Duncan and Bo Come True Detective: Night Country – Part Three

Jesus Pete That's weird, right? Do you think that guy scratched his own eyes out? How many hours have you been here staring at this shit drop it?

Duncan and Bo come correct Duncan but you ever you ever have yourself a Bit of a snag in the production pipe pipeline a Snag in the production light, but I'm not often all right Well, this is gotta follow deaf ears So So what happened is supposed to get easier over time Yeah, well, but I invent shit that I need to do as so here's the You know there is a video version of the show that is going to be on

the Legion podcast patreon. Yep, and Here's what I didn't account for is I needed to do an intro

For that I don't I don't need to that's overstating it. I invented an intro that I needed to do For for the opening of the show because I wanted to do kind of a parody of the true detective And I've got like I've been working on it and so forth and I realized that at a certain point that I'd I'd been spending all of my free time doing that That I hadn't actually I Hadn't actually done the regular audio show which is not good and so It's as

organizationally speaking it's not good and at any rate so that is now out the other one dropped like right after So as you're listening to this episode, we are now officially back on schedule. So Sorry a bit like it was one of those things of like, oh fuck. Well, let's put all of it out Also, like it's probably probably we're saying there is gonna be a gap in this season Don't know if you knew that I didn't I know that when is the gap And apparently superbowl something oh next Sunday. Yeah, so

Episode five won't be out next Sunday. It'll be out the week after Week off bitches. I I I did not know that and that makes perfect sense and also I hate it Anyway, but so alright, so we'll be off a week But by that point all of the video stuff will be out because that pipelines running smooth now Duncan Weirdly it will cat because we were a week out of sync. So this will actually weirdly bring us back and almost as if though We'd always planned it Almost as if it was never there at all

That was where Shatner wasn't it? Yeah, it was never there at all Your shot is pretty good. It's it's recognizable as Shatner I'll say that Yeah, and if you throw the mister in there, that's really what sells it You think I'm a bloody click-on mister

Anyway, um, hey buddy. Oh, this is Duncan come correct. I'm that's what this is. Yeah, I'm Duncan. He's bow And have always been and yes, none of us have ever been robots We never did an episode once where Dermot was part of our Dude that was as far as concept episodes go it's probably the best yeah, maybe the best I think it was your idea Yeah, but I think you're the one that leaned into most of the gags on that episode

So it's like all like we'd somehow managed to tie in everything we'd said the week before but we attributed Whole sections to them. Mm-hmm who rolled with it as well. They're like like yes, I did as we'd Right through that and a glorious fashion. So it was a yes It was a very special episode of Duncan and Bo come correct one of those that airs right after school Yeah, listen one of those is maybe maybe of that later The ex fails it was probably the high-water mark as far as the episodes. Yeah

Yes, yes. Yes Speaking of hey, do you mind if I go first and do my bad first? Of course always, okay? Because I mean as and go first not that I would mind. Oh great I don't mind stepping on people's feelings Duncan So I am now through episode 20 Of season two of Twin Peaks. Oh, right. You're close. So yeah, so this is kind of my bad But this is also that segment of episodes where you start to see things Like the ship is slowly riding itself. Yeah, David Lynch has been told to come back

Right, and it's like oh shit. That's coming home. We got to clean this place up We got to get rid of where's James been for half this season. God damn it I got yeah, I got a letter from James. All right. Well, that's as much James as we're gonna have in this episode What do we all agree?

That a letter vaguely referenced by Donna is as far down the James path as we're willing to go. That's right Hey, dude One of those episodes though that I watched because I watched 18 19 and 20 since the last time we recorded and One of the episodes is the Donna past the peace stop And when that when the scene came up, I I genuinely

Laughed very hard. Yeah, our Twin Peaks lore runs deep Almost as deep as the show like I almost feel like Mark Frost could write a third Book on the history of Twin Peaks just on the the alternative lore recreated just in our podcast I like to think that we are the tulpa that Twin Peaks as a show creator Anyway, you're you did you did like you're up to episode 20. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so we're getting into you're starting to get you're starting You're starting to get back into some

Black Lodge territory. Yeah. Oh for sure. Yeah I mean in fact the last episode was the whole like it was called the what path to the black lodge or journey to the black Lodge Yeah, so Yeah, it's like all of that stuff is really fun agent Cooper is back in uniform and not fucking around in his you know Flannel J crew look

Which is fucking look some of season two is great. There are some great stuff in season two But man, there is some shit I think the problem is and we covered it then and I think everyone It's not as if we're breaking you ground here Everything up until the reveal of Leland Palmer as a killer is Fucking awesome and up to and including the reveal and his death. Like yes, that may be the last great episode

Season two. Yeah, is the death of Leland Palmer and like ray wise is killing it and it's just nuts and like Yeah, it's great. It's a terrific episode I don't think it ever hits that high water market until the very very very end of the season until the until the last episode Which until David Lynch is about cancel my show. Will you here's a cliffhanger? Yeah

Make a movie that will answer all these questions. Here's a cliffhanger What come back years later and make a third season 18 hours of prime fucking television to answer all these questions Here's a cliffhanger. I love David Lynch. Yeah, I really really really do Yeah, I can't wait to be back in the banquet Del Mibbler and the bomb Del Mibbler still one of the great names in entertainment, but yeah, so that's my bad But I all to say I'm really really enjoying my

Rewatch of it. It's so much fun and I after this. I'm definitely doing fire walk with me and You know Season three. Yeah, like it's I'm in I'm all in on the ride now. So Where's Annie Yeah, it's incredible. Yeah Heather Graham, maybe not great on the show Yeah, she was still quite young. Yeah, I think there's like an early performance and then she went right into Lynch I mean, that's like but you don't go just right into Lynch unless you're Cal McLaughlin

Well, I'll let you know the only actor who maybe went straight into Lynch and came out smelling of roses. I yeah, but In many ways McLaughlin is kind of an extension of Lynch and it was willing to be bad. Yeah Yeah, I recently watched Lynch's June off the back of watching Villeneuve's June and like you can see

How much Lynch is kind of infatuated with Cal McLaughlin's presence on camera. It's like he's found these He's found his vessel so to speak and as a result, you know, it does not surprise me that post that That was just like I need to use him in everything Which is my good for this week by the way, I Blue velvet. Yeah, and so I've been on a

That's a great movie. I've been on a weird little kick recently and last week And it was announced that the Coen Brothers were kind of reuniting as a And they're coming back with a horror movie and not only the coming back with a horror movie He basically said in the interview, you know that we were you know, we're going back to our blood simple roots

And I was like, oh blood simple such a fucking good movie. So I watched blood simple. I've had a great week By the way, I've like I've been solo parent and so every night I've been watching like a proper adult movie Not like a pornographic movie a proper adult movie So it balances out all the fucking kids shit that I have to watch with my daughter And she's in it like dinosaur programs and fucking

Peppa Pig and all that nonsense. So like I come off that and I rocked blood simple one night And then like I was just I just had a hankering for some blue velvet the following night I just like this is like what you see when people I understand when people talk about this The 70s being the kind of high-water mark of like like proper like adult movie Cinema, you know, I just great stories great storytelling all the rest

I get that and it really really is it's hard to argue you can stack the best of the 70s up against almost any decade And I think it like you know, there's a there's a head and shoulders quality about that there are a whole lot of fucking amazing filmmakers that find their voice in the 80s and just hit home runs and Like you want that you do a double back-to-back bill of And blood simple and to blue velvet and you're just like this is fucking awesome the section of your

More the themes I weirdly I always I always kind of think those because they're both kind of they're no water Noir mysteries and I always kind of pair the two of them together even though Stylistically, they could be any further apart And they always kind of get lumped into that weird banner together. So yeah, I revisited blue velvet, which I mean I still think it like my hauling drive may be right there with it But I think blood simple is still my favorite. No, it's simple

Blue velvet is my favorite Lynch. I think I think it's the it's the one where He's he's not when like to Citeric it's the one where I think he kind of kind of covers that that idea of This is the American dream But and he literally does it in the movie look at the like the the white picket fences and the green grass and all the rest But just go down a layer down then you'll find a severed ear

You know like there's I think he gets all that I think that one it has maybe my favorite villain performance in a Lynch movie It's pretty good. It's pretty good. Why Dennis Hopper is fucking terrifying in that movie. Well, it's like really Fucking terrifying. So yeah, I think I think

And I'll change my mind by tomorrow. What my hauling drive is always there for me is like Like just this is like a different level of cinema, but in terms of just pure narrative I think him blue velvet might be my favorite We've had this conversation recently. I I probably would have agreed with you up until like six months ago

Yeah, and now I'm fire what with me. He's really fucking good man. Like we like It gets I think It's one of those ones where time will only ever be kind to that movie Yeah, I mean it feels like such a perfect expression of Lynch in so many ways And it's the most horror movie of the movies. He's ever done. Yeah It's the one where he leans. Well, I thought the whole end of that movie and the and the fucking rail car is is like nightmare fuel

It's shocking shot. I mean even now It is a shocking scene Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so what do you think? Which is the better movie blood sample blue velvet? and who I think Here's it. Here's it. Here's where like here's where it gets difficult No, here's where it gets difficult. You can't answer that because blood samples technically the Coen Brothers first movie And that's David Lynch. He's what fourth fourth

Already fucking he'd already got all the awards for the elephant man. So it's If you put a gun to my head and said, which is my favorite is blue velvet If you ask me what is the better movie as in like a to b to see narrative is blood sample blood sample is like Blood sample is the perfect noir movie like see if you're talking about like like people talk about neo noir and like all that sort of stuff Do I just strip out the neo from that and just as a noir movie is

Is is like I would put that just maybe up there in my top five noir movies ever made And that's a genre that I love so

It's that fucking good and it's so unassuming. It's such a simple simple simple movie It's like It's so eat like because there's nothing to hide behind in that movie You should be able to see the cracks and you do not see the cracks and that's what well You watch that movie and you tell me all these guys are gonna go on and win Oscars and direct like like some Movies that will define decades and I would believe that just from watching that movie

Yeah, for sure. I can't wait to have them back doing back back doing a gory horror movie Which kind of feels like like it kind of feels like a nice bookend and a lot of respects because they got there They got their start way back in the day with Sam Raimi. So Back at evil dead time. So it's it's kind of cool to see them kind of leaning back into that It would be nice to see them team up and just have some fun. Yeah, and I mean

Geez, what was the the cowboy anthology the ballad? Oh a but Buster Scruggs. Yeah, yeah Buster Scruggs Like that movie is just them having a blast. Oh, good. Yeah, terrific Yeah, yeah, anyway, uh, so where were that was your good? I've done my bad. Where is that it? Um, I do the other movie that I wanted to mention is another good. I haven't actually seen anything bad. Oh, okay Revisited matinee Joe Dante. I I keep meaning to go back to that and I don't know

I saw once a year movie for me and it's all it always tends to be after Christmas. Um, I love it I think it's one of those movies that I've been reveling in cinema. It's just like like that like good old-timey cinema and It's another one Joe Dante is another one that I think people forget like that run Of movies and from piranha through to matinee is just Yeah, fucking awesome. They're really special like he's yeah

Yeah, all like like like decade like that he's run is is defined some of the decade. Yeah Oh, yeah, like I grew up those were the movies. I grew up watching and

and like he kind of lost a little bit in the night. He's definitely lost in the 2000s. Um, but You know, like going back to which matinee's always that one that I go back and I just feel like This is his this is his showing his love of a particular time in cinema Well, when it was magic was all like magic and trickery and William Castle and all the rest Um, I love it performances are awesome as well. So yeah, so I've had a good time in the last week

What was your good? I watched that new mission impossible did reckoning part one All right, it did not do well commercially. I didn't but it's good Mission impossible stuff. Like I've really enjoyed that series. Yeah, he's riding the wave now. I think the last Is it since ghost protocol? I think I think those ones have all been really good the one that he did I'm not a big fan of the john way one, which I think is the second one. Yeah three. I like a lot

Threes three split pics. I didn't like four and I think five on ones has has been has been great That previous one to the new one, which I haven't seen yet is as an action movie out. Yeah, like an awesome Terrific. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that that's how this one is. Um Even though this is a thing split into two parts or maybe because it's a thing split into two parts at times It feels a little bloated. Um, but

The stunts are fucking amazing. Like they're they're still the only ones in the game That are doing these kinds of like real world Big deal stunts. Yeah, and they look great like the one of him going I mean everybody's seen it, but it's him doing the motorcycle run off the mountain into the parachute And it's like that's fucking great. Yeah, like I know that this is probably how he'll die and should

Yeah, before the Scientology documents get get out there. Let's let's let's encapsulate them as we remember them as a guy who Like to take like like insane risks that I'm surprised like at this stage. I'm surprised studio's a little bit I'm surprised. There's not a sea of lawyers going like that. No Well, but he's the producer also and I think that's What buys him the like I'm I'm gonna fucking do this And they're like, well, we There are plenty of meetings. I'm sure he has

Where they strongly suggest that he he does. Yeah, he stops and he's just like, I'm you know, hey, I'm gonna do it he says But it's also become a cartoon weasel. Yeah a little bit a little but isn't that Really what his vibe Oh god. Yeah. Yeah, but it is I I really enjoyed the movie as much as I did a lot of the others They bring uh, haley atwell into the mix and she's really fun

And yeah, it's just good. Like they're good fucking movies. They're they're funny at times and the action is great and the stunts are kind of mind blowing And it it's what those movies ought to be You know that these they're these just great spectacle films and uh, and they deliver You know and like the plot is stupid In a way that most of them are Yeah, and and so it's like, yeah, yeah, fine. Get to this stuff. Like just just explain it

Like I say this all the time in these movies where I just need somebody periodically to be like, all right dummies. Here's what's happening We have to go get this key Which we have a counterfeit one. Yeah, you understand it. That means fake And we're gonna go get swap it for the real one And so that's the next one minutes of the movie. All right, so as always, is it always the death star thing?

Isn't it? It's always like that. There's this code, but it's locked in the secure building. Yes like under under like under like 17 000 tons of Of gravel and cement and there's only one way in and I'm thinking to myself. Well, that's your weakness there like Like like no, it's a secure room But we'll have air vents and I'm like, well, there's there's your entry point right there

Who invented the shrimp? Yeah, let's get the sneakers on the case and they'll tell you they'll give you a penetration report You need to close that vent. That's my city. Poitiers should be like it telling it. Well, you know, um One one other addendum and then we'll actually start talking about the fucking show that we're building a show around So I gotta tell you I've for for some crazy reason Uh, I've I've been watching that recent update of the stand

That was like the 10 episode. Oh, yeah, that came out to next to no fanfare. Oh, sure Is Is it bad? I'm halfway. It's the thing is it's not terrible And that's why it's it's more frustrating because there are moments that are really really good But there are just as many moments. They're like, oh, what the fuck are you doing? This is stupid. Also, where's trash can man? You're not gonna have a trash can man. What the fuck are you talking about? Um, did you not see pom diddy pom diddy?

Um, met fruer on the four wheeler Uh, he has not shown up yet in the show and that's disappointing. Um, it gets something Things really right about what makes the stand kind of interesting and it it Also moves the chronology around within the episodes So like like at the very beginning the very first episode the opening scene is herald lauder While they're already in boulder as they're on the body crew But is that the is that a deliberate choice in or

They're doing lots of flashbacks and right and and so the thing that they're doing that I think is actually kind of smart Is you're getting these scenes from kind of the early days of the pandemic Yeah, and and then jumping forward. So you're kind of telling

Both halves of the book concurrently. Yeah, you know and um, so I like that impulse but it also like they just No version of the stand has yet nailed the character herald lauder who's integral to the story Yeah, and both times they'd air they've aired on the side of greasy weirdo And it's just like I understand that he's kind of a nerd and he's kind of pimply and gross and all that stuff Even in the book, but it's like man Making this character this cartoonish

Is ruining the vibe of the show and but alexander sarsgard is the is randall flag I see he is and really like him. I I really like him as well. I'm like the fucking northman showing up as the walk-in dude and i'm down for it and There are moments when he's on screen that you're like fuck

He is good at this. He is good at being a villain, but um, yeah, it's it's it's frustrating It's a frustrating watch and i'm gonna keep doing it because i i want to see how where they get with it You know, like do you do the hand of god coming down like how do you do the the weirdest ending in steve king's library? Where it's literally god intervening Probably not the way that you think I at that point they're just like oh and by the way, there's a trash can man Oh, you got me the stand

Um, all right. Hey, you want to talk about this show? Yeah, let's let's talk about episode three. Okay, so here we go um, this is uh written and directed by issa lopez along with uh, alan page is the other writer on this who um Has done some like some walking dead stuff and did the movie Uh babble was a consulting. Oh, yeah A script consultant something. Uh, but has has written handful of stuff nothing that is going to knock your socks off Um shining girls

Hello, denny come and play with us. It's forever and ever and ever it's just about the twins Yep That's the spin-off that we always wanted to never go. It's the the last voyage of the demeanor for the shining Uh, it's just a dad chopping them up and putting them in a cupboard. Um Let's keep it tidy. No, uh, I don't know what that is. Um It's charles grady obviously

Um, but uh, yeah, so uh, issa lopez, you know, again the driving force behind all of this. Yeah, and um Uh, yeah, so we're gonna start off Uh with navarro Showing up and that we're in in a flashback. We begin. Yeah, this is seven years before Yeah, and it's the first time that navarro meets annie k is what we're saying uh, she shows up to arrest her or serve her or something and

Uh, annie k is like, yeah, yeah, fine. Come on in. Uh, you can arrest me in a second I kind of I got some shit to do and she hears this woman screaming from outside and it's like What the fuck is going on in here? And it as it happens duncan It is actually a uh, a midwifery a baby hatchery of some sort. We found out in the last episode that that's what she did

Is the living yes in between being an activist. She was a midwife. So And and annie k kind of puts navarro to work Like hey get us some hot towels and and so forth and navarro kind of sits back and watches as this drama unfolds Where annie k is uh overseeing the birth of this child the child is born in you know a tub And yeah, and they pulled the baby out and the baby's not breathing And so we see uh them like doing a little you know, baby cpr To stay in alive, of course, you know

That's how you do it. That's the timing. Yeah And the baby comes back to life And the mother is like what's wrong with my baby? Oh, you saved the annie k your miracle As someone who has been through that experience twice the the i'll tell you right now the longest Pause in the world is from the point that the baby is born to the first cry

And my first child did it relatively quick my second child there. It felt like an eternity before she cried and The only problem was when she started crying she didn't stop for like three hours So we're kind of like what we think you broke her baby. Um going going undo what you just did there But yeah, like so like but she gets caught up in this it's not that there's a there's a kind of

And it's not the first time it happens in this episode. There's a real kind of mid samar sort of thing going on here where there's chanting and community and

You've got to remember navarro is part of this culture. We're going to get more information on this later on fact actually this episode heavily leans into the fact that she's kind of straddling two worlds this world of her heritage and this world of Being someone that has traveled the world and fought wars and all the rest and is coming back as a police officer separate from her community

But she is like fully engrossed in this also made me realize bow that if you ever want to get an arrest warrant deliver a baby Yeah, that's why I keep on no one's arresting you after that you're like look what I did

You're gonna put the coughs a minute and they're like get out of here. Yeah I'm a vassaline covered baby with me at all Can't talk now officer And at the at the back end of all this annie k kind of sticks out her wrist is like all right now you can cuff me and Uh, which is a pretty nice introduction to like annie k being This kind of wonder woman right like she's an activist and helping birth children and all this stuff. She's kind of you know

A perfect lady. Uh, and I have a theory. I want to update my theory I think I wasn't far off my theory by the way, but I'm now I'm now doubling down My new update on my theory is um in this episode There is another stillborn baby Do we think that annie was investigating stillborn babies as he Sight effect of the mining work And she maybe got a little bit too close to the truth and as a result was

Shushed because I don't I'll stress this right now. We're going to talk about the very end of this episode at the end of this episode Um, and I don't think that's what snuffs her out Okay screaming you here at the end of this episode. I don't think it's hard dying because it doesn't make sense when we get to Yeah, yeah, yeah The end of a wreck

There is a bit of a kid, uh, you know, this was my movie and sharp Heather. Um There is a I could a little a little bit of that but um, yeah, I think There's a lot of talk about health problems specifically health problems in this episode and stillborn children And this kid came out and didn't come out breathing And she kind of was there to save the day that makes me wonder if there's a wee pattern going here which escalates um the veracity of which she is um perpetrating her

Environmental pursuits, let's put it that way. Gotcha. Okay

Uh, all right. So then we jump back to the present. It is december 22nd now. Yes, fifth day of night And we get a tip of the hat to jaws at the beginning of this episode Where hawks and a bunch of good ol boys have gone out on the ice and hawks is doing a real We're gonna search every hen house out house And our fugitive is wearing a pink parka Uh, but it's a real like a combination of that and like I said the jaws thing of a bunch of local yokels going out to

Oh, yeah, this doesn't look like this this ends up exactly by the once again by later on in this episode This ends up exactly how you think it's gonna end up With jody fuster real pissed about it. Um, yeah Yeah, so they're all going out on the ice to hunt for clark who is missing Uh one by the way, one of the deputies agent cooper Well done is alopeas. I get it. Oh, she's she's she's just she's having a fucking ball and I love it And navarro

Like confronts hawks. It is like hey, hey, hey tell these fucking morons that we've got to take clark alive Yeah, you know because we need him alive and hawks is like do we do do it though? Yeah, we actually need them alive though. Um Yeah, it's uh It does like I like I am so like not sure about hank Like even more so in this episode like I am now like I I had at that, you know, he was like

I still think he's in the pocket of the mine, right? I think that's like that's like like for sure But I'm maybe starting to lean more towards your theory of him just being a bit of an idiot

Yeah, I think he's a useful idiot. I think that's the the kind of character he is. Um Speaking of danvers jody foster is trying to get him on the radio and isn't getting any answer Which of course makes her quite happy um, oh, oh Just a quick note, uh, so I'll remember it later Um before we cut to credits in this scene with danvers There is a moment where navarro finds like an orange that's been left behind

Yeah, so these guys have arrived with a pile of oranges, which I'm sure there's like some like seeing the credit sequence There's orange peel in oranges. So I'm sure that that means something but with the connection to scurvy I don't know what that might be

Yeah, unsure yet, but it comes up again later. But yeah, so then back to danvers who's trying to raise hawks on the radio No luck there Uh, and then pete, uh, points out that hey all the files from the trailer that they found in in the nook Um are in Yeah, like danvers is like looking for a fight here. Like she's like she's like She can't get a hand on the phone

Which is like clearly an oida and the hank sun's there. So, you know pete Pete's gonna get a lot of kind of well Why where did you put them and he's like in the evidence room?

So, why did you put the evidence in the evidence room? Like yeah, it's disgusting in there dr. Lecter. We gotta move to another room Also, i'm gonna need you to dig a hole and then Dig another hole to put the dirt in from the first hole and then you put the dirt from the second hole in the first hole You understand what i'm saying She says like can you like here's like annie's phone. Can you like hack the phone and he's like what means you think I can hack a phone?

She's like you're in your 30s. You've got friends go and do it Yeah, that's part of the conversation too where she's like i'm gonna need you to make a transfer for navarro into our unit Don't worry about it. It's just a one-time thing Uh, but yeah the the moment where she asked him to hack the phone. I thought was really funny

Yeah, but also he's he's gonna kick back on this. So he's basically He's gonna he's gonna he's gonna finally get us a little bit I fucking love this coming up here But he's he's gonna kind of try and pry into What is that? What was the reason that navarro was moved out of the force? Why were they no longer working together?

Yeah, I I really like this thing and all it goes back to way back when we talked about um The quote at the beginning of the first episode of the unreliable narrator in here We're getting a very clear example of this of jody foster Being the unreliable narrator for pete and it's also that this is vintage true detective. Yeah

Right, this is season one. This is the like they shoot the The the fucking met dealer in the head and then play it off as something else happened with this great story Where they're all congratulated and all the rest even though Your interior actually fucking destroyed their case and their friendship or like season two the guns shoot out That's really that's refactored when they tell it back to the police for how that happened In season three the majority of season three like is kind of

You know like as it's kind of told through that that lens as well And we get this here and basically they were partners, which we kind of thought they were um But they were on this this case the

What was it the william wheeler? Yeah wheeler case and she says listen this guy wheeler He beat the shit out of his wife repeatedly But we couldn't do anything because whenever we went there He would flash this kind of sanctum on his smile on his face a base that said she's fallen down the stairs or fallen on the Is or you know bought a cupboard or whatever and they knew they knew that without her testimony nothing could happen And it would you know it was these things only end one way

And it ended exactly the way they thought it was gonna With them being called out to the scene of a crime to arrive and find that You know he has killed her the beauty of this scene is that we she is telling you the version Verbally and we are seeing what actually happened or once again Maybe her memory of what happened, but basically what she says is when we arrived there she was dead and he had killed himself So like a kind of murder suicide sort of thing. Um, but what we see

Is wheeler is in his chair kind of laughing. I think he's is he not singing that song from the beginning? Yeah, he's whistling Yeah, yeah, but is he is he not singing? Is he not whistle and twisting shout? I couldn't quite place it I don't think it's twist and shout. I'll tell you what all all fact check us, but yeah going so he's whistling something to come in and basically We see the two of them standing together interestingly enough. We don't see Who killed him?

But what we do see is if you if you pay close attention It looks like Danvers starts to lower gun when she sees the body and it looks like Navarro tense is up and knowing what their personalities are like And how their relationship fractured after this the assumption would be and I'm all for true detective doing a 180 and pulling the rug out from under my feet and show me it was other way around but kind of looks like Navarro may have put this guy down and you know Danvers

Couldn't work with her after that because she'd seen a different side of her and then got transferred out was really interested about this as well as it looks like Hank may have buried Hank knows the answer to this. Hank knows there's there's more going on here Um, and maybe that's why he's still there Because he's a dick. He's an incompetent cop

But maybe he's been kicked around because he's that useful idiot. We said but he's also holding on to this secret Which is why he'd like squares up to Danvers so much Because you got to think if she shot him in the head with her gun That's her bullet So even if he staged the crime took another way He would have had to have her gun shoot the bullet unless the evidence was tampered with and you need someone else to tamper with that Delightly going to be Hank so

Makes me wonder bow makes me wonder. Yeah Yeah, it it's really an interesting and kind of fun scene Yeah, um And but it's also why they would end up you can imagine like from a Danvers point of view is someone who is I mean has a temper but she does kind of She's the alpha in the situation to have your partner fly off the rails and do something so reckless as that

Like egregiously break the law. She's all for blurring the lines She's gonna try and do it once or twice in this episode But like to like basically cold-blooded cold-blooded murdered someone You can see why Danvers would be like I can't work with you anymore. I don't want to you know, obviously We've got a relationship. So I don't want you off the force, but you can't work in the same

You can't work in the same precinct as me. So and transfers are out Um, yeah, so and as Pete is leaving after this conversation Do you think Pete bought it because I like I kind of think he was like, um, I I think

Not entirely. Yeah, because I think he understands that sometimes she just lies to him. Yeah Like like, you know Danvers is many things but one one thing one of those things Is that if she believes that she's doing a thing for the right reason, yeah, she'll do some kind of horrible shit Yeah, uh, but we'll

I've had a character revelation about her as well. So we'll we'll get to that in a minute But anyway, so yeah, he's taken off and Danvers is like, I'm gonna need you to tell your dad to get rid of those hillbilly friends or I'm calling immigration on his mail order bride. Yeah, which is Yeah, it's also such a fucking thing. Like she can see Peter's face. Yeah as well Like, you know, I mean, he's got he's got like a wealth on the side of his face, right?

And she knows where that's come from and she's putting them Back in the position of Being her mouthpiece to His dad Well, she's not doing him any favors at all. No, it's a real fucked up thing to do. Yeah. Yeah, it's such a dick move Yeah, well, yeah, but that's kind of Like Danvers is not a bad person But she does really petty shit Yeah

It's ownership, isn't it? Yeah, really. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's her Like I'm gonna have my way and I'm gonna manipulate the people around me Because I'm doing what's right for them or best for them Whether they want me to do that or not, you know, I mean it goes back to the like, uh, You know her daughter-in-law Are well Pete's wife being like, you know, save your favor your favors for your own family Yeah, like we're fucking around in everybody else's business, but

Anyway, this is where we go to Navarro who's out on the ice and she's you know, looking for Clark or something And it just tosses the orange And wouldn't you know it Duncan? Someone or something in the dark Uh bounces it right back at her. So this is the shining. Yeah Like this is like straight up some shining shit, right? Yeah. Um, but I also wonder if

I've got I've also got a theory on the varro, right as well. Um like we don't know if We don't know if something rolls it back or if she just loses track Like she is like of all the people she's the one that's Everything supernatural that's happened in the shows only happened to her by herself Okay. All right. Yeah, I'm with you and especially with the history in her family and I think I think her and her sister

Both have the same affliction. I just think they view it differently Yeah, and if we are talking about a show that's that's toying with the ideas about unreliable narrators

That would certainly fit as well. That's how you that's how you do. What's interesting about this one is I think Like her interactions with rose I think have kind of focused I think she's I think she's in part she has a bit of mental health issues, but I also think rose their friendship their kinship Is because I think rose sees in her that she has the ability to potentially commune across the void because holding The kid this is I we think this is danvers kid um

Like holding up like basically appears in front of her and he seemingly has rolled this orange And then runs away. She tries to chase after him. She slips on the ice Like basically knocks herself out and then wakes up And the gulf war in afghanistan, maybe wherever she served She wakes up there and holding is there as well and holding is speaking backwards Like right out of fucking twin beaks, you know, I mean it's like, you know, they're like, but always he's speaking backwards

The writing on his jammies is backwards his pajamas. They're writing the text is all backwards as well So i'm like what we're fucking doing here. Um, and i'm i'm most likely Going to be wrong on this one. What I think he says is let's rock Um, he doesn't say that he doesn't say that. Yeah, but um, he says something

He says tell my mom and then he says something. I think it cuts right. We Intentionally cannot hear what comes after tell my mommy Well, he says he says listen tell my mom, which is interesting because the woman whose head

Was like fucking exploded in that scene. She also went up to him said listen Right and then there's a later scene in this episode where when she's talking about What how she fills her time up she says that she prays and we'll get into that scene later on but danvers Can it almost ridicules her a little bit and she says oh you talk to god and she says i don't talk to god i listen so this idea of listening to the dead maybe As an as is like something that's kind of maybe circling navarro

Which once again would explain why all the supernatural shit is happening to her but she wakes up on the ice With a she has a bump in the head And as she gets up her phone's fucking going and this is this is danvers basically saying i have 19 boxes of shit And there ain't no way i'm looking at it myself. So get your ass to mars. Yeah, so she heads back to the the station and They basically are sorting through the evidence and arranging it and rearranging it and

Linking things together. It's all you know sort of a montage sort of thing Also missing like they're missing a great opportunity for um a little bit of a kind of montage bike scene from TV's it

See it's all right. It's all right. See it's all right It certainly should be like putting out the photos all these murdered people Like all around just like high-fiving you're like tapping each other on the back like pretending to be a bull Charge a little This episode would have fucking leveled up bo But yeah, like they they're setting this up and they're working their way around and after a bit of time we're working their way around

I think they realized the they actually don't really have anything And this is where we you know, I really don't they just have a lot of pictures

Which i've always wondered how like that's how my brain would work if I had everything like down there. I would just be like photos I see lots of photographs um but but but but um whilst they're doing this Danvers weirdly with our connection to the kids spots a photograph we are Any keys we have an Ariana Ariana Grandi top and she's like ah, so this one must have been taken after 2016 And she's like how do you know that and she's like well she released that album in 2016 and i'm like

Danvers listen to Ariana Grandi like She's she's like Holmes where she knows like the specific color of ash. Yeah, you know Well clearly that is uh rich harry blend uh dr. Lecter I do I do like well well why they're like while they're doing this thing here She keeps like danvers keeps doing the Ask the question Yeah, and and she's like i'm not playing this fucking she can just tell navarro's lived through this before

Like i'm not playing this fucking dr. Lecter bullshit with you is Or are rather jody fosters socks the most comfortable looking socks you've ever seen Dear god almighty i wanted a pair um i mean i know that's a weird thing to notice in this scene But they're as they're kind of barefoot moving around the evidence. I was like man those look warm Yeah, i like i looked down at my very comfy slippers and realized how inadequate they were. Yeah, um

Yeah, they look really comfy. But the so basically they have this photo of our kind of 2016 Which would put her in the timeline on the run-up to her death and also when Approximately she would have been seeing clock. Um

So they have that and then they start they're like right. We know she's got blue in her hair at this point She died her hair blue so let's start looking for photographs where she's got blue here and She's in photos with clock and they start piecing this together and then they come across one photo where

It's not a selfie. Someone is taking it from a distance and like someone knew about this relationship So let's continue doing it and then it's navarro that steps up here navarro gets one and she notices there's a blue smudge A specific kind of blue smudge very somewhat of the hair color and she's like son of a fucking bitch um And then they go off like so they go off We have to uh, also address duncan the moment where

Pete shows up. Yeah, and pokes his head in and Uh, navarro is like you better run peat uh, and uh when Uh, he finally takes off of Danvers is like, hey quit making jokes about me robbing the cradle and shit around peat. Uh, i'm trying to keep that iron in the fire Uh, do we think do we do it like see this question do we think she is? Do we think she's interested that way in them? I think maybe I'm leaning the other way. I'm leaning the this is the son I lost

And he happens to be in the same profession as me. So i'm guiding him But I also would not argue with anyone that says serial shaggard danvers strike it again Well, I like the fact that At one point jody foster is like look, uh, you know, this is some it's later on when she's talking about being on tender And she says well, I don't fuck where I eat and danvers are uh, navarro is like you mean any more

Yeah, because also like also your boss was here like a night ago and you slept with him right and she's like keep that quiet Nobody knows about me fucking dr. Who and she's like everybody knows that you're fucking dr. Who I mean first you're constantly humming the song from the show. Yeah You said he's like a a TARDIS bigger on the outside of She wants to play with his Dalek Right, right that you had uh a sonic screwdriver of your own with him. Yeah, and

She's like nobody knows about that. She's like everybody knows about that And but then they get around to asking the question of like well, okay speaking of secret relationships Why did any k? Keep the relationship with clark secret What what what about that was a problem? And uh, so then yeah, we go from navarro Uh are from them at the station to them at navarro's uh friend susan

Yeah, who is the the one who died ani's hair. She's uh, she's uh work from her own home hairdresser. Yes And navarro is gonna ask her about the question and in a scene that kind of tells you that Danvers isn't all bad and all prickly Yeah, and also I think she's like inherently practically this is how you know that these two work together for a while Because the instantly like she instantly knows listen navarro is the one that has a relationship here

She's the one that's going to get the answers out here Like I need to make myself useful how I make myself useful is interacting with kids Which she apparently is really good at which is by links back to that holding things She lost a kid about this kid's age Um And she knows all like she's kept in tune with all this Kind of like like like all the names all these cartoon characters and all the rest and she noticed that this kid's wearing a

A particular cartoon unicorn and she knows all about that. So she kind of takes the kid away So navarro can question come with me little girl. We're gonna make some mac and cheese It's all right. I got you now. It's all right I got you And uh, well, and then navarro has her talk with susan and and susan reveals some actually

Genuinely interesting information. She moves the case forward for us And she was like, yeah, I used to cut hair up at salol And annie wanted to go with me and weird detail it kept insisting is how she yeah weird detail

Almost as almost as if almost as if she wanted to make a connection there to find it. Maybe if mining I don't know mining practices could contribute to stillbirths from a scientist bow from a fucking scientist bow And uh, that's where she meets clark Yeah, and he was immediately fixated on the spiral tat that she had and we confirmed it was that tattoo in particular

We also found out where the idea came from from the spiral tat. Yeah, she dreamed it Duncan She dreamed it and the dream stopped when she got the tattoo Literally how I buy things like I I'm in my bed and I've said this before like the the one that was the most kind of prominent for I just recording dream for about the best part of two months circa 2005 Um, and it was of the ending of the movie the last broadcast and I bought the

The vhs of the last broadcast because it wasn't a dv at the time. I bought an extra rental version of it Um From like a blockbuster and the di bought it. I stopped dreaming about it. Oh, wow. That's interesting

It has happened with other things like small purchases. Nothing like extravagant like a Ferrari or anything like that But like I'll have a you or a child um But there will be occasions where I'll have recording dreams about a movie or Like something I've read like a book that I read years ago like when I was at school I found this in as a bias not thinking about

Huh, that's interesting. Yeah, I don't know how I would solve that like all my recurring dreams are about varieties of cookie And which is really the best bake the cookies, but I guess I guess I should uh, you know snickerdoodles on my mind Um, yeah, like so soon as she says she got this tattooed on her the dreams stopped But our buddy clark was a little obsessed with it Well in navarro asked her like hey was he like a freak and she was like yeah I mean he was weird and he was quiet

But he really was into annie and he was a nice guy Yeah, so at this point he hadn't went cray-cray right and she also mentions that there's um A guy named oliver Yeah, I know where she's like yeah, I was dating someone from up there. That's all of our whatever they were like I think is his name. Yeah, they're like there's Who and she was like, oh, yeah, he left Actually, he left just before annie died And we're like, uh-huh and they're like well, so where the fuck is this guy?

Yeah, and they're like and and susan's like, oh, he's just out on the eye somewhere now. He doesn't want to be found and uh, and then one last tidbit Is uh, she's like, you know, I've mentioned this before I called and left an anonymous tip about clark and uh, also by the way, it was so weird that annie was Always trying to keep this secret

Yeah, so annie always trying to keep it secret right not clark. It was annie who was very much Trying to keep all of this on the down low And so the danvers and navarro are are then headed back and yeah, but also navarro was So fucking pissed off because she's like that hank suppressed us Yeah, right and and they're arguing about like well, why did he bury the rapport? What was in it for him?

and this is where danvers drops that she's on tender Yeah As you do yeah, she tries she tries to create some small talk and it's Like she asks if she's still fucking the guy with the dogs she basically um And then i was like that and she's like you still sleeping with taking dr. Who and she's like, no I don't fucking the shit where I eat She's like anymore. Yeah, we get all this stuff that comes out here

But this is where I was starting to think hank is a useful idiot. Yeah, well, and I was like that the mind just said suppress that yeah Oh for sure and and uh, this is also the moment you talked about earlier where Um navarro talks about how she prays and listens. Yeah, and she specifically says that she listens um, but then she gets super goth And is like you ever just want to disappear just open the door and start walking and Danvers is like what no What are you crazy?

And she's like no no not like I like I say the way which by the way is exactly what our sister does later on in this episode

Yes walks out nice. So I think I think navarro has a version of what our sister has Yeah, I I think that's probably a good call um Oh, so we go back to god man There are like three scenes of this show uh, or this episode that I dearly love and one is coming up so Pete is watching over the slowly thawing pile of bodies still and and John hog shows up and seems like he's trying to make a little bit of peace here And it's like handing over some ice skates he found for Pete's kid yeah, and

Just as this like nice moment between father and son is going down Income danvers and navarro like rolling in yeah to beat the band and yeah, and navarro comes in fucking hot immediately gets in his face about like How did you followed up on the why didn't you follow up on this phone call that you got you got an anonymous report? and you did nothing with it and uh You know so they're arguing back and forth danvers gets in between them

Yeah, danvers basically shuts down navarro. Then danvers goes in on hank. This scene's fucking amazing In short is just like just Just do your fucking job. All right. Yeah, and uh Then hogs fires back about like stop trying to mrs. Robinson. Pete

Yeah, and then she just throws her drink on him. She throws a cup of hot coffee in his face. Yeah, and So hogs leaves at that point navarro is now pissed off because Uh danvers didn't do more to him for this breach Well, she says she says if you don't get your if you don't get your Hunter friends off the ice. I'm gonna bring you up in negligence. Yeah, right and Uh, but navarro is pissed about that and she storms off

And then Pete's like hey, who is who is mrs. Robinson? Yeah I don't have a clue for this one also on top of this as well In that scene with pete and Hank pete says to hank. Do you know what happened with that wheeler case? Yeah, like she like you can tell he knows something Yeah from the way he acts and this one So I think we probably will get something In the next three episodes that shows because that's what we do will show the split up

For the kind of fallout of the the wheeler case and how essentially hank played into that. Um, but yeah, like, um This is the second time hank's been warned about getting these militia friends off the ice And um the next time we see these militia friends everything has gone as we would say in the uk peak tong rhyming slown for wrong We would say tits up here in the states. Yeah tits up tits me gee. Um, so

Uh when in rumble, so this is where pete pitches, which I think is a great idea. I think like pete. I think is secretly Maybe the best character As far as a human being like he's the most put together person. Yeah. Well, I also think pete's a complete. I think pete lets everyone walk over him Yeah, I guess that's even his wife later on his wife walks over him. I think he's the only one that is

Kind of determined to be a good guy. Yeah. Yeah. So like he's the wholesome one He's the one that the system he's the only cop that the system hasn't broken yet Mm-hmm. Yeah, he's certainly not cynical like he is not a cynical bone in his body Will be by the end when he realizes his wife's heads in a box. Um, john does got the upper handbook. Um, so

Don't open the box dr. Elector You might find it delicious but yeah, like so He like he is the fact he is not picking up any of the conversation and comment The fact he isn't he's so naive that he doesn't understand everyone's basically saying dan versus a cougar

Right. She wants to fuck you. She wants to fuck your young hot body of But he he's like, hey, I've got some bad news for you Uh, the forensic examiner isn't going to be able to make it because all these storms happening Uh, he's like, but I've got an idea and she's like, all right hit me He's like, well, I've got a buddy of mine

That's a veterinarian. I think is he's cousin. It turns out to be his cousin. He doesn't introduce him like that Which I think is very funny that he's like, I've got I know someone who's a veterinarian that's like, well, this is my cousin um but Dan versus like I really really thoroughly hate this idea But also I have no choice. So get your weird vet buddy in here And uh, so then we go back to navara being out on the ice and very quickly Finds kovic her her uh, man friend. Yeah, her big

Alaskan beef. Yeah Out there just oil it himself on the ice. Um, dude We get an honest to goodness quit pro quo Clarice. Well, let's we literally get silence to the lambs in this. Yes

I fucking love it. Yes. She because uh, navara is like, hey, I'm looking for oliver to god Do you know where he is and he's like, yeah, I guess I'll ask around But if I do You've got to do something for me quit pro quo navarro You have to tell me something about yourself, which is again the silence of the lambs like yeah Tell me something about you navarro So tell me is your sister still screaming? um

Well, he basically asked about her mum. Yeah, this is I don't know how I like this like I feel for big sexy fucking hunk man, right because he clearly does not want to be in the friend zone, right? And he's essentially emotionally blackmailing her to learn about her As like some sort of currency that well if I know more about or maybe we can grow closer When he is not picking up that navarro isn't really interested in that

Yeah, he's trying to force them into a relationship. She does not want yes She wants to fuck him and and you know be friendly with him, but yes That's it and he's like he also thinks this is going to make them closer together by asking about his mum

Her mum, which is like maybe the most painful experience of her life. Let me just it's like tell me about the mother It's like like full-on fucking trauma central um But you get you get the story about essentially the but the broken home that she grew up in the horrific broken home, which On one hand you have a mother who there's a severe mental health problems and a father who was an alcoholic like a Fucking quasi child abuser um and this is the world that she grew up in but also

because of that she didn't Because of that she's kind of this is a straddle into the two What olds that was talking about and that all the stuff that would have given her her Heritage or well alaskan her her mother was the victim of a an unsolved murder Well, yeah, we're gonna get to that Um, we're gonna get that's why she became a cop. Well, right I mean in in that this is the point where she's like, you know, she never told me my uh inubiak name

Well, this is it. But she never like she knows she's so this whole connection to this place that she's at This isn't like that. She's there's a part of her that has become this is why she is the protector Of all these women You know, I mean all these ennis women like that she sees being beaten Murdered with no interest and all the rest because her mother was one Right. Yeah. Yeah for sure um so So like but for a reason big big sexy fishermen's like that. I'm so getting it wet later on

Um, and by that he means sticking his rod in the water to fish. Um, because you get none of that So, yeah, he got his answer about the mom and and promises to check into oliver to gawk Um, we cut over to lia Who we have not really seen in this episode yet And she's meeting up with her girlfriend at an anti-mine rally That seems to be hosted by the inubiak locals Yes, and it's a real like moment of awakening for lia where she's kind of surrounded by native people

Who are talking about defending the land and chanting we were here first and um, like it's a real like philosophical shift for her Is she walks in and someone says you not the The chief's daughter and she's like i'm i'm really sorry. She's like no, no, no, all are welcome Like although like there's like there's no hate here at all all are welcome. Um, so she gets kind of indoctrinated into their

group. Um I'm kind of going back on the I thought danvers was being Like kind of a little bit racist in the previous episode and I think in this episode I think I think we realize that the annie kee case actually has stuck with her quite a bit I I think she sees her Adopted daughter starting to manifest specific the lines on her chin I think it's as the scene is interspersed with like her looking at crime photos, but it's the lines on her chin and

The environmental activism and all the rest is basically fulfilling Fulfilling the prophecy of becoming the next annie kee Yeah, and I I think that makes that some of the shit that she does which is really Like short-sighted and kind of closed-minded but also Understandable because it goes back to her saying if you want to know what killed Annie Ennis killed annie like nobody was ever going to solve that. Yeah, and that as you said, this is what she is

This is what danvers is seeing ahead of lia. Yeah She she's seen the other side of it Same with it the you know the making the sex video with her schoolmate Like like it's like, you know, it was just a bit of fun and all the rest Danvers has clearly come across cases before where that stuff goes on the internet or she knows how that story ends So she's looking beyond that and as a result it's kind of almost minority of report Kind of

You're punishing her for something that hasn't happened by essentially extrapolating by this this could go to this could go to this

And then you're fucked or you're dead. Well, I mean that's the whole scene of her freaking out about lia talking to the grandmother and all that are just like Stay away from this not because she wants to like rob her of her culture But because the way she sees it Yes, her culture is a high-risk group For a crime and that's how she's processing is how do I keep you safe?

And that is such a well-written character. Yeah, such a well-written and like it's rolling out So like I said in the previous episode a particular view on her but in this episode it softened a little bit in between the huge amounts of manipulation and um I will get in a minute where she just clearly asks a vet to

Like break the law. Oh, I love it so much. It's my favorite thing in the whole episode of Yeah, but all right, but to finish this conversation We were having about the the previous scene like yeah, lia comes home and is changing into the like rally shirt Danvers sees her changing And it that's the point where she grabs her and is like wash that shit off your face and and yeah, and and it's a moment where As a viewer you understand like oh she is

She's trying to protect her like it's fucked up what she's doing But it's I also understand it. Yeah, uh, which as you said is a sign of a great character when you're like I don't agree with her. Yeah in in the moment, but I agree with her as a

parental figure, you know, yeah, she's a real she's a real person. You're right. People behave like that. So, yeah um So navarro is leaving covix and this is where she sees Uh, the boy on the ice and has the vision with the kid with the polar bear with the one eye Under his arm and the listen till you need to tell my mommy something And then she wakes up because uh, her sister is having a good old-fashioned freak out After leaving the diner

Um, and she immediately finds her I guess she's like, I know you which I thought was a little bit of a All right, fine. You know the writing on that was like, uh, that's a little too cool Also, like the coolest set piece ever. This is the frozen lake. This is the boat that's just

This is this is the fucking terror. There's just a boat frozen in the ice and that's where she goes to sit yeah, and You know, they hug and cry and and julie admits like, you know, sometimes I think bad stuff sometimes And she's like, I know and you know, um, so that's really kind of it for that scene Yeah, I think I think that's going to come ahead. I think the

Something bad's going to happen to the sister. I think yeah There's a foreboding nature of that where she's just not going to be there in time to save for the next time Or navarro does something to sacrifice herself for her sister. Yes, that could also I could see that um All right, so the pete gets home Tries to slip into bed, but immediately knocks over a light because he's god damn it Look, uh, look, he's got too much hawks in him to ever

Fully succeed at being sneaky. Um, but then he checks in on the baby and His wife is like, hey, I'm gonna go ahead and get up because I've got a test today anyway and uh, there there's a whole conversation about Yeah, this is to me the the bit where I realized that

Everyone bosses pete. Yeah because she says a comment which I know it's probably It comes from a nice place But she's like you're you're a different person and he's like No, I'm I was always a police officer and she's like no no the person I met was you know Like He was a fun and dumb, you know and he's like that but like but whams if I don't want to be fun and dumb You know, I want to be like I can't She's just she's kind of like you've changed on me and

It's kind of making him feel guilty. Although this is completely undermined three seconds later She's kind of making him feel guilty for wanting to be good at something right and like you said this case through Yeah, right like he seems determined to be a good cop Yeah, which again undermined immediately because he's starting to get text from danvers

Four in the morning, right? Well, hey, what do you know about oliver to gawk? You got a He's just like damn it and and just kind of ignores it and goes to bed and We get a a nice little scene of like everybody kind of shutting down for the day where Navarro's tucking jewels in danvers is just lying In bed staring up at the ceiling thinking about how shitty the world is or whatever and Then it is now december 23rd the sixth day of night And danvers immediately shows up at pete's

While there is this kind of wake happening

For the stillborn child. Yeah, and as you pointed out earlier, it's this kind of chanting really solemn moment and Danvers is surprisingly respectful and quiet and Kind of stays on the perimeter and isn't starting any shit She also moved by this so like it gets to her And as a result when she goes to the bathroom to get like some water and she turns the tap on and this gray sludge comes out You know, this is like this isn't like this is the the real life effect of what these

These indigenous people are going through so she's like like it kind of weirdly humanizes her for a split second Yeah, yeah, she seems like she's In the right headspace for about 30 seconds and then that'll all go away uh, so pete's veterinary cousin uh Is looking over the pile of bodies fucking great He is so clearly like out of his depth and knows it and it's just like I just want to go home

What do you need me to do? He says to him. Do you think he tried to claw his own eyes and he's like, how how long have you been staring at this?

That is so good. How long have you been looking at this a long time? I bet um And when danvers shows up though, he's like, hey, I look This is not my thing But I will tell you that uh, my guess is that they were dead before they froze because When when you go when you die on the ice, it's kind of weirdly peaceful And all of these people look like they're screaming camera pounds and it's like He says look if I had a guess and this is just a guess everybody understand this is just a guess

But my guess is that they died of maritax. That's what I'm guessing moleman. There's han's moleman He was the one who did it on the ice with the candlestick Uh, but he's like, I I think that they died of heart attacks induced by fright Yes, because I've seen this with caribou like you see this look on their face I've seen this with caribou like right in the opening scene bo. What are we doing here right now ladies and gents?

and This is where uh, he's like look, you know, I couldn't tell more without actually Doing an autopsy And she's like, yeah, that'd be a terrible idea. I mean you wouldn't do it, right? And And he's like, no, that'd be illegal and she's like, oh, yeah, sure. I mean, I'm I'm just kidding. Of course. I wouldn't ask you to do it. She totally was gonna do it Oh, yeah, if she could have got away like we can hide it like if you just do it on one of them

Um, I just like the one that's most messed up dude. It's so good. I love that moment of her like I mean you wouldn't you wouldn't do it, right? Like like all he's got to do is say yes He'll do it and this motherfucker's getting cut open, you know Like it's oh, I love it so much. It is my favorite thing in this whole whole episode. It is the best And then uh navarro shows up and he's like, oh, hey, by the way, I found to gawk and it's like, well, that was fucking quick

How'd that happen? Yeah, and also Pete's like but he wasn't he doesn't exist He's not in the database doesn't have a national security number. He doesn't have that social security number He doesn't have like all these things and she's she's like, yep. He lives it nice out Whatever commune it is And then she's like that not everything's on a computer. What did she keep calling them? It's not young

Yeah, that was not everything's on a computer freshman. Um, and so they're going to go off and track down This guy who I'm just going to see just now is mentally unstable He's he's he's like he's one of those survivalism guys

and uh, yeah, they call it the muckluck telegraph. She says that's how she finds him and uh So navarro, uh, has found him in this like remote ass village and they immediately go out there um into the middle of nowhere on the ice And as soon as they get there a couple of guys show up that are like the fuck you doing here, you know, like it's a real Yeah And navarro is like, hey, we're looking for oliver to gawk. Um, he is not a suspect in anything I want to make that clear

Uh, we just need to talk to him. We're not we're not trying to cause any trouble here and they uh You know like he's got this cabin kind of thing They motion to it without saying he's there. You're right. He may be there. He may not be there, they say and they Uh, they like go to the door and they knock on it a couple of times. Once again, navarro does another you wouldn't do this, would you? Um, like straight away where she's like, she didn't get she didn't get our answer to break

Like to bend the rules and break the law five minutes ago. So she's just gonna do it anyway Yeah, no, it's it's totally her just like saying loud. So someone else can over here like oh, what's that? Come on in. I got you and

They open the door. It's so dumb. They open the door And there's oliver to gawk sitting in a chair with a gun with a big old fucking gun right of like a big rifle and Uh, he's like, I I think you guys should leave and they're like, you know what we should but We need to ask you about annie k and he's like, what about her? and uh, they're like, well you You know, you saw her once she was still alive

And also all of your old colleagues are now dead too. But yeah, he doesn't want to answer on that and they're like, well, maybe He's like, um, he said something. They're like, well, maybe we'll bring you in. He's like bring me in for what? And he's like to find out what you know about the deaths at the salar station He's like what deaths at the salar station and she's like all your colleagues are dead and he visibly looks Shocked yeah

Any he asks specifically like oh even lond. Yeah, and they're like, no, no, no, he's not dead. He's at the hospital He might as well be but we see him right fuck sake. He's in rough shape dunkin um And then to gawk orders them out of his place at the end of the gun is like don't ever come back here. Yeah and uh they As they're leaving uh, is it to gawk who asks him about annie's real name?

Excuse me when they first he asked specifically about navarro's Yeah, um name and he's like that maybe you've forgotten it and she kind of doesn't want to answer and danvers was like, yo Yo, yo, yo, look at me. Look at me answer the question

And once again, this is the straddle in the two worlds. Yeah, but you can see it weighs on her it weighs heavy on her Um, well danvers asks her about it and she's like you wouldn't understand so there's no point in getting into this conversation Uh, but they get back in the truck and they get a call that lond is awake by the way And so they throw on the reds and blues and the siren and they are hauling ass Across the ice to get to this poor son of a bitch Oh my god, dude. It's such a

Tasty treat of a build up here. Yeah, because they the first person they encountered that get is a nurse and uh, she's like look he's a little agitated right now and he's How do I put that hard to look at? Yeah, and they're like, yeah, yeah, it's fine and uh, they go in there and he is like I mean, it's like the fucking guy from seven You know, yeah, he's missing. He's missing his legs. He's like, I think he's got one arms amputated

His other hand is like his fingers are all frostbitten. They're all black His eyes are basically he's blind now. His eyes are now he looks like a fucking ice walker from fucking game of thrones His eyes are like blue. He looks like he's been life-forced Yeah, he looks like he's been life-forced

Where's Patrick Stewart when you eat them? Uh, his nose is all black as well That's how the vampire is working this we do a little kissy kissy His nose is all blackened as well and um like It's like you look at it at this dude and you're like you need to be dead Like this this should be over for you. This is too much for you do like don't cut sometimes don't come back Sometimes they shouldn't come back I say it's like, um, it was again, it reminded me of silence in the arms where

They get like when a lecture cuts off the guy's face and puts it over and they're like that's peppermint. God damn it Speak to him and he's like, hey, you're looking real good peppermint. Hey, you're looking real good, dude Little do they know it's really me And that scene would be completely diffused if he's like, you're looking real good. They're peppermint. All you had was What if there was an actual turn to camera like guess what they think

That's that's that's that's the the hard break with it. I bet you're wondering how I ended up here right, right, right. Yeah, um so anyway they go in there and lund is screaming and shit and then, um He basically tells him that she's awake Right We woke her and now she's out in the ice. Yes, not on the ice in the eyes in the ice Uh, and she said he says, uh, she came for us in the dark And as he's howling now Yeah, they're like, oh, hey, there's a bunch of these

Yeah, assholes from the eyes. Did you did you did you know that earlier on like yesterday? There was all these guys he's kind of hunter guys with guns and alcohol and oranges just out on the ice Just run them up a muck. I mean, I don't suppose you warned anyone like hank is clearly going to get Hank is going to be in a lot of trouble in the next episode. I can't wait Yeah, but like she's like facetaly. So danvers danvers is going to go up against all these fucking armed militias herself

And she's like to navarro. She's like you keep an eye on him if he speaks I want to know what he says you stay here. So she goes away to take care of business and like once again Fearless badass like she walks right and there's all these kind of guys and hunter gear that's swinging around But she's right up there with the cuffs slamming people into walls

Cuffing them. Yeah throwing the cuffs on people throwing elbows like danvers Does not take shit from anyone ever That I mean that is if if there are two rules of duncan a bow come correct It is you should be fucking And number two is danvers does not take shit from anyone ever Wait, she she she'd like lays down the law hard. But while she's doing that once again when navarro is left by herself She uh witnesses Uh lund be a palm. Oh not at first at first. We get a good old-fashioned halloween

Corpse sitting up in here. This is a real Michael Myers. That's up. Yeah Totally sits up in the background and in the camera pan round and is there pan in background Basically he tells her that he has spoken to her mother on the other side talks to her by name calls her by name Evangeline I have spoken to thine mother um And he's basically like your mother Is looking forward to being v you know it with you on the other side. What's that you don't want to hear when you're having a bad day?

um Yeah, she's waiting for you And then he full on dies. Yeah, like does this point she's waiting for you and then Like yeah, he goes out. He does he goes out like he's been life-forced. It's horrifying and yeah, anyway, so he was on death's door and Danvers comes rushing in as he's flatlining. Yeah throws a look at navarro. Like would you you had one fucking job? It like i'm taking down a militia out there

Single-handed. Yes, right? No weapons. Just just my hands and my cuffs here and you had one job Like the next episode is going to start with her plunching her hands into his chest To massage his heart back to you were not going down me. God damn it. Dr. Lector There's another there's another part of me that thinks There's a trust element there if navarro shot that guy Does she think in the back of her head

Did yeah, just kill this dude. Yeah, maybe she killed this guy. I mean, I think You know, he'd like what is the motive ask the question dunkin

What's the motive maybe this guy killed anarchy? Yeah So maybe he's protecting the person that did I don't know but yeah like so Once again, this is another scene where Navarro has had communication with the other side and it does it brings back what rose said rose said that there's three types of spirits that come back To get in touch with you one that you know want something from you one that is there to deliver a message and I can't remember what the third thing

One that wants to take you with you. Yeah, that's right So and it appears that navarro is getting haunted by all three the ghosts of christmas past future and present um So yeah, like like she's getting it from all sides. She's got like holding who's basically trying to give her a message for a mum she's got fucking Like our mum who wants her to come to the other side um

And obviously is haunted by the ghost of anarchy as well. So Yeah Look, I am All about this What about this episode is for a middle of the Middle of the season the episode It didn't really progress the story That much by felt like we settled in and started filling out our characters a lot more So we now know what happened with danvers and navarro We might not know all the details, but we know what the catalyst was behind that I've now got a really good theory on what the sort of person hank is

Got a great theory about like navarro's illness and how it aligns with her sister Um, and the the visions that she gets we know a little bit more about danvers in general our attitudes towards her adopted daughter and and We now know more but there's one scene that this whole episode closes with which is the That the the the kind of set up for your here's your big cliffhanger This is your man in a pair of underwear walking along a grassy knoll with a gas mask um

Basically right at the end of this one. They come out of the room lond's dead pete arrives pete has Fucking mobile phone which they've managed to hack and the last video is on it and the last video is of anarchy Anarchy appears to be in the ice cave That's what it looks like Yeah, and I think the insinuation here is she was attacked by a polar bear

Maybe well she says I found it. It's here. Yeah, if anything happens to to me she says And then immediately it's like and she's dragged away Yeah, she's dragged away and she screams A lot as they all Look at this camera. I think this is a polar bear. I think this is the polar bear imagery I think that we keep getting this polar bear thing. I also think it explains the scratch in the polar bear's eye I think she claws it off

I think that's I think that's what we're going to find out. I think she claws the polar bear's eye the polar bear lets her go I think she's then found by the salal group And something goes wrong there. Huh, okay. I like all of that I also think the thing she's talking about is whatever I also think there's something to do with Them digging in the ice. I think I think well here's my work my working theory at the moment is there's infant deaths

She is fully aware of it as a midwife. She links it to the miners I think she Wants evidence scientific evidence. So she convinces her friend to take her up to the salal station. I think she then Like goes out our way to start a relationship with clock because clock is the one that shows an interest in her To see what information she can get about the causes of what the mining might be doing, right? And I think

Whilst she's doing that. I think she's going to uncover that the salal station was doing something I think she needs evidence for it, which she will find in the ice cave I think That's what gets her murdered. I think it might be the people in the salal station collectively almost as a kind of fucking As a murder on the orient express. I think they all take turns and that's why she stabbed 32 things

I okay. I'm with you there. Um, I think That one of the things going on is that this is based on The purest of speculation Moment right like the light bulb every season you're gonna get it right one day, right? They're clearly ice moleman ice moment No, I think when they Would they talk about something being in the ice?

Yeah, there's that there could be a some sort of pathogen or m zane or something something that maybe Might drive the caribou crazy that might drive salal station crazy Might also drive some of the people out looking for clerk on the ice crazy, which is why they We have a room full of people attacking each other. That's a good point. That's a good point And that the the she in this is like some name that they have given to it

Right and possibly so all right. So that's where I am. That's just again Pure speculation based on nothing more than Oh, it's something in the ice that they've let loose and maybe that's one of the Like as they're looking for these microbes that they've unleashed some kind of pathogen like you said and So I like it. I like it. I you know, I do what I can talking All right, uh any other theories that we need to hit

And I think we've covered them all. I think the big ones here are are all there. I think um From our position now, we are now moving into the back half of the season We absolutely are uh, you know as soon as we get done recording this tonight I'm gonna go watch the new episode that dropped yesterday

And I can't wait. I'm I'm enjoying this and I really You know, I mean not to toot her own horn, but I really have enjoyed like picking it apart And really getting into some of the character stuff like I've really enjoyed Not only watching the show, but I've really enjoyed talking about the show this year. Yeah, I think the I think once again, there's a lot of people out there that are looking

Unfairly at this season. Um, I think they're judging it They're judging the entire season by the however many episodes have come out What kind of like annoyed me a little bit is our buddy Nick Pizzalato has taken potshots at um, he said Lopez this week on His social media basically saying that, you know, all these connections to season one are dumb Um, he doesn't like the fact that like it's like people are obviously questioning him on

On instagram and reddit and stuff and he's answering back and he's being very dismissive of the season overall um, which just screams to me of sour grapes, you know, I mean like like Let's let's be honest here like It's not your property anymore and they can do whatever they want with it and also I don't think like I said to you before I think the fact they mentioned like

Tuttle organization or the total fucking collective and I was like, oh could it be this way that has not been touched on again It might never get touched on and it might be those are just throwaway lines to indicate that it's in the same universe Which by the way season three did season three did with clipper of rust and fucking Marty's solving of the case and a like a news like article or something

So season three existed in the same universe. This is just linking it to that The spirals might be no connection to any yellow king or carcosa and it may just be purely something that she dreamt from the ether um so I don't know. I don't know like I think I think nick piss a lot of should concentrate on trying to get something off the ground Instead of getting all his stuff cancelled Uh, yeah, take that um

Yeah, I I have you know, I don't see a whole lot of social media. Uh, fortunately, so I haven't caught a lot of that stuff Yeah, um In heavily polarized in season weirdly, there's like a lot people not digging the overt horror of it Uh, I mean, I I guess I get it but I mean man, it's just it's been so much fun for me I really at 100 and I still think I still think like based on our two theories

Like my theory is that she's playing the long con. She's setting up all this supernatural shit But ultimately it's going to end in a very practical Yeah, kind of which is what true detective does I like every season does that it plays with a lot of shit that is just on it's on the fringe of esoteric and then But at the end of the day, it's always it's always a guy

Yeah, who you know did the murder. It's some human foible of some kind whether it's greed or uh, you know sloth debauchery whatever it happens to be but What's in the box doctor lector Stop it. You're sucking the eyeballs out like they're grapes. It's disgusting Um, anyway, uh, duckin. Yes, where can people find more stuff from you? Should they want more of this penetrating insight? Uh, and and hottest of takes Oh, um, and he's just just the right amount of ribaldry

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God, damn it. They uh, the the hardest of all the footballs. Um, I think

I think there's gonna be a lot of complaining. Here's why I don't want to be online again ever Uh, because after this super bowl, there's gonna be a bunch of people bitching about like Can you believe how many times the camera cut to taylor swift who was in one of the boxes watching her boyfriend play It's ruining the game It's like really the game that is the Launch pad for all kinds of Uh cte injuries Multiple murders and deaths

No one taught listen. I'm I'm outside your country and I can tell you right now No one talks about the winners or losers of the super bowl. What they talk about is the super bowl halftime So it's already a spectacle of entertainment and singers and dancers and adverts so if The biggest recording artist of all time is there That kind of makes sense to me. I don't know that like kind of makes sense. I think that's on brand. Yeah I I totally agree, but there there are some people

Already getting real butt hurt about this situation duncan. They wouldn't buy any chance be we have red caps that say Great again again again Duncan, uh, I think that is conjecture and true Conjecture and bore out with the piles of evidence we have here Yeah, if you look here duncan, um, it turns out that that venn diagram is just a circle Just a circle Uh, but anyway, we will be back then in two weeks To talk about uh more true detective

Uh, but until then my only task left it is to say to my good friend duncan. Say good night, duncan To say to my good friend duncan say good night, duncan It still gets longer I almost tagged the other bit in there and then I'm like that's taking one step too far and wait till next time *laughs* *outro music*