gonna cut them off? And you know, especially you know, if this was six months ago, you know, with with Kunal in charge and things like that, I probably would, I probably would cut Beckett off. But that's not the case
anymore. So you know, it's gonna be very interesting to see how this pops out, and it's gonna be really interesting to see if you know, the the bulk submitters that are not affiliated with PSA are going to see a massive increase in their you know, submissions to both Beckett and SGC and i'd like to I'd like to think so I'd like to think that that's going to be the case because if the numbers for Beckett and the numbers for SUC won't
fall off because they're not you know, they're not losing thousands of cards a week, right, you know from some of these large bulk submitters. You know, Nash Cards was you know, was one of the biggest five star up in Wisconsin. Yeah, you know he was. I mean he has always been a big PSA guy. You know, Matt Sellers up there, great guy, you know, Yett very well, but submitted a lot elsewhere too. It submitted a lot elsewhere exactly. And now it's like, okay,
well we're gonna we're gonna cut that off. Now It's like, okay, crap, what's gonna happen. Yeah, So that's kind of the the conundrum that a lot of these guys are going to be in. So we'll
see how that plays out. Yeah, that's uh, that's gonna be something really interesting to watch going forward, because you know, we were just talking about the gym rate numbers and everything that those books submitters that we're talking about don't handle just a couple of hundred cards, you know, they handled thousands of thousands a month for some of them, tens of thousands for a lot of times each of these grading companies. So yeah, what are what are
they gonna do? Um and how are they going to kind of maneuver around these new rules at PSA is putting in place, which pretty much saying it's us or nobody. You know, it's us for someone else, but it's not both, you know, exactly take an eating it too. Yeah, if you if you want, you know, if you want to get the deals that we're giving you, then it's got to be us. You can't
do it. You can't do with anybody else. And I'm just trying to figure out why because for years and years and years, everybody lived in harmony with everybody else, right Yeah, And the only thing I can think of is that PSA feels threatened. Well, I mean there's something there. I mean, there's some they don't do this for no reason. This isn't something small. This is pretty big when it comes to the clients that they're talking
about. Like you said, if they were to lose some of those people that have built amazing relationships with Backett or SGC and things like that, if they were to lose those bulk suppers where they said, well, screw it, I'm gonna go with the other companies and just say forget it and push
my customers there, that could have a drop off effect for PSA. I definitely think this kind of does come from feeling a little threatened here and looking at their numbers eighteen percent down making these moves right now, Beckett, you mentioned Kunal out new CEO and everything in Beckett's numbers are up seventeen percent.
I mean, yeah, well, and again I don't know, I don't know how much of that had to do with, you know, with Kunal being out as opposed to Boom, as opposed to Bowman Chrome, you know,
getting released. So I think there's a you know, there's a little bit of a coincidence on that one, because their numbers are always up on a new Bowman product, that's true, So that's not a you know, like I said, I'm curious to see what their June numbers look like, though, Yes, because that's gonna be that would you know, again, it's been out for a while, you know, there's not a new one coming out. I don't think Bowman chromer release is told usually what's September or
something like that. Um, it's curious to see what their summer is going to look like from that standpoint, but the you know it again, I think that's an outlier month for Beckett. Yeah, I agree. I think May in general, looking at all of it, isn't outlier month. I'm curious to see what June looks like compared to April, you know, March, things like that. You think we're always going to have these odd months because of when things pop, how things pop, when things up, all
of that. And that's kind of where I see this as fourteen percent down looking at it again. Year every year, everything's still up, you know for the majority, but quite interesting. And you know, PSA making a lot of bulk suffers have to make a very very big decision here, which is going to influence quite a bit of the money that's in their pocket. Yeah, speaking of the money that's in pockets, we need more. That's true. Listen to this and we'll be back. As you suffer and we're
back. Thank you for joining us, and thank you for listening to all of that. They put money in our pocket that helps us bring you the show every week. We are now going to talk about the biggest sports thing on the planet right now. It's huge, It's you uge, bigger than anything that's going on right now. It's of course the NBA Final. Oh yeah, all right, So we got a big NBA Finals going on right now, not the two teams that I would have wanted to see in it,
but it's actually looking pretty good. And we've got a big name on each team that has yet to win a championship. Yep, that could have hobby implications. It better, I mean, well, yeah, I'll say it right now. It's fucking better because all I hear about all the time when you hear any of these conversations in the NBA is I mean rings the day of Jordan has this many, this person has this many blah blah blah.
This person is better than that joking and I would put Murray in there too, But what we're gonna pay It's true, yokick because Joe kick is a is an absolute monster and something that just doesn't come along very often. Yokick on the Denver side, You've got Jimmy Butler on the Heat side, two guys massively overlooked in this hobby for I don't know how long, never got the love despite always putting up great numbers, always being amazing players.
Butler are not as much as joking, He's kind of Butler. God well, Butler. Butler definitely got some love his rookie year. Oh yes, then it and then it completely fell off exactly. But now you've got these guys in the finals, and all I hear about her rings and championships. Whoever wins this championship between those two guys, and I'm an I love the Heat. I grew up a Heat fan. I still paint the nuggets taken in six. But whoever wins this, it's got to propel him in the
hobby, right, I mean, how's now, here's the thing. So let's let's start with Yoki. Yokich has started off a little slow in his career, but the last you know, three to four years, has built a Hall of fame resume. There are there are two things that he is missing. He's missing an NBA championship, So he's missed the ring and he's missing the finals MVP. Yeah, and I guarantee you if Denver wins that he is the finals MVP. Yes, there is no there like there's no
contest right now. No no, no, no no. Um. If Denver wins, he's the MVP. Now on the other side of the coin, we have Jimmy Butler and the Heat. Who Again, if the Heat end up winning, which again I don't think is likely, Jimmy Butler will be the MVP. Yeah. Now he is also missing though the league MVP. Yeah, of which Yoga has two. Yeah. So that's that's the
question. Now here's here's the other one to ponder. So, if Miami wins and if Butler gets his ring, is that there are let me phrase that, there is a chance, based on some rumors that were going around years ago, that that that could be the seventh ring for the Jordan family. Yes, yeah, you know, yeah, there are lots of lots of rumors going around that he is the illegitimate son of Michael Jordan. There's a lot of look at the way, look at the two of them together,
similarities. Yeah, not saying it's anything other than a rumor, but we still got to bring it up because it's funny. Oh no, it's great. Yeah, And the comparisons are definitely there. Yeah, so do we have. And I just think it's weird that, you know, if if that is the case, then for some reason, Butler wound up much better than Marcus and Jeffrey. Yeah right, Yeah, I look at like knowing those two since they were kids. Um, great guys, absolutely,
great guys. Just want their father and Jimmy Butler man maybe maybe Jimmy, Yeah, exactly. So I'm kind of curious to see how this is all going to play out. But I think you're right. I think Denver and six is probably the right call. I would, honestly just because I love watching these two teams. They're like, they're relatively equal competitive, miss. I kind of would like to see it go to seven. I went to
um because that puts a Denver win in Denver. Yeah, I'd also like to see it go to seven because then maybe Tyler Hero can come back and kind of Lowry can get off the basketball court, because if there's one person that needs to get off the basketball court and retire. It is Kyle Lowry, my god, Yeah, you know, and I believe it. He's already he's already got a ring. Yeah, so he needs to hang it up quickly. But I think this is the year. If I'm being honest,
I think I think Butler's stuff. Even if he wins, I think it's still like you said, he's missing the regular season MVPs. He's missing a lot of the other accolades. Joke. If Denver can win this, you're looking at a two time MVP. Like you said, there's no way they don't win, and he doesn't get finals MVP. So let's assume finals MVP and a champion on a Nuggets team, not on some big team where
he brought in a bunch of people around him to help them. They didn't make these massive, massive trades to bring in two or three other superstars. No, this was a built team. This was built through the draft and through a couple of small role player trades that made them into contenders. I think Joker has to be looked at as I mean, the hype would have to go as one of the best big men I mean of the era, and I know big men don't that great but you'd gotta you have to make
an exception for him. I think. So here's saying, as far as the Hall of Fame goes, regardless of whether Denver wins or not, I think Yokich is in. Oh. You know, guys that win, guys that win two MVPs yea, and frankly, guys that win one MVP usually eventually get in, right. But I think with Yoki's numbers, you know the fact that he was the league MVP twice, and I believe he finished second this past year yea. And I think Mbid rightfully got that MVP.
Yes, you know, he you know, him and Yokich had been going head to head, you know for several years now. As far as that absolute, you know, finishing second for Yokich this year, I think, I think he's a lock for the Hall of Fame. But I think there's a there's no there's like a guarantee that if he you know, if they win it this year, he's the finals MVP, he gets his ring,
and along with the two MVP he's he's a first ballot without question. Jimmy Butler, on the other hand, I think that even I think with the Championship and most likely finals MVP. Even if he doesn't win a league MVP, I still think he ends up in the Hall of Fame because if you look, if you look over the course of you know, from when he
was a rookie until now. Look, he's played at a high level, but look at the guys who have won the MVPs, you know, during that period of time he's been I mean, he's been blocked out Yogi and Bead Jannis has won a couple, you know, So it's like, okay, great, you can still have a Hall of Fame career and not win an MVP because of the guys that actually did. It's like Nolan Ryan. Nolan Ryan never wont to say Young Award, Yeah, you know, because
there was always one guy, exactly old Jordan Era. There's about fifty different basketball players I could name that should have won championship, but there was that dude in Chicago winning all of them, you know, I mean exactly Barkley. But I mean from the hobby aspect, I think that I mean, Jokik is in the perfect position just like Butler. Both of these guys are because their rookies came out twenty seventeen fifteen, Butler thirteen, I believe.
Yeah. Um, so both of them are in that era before production ramped up. Yep, you know, a lot less products, a lot less stuff, a lot of nicer stuff, to be quite honest, Um, but they were kind of in that build up era. Um. You know, Butler's got the you know, debut prism to fall back on as well. So there's a lot of There's just so much in this that these are two guys that we're watching right now that are getting a lot of attention right
now. And I just hope that hobby carries over into the following seasons with these guys. And to be quite honest, of the other players, I hope Bam out of Bio finally gets the recognition that he deserves. Personally, I've been saying it all playoffs long. The only way to heat win. So if he shoots twenty twenty five times a game, if he doesn't take well, let's just let's just take a look. Take a look at yokich Um fifteen sixteen, Donris his you know, his bass rated rookie. We're
not talking. There was no optic back then, so yeah, let's just look at that a year ago, you know, you were looking anywhere between three hundred and four hundred bucks for a PSA ten right of the bait, and we're talking bass. We're not talking about you know, any of the
parallels or anything like that. The last several that's sold. Let's see here seven so most recent in the last four so six ninety nine, seven fifty eight, sixty seven, seventy five, seven ten, eight twenty, so you know, six nine ys, so even a even in a year. And let's just look at the month of June. All those that I read off were just in the month of June, of course, so you know,
even in the last months. There was one at the end of May they went for five hundred, you know, just just going back a little bit. But they've they've been you know high. There was one that went May twentieth for three fifteen, so you know there's been a jump. Yeah. I just hope it's a sin. I just hope it levels up a little bit because I think both of these guys are prime examples of people in the hobby. And this happens a lot because people get caught up with the
rookies. Obviously, the wim be crazed and all of that. It's going to be coming, but people get caught up in their rookie chase and all this, and people get left to the side and left as afterthoughts. And I think these are two prime examples of players that have proven that they are not afterthoughts and that they deserve much more hobby love than there than they have
been getting in the past. I'm going to take out the month of June because obviously they're getting hyped up now, but you go back six months ago, not the same thing. And so I'm hoping that we see some sustainability on this because I mean, these are, like I said, these are two guys that I think will both be in the Hall of Fame. I think both of these teams are great, and I'd like to see a bump on Jamal Murray. Like I said, I'd like to see a bump on
Bam. I'd like to see a bump. Obviously you've got Caleb Martin who's got quite a bump. But you can only go up when your cards are a dollar, so I don't know. I don't know about that. There's lots of guys, you know, fifty cents or less so it's not a you know, not a huge thing. And I got to look through all my I gotta look through it because I got a bunch of Caleb Martin stuff. Yeah he can thank Tyler Hero for that. But yeah, it'll it'll
be interesting to see. I just want. I just hope, like I said, that these guys that that moves over and people start to give both of these players, but especially joking in particular, the recognition that they do deserve. No, absolutely, now speaking of guys that are finally getting the recognition that they deserve. Yes, let's switch sports. Let's dude, we're moving to baseball. Two guys we want to talk about in this set.
One of them is a rookie, has like two games in the league, and the other one is not a rookie this year but has received zero hobby love until now. Yep. So let's start off with the guy that may or may not be a flash in the pan. I don't think he will be. Just got called up the other day. We were talking about it last week that like it was imminent. Any day now it was gonna happen,
And any day arrived. Yes, and I'm gonna tell you if you saw The video that they posted of how he was told that he got called up was awesome, amazing, and I love watching those videos. But they they got him good on that one. We're obviously talking about Ellie day La Cruz. Yes, and I'm glad we didn't record yesterday. Normally record on
Wednesdays. Today we decided record on Thursday. But his second game yesterday, Jesus, holy crap, Like, what the hell, dude launches a bomb fifth he's something whatnot for fifty eight into like one of the last rows at Great American Ballpark, insane almost out of the stadium, which is very difficult to do with that ballpark. Yes, one hundred and fourteen mile an hour eggs of velocity. God, Like, I don't I don't get it. I don't know why, Like why this shouldn't be happening. This dude was
was rushed through the farm system. I mean, this dude has not been It's not like you have twenty five prospect cards of this dude. No, this guy was shoved through the miners into the majors and looks to be the real deal. Well he looked. They did move him up pretty quickly through the minor league system. But you know they you know in Triple A this year he was putting up ridiculous numbers. Oh nasty, and gave himself a
great argument, let's do why he belongs in the majors. Now, there was a there was a question as to what was going to happen to one of the Cincinnati players, the younger guys when he came up, because he's naturally a short stop. So the question is what was really gonna happen to Jonathan India. Yeah, didn't talk about that. Did have to worry about
that because they got injured. There was an injury at third base, and he came in and he's playing third, and he is making an argument that when and I forgot her the third basement was Cincinnati because maybe it's sensil.
Look, let's be honest, it's the Reds. Nobody gives it. Yeah, he's making a very good argument as to why they should not send him back to Triple A. Yes, no, this is a guy man, And in all honesty, I know everyone's caught up in the hype right now, and I'm going to say something that some people might laugh at, but this is just something that I see and it goes by nothing but the eye
test. And I'm someone that goes to a lot of minor league games, pays a lot of attention to minor league baseball because that's what we got here in Carol. I was gonna say, because you got you got nothing else. Yeah, that's what I watched. So that's what I pay a lot of attention to. I've watched him in person. I've seen him in person. I've watched a ton of his highlights, and now I see him in
the big leagues. This is a guy that I think has the potential to honestly be up in that Tatts Soto Akunya type level of next generation superstar. Now it's early. Now, I wouldn't put a hold on I no't know if I throw in Tatts in there yet. Okay, yeah, I mean that's that's thrown in. That's like throwing in like, oh yeah, he may get caught with performance enhancing whatever, you know what I mean. No, I know he has the potential to be on the face of MLB of
the show. He has the potential to be one of the faces of the league. He looks the part. The dude is a monster. He is an absolute beast. He just looks like that prototypical MLB player. And then you see what he's doing so far in the big leagues. You look down at Triple A, like you said, where he dominated. You look everywhere he's gone. He's done nothing but dominate. And I I love this kid. I see big, big things for him. And I'll tell you one
thing. The hobby sure as hell loves him right now. Yep, my god, his bowman stuff is blind through the roof. And like I said, you know, most guys when they get called up, they've got their first bowmans. Then they've got a couple of years in between where they've got their prospect autos and all this stuff. Not him. I know he's actually got so he's got his first bowman and then he I believe he's got two
others, two others. Yeah, yeah, he was in I believe he had a non first bowman in bowe Chrome last year and he's in twenty twenty three bowmen as a prospect, right, but he does not have that eight million product prospect list like a lot of guys do. No, and he's not Um Royce Lewis, right, who I think has what was he in seven six or seven years of bowmen products before he made it up to the
majors. He's not that guy, so there's very there's very little for him to do, and he came in just before that typical June seventh ish, yeah butt off date first. See. The thing I like about him is he's more than just power too. He's got the speed I mean he had he has. I saw this that he has the fastest first to third yep um ratio in the MLB this season already. And he also he's also got a cannon for an arm. Yes, we'll see how long. You want
to see how long that lasts? That's what Yes, that's what I like. Yeah, we shall see on that one. Um. His one downfall I think is playing with the Reds obviously, but baseball is one of those sports where I mean, granted, when his career is over, he'll probably play for half the league like most players doing baseball, so um, I don't. And it also is something where the team doesn't really affect it as
much. I mean there are some instances, but if you're good, and you're that good, you're gonna transcend that shit team you're on, exactly like like Mike trout Right he's played, you know, ten years in the league and he's made the playoffs once. Yeah, but how many? How many times was he MVP? You know how many home runs has he hit? Baseball As much as it's a team sport, when it comes to the hobby, it's very much an individual sport, absolutely, And that's that's kind of
the weird you know, the weird thing. The hobby doesn't I mean there is a certain amount to look, yeah, they care if you win a championship, but as far as the cards go, they really don't care. No, it's how you know, how many home runs are you hitting this year? Right? We talked about how important that NBA championship was just a minute ago. You switch sports over to baseball. It's a complete and total opposite. No, exactly. I mean, look at the most chase guys
right now and then counting up their rings. I'm pretty sure you still have one. You still have a couple of fingers on one hand. And in the reality is, the hobby doesn't care so much about defense as it does about home runs, right, which leads us into the other guy that we were talking about, Yes, who doesn't hit home runs? He's hit one the entire season, and actually I believe that game he hit for the cycle. Yes he did. And last year he won the American League batting title.
Mm over Aaron Judge, I know who just had one hell of a season. Yeah, and you know what, you know what happened was that no hobby love him? None until now. Yeah, finally, I've been high on this guy since twenty nineteen. I ed I ribbed an absolutely insane amount of twenty nineteen Chrome update because this guy. I was chasing this guy and I'm actually I had a red ad an Orange Jady Alster and I'm actually kind of mad I sold that when I did, and I look, I'm
happy with what I got for it, and then it's fine. I just wish I still had him now work of course, talking about Luis Riyas, Yeah, now he is finally. Even even when he was leading the American League last year for the batting title late in the season, he still was not, Like ESPN wasn't writing articles about him, and he wasn't getting anything in a hobby And then I don't know what the hell happened, Minnesota decided to trade him. Yeah, Like, what the hell were you thinking?
I know, I will take nine of him versus nine guys that hit bombs but but strike out a ton, don't have a huge on base percentage. But now, all of a sudden, we're a week into June and Aria's is still hitting. I think after yesterday, with a couple of hits, he raises batting average again. He's hitting four h three yes after, you know, I think it's like sixty three games or something exactly. Now, keep in mind, we have not seen a four hundred hitter for a season
in Major League Baseball since Ted Williams. Yep um. It is has been a long time since that happened. And I don't think we have ever seen a player win the batting title in both leagues. I don't think we're rushing. I don't think so. I don't think there. I don't think it's happened. And Arias is on track if he keeps it up, even if he doesn't it four hundred, even if he hits like, you know, three thirty, Yeah, which would be like a disappointing season for him considering
how it started. I think he still wins the NL batting title and he wants due, so, you know, so, but he's finally getting the love and the hobby. Yes, and I love seeing it. Well, I mean the dude is amazing. I mean they had the staff the other day. He has more multi hit games than he has total strikeouts. On the year, he only has eleven strikeouts and eighty seven hits. Yeah, this dude is a is an absolute beast, like you said, averaging four
h three. I think he has the chance two hit four hundred this year. I think. So. This kid's amazing. And I like you ripped a ton a Chrome Update and luckily did not sell a lot and still had it in a box. So I've been going sifting through it right now. But yes, he's finally getting that hobby love and rightfully. So I had him, oh, I'll tell you I had him separated, but all the way back to twenty nineteen, all of his even his bass, I had
top loaded because I knew this was going to happen at some point. Yeah, as of last week, I had one hundred and twenty two bass Chrome Update Rookie. Now because it was exclusive, you know, back then, they didn't do hobby, they didn't you know, and all you stuff. There was only a seven card you know box and the two pack hanger. I ran the numbers and there should be roughly seventy five hundred of every bass card. Wow, So having one hundred and twenty two of the seventy five
hundred is a large percent. I look, I did over six hundred boxes. I did over two hundred hanger packs. I mean, look when I said I ripped a ton, I ripped a ton. Oh yeah, um, but I've slowly started selling them off and they're getting progressively more expensive at a reble time. Yeah, and you know I'm not doing one at a time. I've got him and I had the first two groups and ten card lots. I've got a twenty card lot up right now. Yeah. But
he's finally getting the recognition within the hobby that he deserves. And I'm hoping that he continues this because if he becomes the first four hundred hitter for a season since ten Williams, yeah, and he continues his career, you know on a similar trajectory. You know, he is he is going to be a name that we are going to be talking about for generations. Oh how can you not? I mean, how could you not? So? But
I'm excited to see it me too, I love it. A couple of young guys in baseball finally, one guy finally getting attention and another one trying to steal the show from everyone else's baseball. Right now, I'm doing a pretty good job at it. But it is, like I said, just like when in our previous segment, it's awesome and I love when the hobby finally embraces somebody that's been putting it together and showing it to you. And the eye test has been there forever, but for some reason people were afraid
to pull their wallets out, and now they're not. Yeah, yeah, I love it. Yeah, absolutely, you know, Drew, I think it's a good place to wrap it up this week. I agree, So
thank you guys so much. This is gonna wrap up episode one eighty eight of Let Me Get That Photograph. As we are on the road to the National, be announcing a couple of special guests that we do have coming up here in a couple of weeks shortly, along with a few other things as we ramp up heading in towards the National, securing a mainstage slot right now
as well. Totefully we'll be able to tell you guys about here shortly, but Before we go, do want to thank our awesome sponsors, Denver Card Shows, Game Time Sports Cards, Zion Cases, Show Your Slap Slap Strong stand Up Displays, and Treasure Hunter Sports Cards. Thank you guys so much for tuning in. If you guys are in the North Carolina in an area this Saturday, I will be at the Hickory Card Show. Would love to see you guys. We'll be doing some video content and buying a shit load
of cards, so bring some cards and sell them to me. But yeah, I would love it. And of course Guy's Hobby Hotline every single Saturday. I'll be on on the seventeen, so tune in on the seventeenth for sure, and we'll be doing a hobby Palooza over on bench Clear Media on the twenty sixth to make sure to check that out as well as a ton of fun, lot of content all day long, and of course a couple of new articles up on Hobby News Daily as as well. But a great
show. Scott absolutely the same as always, Drew absolutely well until next week. You guys know the deal. If you ripping those packs, pulling those hits we taught you, then Pace