Cinema Beef Podcast : Beef Out Of The Cannon (America 3000/The Apple)

Once the world was green and living, then was the great nuke. Death lived everywhere. All were born sick and unclean. A living curse from the Americans and Commies. Then one day a baby was born, clean and clear. And the living curse was over. The child grew strong and beautiful, and she was called... Women taught her children to follow the theater and obey the regs. And here it's lived again! But some disobeyed the regs. And from them came the children of darkness and disease!

Blue Gods to be hunted nuke till Nagy are left! Hello folks, welcome back again. This has been a while. This is the Beef Podcast. I am one of your host Gary Hill. With me tonight is not the usual people, but you know people you know I would hope by now. But it's from supporting this show and other shows that I'm on. They are the hosts with the most of the most of the illustrious try to site podcast. One, Lee Russell, how you doing sir?

I am doing fine. How are you Gary? Oh I am here. Spring is sprung so seasonal allergies are you know being a fucking asshole but I'm alive. Man oh man. With us also is the lovely lady Lee. How you doing babe? I am doing great. I am good as good as I can be right now. I am happy. That's all it matters. That's good. Happy New Year's is good and I'm glad you're with us and I'm very busy with school and you know moving or what not.

If you want to raise address just hit a sample. We'll tell you where it is. You know for all the good news and good, good morning. Not really but you know get that. Oh my gosh. That's so long guys but you know I'm going to kick it out the same way. Always kick it off and say to the lady what's your more watching lately?

So I've been in the middle of a move. So I haven't been watching much but I've been been watching Bob's burgers the series because I am absolutely obsessed with it and it's problem my favorite go to like feel good just put in the background TV series. So for like the six or seven time I watch series. I've watched it so many times I finish it off and I'm like okay cool it's staring again. It's great.

Yeah, they're in the wrong with that I enjoy Bob's burgers as well and I enjoy what it does sometimes is it throw stuff out there that was John recidem of fans may know through the references of love the Hawkins chick episode and the almost should be the sort of freaking source or in where the Christmas episodes it's little stuff in there you know I may have the ones. Yeah look look yeah what's he in? They have a lot of pop culture references like just surprisingly.

But so many like just how much I catch on to when there's others that I don't but I know they make reference to a lot of like just unusual things where you're like oh hey I know that. Oh and the whole Italian Western genre when Bob has the episode reason obsessed with a character called banjo is the Django is banjo you know I think that doesn't sabata have a banjo character and it though.

Yeah banjo is in sabata played played by William burger so I think the whole yeah it's like a whole thing and there's a lot of worship about version again like she says the rewatch ability is there and I think it has a lot to do with the writing and the voice actors which he's also

a archer which I enjoy and apparently Bill scars guard in a model and Bill scars guards in a monologue and that boy kills everybody movie or whatever is called that action movie okay so I have a CD but I'm there for it let's put that way you know. Because he doesn't talk I guess the Asian Benchman doesn't talking for him like throughout the whole film it's like his inner monologue that's I'm there for it but miss really what you can watch a little brother.

I just mentioned one thing really I just watched this the other day it just popped up on shutter it's infested from 2023 directed by Sebastian vanacek French language horror film creature feature movie people don't know the sort of story of it it's basically it's set in this sort of

sort of apartment apartment in France and it's kind of run down and it's kind of like oh lower class poor people kind of live there kind of thing very much like the sort of blocks in like attack the block and stuff you know but you know instead of written it's set in France.

So there's this one guy who's like into rare bugs and stuff he lives in the apartment he's trying he's got dreams of like being more and like doing well by his family and his neighbors and stuff but he's just basically a petty criminal who sells like stolen sneakers and shit like that to people and

but he's got a real thing for like bugs and exotic like animals and stuff like that he's got like all these this whole like the very I'm kind of thing set up in his in his bedroom with all these rare creatures and shit in it he's going to buy a present for somebody and it's from the shady guy who sells him a rare spider and

so he takes it home but he doesn't keep it in a proper box the spider escapes and it happens to be an incredibly aggressive deadly version of like a of a species of recluse spider and the thing about the spider is the way it defends itself as it evolves and gets bigger and meaner.

So it starts multiplying immediately starts having babies and they infest the entire apartment building very quickly and start picking people off and then we get like a wreck situation where the police show up and basically quarantine the whole building and keep the people in and there's a sort of there's a sort of juxtaposition kind of thing like there's this sort of illusion to oh he keeps bugs and like his var varium or whatever.

And now the police are keeping people they consider pretty much bugs because they're lower class in the sort of a similar situation and all that's happening these spiders some of them get bigger but they don't get like so big that it's like completely unbelievable because you know you see something like eating like it freaks or something like that and it's like there's no spider that can get that big because it's exoskeleton would crush under the weight of it.

But these ones get about as big as spiders would have gotten in like prehistoric times with like more oxygen in the air and stuff like that they get pretty fucking big they get bigger than any spider you've seen in real life.

And it's a combination of CGI and some practical effects I do believe it's very effectively done there's incredibly tense fucking sequences here set up like foreshadowing beforehand because this cheap ass that a tenement building it has like limited lighting in it so like if you go to a certain hallway where there's like they usually keep the lights off there's like automatic lights of course where you have to like clap your hands wave your arms whatever to turn them on and then walk.

Down the hallway kind of thing. I think they just sense you. I think the clap is the different. Yeah, whatever the clapper I think the clapper because you know I grew up with the clapper not the clapper. But there's also like I don't know how these people don't have like flashlights with batteries and stuff like that everyone in the building has a flashlight seem to have one that's like a wind up one that has a charge. And then the charge have to keep winding it to keep it let lit.

And they also have like these light switches on the fucking walls that you wind it up and it gives you like a minute of light so there's a sequence really have to go down this long corridor that's just infested with these fucking aggressive spiders. And they got to keep the fucking light on and get down the quarter while the lights still on. And it's really really well done.

I won't spoil anything else but I think it's probably in my mind the best horror movie of the year so far so it's really good. It's like the lights in my old hallway probably slightly better than the lights in your old hallway but yeah, yeah, at least there's worked. Yeah, they at least turn on some. Yeah, that's the only thing I'll mention the I think. Cool. I watched a few things.

I'll mention a few that I've been recording a long time about watching things since then two things that were her old one thing you guys talk about your show and great length was the Fallout series. Excellent. Excellent casted. Walton Goggins could do no wrong in my opinion. He was excellent on the show. No surprise there to me.

I never played a video game my life of this but I went in blinded as I'm gonna watch this because Walton Goggins is an and I enjoyed the whole thing, you know, all the characters and things even. Like random character show up in this I forget that the actresses name she's been tons of things. She's the one that replaced the guys alike when the guy losses like. Oh, yeah, yeah. She she plays paddy the daytime hooker. My name is Earl plus many many other things, but you know.

Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's it's heartwarming. I love when folks like that show up and things and there's a lot I can want to Chris part of all shows up as a one eyed person in this and I just got to meet him, which was spectacular. Yeah, just good. It's good. It's good. Watch and I'm much like you guys looking forward to the next season because it means it opened for something pretty big and. That another Amazon product that I'll push because it's such a fucking cartoon.

The roadhouse redux. I will push people because don't go in the eyes of saying I'm looking for you know a spiritual you know remake of of the Patrick Swayze one, which is a film I love. I'm wearing a set class in a month to some people, but you know like to film I love this is like a like a cartoon version of that. San Sam Elliott, but but with Conor Gregor who's just a few rolls in there like the juggernaut just knocks into the people and shit and.

So you can do by hour in the movie he shows up and it's like it's not a slog to get through, but once Conor shows up just to show you hey this is this unstoppable enemy you're like not been doing all the way now you know that's that's some the best way I can put it didn't need you two hours I will I will say that about the film so.

I heard Jake Jones Hall is actually kind of like the weakest part of that entire film then otherwise it was like I. It's a shame to because I really like him as an actor and a lot of things even not so much down dark people subscribe to die dark. I'm not one of those people but night crawler yeah even something is heartwarming bubble boy I was guy because she I was seeing for him I'm a Joe Johnston fan though so I should really revisit October sky. I like that.

I like that time travel movie did the one where he's on the train or whatever he's got to like he keeps really it's like groundhog day but it's like he keeps going he keeps popping back in time and he's got to like stop a terrorist on a train or something like that I can't remember the fucking him with it. I don't I don't know this I probably just somehow. I think the wrong god damn thing. I'm sure it's a thing I haven't seen everything you know it just this is one that I follow up.

I'm just going to check this because I need to know. No you got it you got me. Self pause another one that's underrated I think as far as he's he got pretty ripped for that movie I think he get less ripped for for for for roadhouse which is rising and I mean. He was like super ripped for for for Salpa. Yeah. Yeah that's the other one person. I've never seen broke back mountain it's just. I'm the actor the actors cannot appeal to me so one day one day lady I will. Well say again.

Zodiac of course as well. Oh yeah I keep. I mentioned things source source code source code that's it. Okay. I've only seen the box that ever picked it up. It's one of those things it's just just to watch it. Yeah like he I may have owned it before I don't know. It's like he they they time jump like his consciousness and other people's bodies on this train they keep like having to repeat it as he tries to like sort of sus so to the bomber is in this train.

He's got like eight minutes every time to try to figure it out it's a pretty neat little like. Twilight zoning kind of premise it's pretty cool. Put that together with the Tom Cruise joints. Oh yeah into tomorrow to. Yeah the women of my podcast eight Tom Cruise. But um the last time was that Suzanne's house I made her watch rocket pages. I said like you wake you watch something really stupid that you're going to enjoy you know it's the other movie.

She really enjoyed it so there's that yeah I agree it's hard to watch anything with him in it. So I get it. Yeah I mean I'll watch a watch it just I haven't heard time watching it. In rocket pages he wears leather pants with a with a code piece with a demons tongue I'm guessing read out some kind of Ruby coming out of his his crotch area so there's that you know. Yeah kind of thing. Yeah I think I'm going to do it. I'm sorry X X meant 97 if you haven't yet please do. I'm not going to do it.

I never watched something that made me so excited and feel so tragic all the same time in parts of it man. Yeah the last episode they had a drop some pretty big bombs of things to come you know. That's my Wednesday X my 97 watching it work so I'm looking forward to that you know. I watched the first two episodes when they dropped and then I had like yeah you know what I don't really have much nostalgia for this. I'm probably not going to continue but. I'll tell you you know they get.

I think a lot right you know what these big productions got wrong they got they got the bloodlines right finally they haven't mentioned that that Magneto and Doug or not are their brothers I think in the comic I think right. I know it's professor Xavier and juggernautner brothers in the comic if I remember correctly.

Yeah yeah because he just shows up like in this last episode and this is spoilers of course Magneto escapes let's add a giant EMP which frees a bunch of real lots of bunch of delightful villains that we all know and love. One of them is Doctor Doom so I'm a I'm getting right first a shit storm to happen real soon I'm I'm be so happy watching it I'm at all I'm saying about. I might I might get back into it excellent. Oh yeah I recommend it and a usual TV shit dark side of the ring. Very heavy.

This is sensational. I'm sorry I was just going to say very hit or hit or miss season because there's a couple people there it's like. Not really tragic lives like John Tinted and really like other than the fact that he died of cancer it's like where's the dark side of the ring part of that though it's like he was a well loved performer who is like really good. Yeah yeah.

It should have been biography material with that one I think is all the rest of the Russians I've met over the years and they they all want to talk to me because when full. You know scull it with with the long beard I don't know if you guys know I look I look a lot like years quick. Oh no you don't say they they've had no I don't say so they tend to pull me aside.

Roddy was the best right see he's very right before he was he was he was full on you know a loving guy he would he would hug you with this whole body.

His whole body would hug you with and you know he and again the all one time earthquake stories him Ted D. B. O. C. Anybody to think of under the sun that I met the all one time earthquake stories of what a nice guy was so when that came out and it confirmed that he was this great family man and that he was it was very loving and respectful to his co workers. It was that surprise to me at all that John Tento was a great man that died too soon. That was a B. S. certain ones.

I was just going to say like and he's one of the ones who died too soon just from like cancer. Oh excuse me from cancer like it's he's not like these other guys like you know like David Boy Smith who dies of like fucking 40. It's like I'm 46 now I've I've lived six years longer than that fucker who is like in amazing shape otherwise other than like all the steroids and drugs he did that fucking blue is hard out or whatever you know.

But the fucking yeah it's crazy to think that like he died at 40 like Mr. Perfect died at like 44 something like that like not much older and like all those guys kind of like popped off from your 30s and 40s. Crazy. Yeah much rougher road schedule much rougher road schedule back in those days and they did you know now whereas those guys are us all two times in a day.

And they go with the next city or Russell two times again another day you know that it's much greater is a work schedule back in those days because if you didn't work he didn't eat it's not like these guys now or you see him in like. Seth Rollins on Instagram taking this kid to visit the land and shit you know you know you do to see that stuff back in those days you know yeah those things like time time off your hot on TV or some sort of thing that's back in those days yeah.

Oh my gosh yeah the she the Sherry one was especially good I always enjoyed Sherry as a performer and as a valet and I never knew a whole lot of butter my mind.

We talked about a friend version of the air his mom was a wrestler and he was a set my body version was second generation wrestler and she worked with Sherry you know stuff like that and they got into you know everybody talks about Mula because you kind of have to because she was the queen pin of women's wrestling for a long time she was the authority and and Mula got paid so there's that you know.

She was she was an abusive pimp is what she was but pretty much you know but without anything you book stores like you know you take the abuse okay the Buster Bula or else you don't work you know actually. Yep oh my gosh yeah nasty woman you know but yeah absolutely terrible. Yeah I'm sure that's that's about it for me though I'm sure that I'm getting you know at least just like I don't know every watchers I'm sure at least just like what.

You at least just like what you want to watch right find a go find a tough we go go look up Mula in some Mula stories and surprise the hell out of you you know how I'm. Maybe we know well smart business woman I give it that you know but you're here here here today tonight we're treating the lady here to a feature that means we do together.

It's a beat out of the can episode to we take two films in the the studio that those crazy I is really built don't hold us politically correct to that I know there's a crisis going on that area. So just I'm just saying guys but they were two Israeli brothers who built the studio and built an empire really on the trash and male I'm not doing it.

And these two films we're going to do tonight are post apocalyptic in nature one's a little more clear than the other one America 3000 and we're doing the apple which I'm very safe. I felt about these movies because I should be told I didn't have a bet on them so I'm curious what my my my coho set to say about this and yeah we're going to there right now with America 3000 from 1986 after the trailer.

I'm 100 years after the great nuke and the roles of women have changed dramatically but to the displeasure of men and mutants for it's a new kind of war being fought with a certain kick to it America 3000 meet Corvus he's a scholar. He's a man who falls back into the 20th century and lands the most important job in America. Mr. President. President. The president. Me for president. Meet Vina the Virginal Queen of the Thunder Warrior.

It is up to Corvus and Vina to bring a little civilization back into the world. What's it man? Fear. I'm a man. Corvus and Vina. Oh my. Two love birds out to prove that love is the only thing worth nookin for. What a day. America 3000 and outrageous post-new gut venture. America 3000 from 1986. Yeah, this is a canon film. Of course, Plots and obsses this in a post-apocalyptic wasteland where a tribe of women rule and all men are your feral slaves. One one man.

One man rises up to defrease the men. Can they coexist in peace or will they have to die in war? This is written directly by David Engelbach who is a writer on death wish to. He was like a Spanish writer. He was like a lab assistant or something on jaz, and I think that was like the first thing he did in the industry and then he went on to work with cannon basically. It was good, Oh, yeah. Uh, till till the Empire kind of fell.

If you didn't blow all your money on cocaine and you saved a few bucks in your fun. There you go. There you go. Uh, this starts Chuck Wagner as as corpus. You may know if you watched the early eight or the early the early the early 80s series auto man. Um, I saw that was on boot like tapes a long go and uh, is the reason why I'm away so fast, but it is what it is. Lauren Landon as Berna. William Wallace as Bruce Sue Claus as as as uh, more. I don't know his names.

There's a lot of names here, but uh, one of the most important characters in the whole film. Steve Malovic is our the awful because I love a guy and I love a guy to go to damn suit. So there's that you know. I should mention uh, Lauren Landon. Uh, so she's the, you know, she's the big star in this basically other than Chuck Wagner. Uh, she was hundred and hundred and she actually had a couple other interesting credits. She was in the stuff and it's a live three and maniac cop wanted to as well.

So she had a little bit of a like. Yeah, she had a little bit of a B movie career going on there for a while. So yeah. Cool brother. I'm gonna get down to the meeting pose. This is a post apocalyptic, apocalyptic joint. Um, I, I dug it, you know, more than some of these. I'm gonna kick you to um, our male Lee of the bunch here, Mr. Lee Russell. Uh, what do you think of America 3000s or? I'm glad we finally have a movie that talks about the real problem in society today.

The matriarchy and all this wokeness that is like ruining what real men are. No, uh, this is, this is a movie where I think honestly, both the movies that we're going to be talking about tonight are a perfect example of why. Uh, goal and globe is should have stuck to their wheelhouse more often than not. And they kind of did usually with cannon stuff and that's where they were most successful whenever they tried to like. Like branch out from like crime and action movies.

They usually misread what brought people to those movies, I think. Some of some respect. Um, I will give him credit for this though, like this movie tries to do a little bit of everything. That these sort of post apocalyptic movies were doing at the time. And they try to do a couple different things too. Like namely stuff like the soundtrack, which is very like 80s, but metal stuff, you know. Like stuff you'd hear in heavy metal parking lot and shit like that.

Like I was very surprised by that because you usually don't hear that usually hear like cheap synthesizer music and all these, you know, kind of thing. But like for the most part, there's a lot of this obviously was rewritten because I know this is a script that. David Indle Engelbach had kicking around since the 1970s that he wanted to get produced.

And so he, you know, he obviously did some work for going globalists for a while until, you know, they gave him a deal like we'll let you direct the film, you know, you've done some good work for us from like death wish and stuff like that will let you direct the film. And then he directs this, but it's pretty obvious that. Uh, go on globalist or somebody under them had some input into what does eventually became because a lot of this stuff feels like.

We've seen the Mad Max films now and now we have to rewrite a bunch of shit like this feels like it was probably a way different film in the 1970s if it had been made then as opposed to. Post Mad Max where now it's like trying to do everything Mad Max was doing and throwing a guy to Nate costume and throw in a secret bomb shelter with the president's. And in his tinfoil suit in it and this weird lady Leon, I saw this really shitty Italian movie last year.

I can't remember the fucking when when when men were something and women were this. Yeah, yeah, and it was like battle the sexist between male and female caveman. It feels like a lot of that in this fucking film too. A lot of humor that really doesn't land. Um, but I didn't hate this like I. It was an easy watch for the most part. There was definitely some interesting stuff in it.

I just will get into it as we talk about it in more in general, but I don't feel like it necessarily came together all that well, obviously. Like there's yeah, I'll say when we get into like word discussion, but I do have some like major problems with this that were like really irritated the fuck out of me. But that being said, I did not hate the film. I was just like kind of disappointed that it went certain directions.

I think I know, you know, what you're talking about there, at least one of those scenes because I was a call my what was it going to call, you know, if this is a video, she just ran a slight podcast and I forget now. It was something disgusting. Oh, yeah, it was about the season. And lately about the scenes, it was about seeing many as well. Something about the phrase that you used being seated in this movie. Yeah, that's what it was about. I don't even laugh about that. Sorry guys.

What is your thoughts on America 3000? I may have fallen asleep a couple times trying to watch a movie. I was I was tired though, because I just come after a shift and I didn't sleep all the night for. So problem is I was like, I had to watch on my bed, because like I had already packed up my TV and my laptop. So I only had like this small TV in my bedroom. So I was like cozy and comfy under my blanket with my cat. So I felt a little see a couple times trying to watch it. But it was.

It was a little dry. Like it seemed like it had this fun idea, but they tried too hard. Like it was just, hey, we're going to try and be cool. You want to be like this weird initially seems like dystopian. And then the future that turns into like a dystopia when like when when women work together. So it was very okay. I think there was some really cool fight scenes and there was some really cool fight scenes.

But like I don't know I think it was a little bit. It was just too much. It was like it's like one of those parents that try to be hip using the limbo. That's what it felt like. Like as someone who's like trying to or going to school to be a teacher, they always talk about like, oh yeah, the kids come up the language. I'm like, I just admit that I don't understand.

I don't force myself in trying to make chair like sound like I understand it or I'm hip, but that's exactly it. It sounds like an adult who's trying to be hip with children. Like that's that's all movie that's how it felt. So it's like that cringey every time he used the word plastic. Oh, I got it. Stop now. Are you saying you don't are you saying you don't have the roots? I don't know what the fuck that means. No cap. No, you don't know any that zoom or alpha. Lingo shit. No, all right.

I said sigma a lot. I was like, that's so sigma and I just wanted to be like, hey, that's a character that I played. Yeah, that's all I know. I know sigma was a name of a character in a movie that I did. Far as my Lingo goes. Yeah, I get, you know, you know, I want to say about this film, but I think that as a whole is kind of like it turns into like this bell. It's kind of thing like we have a society of men here. Is that they're all men.

We have a society of women here. They're all women said so. But what was this right? What was wrong? You know, what was going to move the other one and the whole idea of them playing, you know, a communism into play here and you are a net. I think they think the communism is going to stick around for a very long time and, you know, be scared of Russia and all those other stuff and whatever. It's America 3000. I don't take it seriously.

The stuff will fix it seriously though is it's not the acting that kept me in the movie. It's the way it was filmed. I think it's filmed very well. And with the, I think that it contributed to the stunt coordinator, where I forget his name, but in the fight coordinator who I know his name because he's only raised senior. So a lot of the, the hand, a lot of the hand to hand stuff and the kicks and stuff looked very good.

And I think he had a big hand in that because he's a great martial artist, you know, who's of course, father of early raised junior who we may know for many more things besides, you know, his father. But if you, this, this is why I watched Serpent Angels so much because you get to see earn a raise senior fight with his son in the movie and that's um, Oh, didn't, didn't junior do all to see that in any other movie. Didn't junior like work with all like the PM entertainment stuff.

I think so. It was, it was, it was, um, he was in red Sony. I know he was in last dragon. He was very young. He did that TV show. I think with Leavand Cleef, he was on the show, the master. Maybe it was another show. Yeah, I think he was in the other show. I don't know if that's some TV show. He was really young. It was, it was his last show, right? The Leavand Cleef's last thing he did before he died, the master.

I, I think so. I think he may have been on that show on our presenter. He was on some other, some show where he was a karate kicking kid on a show. Alright. But um, it was always fun to watch him do things and again, I was go back to certain pages because I get to see him and his father fight together. And if that's um, it's fun to watch where we're all that all those kicks came from and you know, yeah, but this one was self, you know, you could.

You're right, though, like all the all the fights and like the action stuff is like actually pretty top notch, like it all looks really, really good, which makes it like really stick out when and when comparing it to everything else that's going on in the film, especially when during the action scenes, everything gets like very violent, like super violent.

And then the rest of the movie has played like a comedy, which I was, I was kind of weirded out by I was like, totally I felt like the film was kind of everywhere. And also, and also my biggest objection to this film is it's a film about sexy Amazon women who you know again in in the post apocalypse have an endless supply apparently like they found some catch of like hairspray and makeup products because they're all.

All done up like fucking hot chicks in the like a 1980s music video and not at any time in this movie do any of them get naked. There was no duty that I saw and I was watching pretty closely for that because I was like, come on it's it's a canon film to that sexy cave women that will basically cave women.

And I wouldn't be surprised if like this originally was like a caveman cave woman like fucking movie that got turned into a post apocalypse, but sexy fucking Amazon women tribe who keep men as sex slaves. And yet we don't see a bit of sex we see a little bit of sexual tension where it's like maybe hinted that the the rival Amazon tribe, you know there's like this Amazon political thing going on that's like really boring.

But like the bad the bad Amazon tribe is like it's hinted that like they're all like lesbians basically or whatever because like there's some like little bit of flirtatious like oh. The bad guys are making their plans and it's like hinted like after we take over then we'll fuck and stuff like that but then they never fuck so it's like no payoff. We wanted boobies. Yes, according to one scene though with their like about a make out but he doesn't know quite how to do it.

Yeah, it's like you can tell they they've been together at a long time men and women in that way except for of course you know the seating that happens in this movie. We're talking about that though it's been yeah basically we breeding with each other forcefully and that's that's the rape in every country but it's in and in post apocalyptic barbarian times I guess it's just.

Repopulating the earth I guess I don't know I mean that's a that's a can of some less I pretty I'm pretty sure that's like when like can and if they had like a Bible for their films like here's our here's our filmmaking ethos and this is what we think about certain subjects and certain topics i'm pretty sure that like hey if we're going to make a feminist movie.

If if women forcemen to have sex that's just feminism and it's not rape that's probably left their stance was I mean I'm not going to sit here and say that goal and global for the most enlightened people in the world honestly. They're their movies quite honestly for the most part pretty bad pretty bad when it comes to stuff like that so.

Well if you think of a plot in which and hell comes a fraud town they just take take a old Roddy Piper back to their camp and you just fucking milk them for all the semen into his tired and you can't give no more. Because that's all they really want to move forward with this fucking semen yeah and you know that feminism and it's fine to see you. Hey hey what hey what year was hell comes from town was wasn't that like that like a couple years later pretty sure.

Right around the same time I'd say i'm just gonna say I'm just gonna say hell comes the frog town you hack you ripped off America three times. All he added was giant frog people they should go. Yeah so they're they're delightful in out of place in that movie but he did go to frog town and uh. Roy Calle who is there and uh send Albertman is there and in her own needs thank you.

Thank you time I will say there's no mood in the run these yes indeed there's no new in that movie either is there I see me recall. No she was trying to get it you know in her own these but you know he wasn't willing because he was kidnapped you know under false pretenses yeah. Yeah so this is given me a look yeah these are just examples of like movie makers not reading their audience you know more nudity in this movie it better.

Sure cuz that movie that we watch totally proved otherwise by the way just saying. Many play many we play whatever remember playing ding dong and don't think something that was an example of a movie being so bad that the nudity couldn't save it. Plus the nudity was most and plus the nudity and nudity in that one was like mostly like a far away shot of like the women bathing on the mountain side or whatever the fuck it was.

I didn't it wasn't even like any close up or any sex scenes or anything like that so it's like it's like a sex comedy with without any close up nudity what's the point. What is the point this was. This was fun enough for me like I said the action the action held together it's just something between like you guys mentioned that didn't work so well I think American 3000 with with with better actors I think a tighter script.

We work a lot better because they had they had a lot of the right key people people up points in there look for the word I can't find the word but. But it held together I would say it has a beginning in the middle of the end yeah that I can say I have watched. No, no, no, it was I'll say this for it was a series of moving pictures at 24 frames a second. In that regard it was you can watch.

You could watch other ones of these though and say I didn't have a good time with it because the plot is literally worse than the fact that it's all over the place. And the the the final truly shitty I mean I love Lance Henryson, but there's a film called them was it called Savage Dawn that features him. George Kennedy and Karen Black every else, but he is doing some some terrible white guy kung fu in that movie that these go away somewhere. It's just locking the ball somewhere and I'm.

It's real bad, but this film from course I was going to say I could appreciate a boom box that just never loses its energy or. This is a good. And and the rest of the good batteries. I saw a variety of cassettes that they had that somehow kind of bright a crazy variety of music. Oh yeah. I was just going to say that I'm honestly yeah the biggest problem with this film is aside from the lack of nudity is it is that it is that slang. It is that fucking. It is that fucking.

Two did not need the narration. The narration I thought was really boring like I thought it took away because I thought the person was doing the narrating. I don't know if you can read it at like a very lackluster level and you just. I thought I was watching like I was watching like post apocalyptic wonder years or some bullshit, you know like. Did those are some to be like Daniel Stern and it's like and that's when I met Winnie Cooper and she was an Amazon and.

I didn't I did not need that in this. This film I already knew like that that's a big problem with a lot of these films. flip the cookie. You know what the situation is. You can organically do any story beats with the characters as they go through the script as they act. Don't need to set up a narration. You don't need to talk about the oil wars or whatever bullshit you already know. Like everyone's plastic. Everyone shut up. Everyone, it's everyone knows

what fucking these movies are. You don't need to explain them. I think I think Canon was trying to hard like like Lee was saying. Like they they were they were just like two two over two ambitious a little too like we need to explain everything when you didn't you just need to put movies in it. That's all you need to do. You could have cut all this other unnecessary shit out of it. But Lee, I am man. I am man. You are a woman. That's it. That's how peace is created.

The end is an ABC alphabet book that you find in the post-pop flipped world. It'll bring peace. That's that's the end. That's the end. That's me. Me. Me. Carza and Eugene. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you leave it. You know what that you know what that fuck and Gary won't get this because he hasn't played the games. But you know what that book reminded me of. It reminds me of like followed new vagus where or actually it's in

Fallout 3 2 I believe and Fallout 4. Like where you read the little the little book the little kids book and it gives you your skills. Okay. Yeah. And levels up your skills like it miraculously levels up your skills. Like it miraculously like levels up this dude's speech where he can now speak perfect English in like a gig. You understand everything. He understands how to use a gun. Like he's like oh

yeah I read that ABC book. I can read this incredibly complicated manual that has different languages and I don't understand that there's such thing as different languages. Yeah. But it sounds like I'm like really shitting on this movie. I'm not I'm just kind of like I'm kind of like pop it up a little bit for her. Oh. For her to say the value but the dialogue the dialogue has to cut. Now go ahead. Now I said dialogue.

You got to go like guys mentioned before. It's like it's not like clockwork orange to where they created their own language. He created the language in the book actually that the author. Yes. And you know it works because the visuals you have on screen. It doesn't matter. You know the fuck Alex still argues is saying to his friends. You with the visuals you get the idea when he goes to two young new ball girls in the records store and he says hey whether you got to play your fuzzy warbles on

that's his way of staying here. Go back to my place and fuck you get that. Yeah. It's by the way he's acting in that movie. And also clockwork orange there's way more world building in that. And that's why the language stuff and the slang and the game culture and all that shit works better in clockwork orange because there's world building there. There's no world building in this movie. The world is already prebuilt like I said everyone knows what these movies are.

Everyone knows exactly what they're getting into. You add extra shit like slang and crap like that. It just confuses the audience. You don't need it. It's so plastic. You're plastic. They saw those kids doing it in that mass beyond Thunderdome's like I said, pick it it was okay. You know. Yeah. That's the that's the thing like that. I feel like Thunderdome came out just before this it must have because that shit's obviously written into that after after Mad Max Thunderdome right.

Like it had to event when was Thunderdome it was Thunderdome was 85. Sure. It sounds right. Yeah. I got a couple check this. You have to watch Thunderdome now lately because it's as wonderful. You know. You've seen Thunderdome haven't you? I was in the under I'm surprised I think that we're yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty sure I have seen Thunderdome. There you go. Yeah. 85. So yes. Like obviously going globe is like hey, uh, Engeldingker, one of this guy's name is who directed this

single box. Do you have any scripts that we can make into a movie? I have this one that's like Stone Age Cave people battle the sexes. Oh, that's fun. Let's put Mad Max into that. Let's put Thunderdome because I just saw Thunderdome and Thunderdome's popular. So that feels like exactly what this is. And oh, yes. In a guy in a guy in an Apsuit. Oh my god. Hey, the the Pearl are was the order is one of the funniest scenes I've seen in a movie in my life. Okay. He's just so happy. You know,

he definitely loved that boom box. Yeah. Well, if you if you put a random guy in an Apsuit in a movie, I'm probably going to be there for it. I'm just going to say it, you know, it wasn't a bad Apsuit. I watched. I watched. It was a Franken in that movie. Was it Bikini Beach? I think it was. We're keen and win. We're trying to prove that a loaded gorilla is smarter than these teenagers. Yes, he had the guy in a gorilla suit surfing. You know what? I was there for it, man. Yeah. But the

Yeah. But the beach party movies are have have stuff to go on that this movie doesn't have. They're fun. That that's the big difference. The the gorilla. Yeah, this is the fan kind of made me laugh because like he found the deodorant and knew what to do with it. He's like, I understand that I'm stinky. I need to put this under my armpits. Yeah, it's like, ask what they're doing is coming up a style not washing, but whatever. I don't think anyone's going to notice.

Showering does not I mean, deodorant does not replace showering. It's very important message to everybody out there. Yeah, I'll use zoomers out there to say and millennials and whatever else. Every fucking human being out there. Not just the generations that have come after my generation. You kidding me? No. Jinx cleanest. Aquatic Aquatic Aquatic is real too people. Even even a Bokakala post-baculty. Oh my god. A fucking nuclear blast couldn't knock those

hair do's down dude. Those. Okay, I do have to say no. Their hair do's are somewhat realistic. How so? It's easier to elevate like there's more volume to your hair. So truthfully, that was more like messy post-bacalyptic hair looks than like the long hair that looks like sleek and perfect. So I can leave those hair do's because yeah, when your hair is all gross and disgusting and whatever, it's so much easier to like style and work with.

Then. All right, when the when the when the bombs fell fondly fallly and we both survive, I'm looking forward to like about three months in the post-apocalypse when your hair looks like you're a backup dancer for a motley crew video in the 80s. It almost likely a versus like the usual you see with like the hair that's just down and looks really pretty. Yeah, it's a lot more believable. I'm not saying we'd be perfectly up like that, but definitely a lot more

believable. Like just realistically be like entirely matted and disgusting, which greed I mean accepted that I will not survive. I am a near-sighted person who's like almost passing my prime as a female. So my ovaries are useless and my genetics are useless. That's so why would you want to reproduce it anyway? Survivalistically, if you avoid my genes, it would be a dumb choice.

Well, ovaries aside, I'm sure you know, I don't want to talk about how fertile this lovely lady is, but she was very fertile out of it all for that. No, I don't have anything else at the lady. Like if it's a post-buck, I love the girl. She's the log of health, the wheel to the new. Only if it's post-buck, Clipdick. I literally I love my I love the things that I have. I don't want to relearn how to live. So I think I'm just enjoy the rest of my life

as much as I could and be like, well, I'm good. I'm not going to try and survive. I'm told I've watched survivor man. I know I had a boil my own pee and drink it. I watched it too and I had no interest. None of those people looked happy during the process of trying to survive. So I'm very happy with just enjoying what little life I would have left instead of being miserable and the rest of my life. Yeah, now you're right.

I leave the world to I hope I die right away. So we just leave the world to the preppers and have them die within about three or four months because they're all failures too. Exactly. All right, I'm going to wrap this here and I'm going to ask the lady. Anything else to say about America 3000? I think I said what I need to say. I I guess my son is like, I don't know, it's one of those movies where they always like tell you

like, oh, but you do need men. You can't hate men. How dare you hate men. And that's just kind of how I felt with this one. It just like just they seemed to just did this, I don't know, it was like this show of like why feminists are bad because you have to have men. And if you have your women that are anti men, they just go against each other and go against men. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Either way, wasn't a huge fan. Fair enough.

Surely my brother, we think. If you're interested in endless narration, if you're interested in a bunch of hapless men building the worst base, they can hope the build out of like old ammo boxes and pipes stacked in a way that are made to obviously fall over instantly if the female tribe attacks. You feel like post-apocalyptic women with really teased up hairsprayed hair and makeup without a smudge of dirt on them. Don't get naked at all in the

film when they should. This might be the movie for you. It was not for me. I didn't hate it, but it was just like when you're when you're rating this as far as like the post-apocalyptic stuff that came out in the 80s, this is like a sub tier like Mad Max rip off that's been kind of you know, it's something else that's been recycled into a Mad Max rip off and it's not a great one. It doesn't know whether it wants to be a comedy or wants to be a serious movie because the action

stuff is really good. Like honestly, it is really really good and it needed more of that, but the tone of the rest of the movie is like dynamically opposed to the viciousness and the actual action scenes. But it's not it's not a terrible watch. It's just like one that's so scatterbrained and weird narration and bad slang and the guy in the Apesuit doesn't get to do anything really cool other than hold a boom box and throw a person around into like a pit at one point. That's

why that was kind of funny, but yeah, no, I can't recommend it. I'd say it's like if you're a completist of like these 1980s post-apocalyptic stuff, then definitely see it, but otherwise you could skip it honestly. Yeah, I like it for what it was. It wasn't the best thing to watch all week. I mean, it's been worse once in a while because I think we kept you waiting. It was the great fight choreographer being in the action scenes right down to the horse. The way they're riding the horses,

you can tell they're properly trained how to ride these horses. It looked like, you know, it looked like shit, but yeah, it's a whole film, you know, guy in Apesuit aside, it wasn't the best one of these. It borrowed a lot from other things, like Blake Lee said. But I would give it a recommend for a Toobie watch. It's not Toobie right now to check out. Did Zervol a slanderer get in the election Boogaloo documentary? I don't think so.

It's just not good in the part of things to be really, really good. Like, you know, like, we mentioned, didn't know if it wanted to be a comedy or not. There's a way to do that, and they did another can film the Alan Corning movies where you were able to have this action adventure movie and, you know, with some comedy thrown in. And it worked a lot better in this movie. But yeah, that's a matter for this. Next up, we're going to join the Bim Revolution people.

We're going to discuss the Apple from the ear of my birth 1980, right as a trailer. In 1994, the world is controlled by one power. The Apple is success. The Apple brings you everything. But about happiness. I want to do release, baby, from a contract. Cheers. Where is she? The Apple is the temptation. The Apple is the experience. Take the Apple. The Apple is the forbidden fruit. I've never been so high in my life. The Apple takes your soul. The Apple.

The Apple from 1980, your plot synopsis is this. In 1994, young couple, there's the world of music, the world of drugs. That's not really fair. This is written and directed and written by a monoclemon, the man himself, the stars. The beautiful cat, George Gilmore, the other rated punk comedy, western dudes. She's a much less starfighter. George Gilmore is a lot of stuff. George Gilmore is a lot of stuff. He was a rock group. He did theater work. Grace Kennedy is a bandie. I'm sorry.

I was looking at him. I know this guy from somewhere. I checked his IMDB. I know where I know him from. He was in an episode of Kitchen Nightmares. He went on to open a restaurant that was failing called Love's Fish Restaurant. He was at the point of his restaurant. He was this out of touch guy who owned a fish restaurant who didn't eat fish. That tells you how good that was going to go. That's hilarious. Apparently he played himself in Rockula. Really?

Yeah, starting to get the great Dean Cameron in Rockula. The Atlantic Shebaugh as a bugle. The evil record producer. Was it some stuff? Some stuff. Please probably seen from Russia with love. He was in that for a hot second. He's the chest master and from Russia with love. Yeah, the Russian chest guy. He's in a shit ton. He's probably the most like season actor in this because he's in that. He's in the original show gun many series with Richard Chamberlain. He's in red. He's in red dawn.

He was in stuff like the fearless vampire killer. Look at his credits. It's crazy. Tons of shit. Yeah, just like when his mr tops, you know, just like when there's you probably do. Introduced to me as Hans from the mighty ducks. The guy that was a skatechap, but also played the bad guy with the weapon too. Yeah, but I'm not taking me in the team. That guy and the anomalous. The evil bad gym teacher bad guy from Bill. It has both journey. He's been tons of stuff over the years just at one.

Did just lost them recently. I think. Three years ago. Ray Shell, who is an actor I can find more stuff than he's in. He's in velvet gold mine apparently. I've seen that film. Didn't do a ton. Last thing it was in 2021. The United States versus ability holiday, which I've seen that before. I see it look for this person though. He plays like the number two to to to Bougalo. Michael shake. Miriam Argollas, who's been in tons of stuff over the years. Place Alphys land lady in this movie.

She shows up in different parts. I love the fact that there's these dog face people in this movie. They're like the muscle for Bougalo. They're dead man playing bulldog and goon there. Notham as fat dog. Then you have a look at the muscle in this movie. There's more. There's a lot to unpack in this movie. The story goes that that my man I come. Wanted to make his version of Ken Russell's Tommy and this is what he got. And I'm not too mad at this movie and most ways. So first time watch for me.

I will say that because I most reputation. I've never watched a movie, but I'm going to get to our male friendly first and say, uh, Lee, uh, what do you think of the apple? I think it was a valiant try by a Golem Globus.

Uh, this is what, like, you hear stories like how, I don't know how much truth there is this, but like initially when this was first released and it was kind of laughed out of theaters and stuff like that, um, that Globus was almost like ready to kill himself over what a failure this ended up being. Like it does feel like it was a legit passion project for him because there's a lot of really good work in this film.

Like there's a lot to this film that you don't expect from a canon produced thing. Um, it's very, I think, I think on the downside of this, it's very derivative of better films that do the same thing. I find this way more enjoyable than, like, say, uh, Sergeant Peppers Lonely Heart Club Band, which I feel is also quite similar to this. It's definitely not better than Tommy. Tommy is probably the king of these sort of things at this period.

Um, but this, this feels like more of a mashup of, uh, Phantom of the Paradise and Rock and Rule to me. Uh, just the way it looks, the way it flows. Um, feels very much like those two stories, like elements of those two stories is put together in one movie. Um, I feel like Phantom of the Paradise and Rock and Rule do it way better. But I think this is pretty fun for what it is. It's, the story is all over the fucking place.

Like it, uh, our, I think the biggest problem is our leads are just fucking sad sacks that are not interesting. I like, as much as I like, uh, Captain Mary Stewart, I don't think she does much in this film to endure herself as an interesting lead. Um, I feel like, uh, fucking George Gilmore is just a cute guy of an accent. That's more, that's more like, um, and their music sucks. Like they're, their music sucks.

And this whole story is about like them, like changing and, you know, um, selling out basically, like the whole story is like she sells out, uh, to become popular and he stays true to his sappy love ballots that are really terrible. Um, and you know, if he was actually a good musician and the songs were good, that would be make this story a lot stronger, but he is terrible. His songs are terrible.

And even when fucking Captain Mary Stewart, um, switches to like this more sluddish pop star, her songs still aren't all that much better. Honestly, they're kind of like subpar, like rock stuff from fan of the paradise, like something, uh, that one of the bands in fan of the paradise would do as a B side and, and not mention ever again. Um, but the real joy here is, uh, Vlatic Shabal. As, uh, Mr. Bougaloo, um, his fucking character's great.

And he just acts up a storm and he just acts like around everybody and like steals every scene he's in. And that kind of saves the movie for me because I don't like musicals where like they just break in the song without any real reason. And they do that quite often in this and a lot of the songs aren't all that good.

And they do like every style available like there's, there's like fucking, um, there's like a balance, there's rock, there's disco, there's tap dancing, there's reggae at one point, uh, not all of it fucking lands, but like the good performances in this kind of save it. And also, I kind of appreciate how fucking gay this movie is. Like it, it's so incredibly flamboyantly gay. And it's not ashamed to be that way.

Like it's just very openly like we're, we're vibing on like how fucking spectacular we are. Like there's, there's a, uh, they, like the sidekick, the Mr. Bougaloo who's got like the fucking glitter lipstick and glitter eye shadow and shit like that and just running around with that shit on. It's like gay or straight.

If you're that dedicated to wearing glitter, I got to, like that, I got to give you some credit because that must have been terrible to like out of your clothes and off your body, like, once, oh yes, so different. Forwards. That's just, it's fucking, it's not that cool. It wasn't that much. I don't know. This guy was like 50% glitter in this movie. Um, I think I wear more and Saturday than he did. Okay. Say that. Okay, stop fighting. I'm not going to be a little bit more than enough to leave.

Um, but, uh, yeah, no, I, I kind of really enjoyed a lot of this. I, I feel like maybe it could have kind of few musical numbers and it needed better leads. But for the most part, this does not match the reputation it gets as like one of the worst movies of all time. It's like brother, I just saw America 3000 and that was way worse than the Apple. So like, let's just like slow your role a little bit before you start mouth and off about the Apple. Okay. That's it.

That's what you want to roll initial thoughts. Lady Lee. Um, I think we enjoyed a lot more than I did. It was, uh, I'm going to say it was really boring. Um, the first 10 minutes, the first 10 minutes, uh, I was like, oh, hey, like I kind of like this. It's got this whole weird, um, like, uh, what's before. Um, oh my god, I can't think of the word now. Anyways, um, it has this play on with like the not caring about gender. You just do what you want and you really don't care.

Uh, and I always love that. That's a big thing. And I was joking. I had message. I'd be like, total recall you have because the main guy told me to remind me to make guy and total recall. Yeah. So, um, when I was watching it, uh, I kind of got the sense that like for whatever reason, I don't know if it was the songs. I don't know if it was, but it felt to me like it was trying to hard because, yeah, I was trying to hard because it reminded me of, um, androgynous.

My god, that's what I was thinking of androgynous. There was a lot of a drogyny in this movie and I enjoyed it. Um, anyways, it reminded me of Rocky Horror Picture Show for whatever reason. I don't know why. Oh, no, yeah. It's also very much in the same vein as that. Yeah. But the problem is like Rocky Horror Picture Show was very much classic. Uh, say when you mentioned like Tommy was very much classic.

Like I think this one was just trying to run the co-tails of some other amazing musicals while this one just, I don't know, I don't know. I think they tried to have an idea of like the god and the devil like fighting against each other. But my issue was that there was no plot against the devil. Like there was no real reason why you should hate the devil. Like yeah, he was, and I don't understand why people, like there wasn't a reason for them to be miserable, right? Like it wasn't a forced plot.

There wasn't anything that was built on that. Like this almost reminds me of like the documentary, uh, Well, Well Country. The whole town was against the Russian-ish. Even though they worked very well together. Yes, they knew it was a cult. Yes, they knew all that kind of stuff. But the thing is they actually worked really well together to create this community that helped each other out. And they got hated on because like it was a mockery of god essentially.

This is kind of that side that reminds me of where like god comes to save the day to bring the modern thing, but there was I don't know what he was being saved from. Like I don't see. He's not, you're right. He's not, I mean, he's supposed to represent the devil, but he's not, he's not depicted as being like super evil. He's kind of a shrewd businessman and he's kind of like, you know, as bonus crooked as any like record producer of the time. But that's about it.

Other than the fact that like this is a dystopian future where for some reason the record company is the government and they have like kind of like thought moral police that like go around policing people and making sure they have a, a BIM sticker on their face or whatever the thought. But otherwise, Which part of it is sticker? Maybe also. Yeah, but you know, otherwise not necessarily the super oppressive evil regime that you would think it would be if he was like really a bad guy.

But that's, I think that's what bothered me. There wasn't enough to make the devil quotations. The bad guy like seemed like the devil like it didn't push on those elements of like her fallen into any sort of, I don't know, any, any sort of like wall or anything like just, it just seemed like she had a good life like she was celebrated. She got lots of attention. She was fucking a handsome guy.

Like. And once we get past, once we get to Gary and his thoughts and we get into talking about this, I'll go into another point with her. But also God in this, he's a fucking hippie. And it's like, I, I was supposed to like, and this is like the point when people are starting to like turn against hippies and shit in the culture. And it's like, Oh, hippies are starting to grow up to become like fucking accountants and like save up for their 401Ks and vote for Reagan and shit.

Like, are we, are we gonna, are we gonna like, you know, like, throw some, throw some love towards the hippies at this point? I don't think so. Like these disco hippies, like it just seems like a, a, a, a global misreading of what that culture was and what it represented, I think. And also, you know, and then I also feel like it's kind of like going, he's putting a little bit, he's writing a little bit into this.

But this is like a from a previously written, like it was supposed to be a, like a stage performance thing from, from the other two co-writers. And they actually started this in bit parts too. Who are they here? Toby and Iris, uh, Rect, are riched, maybe wrecked, whatever. Um, they were trying to get this off and running for years is like a stage performance, like Broadway kind of thing, musical or whatever. And they never came to fruition. So they made it into a film.

And it's obviously that there's, there's some more, you know, canon rewrites going on in here. And it feels like it made it more of a mess than it probably was originally. They didn't, the movie to me didn't feel very genuine, like first of musical. Like it just felt like somebody who had the opportunity to do something did it versus like taking the opinions on anybody. Like it just seemed like there was an idea here.

And people probably were like trying to give them feedback, but they're like, no, no, it's my idea. Fuck you. Because I just feel like there's a lot missing to make it something. Like you were saying the music's not that great. Like I love musicals. Uh, actually it's funny. It's a lot of it. I just watched my mom and me the other day or yesterday. And while it is a stupid silly movie, the song's were extremely catchy and how they do them. And that's what get too hooked on that musicals.

Like there's always that one or two songs that like get stuck in your head and you're seeing them. This one, I don't remember any of the songs. Like it's just a very mediocre music. Um, even the dancing elements, there was some good times, like some parts where there wasn't good dancing. But for a musical, like it kind of lacked that choreography feel too. And yeah, like I didn't, I just didn't care for the fight, like the fight against what, like I didn't get that rage. I didn't get that anger.

Like I wanted something more for like the climax. Like I just kind of within left disappointed. It was just a little lackluster storytelling in general. I think it just missed the mark on so many different levels. I did find it funny that the maximum heart rate for people of excitement is one to one, which means that like they're right. All 69 in the crowd. I think that's math if you do it correctly. Anyway, kind of funny. Like oh my god, their heart rates are reaching 151.

Okay. Is that supposed to be intense? I don't know. Like if you want them beaking, pretty sure like 20 year old should be peaking at 200. But okay, 150 cents exciting. Yeah. Oh boy. Yeah, this is the apple. This is the first time to the first time watching me. It's like we imagine I was going to mention this too, believe me to the punch there about this feeling like things are better than it is. Like it feels like fan of the paradise.

It feels like rock and roll like a mash together where if you ever see these films, my lady you should watch these films, especially a fandom and rock and roll is animated. It's still very, very fun. But they had a lot more thunder behind the lyrics and the voice behind it. And this film, I don't want to call it a excuse, but they've tried to play this thing.

And imagine it's a playoff of the year-origin contest that happens every year to where I think we're abacus discovered and all this other stuff. We just started to watch it in this country. Like last year, I think we were able to start watching that voting of it. Like actually watching the year-origin contest. You wanted to watch it, but apparently it's a very big deal in a lot of countries tonight with their playing off for this movie.

But it doesn't matter because they kind of say, hey, we found this act that we're going to exploit because they surprisingly sang this somber love song and people were digging it. And we'll make her a star and we'll dump this dude other places, I guess, because after they do, they turn baby into a star, you know, because one line, I have to find it, except the one line that basically is the whole canon model of, you know, you sell the idea and then you make the music or you make the song.

Yeah, you sell the album and then you make it is what they said. It's like, yeah, we're going into the studio next week. They record the album, but we've already sold it or whatever. It's like, what? Oh, yeah. It's the same thing as with canon would make the poster for the movie first to sell it to people before they even made the movie. Well, not just him, Charlie Band did that. Oh, a lot of those guys said they made the poster first to sell the movie. Roger Foreman. They made the movie.

Yeah. Oh, you're Roger Foreman too. Yeah, it was a big, big sell amongst independent filmmakers, make the poster first and sell the movie. I said, it was very interesting. They threw that in there and they say, hey, yeah, that is the canon business of my land. I just say, hey, well, I'm going to just promotional material and say, let's sell, sell, sell the movie. And that, that was the, the Apple.

Yeah. And that, and that prevailed into the VHS market when that became prominent in the mid to the late 80s, where it's like, you go into a VHS rental place and you see all these enticing covers for movies, you know, that were the, where the movie art on the cover looks amazing. And you buy that movie and it's like, it's promising so much. And then like nine times at a 10, it's just incredibly disappointing. Mm hmm. And this is fine.

Like you guys said, we're going to say, I was going to say, I've, for Lee, the used to be places called rental shops where you could rent VHS tapes. Did you realize that I was a part of that, right? No VHS tapes. You don't realize they were analog, not digital. And you had to rent them. Because I know I did that on the weekend with my family and friends. They were made out of glass. But it's cool. They told me it's playing VHS for me.

Yeah. Okay. So what you guys said though, the songs, the songs were all that great. You know, they were what they were. I could see why, how these guys were trying to turn into a stage play. Because that's what I was thinking the whole time. Like, you know, with the proper tweaking, this, this could become a stage play. Yeah. But these, it definitely needs some, some work.

I love the fact that you live in a world that at four o'clock, you're, you're a man to totally supposed to dance and exercise, no matter what you're doing. So they're, they're stopping a fire. They're trying to put out. They take the guy off a life support because it's four o'clock and they got a dance for the BIM. That was, you know, I love the fact that's. Yeah. That was probably the one good joke in the film, honestly. Like I was like, okay, that's, that's like a Monty Python sketch there.

Like that, there's something going on there that's funny. That was like, a lot of stuff was out of place and, I don't know, no, no, that's like the big thing. And the only thing I really liked was the, uh, Bougaloo, like, they could said that kind of with the same grace because his performance was just phenomenal. Like, he was fucking hilarious the whole time. He was on point from beginning to end. Like, he never lost character.

Even at the end when like, they had this such a, like, I don't know, most disappointing ending ever. Like it was just so drab and like, oh, here, we're just going to put the sad song where she comes back and then we're going to see her here later. She has a kid. The boyfriend has a beard now and she now owes money to, uh, Bougaloo, Bougaloo and God says no. Oh shit. His face the whole entire time. Well this scene was extremely boring to watch.

I was looking for him because he still made the funniest fucking faces. He was still background acting and he was fucking awesome. And and God's the real shit here. Uh, just saying every, every instance God's kind of shitty. Um, but in this movie, he, he's, you know, he fucking interferes with a legit contract that she had with Bougaloo that was doing very well for both of them and she skipped out of her contract legally, Bougaloo as head of state basically has every right to go after her.

It's not like they were beating these hippies or shooting them or anything like that. They're just like, hey, we're coming to bring take her away because she didn't, uh, live up to her side of the contract. I'm sorry, contract's a contract. Uh, unless she's, unless she's going to pay out, uh, then she can't get into the contract and I, I just, I'm kind of on the devil side in this like he, he kind of got screwed. I think the devil's life was a lot more entertaining than the baby making side.

Like I don't know if you're supposed to meet me turn to God in this movie, I definitely turn to the devil. And also like, what, what's with this ending where everyone gets raptured? Like that's, that's the ending. The good guys get raptured and go to heaven. What? There was things. It, it becomes like, just like Jesus rolls up in his, uh, his pink, his pimp car out of the clouds and then says, Hey, all are welcome in my pimp car.

Let's, let's go to heaven, man, you know, I'm waiting for, I'm waiting for fucking Kevin Sorbo to remake this because it's got a rapture in it. So, you know, it would, it would be a interest him to fucking, you know, get, let's get the walkness out of Hollywood and we'll make the really straight version of the apple with none of that gay stuff in it. And we'll rapture all the, in this case, we'll rapture all the fascists.

What kind of clear the rapture, the gay stuff was supposed to be bad because I was part of the devil. All the normal like nuclear family shit was, oh yeah, they were all hippies. They were all hippies. Yeah. So like realistically, when you think about the whole movie, they were supposed to be anti the gay stuff and anti the androgynous stuff and all that stuff, whatever. And you're supposed to be, yes, man, women, fall love, have baby, live in harmony and peace.

Um, are we gonna, are we gonna look past the fact that our male lead in this gets date rape to basically in this movie? He gets drugged and well, I was going to be at the plot point there that that Alps Dick can save the world because you know what, he went to the orgy under false pretense. He was drugged, yes, but he plowed pay the, you know, and the, I'm coming number in the movie. Not obvious at all. No. And she had, she had changed her, you know, just by getting some Alpidic there. Oh, yeah.

So it is, women just live for change, my men's penises, yet again in another bunch of movie. I still know, here's the thing though, I still don't understand why BB does a face turn all of a sudden and goes back to Alfi just because it's, it's, that's where it's like really weak, right? Like that's where it's just like it rushes to an ending that makes no sense because there's no reason for her to turn.

She's got a good thing going with the, with the, with Bogellou and being them music and all that shit. So it's like, and, and like Andy sucks. Like he, he, he writes bad songs. He's a bum living on the street. Now he sucks. I mean, he really doesn't even have the decency to become a drug. He's landlady boobies. You still like, I don't even see the purpose of that. I don't understand why he did it. I don't understand why I was in the movie. Like why? Everyone loves Mary and Margolis. That's why.

It doesn't matter. You don't just randomly grab a lady's boobies. She, she put lavender in her brolic that lady in the movie. Oh, yeah. Yeah, she smells so good. And they were firm. She does. It's not give consent to grab persons boobies, even if they smell good. It does in the dystopian future of the apple. Apparently, I do enjoy how we had a post-apocalyptic kind of dystopian movie. Yeah. This is like, you're right, the totalitarian.

Well, I mean, technically, this, so like the first movie is just post-apocalyptic. This is technically dystopian because it's like a police state, right? It's, it's like a totalitarian dystopian. Yeah, exactly. That is what I was saying, Lee. You're so plastic. It's really that bad though, because, you know, Boilu really wants to be distracted, but not by much of the fact that, you know, hey, you're going to get some entertainment.

You know what, you're going to get exercised every day at four o'clock. So in a way, he's helping with the cardio up. He's helping them be more outstanding citizens. That was funny. Those are the little more doth-sounds. Enjoy some. Yeah, with the hospital. I mean, I would, I would ask you this, Gary. Does this society look better or worse than the one in demolition, demolitionment?

And you know how much I just like demolition, man, and how I thought the politics and that people are so fucked up. Here it seems like, you know, yes, it's kind of a police state, but it's a super soft one. And it seems like people can kind of just be themselves in the door of the fuck they want, because Boilu doesn't seem like he enforces much of anything other than the four o'clock BMI moment or whatever the fuck it is. BMI? BMI, BMI, BMI. Body, mouth, index. Sure. I mean, that's part of it.

It's an exercise thing. You got to keep, you got to keep on that. But yeah, no, it, it's just the movie doesn't, it doesn't push into that political stuff at any serious degree, and it has no need to in the first place. It feels like that, that kind of stuff is written in, maybe by by go and globus and it's just, it doesn't match with the rest of the movie. Even then he's not really a villain.

He's kind of like saying, you know, hey, I'm entertaining people and distracted from all this other shit that's going on, because even when they move it on the hippies camp, they basically tell them, hey, you've been told before, you can't stay here, but this

time and this time, like any other time, they're woke up to stay there, but go back to your hippie cave, you know, like Jesus Christ superstar intended, and you know, stay there until you come out again, you know, another musical that was better than this one. Yeah. I'm not even a huge person on the Jesus thing, but I love Jesus Christ superstar. It's definitely a better musical. But you know, again, I don't want to, I don't want to damn this movie because I feel like it's unfairly shit on.

I think there's a lot of fun stuff in it. I think it's in general. There's so many people in this, like actually doing their best and like really trying. And you know, the materials just not there to bring it all together, but it's a valiant effort and it's definitely not one of the worst movies of all time. Like that's just fucking hyperbole beyond any reasonable fucking take from anybody.

Like that's a take from people who don't watch a lot of movies because I have seen way fucking worse than this. There are, there's the I kind of like way worse and still saying that this one's bad. Like I get that there's no way to say like, it's not good, but there's two, but this one's still bad. But there's enough in this that's fun that I can enjoy. It's as a complete package. It doesn't work, but there's still fun stuff.

Whereas I've seen movies where everything is across the board is fucking terrible. Do you watch this again? I would watch this again. Yeah. Oh my goodness. I definitely watch this again just to like talk on someone else's podcast about it for sure. No, without reason, just watch it again. Oh no, probably not, but I'd say that about like 99% of the movies I watch, even if I like them.

So that just throws your theory right out the window, missing and take your phone call unprofessional live on the air. Oh, I would kick it to the lady and ask her who's not. I forgot to mention our lead character from Boost Shaw Saskatchewan. Oh, yeah. So they're like fucking, they must be fucking some real yokals coming to play this fucking music festival thing. Anyway, lady, lady, where are your final thoughts on this movie, please? My final move. Okay. So I didn't like it.

Like the, like we said, the double, he did a amazing job. He was like the key component to this movie that made it like somewhat entertaining. But I got to the point where a lot of the songs were so boring that I was like skipping through them because I'm like, oh my god, the song is tongue. We took you way too long. Like I just, I couldn't sit down and watch this from the end without like wanting to just go do something else. Like it just did not keep me interested.

It did not keep me entertained. And like I said, it just lacked any sort of like real kind of, oh my god, conflict. There was no real conflict. It just seemed like just because of the devil, he's bad. I get that it's supposed to be like, oh, well, he's taking over everything. I'm like, okay, but if everything else is better than everyone's happy, I don't see it as being as much of a problem. I really wanted to, you hate him.

You got to hate the bad guy, but I was rooting for him because he was the only good part of the movie. Yeah, good. Mr. Lee, what do you think, sir? Like I said, I feel like there's a lot of hyperbole going around that kind of dams this movie right at the gate. And a lot of people just hear it from its reputation and go, ah, well, I'll skip it. I'd say watch this one. I'm not going to tell you.

I'm not going to tell you it's the greatest movie ever and anything like that because it's definitely not. And like I said, the fan of the Paradise Rock and Rule both way better versions kind of this to watch. But if you like that kind of stuff and you kind of want to watch something has some of those elements and it's still kind of fun.

And there's like I said, if you're a person who likes going into a movie and finding fun performances and fun elements and even bad movies, then there's a lot of that stuff in here that you can dig into and have fun at least for one watch. I'm not saying this is going to become an all time classic on your shelf or anything like that because it probably won't. But I think, you know, there's enough in this to give a sort of a base recommendation of, hey, this isn't terrible.

This is not the failure that everyone says it is. It is not. It's fine. It's totally harmless. It's fine. It's totally harmless. It's fine. It's just like a zero lift. It's boring. It's pointless. There's nothing. Nothing about it. That's giving any excitement or reason to watch it. I don't know. I don't know. I dug the future clothes. I dug the Battles, Battlestar Galactica fall collection that everyone was wearing. And, you know, I like the hippie disco glam concert.

I like a lot of stuff in this. I like Mr. Boogaloo. Like he's great. You know, I like that. This is set in 1994. You know, the distant future of 1994. And, you know, if this had better leads, I think it would be a whole different story, too. Like if you had like really good like lead heroes that could like really carry a movie, I think this would be a much different movie. But like they're just, they're both not good. The characters are bad and they're miscast. The story is also.

Yeah, the story, yeah, this is the thing, right? There's just no story there to like. And the music's bad. Some of the music's bad. Some of it's okay, but there's a lot of bad, too. And it pops up in weird places. That's the big, that's the big problem. But yeah. And the ending is very. Well, yeah, they have no idea. I'm still not going to change my opinion as much as you. I know you're up to. I just make sure I release them. If they decide to watch that they have someone who did.

No, I'm going to watch it. And on the other side, you didn't. I know what you're doing. No, I'm just trying to lead me across defense to. No, you can enjoy it. I just want to make sure that hour of the snows for this episode have a good understanding of someone who does they watch it and someone who doesn't. And they can make their own. Let's just say this. This movie was no America 3000. Thank you. Thank you. Because I really like to watch those.

I guess this is the first time watching me and I was able to say it was a. It was a good watch. I will say that as far as like it did what I guess was set out to do, you know, to do those movies you mentioned on a budget. And it's just it's not as good as other movies. So if we want to mention it, we hear some watching those days, they see a watch, they say we covered them all on one show or another rock and roll. Famous paradise and Tommy is an important time.

Yeah, the songs were okay, but like the leads, the leads, they need to sell a lot more than they did. And it really didn't, but I will say to Captain Mary Stewart, founder, teeth, not long after this. So she must have really took them acting lessons and perked herself up and she would go and make some pretty decent genre stuff. And I think that that do's is one of the most underrated things she's ever done. So maybe I'll come on your show, we'll do do's one time.

I think I think the lady would enjoy it. I think she would. All right. I might be a good idea. Yeah. It's a fun rock western there, lady. Yeah, this is fine. This is not, it's not like we said, it's not something to be dumped on automatically because of the folks say you should dump on it. I think you should go check it out for yourself. And yeah, make your own decision on the Apple because I hear folks saying, you know, a comment saying, oh, it's like the best worst movie there ever was.

I can't say that with confidence. But you know, as far as like, I want to like, you know, go smoke a blunt or something and share something random. I think the Apple festival, you know, I think it's better. It's a big festival with many places though, little TV for free though. If you want to go and watch this for free, put little TV hasn't for free. I imagine on demand. Yeah. There's a site. I use a lot of F movies that there's a lot of stuff on there and that's where I grabbed the Apple from.

That's where you got the Apple from. You can bite into it. I did. I wanted knowledge. That God didn't want me. I enjoyed that song. I thought that was fun. Yeah, the song where they're in hell. That was good. I like that one. And the first song. The coming song. The coming song was fun. The Apple and the first song that we had nothing to do with the actual movie except for like showing or sorry, winning the concert. You need to come. No, man. That's a fun one. Okay. Yeah. I have a look at that.

It was a good thing. I don't know. I don't know. I can't say it's not every. Yeah, everyone has one thing. One thing that'll compliment. All right. She said enough. She's not running an Amazonian tribe in the future wasteland. Let's cut this show off. Gary. Let's get let's get this done. Thank you. Everybody. Good day. close out the show. Hello, this is the Doom show. Keep on keeping on and keep on trucking America. We don't listen to our feedback because we don't get any.

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