THE PODCAST ON HAUNTED HILL EPISODE 178 - SCREAM 2 & 3

The Podcast on Haunted Hill will contain spoilers and swearing. I am the devil and I am here to do the devil's work. Please, others, Michael, be one of us. I didn't tell you my name. Hang up. I didn't tell him my name. They're all a part of it. They're all a part. It is time to keep your appointment. Hello and welcome to The Podcast on Haunted hill, episode number 178. Because I can't get it right. My name is Gav. My name is Dan. Yay. And I can't get that right. Don't worry if

it's the first. If you're just coming back to listen again, welcome back. And if it's your first time, welcome front. But if you like to pop around now and again around the side, up, down, in, out, shake it all about. Guys, who's your father? Welcome to my dad. Just playing the little game of who's your father? Welcome back, guys. Or welcome for your first time. As Gav said, this is episode 178 exactly as I said, as Gav tried to say. And this and this is take two.

This is a bit of a director special, but also a bit of a franchise special. It's more franchise, you know, you already know because you clicked on the thumbnail. But we're covering screen two and Scream three. So we're going to be going back to the late 90s and to the year 2000 to discuss. Be nice to discuss sort of slashers around that time as well, after the resurgence of Scream, because you've got the thing other movies

came out. Didn't you like the I know what you did the Summer and Urban Legends and those types where it was a bigger, higher produced slasher with attractive teens running around. Even, even the faculty and a few other ones that sort of fill it fall into

that category. I think there's a few of those, isn't there? Yeah, but also the interesting thing about the screen movies is, and the very, very clever thing about Kevin Williamson, who wrote Scream 1 and 2 and a lot of those movies you just mentioned is him and Wes Craven did an incredible job of flipping the genre on its head and doing almost a cabin in the woods type thing with it and creating this meta sort of ripping open slasher movies, all the tropes, all the metaphors and really saying,

you know this, you shouldn't be scared of a slasher movie because here is the blueprint for slasher movie. However, we're going to do a slasher movie that falls with still slightly within those blueprints, but also analyze them is because they're all film students for the most part as well. It's great. It's really clever stuff. It's great that Kevin Williamson obviously came up. The idea, first of all, being very meta, and this one hadn't really been done because it was a lovely

thing. Especially as a horror fan, you're like, oh, they're horror fans as well. They're doing something for us and we understand what they're saying. It's not a weird thing. I understand who the killer was in Friday the 13th Part 1 as questioned in the first screen, you know, so it was really nice to have that. Yeah. And then obviously having Wes

Craven come on. Obviously being a dude who started one of the icon slasher franchises with Freddy, it was a great stroke of genius, really, pairing those two together. It's like the wise with Where's Cry Craven? They're not. This new fresh look with the meta from Kevin Williamson just goes and makes it a pretty sweet. Pretty sweet movie. And it had been done before with Wes Craven because A New Nightmare, when we get to it, because we're obviously covering the

Freddy movies, A New Nightmare is. Was almost the blueprint for Scream, because that is making a Freddy movie. And the characters in that play themselves, the actors in that play themselves, even Wes Craven is in it as himself. And Robert Eng. It kind of had been done before. I was just looking to see who wrote it was written by Wes Craven, the New Nightmare, not Kevin Williamson. But, yeah, they're very interesting films. Obviously, Scream 1 holds a very special place in a lot of horror fan

types, particularly our generation. 96, I think it came out. So we were all probably 18 and they banged out another one. A year later we'll be covering Screen two. Yeah, we discussed that. And the banging out. Yeah. And then obviously it's suddenly got a resurgence. And in fact, this is probably a good time to very quickly just look at. Before we talk about what we've been watching. Just very quickly. Cover off the Screen franchise, really.

We've already covered Scream 1 many times, many moons ago for a Wes Craven special. That was 96. Like I say, Kevin Williamson wrote that. Scream 2 a year later. Strange that they got it out so quickly. But they did Scream three three years later, which we're also covering in this episode. And then Kevin Williamson came back to write Scream 4, and that was produced by Wes Craven and that was in 2011. So there was quite a long delay there.

And then we thought that was kind of the end of it really. But then 11 years after that, in 2022, Scream came out again. I don't. I find it confusing when films are called something that another film's called, particularly when it's in the same franchise. Do you know what I mean? But whatever. Scream 6, that's. Sorry, Scream 5, if you want to call it that, then Scream 6 came out one year later. So they jumped straight back on that banging them out bandwagon. And We've got Scream 7 coming

out next year. So Scream, it seems, is back. Gavin. So a slight delay then. When did Scream 6 come out? February of this year. 2026. No, no, sorry. When did Screen 5 come out? Oh, when did Screen 5 come out? The last screen movie that came out, when did that come out? What year? 2023. So they're having three year gap between this one then? Strange. Yeah. Okay. It's interesting and there's a lot of bust ups and arguments behind the scenes. Neve Campbell famously

wasn't a fan. Didn't want to come back really for Scream 3. That's why she's not in it as much or gets as much. Screen time. Screen time, I said then, I meant screen time. Yeah. And she still is unsure as to whether she'll ever come back in the franchise. But yeah, I've seen. I've seen them all, apart from obviously the newest one. And I really, really enjoyed five and six. So seven's a new one coming out. Sorry, seven is the one that's coming out.

I did see five in a cinema and next day forgot anything had happened and just they had no enjoyment whatsoever. Tried to watch again, didn't get very far, didn't join. Scream 5 is probably my second favorite of the whole franchise. Although Having watched Scream 2 again for this episode, that's kind of been elevated a little bit because for me, Scream 2 isn't quite a sequel. It's more of a extra layer to the first film. Almost like Halloween

2 is for Halloween 1, that kind of thing. Because it just ties up so neatly to it all. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. So. But. So Scream 2's definitely gone up in my estimations, actually. Yeah, well, Screen two and Screen three both kind of bored me a little, which was like, oh, annoyingly, watching films, just watching films, you can have a lot more fun when. When you turn into a reviewer and then you're reviewing films and I. It just. I don't know.

Don't know. Didn't enjoy them so much, which was a shame because I was really looking forward to Doing it for this franchise. I don't know why, but we. We discussed. We will. And I think by the end of discussing Scream 2, you'll probably. I hope you'll be thinking, yeah, it's. It's good. We'll see Scream 3. We'll talk about. I've got some issues with it, but. Anyway, I know my lovely Sarah hates the teen slasher movies and is really upse

that. Not up. Really upset. She was a bit like, oh, when we were doing this as an episode, but she's like, but I want to listen. But I was like, well, do the intro then. Just don't bother with the rest. Episodes go. Yeah, but you want to listen to you and Dan. I was like, well, you haven't seen the movies, so just do that. Then you don't have to watch them. You know, she's seen the first Scream and stuff. She's just not a slasher. Teen slasher fan. Body horror.

She likes things melting. I think slashers are probably my favorite genre. I do love zombies. I do love werewolves. But. But for me, I do love. There's nothing better for me than an 80s slasher. You know, I love all the. We both love the Friday the 13th movies and that kind of thing. But. But, Gav, I've got some breaking news for you. Before we get into what we've been watching. It'S like a cinema thing. I don't wanted that, but appropriate.

Now, there's two pieces of news here, one of which you know, the other one you don't. Okay, we've got a new patron. I know. That's so exciting. And thank you, dear patron. And what you don't know is we've got two new patrons. Oh, my God. He's genuinely. I didn't know that. Wow, that's so cool. Thank you. Yes. So I'd like to thank. The pressure is on. The pressure is on to deliver. So Sheila is one of our newest patrons. Bimbliet liaising with her by email over the

last couple of weeks. She's already got her patron picks sorted. We're bumping her up the list. Yes, one of them I'm a very big fan of. Yes, you are indeed. I won't ruin that yet. No, I can't. So thank you very much, Sheila. We'll talk more about you when it's your episode. But thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much for becoming a patron.

Wonderful. And I hope Sheila won't mind me saying she is visually impaired or blind, so really gets a kick out of listening to Me and Gav deep dive and describe to the films and describe sometimes in almost too much detail, but she gets a kick out of it, which is cool. So that's awesome. And it adds an extra layer to the podcast for me and Gav as well, knowing that we're able to give that to somebody as well. And then, yeah, we have another patron, which you didn't know about. That's so cool.

Who goes by the name of Schizophrenic Synapse. Nice. Who literally, as of recording, became a patron today. Oh, yeah, Nice one. I haven't had a chance to email yet. A fresh shout out. Well done. Yeah. So you and Sheila will be getting your T shirts when I get your address. Schizophrenic sign ups. That's going to be a mouthful to say every time. That'll be in your email, won't it? Asking that stuff. Yeah, I'll ask him that. But, yeah, there we go. Thank you.

Amazing. Wicked. We have a little army of patrons now, don't we, now? Yes, Gav, yes. It's time to talk about what we've been watching. But before we talk about what we've been watching, you are desperate to talk about Skeletor. Well, no, I'm not desperate to talk about it, but I did think it was something we should talk about because you are a big he man fan and whatever told you that, obviously not. Obviously. Obviously people don't know this, but there is a He man film currently in proper.

In production, as in being shot. I even know who's going to be in one of our films, even though the he man stand in Body Double, who's going to be in one of our movies at the moment, is playing the body double for He Man. So I know it's been short, but. I. Idris Elba, isn't it? It's Man At Arms. Yeah, it's a. It's a proper production, you know, like, as in, like a very full Hollywood type job. But yeah, I saw Jared Leto has been accused of being a bit of a slimy bugger.

And then I was. I looked up what he was doing, I was like, oh, he's playing Skeletor. So I guess it's because right now he's doing that in Tron. So right this moment, the producers of both of those films will be going, right, he needs to be out because he can't be in it. As soon as someone's been accused, even if they're not guilty, it tarnishes the whole production and they know that. And it's about making money. So that means

they are going to be. It's either how much do they shot of Skeletor because he needs to be replaced because that's going to make the budget bigger, which is good. Which could make the film worse because they might have to say we need to cut back on something else because he's a pervert. Supposedly. Supposedly. I think they're enough into production that they probably shot most of it.

Right. Because from what I understand, the start of the movie takes place on Earth and then Teela Manatoms come back to earth, grab Adam and say, Skeletor's up Eternia, you've got to come back. I'm gonna watch. Come on, dude. Of course I am. Yeah. And yeah, when he gets back to attorney Skeletor and it's got Beastman, Merman, Trapdoor, it's got. It's going back to the cartoons and. The toys and they have great effects. Like it's going, it's going Marvel. It's going full Marvel. Okay,

what's the studio? I don't actually know the studio. I think it's Sony. I think it's Sony Spider man movies and stuff like that. Now the thing with Joe AT Leto is he is a known sort of. He's always been on the thin ice when he played Joker. And I know we talked about this off air and I talked about this years ago as well when he played Joker in those Zack Snyder movies. Yeah, he, you know, famously sent apparently used condoms to, well, Margot Robbie and other people to sort of get

into that space of the joke. I know beads, different things because he's, he was, you know, envisioning his character so much that he wanted to, like. You know, the Joker wouldn't do that, but Joker wouldn't send anal beads to Bat Robin. Guess what, here's my anal beads, buddy. I don't know them, but yeah. Okay, so I don't know with the situation of that what they're going to do,

but he's. Yeah. It's really weird though. You always get these guys, they're always sort of fairly sort of handsome men, aren't they? And they're just like. Yeah. And it's just like, why? I don't understand. It's like, like even P. Diddy or currently on trial. And I'm not saying obviously these people are guilty because I haven't been proven yet. So we don't want any. Just cease and desist coming our way. Baby oil. But like, I don't understand why when like P

Did he I think about this earlier. He at some point when he was younger, he's like I want to be a rapper or something. Or something. I want to be a producer of hip hop music. I really like something that was sparked in image was pur. Which was out of creativity and artist artistry. And then at some point he wasn't happy with being at a position where he could do stuff and just. You know. So he was corrupted but also tempted by great power. Knew what that corruption could do. So he people. Yeah.

Jared Leto is a very. Why can't you just be happy? He's an actor, he's in a band and he has power over people, particularly women, I guess. And I just don't understand is a common trend. They get to a point it's like cool. You've got to what you wanted to achieve. Okay. Unless live that and be happy. Unless they just lean into it in the he man movie and just make him a full on horrible skeleton. No, because.

No, because it's not gonna work because he. He has to be taken out because the money producers right now are going absolutely no way. And there are people who do the numbers below them. Again, you're correct. Like not the financial numbers but the viewing numbers. Yeah, you're correct. If he stays in it, there's gonna be people who boycott boycott this. And there'd be like a group code. We are the boycott. And they're coming from name and a slogan and it turns into whole thing. No way he

needs to be replaced. It's not like it hasn't been done before. So you might not know this Gav, but the MCU isn't supposed to be how it is right now. So with the Ant man movie, the third Antman movie, the bad guy in that was played by an actor called Jonathan Majors. And he was also then in the Loki series and he was going to be Kang the Conqueror and he was going to be the big bad guy like Thanos for the Next sort of 12 movies or something.

But just after he made Loki season one and just after he made Ant man and the Wasp 3 and then. And then was in the production of Loki Season 2, he beat up his girlfriend and strangled her and went to court and got accused of it all. And Marvel are like we make films for families. You're done. And they fired him. Had to really scratch their heads about what they do. And that's why Robert Downey Jr. Is coming back as Dr. Doom. They replaced and they've had to rewrite a

dozen or so Movies, you know how far ahead they think. Yeah, because so it's not like hasn't been done before. It really. Studios up when this sort of thing happens. Oh, of course, yeah, yeah. It hasn't been unfortunate. Yeah, that's. That's what's gonna happen. But it's, it's very sweet of you to think of me and Skeletor. When you read about Jared Leto's perversions. I thought, oh, no,

my little Dan's gonna have a little a he man issue. Because I thought, oh, no, that's gonna up production because it is gonna at some point put more financial strain on it. So hopefully that won't deter from the actual visual finished product. It looks great from the behind the scenes I've seen, but obviously it's far from completed. Yeah, they've got all the effects work to do yet. So we'll see. We'll see what happens. Talking of things coming out, Gav, before we get into

what we're watching, I watched a trailer the other day. There's a new series coming out on Disney plus or Hulu in America, which is Alien Earth. Yeah. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Did you see the trailer? Yeah, there was a teaser thing. Is that it? Yeah, it's like two minutes long. Oh, looks good, doesn't it? Well, the teaser I saw is just a planet of the Earth. Planet Earth. There's a trader. Yeah, there like a two minute trailer. It's. It looks great. And obviously it's aliens on Earth.

It's set between. I think it's set between like 81 and 2 or something like that. Or 80 and 2, 2 and 3. I can't remember now, but yeah, it looks great. They've got face huggers, they've got xenomorphs in it. But obviously it's on Earth slightly in the future. I think it's eight episodes and sometimes I roll my eyes when I hear that they're making a TV show out of one of my beloved films. But you know what? This looks like it's gonna be all right. So, yeah, I'm up for it. I'm up

for it. Bit of alien goodness. Did you watch that prototype film, didn't you? The Animated Any good? Wow, that's a good segue. Wow, it was good. So I'm gonna do it with Elijah. It's called Predator, Killer of Killers. Just hit Disney plus as well. It is animated, but it's by Dan Trachtenberg who did Prey, and he's got the new Predator Badlands movie that Comes out at the end of this year. So he's got two Predator movies coming out this year, this being one of them.

So Predator Killer of Killers is animated, but like adult animation, it's basically four chapters. Chapter one is about Vikings versus a predator. Chapter two is about a ninja and a samurai versus a predator. So. Chapter three is about World War II dog fighting pilots. So this is Predator. This is where all these things are coming out. And no one knew what was going on. We didn't know what film was coming. Is it a World War II one? Is it? Right, so this is. And then the,

the final chapter. Cuz I wanted a World War II film. Well, the final chapter is they will get brought into the arena, like an arena and they meet the predators. I won't say any more than that. But then it ties into a Predator film in one of the, one of the Predator films in the franchise as well. So it's brilliant. Is it animated, Arnie? No, sadly not. No spoilers. But you're not going to get Arnie. But, but Arnie hasn't said. I said I, I'm not done with

Dutch. He. So he might come back because I think they'll probably do another. And of course animated, you can draw him as younger and you know, it'd be brilliant. But honestly, Predator Killer of Killers was incredible. Ninjas, samurais, Vikings. And there's a dog fight, you know, seeing the Predator actually fly their ship and you've got Nazis, you've got the American pilots and they're all fighting each other. And then there's the Predator ship in the middle as well.

Whoa. This is crazy. So, so cool. But my favorite chapter was probably the ninjas and the samurais fighting the Predator. Of course, you know. Well, there's one good thing with animation and comics and stuff. Like obviously we do comics and stuff and we, we could not make movies of the comics we make, that's for sure. But I mean those movies are out there. They probably are. But yeah, thrown. Thrown off that

segue there. But yes, what I'm saying is with animations, I was saying it's same writing, you can just go anywhere you want with it. If you're doing like a cartoon, you can have dog fights in the air of different vehicles, things like that, where, you know, he could do it obviously, but it's a bit quicker and easier to do with animation. It's really good, really dope. It looks great. The violence is good. It's, it's down Trachtenberg. So it all ties in nicely. And I Just absolutely love

the Predator. I think I've said this a million times. The Predator is probably my favorite Alien character in movies. He's so cool. He's. There's a purpose. He's a hunter. It's all a sport to him. And even some of the lesser movies in the franchise I still will go back and watch because apart from Alien vs. Predator 2, that was as we've talked about, but I like all the other ones. Talking of action, though, you've been getting your action kicks, haven't you? You've got. You've watched a couple

of old action movies from the 80s. Yeah, Sarah and I checked out a couple of things. Checked out Police Story, Jackie Chan, which was enjoyable. Like I said, you. It's good. There's a lot of talking stuff, but obviously you can't. It'd be too hard and too painful on them to have fight sequences for 90 minutes. But, oh, no, it's longer than that. Though it should have been 90 minutes. It was a little bit longer than that. They could have cut down the speaking a little bit and made it a

nice tight in. Not tidy 90, but it's good. And the hexagon? No, the octagon. The triangle. The square. Chuck Norris. Cheesy old Chuck Norris. Every time you see him, he's such a cheeser. He really is. And he looks so straight. He looks like your mate's dad. He. He just looks like. He doesn't look like he can jump up and swing around and kick people in the head with, like, ease. He doesn't look like that. He looks. I don't know, he drives a Vauxhall Astro. He's just

a normal looking guy with the beard. He looks like a geography teacher. It just doesn't look like it. Where, like with others. Other ones, you can kind of see it a bit. You can't with him. He just looks so straight. But he can kick ass. It's because of the beard. He looks like a geography teacher, I think. But, yeah, definitely, you're right. You're right about him looking like a dad who's really. Who would be like, boys, I don't want any more noise coming

from that bedroom. You turn the music down, you keep quiet and you just like, oh, sorry. He'S gonna come in and start freeze 360 head kicking us all. Sorry, Mr. Nice. And the movie itself, me and Sarah were like, yes, sweet. And thought it could be more like a Mad Max movie or something where it's more like in the octagon. For the most, the movie and it wasn't. It's right at the end. Yeah, for sake. What a waste. The movie's called the Octagon.

Right at the end. Come on. So that was a shame, but there's some good fight and stuff here and there. So I said very quickly, I said, sarah, she's like, what do you watch? I said, I don't know. I want ninjas, car chases, laser guns and boobs. And I got all of them as a side boob. There's one car chase and there's a ton of ninjas, but there's no laser guns. But I got all of that. So I was pretty happy. Sorry, Carol. You wouldn't get. You wouldn't get boobs in a Jackie Chan

movie. That's what I'll say. No, but we didn't. Chuck Norris as a side boob. That Octagon movie, I'd never seen it until about 10, 12 years ago. Me and you went to a car boot sale together. And do you remember I found that that guy had like six Chuck Norris movies in on vhs? And I was like, I'm gonna buy these. And they were like 25p each. And I just bought all of them. I can't remember all the ones I got now, but they were like the same box art and all

of them. Because, you know, like, when Woolworths would do, like the box office collection. Yeah. So I got the oxygen. Yeah, I was a bit disappointed with it as well. It's not one. It's a shame. Yeah. I've been really looking into VHS tapes at the moment, keeping my eye out on Facebook, Marketplace, and when I go to the car boot sales because I recently got a new video player which is super nice, which previous episodes. You can go back and listen

to my. Me talking about my video recorder if you want to. But yeah, I've been looking for videotapes and different movies. There's still stuff around. A lot of crap, a lot of average normal, the odd cool thing here and there. But I'm looking for like the big old school boxes and like rare horror and stuff like that, really, rather than the average movie. But yeah, they're still out there. They are still there. But funnily enough, I've got screen one

and two on VHS, but I didn't watch Scream 2. I've got it. I've got the. The DVD box at. Back when it was just a trilogy, I bought the box set on dvd, thinking, well, that'll look great on the shelf. Then they released a fourth one and a fifth and a Sixth. So it's kind of it for me. But by false, they did Defin didn't have VHS copies. No, they wouldn't have had that then. Well, that's cool. I've watched two other movies scream

Free. Very much, very quickly. Must have been like a real close to them stop making VHS tapes. Last videotape I actually bought brand new from HMV was Resident Evil, the first one. And that was around. I reckon that's almost the end of them making videotapes for movies. Well, I know for a fact that one of the last on VHS was men in Black 3, because I bought a. That one. I gave you that DVD VHS combo. When I bought that, it came with a free copy of men

in Black 3 on VHS. And apparently that is one of the last films in the UK to get released on vhs. Imagine how at one point they were just like, Barry and Bob are sitting there in their factory during the VHS pressings and Bob. Do you know what? What, Barry? This is the last ones we're doing. Like what? This is the last

ones we're doing. Oh, for. Forever. Forever. So they're just like standing there just watching the last videos go down belt with their hands up to man in Black three with their hands to their heads, like, saluting of all the films. Goodbye, dear vhs. You've done well. I've watched. I've watched a vampire film and I've watched a werewolf film. Tell me. I watched Nosferatu. Tell us all about them. I watched Nosferatu last night. Robert Eggers. Nosferatu. Yes.

Sat down. I was in. I was in the mood for it. I had a. I had a. An offer from prime to rent it very cheap, and I thought it. I'll do it. So I rented it and I watched it last night. But you loved it. I didn't love it. Oh, okay, good. I did enjoy it. I did enjoy it. Yeah. It's stuffed in joy. Yeah, I understand. It's not for everyone. I know you didn't like it and I know quite a few people didn't, but I did really like the acting in it. I thought.

Lily Rose, that was incredible. I thought. Obviously Forehead. I thought Nosferatu was incredible. Count Orlok was incredible. The makeup is pretty much all practical. Even the snow was practical. They used frozen potato chips, which apparently is what they used to use in the 30s and 40s and 50s. Yeah, I thought it looked incredible. And to be honest with you, I was in the mood for it. I think if I'd

have watched it on a day when My mind was elsewhere. I wouldn't have enjoyed as much, but because I was very tired and sort of glued to the sofa, I just kind of sank into it and it. It took me places. It's almost. Stylistically, it's almost like Dracula, you know, Gary Oldman. But that does it a lot better, in my opinion. Yeah. Dragon's the best telling because it's snappier and. But this is great. And it's. It's. It's a good showcase for the actors and it's a good showcase for Robert Eggers.

And he's certainly in four films, got a style now. We talk about. We talked about this in the past. In only four films. You could look at a scene from one of his films and say, that's Robert Eggers. Yeah, of course. But the trouble is, he started off with the Witch and as we know, that's a phenomenal movie. I still really like the Lighthouse and I still really, really like the Northman, but I have a chest tattoo of. Black Philip is how much I like the Witch. You do?

You do? Does thou want to live deliciously with Black Flip? He was in it as well. Come on, Black Philip. Yeah, yeah. I almost watching it, though, there's those bits of the Black Plague and I was like, I wish you had just made a Black Plague movie that have been well good because the gothic sets look so good and I love that idea going on, but it's just. I didn't know what the. I've not seen the original throttle, so I didn't

know what the idea of Nosferatu was. I didn't. I knew it was like the telling of Dracula in a way, but then when I watched it, I was like, ah. I just. There's nothing. It just didn't feel right. But I didn't enjoy. I had a day where I couldn't get into a gym and I wanted to get my pump on and I couldn't. I was. I was frustrated. So I was already in, like, the thing and I went to cinema for it. If I'd been you sitting at home on my sofa and going to chill out of this and

turn the lights down, and I'd probably chilled a bit better. Do you know what I mean? But still, I wouldn't come out of it going, oh, amazing. It's like. I think I. I gave it 6 out of 10. Yeah. Because it looks great. It's well acted, visually. Looks great. Yeah. But, yeah, it just didn't quite hit. Hit the nail in the coffin. But there is another movie I Watched the Night before, which I really liked. And I. Again, I hear a lot of people not liking

this. And that's Wolfman from this year. Yeah, I didn't mind it. I. I'll very quickly say my thoughts, and you obviously can go. I didn't mind it at all. Thought it was okay. The casting was. I thought the man and woman, awful pairing and look like there's no. There was ever any chemistry ever. They were awful pairing together apart from that. Yeah, right. I thought the casting was wonderful. I thought the dad is an incredible actor. Really conveyed what he was going through. Now, the reason I

really love this movie, it was. It was very much like the. The Fly. Yes, it was, but it was also. And by the same, obviously, director and writer. And it was like Invisible man, which came out recently. Yeah. Man was a metaphor for domestic violence and feeling like you can't. People don't believe what's going on. This was a metaphor for generational trauma. Passing on anger that your dad passed on to you or whatever it might be. Men trying to sort of be

the man of the household and be testosterone. But it was also a metaphor for genital diseases and still loving someone even though they're not quite themselves anymore. And I've really, really loved all of that. And as a parent now, you know, I say a new parent. They're four now. But as a relatively new parent as well, I got a kick out of some of the stuff he was saying and the scripting. And I thought his acting. His wife in it. She's in the new Fantastic Four movie as the

Silver Surfer. She's all right. I did. She. I thought he was. He would. Okay. I think she should have been replaced with someone else. He. He is a really favorite actor of mine, actually. He was in a series called Girls that me and my wife watched. He's great. I've never seen him. I liked the Wolf Man. I didn't think it. I know people dissed the wolfman look, but it was

more like Werewolf of London kind of style of wolfman. Wasn't there some teeth coming out of mouth, transition like type stuff going on? No, his teeth fell out and stuff. But it showed a really good look at how it is a form of a disease like vampirism. And also gave you that wolf vision, you know, so when he. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there are some. There was also some elements of. I won't go into it without spawning it, but there are some elements of dog soldiers and stuff in it as well for

me. And how the werewolf might Actually not know that they're the baddie. A bit like in Dog Soldiers, they're just guarding their territory. So, all in all, really enjoyed Wolfman. It's worth a watch for sure. Out of the three movies I've watched this week, Killer of Killers is absolutely phenomenal. Wolfman is great. And we don't get a lot of werewolf movies, so 100 worth the watch for anyone who hasn't seen it.

Nosferatu, if you're in the mood for a longer film, because it's about two and a half hours long, I know a lot of people absolutely love it, but equally, the same amount of people absolutely hated it. So make of it what you will, but, yeah, that's what I've been watching. So it's nice to actually tell you I've been watching some films, particularly newer films. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, totally. And you said you've been changing your mind, she can

stay up later. Yeah. So, yeah, so with the kids, they get up about. So this is for our listeners, Gab, you know this already. My kids tend to get up between the hours of 4 and 5am, especially now it's summer, so I'm usually up a little bit before them. So I'm. The latest I'm up most days is like 5:00am, and then obviously we get them off to nursery. Then I do a full day of work and then it's bedtime and by the time I've sat down, it's sort

of 8pm and then I usually get. I really honestly go to bed before 9pm most nights. I'm asleep by 9pm most nights. However, I'm sick of doing that for the last year. So because I miss watching films, I just don't get to do it very often. So the last week I've been training myself to stay up and that's how I've watched these movies. And they've been movies that have excited me because I've wanted to

watch them as well. Now, I think that's helped because, you know, if you just put on something you've seen a million times, you'll just fall asleep to it. So I'm watching stuff I haven't seen and, yeah, I've been going to bed at like half past ten, eleven o' clock the last few nights. Gavin, nice. Look at me, I'm a big boy. Well done. But before we get into Scream 2, unless there's anything else you've watched that you wanted to talk about. Not really.

I've got to tell you about a little While ago, I had a. About. About a week and a half of insomnia and felt like I was a newborn. Had newborn children again. Oh, God. It lasts about a week and a half. And it started for me going to the gym at midnight, work out to like one in the morning. I did two nights in a row. I think I did it when we were podcast now to be fish podcasting and. And it kicked off. Insomnia, just kicked it off because I couldn't sleep when I got in. I did two nights in a

road and that was it. But yeah, it's a delicate balance. And while we're talking about that, because it's something we've both talked about and a lot of people do sort of say they love the fact that we talk about mental health and men's mental health and stuff like that. That I've talked about this before as recommended by you and a couple of other friends. I've been taking this lion's mane gummies for about four months now. And I felt some. I felt some effects

about a week or two into it, which is great. And I definitely feel sharper. No, no, no. I definitely feel. Feel sharper. I haven't had to use my glasses. It has actually sharpened up my vision a bit. However, in the last two weeks, my sleep has been incredible because although I'm up early and I'm to bed early or whatever, and I often have broken sleep. Is your mind calm? I. I have this calm mind. I fall asleep so quickly. And also, Gav, I cannot explain to you. It's like I'm in a

coma when I sleep. Like I'm in the deepest sleep. Such a peaceful, deep sleep. And even if I'm waking up at like one in the morning by one of the kids with a nightmare, it's fine. I'll snap out of the dream and go and deal with them. But it's just that sleep I'm getting is just more meaningful. I do think they do say it takes a good three to six months for them to properly kick in. That's why people give up something like six weeks.

Yeah. Well, I'm about four months in now and I'm really feeling a different type of sleep. And I'm assuming it's because of the lines being mushroom gummies. Yeah, it's just wiring stuff back up and just calming you down. I don't have anxiety anymore, so recommend if you really struggle with anxiety. Lion's mane mushrooms. Really good supplement to have. I'm hoping to have a good night's sleep Tonight. I've not had a full night's sleep for a long

time. I keep waking up. So I'm hoping to do it tonight, actually. Just have a big old wait before you go to sleep. Oh, sorry. I didn't say sorry. I didn't mean to say that. On the podcast, if you struggle from sleeping, masturbation is absolutely fine, people. Dr. Gav, he'll be back next week with more tips. Have a wine. Have a cheeky one. Right. On that note, I'm not gonna have a cheeky one. On that note. Shall we? Do you. Do you want me to go through the Randy's Rules now

or do you want me. Randy? Hello? Do you want me to go through Randy's rules now or would you want. Should we. No. All right, we'll just do that later, then. Do that and get back in the screen. That way Sarah can tune out if she doesn't want to listen to the screen reviews. She might like. She might like the Randy Rules. Randy's Rules. If you miss the asset on that one, you're in. You're really, aren't you? I've got a list of Randy Rules.

Funny enough, two other films that Sarah and I started watching. We didn't get through the other one. Carry On One Camping, but it's. Carry On. They were at a campsite, though. Oh, it's quite good. Carry on something. But anyway, please can we start our side podcast, Carry On Podcasting? It's cooling. First, I think we just choose the episodes that we like rather than do them all because it's. Some of them are not as titillating, but we could caught the titillating years. The problem

is, Gav. Yeah, you're getting into some really UNPC territory there. Those films are full of blackface women being pinched on the bum. No, they're not. They are. They're not. Sid James is going around slapping girls on the bus, going, oh, they're gonna knock us on that. I think we should. Maybe. Anyway. Anyway, we've carried what we've covered. One we did carry on screaming about 10 years ago. Wow, what a great movie. Yeah. Right, Come on, let's do this. Trainer for Scream 2.

Take it away. Two Windsor College students were murdered last. Night during a sneak preview of the new movie Stab. Starting again. Randy. This has nothing to do with us. Randy. A guy in a ghost mask hacked. Up two people in a movie. Are telling our life story. Hi. Gail Weathers, author of the Woodsboro Murders. Do you think the killer will strike again? We have no evidence that this is a serial killer. It's a classic case of life imitating art imitating

life. Are you suggesting that someone's trying to make a real life sequel? Do you think someone's trying to duplicate Woodsboro? It looks like it. I think you have a copycat on your hands, Chief. Hello? Hello, Sydney. Ran into me. What do you want? I want you. It's showtime. Police are everywhere. If there is some freaked out psycho trying to follow in Billy Loomis footsteps, you probably already know. The way I see it, someone's out. To make a sequel. So it's our job

to observe the. Rules of the scene. Number one, the body count is always bigger. Two, death scenes are always much more elaborate. Just want to sit here and wait. And see who drops next. I'm not interrupting anything, AM I? Scream 2 from 1997, rated 18. Two hours. Doesn't. Doesn't need to be two hours. Come on, let's keep these slashes to 90, people. Come on. A mass killer purses a student and her friends. Why do I say purses? It's because IMDb. IMDb. So that is it.

It's a pretty short and to the point. A mass killer pursues a student and her friends. 6.3 out of 10. Dan, you like this? As we say, I do, yeah. As we say. It's directed by our Wes Craven. Our wonderful Wes. Rest in peace, sir. And it's written by the wonderful Kevin Williamson, who really knows how to write a teen horror film, whether it's a slasher or. I believe he wrote the Faculty as well. A few other bits and bobs. Yeah, it's great. It's the icing on the cake to Scream one.

You could just watch Screen one and leave it at that. But if you come and watch Scream 2, you could double bill them. It takes place two years later, brings back everyone who's still alive, does some unexpected things, as you would imagine with a Scream film, and kind of rewrites the rules a little bit again. I saw this at the cinema. I'm sure you did as well. We were very lucky in that period to be getting so much decent

horror. Some of it, not so much. But we went to see what we could, whether it was Ghost Ship or the Faculty or whatever it might be. Yeah, it's decent. I like it. But we will get. We will deeply dive into it in just a moment. Before we do that, though, Gav. Randy's rules. Randy's rules. Randy's rules. Randy's rules. Everybody knows that Scream came up with a concept of these are the rules to survive a slasher film.

Yeah. And Randy gets to town. Tell us these rules in most of the films and who's random Randy was played by what's his face? Can't remember his name now. You know the guy? I'll tell you in a second. You keep talking. Yeah. Who is in Scream 1 on screen? Jamie Kennedy. Thank you very much. And shows up again. He's got a podcast now. I listen to it sometimes. Yeah. And he shows up again in Screen three briefly

as well. But his rules are as follows. So in Scream 1, these are his rules to survive a horror film. Don't have sex, don't drink, don't do drugs, and never say, I'll be right back or who's there? Or hello. Don't say any of those things. Don't do anything. Don't say hello, as in like, hello when you hear a noise in the basement or something, because you're dying. So basically, don't have any fun. Don't have any fun. If you're at Camp Crystal Lake, be good, play the guitar. Sing Kumbaya,

my lord, Kumbaya. As soon as you whip out your willy or smoke a doobie, Jason's coming at you or whoever the killer is in the world that you're in. I told you not to get your willy out. Not you. Scream 2. Now, what Scream 2 cleverly does is it dissects sequels. Obviously it is a sequel, keeping with the meta, and we'll get into that as we deep dive it. But it's really clever at

looking at what sequels do and what. What they should do. So Randy's rules for a sequel are the body count is always bigger. The death scenes are always much more elaborate, bloodier and gorier, because obviously they want to know. They want to be better than the original. And then there's a third rule that he starts to describe. He gets cut off. But apparently the third rule is never, ever, under any circumstances, assume that the killer is dead. And we know this from the Scream movies because

you always get a surprise pop up at the end. So there's your three rules in Scream 2. For sequels, you could take that last rule and put it in any of the films, though even in the first, not assume the killer is dead. Bullet to the head, Gav. Bullet to the head. Scream 3. So again, when we get to that later this episode, dissecting a trilogy or a third episode or filming a series. So in Scream 3, the killer is always going to be probably superhuman this time.

Okay, so you can't stab him you can't shoot them. Yeah, so he says. He actually says, basically, you've got to cry. Jonically, freeze his head. Because even decapitating it won't work. Where is he getting it? Where's he getting his from? Look at thinking about it. Halloween 3. No, it's a wrong. It's totally different movie. Friday 13th. Free. Free. D. Not really. He gets. He gets the mask.

But his other rules in Scream 3 or for third films in in series are anyone, including the main character, can die. And he directs that at Sid. He says this means you said. And his other rule is the pastor coming in the ass. Whatever you think you know about the past, forget it because the past is not real. So any sins you think you committed in the past are about to break out and destroy you. In other words, they always ch. They always flip something that you thought was a fact in the

first film. And in the third one, like Return of the Jedi, they flip it and you realize Luke and Leia are brother and sister. Yeah, yeah. So they always. For the third one, they've got to flip something that you've been comfortable with two films. The Internet broke when you said that, so you said the past comes in your ass. It's pretty much what you said. So us comes back to bite you in the ass. Right. I thought the past was just having some fun.

Now he's got some rules. Well, someone's got some rules in scream 4, screen 4 is don't with the original. The death scenes have to be as extreme as possible. We said that for part two, he'd talk out his ass. And he. And in. In the fourth movie, Virgins can Die. You have to have an opening sequence in the fourth one, an elaborate opening sequence. And then his final rule, or the final rule is if you want to survive a modern day horror film, you've got to be gay.

So there we go. Okay, I don't even think gay characters anymore. No, I. I think he's talking his ass. The fact that he died in the first one and he said he's in all of them. No, he died in the second. Second, sorry, in the news. We'll get to that. Yeah, we'll get to that. But the point being with all of that is these movies kind of did that blueprint matter thing, as I've said. Cabin in the woods did it. Freddy's New Nightmare did it before all of

these. But they're very clever at dissecting what we expect in a slasher or a sequel to a slasher or. Or a Trilogy of slashers and flipping on its head, but also delivering what we kind of been expecting as well. I don't know how they do it, but they do it and they do it quite well. And actually, with Scream 2, I didn't jump because I've seen it a billion times, but I can imagine there are some bits in it that would make someone who's never seen it before jump or sort of been. Oh, my God.

And there's some really great tension in it from Wes. There's a couple of movies especially Even in Scream 3, there's some good tension. We'll get to that again, I'm not gonna go down that route yet. We bring back in this movie Neve Campbell, Courtney Cox, David Arquette as Dewey, bless him, with his little theme tune that he's got. We also get the usual crew of cameos, people that will just show up. Heather Graham, Jet Smith, Omar Epps. Well,

let's go for this. Because what's really interesting with this film now, this film is rushed into production because Weinstein's, like, brilliant. You know, it's making loads of money quick. That's getting up and going as they do, and it's rushed. I do like, though, the idea of showing a Stab movie now. If you haven't seen this, Sarah, you've not seen this film. If you're still with us and you haven't

gone to sleep. I like the fact that the Stab movie is basically the Scream killings from the first one in the town of Woodsboro were so, like, popular. It was like a true crime situation that happened that nationwide a film came out and became, presumably a worldwide slasher film hit. And it was called A Stab. So running coherently with the film alongside is Stab, this other film, which. So what's brilliant about this, especially in Part three, is that this is in.

In introduces the film again and it gives you the first film again. We get to see the first film in the cinema at the beginning of Part two, which is weird, but so out there. Cool. What an idea. I think it works perfectly. And then in the third one, we actually go on a set of them making a Stab movie where Lance Erickson's a producer of it and stuff. It's so genius. It takes the metaverse idea from the original to such extreme amount. And I'm very proud of them for doing such a good job

for the year, a year to do it. Rushing it out again. Presumably Kevin Williamson, probably, as a writer, does have ideas for sequels in their heads. Anyway, you. You know, you're starting to write something, you just start to go, oh, you know, I could imagine that character going off and doing this and doing that. So you have sort of ideas. So you probably had a slight blueprint of stuff, but I think they did really well. Carve in this Stab film code. Well, it adds a layer

of. It adds another layer of meta. Because already the film we're watching, this film that's breaking down horror movies and the rules of horror movies. Yeah. It takes matter to the 11. And then in the second, watching the film that does all of that stuff I've just said, but also then has a film within it which is essentially remaking the first film, which is where. All these cameos you were speaking of her of grammar etc, are playing the characters we saw in the first film.

And then in scream 3, scream 3, they almost overtake themselves with a time machine because they're making stab 3 in scream 3, which is kind of ahead of what's happening in screen, which is. A story essentially for Scream Freeze Movie to be a movie for us to watch. Yeah. So it's. It's incredible. Yeah. And although Kevin Williamson didn't write the third one, I still think it's very well written. Although Wes Craven hated

the majority of the script and rewrote a lot of it. Yeah. I cannot remember who wrote it, but he rewrote a lot of that. You can tell. Where's Craven? Raven definitely had, you know, some. Some fingerprints on it. But Scream 2. Yeah. You've also got Sarah Michelle Geller in this. Joshua Jackson and a bunch of other people are in this. It's. It's got a great cast and probably one of my favorite villains, and the

villains in this play by Timothy Oliphant as well. And it gives it, again, something that the screen movies do, is when we watch a slasher from the 80s, we can tell who it is from the beginning, really. They pretty much telegraph who it's going to be. In Scream 1, it was hard to figure out who it was going to be. The fact it was two killers, that was brilliant. Scream 2 keeps you guessing so much as to who the killer can be. Scream 3 probably goes a bit too far because by

that point, literally everyone in the room could be Ghostface, even Sidney. You're like, well, who the fuck is it? And it happens to be someone quite random in a way that's weirdly tied to Sydney. But I still think they do a great job of keeping you guessing as to who's going to be the killer and, you know, who's going to die. You don't know who's going to die. And that's the threat with the Scream movies is anybody can die and anyone.

Be the killer very quickly. Like, almost the history of slasher films, really. I love the whole idea of the murder mystery. And then there was these German films called Crimmies, which were like crime films, which had a little bit of gore and stuff. But then it sort of went over to Italy, where they brought Jello and Mario Brother, being the godfather of slashers, brought out Bay of blood, which Friday 13th famously took some kills from. But he introduced like, this idea of

the murder mystery, the. Who done it, the masked killer, the Black Glove killer, with graphic violence and nudity. And. Yeah, I. I love it. I still love it now. I love murder mystery, murder mystery with a killer. Well, I was about to say it's probably why you and I gravitate towards slasher movies, because we both. Detective or thriller movies, we love Columbo, even Murder, she Wrote. We love these kind of detective shows. We love these thriller movies like Seven

and Silence of the Lambs. We love all that kind of stuff. And then if you put. Put into the world of horror, making it into a slasher with a mystery, slash, thriller element, we're there where we absolutely love it. We eat it up. Yeah, great stuff. Well, let's kick off then. So we start off Scream 2 with a cinema that is showing Stab. And as you've described, Stab is. Is the retelling of the Woodsboro murders. So you've got to imagine.

Yeah, the cast, you know, the characters in the first movie have been through a traumatic experience by people. But that's. That's what happens, though. They're being played on the big screen now by random people. That doesn't happen sometimes. Sometimes you get. No, they don't even know. They don't even get consulted sometimes because there'll be a certain reason they don't need to be. And all of a sudden, from they're being played, their name

might be changed, but. But they're playing that character. Do you know what I mean? They can get around it. So, yeah, it is what it is. Now, as we remember, we. We were tricked in Scream 1 the first time we saw it because Drew Barrymore was killed off in the opening scene. And we get a similar scene here where we've got two big actors. Jada Pinkett Smith. Take that name out your mouth. It was a joke, man. GI Jane Slap. Come on. Jada Pinkett Smith and what did I just say?

They're on A date together and they've gone. She's got short hair in this as well. I noticed. She looks great. She ain't moaning about her short hair or whatever. Yeah, well, she's got a disease that makes. Yeah, I don't know. I. I've never really been a fan of her. She was in or Thousand Docks. I. No. Tales of the Crypt. Demonites, possibly, or the other one. I think she's okay in that, but I've never really. I don't. Was she in Minister Society or something as well? I feel like

she is girlfriend in mass society. Maybe she was in Set it Off as well. About the girl bank robbers. The Queen, the teper. She. She's, you know, she's an established actress. I've not seen it at all. It's only good. Oh, it's decent. I like high school. Yeah, it's good. Four women who are down on their luck. Decide it. We're gonna rob banks. Oh, I have to watch it. It's good stuff. I never like Queen of Tifa. It feels a bit Spike Lee. Yeah. Because it's kind of a

bit hood. You know, don't know spot name. Everyone's gonna be like, you don't like anything. Get off. You get off his lawn. Well, look, Jada and Omar are on a date to go and watch Snap. Now, they discuss that she didn't want to go and see a kids. Some white girl. Basically. Guys, there's this new slash around the cinema. Dude's like, I reckon if she goes along, she's gonna be like, oh, protect me. And he's like, yeah, of course. Oh, I'm so scared. No worries. Put your hand

in the popcorn. Have a feel around. What's that? You're already. You don't need to be scared. You're with your boyfriend, you're with me, you know, and that situation is gonna rise. This is what he thinks is gonna happen. So he's off to watch that. But she doesn't like horror movies. She wants to go watch. She wants to go watch the Sandra Bullet movie down the block. Yeah, eventually. But she goes, all right, come on then. Now we've got some House on Haunted Hill type stuff going in.

So when they get to the cinema, they get given a costume, like a mask and a fake promo. And they have like ghost faces on wires spinning up through the audience as well. It's very William Castle. William Castle. That's the kind of stuff that they were doing. And it's really cool. She's obviously not happy about it. She sort of Says, do you know that in horror movies, the black people are always the first people to die?

She gives him that whole speech and he makes a funny joke about, I want to see an all black movie with an all black cast, Black Eyed Peas. And he just does his whole thing. He's very funny, Omar. And the film starts, and I do love the fact it's Heather Graham playing basically Drew Braymore's character from the first film. And it's great. We're basically watching that opening again. But we've Heather Graham. So we all, as the audience

calm down and they're all like, watching. Popcorn's being thrown everyone at cinema. And they can see their faces or anticipation. Jade is like, oh, God, all right, I'll watch it. She doesn't really want to watch it. And we then go into the film. We then it cuts to us full screen. We are watching that film, which I like as a weird film lover, kind of weird person as I am, like that. I like that because they actually had to

shoot it as a film, you know? Yeah, yeah. And like the audience watching it, all of a sudden, we are with the audience members ourselves. We have literally just stepped into that cinema, sat down and gone into that film. I dig that. And Jada's nervous of the movie because she doesn't like horror movies too much, but she overhears a lot of people saying, oh, do you know this is based on a true story? It's sick. They shouldn't have made this film, really.

But they're all still there with their tickets and their popcorn to watch it. It's an excellent. She thinking, oh, God, yeah, totally. She doesn't really want to do it. It's an excellent way to recap the first film as well. We were obviously in the DVD booming VHS revolution at this point, but, you know, it's still good a year later just to give that for you going, oh, yeah, I remember that experience you had last

year with the film. And just to add to the nervousness of the situation for Jada Pinkett Smith, everybody pretty much is wearing a ghost face mask that they've been handed and a fake knife. And they're all going, I'm gonna stab you, bro. Yeah, they're all, like, running around chasing. Each other as you and I would. Well, of course. Yeah. Omar Epps says, I'm gonna go to the bathroom a moment. I'll be back. So he. He vanishes, man. Scary movies version of this is brilliant.

Well, yeah, it's a little bit different, isn't it? Well, with the Penis in the air. Now, I'll tell you what, before we get into that, that I love the fact that she's like, no, because he doesn't go to. To. Yeah, she's there first of all, and they're going to do the get some food and stuff. He doesn't go to Tor just yet. She's like, I want some money for popcorn. And he's like, but you've got your own money shows. I know that I want your money. I'll be like,

you right off. Like if that's the situation, like, what the that all about? She's weird in a way. So they go into backhand to forage getting some popcorn. And that's where she hears that true story you're speaking of. Of. And the boyfriend scares her. A bit of the mask on the stuff. And he's like, look, we can go if you want. She's like, no, okay, we can stay. And he's like, all right, I'm gonna go to the bathroom and I'll catch you back in the cinema.

Yeah. And while he's in the bathroom, she's watching Heather Graham take a shower. She's like, now why did she have to get naked? Because she predicted it's not the worst thing to watch, really, is it? It's not the worst thing, but we don't actually see Heather Graham get naked. Sad. Exactly. He goes into the men's room and there's two ghost faces taking a pee at the urinals. And he's like, God's sake. So he. He goes to go away because everyone's.

Dressed up and he's got to take a p. He doesn't matter. Well, he thinks, I'll use a cubicle instead. So he tries one of them and it's locked. The one next to it is open, though. All right. This dude needs a piss, right? You know the situation. It's like, oh, I gotta go, I gotta go. Gone in there. He's about to go, oh, these guys aren't gonna go in there. Goes in there, shuts the door. In a scary movie. It's amazing. A comes through the door and gets stabbed in

the air of a brilliant. Watch it. If you said, you know, you haven't seen that. And he goes in there. He's about to pee, but before he even starts, he must need the pee. But he's like, oh, no, I'd rather go, what's that weird sound in the cubicle next to me? Is it George Michael Cottage in or what the is it? Why does he then Go. I'm not gonna. I'm gonna splatter bladder. Hold out, hold out. We're gonna go. The ears want to go listen to what?

The sounds are coming from the cubicle next door. Why does he do that? Have you ever done that? I've never done that. I didn't think we'd spend this much time discussing MRPs peeing into a toilet. But he hadn't even started to pee. And that's the issue. Why is he listening to next Door? We got a bit of a Black Christmas tribute here, haven't we? Because we get a little weird voice. It's a bit like the Black Christmas telephone voice going. And he's like,

what the. And he puts his ear up to it. Stops going. Doesn't even start going to toilet and listens to it. But this is it as well. He puts his ear right up to go. I'm gonna listen to the cubicle next door. Me. Which is weird already. It's weird. Why are you putting your ear right up to a public cubicle? For a start, you're catching the diseases already from Splashback.

Like, what the. What are you doing? Turn. And then the killer somehow knows exactly where this guy's head is and puts a knife through. So it's a really, really whack kill. It's the what? Come on. This is our first kill and we don't even see it. Come on. But I do like the fact that it leads to the next kill, which is pretty. It does. It's. It's fine. But they could have been more creative with that rather than a weird toilet scenario. They could have done something better than that.

But it does good to getting rid of him. To bring the situation of Ghostface sitting back down next to her, and she's going, look, take that mask off. All right. You're not going to say anything. Fine. Ghost Face puts on his jacket. Yeah. And sits next to her, and she's like, wait a minute. And then she realizes he's got something all over him and it's blood. And then before she can do anything, Heather Graham's character is killed on screen. Starts screaming,

obviously. The whole cinema starts jumping up in the air, screaming and shouting. It's all very dramatic. Then she just gets so dramatic. It's like, what are you doing? Your death is so dramatic. She said, I want you to kill me off in the most dramatic way possible. That was what she said, Jada, when she signed on to this. Did she. Oh, God, it looks terrible. Oh, I quite like it. It's too over the top. But I do like the fact that she's. You're not having dramatics.

Well, I like the fact that she's screaming for help as she's being stabbed in the cinema. Because everyone else is pretending to stab their friends with fake knives. They will just think it's play acting. It's. It's when they can't hear her scream. That's absolutely cool. It's when she goes up on stage, stands there looking at more, and then they all go, oh. But it's just like. And this is too much. She gets stabbed quite a few times. I never liked this as an opening

to one of the screen films, this whole situation. I like the idea of the film and staffing's genius. And never like these characters in this situation, they get killed. It's just a whack opening, it's rushed. It's rushed opening, she's dead, it's rushed. And we get. We get the title scream too. Boom, here we go. So we've killed off two big stars. They were big in 97, but it was. It wasn't like the Drew Barrymore situation. That was incredible. First scream,

you don't know Drew Brown was gonna kill whatsoever. You're like, oh, Drew Brown was definitely gonna be in this film. She's killed. Or straight away. That was brilliant. This. Oh, especially because her face is on the posters, isn't it? Absolutely. It's perfect. That was your. That was your psycho. But that Psycho done in five minutes. Psycho at least had her. It was. It was for 45 minutes. Opening to the first screen movie is genius.

It really is. Even if you're not a slasher fan. Come on, Sarah. You gotta say that opening is very good. And that was Drew Barrymore's idea. It is good. Just the whole. Just the whole setup of that whole scene is brilliant. They asked her to be in it, I believe, as Sydney. I think she said to Wes, I'd rather you kill me off actually, on this opening character, I think would really shock your audience. That's a great idea. It's that psycho idea,

but pushed it further and it's like 11 minutes long and she dies. And it's just really good. But this, eh, don't care, you know. Well, well, let's get back to some familiar characters now, because Sydney wakes up on college campus, but to a phone call. Hello, Sydney. She's like, nice, nice try. Your name is. Is John Smith. Oh, this is college camp. Of course it is. Yeah. And she. It's the first. Sorry, it's the Third one where she goes out to the woods, isn't it?

She lives outside. Yeah, she does the same country. Yeah. So she's got a call caller ID now. So that. Because she's obviously getting prank calls from people who've got a similar voice changer. And we're assuming she's gone off to college somewhere else. Not in Woodsboro. Somewhere else. House is basically somewhere in America, you know, with. With Randy. Yeah. And she's got a new boyfriend who will meet all of these guys in just a moment. Do you know. So she know any English people

called Randy? I know Macho Man, Randy Savage. I know Randy Quaid. They're both American. Yeah. Randy Jackson. He's American. Randy. No. And over here, it's so funny because the name. If someone's. If someone in English England came up to you and said, I'm feeling a bit Randy, you'd be like, okay. Basically means. It means horny. I'm feeling horny is Randy is horny in England. It's not used very often, but. And if someone in England

would be like, what? That's probably why no one's called Randy, because if it'd be me, I'd be Randy Hall. I'd be Randy Bone. Wow. Randy Hore and Randy Bone. What a couple. Well, that's the new podcast. Fantastic. Well, again, you've got to feel for Sydney because not only is she being plagued while she tries to restart her life, this is two years after all those killings. And let's not forget her mom was murdered as well. And the same boys tried to kill

her. And, you know, it's. They're lucky it was not now with the way technology is and people are. How quick they are to comment and say. Then it wasn't so much, was it? No. I mean, prank phone calls is probably like, she might be. Think all this is rubbish. Imagine if you're on social media. She wouldn't. I imagine she wouldn't be on any social media, though. So on top of prank phone calls and a Stab movie out about her life, she's also turned on the TV and who's on there? Cotton Weary,

who is. Who is played by Leave Schreiber, who is the guy that she accused of killing her mum. He went to prison, came out and. Has been found not guilty because of the last. At the end of the first film, the killers at the end said, we killed your mum. So Cotton Weary, the guy that she put away, is now on prison, on tv, being interviewed on every single talk show because she could talk at the time. As I said in the first one,

you fingered the wrong guy. Have you ever fingered the wrong guy, Dan? A couple of times at the same time. Sorry, sorry. I thought you were somewhere. I thought you were calf. Sorry about that. Thought you felt different. You smell different. Oh, don't bring smells into things. So yeah, the news is then talks to Cotton, but then turns to the camera and says. So we're. That was Cotton Weary. And of course the new movie based on, you know, what happened to him.

Stab is it cinemas now. And we're, you know, people are saying it shouldn't be allowed to be released because there was two people murdered at a screening of it in LA recently. And so she's also thinking, oh for sake. Two people have died at this movie. Like it's all going wrong. As she's about to say. I love the fact that it just. Hey, everybody. Sid, check out the news. Oh, okay, cool. Right. Oh God. It's about. It's a bit of such to do

with my past. Right. Anyway, I'm gonna get off to my first class. Here we go. Swamped by press. That's. That's ridiculous. There's no way. Sydney swamped by press. There's literally no way that that would happen. That's so like forced. It's so ridiculous. But anyway, it gets across to the point that she is media coverage. She is first page tabloid. She's on the tizzle. And we meet her buddies. Obviously Randy is there who we've mentioned. Mickey.

Oh, sorry, we cut to a classroom. Sorry for a. Of all of chill of kids film class. Yeah. So you got Randy, you got Pacey from Dawson's Creek, played by Joshua Jackson. You are. I was all discussing film mate and stuff like that. Yep. Sarah Michelle Geller and Mickey, played by Timothy Oliphant. And they're all discussing sequels. What? Name me a sequel that's better than the original. And they're all discussing aliens, Terminator 2, Godfather 2,

all this kind of stuff. Someone says, how's your to the second story? Which is a fun little joke and it's all very meta because we're in a sequel and they're discussing sequels. Gav, do you get it? I do. Sidney, after the class, talks to Randy and he says, do you think it's possible that someone's coming back under the guise of Ghostface after those deaths? And he's like. Like in a very weird British accent for no reason at all, says, I don't.

I don't know. It could be possible. Anything could be. But it's like, what the is he doing? Apparently he said, I don't know why I did that accent in that take. And I don't know why they use that take, but I did it anyway. Very strange. I think it just puts him across as his quirky Persona, doesn't it? Then we meet Derek, who runs over Sid. Sid, are you okay? This is Sydney's boyfriend, Derek, played by Jerry Connell, who was Stand By Me, Fat kid and Stand By Me. He's big boned Dan.

Come on. He's big hunky boy now. Any though, he's a twin. He's got your bacon sandwich. Do you know he's a twin? No, because he was in a. A movie, a show called Sliders, which you might remember from the late 90s. No, but I needed time travel. They needed a. A double. Yeah, they did. And they brought his twin brother in. He was at a P. Diddy party. I watched an interview with him today. Jerry Connell said, I was at a P. Diddy party once, and it was one of

his mansions in the Hamptons. And then he said, right, everybody, I've ordered, you know, two dozen limousines. We're all going to a club that I own. They all went to the club. And then there was a massive argument in the club because P. Diddy said he didn't want to pay the bill. It was hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of champagne and whatever else. And they left. And apparently at one point, someone handed the bill to Jerry Connell and his twin brother and said, are you guys able

to cover this? And they looked at each other like, no. Jesus Christ. And he said that was the one and only P. Diddy party he'd ever been to. And he didn't see anything dodgy other than an argument over the bill. Doesn't that just tell you everything? Really does that. P. Diddy's just basically probably running on credit. It like, oh, yeah. No, no, no. What do you mean, I gotta pay. What? But you know, it's me, a rapper

who's got dotty little beady small eyes. It looks a bit weird. It's just office rocker that should be put down. Jesus Christ. If he's proven guilty. I'm glad you added that disclaimer. Now everyone on campus is talking about these two killings that took place at the Stab because they all know that. That Sydney is one of their. Their student classmates. And there's, like you said, there's reporters everywhere. And one of the reporters steps out. It's Gail Weathers, who, with her red.

Hair, looks quite hot I quite like her in this. In the third film, her, at the time, then husband Dewey played, you know, David Arquette, was like, you should have hair like that. And she has that haircut because he. Insisted it's not real hair. That those. That fringe was a clip on. Oh. And she hated it, but they made her wear it. And now she looks back on it and absolutely hates it. Yeah, it's awful.

But also, it can see the funny side of it as well. Now she's got a new cameraman called Joel, and Joel just thinks he's there just for a day or so. He doesn't realize that Gail's gonna take him on a long investigative journey where his life is gonna be put at risk. He actually says to love him so much as a brother. We don't generally tend to survive long in these kind of situations. So just check in that all you need me to do is point the camera at you when you're interviewing people.

She's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, Joel, just do what I say. No, he's. I love it. He's good. He's a good character. He's like. At one point in the movies, like, I've been reading up on what happened to your last. Last cameraman. Like, what the. He was gutted in the back. She was like, that was an exaggeration. He wasn't gutted. And he had his throat slit. It's amazing. That doesn't make it any better. Excuse me. She's got a book out we should mention, isn't she? She's making money off of

the first movie as well. She is indeed. Obviously, her and Sydney are not the best of fans because the way she's making money off the tragedies basically punched. Her in Scream 1 as well. Yeah. And she's getting asked questions from Roseanne's sister. Roseanne? The TV show Roseanne sister? What's her name? Well, her character's name is Debbie Salt. Debbie. Debbie Soul is her. Is her character's name. Okay. Gosh, why can't I remember for the life of me, her. Her actual real name?

Laurie Metcalfe. Laurie Metcalf. Thank you, Gabby. Big spoiler now. Yes, absolutely. Me and Dan are finally in tuned. We're not that close. We are going through the airwaves to discuss this, but we are finally in tune with each other's brains, because we're about to say spoiler. Dan, you know what it is? Go for it. It. So Debbie Soul isn't actually Debbie Soul. It turns out she is Billy's mum from the first movie, who was killed at the end? Who was the killer? She is a psycho

mom who is out for revenge. So she's got an alias of a reporter called Debbie Salt, who is pretending to worship G. Weathers, wants to be just like her, but really she's just going around campus killing people. She's got help from somebody who we'll get to in a minute. So. Yes. So that in mind when you watch this. Absolutely. This is the best thing for us when discussing this film. We've saved from the top. Top of the top of the

movie, who the killer is. Now we know it's her. So I love this coming at this film as a reviewer, knowing who the killer is. You can go, okay. And there's two killers in this, like the way that first film. So one of them's doing. Gonna be quite often doing phone calls while the other one's doing action in the same sort of time. That's why they're like, what the. Oh, my God, there's a phone call. Open the door.

Oh, action. You know, excuse me. Which was a bit of a twist that they did in Hot Fuzz, which I liked, because you couldn't figure out how they could, because the whole community. It was the whole town. Well, about 12 or 15 of them. So in this now we know who the killer is. The best thing is, Dan, as a reviewer, watching these films, knowing who the killer is. Getting back to what I was saying is you can look at it and go, okay, so at

this point. So there's a point in this movie where she's got Dewey and Dewey and Gail. No. Yeah. Basically at a place, a sound studio place. And she's just. It has to be her doing so much physical fighting and stuff. And you're like, there's no way that you would have done that. There's no way you could have had this. But we'll get to it. We'll get to it. But she is psycho. So you think it's psycho power.

Very strong. At the end, she's on. When she's on stage at the end, she's so strong and determined to avenge her son that, I don't know, she might be that strong. She's. Yeah. But, you know, and what you don't want to do to a psycho. You didn't know it's a psycho. Is to call her a. Which Gail does. Yeah. And this, basically, this is her because she thinks she's local wannabe. You know, local trash. Wannabe press like her and girls,

like, big time. I've Got a book out, blah, blah, blah. Well, the chief of police steps up to the microphone and says, right, we're going to issue a campus wide. And before he can even say anything, girls, like, let me ask you a question. Not like not liking a strange German voice, but just. Just let me ask you questions. And it just goes into it. Just straight into it. He can't get any in. Hang on. I need to get the town info out. There's like a derby

next week. I need to tell them the toilets are blocked up. Don't use those. I got to tell him someone's car's parked over there. And straight away, G's like, give me. Come on, I'm the top. Imagine if this was the time from Stur of Echo. He'd have about 500 street parties he needs to announce. Oh, my God, look, there's. Look, there's at least eight blocks of parties. Okay, guys, maps out everything. Kevin Bacon's around here somewhere.

Let's find him now. Talking to Kevin Bacon. The sorority girls walk up to Sydney and her buddies. And one of them from Urban legends, isn't she. She is, yeah. Rebecca Gayheart. I think she's quite attractive with her funny hair. Her curly hair. And there's another girl in this who ended up marrying Ellen or was at least with Ellen DeGeneres for a while, Portia. What's her name? Portia de Rossi, I think her name is. And these ladies are from Delta Landers.

And they're saying, sydney, we'd really love it if you could join our sorority. And Sydney's friend, Sidney's friend is. Is in it in this sorority. And they're like, you know, I hope you're okay with all these murders and everything. I mean, you are kind of tied into you in some six degrees of Kevin Bacon kind of way. And I thought, oh, we covered it. In the last episode and

I thought you'd die. That bit. Dewey then turns up. Well, we know he turns up because we get his amazing Twin peak style theme tune, which is a bit slight, sad, but also a bit of a cat. It's actually very much for the composer. Give him respect for that. Them respect. It's definitely, like, perfect for his introduction. You're correct. Sad cowboy, but like, with a bit. Of Twin Peaks in there. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And he's. He's. She's like. Sydney's like, Joey. And he's like,

hey, he is the sweetest character in all of these movies. And Dewey. Not Dewey. Not like Jew. Yeah, sorry, Doobie. And he's like, oh, Sid, I thought I'd come and see how you were, you know, with all this stuff going on. I want to kind of look after you. So they sit down and he says, look, I just want to warn you, be careful, be suspicious. You know, the chances are you probably know who the killer is if there's someone after

you, boyfriends, et cetera, et cetera. She starts planting those seeds in her head of that suspicion of everyone around her friends, her boyfriend there. And he said, but I'll be around if you need me, because I'm Dewey, I'm David Arquette, and I've got a mustache and I've got a limp because I was stabbed horrifically. I love the way he walks around. With his little limp in his arms. He's the sweetest character. And actually, come on, they, they got together on this film,

him and Courtney, and. And you can see the chemistry between them. Thank you. You. When she, like, I, I, I can say known it. Sarah is in love with me. And when there's appointment G, there's a little bit in the movie. G looks at him when he says something. And the way she looks at him is the way Sarah looks at me. And I was like, wow, she's actually, like, properly in love with that fella. I'll tell you that. That scene is coming up in a moment. But just before that, though, we get a really

funny moment where Gail says, Sydney. Sydney pulls a microphone out, and Sydney's like, well, for sake, what are you doing here? And she's like. And then she reveals. Cotton Weary surprises her with an interview. This is the man you put in prison for two years. Sid. How you doing? Yeah. He's been told that Sydney knows he's going to be there. Gail's, like, got permission? Yeah, Gail's completely orchestrated and she hasn't at all. She's just like, I'm sure this will go great. So Sydney.

They end up having an argument. Sydney. Yeah. Not happy. And Sydney's friend says, did you get that on film? And the cameraman, Joel, goes, yes, I got that on film in this movie. I absolutely love it. Well, that's casting, though, isn't it? Yes, I got that on film. It's just, like, so funny. This is when Jimmy comes into it. So she. He bumps into Gail and he's really pissed off with her. What? Her book is just ripped him apart. Well, what's funny is that their character arcs.

And what's interesting about both their character arcs is that they both have an agenda which Fights against each other, but they are both in love with each other. It's so interesting because they both. One of them wants to exploit Sid and the situation for their own selfishness. The other one wants to help. Helps Sid, because they're. They're help. They like to help people, but they're both in love with each other. It's like a yin and yang.

She's selfish and he's selfless. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's so such an interesting character arcs, which I think is very well done. He basically says, I've read your book, and the way you describe me, the way you portray me, was horrendous. He says, you've got a cold storage shed where your heart should be. How do you know that my bumbling ineptitude isn't really a way of me lowering everyone's expectations of me so that I can effectively maneuver within any given. Situation, which is

a situation. In Scary Movie, played by Dewey, he's doing that. And at the end, he's actually does Usual Suspects and then stands up and walks out normally. And this is the bit where she. You can tell that she does love him because when he sort of says that little speech about affecting in any situation, she melts. And she reaches for his face. Oh, yeah. And he goes, what are you doing? She's like, I'm just trying to say sorry. What? I don't know what else you want me to say. But you can see

it, though. You can see true love in that. Yeah. And then we get cut to a frat house going on. Is that the house? Well, she. We'll see her in a moment. We're at a party, first of all, Sydney and her best friend Hayley are there. Did you get that on film? And they're wandering around. And there's a cameo here from Skeet Ulrich. Oh, really? Yeah. He's at the party. Even though he died in the first movie, obviously he's not in his character. But if you look closely, you see School Rich, he was on

set that day and was like, oh, can I be in this somewhere? And Wes was like, yeah, just be a frat boy at the party. That's so cool. It's really dope. If you. You can watch it on YouTube if you can't find it. It's on there somewhere. Nice. And yes, Sarah Michelle Geller is home alone while this party's going on. She's the designated. It's Faye. Black Christmas it is. She gets the phone call. Hello? Hello? Who's that? Ted, is that you? Who's Ted. Ted's her boyfriend. She's like, who's this guy?

Really good tension with this scene. Very Back Christmas. Yeah. See, this is. This scene I really like. I would rather almost this be the first scene scene, you know? And then he sort of chats through a little bit, and then he says, what are you doing tonight? And then she's asking and he goes, do you want to die tonight, cc? Yeah, we. That's what we need for the first scene. Now, apparently, Sarah Michelle Geller was the only person on set who spoke to.

What's his name? Roger Jackson. Is it his name? The guy that does the voice? Yeah, Roger Jackson. Because all the other cast were a bit scared of him because his voice. He'd do the voice to them. You know, they're having lunch or something. But Sarah Michelle Geller was going up to him all the time saying, oh, yeah, leave a voicemail for my friend. Do this, do that. And him and her

got on really well because she thought it was really, really funny. Obviously, she was shooting Buffy while this was going on as well, so she was really keen to do something a bit more adult, which is why she swears a few times and gets killed. And quite brutally killed, actually gets thrown off a balcony. So she tells her friend on the other line, I think my boyfriend's on the line. He's acting crazy, but he's also. Someone's telling me they're going to kill

me. And her girlfriend's like, cool, cool. Campus security. What are you doing? You know, we know that there's been some kills. Come on. So she then hears someone upstairs. Yeah. Oh, you pulled a strange face. Then I. I was looking at my notes. Her friend. Because I've. I've got a friend. Eyes and Jason. Sound effect. Her friend's on the phone and says, oh, that's it. Yeah, that's what she takes place on the phone. Right. Okay. Yes. Then she realizes that cece is actually genuinely quite scared.

So she goes upstairs and has a look around while she. When she comes back downstairs, we see Ghostface sneak in the door behind her. She doesn't see him, and he's locked himself in, which is great. Phone rings again, which really, really, really good, because it's. All of a sudden, we didn't. We were with. With the antagonist in this. No, the protagonist. Sorry. And we didn't know where Ghostface was. Then all of a sudden, Ghost Face comes in and we

see it. So we flipped from not knowing, and we know now where it is. So we're like, it's behind you. It's just kind of flipped it. It's nice. And what she doesn't know is she's going around locking all the doors and putting all the alarms on. She's locking herself. Locking herself in with the killer. So it is essentially taking, I think, influence from the. Say, are you alone? Is that. Have you checked the children? You know that one,

that movie? Yeah, yeah. And. And Black Christmas. I ain't taking those sort of ideas of the. The phone call, the house, being in the house. It's really good. I think it's really good. Almost. Craven, you know, was working and producing and directing when those sort of movies are coming out. So he knows. As should have been the opening scene. Really should have been. I. I agree. It's a decent scene taking people back. To the first one. Then you could have had the introduction to the

cinema and gone into that way. Been a lot better. Well, quite brutal here. He bursts out of a closet, which is quite a good jump scare. Stabs her in the chest, throws her through a window. We get a. Yeah. She gets stabbed on the balcony again a few more times, and then she's just thrown off the balcony to her death. Death. So it's pretty brutal. He's not just stabbing people, he's throwing them off balconies. So we're presuming who does the physical strength stuff. Is the second kit there not.

Whatever she's called? Yeah, not Nori Metcalfe. It's probably Timothy Oliphant. There you go, guys. Mickey is one of the other killers as well. Yeah, Mickey, the freaky Tarantino student. And she says very, very quickly. Then we get into it. She says that she met me, Mickey, on an Internet forum for, like, people who talk dark. And basically it's really easy to persuade into doing it. And so he. It's quite out of there, really. She must have said, right, you need to go to this college unroll and

make friends with all these people. I think he was probably already at the college, which is why she chose. Oh, okay. All right. I guess. And he was just like, okay, I'll go along with it. But it's just like. It's crazy. Anyway, he must be the one doing the physical fight and throwing people over because she. I don't think she's doing it. But you. I know you said you got the psycho power, but I just. I think. I presume. And she's doing the phone call stuff. Yeah, well, but that means

how the. Does she know some of the horror trivia? She knows she Must have. It's before the Internet. She must have been there, like, researching. Or. Or does she just. Just really like horror movies? Maybe she did because her kid liked Billy. Like horror movies? Maybe. I don't know. She showed up at Blockbuster every day renting out two films. I guess so. Because she obviously rocks the trivia because she does the Vanquish. All right. And I think, you know, there is. You do have to suspend your

disbelief. Okay. A little bit. You know, of course it's a movie. But we cut back to the parts that Sydney's out, and she's saying to her buddy Haley, I don't really want to be here, to be honest with you, before she can really leave. Oh, my God. Did you guys hear what happened? What? And this is where everybody finds out that CeCe has been killed. Sarah Michelle Geller, herself, Buffy. And there are reporters absolutely everywhere, including Gail, Debbie Salt. Dewey is there again.

The cameraman is there. He's very nervous. He's like. Like, hang on a minute. This is where he's really like, this is turning into something different. Yeah, I think I might. What? Might leave. She's like, roll some balls, Joel. Yeah, it's like the first one at the end when at the party, all of a sudden, like, the. The head teacher, the. Of the school's been killed. And they're like, yeah, it just basically turns into a free fall, like some crazy party thing because someone's

been killed. I seem to remember in whichever scary movie it is, there's a very funny cameraman in that as well. I can't quite remember now. It's been a long time since I've watched the scary movies. But there's a funny cameraman which obviously takes a piss out of Joel. So Sidney goes home alone, and her phone rings. Hello, Sidney. It's showtime. She's like, what the F? And Ghostface starts chasing around the house.

So straight away, they're cutting no corners here. Straight in there, chasing Sidney. Derek, though, he was outside. So again, the seeds have been planted, because she's starting to think, oh, my God, maybe this is Derek doing this. Derek, though, is trying to save her. He's, like, stood Sid. He's a big lad, you know, probably an American footballer or whatever. Dewey shows up as well. Dew runs up, all disabled, like. He kicks the door in and finds Derek with a

big cut on his arm. Why would the killer leave him undead, you know? Yeah, because the killer wants to plant these seeds and play with Sydney. That's why they didn't kill Sydney. And what's good is he's not playing just with Sydney, he's playing with us. Yeah, he's playing with us because we started thinking it's probably Derek and Dewey. Basically, he says later on what happened to him, which is in the third one

or something. He says he had severed nerves from the first one. So that's why he can't, you know, do everything straightforward. He's a bit, you know, disabled, like. So Sydney's having some deja vu about her boyfriend potentially being a killer. So all the kids get taken to the police station and interviewed. Mickey comforts Sid. He says that you know why and. He'Ll go to hospital, don't they? No, no, they're in the police station to be interviewed.

And he plants further seeds. And Sydney said by saying, of course it's strange that Derek got left alive. It's weird how strange because he is. Obviously, here's the one doing the killing. Yep. So Sid's now thinking, oh, I can't trust my own boyfriend. So the cops break down what happened, who died. And Gail's trying to figure out. Hang on a

minute, guy. Because she's in the room because she's. She knows so much about the case, she's quite a well established reporter, that she's in the room with the cops. She says, hang on a minute, guys. The names of all the victims are linked to the names of the people from Woodsboro that died two years ago. And then the cops like, are you saying we've got a copycat on our hand? Yeah. And they're like, well, either that or someone's paying homage to what originally

happened. So they're starting to figure out there's a bit of a pattern. Pattern now? Yeah. Sydney now meets up with Derek and basically dumps him. He's like, you trust me, right? She's like, no, she's. I don't think we should be seeing each other at the moment. And she tries to. She tries to do it in a nice way, doesn't she? Yeah, but if Sarah's. If Sarah was going through this, I'd be like, well, surely you need me to comfort you. And she's like, look, no, I just need.

I think we shouldn't be. Because it is a chance that you might be killed by other people and stuff like that. So you'd have to sort of respect the wishes. I know. And he does a little bit. Everyone is discussing Sydney and the possible killers. And she's got two FBI agents or CIA agents following around now everywhere she goes, you know, to make sure that nothing bad happens to her. She sits with her friends in the food hall of the college and Derek's there. And Derek, God, hell,

I was probably like. Like on a cold day where my testicles would go inside themselves. I imagine in the cinema watching this. I sort of went into this cringe ball. Hide it to myself. I think, I love you. Me. This. This would be what Sarah would. If I ask Sarah to watch this, she, at this point here, she'd look at me with eyes like, I'm going to eat your face in a bad way. Oh, absolutely. It's not in a sexy way. And. And because of that reason, it's so cringe every time

I'm like you. You. Yeah, it is cringe, but. But, but the point in it is that he wants to show Sid. He'll throw himself, take that cringe factor out. That's what he said. And it is cringy. But everyone claps him. And then he gives her his Greek letters on a necklace, which is a sign which. Basically the letters of her. His. His fraternity thing. Yeah, because we don't have that stuff in England. And that's a bad thing. Apparently. He's probably gonna get beaten up by the brothers or at

least have. Have pranks done to him. Now, just before this happened, we had Debbie, the other killer, who's the local press, outside trying to ask questions and saying stuff to go, etc. And then Gail goes, well, whatever, and walks away or whoever it was she's talking to. And then she talks to the other press. So we've got. It's quite cool in a way. You've got the other kid who's with her doing the killings, planting seeds. She is planting

seeds with the press. Yeah. That's fucking great. Because if she gets oppressed to go, oh, that's right, they write that down going, there could be this. That already puts other people, normal people who read the papers thinking, oh, it can't be that. And so planting seed there as well was genius. And we now get Tori Spelling, as Tori Spelling being interviewed on TV, who is the star of Stab 1. She's been interviewed about.

Oh, it's so great to be involved in this film, you know. And you know, I know that David Schwimmer is going to be involved, so there's a funny little joke there as well, because obviously David Schwimmer and Courtney Cox, etc. Etc. So you talk about that going back to that cafeteria. Cringeworthy. I thought I was watching. I was thinking, I remember my college, my sixth form college, if Someone got up in a chain thing, did. The guy up on table did

that. They'd have at least a couple of chairs thrown at their head, them smashed onto the floor, bleeding. People would just, like, walk over them and throw burgers on them or whatever. That's what would happen in England, I. Think, if that happened. You just wouldn't happen, would it? They'd been taken out. It's a great moment in some ways. The reporter says, well, let's see a scene from your new movie, Stab, Tori Spelling. And they show a clip where Tori Spelling and Luke.

Almost doing, like, some surfer Keanu Reeves impression. He's got, like, the curtains. Yeah. And, yeah. Basically reenacting, in a really cheesy way, one of the scenes from Scream 1. That's so funny. And while that's happening, Randy, this is where he breaks down the sequel rules, which we've already covered. So I'm not going to go over those again. And who the killer could be. This is between him and Dewey. He says they go for the suspects. He says, anyone's a suspect. And he's like,

so you could be a suspect, Randy. And Randy's like, well, yeah, but if I'm a suspect, then you're a suspect, Dewey. And he's like, good point. Let's move on. There's a funny little moment. Yeah. Jimmy's got a great character. That's why. That's why he still keeps coming back. I love the bit. Now we've got, like, Gail's reporter, and he's saying some stuff like, I read what I'm saying, like I said earlier, read what happened to you lost the cameraman. I love what he says, though.

Sorry. Oh, let me just say this. Let me just say this because I want to report the news, not be the news. Yeah, that's brilliant. Well, yeah. So just before he quits, just at the end of that scene between Dewey and Randy, he says he starts breaking down all the different people that he could be, literally naming everyone in the film Mickey, the freaky Tarantino film student who we know it is going to be. But he also says Gale. And he's like, gail Weathers. Dewey's like,

gail Weathers. And Randy's like, yeah, think about it. Everywhere she goes, there's murder. And I thought of Jessica Fletcher, because everywhere she goes on Murder, She Wrote, someone dies. And I thought, yeah, maybe it could be. No wonder they suspect that. You know, that's what I want to make the ultimate Jessica Fletcher movie. And it's Jessica Fletcher as the killer. He says, maybe she wants to write a second book, Dewey, and this is her way of

doing it, you know. Yeah, but that. You're right. So the next. Sorry to cut your back. Go back. But it was just that. It was just the new. The cameraman's just still getting cold feet, basically, about being the cameraman. He says, I've read the book, man. Sid's at her theater class, and all of this feels like a lot of fluff. It really does. It takes a while. She goes on stage, and then she has a thing, and it's. It's a bit. But this is a chance for David Warner to come in. It is David

Warner, who. I was just looking for his name. As a drama teacher, and it's called. David Warner, Omen and many other sort of great films. And he. She says she's playing Cassandra. I think the character's name is the lead in an sort of a very operatic drama production. She's telling him, I think I'm gonna quit because I'm so anxious about everything that's going on. And he says to her, use these emotions. She's one of the most powerful women in

theater. Her characters in theater. Use your emotions when you're on stage. I don't think you should quit. Use the pain in your role. She's like, all right, David Warner, because you're David Warner. All right, I'll do it. So they have a rehearsal, the dress rehearsal, and everyone's wearing these masks, and Sid is the lead, sort of a God character, comes down on a. Almost a crucifix above her and points. It's. It does the. Basically the rehearsal, and it goes on for a

while, and it is a lot of love. It really is, but it's. It kick starts, major ptsd, because everybody there has got a mask on, and they're all swinging these fake knives. Exactly the reason she said she didn't want to do that. Exactly the reason he's like, use it. Go on, use it. David Warner tells you to do it. Come on, Sidney. So she freaks out because she thinks. Or does she see a ghost face mask? We don't know. Maybe someone snuck in there. No, I think it's a shock. She. She stops.

She says cut or whatever, and she runs off backstage, and Derek's there, and she's like her boyfriend, what are you doing here? She doesn't trust and said, we should have a bit of a moment, guys. Yeah, yeah. How long have you been here? And he says, oh, I just got here. She said, I thought. I thought Mickey was doing it. No, no, no, it's me. We swap shifts. So I'm backstage today. Oh, okay. Because she's now thinking, was he just on stage trying to freak me

out with a knife and a ghost face mask? And this is where she says, yeah, I need some distance from you. And he's really pissed off, you know, obviously, but what can you do? I stood on a cafeteria table and sang to you. He gives a line later on. It really breaks me when he says that. He says, I would never have hurt you. As he dies. And it's just like, man, you should have kept with him because he's a big buff guy and

he could have really looked after you. But she didn't know. She's suspicious. What can you do? Cameraman and now says to Gail this. I'm out. Yeah, Gail, Dewey and Randy discuss who's next, who might die next. And this is where you're right. The cameraman quits. Gail's phone rings. Hello? Maybe it's the cameraman. Randy picks it up. Yeah. Oh, it's for you. And it's Ghostface. And they say to Randy, keep him on the phone, Keep him on the phone. So Dewey and Courtney Cox are running around anyone

on a mobile phone. And they're easy to spot in 1997. Cause the phones were fucking massive back then. Anytime they see someone on a mobile phone, they basically going around rugby tackling innocent students who are on their mobile phones. They're trying to find out if it's someone in the vicinity. Singly walks around campus just like looking at people thinking it might be as well. But he's

the one on the phone keeping ghost face on the phone. And I think this is an amazing bit of acting from him. Yeah. Randy, what's his character's name? What's his real name again? Jamie Kennedy. Kennedy. He's saying, he says to him, what's your favorite scary movie? And he's sort of really trying to keep him on the phone. And he's going, my scary movies. Showgirls. Terrifying. And then he starts saying something like, you're. You would never. You always lived in Billy's shadow. And he

goes, you. Billy was a small time piece of. And they have this argument backwards and forwards and backwards. And that's obviously Billy's mum. Yeah. Talking. Yeah, no, it's. Oh, yeah, it is. Because she does the talking and the other one does. She kills him in the van. So she does the killing. She. So this. She might be in the van on the phone at this point. I don't know or Maybe they're both not together at that point. Maybe then he's pulled into the news reporter's van, the cameraman's van,

and slashed to bits. And we know it's her. That does it because there's an image of her on the screen. She was just re watching some of her footage. Oh, and there's. There's another clue account. She instantly, after this scene goes in and does the whole. Stays as the killer. How did she get the van? No one knows her. Anyway, she stays as the killer and has fights. Now Gal and Dewey in the next scene. So where's the other one? Why aren't he doing anything?

There's a great zoom, sort of crash zoom on Gale when they slide open the van door and they see Randy's body. And she does a classic Hitchcock scream as the camera bangs right into her face. And Joel faints and yeah, he quits not long after this. So we've lost Randy Gav. We have lost one of our major characters from the screen family, which is crazy. And they've done it. And we cut to the library. Yes,

I'm wrong. The next scene's live. Said, yeah, Sydney's in the library back in the day when, you know, there wasn't much Internet. And she gets an instant message from somebody. Yeah. And the guy next to him. So it's like, she's like, what's going on? And he's like, well, you've got an instant message. She goes, I'm not online. This is like early Internet going online. And she's like, I'm not online. He said, oh, that means it's a local network.

So that means that someone in this room is trying to send you a message for another terminal, another computer. So she opens the message and it says, you're gonna die tonight. On the message, she stands up and screams the FBI run over. And the whole time she's had these two FBI agents on her, we should have said, which had been assigned to look after her. The boyfriend. We did mention it for briefly. And they're these stick. They stick right out. They just

wandering around because they're two. 40 year old men in suits. And anyway, so she gets this message. She's like, oh my God. So they go, they look a bit. Oh my God. They take her over, away from her, from them. And both go and look over computers. No, one of you stay with Sid possibly because the killer is here. He's just said, I'm here. That. And one of you looked the computers. It's just like, what are you doing? Anyway, that's what happens. Well, let's pause it there a sec.

Who didn't have a crush on Neve Campbell? And scream. And scream, too. She's beautiful. Dropping that in. Okay, all right. Anyway, so she's at the side, and. Then who sneaks up on her to a little chitty chat? Gotten weary. Hey, Sid, can I speak to a minute? Just pause around the corner full on. He is just hassling her continuously, saying, I've got an hour interview with a famous TV show. Yeah. So she said, we can have an hour if you come on with me. She's like,

well, no. Off. He starts off kind of apologizing, saying, look, I'm really sorry about earlier. Gail told me that you knew I was going to be here. Anyway, enough of that. Diane Sawyer. Diane Sawyer wants us on her show. And it's kind of the way he is with her is kind of like blokes who are just drunk or whatever trying to on with women, and they're sexually harassing or whatever, and they just keep trying and going and going. It gets to the

point where he pushes her down the stairs. A bit like the security the FBI agents are. They are. So she's on a staircase getting pushed down it by a guy at the moment, and they're looking on computer. Computer screens like, you are fired. You're at your jobs. She says no several times to Diane Sawyer interview, which he gets more and more angry and starts shouting. And she comes out there and he grabs her in front of the whole library. And that's where the FBI guys

tackle him and arrest him because they think, well, it must be him. Then, well done. Cut to the police station, and they're questioning Cotton. And he. He knows he's got an airtight alibaba. He's like, what are you talking about? Like, did you not know that I was acquitted? I'm not. I'm not the murderer. You've got the wrong guy. And I also know my rights. So they let him go free. He speaks to Gail

briefly, is pissed off with her, too. And as he leaves, I think he gives his card to Sydney and says, if you, you know, here's my number if you do change your mind about the Diane Sawyer interview. And then he leaves. And that's the last we see of him for a little bit. So Sydney goes home. Gail gets questioned again by more reporters, specifically Debbie Salter, who. Who argues with her. Sorry, Debbie Salt, who argues with her in front of all the reporters. This is where Joel quits.

He says, you're on your own. You've got your own camera now I'm out of here. And Gail says to Dewey, I just want to find this. And then she says, says, I know the killer could be on the tapes because she's got Joel's camera. And she says, I asked Joel to shoot loads of crowd footage, and if the killer is watching everything, there's a good chance he is on these tapes. Let's go and watch these tapes. That's a ridiculous

long shot. That's like. That could be days of sitting there watching the screen. It's ridiculous. It's such a ridiculous. It's not. It's not a thing. You do that instant try and find a killer. That's a ridiculous, ridiculous thing to think. So night time comes and Dewey and Gail sneak into the college, into the sort of film section where all the film equipment is, and they want to go and watch the tapes. And their chemistry is there again. You know, they're sneaking about.

They. They accidentally bump heads when they bend down. So what's the plan? Okay, so then they, oh, look. Look at that person over there. They're not going to see Ghost Face amongst the people, are they? And even if they do that, doesn't tell them who the killer is. So what they could do, they go, that bloke there, he looks dodgy, doesn't he? He could be the killer. Right, who is he? I don't know. Let's go take a photo.

How are we gonna do that? Don't know. Right, let's go get someone from reception to come in. Who's that? That's Bob. What's he doing? He's the caretaker. No, he's with me. He's not a killer. Right, next person. Let's carry on watching. It's all they've got to get on. Ridiculous. You bunch of cunts. But this scene is. There's great writing by Kevin Williamson

and great acting from these two. And obviously they had real chemistry because they then re watch their argument that they didn't realize Joel had recorded from earlier. And she says, oh, you're kind of cute and you're angry. And he's like, well, you made me angry. And then they end up kissing and then they end up getting it on on the desk. They almost get down to the nitty gritty, don't they? But then all of a sudden, the footage switches to them

on the desk and someone is filming them. Ghostface is making a little pawn of his own. Yeah, he's like, ah. Dewey and Gail go at it. Maybe he's good. Direct them with the voice box. Can you give a few directions with the ghost face voice? Think, think, think. You're P. Diddy sitting in the corner. Hello. Hello, Gail, I want you to ride. Ride like the wind, Gail Weathers. Oh, that's right, Dewey. Yeah. I want you to give her a limp. That's right. They also

see on the footage, not just them. Then it cuts to Randy getting killed. So they've seen someone, whoever it was killed Randy and got it on tape as well. So Dewey's like, wait here. And he runs off with his limbs trying to find the kill. So did they find the killer on their videotapes? No, the killer found them. Well done, guys. You basically brought the killer to you. And of course, while Dewey's off running around as quickly as a limping man, the killer,

Ghostface, pops up behind Gail and starts chasing her. So she runs in a soundproof studio. So, like, when so good, there's loads of bits where you can't hear, obviously, from one room to the next. Next, there's a great. Again, a great bit of tension here where she sees. And this must be. This must be Debbie, the lady doing all this action, by the way. Yeah, yeah. Which doesn't. Which I don't believe, but okay, she. So she sees her on

the other side of the glass. Ghost face on the other side of the glass. But he doesn't see her initially, or they don't see her initially. Then they do. Then they're trying to break the door in. She bangs on the glass. She sees Dewey. Dewey. But Dewey can't hear her because he's in a soundproof booth and he doesn't know Ghostface is coming up behind him with a great big knife. So he gets stabbed. Heartbreaking scene as he sort of slams his face into the glass

and slides down the glass. Jerry is a few more severed nerves for you. Yeah, he gets reversed as he goes through the films. I know by the end of, like, if he comes back in, like, Scream 10, it would just be a head in a jar. Be on a wheelchair. You're right. He's like, hello. Don't know why he turned into Alan Rickman. Hello? Random as Jul. So, yeah, it looks like Dewey's dead, so that's no good. But he's not, so it's fine. It's all right.

She manages to block the door, and the killer eventually leaves her alone. Cut back to Derek and Sid. Now, the FBI are taking Sid away to a safe house. So Sid's like, bye, Derek. And he's like. Yeah, by them. So he still kind of. He still loves her but then he's. Grabbed by some blokes and it's the. Frat bros. Frat bros. Frat bros. Kick kick, kick kick. He gets tied to the sort of crucifix thing on the stage that the godlike character is on, stripped off,

gets booze poured down his trousers. He gets. It's force fed tequila. All of this because he gave his necklace to his girlfriend. It's funny, there's a lot of drinking games but again in England you wouldn't have fraternities and all this stuff. It's, it's. You don't have them, do you? No, we don't really have them though. No, we don't. Don't get me wrong, students here are crazy and do crazy things. Oh yeah. Just different ways. Yeah. I used to enjoy

back in the day when I was younger and someone beat university. But like what we doing this weekend? We're going to the. That university for the weekend. We sleep in the dorms, we get wasted and whatever happens, brilliant. I remember I never went to university but I went to college but my girlfriend was at university back in the day and she had a. What they called a yellow card. So a lot of the bars. Yellow card. It was a. Yeah, you were in the student union and every.

It was a pound a pint. Yeah, one pint these days it's about five or six pounds for a pint. Yeah, behind the pint back then. Just annihilating people. Yeah, we were all getting smashed. I remember going into shows with a couple of buddies and we all. I said, hey top, we've done it. We all drank a bottle of champagne each and then hit the town. So we hit the town. The first place we got to a student union, we went in there and we were thrown out within five minutes.

The bouncers had us run out because one of my friends went straight behind the bar, put his head under and started pulling the town apple cuz we were from Champagne. And then. Yeah, then I was walking through a car park just ween. Just walking through the car park. People walking towards me doing their shopping trolleys and I'm just walking through, just wean. And then we nearly got into a massive fight and then I don't remember the rest of the night. And this is why,

Gavin, I don't drink anymore. This why I don't drink, especially champagne. Yeah, well Derek is smashed, pissed, really drunk, tied to this crucifix and we end that scene there and we cut to the cops with Sidney and Hayley in a car. Now this is probably one of my favorite scenes in all of the Scream movies, particularly for tension. Because one of the cop. They stop at some lights and suddenly Ghostface appears and kills one of the cops through the glass, through the window.

And the other one seems to get thrown out of the car, but he's not. So ghost face gets in the police car. FBI agents are so at their job. They're in the car, about to give Sydney and her friend a lift home. They're in the front, Sydney's in the back. You think they're gonna be safe? Ghostface breaks in and kills them. Either Roseanne's sister or a 21 year old student has pulled one of them out of a window of the car car and gets

in the car and starts driving the police car away. He runs over the remaining FBI agent whose face gets fifth kebab. So a piece of metal. So the car goes flying off of the two girls in the front back. And then they're stuck. They can't get out, can't open the door. There's a cage between them in the front and it's out of control of the other agent and ghost faces. And then it crashes. And I love this tent. Quite a good tension moment for sure.

Because Ghostface is unconscious in the front seat, potentially dead. They don't know. It's been good in the cinema. This scene, the FBI agent's face has been skewered through the windscreen. The only way out is to rip off the. The sort of fencing between the back seats where you put people who've been arrested and climb out. But you've got to climb over the body of Ghostface to get out the window. They don't know if he's dead, if he's alive. It's good tension.

So Sid just manages to climb over him. She accidentally beeps the horn, which is a bit cliched, but whatever. She does it. And then she says to Haley, well, you're gonna have to do it as well. Now he's like, oh, oh, can she. Not open the door from the outside? She couldn't. No. She could open it. Okay. She tried, didn't she? So she does it. She climbs out and then they start running off. And then Sid stops. I need to know who it is. Which makes sense, I guess it's.

It's fight or flight. So she fly flighted. And then she. A second she's like, we need to know. It does make sense. And they go back and the body Is no longer in the car. And while Sid is away from Haley. She says as well, though Sid says to just make it more for the audience. I need to know who. I need to see his face, she says. And it's like his. Come on. So it is. I think that's planting a little seed for the audience as well. And Haley is stood near a corner. The corner of

the block. Yeah. The killer's gone quite far away. And the corner jumps out, jumps out. I'm going to stab you. Why is that how he talks? It's the new scream I've heard. It's awful. Hello. What's your favorite scary movie? What's your scariest movie? That'd be brilliant. Christopher Walken would be the best. Ghost face, I think. What's your scariest movie? Hey, see it? Do you wanna see it die tonight? That'd be good. Be good. Again with AI.

We will be making. Don't worry, we can remix. I'm gonna be a. Like a dj. I'm gonna be a movie dj. Just have everyone just doing the voices. Be great. Let's. Your favorite scary movie. Predator. Correct answer. We cut back to G. She finds Cotton covered in blood, saying, I found Dewey. And she's like, it must be you, Cotton person. Yeah. And he said, no, no, no. Then he realizes I'm covered in blood. I've told her I found Dewey, who's dying.

He doesn't get to tell her that he's not dead. Right. She just runs away. She runs away and finds outside Debbie, the news reporter who has just been inside running around killing people, has come outside, taking the costume off. Got back to her. She was. Looks absolutely fine. It's just in this fake news report. It's like, wow. She says, I need to use that phone immediately. Debbie, she says, why? She says,

because Cotton Weary is the killer. So when I realized that she must be the killer of the last scene, I actually rebound it and went back and watched that scene. I was like, no. No way is she doing these, this, this stuff. But why isn't it Timothy Oliphant? There is a reason. I remember watching it and I thought about that. That because there is. Where is he? There is a piece of trivia on IMDb that tells you who did what.

Oh, maybe, maybe, maybe. I'm sure it's been worked out. It just. I don't know. A little piece of trivia for you. Because now the killer starts up the rehearsal music from the. The play. The stage play. Danny Elfman was drafted in to write this piece of Music. Just this one little piece of score. Interesting. So the music starts up and all the sort of thunder and lightning effects and Sydney walks into the theater. It's all very dramatic.

And I think the intention here, from what I've read, is because the last part of this now all takes place on a stage in a drama school. And it is all intended to be like a drama production with everybody on being on stage being very dramatic and shouting at each other. So she walks in a big spot, like blinds her. She gets trapped on stage by all the set as it all gets dropped down on wires. And then Derek gets dropped down in a cross and he's wearing just like a

pair of pants basically. And he's absolutely hammered. He's like, Sid, how long have I been up there? Jesus Christ. Been drinking tequila hours. Yeah. Tape it over his mouth. And she pulls it off. Yeah, yeah. And. But she, he's tied up there, stuck. And then the killer turns up. Killer turns up, takes the stage and immediately reveals himself to be I'm your friend, Mickey. Timothy Oliphant. And he, he actually still is planting these seeds by saying,

we got her, buddy, we got her. Derek's like, it's like, I'm well drunk, but no, this isn't it. And then he shoots him in the chest. Well, yeah. And yeah. And he, because he's saying sit untimely, beginning get shot. And this is where he dies and says, I would never hurt you. Well, Mickey start saying that he's really excited about the Troll cuz he's going to blame films.

And it's like people like that twat are the ones that get the a film ban of the 80s ridiculousness because he's going to go into court and say films did it, which puts a slur on films. So you. My. There's an, there's an incredible, incredible monologue from Timothy Olyphant here where he rambles on, like you said, about his alibi. I'm gonna blame it on the movies. And then I'm gonna do this and then I'm gonna do that. And he's got it all planned out in his head. He's very deranged. She manages

to fight back and he pulls a gun on her. And then Gale appears with who she thinks is Debbie Salt, turns out to be Billy's mum, Billy Loomis mum, Mrs. Loomis. And she reveals herself to be a partner and they're the killers together. But she kills her partner, Mickey. She kills him. So there's another twist. She's like his idea is stupid. Going to court, banning films, blaming films. That's ridiculous. So she kills Mickey, but Mickey gets

a shot off, which shoots Gale. Gale falls off the stage. Sid runs into control room and starts acting the controls and makes it all dramatic. Sick. And. And girl, this. Debbie's there going, oh, there's a. Oh, there's a props prop. Ocean wave hitting me. Oh, there's a bit of lightning. Oh, and she's like falling all over the place, like, come on. Wes Craven said he gave direction to Lori Metcalf to go watch the first Friday the 13th movie. And you can really feel that she's channeling

Mrs. Voorhees here. She says things down. You killed my son. He was a good boy. He was a good boy. And they. They fight a little bit more. Sydney grabs an axe and eventually Debbie is killed. Well, we think killed by a set of falling rocks from the stage, but she's still alive. And they fight a little bit more. And then who steps up to be the hero? Cotton Weary. Right. Why is Cotton the grown man? The grown man who's been in prison, wandered around a university or,

sorry, campus of young children. Well, young adults. Why. Why is he doing that? Why is he still there, just wandering around like, oh, I just thought. Wander into this place here. Yeah, but he just framed Dewey, didn't he? Dying. So, you know, why is he there? Why has he not gone home? Still trying to hassle said, I suppose, is Diane Sawyer. He's a weird man. Basically. He's filled in on the plot today at this point, and he. He shoots. Does he shoot Debbie? Oh, no. Debbie grabs and

says. She says to. She goes in. She's basically the corn. Come on, dude, get in on this. Is what she's saying to him. And he's like, I could do, couldn't I? Because that made, like, you know, famous. And he says, yeah. And he points the gun at Sydney and he's. You're thinking for a moment, is he going to do this? And then Sydney goes, consider that. Diane Sawyer interviewer. It's so bad that he is such a. Though. He's like, oh, I could just innocently join this. He's not going to

do it. I don't think. I don't think he probably wasn't. But when Sid says, consider it done, that interview, and he goes, fine. Boom, he shoots her. It's like afterwards, if I said I'd be like you, man. You didn't just save me straight away. You had to wait for me to say that. Absolutely no interview. Leave Schreiber is amazing. And, and I love this moment. Just after he's killed Debbie Salter and he just goes, that was intense in this.

In the third movie he insisted taking his jacket off because he'd been working out. Yeah. Cuz he was going to be in the new X Men movie. And I watched it and it's like, okay, I suppose a little bit. But you still got your top on. It just seems to be, I don't know, weird thing. Weird thing to do. Weird thing to do. However, Gail is still alive. Gail, whether she climbs back up on the stage.

Sydney grabs a gun and says, I'll shoot Mickey in the head this time just to make sure because you know, they always come back alive. And then Debbie's still alive, so he shoots her in the head. Joel shows back up outside with the camera. The girl's cameraman. Yeah. He's just like. All of a sudden he's like, oh, I'm back again now. He must have just left. I don't know where he's gone back to how far it took him traveling. Sat down on the news and said, the killer's

been killed now in seconds. Even if it. I don't even know actually how they did that. He must have known somehow. He's back there saying, I want to be a camera now. What is his motive? Is he trying to get into the fight? He wants the glory. He wants the glory. So he's just as bad as Gail. Anyway, while they're all sort of outside patching things up, who does Gail Weather see walking on a stretcher? Dewey is still alive. Gail jumps in his ambulance with him and he says, apparently my

scar tissue helped with the stab. So it didn't. Didn't. Wasn't able to penetrate deeply because I've already got scar tissue on my back. And off they go in the ambulance. Sydney says to the reporters, well, I'm not the hero. She throws a bone to Cotton. Cotton is the hero. So they all saw in Cotton. He says, there's a great movie to be made to told here story. But everything's a price. It's like, oh God.

It just goes back to this guy being a cunt. And then we end it's taken out of the movie with the most horrible song possible. I can't remember it because I don't want to. It was awful. It's a song by Creed. It's a amazing song. I. I don't know what the song was. I've never heard this song apart from this movie and one listed the Other day, I was like, what, is it cheesy, but is it good? You say it's good. It's good night. And then it ends.

Unfortunately, opposite ends. Yeah. We see the brilliant Kevin Williamson's name pop up. Then we see Bob and Harvey Weinstein's names pop up. He's just been trolled again yesterday for more offenses. I saw that and I saw him, like, hopping along. He. He's gonna be his roommate. Cell mates with Diddy and he. Or something. You know, I don't. Well, not to get on to all this stuff, but on the. In the trial at the moment, Diddy's on. One of the texts he got

at one point was this lady saying to him. I don't know, it was Cassie or someone saying to him, I had a horrible nightmare last night. I was stuck in a lift with R. Kelly and you saved me. Imagine that, being stuck in the lift with a. The urinating R. Kelly. And who's gonna save you, P. And who's gonna save you? The pervy P. Diddy. Perv. Diddy. Oh, God. Would you rather be stuck in the lift with R. Kelly or P. Diddy? R. Kelly. He's not gonna.

He's not gonna get freaky on me. He's. Well, he's gonna piss on me, but he's not gonna get proper freaky on me. Like R. Kelly. P. Diddy. It's all letters in it. He did eat R. Kelly. Yeah, but. Yeah, because, like, one's freaky, but one's freaky. Anyway, I think R. Kelly's a bit more than freaky. He had a prostitute ring of sex slaves who were all underaged. Okay. Some of whom he pissed on. It's weird. Anyway, that's. That scream two. That scream two.

I give it a thumbs up. I give it a thumbs up if you haven't seen it, but only if you're a slasher, a fan. And you obviously want to follow this, the films. But I think it should have been cut down. And obviously it smells of being rushed at times, but there is some good in it for sure. Some of the kills could be bit better. Like I said, that second kill scene should have been the opening. Jada shouldn't be in it. Take that name out your mouth.

And yeah, it's all right, Dan. Your crit. Your criticism of it, which is also not a criticism of criticism of it makes me like it even more, which is I appreciate it even more when you realize they bang this out in a year. A year after the first one. Yes and no. It's a decent job. I mean, if they'd have had another year, of course, it would have been probably a little bit better. But I really rate this,

this movie in the scream series. Probably 1, then 2, and then maybe 5 are my favorite 3 from the whole series. Well, I'd go 1, 4, 3, 2. Fair enough. I'd go, well, talking of ghost face, Bill Murray's just walked in the room wearing his. Bill, that. No, that isn't a knife, is it? That's a big wobbly dildo. You want to reenact the scene from Scary Movie with me, Bill? I haven't got a toilet cubicle in my house, so that's not going to happen. Can you just take us into word of the

Strange? You City man. Hi, welcome back to World of the Strange. World of the Strange. Hello, Sydney. This is World of the Strange. World of the Alan Rickman Strange. Welcome. Thank you, Bill. We should do another segment. World of the Sausage. Why did I. World of the Sausage. Fantastic. So before we get into some screamy meta related trivia and World of the Strangeness Strange, just wanted to tell you a couple of weird things that have happened in my

spooky old house in the last couple of weeks. Yes, please. I love your little spooky events. Yeah. So there's been a few spooky things happening in my house. For anyone who hasn't heard, we used to have the shadow man come to visit us quite a lot, but he seems to have gone away until recently. Now, the last couple of weeks. As I've mentioned earlier in this episode, my children get up very early the last couple of weeks in the mornings when I've been carrying Edith downstairs

because she insists on being carried. She can go down on her own, but in the morning she wants daddy to carry her. She tells me that Mr. Nobody is coming down the stairs behind us. Us. And I said, well, who's Mr. Nobody? She and I just played along with it for the first day or so, but she says, oh, he's, he's behind us. He's right behind us on the stairs. And I turned around one of the times and I said, come on, there's no one there. And she said,

when you turn around, he goes away. It's only when you're facing forwards and coming down the stairs carrying me that you can't see him. Get your phone Now. She said it three or four times in the last two weeks. Mr. Nobody. So that's why we joke about it. Yeah, go get your phone out and. Sneakily just film it now, the other thing that happened is I've been talking about how deep I've been sleeping, but I Woke up about 3am Was it 5:33? It wasn't. I don't think it was.

Anyway, I was on my own in the bed because Alice was sleeping in with the kids. So I was on my own in our bedroom and I woke up and there was. Is it a Dan Hatcourt episode in Ghostbusters? No, there was somebody in my bedroom. There was a. There was a. I can't explain it. There was a black. Like a shadow, but it wasn't a shadow. Stood next to the bed, literally two feet from my head, really? And I was looking at this. Were you trying to think, Is that. Is that Alice? Is it

the kids? Were you trying to work out what it was? Yeah. And it was like looking at black smoke, but black smoke that wasn't moving. Like that black smoke that was just there. And the more I looked at this black shape, the more I knew it was some. Like it was something, someone. There isn't. But honestly, the more I looked into this, the more it felt like I was looking into a hole as well. Like there was a hole in the wall, but it wasn't. It was. It was so close to my face and it. And I was.

I wasn't scared. The weird thing was I was just trying to. I just couldn't see it. It's so hard to explain. Even though I was awake and my eyes were open, I was just looking at it and I couldn't see what it was. It was like they blurred. You know when they blur somebody out on a fit on the news. It was like that. Yeah. And I just couldn't. And it was just there for a good minute or so. And eventually I sort of rubbed my eyes and turned

the light on and there was nothing there then. But there was a hundred percent something. An entity stood two feet from me. And this shape was a person. And it was like black smoke. Nice. Really weird. But the smoke wasn't moving. Did you do devil horns and go. Yeah. No. No. I just got up and went downstairs and made a coffee. At what point did it vanish? Then it was somewhere. It was just before I turned the light on. Really. I kind of.

As soon as I started sitting up a bit, it was like it started getting smaller until it shrank down into nothing. That's how it felt anyway. It felt like it just went into nothing. It wasn't. It wasn't you dreaming? No, because I was awake. I was definitely awake because I Was really. I sat up on my elbow and was really staring at it, thinking, I can't see what I'm looking at. Is this a ghost? Is this. Is it a powerful present fart? Jesus. If I've done one in my sleep that's created black smoke,

then probably. Let's go and get checked out. It is a problem. The. The dreaded black smoke fart. Well, I don't know if it's tied into Mr. Nobody, who seems to have appeared in our house in the last couple of weeks, but apparently. Get that camera behind you, man. Get that. Just get your phone over your other shoulder while you're holding.

Just get it ready. When she. When you can pick her up, have your phone over your shoulder ready and just record and walk down and let her do that and just see what happens and I'll try and do it tomorrow morning. I love the fact that the moment you're about to play it back, you're gonna be like. It's like Christmas Day with my presents. I don't know what I'm gonna. What's my present gonna be? What am I gonna see here? You're probably not gonna see anything. Is 99.99999 chance.

You're not gonna see a thing. It's just funny that she's only just turned four and she's to make that up. She's. Right. Let's move on from that. Now. We've been covering Scream 2 and we will be covering Scream 3. I've been secretly sending a message saying, when. When Daddy picks you up. Yeah, Mr. Nobody's coming downstairs. But that's a really good name for a spooky thing. Should we make a movie called Mr. Nobody? It's good, isn't it? It's quite good, actually. Trademark Deadbolt Films.

Copyright. Now, before we get into our main story for God of the Strange, just wanted to quickly touch on the painting called the Screen by edouard Munch from 1893, which is the influence for the screen mask, obviously the ghost face mask. We all know that painting of a man with his hands on either side of his cheeks, sort of screaming. It's a great painting. I was just wondering what it meant and

where it came from. And apparently it came from the artist Edward having a panic attack one day and hearing a scream that just went on what he thought was going to be forever inside his head. And he had this crazy panic attack. He was walking along with his friends along the canal. Did he have a mental breakdown? I don't think he did, but he Said he got home and just instantly painted the pain that he felt and the. How he felt during that. Yeah, yeah,

It's. It's. It's a wonderful thing as a creative person. Just like having some massive emotional thing, being good or bad, and then creatively just there and it all out is such a release. Apparently he did end up having a nervous breakdown eventually. It sounds like he had one then. You can imagine in 1893, they didn't really know what panic attacks or anxiety attacks were. No, of course not. So he thought he was dying. You know, I've had panic attacks, as have you. And you do think you were

dying the first time, especially when you really ever have one. Yeah, he said to him the sky turned red and everything started screaming inside his head and outside, and he sort of just fell to the floor and his friends helped him home. But anyway, that is the story of the painting. So next time you see it, that is what a panic attack looks like. Oh, God. I don't. I don't want to see that. But let's keep it meta and let's move on to the main story. Life imitates art.

Movies that have inspired real life crimes. You ready for this? Go. Okay, so Clockwork Orange, we've covered it recently. This is why Kubrick wanted to. What he did put it out. He didn't want it to do this. This is his reasoning. So in. In 1973, a British teenager was reported to have killed a homeless man by kicking him to death. So 73. So that means the movie was out and this happened then he pulled it from this event? I believe so. Must have been. And also a second

incident in. In the UK where a gang tried to kill a homeless man by kicking him to death. And he didn't succeed this time. So this is part of the reason that Kubrick pulled it, because of that movie. I didn't realize. I thought he was just worried something might happen. I didn't realize something had actually happened. No. Isn't that crazy? Yes. Isn't that crazy? Next, the Exorcist. I was trying to do Ju. Bells. My brain was like, what the is

Jupiter Bells? So obviously, this film released in the early 70s, we all know the story, but in 1980, a lady called Patricia Fraser in Texas. What? Patricia Pat or Patty Fraser in Texas watched the film and then believed that her daughter was possessed by a demon. She tried to kill her daughter. She tried to burn her and kill her, and she was basically put in prison. And she blamed the Exorcist. Well, she obviously had mental health issues and probably prison is

probably not the best place. But it was only a matter of time. And that film would not been the catalyst. Something else would have been eaten. The next catalyst. Listen to next week, Cameron. Yeah, well, here's another one for me and you. And Tomorrow's Friday the 13th. It is tomorrow.

Yeah. As we record this now, in 1988, somebody called Mark Branch, who was a big fan of the Friday the 13th films, bought himself a hockey mask and he went round to a psychology student, a lady called Sharon, that he knew and murdered her whilst wearing the hockey mask, thinking, I want to reenact Jason. He then killed himself shortly after the crime and confessed in a note. He didn't write that, did he? Imagine if he did. P.S.

the cops would be like, they've never seen it. Like he's written the note in the next. So we killed that woman. Okay. Oh, hang on. P.S. ch. Ch. Is he laughing at the end? Frankie, you're good at these decodes. You helped the Zodiac killer. What? What does this mean? I don't know. I'm not sure what that means. Well, there we go. Let's go to poor lady though, who died. We're not lost. And the death, that's true. Nightmare on Elm street. Yeah. Night one, Elm Street.

Now, I've never heard this, but in 2004 in the UK, somebody called Daniel Gonzalez was so obsessed with Freddy Krueger that he went on a three day killing spree. And he said it's because all. I just love the. The Nightmare on Elm street movies and I just want to be like Freddy. I just want to end lives. Okay, I recognize the name, but don't recognize that events. Sarah, note this down for a future episode. High Strangeness Podcast. 2004. I didn't realize this. I didn't know. So a free

day. Okay, so a spree, was it? Yep. Killing spray of three days. And how many victims? It doesn't actually say how many victims. Maybe these stories are quite light on detail. Oh, we have to look up that. I will possibly do an episode on it. We could do an episode on it. There we go. Crazy. Well, these things are going to happen. And unfortunately, not just films. Other things, like get blamed for these things or actually do, like, you know, are actually catalysts in people's minds,

like computer games and stuff like that. Even songs or back in the day. I imagine it might have even been at the odd poem. Oh, this poem's so good. I'm gonna go out and murder my father. Yeah. Back in the 1700s. But this is gonna happen and people, like, are gonna kill if they're gonna kill. And that's the way it is. I would see a Shakespeare play the other day and I'm going to go and murder. Yeah, probably happened. Well, Gav, we all sadly know about the Child's Play story. Yeah. Of course,

where every. Anybody who from the uk, but outside of the UK as well, will probably have heard of poor old James Bolger, little boy who was brutally murdered by two. Two children slightly older than him himself. And they blamed Child's Play 3. They said, we got the idea from Child's Play 3. It was later debunked. Yeah. Because they'd never even seen the film. The parents had never seen the film. They'd never rented it out. They just

blamed it on that. Right, well done. However, it did lead to Charles Play three being banned in the UK for quite a while and it was all over the newspaper of Mary Whitehouse and all the sort of press went to town on horror films and it almost restarted the whole 88 cinema, you know. Yeah. But it didn't, thankfully, the BBFC. Yeah, that. That was another big news story. I've got one here which I don't quite understand. RoboCop 2.

What, did somebody come back, dress up. As RoboCop and go out and stop? Well, somebody called Nathaniel White, who's a convicted serial killer, said there's a scene in RoboCop 2 that I really love and that was my inspiration for killing someone. It doesn't say the scene annoyingly in this story, but apparently one scene in RoboCop 2. I don't know what it could have been. I started watching the film. I was like, I'll go check out robocop too. A couple

years back, it's on Prime. I started watching it and turned it off within minutes. Went this well, I know, because that. Was going to be my birthday pick for that year and you dissed it. So I said, oh, I can't make him watch this. So. Oh, thank you. Appreciate it. It was going to be RoboCop 2 and Terminator 2. Oh, sorry, dude. That's all right. I really like RoboCop 2. In fact, I kind of like RoboCop 3 because he can fly with a jetpack back.

Well, the next one is one that I would worry about. Natural Born Killers, they did say, and I remember this being in the news, that they were thinking of banning it. Yeah, obviously there's no rhyme or reason. Just a couple of killers going around taking people out just because they Want to? Yep. But it's been cited in several real life fighting incidents, one of which was 1995.

Sarah and Benjamin went around committing lots and lots of shootings after becoming obsessed with Natural Born Killers. This then spread loads of debates about the influence of media violence on real world actions. And the film was also mentioned in the diaries of the Columbine High School shooters. They really liked that film as well, so didn't do well. But then bad press is still press after all. And that film is beloved. I'm not really a massive fan of that film, but. It's all right.

But. But yeah, I didn't realize the Columbine guys were obsessed with it as well. Yeah, it's pretty crazy, isn't it? Scream. Oh no. The first Scream movie. Oh no, was it, Was it two killers? So the film has been linked to several real life crimes, suggesting a disturbing effect on certain individuals. One of which includes a son who murdered his mother in California in 1998. And two British teenagers said they drew inspiration from the film to commit a stabbing

in 1999. It got them so hyped up and they watched it so many times, that gave them the kind of the bravery to go out and do it. Go on, you do it now. You do it. Let's do it. Just like Billy and you know, Skeet Orange at the end of. Everything else would, you'd go tunnel vision, focus and everything else would be blurry, like you know what's right, what's wrong, etc, and just like you're so focused on that you don't think about the outcome without getting out of it or everything else crazy.

Also in 2001 in Belgium, a Belgian man killed somebody whilst wearing a ghost face mask. Stabbed them to death. That's why, like some killers ejaculate when they kill because they're just. It's such, such a intense moment. Do you know what I mean? It's so much like hell. Can you imagine being that poor girl in Belgium? Yeah, yeah. Seeing a guy in a screen mask and then he actually does stab you to death. Yeah. Wouldn't be good. And then in 2006, a lady called Cassie was murdered.

When they arrested the perpetrators, they found that they'd been planning it and making video recordings of them practicing it. All very similar to Scream. And they were even quoting some of. The scenes from Screen Premeditated Sake. Crazy stuff. Yeah, it's gonna happen, like unfortunately, just. But these people, if it isn't that these people are eventually saying someone's gonna cross them or someone's gonna. They're just gonna flip

anyway, you know. Yeah. The Dark Knight, which you were in, I believe. Was it the dark night you were in? Yeah, yeah, there we go. Just to casually mention that Gab was in the Dark Knight. This wasn't Jared Letter. This was Heath Ledger as the Joker. The better Joker, in my opinion. And the Joker is responsible for something as well. I didn't get to see. Don't get to see him on set. But I got to hear over the tannoy lots talking to the prisoners.

Well, in 2009, a high school student was so obsessed with the Dark Knight that he took a knife and sliced his own face open to give himself the same scars as the Joker. I shouldn't laugh because that is mental health to 11. That is. Unfortunately, it should have been seen before that got to that. But sake, that's crazy. And there was also a. An attack on a nursery in Belgium. A children's nursery. That's not good. Where a young.

A young man dressed as the Joker, the Heath Ledger Joker, entered the nursery, killing three people and wounding 12 others. That's crazy. And then there's obviously that shooting with a dude had his head, same colors, Jokers. Which one was that shooting in the cinema? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He pulled a gun out during the film, wasn't it? Yeah, through the Batman film. Was it Batman? No, it wasn't Batman. It was that gangster movie with Josh Broden. Because someone did get killed during or

shot during a Batman movie, didn't they? I think that was the case as well, yeah. Jesus Christ. Then there's one more, and that's the purge. Oh, no. Yeah. Did they hear the alarm go off in their head? So in Louisville, Kentucky, moral panic ensued in 2014 because residents thought there was a real life purge event happening, which led to a city wide lockdown. Now, all this was was a rumor and before you knew it, everyone was like,

oh my God, the purge is actually happening for real in our city. Oh my God. And the police had to lock down and curfew the entire City for 24 hours because they were worried people were going to go out and rape and kill, thinking, great, the purge, we can do it for real. That is mental, isn't it? That is mental. That is all my facts. But Gav, if there was one movie that you would hate to be to see somebody really imitate and turn into a real life thing, what would it be? And don't say Serbian

film. What would you say? I would probably say I'd hate to be involved in And I'd hate to hear that somebody had actually done a real life human centipede. Especially if I was the middle one. I don't know. I'm not sure I. I should come up with some genius. Comical timing, word substance. RoboCop. A thing. American pie. A man named Gab Hore was arrested after having sex. Apple pie. More. Am I the now the one doing it? Well, who else is going to do it, Bill? Not you. Oh, he's asking

if I've got any apple pie in the house. But then again, you know, people probably had sex with lots of different things we don't know about. Yeah, but an apple pie, that's pretty extreme, isn't it? It's correct, I suppose, in the way they think. Feel like it could be in their own head, you know, as a youth. Oh, God. What would you have suggested he put it in? I don't know. Bowl of fit Gustus. A roast chicken. A nice warm roast chicken. Oh, foul. Hey, very clever.

Well, on that note, Bill's talking about apple pie. We're talking about having sex with dead chickens. Well, roast chickens you are. I'm chuckling along to the. You said you want to put it in a bowl of thick custard. Ever since we watched Hanson and Gretel, you've been obsessed with a big thick bowl of custard, haven't you? Make custard? I like the old lady used to make. Take it what's in brain. What we need's another war. Right? Come on, let's get out of here. Let's do this next movie. It's.

It's another two hour film. We better get on it. Bill, put the apple pie down and take us out of here. That's all the time we've got for this weekend. World is Strange next week, though. Give me Ira. Hairless pets. Weird. They're shooting Stab three. Jesus. Brace yourself, Gale. You get killed in the script, I get killed in Stab three, I get killed. Violence and cinema is a big deal right now. Cue the violins. Hollywood is about death. The violence people do to each

other. So if we stop making scary movies, what? All the cycles in the world will retire. Hello. Hollywood is reeling today. Cast member dad three has been murdered. It's happening again. If you find yourself dealing with the concluding chapter of a trilogy. Oh, my God. There are a few things that you gotta remember. Anyone, including the main character, can die. This means you still Sid. You got a killer who's gonna be superhuman. Basically, you gotta blow him up. It's the final chapter.

The Past will come back to bite. You in the ass. What do you know about trilogies? All I know is that in the. Third one, all bets are off. There's been a second murder. Someone's killing them in the order they. Die in the movie. There are three different versions of the script. Hello. Three different characters die next. We don't know which one the killer ran. We are not in any danger. We are not in any danger, says candy page 15. I don't see you leaving. Oh, you motherfucker,

run. Welcome to the final act. It's your turn to scream. Hey, here's how I see it. I'm being stalked because someone wants to kill me. No, because someone wants to kill you. Starting now, I'll be with you. And since they really want to kill you, they won't kill me. They'll kill you. Make sense? None. Scream 3 from 2007. 1 hour and 56 minutes. Rated RRrr for pirates. Joke that never gets old. A young woman, a reporter and an ex policeman are drawn to the set of a horror movie. That's all it says.

That's all it says. I love the fact in this movie. Excuse me? I love the fact in this movie we have a. Obviously another movie within a movie. So we've got a whole film set with the crew and the cast. So we've got like Lance Henriksen as a producer. I love the fact that Lance Erickson is the producer. Is. We find out it's a sleazy producer who did sexual stuff. Made people do sexual. Weird sexual thing with different men in his. In his dodgy

room. Room. His screening room. So they could get parts. And Harvey Weinstein produced this. He must have been chuckling to himself when he. When he read that bit in the script. Yeah, but when they wrote this and cameras wrote it, he wrote this fully well known Weinstein suits because they all knew it. Yeah. So it's just like Kevin Williamson and he. He touched up some of the script. He only gets a. I'm glad you said the script. He's. Yeah, up.

He mainly gets the writing credit because of the characters. It was actually written by somebody called Eren Krueger. No relation to Fred. And then Wes Craven hated the script so much that he asked Kevin Williamson to do a few touch ups on it. But even Kevin didn't really want to do it. So Wes Craven did most of the rewriting of the script. Well, even Wes Craven must have been like in. He must been in on a joke taking the piss out with Harvey Weinstein. Harvey Weinstein also just laughed about

rather than saying, no, you got to cut that character out. You know, even Lancen would have known what he's playing. So it's so. It's so now looking at it and knowing where we are with Weinstein. A. It's just like there's a few. And there's a. There's a few jokes in this, actually. Like Carrie Fisher's cameo where she says, I had to sleep with. I heard Carrie Fisher slept with George Lucas to get the part of Princess Leia. And one of the actresses in this says, I slept with the director actor

to get a part in this film. So there's quite a lot of that, hashtag, me too stuff in this, which is a bit close to the boat. Part, where we have this random character. So there's loads of just random movies I just threw into this cameo. Sorry. And we have that cameo of Carrie Fishy. She's sitting there and she. And they're like, oh, you look like her. With a picture of actual Carrie Fisher. And she's not. Carrie Fisher's not playing Carrie Fisher, but someone looks like Car Fisher. And she's

like, no, that talent that's been. It's like, if you don't like the person that you look exactly like in the same job that you're in. In the same town, why the. Have you got a photo of her just there? It's ridiculous. Anyway, they really ram. They really ramp up the matter in this one. Like you said, like we talked about earlier, with the fact that a lot of this will take place on a set of. Off. Scream. Of scream

1. Stop. I like this because it's the mechanics of filmmaker making, and I. I'm obsessed with the mechanics of filmmaking. So that's why I enjoy that. That's why we do this podcast. That's why I make films. That's why I watch films. So I love this whole bit. It's perfect for me. And what they do well here is they take it out of Woodsboro, they take it away from a student campus, they take it to Hollywood. But we're keeping it in Woodsboro still because of obviously,

like the. The set that they build Baked Woodsboro within Hollywood. And this is a chance to throw in lots of Hollywood traits, lots of cameos, lots more mentions. And in jokes, again, you know, you. Said about the Columbine incident earlier, yet this essentially has less violence and gore because of that incident. It does indeed. They were asked to trim down a lot, which is why a lot of the deaths aren't very bloody. Yeah. Craven Had a lot of problems with the MPAA and he almost

quit the horror business. Not saying the film business but the genre of horror. He almost quit because of the MPAA saying you've got to cut this cut out. Because they were worried obviously because of the Columbine and them thinking that the movies will inference stuff again. And the director in this Roman, the fake director, he is based on Wes Craven because he keeps saying I just been told I've just got to make one horror film, then I can go and make that

romantic comedy that I really want to make. And that's what's craving. Kept getting told horror films. Where's craving did make other films. I didn't. He did make some other sort of random stuff. He makes him porn at the start of his career. Well no, he just did. He did make, he made. I'm gonna look now you carry on talking but like yeah, he, I, I, I don't know if Wes really wanted to be known as the horror person. A bit of a shame there Wes, but there

we go. I, I, you know, I feel like more he probably wanted to be doing other stuff like. But he did keep going back to Music of the Heart. That was the film that he really wanted to make but kept getting told one more horror film. He made that in 1999. So yeah, and the rest of it was horrible. Make a non horror film if he. So obviously he wanted to. So I don't know. Yeah, I think

he's probably didn't want to be where he was. But there's a couple of other cases before we get into the story of life imitating art here. The characters in this movie constantly complain that the script is changing at a rapid rate that they can't keep up with and that there's several endings which becomes a plot point when they're trying to figure out the order of who's going to die next. Because the script has changed so many times.

Well that actually happened on this script, Scream 3. It was one of the most guarded scripts at the time because they knew there'd be loads of red herrings and you know, who's going to die, who's not going to die, who's going to be the killer. Yeah. And they did end up changing the script several times to the point that Wes overheard the actors complaining to them each other about it. He wrote that into the script and it then became a plot point.

And also he famously hated working with Sarah Michelle geller in Scream 2, which is why there's a character in this called Sarah Darling, who's played by Jenny McCarthy, who is a real. He makes her act to be like a real diva and she gets brutally killed. And she plays the CC character from Scream 2. And he based that on Sam Michelle Geller. Apparently he really disliked Wes Craven, which is crazy. Poor old Sarah Michelle Gilliam. Leave my Buffy alone. She might be a. Don't know.

I don't think so. So, yeah, there's a lot of stuff in this to unpick. Yeah. Patrick Dempsey's in this. Always, always think what made me think of Dempsey and make peace. I do like Dempsey, Pat. She's also Thanksgiving as well. He is great as a cop. So it's very sort of familiar ground. Yeah. And with this. This movie probably does a better job than Screen Two of giving us so many options as to who the killer could be, because he's someone that you think

he's definitely the killer for a lot of this. And actually. And okay, we'll get into spoilers right now. The character called Angelina, who's played by British actress Samantha, whatever her name is, she was actually, right up until the last moment, an assistant killer with the killer, which is why her character acts so suspiciously and sketchy all the way through. And why her death occurs off camera. Oh, I didn't know. Almost. And then at the last moment, they cut that part out of it.

Yeah. In a way that you can get away with it. But she does. But it adds to the movie for me because she acts suspiciously. Patrick Dempsey act that everybody in it is so suspicious. It could be any of them. And the actual cast and crew actually saw the film for the first time at the premiere. Yeah, it was a real secret. Journalist saw only two days before because obviously journeys to like a little bit before. And it's. It's. It's just a thing normally, but they weren't

allowed to do then, so. Yeah. So this film does get a lot of hate. I enjoy this film. I don't mind this one. I prefer this to part two. Cool. I definitely prefer this to part four. I think it goes 1, 2, 3, 4 for me from the original four. But two is just only a little bit behind number one. Well, let's get started then. We start off in Hollywood. Cotton is obviously had his. His five minutes or whatever. He's still having his five minutes. And he's in

his car driving along and he. He's a horny bastard, isn't he? He's got a talk show now called 100 Cotton, where he talks about, you know, serious things that have Happened. And he's. He's on the phone to his agent and his agent's saying, we can get you a cameo in the new Stab film. And he's like, really? Oh, come on. I want to be in the Navy Seals movie. What about that Navy SEALS movie that you were talking about? He's trying

to get into action films. He's been working out. You know, he's bigger. He's buffer a kind of mimicking Leave Schreiber a little bit, who ended up going on to be in a load of action movies like the Wolverine movies and stuff like that he was in. And he then gets a phone call in his car after speaking to his agent from our friend Ghostface. Well, spoiler, spoiler. In this film again, Ghost Face is using a voice changer. Not just to do. Hey, you guys, that voice.

He's. Now, I don't actually. It makes no sense whatsoever if you get into it because it's just a film. But he somehow managed to get the exact phrasing and voice impression of different people. I don't know how they've done that now. You can easily. Then I don't know how they did this.

Well, this is the. But still, that's what's going on. Yeah. Okay. This is the biggest criticism of this film amongst horror fans, amongst the screen fans, is that it takes a fresh out boundaries of almost science fiction. Yeah. It almost takes anybody could be anyone. So it's almost like, who cares? It takes that away a little bit. I suppose, just by putting it to your mouth. I can certainly sound like Gabby. Or I can send Arie like

you say with AI. Yes. You can do that back in 2000. No, but you still need like AI still needs now to take, say, one of our podcasts to be able to replicate both our voices perfectly. You know, it's not even that many words. I don't think like 25 words or something. I think Scream 3 is 25 years old now. How crazy is that? Yeah, Tony. I mean, screen one will be 30 in a couple of years. That's nuts. I've said this. I'm pretty sure I

said this last time. I don't. Maybe not. I said to Elijah, like, when I die, Elijah, you can just listen to all the hours of podcasting. I've done a put into an AI thing that I can say anything you want me to say. Funny enough, I said that similar to Alice. Yeah, very funny. I mean, there was an episode of Black Mirror based around that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, anyone could take. We've Podcast, we've. But I don't know how many hours out there. So anyone could take anything we

want to make us say anything. The whole podcast. We don't even need to do it at this point. About 180 episodes if you include all the bonus stuff. Maybe more. Close to 200 with between three and four hours each episode. That is a lot of talking. So about 800 hours, maybe 700. 700 hours, 800 hours, maybe more. And people can just take bit. And Stan could say whatever he wants once down, could say, yes, I was at the P. Diddy party. Oh, I just said it. Me and Gav are the actual

organizers. We were the actual oil importers. We're the oil distributors. So we. We did do all there. It was. They're like, hey, it's Gavin Dan, the oil men. How are Harvey Weinstein's like, oil up my butt cheeks, boys. Let's not do that. Let's carry on this movies. Cotton's horny in the car and he. Gets a phone call and it's Ghostface. Now Ghostface is in his house and his. His beautiful girlfriend Christine, named after the car because Wes Craven absolutely loved that movie.

Christine is taking a shower. Someone's in the house. She's a bit worried. She hears Cotton. Cotton, is that you? But it's not him, is it, Gav? It's the voice changer of Ghostface. Well, we don't know this. Yellow. Yes. As an audience member. Stop playing that game. I don't like playing the game where, you know, you're pretending to come and get me. So he's got some weird kinky game he plays with her where he pretends to come and attack her, but doesn't.

I don't know. Anyway, Ghostface says to him on the phone, I'm looking at your girlfriend in the shower right now. But. But it starts off with Cotton speaking to this girl. Oh, yeah. He gets a voice changer. It's just. But we don't know this. So the audience, we all just think it's this girl saying, hi. Oh, I think he's like, I think got the wrong number. And she starts basically flirting with him. Says, is this. Oh, no, is this called weary?

And he's like, yeah, it is, actually. So she starts like tickling his funny bone what he wants to hear. And then she just slowly turns drips into like, you've got a girlfriend. How'd you know I got girlfriend? Because I'm watching her type job. So the audience know, like, screen. Ghostface has got a new toy he's got this voice changer. Yeah. So back at Cotton's house, his girlfriend

is being chased around the house by Ghostface. She hides in one of the rooms and then she hears Cotton saying, open the door, Christine, open the door. And she thinks it's Cotton dressed as Ghost Face getting his King Kong. She's attacked. Cotton kicks the door and comes in. And he sees very quickly the catalyst for Ghost Face to do this is because actually she is a Ghost Face says to go on the phone, where's Sydney? So we know that Ghostface wants to get Sydney and he's basically going

to Cotton. Like I'm gonna do this if you don't give me Sydney. So it's basically that's what's going on with this. I want her address. Give me a details. So Cotton comes home, there's signs of struggle, there's bullet holes in the door. Kicks the door. And then his wife, his girlfriend has got a golf club which she swings at him. Or baseball bat, which she swings at him. I know it is a golf club. She thinks he's trying to attack her and he's like, what are

you doing? What are you doing? And then. Because basically the whole time Ghostface has also been at the house and doing Cotton's voice. So then all of a sudden she thinks Khan is Ghost Face under the sheet still. She still thinks it's Cotton because it's doing Cotton's voice. So I thought it would be better here. So he runs in there. So she starts attacking me. So what the are you doing? She's obviously going like, I'm attacking you because you've

just been here in a costume. Didn't that. I thought how good this had been here, here. If. If she was. She actually killed Corn. Jesus. And cuz she thinks that's Ghostface. And that happens. But we don't actually have any Ghost Face at all. But Ghostface did do that with the voice and stuff. Ghostface was there or something, but that happened. And then that gets back to Sydney and then starts that way. I thought that would been a really cool way of doing the film. That's quite cool.

But this is a Scream movie, so. It'S a bit too pop than that. So whilst Cotton is trying to calm down his girlfriend who's swinging a golf club at him, Ghostface comes in the room behind her and kills her. He then fights Ghost Face who stabs him in the chest and he dies. So that's her opening scene. So it should have been better. She should have killed him thinking it Was ghost face. You want to see ghost face? Stab some.

And she says to the police, and Sydney's there watching on the news and says, the girlfriend's there. She's saying that she killed him. Him because he was dressed as Ghostface and said he's like, what the. What the. That would have been how you do it. But. Yes, I know, I know. So, yeah, yeah. Again, we've killed off one of our regulars, so last time we lost Randy. This time we've lost. It's funny. Cotton's not really in the film much. If you add up all his screen time, it's 15 minutes, probably.

But he's the hero of screen, too. But he is quite a prominent character. Character. He is a very much in needed for it. So he becomes. It feels like he is a bigger character. So, yeah, yeah. A bit like Randy. Randy wasn't in it much, but because he gave his rules, he became a favorite of fans of the film. Let's call Randy horny. Horny. That's gonna be a bit confusing. So we cut to Sarkana, AKA Lori. Lori from Halloween, AKA Sydney. Yeah. Taking herself off to a

farm. She's like, nicely, this. I'm getting a dog. I'm getting a job as a counselor using the phone system. Boom, I'm in there. And primitive Internet. She's got barbed wire everywhere, alarms, traps, landmines, bear traps. Well, she hasn't got some of that, but. But she's basically barricaded herself in this farm where no one can get to her. She hasn't told anybody where she lives. Only Dewey, we find out later on, knows where she lives.

Nobody else can get to her. And like you say, yes, her job is a counseling line where women can call up who are suffering domestic abuse or violence and she can advise them and counsel them on what to do. I get the impression she's also been taken up like a martial art and some guns. Gun work. She basically is Sarah Connor. Quite. She's Sarah Connor. She's quite badass by this. Sarah Connor. Sarah Connor. Sarah Connor. Sarah Connor. Sarah Connor. Cut 2. Gail Weathers on that haircut.

Haircut. Preach, brother, preach. There's a really funny picture taken in not long ago of Courtney Cox with somebody, Somebody, a fan dressed in the screen pretending to cut her hair. Oh, okay. To that style. She actually did it for a Halloween party. She did. She did the hair again for Halloween. It's so bad. It's such a bad haircut. And everybody knows her boyfriend. Her husband's like, no, you should do that. So Is he taking the piss out

of her? Well, they cut their honeymoon, their real life honeymoon, short to come back in screen film Scream 3. Which is why those two are really, really tanned because they've just been for a month in the Bahamas. So if you watch this film again and look at Courtney Cots and David L. They're both super tanned because they've just come back from a month in the Bahamas. Jack and his fingernail. Oh, Jesus, Jack. His finger offset between takes because they're in the honeymoon phase.

Do you think it was. I'm a bit speechless, to be honest. Yes or no? Yes. Little fingering. Yeah. Yeah, right. Jesus Christ. Anyway, Gail is giving a lecture to a room full of people about journalism and how to be a really good reporter and journalist. She's obviously really rising up in the world because she's lived through two terrible, you know, murder sprees and reported on it and come out of it alive and almost the hero.

And as she wraps up her lecture, Detective Kincaid, King Cade Kincaid was the character from Nightmare on Elm Street 3, the Dream Warriors, I believe. The doctor. Dr. Kincaid. No, I think it was the. The kid. Oh, okay. The strong kid. The black kid, who is quite strong. Do you think this is connected? No, I don't. But I do think Wes Craven wrote that and he wrote this. That's what I think. Anyway, Patrick Dempsey

is Detective Kincaid. He comes into the lecture hall and says, Gail Weathers, Cotton Weary has been murdered and so is his girlfriend. And on the body of him, we find some photos of Sydney's mother. What? Sydney's mum? Yeah, yeah, Sydney's mum. Sydney's mum. And this becomes quite a big plot

point. Look. So basically throughout this, whenever someone gets killed, there will be photos of Sydney's mum from when she was younger in Hollywood, because it turns out, spoiler alert, she had a secret film career that she never told anybody about, where she starred in low budget horror films back in the day and never told her husband or daughter about it. Yeah, because she sucked her way to the top, that's why. Well, I think she was more raped from

the sound of it. We have a. We cut to the film set, actually. And I like, well, just. Just before that. Sorry. They also, the last bit of exposition is, did you know that Cotton Weary had a cameo planned for Stab 3? Which is how we find out there's a Stab 3 film in production. And. And Gail's like, no, I didn't. Jesus Christ, what's going on here? Then we cut to Sydney seeing on the news that Cotton's been killed. Then we cut to what you were going to say. Sunrise Studios

in Hollywood. It's on the film set it and got the producers and talking away. And Roger Corman's executive producer. Yeah. Who's the producer of the film. He's also a bit of a Wes Craveny type character, but only more in looks. He's basically har. Yes. But it's quite nice that we got his people. It's so funny seeing Lance and Nuon a couple of months ago. So old now. Yes, he is very old. One one of only three actors to ever been killed by a terminator, an alien and a predator. Yeah,

true. Can you name the other two actors? Bill Paxton. Yep. And don't know. Michael Bean. Oh, yeah. Michael Bean. Yes. They're discussing. So all these executive producers talking to Roman, who is the director of Stab 3, about what's happened. Is this going to be good publicity? Do we need to stop the movie? Are the actors in danger? Should we morally be doing this? Basically they're all like, we're going to make money out of it. So let's just

keep on making the movie for them. Actually it's going to give more people want to go and watch it because it's not really their fault. It's not happened on their set. It involves a story that they're doing. So, you know, as almost. If you could do a real dark sort of publicity thing you could do anyway. Not saying tell people, pay people to go out and kill people and say do it. It was a ghost face. Acid. Yeah. Nice. That's terrible. Publicities.

Who's your new published publicist? They've done a terrible job. People getting slashed up. For real. I do like this film as well. We then cut to like the main actors. Main actors who are going to be in the film, which we're going to be. We're on the film set of. Okay, everybody, stay with us. Stay with us. They're all playing the characters from Scream and Scream two that we know, which is brilliant. So you've got these Hollywoodized versions of Dewey Courtney Cox's character,

G Weathers. You know, all of these characters are like slightly buffer, prettier versions of. Really good. Because last time I said about how fun it was having those other actors in there. These like. Yeah, you know, the ones we had last time. Who is it? Thingy. Female 1. Roller skated girl and Boogie Nights. Other Graham Evergreen people like that. But yeah, this one time we've got the characters, but we're not watching the movie. Like we

Were then we're actually with the character. So they have a stake in it as well because essentially they become targets themselves. Even just because of the connection, the fact that they're actors rather than anything to do with the actual story. It just seems a bit weird. But just because they're portraying it just does it anyway. But like, it's quite a fun. Another development furthering along the Scream crazy meta. The first train we're on. Yeah. And Gail turns up on set and.

Sets up a secret camera recording camcorder in that bag. Just no one will notice this. I'll notice these big air holes on the side of my yellow hand. And the fact that even in 2000, the camera would still be going. Yeah, it's still going to be making a noise. She meets her character, the woman playing. Her, which is funny, isn't it? She's like, oh, my God, the real gay weather's. Oh, my God, you're such an inspiration to me. Your storyline,

I'm really trying to get. I feel like I'm in your head because I know you're. Know you so well. And she's like. Gail says, ah, that must explain why I've got a constant headache. And. And then he comes. He just pops up. But her ex love interest. And she's like, dewey, what are you doing? He's like, I'm working here. She's like, what do you mean? And he is a story consultant, a technical assistant, because he lived through Scream 1

and 2. Yeah. So he's there to advise the producers, the director and the cast how their characters might act or think. He's. He's on the payroll. He's making that money. He's also in a relationship with. Is he in a relationship with the fake Gale Weathers now? He's a assistant. He's helping her. I don't think he's doing anything. No, he's. He's living in a trailer in a campervan in her garden. Yeah, I don't think he's banging her. Oh, I thought he was.

No, he's just. He's just a, like, assistant and stuff. Okay. Now, my biggest problem with this movie is the next scene. Absolutely hate. And I love Kevin Smith, but I do not know and I do not understand what an earth possessed the studios to put at the time and bob into this. Well, it says he said he cameos. Yeah, it's a bit weird. And at the time he said that when they said to him, he said,

no, I'm not doing that. Then they told him how much I don't know what it would have been, but they probably paid him. Maybe paid them both each. Maybe like 50 grand or something. Something just to walk along as a. On a tour of the set as. As silent, not Bob and Jay. If they'd have not spoken, it would have been okay. But because they speak and they are in character, it ruined. It really

takes me out of this film. It's just now you look at it like, now we discuss it as in, like a silly thing, we shouldn't be in there. And it probably cost them so much money. But that's this nonsense of Hollywood, isn't it? It's. It's like having Batman in it as a real Batman or something like that. It's just not needed. So what are you saying? You're saying that the. The. The. The. It's because that from the Kevin Smith or whatever, that those characters,

whatever, just come out. That's. People really like that. Cool. Put them in it doesn't matter how much, just put them in it. It's just stupid people thinking of numbers. Well, basically there's a studio tour and Jay and Bob in the tour, they see Gail Weathers. They get excited because they recognize her. That's the end of that. I like the fact that Lance Erickson just froze Gail off set, though. Yeah. Is that girl Evers? Get that woman off my set. That's not a bad impression. That's pretty good,

Sydney. Later, we see her talking to her dad. Now, we haven't seen much of this, so. So they talk about Mum and mum's secret life and, you know, the fact that she was murdered and they're both still coming to terms with it. And he says, you know, I don't know why you've removed yourself from society in the world and you're living out here in the middle of nowhere. Fucking all my mates would get hacked up around me. Daddy. Fuck that. Every time I go out with someone, he's either gonna try

and kill me or he gets killed. Dad. Jesus Christ. She falls asleep on the sofa and we get a little bit of a ghostly moment where her ghost mum. Yeah, it's weird outside going, sydney, Sydney. And she wakes up and she sees her mum at the window. It's really, really Wes Craven, this scene. Really well done, really Wes Craven. And she sort of says, it's your fault. It's your fault that all this has happened. Everything you touched dies, Sydney. And then Ghostface suddenly jumps through

the window and smashes the glass. And then she wakes up and it was all a dream. Bit strange, but she's been through a lot fluff. Yes, it's. It. Well, it's trying to show her character, isn't it? Cutting back to the studio and Jenny McCarthy is there as the Sarah Michelle Gellert character, Cece. She's alone in the studio. The guys leave her and then she said she's been told to come and meet the director, Roman. So she's waiting and waiting. Where is he? The phone rings and

it's Roman. Hey, I wanted to discuss the character with you. She's like, well, I want to discuss why I'm a 35 year old actress playing a 21 year old again, dying with my tits out. This isn't what I wanted. Wouldn't she be quite happy she's playing a young character. Okay, like that's a way. That's a lot younger. She's what, 35? She's playing 21. No, Gav, I'm dropping a truth bomb here. Boom. The director is the

killer. So he's talking to her on the phone and then he turns into ghost face on the phone and he starts off saying, let's run some lines. But then his voice changes and then he. She hangs up on him. She's scared, she's worried, she runs off. Quite scary scene as she runs into the costume department. I think you'd know as well that before it's go face and it's the director speaking. Roman. That it's not Roman because we've been introduced to the voice change, we now know that that

is an existence. I imagine first time viewing of this, you would think, oh, that's obviously ghost face. Yeah, just saying. Yeah, probably. And she's in the costume department now where there's dozens and dozens of ghost face masks hanging up on coat hands. What a winky dink. She runs into the. The warehouse of ghost face costumes hanging up average height. And while she's hiding, we see that one of them is got feet. Ghost face creeping

to. Obviously knew that she was going to come in there. So went in there, hid up, stood in there hiding away going, I hope she does come in there. He, she's attacked, she's stabbed. But this is such a great Argento homage from Wes Craven here because she pushed face first through a window of a door. So she's hanging through the hole of what used to be a window in a door, glass piercing her all over. And then she stabbed in the back about 20 times.

Just like Argento likes to do to his girls. It's a great little homage, not a Nice way to die. But Jenny McCarthy is dead. She'll later go on to be killed in this one of the scary movies as well. Wouldn't she? Camera. Which one though? Yeah, they got a new scary movie coming up. Yes. Six. Is that. Yeah, I think seven. Six. Jesus. Gail and Dewey, they have lunch. There's tension between them. They discuss their failed relationship. And he says. I've got some information.

Off the record. Gail don't know why he trusts her. Why the does he trust her? He knows what she's like. Yeah, but he's. He's. He's. You know. He's done relations with her. Sweaty. Sweaty relations. So he's. He's just. He's all up for that. That Pong. He's wild. Weathered her gale. I didn't. Thought you say wild her. Gail. He's wailed her gales. That old sea shanty. Whales and gales. Get some whale blubber. Slap it like it's blubber. That's it. We're sailing the high seas

today. Gail. He can have like a fishman pe. Did he. Why slap it like it's blubber? Wow. Bad boy for life. Well, boy for life. It'd be fish oil though, wouldn't it. Be Fish boy for life. Fish oil instead of baby oil. It would. Cod liver oil. Get. We save thousands of bottles of cod liver oil. Toilet P. Fishy's mansion. Be fishy. Be fishy. P. Fishy. Who else was at his party? Captain Birds. I was there. Oh my God. His beard was looking crusty when he left. Captain Pug

Wash was there as well. Three days straight. Pugwash was going for it. Three days straight on drugs. Cod liver oil. They loved it. I almost said cunt liver oil. Then I do apologize. Disgusting. Yes. So they discuss their failed relationship. And then he says he's got some information about Sydney. There's a file on Sydney which reveals where she lives. I know where she lives

because I'm doing. She's confiding in me. Anyway, that file was stolen from the police station just before Cotton Weary's murder. Oh my God. Oh my God. This is great. This is great news. This is the lead I can. And try and start figuring things out. And he's like, no, it's off the record, girl. Remember? It's off the record. So they go to Jennifer's house. Jennifer is Dewey's. She is his girlfriend. She's one of the actresses from. From Scream. And they tell her that Sarah's dead.

So Dewey is basically now boning the person that looks. Looks like, he's playing the person that he was. Yeah, that's a bit odd. It's a bit sad. But she makes him sleep outside in the trailer. Is he even older? They tell her that Sarah's dead. And they instantly figure out, oh, they're being killed in the same order as the screenplay. Okay, so who's next? Well, there's three versions of the script, so it's hard to

figure out. See, this is quite fun because there's a bit later on in the house when the rap party and they're just like, oh, my God. Who? Who is it? Who is it? We did this in Preternatural, when we're sitting there reading the script and go, what happens next? What happens next? We're trying to read the script as it goes along. We did. And I thought, oh, wow. I never even realized that. Yeah. Because they get a. Facts don't know. They get the fax machine.

Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I thought it was really interesting. Now Jennifer's got a bodyguard who's played by Patrick Warburton, who everybody knows from Family Guy. He does. Hey, Peter. Hey, Bitter. He's a pretty big guy. And apparently Stone Cold Steve Austin was gonna play this role, but then pulled out at the last moment. So the character's name, the bodyguard's name is Steve Stone. Nice. In honor of that. Can you imagine

if it was Stone Cold? That would have been awesome. But it's. But it's still good that it's Patrick Warton. He hates Dewey. He calls him Dewdrop. Hey, Dewdrop. Hey, Dewdrop. And he's just there to look after Jennifer. He doesn't really care about anything else. Kincaid. Detective Kincaid goes to the crime scene. With his partner, who's the cheeky Ben Stidler alike. He does look a lot. That's who he looks like. He's basically Ben Stiller. And he has a real cheekiness about him. Him, he's like

a Teemu Ben. Still like Lance Hendrickson saying, hey, guys, do we need detectives here? And what's this got to do with the movie? And he says back, like, cheekily, like, well, the film is called Stab. She was stabbed. And it's just in his delivery, he's actually kind of all right. But, like, he's kind of not used enough, I feel. Yeah. Because he's still very much a side character. But, yeah, it's Ben's. Well, they all gather, and Gale and Dewey are there. And this is where they

reveal there's three versions of the script. So there's three possibilities of who the next victim could be. The cop says to the director, we've got word that you met Jennifer just before she died. And he's like, well, no, I didn't. And she's like, well, her roommate said you did. Apparently you called her up and you told her to come and meet you and then she died. So they arrest the director, her on set, and that's 100% like, Jesus Christ, my movie's gonna get put on hold. Jesus Christ.

So that's the end of that scene cutting back to Sydney, who gets a crisis call. Sid gets a crisis call. And it happens to be her mother's voice. How the did the killer get the voice of the dead woman from years ago? How the did you do that? That is some genius back to the Future portal. AI. I guess the killer knew that she had made lots of films, so he was able to get all the audio from those films. And do what? Slice it together on. On the fly.

When she's asking questions or when she's. Saying stuff, she says her name's Laura. Her fake name is Laura. Sydney. When she picks up these phone calls, yeah. This woman's saying to her, laura, I. I've killed someone. And he thought, oh, okay, this has to be in S head, you know, need to call the police maybe. Is this in Sid head? Oh, Sid. S. I thought you were saying S. I thought what's. What's sed? Is this ined? I'm off on holiday next week, guys. What you off to? I'm off to sed. Have you

been to sed? Yeah, it's brilliant though. Get me back some cheap sunglasses on your way back from sed. And some cigarettes. Sed. Is this taking place in S? Stop it. I thought that's what he said. It's just cuz I can't talk properly and I host a podcast. Sed. It could also be something you get sometimes when you're on holiday. S? Yeah, like a disease. Is SIDS head? Yes. I don't know. Because her mum says to her on. The phone, it's not possible for the killers to do it though. It has to

be. She says, turn on the news, Sydney. So she turns on the news and it says Stab 3 is production has been shut down. How the if it was Ghost Face. Oh, they must have a TV on as well. Okay. She says it's been shut down after another death related to the movie. And then the mum, the dead mum hangs up and Sydney gets up and locks all the doors. It's impossible. She grabs a gun, remember that cut back to Sarah's bodyguard who's patrolling the perimeter. Hey, Drew. Drop. Hey, Dewey. Dew drop.

There's a few actors inside. It's a wrap party, isn't it? Yeah, they're having a really rap party. They're having a drink. And outside Gail arrives, girls hanging out. Like Ted Bundy wanking up a window. Girl's not. Girl's not doing that, but pretty much. Courtney Cox wanking up a window, but. She'S in a Ted Bundy pretty much. And she overhears Dewey and his girlfriend discussing stuff where he sort of disses Gale a little bit. And then all of a sudden, hey, what are

you doing here? Gale Weathers. Hey, Dewdrop. He takes her inside and he says, I caught her outside. She was eavesdropping. And Dewey and Gayle talk and they get. They realized that there was a cloned cell phone unit used on Sarah. And he's been investigating. Someone's been investigating Sydney's mum. And they got lots of pictures of her from when she was younger, but we don't have any information on her. All we know is there's lots of pictures of

Sydney's mum from when she was younger. And then they discover a clue in the photo, which is they hold up the photo of Sarah, Jimmy's girlfriend. And they hold up the photo of Jimmy, Sydney's mum. And they were both taken in exactly the same location on the studio, just obviously 30 years apart or whatever. So it's like, okay, there's a tenuous link here or connection. Okay, it's quite a stretch, this storyline,

but whatever, we'll go with it. Meanwhile, the bodyguard goes into Dewey's camper van and he's looking around and he finds a picture of Gale in a frame still in the drawer. Why is he even in there? Because he's nosing around. He doesn't trust Dewey while he's in there. Ghost based. Pops up and gives him a right old stabbing. He does. But it is a bit mad, though. So this big, musty guy, like, I thought he might put up a fight or it might

be, he's a bodyguard, come on. But it's still like, really? Yeah, it's just a. Could even guard his own body. It's literally like, oh, we've got to get body numbers in here. Kill him off. Right? No, right, let's carry on. It's like. Do you know what I mean? That's how it feels. Anyway, inside the house, Dearing Gail sense that something is wrong. They look around and they see the bodyguards stumbling towards them. And then he collapses on the floor, dead, with a big knife in his back.

So they instantly lock themselves in the house. The lights cut out immediately. Someone's cut the lights, and then the phone starts ringing. But it's not the phone, it's the fax machine. Because this was the year 2000. Some of you might not know what a fax machine is listening to this podcast right now. A fax machine was something that probably died out in about 2010. And it was basically a way to send documents and letters and text on paper

through phone lines. I don't think I ever even did a fax. No. Did you? For facts sake? Yeah. I've used the fact. I've worked in offices since I was 16. 16. So I've done a lot of. Done a lot of faxing in my life. G. All right. Old mother fax the faxer. Is that Jason Stan's new film? Yeah, but it's set in like the 90s. It's him in an office just faxing stuff. A fact sake. Yeah, it should be called For Facts. That'll be the. The tagline Sake. The facts are. He's back. For sake. Yeah, it's to

stay from saying for fact's sake. What do you mean the toner's run out? No toner. I'll give you toner. Brilliant. Stating could do anything. Can he? Someone did a series of AI posters of really mundane jobs, but made into like the titles of films for Jason Statham in them. Like, like the Librarian and things like that. And it was so funny. I saw it on Facebook the other day. It's so funny. If I see it again, I'll send them to you because I think you'll really appreciate them. Just think

of a mundane job and then change it into a Statham film. Think of one now. Go Caretaker. The caretaker with Jason Statham. That could be, though. He watches a kid get hit. He's cleaning up the town, he's cleaning up the school. He'll mop you up one kid at a time. Oh, my God. Why is he getting children? He's a serial killer. Jason, put the mop down. So we're killing the children. She looked at me funny. I thought to myself, I'll kill her. It buffs kids faces.

Anyway, going back to this, they get fax machine going off and it is basically the script coming through one page at a time, telling them the cast are worried. The fax machine is telling them the script now they're gonna. One of them's gonna die. Who's it gonna be? And they're like reading in this out and it's like happening in real time as like predicting what they're about to do. And they can't see anything. So run outside so we can see what's.

See what it is. Yeah. So they'll run out by the swimming pool. And then the fax comes again. And one was like, oh, fuck, I'm gonna have to go back in. And runs back in to get it and it says. But he can't see properly. So he goes to the post closer in. Doesn't need to get a light or something. Well, he gets a cigarette lighter. Because the, the final page says the person who dies is the one who smelt the gas. And when he lights the cigarette lighter, he realizes

the house has been pumped full of gas. But Ghost face, it's so far fetched for Ghostface to be faxing his stuff over, not knowing if this is going to happen happen. You'd need 12 or 13 ghost face in an army to help. And cameras and talking to each other. Communications. Because like, okay, send it now. Okay. Is it still going ahead yet? Have they actually gone outside? And then they're gonna read the thing outside. Say,

smell gas. What Gas? What's that mean? I don't know. We're outside. Oh, it didn't work. Okay. He needs to be inside with a lighter. Is there a lighter there? Let's leave it. No. It's so elaborate. Now towards the end of the movie when obviously. And we've already spoiled that, it's the director, Roman, he says, I'm the director. That's what I do. I direct people. And you know, if you're gonna go like that. Yeah, okay. What would have worked better for me

is if he'd have been the killer. And he's a director, so he can direct things, but he's got help from like Lance Henriksen, let's say he wants to make his next movie a surefire hit. So he pumps lots of money into this sinister plot of murder crew. Yeah. Okay. And maybe, maybe throw in a few other people to help him out, like a stuntman or something like that. So basically you've got a crew of people who are all working. You could have had the whole, whole like the film crew. Even like

the, the grip and the dolly. Yeah. Just be the murderers. Even that guy that Kristen Bell shouted at. The guy that did the light bulb. Yeah. Good for you. That poor guy. You just changed the light bulb. And Christian Bell absolutely tore him apart. Hey, honey. So how was Work today? Oh, I got told off, like, really badly. Which mean you got told off badly? Christian Belg. Oh, the main actor. He shouted really loud and harshly at me. Did McG tell you off, the director? No, he didn't

even say anything. It was all Christian Bale. I didn't know if he was in character or not because he's got a weird accent because he's British but grew up in America. And I can't understand what he's saying half the time. Was it McGee? There's a big McDonald's fan or something. I think his name's like McGregory or something like that. But that guy's job was electrician on set. So he noticed the light bulb was out. He just stepped in just to twist. It and get it in a little bit into his.

Christian Bell's eyeline. So he's concentrating and he's basically tunneled vision. But he's not really, is he? His peripherals are out and he sees the comes in. It would put me off, to be honest with you, the way I am. But, yeah, it put him off. So he's like, ah. I can understand where he's coming from with it, though. If he's in the zone, I can understand if he. Did you listen to that recording? But yeah, yeah, need to apologize. I noticed that. I noticed the light

was out. And then you just hear go. Well, good for you. Just scream. Anyway, none of that happens here. We can laugh about it now anyway. We can. Instead, what happens in Scream 3 is that this cigarette lighter causes a gigantic gas explosion which blows the entire building to shreds. Threads. Everybody gets flipped over the balcony rolls down a hill and yeah, they all kind of get a little bit separated, don't they? At one point. Sits back. That's it. They say they fall off

the side, the house explodes. They all jump off the side and floor going, oh, my God. And that's that. Well, then they see Ghost Face. Dewey shoots him like, three times, and he rolls under the car. That's to save Gail. And they go down there and his body's not there. And, like. And you know, even though he's been shot, there's no sign of him. And you hear. And the chemistry starts back up. They almost kiss, but then Jennifer slaps him because obviously she's like, you're with me.

Get. So Gail punches her. Did you get that on film? Yes, I got that on film. Still my favorite bit. I love it. And then the other actress stumbles out of the woods. Angelina. She stumbles out of the Woods. And she, like I said, she was going to be the killer in one of the original scripts, which is why she's acting suspiciously and he's. Dewey even says, what were you doing way over there? And she's like, oh, I just. That's where I landed when I fell off the balcony. On the back of the photo of

Gails, of. Not Gail's mum, of Sydney's mum, it says, I killed Maureen Prescott. So whoever's doing this is now claiming to have also killed Sidney's mum originally, even though they thought it was Billy. So they're thinking, could this be Billy? Is he back from the dead or somebody else? What's going on? What the hell is going on? This is a third film in the trilogy, Anything Goes. So the

detective wants to talk to Sidney. And Dewey says, well, I'm not going to tell you where she is, but what I will do is give her a phone call and ask her to come to the police station. She doesn't pick up the phone because there she is. She walks into the police station. They hug. They discuss the phone call that she's had from her dead mum. They go and see Detective Kincaid. Gale and Sidney actually hug each other because they've been through quite a lot over the last couple

of movies. So they have a little hug and Sid walks in to see all these photos of her mum that she's never seen before. Young mum all over the. The wall. And, yeah, they're trying to figure out what on earth is going on. This is where they start piecing together this very stretched plot. What one might say. What do you know about your mum? I don't really know anything about my mum. She vanished. All I know is that she vanished. Obviously, we find out later she

had a secret horror film career. She was also involved in some terrible Weinstein activities against her will, which we'll come to as well later on. Horny sister turns up. Horny sister turns up. Horny sister, Randy's sister turns up. Oh, okay. Well, yeah. So they go to the studio, Detectives Kincaid, Sidney, Gail and Dewey, and they meet Martha, Horny sister, Horny's sister. And she is a terrible rack. Actually, her accent's awful. They put. He pulls a gun

and she goes, wait, don't shoot him. Only 17. It's pretty bad. And anyway, she says, look, I got a tape here that Randy wanted you all to see. Now, Randy's obviously dead or Horny as cab like to call him. And they put the tape in and he says the usual. Hey, guys. Well, unfortunately, if you're watching this tape, that means I didn't make it. And that means that one of you won't be making it either. So, since you're in the third part of a trilogy,

here are the rules of a trilogy. And then he gives all the rules, which we've already covered in this episode. And then at the end of it, he sort of signs off by saying, well, I guess some of you won't make it, so good luck, guys, and I guess I'll be seeing at least one of you soon. And it's quite a spooky little message from the afterlife. I do like how they've done it. Yeah, it's quite cool. Yeah, I. I was. I was always happy with this moment. It's the only way you could bring him

back, really. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I know some people have their thoughts about bringing back Skeet Aldrich as a ghost, or Mickey as a ghost, whoever it is. Mosquito Wood, which is a ghost in one of the other screen movies. Do you remember that? Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, fake Gale and I love this. Now teams up with real Gail because she's like, basically, if I'm with you, then the killer's after me. Then he might go for you thinking you're me. And I just figured that to

get inside your head properly. And I know you well enough, Gail. We should team up. Dewey wants to freeze him with fake. Girl and real gal. Yeah, the gales. That'd be weird. The weather gales. It gets windy. Hatches back to pirates. Gail and Gail snoop around the studio together, and they bump into a lady who looks remarkably like Carrie Fisher. That's a picture of real Carrie Fisher and doesn't like being called Carrie Fish and don't have

the picture of Carrie Fisher there. Then they joke around saying she looks like Carrie Fisher, and she says, no, I'm not her. I didn't. I did. I did actually audition for Princess Leia, but I didn't sleep with George Lucas like the real Carrie Fisher did to get the part. Now, that's funny, because she did actually shag George Lucas in real life, so. Did she? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They bribe her to

let them in and look at some files. So they go in. There's a moment where she says, do you want me to tell you I think you look like. I think you look like. And then she doesn't get to say anymore. And she was obviously going to say, I think you look like Courtney Cox? I. I guess that's what she was going to say anyway. Oh, there's another moment. Later on, earlier on that we forgot to mention where somebody says that they were used to go out with Brad Pierce as

well. So there's a lot of little references to people that were big in the year 2000. It's funny how things change, isn't it? Although Brad Pitt is still big, but he wasn't quite the heartthrob anymore that he was about them. So they go into some files and they find that Maureen was an actress, a horror actress who had a different name, a stage name, and she starred in a lot of low budget, sort of Roger Corman style horror films, some of which involved nudity. And this is why she kept it

all a secret from Sidney and her husband. So there's a whole other life that we don't know about. And this is one of the rules of the trilogy that Randy mentioned. He said everything you think you know from the first two movies gets turned on its head because a new piece of information is introduced. But you know, and this was it. We would never have guessed that she was a horror actress. Sydney goes into the ladies room and. There'S someone in the cubicle,

someone nicking props. It's Angelina. Now why she's obviously, she sees that she's got a Stab mask and a knife and she's like, oh. Because the film's shut down and probably not going to get put back on. I just thought I'd take some of the props. You probably think I'm weird if I was sitting there be thinking, no, I think you're the killer and I'm about to pull my gun out on you and shoot you right now. But she lets her go. She lets her go.

So Sid follows her out and she ends up in a very dark room and she's done on set of Stab. Three of her own old house, she. Sees a recreation of her own house. She goes into it. She goes up to her old bedroom. She'S on her old bed. She. In her head, she hears that moment where he says, would you settle for an R rated relationship? She goes back to when she flashes her tears to him, but she doesn't actually do it. That's the, that's what she remembers.

She thinks, what good memories. What a strange, strange memory to remember. This was my childhood bedroom. What sort of cool things I remember. When I flashed my tits to the guy who tried to kill me. Why did you think of that? I'd have thought of like, like doing. A puzzle on the floor, your mum tucking you in and giving you a kiss before bed. Oh, no. But instead I thought of flashing my tits to that murderer. Good memories. Ah, we've all got those good childhood memories, haven't we? Yeah.

Flashing your tits to a murderer. That's such a British term, isn't it? Flashing your tits. Tits. Yeah, flashing your tits. Jesus Christ, Stop flashing your tits. Come on. Anyway, she hears a noise. She grabs her pepper spray. The door seems to be moving a little bit. The bedroom door. And then all of a sudden, ghost faces at the bedroom window. It pulls her out the window. They have a bit of a fight. She can really hold her owns, which is why I believe that she's

sort of been studying Krav Maga or something. She runs off, goes into another house. But she does so in her dog. Very much so. It's a nice little callback when she's in her bedroom, when she gets a bit paranoid. Originally, she actually wedges the cupboard door with the bedroom door, like she did the first. Just like she used to stop her dad coming in. In my mind, that's a really satisfying thing. It always has been. Just because that looks perfect. So satisfying. It's like a

weird thing in my head. It's. That's fine because that's how she used to stop her dad from coming in to see her flashing her tits to her boyfriend. Yeah, dad flashing my tits. Don't come in. She goes in and it seems like there's more than one ghost face at this point because he seems to be everywhere and every. Every, anywhere, all at the same time. She throws him down

a balcony through a fake door and he lands on a bed. Well, ghost face rips her out and window, window from getting from the get go, doesn't he? Pulls out windows to start it off. So hell, my. My notes changed an I O to the eye so it says gist face, which kind of sounds like jizz face. Really? That would be a whole different movie, wouldn't it? That would be called. That'd be called cream. Cream. Cream 3. In this episode, it's wondering Cream. What's. Hey, Sydney, what's your favorite porno film?

I quite like Edward Dildoham's Wrong Answer, Sydney. Jizz face. I love our tangents. Yes, hopefully our listeners do. She runs into another house on the set and this time she hears her mum's voice again saying, come here, Sydney. And she walks into a recreation of her mom's murder scene where her mom was killed in her bed. There's blood all over the bedroom walls and all over the bed. And then she falls out of. She falls out of a Window. Yeah, she falls out of another

window and that's where. Oh, she sort of half faints and falls out of a window. And then Dewey and all the cops, Cops arrive on the set just as ghost mum in the sheet is showing up again. So we keep getting this ghost mum in a sheet and I don't know if this is ghost face or if this bit. I don't know. I don't know. It's not everybody explained and I don't think they really knew. I think this script changed so much because of the. Because the press was so hot on it.

It was like a Tarantino script. They were like, we need to leak it, we need to leak it. So they had to just keep changing it to the point that Wes Craven's eye have no idea what's going on in this film. Couldn't tell you. Jizz face. That's all I know. So, yeah, they. They go and search the house and they can't find anybody there. Detective Kincaid starts acting a bit suspiciously. Now he isn't the killer, but he does a damn good job and so does the script of making us

think he might be the killer at this point. And I don't want to spoil. Actually, I won't spoil it because it's quite new. I've just done it literally going through the same motion in my head. But I can't spoil it. We leave it. So we won't. No, me and you know, what we're both on about. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And other people will know as well, you know, Rothbard. If you know, you know, if you know, you know. So the detective drives her away somewhere safe.

He says to her, Gail tells Dewey, I found out that Maureen Sidney's mum had a whole acting career that, that she didn't tell anybody about. Lance Andrisson talks to the director about, you know, this is good news, this is good press. You know, you. You've been released now. You got arrested. Yes, but, you know, we can use

this. We can spin it. And as they're talking in burst our trio of intrepid investigators who basically have a go at glance Henriksen and say, tell us about Rena Reynolds, AKA Maureen. And he's like, who the hell is this? Who are you talking about? Oh, you mean that girl? Oh, yeah, I remember her. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, I remember her. And then he says he's heard of her. And then eventually this comes out of it. She just. She wanted to be into movies and

we. She just got banged by everybody one night or something. He said, he said, Basically, Hollywood is not a place for sensitive people. And women who want to get far in this industry basically get gang raped at parties. And again, you've got to think this is a movie produced by Harvey Weinstein. I know. What a cunt. Ouch. I've not thought of the fact that Kevin Williamson and Wes Craven would have known this and probably thought the

truth. Yeah, they would have done it as in the you to Weinstein. But Weinstein would looked at us in like a laugh, whatever. But it's good to see him a couple of days ago, actually looking really unwell. That was good to see. Hopefully he'll die soon. Walking along, like, struggling along. The thing is, you know, I don't wish death on anyone, but I. What's he got to offer anybody after all that? You know what I mean? And. But at the same time, it's nice that he's sits in the

cell doing whatever he's doing and that's it. I just hope that all the victims get justice. And same with Diddy. If what he did is real, all. I just want the victims to get their justice, you know, whether it's money, compensation or just knowing that that person has been been found guilty of it. You know what I mean? Indeed. Anyway, anyway, Sidney sees lots of books on films. So she's in the detective office and she becomes even more suspicious because he's got

lots of books about films and sequels and horror films. And she asks him about it and he's. Oh, no, I just really like film. Sydney. Again, we as an audience are like, he's definitely the killer. Now. It's gotta be him. He's got guns. He's quite a beefy guy. He can handle himself. Yeah, that's. It's gotta be that. It's gotta be that. I realized in this scene as well, she's got Derek's Greek numbers on. Did you notice that she's wearing Derek's necklace

from Scream 2? Oh, okay. Because she obviously used that. We didn't say she swung that at Mickey to cut his face at one point to fight him at the end of Scream 2. So she's kept that. She must wash the blood off. Yeah, still. Still. Almost a bit strange thing to wear, but okay. Yeah, fine. It's fine. Gail, Jennifer and Dewey get a call from Sid, who isn't Sid? It's the voice changer, isn't it, Saying, come and meet me at the party, the birthday party,

Roman's birthday party. And they're like, that's weird. All right, we'll all go There they arrive and it's a shit party because it's only Roman the director, Angelina Tyson, the other actor. Just three of them there and they're discussing, hey, you know these old mansions are supposed to have loads of secret rooms where they could get off and go do like loads of freaky things. Whoa, that's another P DID reference right there, isn't it? Yeah.

So the director and the actors decide to split up and go off and find this potential secret room. Obviously this is the director literally directing everybody because he's the killer to go off and separate. True. Which is quite clever. He goes into the basement where he finds a little lots of props and costumes and severed heads and stuff like that. And Dewey and Gail wonder where Sid is. Cuz they're like, well, she said to meet her hair, I don't know where she could be. And they

find. What do they find in the cupboard, Gav? A voice changer. A voice changer and a screen mask. And they're like, oh, he's here. He got us here. We're trapped. Now Gail goes down to the basement. Of course she does. And again there's lots of body parts. And she sees Roman the director dead in a coffin. He's not dead. Inspector's own death. Yeah. Shh. Don't tell anyone. Tell anyone. This film's 25 years old. Don't tell anybody about that. Jennifer saves Gale and they try to run

to Dewey. Angelina jump scares them a little bit. Again, she's acting very suspiciously. She gets killed by Ghostface. We see her get dragged away. Off camera, Gale and Jen find Dewey and he's been cut and he gets punched. Tyson gets stabbed. Gale fights back. And this is where Jen finds a secret room. Ghostface chases Tyson and throws him out of a window. Another death. He likes throwing people out windows. This one doesn't. He might be

his fetish. In the secret room that Jen has gone through, she gets chased down a little corridor by Ghost Face and she sees Dewey and Gail on the other side of a. A two way mirror. So they would have gone into this bed, this two way, this bedroom and been able to watch people in bed bang him while they were in this secret mirror at these parties is there's. A bit where someone says I did not that. That pig Melton to get roles. Yeah. Harvey Weinstein

must have been watching that. Like that pig like that is definitely Weinstein. Of course. Absolutely, absolutely. I find it so weird. So she starts banging on the glass and Jim's like, oh, she's in. She's behind the glass. I can see the glass moving. So he shoots it. But unfortunately, she falls through. She's already been killed by Ghostface. So Gail then gets grabbed and she fights Ghostface and they both fall down some stairs into the basement. Dewey sees that Tyson's dead outside.

So his phone rings and it's Gail from the basement saying, I'm trapped. I can't find my way out of here. Ghost faces on, lying on the stairs. And it's so funny. It's such a dewy moment. He's like, how do I know this is really you, Gail? And he's like, it's a serious question because there's now a voice changer in this plot. So I. I think it's really. When she's. She goes to move, and Ghost Face just goes with his knife. It's so, like, off. Yes. So it's like, what, me and

Elijah games that me and Elijah play. It's like, not what the killer's supposed to be dead. And like. Oh, it's just a. It's a nervous reaction action just as you move. It's ridiculous. Hilariously, Dewey opens the basement door and sees Ghost Face at the bottom of the stairs, who throws a knife at Dewey at his head, and it just hits him in the head. It doesn't stab him. The handle hits him. He falls down the stairs. So he's. He's just a clumsy

oath, isn't he? I know he's. He's been stabbed quite a few times now over the years, but he's just a clumsy guy. Yeah. Jesus Christ. Then they. Oh. Then Sydney gets a phone call that says, come to the mansion. I'll tell you who killed your mother. But your friends are here. You need to come here now. So Sydney's like, oh. So she searches the detective's office, finds a little gun, and she heads to the mansion.

She arrives, she sees the carnage. Dead bodies. She gets another phone call that says, welcome to the final act, Sydney. And he says, use this metal detector so I know you don't have a gun or a knife on you. She has a gun. He says, throw it in the pool. She sees Dewey and Gale tied up inside. Sid gets slapped. And then she pulls out a gun and says, it's your turn to scream now. And shoots him four times, thinking that's gonna kill Ghostface. But the body vanishes again.

The detective shows up just as the ghost face has vanished. She thinks it's a Kincaid. It's do. It's done really well because he's too heroic. To be true. Almost isn't. He's almost like he's playing it, but. But he isn't because Ghostface jumps out and stabs Kincaid and fights him, beats him up a little bit. Then we just get this massive fight where they're all fighting each other. And then Sydney runs off and says, come and get me. She locks herself in a room somehow. And again, this is

another issue I've got with this. She just happens to find a secret book on the bookshelf that opens a secret doorway. Like, how does she know this? Yeah, she didn't try any other books. Yes, it's just the one book. I'm just gonna try this one. She goes into a room that has a film of her mum playing one of her mum's old horror movies. And then she hears her mother's voice and it's a ghost sheet mum walking in the room. But it. It's revealed to be

ghost based underneath that. So Roman's the one that's has figured out all this crazy technology. Red voice changer. He's crazy. He says, it's time to come to terms with your mother, Sydney. He's like Titanic and. James Cameron. He's like James Cameron in his technology. He is, yeah. It's like him. Well, he then takes off the. The mask and he's Roman, the director who reveals, I'm your half brother. And everyone's like. I remember in the cinema, everyone going, what?

What? The half brother? What is it? Turns out. Do you think this is supposed to be like some sort of Return of the Jedi? Yeah, that's why they got Carrie Fisher in it. It's ridiculous. It's so ridiculous. So the plot is basically that he got Billy to kill her mum when he tried to. When she rejected him. When he found out his real mum and she rejected him, he was like, oh, I'll just go and get Billy Loomis to kill her then. And he says, that's what I do,

Sid. I'm a director. I direct people. So he went along, antagonized Billy, saying, I've got these videos of your mum going around town giving it to everybody. I'll let everybody see this. Unless you go around killing all these people and you get someone to do it with you. Okay, I'll do that. Just kill him. Just kill him. Just kill Roman. Surely that would have been easier. Dewey and Gail untie themselves and

they. Got very sorry, but very impressively, Roman managed to get a job as a director in Hollywood on a big massive picture. Managed to get all this Job help just to do this whole thing on a film. How impressive. On. On coincidentally the remake of a film that he was involved in the original plotting of the murders of. And he managed to work his way up as a director to get on set and do that just for that moment because it's just like, come on. It's very far fetched, isn't it?

Yeah, it's very, very far. Wow. You've done what so many people want to do. Get that job and you, you're just done. Because you're going to kill. Unless he's an absolute genius. Do you know what I mean? Kade gives Gail and do a gun. Roman drags Lance, Lance Hendrickson out of the basement and says, this is the guy that's responsible for what happened to your mom. They her every which way but Sunday in this very room. And then he just says, this is the final cut. And then he cut.

That's Lance Henriksen's throat. So Lance is dead now. Poor old Lance. And then there's another big fight. She manages to hold her own. He kicks her in the head a few times and starts strangling her. Dewey manages to blow the fuse. So all the lights go out in the whole mansion and the detective enters the room and immediately gets knocked out because he's shit at this point, mind you, he's been stabbed and beaten up quite a few times. And then she does a Halloween remake.

Now. She basically turns the tables and says, now it's your turn. She runs off and she vanishes. She hides in the room. Ghost face is looking for her or Roman's looking for her. She grabs a nice pick. She Sharon stones him in the back. Apparently the scream he. He releases is a real one because she missed the pad under his shirt and actually stabbed him with a knife with a blunt ice pick. Nice. So well done, Neve Campbell for doing that. I realized. She stabs him three times. Gav. Stab three.

Get it? Nice. As he lies on the floor dying, they hold hands. Yeah, because they're brother and sister. If Luke and Layer can have a little kiss and everything's all right, then these two can hold hands. I think it was because he never really found the family he wanted. And she thought, well, in death as he's dying, I'll let him hold hands with his sister. He was just trying to murder for the last three years. So.

So yeah, he dies. Then he pops back up and there's a hilarious moment where Dewey's just blasting away at him and he's not staying down. He's Got a bulletproof vest on. And then they go. Dewey. Headshot. And he blows his head off. Off. And Sid, Gail, Dewey Kincaid are the only survivors. And we cut to an epilogue where. Doing Gail together, he. He proposes to her using her book. Yeah, he proposes to her. Yeah, that's true. He's a little. And it's. They're waiting

for their. Sydney's place out on the sticks. I presume Sydney's gone for walk with a dog. He's just proposed to her just randomly on the side there. Kincaid's just inside with popcorn. Why is King K even there? Why is the detective there? Surely that breaks a lot of police ethics. You don't hang out. You don't hang out with the people that you've saved, do you? Surely you just have another case. You go into another case. You do. So all your cases just end up

hanging out with them. This John McLean go around the houses of the people that he rescued in Die Hard. And so. Hey, remember me on that Christmas. Let's go in and watch a movie together. What the. Why is that guy here? He's got shoes on this time. So, yeah, he says, oh, we're waiting to watch a movie. And there's this whole metaphor. Now at the end, she leaves the gate open on the floor, the alarms on. Yeah. She's open to the

outside world again. She's trusting again. This movie is mad too long. It is. Okay. It's all right. Light. It's got some good bits of light, but it's 30 minutes too long. Same as the other one. Cut it down. Why is it two hours? Yeah, it ruins. Ends with him saying, sid, we're waiting for you to watch a movie. She goes, what kind of movie? And he goes, you'll have to wait and see. What's that mean? I don't know. Imagine if he said a scary movie. It's a porno.

We're all gonna watch it together. Anal intruders, too. Diddy's coming over in a minute. We're all gonna watch a big film together. Have. Have this drink. Bill Cosby's drink. Skip that, baby boo. Drink my drink. Yeah, we've been looking for you. He's another one. Jesus Christ. Anyway, look, this movie. It's a good movie. I like it, but. I like it. But, yeah, it's got issues. Here's my problems with it. You're right. It's about half an hour too long. There's a lot of big fights in the end that

could have been cut right down. The plot is so stretched and Far fetched. It's really hard when you break it down like we've done today. It. You can cut. Cut holes in it so easily. And I don't like the J and Bob thing and there's the voice changer thing. I don't like that either because it's just too far fetched. That technology just didn't exist and doesn't really exist properly. You don't think of it until you review the film and then you're like,

how'd you do that? But at the same time, Randy did say on the third one, anything goes. Throw it all out the window. They're gonna go as extreme as they can. And they do. And they. And they thought this was going to be the last one and I think they went out. If it was just scream 1, 2 and 3 then you know, it's not a bad way to end the trilogy. They do come back for a four and then they do a little sort of legacy reboot trilogy as well. But I don't know. I.

It's the weakest of the original three, but it's still worth the watch. And if you're a completist, you've got to see it. But Scream 1 and Scream 2 are definitely the best Scream movies. I still give it a thumbs up though. But it's a thumbs up that's a little bit tired because it needs a rest about half an hour before the end of this film. I'm with you on that. Apart from the Scream tuber. All right, do check it out if you haven't seen it. I'm sure you have though. If you tell

us. Yeah. What your favorite scary movie is. Anyways, it's getting late. It's getting late. Evening when we need to go. Mr. Nobody's waiting for me at the top of the stairs. So we'll be back in a minute. Yep. Say goodbye. Goodbye. And we're back again. Back again to say goodbye. Goodbye. Well, that was episode 178. That was scream two and three. Not sure if we'll come back to the Scream movies anytime soon. I'm not sure if it's. Might be worth.

Tell us, do you want us guys to do any more? Probably not happy with that. Doing the first three. Yeah, I'm fine. We'll definitely come. We'll definitely come back to Wes Craven. I'm happ happy to come back and do a couple more movies from his. We recently did on the Hills of Ice, didn't we? Yeah. I think Sarah would be happy if we'd finished the screen movies. There's a lot of them. I never thought there'd be seven of them. Yes,

there we go. Yeah, but. There we go. But then I never thought there'd be 11 fast and furious movies. So, you know. Yeah, we live and learn. So what is coming up next? Got some breaking news for you. Don't know what's coming up next, do you? Oh, no, I don't. I'm doing it again. The foyer music. So episode 179. Our next episode is a. And we have got Don Colier back on the throne. For that episode, Don. Don has selected two movies. Gav. For us to watch that. Ow. One of them is. One of them is

going to blow your doors off. Al. The TV show. The movie. No. Okay. The first one is a 2018 movie which I have seen called Climax Gaspinoir. Oh, okay. Yeah. No, it played at Fright Fest and it was a big, it was a big Monday ender and I didn't bother going along to watch it, but I'd heard a lot about it and I used to do a lot of work with a dance teacher making dance movies and things. And I discussed it with her because I was something we should probably watch, but we never watched it.

That's all I know about. I've seen it. It's trippy, it's arty, and it gets very, very brutal. So that's all we'll talk about. Out with that. It's my first time, then. Oh, it's a first time climaxing. It's my first climax. Everybody's gonna listen to my first climax. Well, I don't know if you'll be climaxing when you hear what the next movie is that he's picked. Okay, I've never seen it. Yeah, it's one movie that I've actively avoided watching.

But we're gonna be covering Serbian 6 2016's the Greasy Strangler. Oh, my. Oh, no. Don. I think Don might know. I think you've seen it, haven't you? I literally, I've, I literally had this on Saturday. Sarah's going, I really want to watch Greasy Stranger Day. And I said, I just. Please don't put me through it. And she said, I, I tried watching, watched it once and it was too greasy for me. I, I, I just. Oh, I was all grubby with grease. And then I,

then I think maybe another time a little bit of it. And I was like, no, I can't do this film. It's. It's too greasy. So, so right now, Sarah's Happy is a pig. I know. I know she is, and I am. Don't not happy about this, but because it's you patrons, I've got to do it like. So, Don, you selected Climax and Greasy Strangler. I don't expect nice words from me. You'll be climaxing on a Greasy Strangler. So greasy after that, though. Episode 180.

180. And it's so funny because I said to. At the weekend, I'm with Sarah, what the next movies we're gonna watch. How funny that you two were discussing. And she wanted to watch it. And I was like, don't put me further on my. Watch it. And that would have been the movie. So I'd been like, oh, I'm gonna have to watch it. It's almost like she knew after that, episode 180, we will be kicking off our summer with a return to Crystal Lake.

We'll be doing Jason 7 the New Blood from 1988 and then from 1989 because they love banging them out every year. Jason Takes Manhattan. Manhattan, baby. So that's what we'll be doing after that. And then for episode 181, we'll be going back to another franchise, which we're working our way through. And we'll be doing the Seed of Chucky in 2004 and the Curse of Chucky from 2013. I really like Curse.

Oh, cool. So we're going to be covering climax, Greasy Strangler, Jason 7, Jason 8, Chucky 5, and Chucky 6. Greasy's triangle. I've never seen it, so I. It's just so greasy. I read the synopsis on IMDb and I. What you watched, it's just like, oh, this is just such a horrible world that I don't want to be looking at. I can smell it. I could taste it. I need to shower. Don is very keen to hear our thoughts on it, so I'll make sure

we get lots of. I don't know how it ends either, but it's just green. It's big, long dick, and it's just. Oh. Oh, my God. God. Do you think we should do. It's disgusting. Should we do that and then climb back? Climax with Climax? I don't know. It's gonna be a bit of a messy episode because it's the end of Climax. I think it's gonna be a sloppy episode. Good. Well, the end of Climax is very messy and sloppy as well. So we'll

check those two out. Do Greasy Strangler first. Yeah, we're doing them in the order they came out. There we go. So that's what's coming up next. I think Sarah's going to be gutted because I don't think I'm gonna see her again in time to watch before we record again. Well, might be able to watch it remotely with her. I don't know. Yeah, but that's what's coming up next. Guys, guys. Thanks for sticking with us, dudes. Thanks. We love doing this.

I always say it's like therapy, apart. From the greasy strangler. Well, I haven't seen it, so I don't know yet, but I'll be getting my baby oil out for that, don't you worry. All my grease, Millard. It's probably P. Diddy's favorite movie. Oh, God. Well, probably time for us to do our usual thank you, thank yous and housekeepings before we say good night and goodbye to you all. Housekeeping. Housekeeping.

So, as always, we have been the podcast on Haunted Hill, a proud member of Legion Podcast Network for coming up on 12 years now, which is absolutely mental. It's crazy. That is crazy. We're also under the Devil media umbrella. We'll talk a little bit more about that in a moment. If you want to know more about Legion podcasts, goto LegionPodcasts.com where you can find out about all us and all the other shows on the network, including all of our

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And we occasionally release the episodes early to our patrons as exclusives and sometimes there's additional bonus content content on there as well. Yeah, there is, there is some old, there is some additional bonus content on there. So you can go back to the catalog. There's a few videos, extra stuff people haven't seen, extra little podcasts. I've done a few little reviews here and there of different films. Yeah. And I've done one or two tiny

little things here and there as well. Yeah, it's all on there. You can access absolutely everything we've done. The bonus stuff have its own category or do you have have to go through all the episodes to find you. Just scroll back through all. I believe there's a search function on Patreon, so you can just. You just do extra or type the. Word bonus or exclusive and you'll find it on there. And as always, I will be thanking every p, every patron at the end of every episode by

name. And we've got two new ones as well to list. So thank you to all of our patrons and by name. I will thank you now. It's a longer list now, Gav, so get ready. I'm ready. Thank you to Schizophrenic Synapse, Sheila Dante, Don Collier, the Greasy Strangler, Matthew Godley, Jamie Jenkins, Kevin S. Fife, Sarah K. Rachel, RJ McCready and Lex Boo. Champions Golf

Club. Thank you. Thank you to all of our patrons. Thank you to all of our listeners, supporters, people that just share like comment and anything you can do. Yeah, just enjoy coming along of the journey with us. We appreciate it. We always know that when you come back, when you come front or when you come side. As long as you come, that's. As long as you come. That's it. Gav, it's been a pleasure as always to dissect some meta slasher films with you. Oh, zip is it was.

It was nice to talk about. You know, it's fine to talk about. I'm kind of glad we did it but. Yeah. Not running back to them anytime soon. But I probably will at some point again in the future. Yeah, they have their place in Horace. They do. Yeah. It's one of those things you're like, oh, I fancy watch the screen movies and do like a few of them them. Do you know what I mean? That's how you do it. I think you probably watch a couple. Nights but anyway it's.

It's a good night from Ghost Face or Jizz Face. It's a good night from how the did he end up over there but then pop up over there but then throw someone out of a window when it was really a little woman and then do this and then do that? I don't know. And it's a good night from Lance Henriksen's secret room. It is. And that is also the problem of Thanksgiving, where at the end, when you find out who it is, is, and you look back through it, you go, that makes no sense. That makes no sense.

It can't be there. Can't be there. Unless he's got little portals for time. But anyway, that could be a good horror movie, right? Someone finds a portal device. Have you seen Time? Yes. Yeah, we're covering it soon, are we? Splendid. Anyway, it's a good night for me. It's good night for Dan. It's good night for all of us. Be safe. Safe. Be happy. Lock closed doors, windows, looking at

the bed, in the cupboard, down the toilet. And if somebody phones you and asks you what your favorite scary movie is, make sure you tell them the Greasy Strangler. Good night. Good night. Thank you for listening to the podcast on Haunted Hill. We will be back again real soon. No tears, please.