Hey listeners. This is Neil Ludovic and Amir John dalli, welcome to leave looking up where we have uplifting conversations about the state of the world with our heroes, with the intention to demystify orient and leave you. Our listeners inspired for this episode, we sat down with a
truly inspiring woman. Sheila Marie whose voice in the world of Mental Health, social justice, and wellness is making real Fact, Sheila has many titles, including author, influencer and educator, but most important to her, Sheila is the founder of curvy curly conscious a movement focused on decolonizing and celebrating black women's bodies. In today's episode, we learn how to have a conversation with your
future self. Self-acceptance, the power of finding your own Community tips and tricks for success and more as we learn about Sheila's journey. And now, without further Ado, let's start this episode. We hope you enjoy it as much as we did and leave afterwards looking up. I would encourage you to trust yourself. Allow yourself to know, allow yourself, you're not getting something from somewhere. You have to figure out a way to get what you need.
Right? Why am I saying that is because I want you to be happy and I want you to behold and regardless of what's going on, the important thing is always that we get our needs met by masturbation and manifestation, that was one of our favorite topics from last year. What is that? I don't know. How do I do it? Sheila Marie. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you both for having me. I'm excited to be here.
I first met Sheila at a tedx harlem event coordinated in 2012. I feel that I've lived so many lives. I'm still living. So many lives that have so many lives. I will live that. I sometimes don't know where's the beginning? We kneel floated the idea of getting to sit down with Sheila and ask her anything. I was psyched to say the least. I want to know how she came to
be the inspiring person. She is today, I was raised in South Florida and my mother is Cuban but white racially and her family is also white Cuban and then my father's African-American and so they divorced when I was three and then my mother remarried, a white man who was I would say, typically likes They're an American, that's how I became.
The only black person in my household and my day-to-day experience was, I probably didn't really see many black people may be at schools where I saw the most, but even then, I was in the gifted and talented program and maybe out of 50 kids, there was for black kids. And in my class there was one and it was me. And then at the same time, I had my little sister who's blonde hair, and blue eyes and she's my best friend to this day. And so, you know, I remember
when she was Was born. I just thought she was like, a baby doll. You know that we had like Little Mermaid. We had predominantly all the princesses and everything were white, fair skin. A lot of the dolls I was playing with white. And so, I have this like little beautiful, white baby, and I was just like, this is amazing. I'm like, this is like Toni Morrison. Blue is II. Was just like, what the hell did I do wrong? What the fuck? Sorry, can I curse you?
Do whatever you want. Okay, so explain to me, how the hell I got like It's like what, you know, it was asking having these like, existential conversations my mom and she was just overworked and she's gonna have time after this shit, you know? But I was looking kiss away, break it down, break it down, I know what happened. Okay, so I know what happened. Okay. Babies are all born white, that's what I thought that was the standard, right? That's the norm.
And then like there's like a tanning part in the hospital and like you go and you like, put your baby in the Tanner and like you take him out when you want when they're ready and you just forgot me in there, right? My mom is like, Like washing dishes or something like Sheila. Yeah, okay. Okay. I know what happened. So you you can take me to Home Depot because we went there the other day and there's pain, so we can fix this. And so then when I realized okay you can't go to Home Depot and
paint yourself. I was like, well you have to pick a side. That's the message. I was getting it's black or white, especially in America breaks down to a binary that always falls apart. When you put it under a microscope, but as a kid I'm like it's either black or white. I can't fit in with white kids. I was Like I don't want to I want to be around people that look like me. Like what's up like I'm watching Family Matters. I'm a father on the force and
that kid was my son. I think that you rousted. My son, come on, give me a break. It's dark. It's a black guy. Oh, Case Closed. Lock him up. You know, bottom line, your kid was in the wrong part of town. Demonstrations. Okay, Crusader, I believe in your car when I appreciate that. Oh my God.
What's wrong? If you want black history, go back to Africa. And I'm looking at, like, wow, what would it be like to be around a family that looks like you to be around women, who know how to do your hair, or know how to like a she putting on. On white people ocean and it's not working, you know, seems like very rudimentary things but it has so much meaning. And so, I just decided I was going to be black. Like that, was it? It was like going into Middle School, maybe sixth grade.
I was like, I'm tired of eating lunch in the bathroom and being scared that. I'm going to be bullied and made fun of because I'm Oreo, I'm hanging with white girls. You know, I'm saying? I cut off all my white girlfriends, and they were my homies and I just told myself, you gotta fucking shoes. So I was like, Guys, I can't come over anymore. Sorry can't ride to school with you anymore. Mom dropped me off in the back so I can walk. I don't want anyone to know.
I have a white Mom. I'm not showing any pictures of my baby sister, and I'm just going to like fit in and that's really what I did for. Maybe middle school, high school, it started to become more natural. Organic, I found a real group of friends who are like authentically attracted to me and not what I did in middle school, which was kind of like, oh, black or just black.
I'm going to fit in now. Everything is going to be good but that doesn't mean You align on shared experience or values or anything else other than skin tone. And so, that was that right there. That little story can capsulate like, a lot of the things that stayed with me throughout my whole life, having been on this journey of self acceptance, Sheila realized that not choosing between different parts of her identity, gave her the ability to be kind of a chameleon.
She could weave in and out of different communities with ease and confidence. I think that my early Cemented this idea of one of these things is not like the other. You're not really going to fit into groups. You kind of don't know who you are. You're too much for this group, not enough for that group, and in many ways, I created that throughout my life. That's why I go in and out of so many circles.
I was a teaching artist, but not formally a teacher because I was, like, I don't wanna be a teacher teacher. So, when I had my freedom, you know, and then I was in acting, but I didn't really go into it and be it full time. Like I was pursuing it full time but always have the backdrop of like, I need to teach You know, just in case this thing doesn't work out, I don't know if I'm good, but I'm not that good. I'm dating a rapper, but I'm not rappers wife.
I'm not rappers girlfriend, I'm kind of different, a little weird. So, always like being in those liminal spaces or in and out. At the same time, I feel that has been my greatest strength, which I have not always been able to call for those that want to really internalize what this is and understand who you are and what you're building. Can you tell us about Curly Kirby Consciousness?
You know, for the people that don't know Kirby curly conscious is a Do that create safe spaces for women to heal and grow. We are most known for the unruly Retreat, which is our Retreat? That is exclusively for women, who identify as black. We do that our Retreat every year, but we also do other events for women who are interested in healing and growing but not taking it too. Seriously.
And I think that that's the best thing about the curvy curly conscious Community is that I'm not here to be some Guru that is proclaimed to have it all together. ER, and better than you and you should aspire to be me. No, that's not it. Let's say you're just coming in to occur because the conscious event and I would say my little Spiel, the first thing we're going to do is we have to get
rid of judgment. Self-judgment is one of the biggest blocks into being honest with yourself, and in order to do any thing, we're going to do Beyond this point, we need radical honesty and the experience of not judging
ourselves and others. This bill is informed by her experience working as a teaching artist in New York back when Neil met her at the tedx event, almost 10 years ago, one of my favorite things to do when I walked into a classroom, we had to be put into these classrooms with kids who do not want to hear theater stuff at all. And they would always complain. And what I would do is I would walk into the classroom and say, okay, I know you don't know me. I'm not your teacher.
I know you don't want to do this. I'm going to give you 10 seconds of complaining. Ten seconds to complain. Complain complain. Get it all out. And then from there on, if complaining shows up, we're going to say thank you, but no, thank you. So we're going to do the same thing with judgment. Any judgment that you have yourself anything. That's you're nervous about any judgment. You have of the are empowerment and women's empowerment. Anything you have, you're gonna
say it work. 10 seconds. Everybody's going to get loud. Everybody's gonna say anything that's standing in the way of them getting what they need today, and then we counted three. One, two, three. Oh empowerment of It's aren't really empowering. I can't believe what I'm doing here. I'm, I'm alone. Nobody's gonna like me. I'm not going to make any friends. Oh my God, that'll even microwave on it. Okay, and now welcome to Kirby fully conscious. That's how we like lay the foundation.
So what we notice is like that's just a small like, you know, activity, but it's that cosmology. Like is that way of seeing the world that the foundation for all of the events, Sheila built a beautiful space for black women and from the very beginning it was unruly indeed. The first Retreat we ever did, it's a clothing optional Resort and I didn't quite know what I was getting into but this is the Aries and me we go and ask questions later.
And the first night so you can choose, you don't have to, you can choose, there's like a side, you can go in the pool and it's like everybody's going to have regular swim stuff on or whatever or you can go to the other side. But you have to be new. You have to be fully nude. Like that's the only way everybody was on that side. The first night everybody's it was almost a hundred of us if we were all over there and I was like, how did I get here?
But it was the coolant experience of my life and I'm so happy, I was able to do it because it was a little awkward for five minutes but Then after that it was it. So you have a belly ring. Oh my goodness. Oh my. Is that your c-section scar? That's so cool me, too. That I love your stretch marks. Look at mine, but it was just beautiful. And I was like, this is the world I want for. Where is? It was so cool.
I wish I could do one of those again that sounds like the most awesome Retreat. Sheila succeeded in making a liberating space for black women. Free from everything Society project onto them. If I'm like human like I know that I'm human for sure, but I kind of feel like sometimes I was a part of like some other people and they like dropped me off here by mistake and I really am not supposed to be here. I thought for many years. I'm too sensitive for this earth.
Like I'm crying. Everything hurts, my feelings. I'm feeling people's emotions all the times. I didn't know what an impact was for many years. So I just thought, am I crazy like, you know, I'm highly spiritual. I feel like I'm always seen. Things that other people are not seeing. And then, if I say people say that, I'm not, and I feel crazy,
and then I'm a black woman. I'm not supposed to be this sensitive, you're supposed to be strong, but I don't fit in, and I always felt that I just am in the wrong world. And then I found my community and I found other women who are saying me too, I'm also sensitive, but I just don't show it or I've never even had the space to explore it.
And so, I just think about the lineage, Of black women's bodies and are, you know, labor taking care of our own family, breastfeeding other people's children, and then coming home and having to take care of your children and how much we identify our worthiness, our value, our self-identity about how much we can do, how much we can work. And then not only for black women, everybody, especially, in America, we live in fucking Wolf of Wall Street.
Like it, where you, you are worthy to pay some, what you can produce, what if you produce and Even me I'm in the women's empowerment space and and I used to be like, yeah, girl boss, that's what I want to be, or do you girl boss, my company, made this much, I did this place, did it? And then I thought to myself, like we're kind of just recreating the same thing. But in pink, you know what I'm
saying? Recreating oppressive structures isn't, what Sheila wanted to be doing like many of us before the pandemic. She was going full speed but once everything stopped, she realized. It wasn't sustainable. Thing was going to give if she didn't slow down and re-evaluate what success meant to her. If it was no longer pink girl boss.
I felt that I was on a treadmill and then pandemic a and I got off the trail on. I was like, oh my God, I'm fucking tired, I'm exhausted, I'm exhausted, I don't like the way I'm living. I don't want working this hard, black bodies in the United States, have been defined around their labor, and even in worthiness, Around their labor, you know, if you could produce a certain amount of cotton than you would be a better Slave at that time.
And I think that for my community being taken completely out of that environment, and it's a total disruption that you don't even realize. I am a sensitive to. I have feel like that also. I also feel like I maybe just going with the flow of things that I don't like, I haven't really thought about how much I don't like that and I don't know. If you can come to that realization without these types of disruptions and there, we were very privileged to be able to have them.
I feel like I have a responsibility to offer up these disruptions in a day-to-day type of way or in a way for somebody who can't go away. Can't afford a retreat, can't leave their family. When she says disruptions, I picture a train coming to an abrupt stop having to pause and take stock taking the time to ask. What am I actually doing? Interrupting. The Breakneck pace of our daily lives allowing for deeper reflection and increased self-awareness.
It's less about doing and more about not doing and being okay with that. Which could have the greatest impact on our mindsets. I saw a tick tock the other day that said something. Like, for people who grew up in chaos piece feels like boredom. And I have to remind myself that, you know, there are tons of things more than I should be doing more things and more and more and more and remind. Myself like what a gift? It is to just feel like that,
I'm not on high alert right now. Like remind my nervous system that we're not at War and it's okay, to be, you'll notice even from my response, time and emails and the amount of jobs that I take, I give myself space now that I've never given myself permission to do because I actually want to live because we're human being not a human doing. And for me, that doesn't mean going on a big trip go. It just means He's like, oh, you know what? I haven't played Sims in 10 years.
I fucking love this Sims. That's it. You know, I'm going to read a book today whatever, you know, not everything has to be geared towards. What am I doing? And creating a finding that time to just be and it sounds like a kind of cliche but it really is true for me. Neil, and I are speaking with Sheila Marie about why she started the curvy curly conscious movement together. We want to dig deeper into the
tools. We've all used when facing obstacles whether they're beyond our control or inside our own heads. There's one awesome tool which has been sort of a guiding Mantra in.
Where do you go when you have nowhere to go is your mind, your mind is this infinite abyss and there's this cool tool called The Invisible Council. It's a space that 4510 however many people alive or dead that you idolize that you embody that if you have questions about what to do and how to do it, take 30 minutes on your Monday morning and have an invisible council meeting and you sit down And you have this meeting and what you
will learn about yourself just through the perspectives of the other people that are coming there that are sitting down at your little council meeting and having that community that can challenge you and that can push you. I think there's an ideal of masculinity that is like, I don't need these kinds of tools and resources and take a moment
to myself. I was raised in a household with the idea of bottling, your emotions and pulling pulling yourself up by the bootstraps was completely internalized. I'm just now in a space where that's shifting and changing But it took that suggestion in combination with looking at a few of my role models and hearing that they did that too. There's a serious decolonization that needs to happen.
Both in our bodies for for what work is and I think a millennial a millennial stance of you are defined by the work that you do. What you said about the invisible council is so interesting because one of my favorite meditation is, is based on. Have you ever heard of Quantum Jumping know? I based it off of that Quantum Jumping is the Principal like there could be unlimited parallel, universes and unlimited parallel versions of
you. And so if you're having an issue here, all you have to do is just go meet the other version of you who's figured it out and see what they did and ask him, what they did spend some time, watch what they're eating, watch what they're doing, and it's very similar to that when you said, where do you go and you have nowhere to go and I had so true when I started my journey and I was living in New York and that I couldn't afford to do any of that. I went to free yoga classes. It.
I was meditating every day I just was like, I'm going to be here. I'm gone. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go at that time. I was just getting out of an abusive relationship and I was like I I can't even imagine and a guy like we having a healthy Dynamic. Like I'm I'm worthless. I'm a lovable. You know. Like when you're out of a breakup, you feel terrible and so I was going there like let me just go visit the version of myself. Whoo, What do I want? I actually do want to be married.
I think I've been telling myself this whole Time. I don't want to be married because I want to be like a feminist like I'm in the independent. I don't need anything. I'm gonna just live like on a communist. So I was like, I'm gonna go meet married Sheila and I'm gonna go see what she's doing. And so this is at the time when I have no marriage prospects in sight at all. I was I all right, I'm just gonna go and see what I started reading.
I was devouring books at the time and so I went into this meditation Quantum leaping, you basically you see a door and then you open the door. The other side of the door will be yourself, you have to identify whatever that that self is okay. It's myself, who's married? And first is I just observed, and I just saw and I have his journal entry to this day and I wrote down that I noticed that they were getting up like, on their own accord.
It wasn't like an alarm clock. So that told me, I think they work for themselves. It's like me and a guy. And I was like, okay, then when I saw him, he was darker skin. I was like, yes, And he had like these locks, who's like, oh, he's so fine. He had locks and they were like, down his back and I was like, okay? I couldn't tell that it could be an athlete but he's not an athlete. Like he's very athletic police killed, but that's not what he does.
I can figure out what he does, but then I saw that I was making breakfast and it was just a slow like, getting out of the house. So I was like, we're not rushed for anything, but the house looks really nice. So we might be doing, okay?
Okay, and I wrote all those things down and like years later, when I met a case, I had to read him, the journal entry Aces, her husband better known as Ace Hood the multi-platinum selling rapper and recording artist who you may know from Love & Hip, Hop in Miami. I'm so blessed and thankful and privilege and then he's muscular. It could be an athlete, he used to play football, but he doesn't. He has lots.
I was like, this is crazy. Like last year, we did a couples therapy and one of our exercises was to go off and we individually had to write down all the versions of ourselves that ever existed from like any time that you felt that there was a transition and you went from one version of yourself to another. Then that's a new one and list them. And like, give them a name and I cannot tell you. That was the most profound exercise of ever done. Not only for me, but learning
that about him. But even myself Sitting down and then like, well it's almost as if they're all these versions of myself are apart of this Orchestra and they needed to go off and each of them needed to have their like rehearsals, like the violin strings need to go together and harmonize with the strings and the percussion and they can't all harmonize together at the same time. They need to hear everybody's like a different tones and ways of working.
But then when they come together I feel like previous points in my life. I was fighting them. I don't want to be that one. I don't like that one. I reject that one. That one around. And now I feel like I'm just not coming to a place where they can come together and harmonize the ability to have Harmony within yourself. Absolutely changes the game. I appreciate what she'll is talking about because giving yourself permission to see is super important.
I always check in with my future self and see what he's doing, it helps me work through, whatever challenges I'm facing. So how does Sheila give herself permission to see? I'm writing my second book this year, the editor asked me who you writing this book for, and I kept thinking my community, I'm writing it for a woman who had a similar experience to me and, and all those answers and I, and I kept going into my meditation and be like, why does it feel like it's there?
But it's not quite there. And the other day I was like, all right, all right, all right. Sheila, who wrote the book already? She little wrote the book already and Sheila who has it's amazing New York Times best-seller about like Who is it in? And I saw her. And she looked like, almost like a superhero, and it was like, very clear to me. I was like, oh, okay, I'm writing the book for myself.
Oh my gosh, am I narcissistic? Are you know, there's so many nurses, teachers, distinct Rays. That's such a buzzword now. No, no, it has to be altruistic has to be selfless, has to be for my community. And then what I realized is that like if you have a history of people pleasing, what you find is that you can't even be egocentric. You don't even know who you are. Your whole identity has been you
sir. By you being sensitive to the needs and the thoughts and the opinions of others around you and then they've been molded into your identity that to the point where if you don't ever sit down and get to know who you are, if you don't ever sit down and let yourself be the captain of that ship, you can't them adjust then you can't even
manage. Then you can't even ship because it's like you have that first step is being like okay what part is me and what part is not me and how did I get here? And why? And what I want to do now. And so I think that going back to spend time with myself, felt so comforting even just if it gave me the indication that I could do it that I knew. And so now like coming here to when I'm writing my book, I very much was like okay that's it.
I'm writing the book for those past versions of Sheila because at any point during my journey if she would have read this book it would have helped her in some way and I also am writing it for the future version of me that can only Be born. If I write the book, this beautiful picture that you paint in my head, is this future? Like, I you've painted it, I see this version this future version of yourself and you meeting it.
I think that sometimes I have to make sure to remind myself that I met her because I'm always thinking about to Future versions. So, remind yourself that you have caught up with her in a certain way and fighting through a lot of imposter syndrome of like what Why do people care what I have to say? Like, I'm not a doctor, I'm not a PhD. I'm that like, telling myself all of these reasons why I'm not qualified.
And so I have to remind myself to impostor syndrome with, like, shows up for a lot of us now, I have a question and it's along this train of thought here, and, and it's about who you look up to. And before I fully release, that question. I also want to offer another reflection, another acknowledgement, something else that I'm that I'm seeing that I'm hearing here. There's a book that I Of it's my most gifted book.
It's called the anatomy of the spirit and there's a part in that book where it talks about the four stages of personal power. And one of these words came up, the two stages are Revolution and involution. The third stage is narcissism than the fourth is evolution.
So the first two in short our stages, where you kind of start realizing that you might be thinking differently than people around you, maybe you realize that you're queer, maybe you realize that you're actually Ali don't want to be living in this city anymore or maybe you might realize, oh, my gosh, what's going on with single-use plastics? Something about that, is different, right?
And then, in the third stage, this narcissistic stage, which you said earlier, you said that, you know, there could be a lot of different interpretations to that word. In this case, the narcissistic phase is one where you're pretty firm on your new value. You know, you do your best to carry a reusable, water bottle everywhere.
You know you feel proud and you want to dress a certain way or Etc. There's just this like phase where you're like, this is who I am right now and if The person remains steadfast throughout this process, they shift into the fourth stage which is evolution and they shift from being a person to a Persona and one that can create a field that
galvanizes inspiration. And I'm saying this, because I want to offer that reflection that what I'm hearing from you is as a girl, you were realizing all of these ways in which the world made you feel like you didn't belong and then somewhere along the line, you did find your belonging. And then that cup is runneth over. That micro became a reflection of the macro and what you
created for yourself. Your own sense of belonging and as where as we're hearing from you and as we're coloring in these wonderful lines of your story, who do you look up to now in addition to your future self who creates that sense of
belonging for you. Like I really, really look up to people who are bold, I honestly look up to the Generation Z. I think that's why I like Tik-Tok so much because they are so bold and so intelligent and have such a grasp on how to talk about race and gender that my generation is still like just learning about. And they are so bold with how they speak openly and accept who they are. And hold themselves accountable as feel that Generations.
He also has a kindness that I really think is refreshing. Humans can be Harsh. And I really admire kind people because it is very hard. It takes a lot of strength and courage to be kind in our world. I love that you share that. It gives me, it gives me a different lens to look into that. I also think it it segues really well into this idea of who were giving thanks to, who are we
recognizing Our Lives? Both that, we know and that we don't know that Inspire us. Anyone that you haven't given thanks to already that you would want to do right now. I wish I could find Miss miles. Miss miles, was my eighth grade AP, English teacher. And on the first day of school, she gave the whole class roses, everybody had like an individual rows, and we were just like, what are we doing? This is a rose and she said, now, look at your rose. And look at everybody else's roast, right?
Everyone has a different rows. Some are closed, some are more Open than others. Some are different sizes. Your journey in this class, this year is going to be yours. Don't compare yourself to the people around you and so that was so comforting to me. She set the tone for how we were going to move through the year and she always made learning so fun. She did everything in such a fun and creative way she held us to very high standards.
But if you fell behind, she always met you where you were. And I never forget that day with the Roses. I tried to find her before. And I hope that this, this finds her because Miss miles deserves all her roses as well. Yes, miles, thank you. If you are listening to this, please reach out to us. Thank you. Miss Mi, thank you, Miss miles. What do you want our listeners, your listeners to do after you hit this podcast, just finished
right now? What do you want their energy to go to as soon as this ends sit for a second and silence before I can move on to the next Said Tiffany even if it's actually 60 seconds and just sit and ask yourself. If there's anything that you want to take anything, a lot of things are going to fly by, but is there anything that you want to take with? You is like there. Any one thing that you can take any gem that you can take to
implement into your daily life? Because there's so many I'm sure here and I really want to say thank you because I don't do podcasts. I feel like I got some type of healing on some aspect of my life, just being here from being in a man that are supportive and Men. That are uplifting women and and giving us the micro sharing at the kids. Really beautiful. And you should definitely just be honored for that. I'm honored by your presence. Oh my gosh.
Oh my gosh. Thank you for so, so refreshing. That's flashing happening right now. But real version of myself that is working on internalizing. A compliment is struggling right now. The other version says let's confuse that with humor. Okay this looks like a great moment to segue to the rapid fire. All right, I started ready your favorite movie? Um, oh that's too hard. That's too hard. A revolutionary room favorite song who are also my favorite song?
Oh, Part of Your World Little Mermaid. Why haven't favorite foreign word? What? And where was I? In Dakar Senegal. That's how you say like say - Jared. If I just remember is just, it was just beautiful. That's all I can say. Favorite fruit. Oh, I'm gonna go with Appleman apples. All right. Pancakes, or waffles? Waffles all day. Oh yeah, hesitate on that. When are your golden hours? When are you most productive? Like 2 to 5 p.m. and bring it home? Chocolate or vanilla?
Exactly. I want to, I want to throw one other one, other question in there. What's the last thing you do before you go to bed for? You going to wait before you end your day the last and to them is dead. Oh, I watch Netflix. That's the last thing I do at the end of my day. Yeah, me and my husband, we go watch something and the complement to that is. What is the first thing you do when you wake up I like what how do you start your day?
Thirty minutes of exercise. For my men tools and everything. Thank you so much Sheila for joining us, for being part of leave looking up and, and giving a little bit of your time and energy and mentality to us. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you seriously. Thank you so much Sheila. Thank you. The feeling is mutual. Thank you so much.
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