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Clear, Wasserman is an inspirational Teacher and author who founded, ladies, get paid a platform community and book the Champions. The professional and financial advancement of women named as one of the top, 100, most powerful women by Entrepreneur magazine, and one of the 75 most influential Financial leaders by Marquis, who's who Claire has advocated for women globally. She's hosted podcast and has garnered international coverage for her work.
In today's episode, we sat down with Clare to learn how she built a business. That's changed the game for women, in business, through Community Education and empowerment. We hope you enjoy it as much as we did and leave afterwards looking up. So now, without further Ado, let's start this episode. Thank you very much for being here with us. Thank you for having me and thanks everybody for listening. She's an activist. She's an entrepreneur.
The list goes on. We're really glad to have her today. And want to start understanding a bit. How did you get here? Claire, what brought you to this? Incredible space. We've done all these different things. How much time do we have? Yeah, okay, the whole day women are struggling. We are struggling. There is a wage Gap in investment Gap, funding Gap, leadership Gap, Gap, you name it. We're we need to make more money and that's not something that I fully realized until I had a
pretty sexist experience. That woke me up. This was probably 2015, I went to this advertising Festival, south of France, very fancy first night, there was a party and I walk into the party older guy comes up to me very nice. Smiley sticks out his hand and he says Well, hi now whose wife for you? Oh, okay. That's what this is going to be about and it was a full week of
interactions like that. Just constantly, you know, whether I was not being taken, seriously, being objectified ignored, just felt like I had constantly had to navigate this like gender power Dynamic. And it was really exhausting and of inoffensive at times really offensive. And after that, I, you know, I went home and I wrote a little essay, Hey, of trying to understand my place in those interactions. So it wasn't these guys suck. It was actually turning inwards in wondering.
Did I cause any of those interactions? Right. I think a lot of women in particular tend to do this, we blame ourselves and when I shared the the essay with some friends, they immediately went back, they said, oh my gosh, I have also experienced this, can I share with my friends? Sure, I started to get emails from people. I didn't know kind of like my essay was going viral in my inbox.
To give some context Claire wrote this essay back in 2015, before it became more acceptable to talk about. These kinds of experiences time's up in me to the movements that went viral on social media, and has helped draw attention to the pervasive sexual harassment, women experience in their workplace, in their lives happened in 2017 in like people were not really talking about. I mean, there was no mean to like, we were not talking about this stuff and, you know, I just
started to research. Like I remember typing into Google also sort of funny, I typed into Google women work and equality like no idea where to begin. And so in uncovering these statistics I really was shocked. I was shocked. And I was ashamed actually because I didn't realize how bad it was particularly for women of color. This was really bad. I just want to for the listeners out there. Get a bit more of the gravity of the situation where it was then what metrics do we need to know about?
Yeah it's unfortunate. Only not going to surprise you and we can talk more about what the wage Gap means. There are people who think that it doesn't exist. There are nuances to it. I do want to say like it is it absolutely exists all together. It's about 80 cents on the dollar 70 to 80 cents on the dollar. Okay, that's the aggregate. But when you break it down, further black women it's closer to 60 cents on the dollar.
And like I said before, Hispanic women 55 cents on the dollar actually Asian women have the smallest wage Gap, even smaller than white women. So the way that the wage Gap is calculated, it takes in a lot of different. Factors. Some of it is you know just based on the industry, women tend to be in lower-paid Industries than men. It's also based on the roles that we have within those Industries roles that we have
within the organization itself. These are actually called occupational segregation and so you're going to see things like as a society. We've decided we're going to pay teachers less when you look in the school system, who tends to be principals and superintendents and they make the most men. So then there's a wage Gap, right? The women who are the teachers and the men were the principles in the superintendent's now you could say well what's the wage Gap?
There you know, these women are, they're not choosing to be principles they're not choosing to be superintendents. Are they really not choosing it or are there other underlying issues here like lack of Paid Family? Leave, You know, the default caretakers are women? There's a lot of layers. You got to peel back. There are industries that used to be male dominated and those industries were paid more when they were male-dominated over
time they shifted. And became more female dominated and then all of a sudden they get paid less or vice versa. So software Engineers, a lot of women are software Engineers back in the day, they were paid less now very male-dominated, they're paid more interior, decorating, very male-dominated, used to be paid more now. It's more female-dominated paid last even like retail right, service workers, their hourly the paid, the least, and guess who they're dominated by women
of color and often times. Those are single mothers. Yes, and so that everything gets compounded. Thank you. That is some fantastic context. Just one thing to mention. Whenever, you know, we all enter the workforce, we're all getting paid pretty much the same. You know, when it shifts when women have their first child guy, it's actually called the motherhood penalty.
So if you know anybody listening, if there's one takeaway, you know, does the wage Gap exists or not, there is a big drop off when you see women have kids not the case for when a man has his first child. In fact, oftentimes men get raises And that's called the fatherhood bonus. We just pay mother's less. We just do. And as a society, we do not have a safety net for families. I told you we're going to start in a really depressing way it
gets better. I'm just sitting with that a moment and trying to imagine what it was like as you learned all of this information that rage that anger for me there was a fundamental shift like there was the before the statistics and then there was the after and when reading this stuff it just it made me so angry but I had no place to put the anger because I didn't know as an individual. You know, what can you possibly do to combat something? That is so systemic.
Humming structural entrenched overwhelming and so I did nothing. I just kind of felt pissed for like a year and it really wasn't until a friend of mine came to me and she said that she recently discovered that she was just not charging as much as her male counterparts, you know, could you put on an event? Or is there something we could do? I don't know.
What are your thoughts? And that was my aha moment because I realized back to that question of as an individual, what could I do to combat something that was systemic like the wage Gap? It Was charging more. Oh my gosh. Could I could I close my own wage Gap? Let's start there. I then hosted an event. It was a town hall for women to talk about money and everything changed. After that, I had had a start-up before. I want a sad one and a half startups failed.
Although I actually they're not fail startups because they've absolutely morphed into what I do now. So I feel like I was practicing for this for a long time. You mentioned you'd started companies before and as is the entrepreneurship game, they don't always work out what felt different here. One thing I want to say in my previous startups is I didn't know how to make decisions. I didn't know how to make business decisions like how do
we monetize decisions? And that's why I ended up going to work for other startups to learn how to do that. So if I were to do those things now, I do believe they would work but only because I have an honor. Standing of how business Works in general. So there is something different about ladies, get paid for sure, but mostly I'm just different. So I saw the need, then I instantly saw how I could solve the need and how I would make
money from that need. Because in my mind, if you don't have an idea of how you're going to make money, it's not a business. It's a project which I have had
before. For me, the way that this was going to make money was I was Finding instructors, coaches money, coaches, career, coaches, and putting on workshops with them where we would just split the ticket sales and then I saw the larger vision You know, you begin with salary negotiation, but there's so much more me, it's like you make more money or what do you do with your money? Where do you invest it?
Wait, let's take a step back. How do you even make the case for more money in the first place? Well, are you in the right job? Do you love what you do, right? So I could see what the vision was. But I also understood that how important it is to really listen. And a big game changer to all of this was actually went across the country and I hosted town halls in 19 cities that that town hall that I started in New York for women to talk about money.
I did it all. Over the country and I really got to see where the energy was that was crucial. There's an extra element of if you can experience where they have energy, you are going to do an even better job. Serving them where, you know, we started the email by saying I'm sorry that it took me a day to respond to you. Why don't we say thanks for your patience right? Women tend to say I'm sorry for things that have nothing to do.
You never should feel sorry for those things but we're constantly again, making ourselves. Small by apologizing. So I would say start counting be observant of how many times you do kind of deflect or or make yourself smaller in that way. Unfortunately 2020 and 21 had different plans, like many of us. The pandemic changed Claire's approach to work right? Where more online were not as in person and considering that that was so much of your fuel and you're recharged physically
spiritually. How has that changed? Age that the people that you're advocating for you don't get to meet them to see them to feel them in person. What you know what's what how how are you navigating that? Well, first of all, there's a downside to do in the in-person. You can't scale as quickly. Okay?
It's exhausting. But right now it's more like the one-on-one conversations with people as opposed to the group dynamic, you know, when I get wonderful emails and, you know, DM's and I said of just looking at it for one second, I really sit with it and when a person tells me, Story or something amazing that happened or thing that they overcame. I really like feel. It's right. But I have to make an active effort to do that.
Otherwise, it's just like, oh cool, nice message and then you move on. So, I just have to kind of slow myself down a little bit. I think when I have those interactions when they're online, yeah, different worlds, different world now. But navigating the workforce during the pandemic, it can be a challenging time.
We all know this, but women in the u.s. they're losing more than Five million jobs, we caught up with three determine women looking for the secrets, to resetting their job, search and the career coach helping, ladies, get paid. That was Robin Roberts, introducing Claire on Good Morning, America in 2021, Claire adapted to the pandemic and grew her business, by supporting women.
Virtually planning webinars, putting together a video library and building her slack Community, which is now made up of 55,000 women who Changed over two million messages growth in the face of a pandemic is so impressive but it wasn't the only challenge that she faced and overcame on this journey. I can only imagine in this space that you're in this landscape.
You've gotten lots of feedback about your role and your company how you respond when people have given you criticism or feedback both from your audience and your competitor. Well, we were sued for gender discrimination by a group of men's rights activists. So yeah, so talk About
criticism. I mean if anyone's curious and wants to go down a rabbit hole and get really fucking mad go to ladies, get sued.com, we did a whole campaign around it ladies get sued.com is worth visiting to get the full story. Here's a short clip from the main video posted to that site where Claire explains, just what she was up against because of the nature of our events are so sensitive. I mean we're talking about things from like discrimination
and harassment. I made the decision to make it for female identifying and non-binary people only I just felt that if there were men in the room, that it would really make it uncomfortable for women to speak up, but then we got sued for gender discrimination. Thankfully, they hit their crowd funding goal. We're nearly 2,000, people have contributed a combined 115, thousand dollars to help support ladies. Get paid legal costs, plus continue to support the efforts of ladies.
Get paid as a whole that's been like, my biggest outside group of people hating what we do. Do it was further validation of what we do but also very demoralizing. You know, like this is what the world is, right? So there's that no nobody is ever as critical of me as I am of myself. Everybody's quite lovely actually, the thing that's been hardest actually is trying to figure out why something isn't working. That's the thing, I don't think enough people talk about it's
like learn from your mistakes. Well sometimes you don't know what the mistake actually is. You just know Didn't work. So that requires trying things again and again and again and through that process learning how to not take it personally. Which if you, you know, if you had large part, align your identity, you know, the who you are with, what you do.
If you are purpose-driven, then you really can't extricate yourself from this stuff, it will be personal to a certain extent and I don't think that's bad. Just a piece of advice that I have learned in that will may be helpful for other people who are taking things personally, or If you're dealing with criticism in general, you are not a mind
reader. What I mean by this is I hosted a town hall in Minnesota Minneapolis and I thought it went horribly horribly because to me sort of success is the energy in the room, there was no energy in the room. Nobody laughed. Nobody said anything. I mean, that's the whole point of a town hall, right? Is that like, we all have to stand up here. So I leave this town hall. And I think, man, not only did this go poorly. I suck at this, and maybe I shouldn't even be running ladies.
Get paid the community deserves better. Like I bloomed this out. I could task revised it. The next morning I wake up with my receive an email from somebody. I don't know saying wow, that was life-changing for me. Thank you so much. So now I'm pissed because I'm like, did I just spent all this in her? I almost quit. Ladies get paid. What happened? And I talked to this woman, another woman there who I knew, and she said, oh Claire, its cultural like what do you think?
Cultural is America? She does it's Midwestern. Nice is what she called it people. I hear they were afraid by speaking up that they would be a burden or annoying or taking the mic from somebody else. I was like, oh, oh so this wasn't a reflection on how much they liked it? No, not at all, it's our culture. Wow, that was game-changing for me because every time I go into a situation where I'm making assumptions about how I think other people are receiving me,
receiving and perceiving. I'm probably wrong and just nobody cares as much about you as you think you do. I think about themselves as it turns out even the most influential leaders doubt themselves. After the break Claire shares, how she's turned that self-doubt into a unique strength. Plus the biggest challenges she faces in her own career, the people that have helped her get to where she is now, and what's changed about the anger that fueled her to start. Ladies, get paid in the first
place. Hi Claire. Hi, thanks for coming on the avocado show. Thanks for having me. My name is, Shawna Gregory I am the chief program officer women who code and I'm really excited today to chat with our guest. Claire wasserman's, welcome to sit down. I'm DJ sex with Claire wasman here with us today. I am incredibly Beyond excited to welcome our next guest on to the show, Claire Wasserman.
Claire is, I'm just delighted to have her Claire Wasserman, who is back by popular demand before the break. She mentioned that in spite of all of her achievements, she still her own biggest critic, but instead of trying to hide her Cause she Embraces them having successfully navigated a pandemic, a lawsuit, and all the challenges that come along with
building a business. Claire is now a highly sought-after educator that's shared her expertise, with organizations, like NASA, the United Nations, Harvard, Business School, and many, many more. I've done a lot of reflecting, but also getting perspective from others. And they always say, you know, what makes me, I think special and maybe different is. I'm just right there. Fuck. I'm with you. Like I'm like me too, buddy.
I struggle with money. Like, let me tell you about my imposter syndrome as I, you know, I'm very much like a work in progress, so I think people appreciate that and it's catharsis for me. So thank you all for being part of my therapy session right now. And I transferred that to like, okay, so what makes me but the connect to others is by being, you know, transparent with my own struggles. So the email that I get after every town hall every event you
know, reading the book. I thought I was the only one, but now I realize I'm not, because I've seen myself in another. Have you found any exercise? That might, you know, help somebody regain their sense of personal power? And therefore ask for that, raise or like, reframe something in a way that helps them articulate. Something they couldn't before. Well I always say you don't talk about therapy.
Like this. Always comes down to how you just like feel about yourself and how in tune you are with yourself because there could be somebody who's like I'm going for this raise. I'm working my ass. Ass off, but it's not working. And sometimes it's maybe you're not the right job. Like you're not in the right company, you're not in the right role. Like we need to be rethinking like you're not alive, like you haven't come alive and what you do.
So there's a reason you're not shining or being recognized. That means going back to the drawing board and perhaps pivoting. I think, again, the through line here to moving up in your career and at your company, it's relationships. So, knowing that you're not working in a silo, like, who else is aware of the work that you're doing. They advocating on your behalf because oftentimes it's the rooms are not invited into where decisions get made, so these things have to happen in tandem.
You don't can't just put your head down and work hard and expect to be rewarded. It's like you have to be lobbying for yourself, you know, in a group dynamic to and Claire said that as a result of the pandemic, now is actually the perfect time to advocate for yourself and the changes. You want to see at your company especially those that disproportionately affect women. Companies are rethinking their policies, they're Paid Family, Leave policies.
Notice I'm saying family and not maternity, right? The jewel, you really have to go to bat to for yourself. And there was a fear that you'd be looked at as like an exception or selfish. Right? Well, we don't quote do that here but now companies are rethinking it from a cultural perspective, understanding that it's expensive to lose people and people leave because they're not growing. And so, how do you keep somebody engaged and happy at your Company.
It means investing in them which oftentimes turns into like getting them a video subscription to ladies get paid right or ever be committed. Speak, you know, all that good stuff. So I'm feeling actually pretty excited about this. I just want to say for everybody listening, if there is a change that you want to see at your company, now is absolutely the time to go to bat for it because they are unsure, they're like I don't know the answer to this.
They're all trying to figure themselves out. They will be grateful to you for coming with suggestions and solutions. And you just need to really think through the financial implications of your ask and by that, I mean just even like the time that it takes to do it and
the resources and have other. People also come in and Advocate with you, and also find what your competitor companies are doing and if they're doing anything organizationally or culturally or whatever that you think, is great. Well, in order for your company to stay competitive for talent, tell them about what that other companies doing and that might
kick their butt a little bit. To make positive James pushing for change at your company, may seem challenging but pushing yourself to change can feel almost impossible compared to when she first launched ladies. Get paid Claire's day-to-day life and work style are completely different for better. And for worse I hustled a lot more but to the point of burnout you know I'd be like 5:30 in the morning.
I was reading those books around like you know all these CEOs, they get up so early and I all I did was work and work and work and I Don't do that now. And you know, I'm trying to balance out now what is hustle look like so struggling with that? Because I have a proclivity to procrastinate but it's interesting. I think that hustle was a thousand percent needed. I do II. Don't, I think everybody when they start their careers, they start their companies.
Yes, you need to like, Blood, Sweat, and Tears. It. We also need to know when that's not sustainable and how to transition into a new way of operating. Now, I'm like, I just took it out. I just woke up. Yeah I've learned how to just not care, I think that comes with age. Also we're at a certain point you know shut my laptop at 6 p.m. and I'm like peace out fuckers. Like I just don't have the emotional bandwidth to care about this about this issue.
I'm just gonna watch trashy TV. I also you know moved to California, gotten to marijuana. Wish I'd known you then, Neil much Chiller purpose. And let me tell you, I'm a much happier. Yeah, I know I'm just like let's let's get Let's turn off the laptop and I'm just going to have a good time. What does younger hustle Claire have to? Does that Claire exist anymore? How is that Claire grappling with this current day? Claire, I'm trying to figure it out.
I've gone too far to the other side so it's like I can sometimes do things in extreme so I was like extreme Hustle but like never learned how to work in a sustainable way. Then I went into the like after my book I did like basically a full year of just burn out and it was fantastic. It and it was just, I feel like I was waking up in the morning and sort of waiting for the day to be over.
I know that sounds really like sad and depressing but you know, a it was all of us, it's been more than a year since my book was feeling like I have to get back on the horse. So I'm trying to figure out what's the balance and I hired an accountability coach because I realized I haven't had a boss and a long time and that's great, but also we could all use a boss. I think we can always use how somebody who's given us. Back on ourselves and holding us
to task. And so I realized I needed to hire somebody to do that. So I've invested in, Kita Williams, she goes by the name of success bully and that's been going well over the last, you know, month and a half. So I'm still a work in progress but I realized I needed help. As we all do, we all need perspective. The way that I internalized what you just said it's who's in your orbit. Its who's in your constellation that you can rely on. That can push you that can
challenge you. That can keep hold you accountable. Or keeps me in check all the time. And I'm curious when you're thinking about people that are supporting and helping you, who can you give thanks to for any of these things that you've spoken about Aaron Rasmussen is an has been wonderful and beautiful mentor of mine. He is the co-founder of masterclass. He started a company called outlier really encourage people check that out.
It's like an alternative option of Education of accredited University for like fraction of Cost, he's an inventor, he's a screenwriter like way, just a wonderful and just an amazing person really interesting guy. He has been here from the beginning of the ladies, get paid Journey when it was just an idea. And I remember emailing him after I wrote the essay and it went a little viral, and I was like I think there's something here even though like it was just again, like energy. Right.
And I talk things out with them and he's like, yeah, you do something here. Susan line, who is the CEO and founder of Bill. My girl Ventures has had an incredible career. She greenlit Desperate Housewives and lost when she worked at ABC entertainment. I've been the CEO of Martha Stewart Company, Gilt, groupe. Now, she's this venture capitalist and she has been there from the beginning. Saying, yes, there is something like you got this. You got this. So, this is how we should all be act.
You can impact somebody's life. So much by doing so, little just saying, you got this and those people have consistently been there for me. The years and I'm incredibly grateful to both of them and a number of others, it seems like a lot of these connections, these really powerful kind of either mentors are guiding lights. Are people that you just either, what reached out, cold or how
did these connections happen? Did you relationships have been the key to everything any job that I've ever had, in my life did not come from a cold application. It came from a relationship came from an introduction. And the people that I've met either were sort of randomly in my Orbit, whether it was an old boss of mine actually met my stepmother on a Lane in ladies, get paid the book. I will chapter on networking if you had to pick one chapter to
read that, absolutely. Is it because networking exists and should exist within your company as well. So it's the building relationships. The people you also work with as well as new people that you want to meet. But I do want to say, I have a very awkward actually at events. This is literally why I have become like a producer host of events because it gives me a purpose. Like I know what I'm doing there. And so I've been at a wedding. I swear, I'm too nervous to go up to people.
I get like, really sweaty, like, I'm like super uncomfortable, I guess. Then you start hosting. I'm probably not what a lot of people think that I could actually huge introvert. I was at an event with my partner Ashley. And you know, there was this woman there, Beth Comstock, she'd been the former Vice chair of innovation at GE and Ashley like we need introduce ourselves. I'm like, I couldn't do it. I was like there was a line of people waiting to meet her.
I'm like I was I could not do it. Couldn't do it. I was like, I'm gonna stay by the wine and the cheese. Always a good place to be. This is pre-pandemic. Obviously. After he's like, screw you. I'm going, she goes, and I'm watching the very animated, like, okay, so it's going well, finish speaking. Ashley's like, I gotta tell you all about this so we leave and she says, guess what she knew us. She knew all about ladies, get paid and not only did she know us?
She had found the person who art directed our website, our logo, and she hired them What? Wow, I was like, oh my God, this is crazy. And then I was like, I'm getting coffee with her next week and she did and then she had to go Ashley. Yeah. And she's become a mentor. You know, since then has made some introductions that have made us money, brand Partnerships just a wonderful person.
So now I go up to people and the way that I do it the way because I'm still very nervous, but I kept kick my butt because I think you know, what would actually do. And also I have to report back to her. And you know what? I Was still awkward. That's okay. Like you're building a muscle here but at, you know, but then these beautiful relationships have happened life changing relationships.
I mean, I kind of is connected to this idea of what fuels you but like, what is, what is your North Star? You're driving for a central motivator. Does it still feel the same thing that it was? Is that fire still coming from the same place of anger and frustration? Or is there something different now? No, I don't have the anger anymore. Mostly because I'm tired, there's just so much hair. All stuff happening in the world, that I can't feel my feelings around it.
I've had to learn what place that that has. I mean, it's always connecting to like my why you know why I'm doing this, who I'm doing this for, you know, Imagining the person that I'm speaking to. So, even in writing the book, there's actually some good advice for anybody who's suffering from any kind of like impostor syndrome or feeling a lot of pressure to perform. I used to think about, am I going to get on a New York Times bestseller. List is my editor going to be happy.
Like am I gonna sell a lot of copies and So I would spin my wheels freaking out about that largely because I have no control over that. Like, literally, I could do my best and I could get cancelled, right. So it's like that was not helping Focus. So what I ended up shifting toward is like really imagining a person like opening my book and reading it. All right? And so writing, it sort of making it smaller in that way, breaking it down, making it
personal was very helpful. And then the other thing that I shifted to is also making it about me. It's not about the wage. Gap is not about the audience, actually, a lot of times it's what am I learning? Can I find joy in what I'm doing? Can I challenge myself? It's about the things that you have, maybe more agency over because then you can sort of guarantee success. If you don't see yourself gaining momentum, you're just going to lose it.
So that's sort of part of the issue of, you know, having the fire to close the wage Gap. It's just not going to happen. Like that's like our joke is we have a business that exists to try to put ourselves out of business. So we're not going to close these gaps. And so even though that is the Starting Fire, it's not healthy to constantly stay focused on something that's just never going to happen. So it's like, okay, what can I
do that? I can see that momentum happening and that is things like finishing, a chapter of my book and being proud of myself and like learning how to get over writer's block, and, you know, Finding joy in that. So, my y has gotten smaller. I love that this is leaving. This is in a place of optimism. I'm curious given where you are now? What have you? I learned recently, that's left you looking up. I am really optimistic about women getting way, more
aggressive with investing they. We've seen that all through the pandemic GameStop now, crypto and NF. T is like there is money to be made. People are getting rich, they're not women, it's really interesting. It's like, when I started ladies, get paid, I've been very driven by long time. Stats right again, systemic in French, but we're watching now. Statistics happening real time, we're watching the Fact, that 15% of Bitcoin Traders are women, okay, so we're going holy
shit. We got to make a difference now, like there is an urgency to this, that's really exciting. And so we're seeing way more women ready to invest their money and that's a fabulous, you know, again, you know, always invest with caution, don't invest things, you know, you can't afford to lose except your ex cetera but that's the energy I'm seeing. So we're doing a lot more stuff.
Ladies get crypto, you're going to see more things coming out from us. So I'm super jazzed and I'm learning just long with the Rest of them as we bring this to a close along, the train of thought of models and a long train of thought of even, even looking outside, this nation, if there are any countries or municipalities or anything, anyone that you've seen that, you are looking up to that.
You think is doing it, right? It's rough Cuts Like You can look at countries like New Zealand and, you know, Scandinavian countries and like they have great policies but they're also just different countries, you know, than ours like were We're a bunch of little countries put together and and with radically different call, you do go back like the Minnesota culture. Say so Mommy's little skeptical of like lets you know, making one's 1 comparisons.
That being said, we're obviously way down the totem pole when it comes to things like paid family, leave so pretty much. Everybody else is doing it. Better than I still have to find that space. That means we can be that person. Yeah, right now know that you, you know, you Cobble together, little things from one companies doing this. Okay, cool. I'm going to take because it's not a one-size-fits-all for a
company for a person for a tree. So you take elements of what will work for you in your context. That's, that's the key so rapid-fire round. You've got three to five seconds to come up with the first word that comes to your brain. I think this is appropriate, favorites book. I really like an acronym. I allowed to say a Russian for anybody that you want. Okay? Favorite movie. Oh my gosh. Okay. I love rom-com. So we're just going to go with My Best Friend's Wedding. Favorite foreign word.
Oh gosh, muff, do not so that this isn't a trick. Murph is the word fam in French but backwards and it is a it is a certain kind of it's called Viva La. It's a slang word in French. So there you go. I'm a kid, I lived in France. And for a little bit, I'm obsessed with the with slang fruit. Apple. Yeah, yeah. Pink lady Z. Let's go back to the words. Let's see what you come up with favorite curse word. It was awesome. Like fugazi, I don't know.
Now, time for the the either or so Android or iPhone. I found mountains are Beach mountains, GIF or GIF, GIF East Coast or West Coast. It's got to be West Coast. Now, maybe that's moved here, so pancakes or waffles. Waffles texture, the texture, last one, chocolate, or vanilla chocolate with vanilla. Can I ask why you bit your tongue there? Why you held you like? Okay, so I'm a big sweet person like that is my like I'm Very, very healthy but only because I'm very, very sweet tooth.
So, like vanilla base with, like, chocolate, like chunks in it. I'm like big on the texture. Did you give him a just like, straight chocolate or like chocolate ice cream? I don't like it. But if you don't got the chocolate chunks in there, then you know, it's just like why even try? Like it's trash. I don't know. That was the hardest question. I got all day. So thank you for helping me. I really like to thank, I'm loving it. That was the most difficult
question of the whole. The whole interview, Howard Stern, your Inspirations. Well that's easy. Chocolate and vanilla. Hamish know the movie. I feel terrible. I could I started my career in a minute film producing. This is so like I there's just I guess I just smoked too much weed. I don't know. Definitely. Okay went away. Good answers but now so thank you so much if people want to find you learn more about what you're doing both Claire, Wasserman, And ladies, get paid.
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