Top of the Bottoms

[steph]: Oh my God, [steph]: Forgot about that one [roscoe]: It's the best part. It's [steph]: Man. [roscoe]: like it's totally unexpected. I love what. It's just hard. left her at the end. Oh my God, what a great video. Welcome [roscoe]: back. At least late. I mean as to Rosco, Joined by stuff, the Fatalist, and Bener, the hockey historian, as we once used [roscoe]: to introduce you, I think that was the first thing we ever brought you on. as was beer, the hockey historian, So welcome.

[roscoe]: How's it going? [steph]: S been [biehner]: It's going [steph]: so long. [roscoe]: I just felt like reminising. You know, it's sorry. [steph]: Yeah, [roscoe]: I should also add, I just came back from Boston pizza. I had a couple of fish balls. I watched some of the game there.

[roscoe]: I thought this is the thing we were talking about this before we came on. I don't know how, thinking back when my dad [roscoe]: used to go to the bar to watch all these games that he actually watched it, I guess because he was going alone like [roscoe]: we didn't have cable when I was growing up, because I didn't have it on our street until I was like in grade five,

[roscoe]: so we didn't have like leaves, T, V and stuff, So some of these games were hard to Watch like now when I have to stream [roscoe]: them. so my dad go to this bar down the street to watch them, and now in my twenties I'm like, How the hell do you pay [roscoe]: attention to the game like I don't know how you can watch everything from the bar, but here we are, so I'm going [roscoe]: to [steph]: You [roscoe]: handle a [steph]: sit [roscoe]: lot of that [steph]: alone,

[roscoe]: off to you sitting alone helps. I guess [steph]: you don't talk to anyone and you just stare at the T. V and just glance at the bartender every time you need to refill. [steph]: And the way she goes, I know when I'm in a bar, there's no freaking way when you get talking, it's nearly impossible. [roscoe]: When I couldn't believe, I'm not going to say which Boston Piz. I went to M, but I have found since looking up, this

[roscoe]: is my second time going there. It does not have great reviews. I normally like Boston pizza from my home town of Coburg, [roscoe]: showed out the Boston piz. There is great. This one Not so much. The first time we went, we got sat. I went with [roscoe]: my girl friend. We got sat in a corner and it was pretty late. Granted, but as soon as we sat down, it was like a weird

[roscoe]: section of the bar. I was Ike. They're going to forget about is guaranteed forty five minutes. Finally, the hostess [roscoe]: that saw us when we first came in like noticed us in the back corner was like I had this look of like, Oh shit, and [roscoe]: then immediately goes to the bar and somebody comes over was like I I'm so sorry, so it wasn't great and this time

[roscoe]: the thing that I noticed all of their T vs are busted like it looks like somebody has either thrown a drink at each [roscoe]: one of them or they dropped Them on the way in, or they just bought discount T vs in order to get twelve of them to fill

[roscoe]: the fire side, because one of them had such distorted light and beer. I know you just muted. I'll let you get to the [roscoe]: sports Net broadcast In a second, I thought it was just the T vs on that, but [steph]: M. [roscoe]: there was so much distortion to the color ad there as like dark rings and stuff like I don't know how you call yourself [roscoe]: a sports bar. and like there's a whole third of the ice that was just dark like blacked out because their T vs are

[roscoe]: broken. Like This is a sad Boston piece. A living. Please get your ship together. Send me [steph]: M. [roscoe]: a dam, and I'll tell you which location it is [steph]: Oh, [biehner]: It is. It is also a sports bar in a town that has the Senators as their home team. [roscoe]: Fun. Fact, the fishbowl I was drinking on it was called the senator. I felt a little awkward ordering it, but it did [roscoe]: sound very good. [biehner]: Sacrilege.

[roscoe]: I know I know, but the thisends weren't playing tonight and be, I guess I'm alphabetically listening to things because [roscoe]: I'm drunk and see it tasted good. [steph]: Well, the only thing that's good at Boston pizza is probably the alcohol, and I don't even think that's a real sports bar. [steph]: Honestly, [roscoe]: Okay. [steph]: but [roscoe]: Let me just [steph]: come on, [roscoe]: let me just defend B. P for a hot sec. The pizza [steph]: Yeah,

[roscoe]: is pretty good. I got to say the piz, the cactus cup, potatoes that dip, that spicy dip, [biehner]: The tie cut. The tie bites are amazing, [roscoe]: the tie, chicken bites, but so good. [steph]: Maybe when I was a teen ager, now that I'm a full realized adult that chain food is nice to me.

[roscoe]: It's not the best. but if I'm going home to Coburg, where there are no good sports bars and like everything, [steph]: Fine [roscoe]: like the average age, there is senior, so there's no, not much in terms of good restaurants because nobody has taste [roscoe]: buds anymore, So B P is pretty much the only good thing in town. That's the one exception. so [steph]: Fair,

[roscoe]: I thought I d be decent here, but honestly it's pretty bad like the chicken was under. not under cook. That it was like [roscoe]: an edible, but at the point that it was supposed to be crisp and it wasn't fries were cold. Not good. Gonna find [roscoe]: somewhere new. I went with the gam, My little new auto, a leaf gang that we've put together of work people, [steph]: Nice.

[roscoe]: so Southey couldn't make it tonight, but hopefully next time, so yea it was fun, but [steph]: Yeah, [roscoe]: leaves [steph]: wow, [roscoe]: me. Lee had a good time. I had a good time. B. P was just a little Me, and with that start the show. [roscoe]: Thank you, Mike Ross for that intro. If you are newer here, that is, in fact, Mike Ross. thank you beer for hooking

[roscoe]: us up with that. It's been a while since we've talked about this, but I think it's worth mentioning. we've got a lot [roscoe]: of new listeners to the show. So the arena announce, or Mike Ross was nice enough to record that for us, thanks to [roscoe]: a donation from beer, so so thank you for that

[steph]: Fun fact, Mike Ross's three hundredth game he called was on was last game. not tonight, but on Saturday night. So [steph]: kudos to him, He dodd for a long time now and now, when I'm inside the Scotia Bank arena, it's not the same unless you [steph]: hear Mike Ross's voice. [roscoe]: Congrats, [steph]: O [roscoe]: Mike. [steph]: pool.

[roscoe]: It's funny because I grew up hearing Andy Frost as [biehner]: Andy [roscoe]: the [biehner]: Frost, [roscoe]: of Mongan lumber [steph]: Yeah, [roscoe]: king of the woods, but it was not that I. It's always weird changing, you know, when you're used to somebody for so [roscoe]: long, but Mike has just been so fantastic that it's like it's just another great era. You know. It's handing the [roscoe]: torch off. It's great. I love Mike. and it's been a fun time, But real quick [steph]: No,

[roscoe]: step. You sent me a video. We got to show this because what better way to start the game than this? [roscoe]: Oh bones. [steph]: Scro school. [roscoe]: All right, So Joe Ballin, Bones, calling that one, Thank you step for sending me that. I miss hearing Joe Belan do these [roscoe]: games. Bene on that. Do you want to start before we get to do it? Do you want to start with the sports night weirdness?

[biehner]: Unless it's just me, which is very, very possible. Um, For some strange reason, every time sports Net is showing [biehner]: the game something with, I don't. you're a video, guys like Deal in the movies, and that you know now the terminology [biehner]: better than me. I don't know if the saturation is off or contrast or whatever. No matter what I do to the settings

[biehner]: on my T. v. that ice is so goddamn bright it makes the leaf jerseys almost black. and it almost hurts Eyes to watch [biehner]: it like when they zoom in, everything looks normal and then everything else. My my son playing video games. Me watching [biehner]: movies with the wife. Everything else is normal. It's just the overhead play by play view on sports Net. It's absolutely [biehner]: ridiculous.

[roscoe]: Yeah, it's not the first time I've noticed that I remember there was something off with the white balance in another broadcast [roscoe]: that Sports Net did, Where it. Just it seems like it's you're right. It's somewhere between contrast and saturation, [roscoe]: but like it's the. the. The fact that it's not differentiating enough between. like the white of the Chicago jerseys, the white

[roscoe]: of the ice, the white of the boards. Like it's It's reading. It all is the same tone and just blowing it out Because [roscoe]: it can't. It thinks that there's a bunch of things competing for the same space, so it's like Oh, we'll just brighten. this. [biehner]: I bet you any money. it's to do with the fraging board ads. [roscoe]: It could be because they have to adjust to be able. So here's a fun little thing that I learned from filming Christmas

[roscoe]: movies. Um, I don't know if you've ever noticed, but sometimes when you hold your camera up to light that you'll see [roscoe]: it flickering through the light, Because the uh, the frame rate that the camera is shooting at is different than the

[roscoe]: frame rate of the hurts of the light. So there's certain Christmas lights that we can't use because they don't Up properly [roscoe]: on camera, like the flicker, even though to your eye they're not, so they might have to adjust the frame rate that [roscoe]: they're shooting to be able to not screw it, The board adds, And that might be affecting how other things are showing [roscoe]: up. I could be completely wrong. I'm not a camera person, though I do work in film, but it could be.

[steph]: Yeah, I don't know. I honestly thought [roscoe]: Oh [steph]: I just had sensitive eyeballs because I had laser surgery, so everything is super bright to me sometimes, but I don't know [steph]: these ads and everything in between just makes it so hard to watch. And then the cringe wore the panel after. Like [steph]: tonight was exceptionally bad. I don't know why. Like some nights it doesn't bother me, but tonight I just saw a bunch

[steph]: of complaints on Twit As well in videos of glitching and like, How do you make it enjoyable? Especially if your teams [steph]: losing at least leaves one. damn. [roscoe]: Yeah, that's That's very strange, but on to better things leaves opening the scoring nine seconds and William Neelander [roscoe]: with a beauty right off the opening. Face off this. I was looking at the men you looked up, And this is how I knew

[roscoe]: the game was started. Was seeing the play of this goal, which I sure, I wasn't the only one beautiful one, and it wasn't [roscoe]: a long lived lead. though, so I'm gonna have you guys. I'm going to defer to you guys a lot [biehner]: Oh, [roscoe]: for this because like I said, I couldn't hear or see a ton of the game. Though I watch Most of it. What the hell happened? [roscoe]: There was a pass that should not have been made. Was that yarn croke? Uh,

[steph]: Yeah, it looked good in the beginning. I mean, the puck was being flipped to center ice and your croak was going for [steph]: the puck, And then Um makes a blind pass to Liligran. That's near Sammy, and does not see Laferdy coming in whatsoever, [steph]: Swoops in. And course there was just a really bad playmiss.

[biehner]: The bad part about that is you can't even give him the benefit of the doubt and say it was a blind pass. He [steph]: M. [biehner]: legitimately was looking at Liligran and still sucked it up. [roscoe]: And I think it just comes down to as as many goals as you can score. These are the things that. Yeah, you can out score [roscoe]: this against Chicago. but these are the things that you got to clean up as we're getting to the end of the season

[roscoe]: here. let's let's tighten up things that are really really amateur like these in front of your net. Passes like guys. [roscoe]: Let's let's shape up for the play off. Now you've got a. This is the thing that worries me about these easy games for [roscoe]: the leaf's end of the season is Yes, They had a tough first half at first, three quarters, or two thirds, Whatever

[roscoe]: you want to call it, and they came out with more points than you would expect them to. I don't like that they have an [roscoe]: easy stretch before the play offs, because the leaves tend to get a little [biehner]: Yeah, [roscoe]: comfy against as teams, so unless they can prove that they're going to bring it every night, which I mean tonight they [roscoe]: did, But there's these little mistakes that they got to clean up before we get out there. Because you can't do that

[roscoe]: against Tampa. You're gonna lose the entire game. Like you. That's something that you can't get back as easy as you [roscoe]: can hear, Where you can scour Another four goals. Because [biehner]: They don't [roscoe]: Peter [biehner]: typically [roscoe]: Merazi's [biehner]: do that against [roscoe]: in [biehner]: the [roscoe]: it. [biehner]: good teams. Though [roscoe]: That's why I worry that they're playing a bunch of bad teams before they go to the playoffs Here.

[steph]: Yeah, and you know, after all star break kind of predicted, leaves lose a couple. So gather all the points before heading [steph]: into break. and by week, but hey, we got the two points against Columbus, lost to An in the second half of the home at [steph]: home. Tonight got the two points. I was more worried, you know, finding out that Morazic is, you know, Nino nine, thirteen

[steph]: against Toronto Two O, eight goals against average, even though he's a two and eight. It, just Like you said Johnny. It [steph]: gives you those P. t, s. D moments. and um, yeah, obviously, there's a couple of leaf killers on the team. some guys who've [steph]: been traded in such, but tonight wasn't I don't know the desert. The deserve O are the deserved to winnow meter. Oh [steph]: my God, [roscoe]: Mouthful, [steph]: nine point seven percent for Chicago.

[roscoe]: O. I know Marty was tweeting out before. Like what does a twenty dollar bet get me on Chicago winning eight. Nothing, [roscoe]: and I think the best that you found was seven. Nothing. And what did that return? Like thirty, nine hundred and eighty [roscoe]: dollars or something? [steph]: It was three grand, So yeah, you put down twenty books and you get twenty nine eighty [roscoe]: Oh [steph]: back.

[roscoe]: twenty nine. It? Yeah, that's who. I mean, it's a bad bet. But [steph]: Yeah, [biehner]: I decided to try the odds boost tonight for Matthews and didn't quite get it. [roscoe]: What did you miss by one shot? Oh [steph]: Oh, [roscoe]: buddy, that sucks [biehner]: Yeah, odds, Bush was two points and four shots. [roscoe]: You like [steph]: No. [roscoe]: three. That's crazy. He's known for like six. That's that stocks man. I'm sorry.

[biehner]: That's all good. I'm still too chicken chip to place any big bet, so I didn't place too much [roscoe]: M. [biehner]: on it, [roscoe]: hm, [steph]: Another thing to note to was that you know Chicago played last night and they got shut out for nothing against Montreal, [steph]: so obviously facing Toronto, they're going to be hyped up. Everyone loves to play the leaves, and it was only I found

[steph]: when leaves made those silly mistakes that Chicago was able to capitalize. I mean yarncrogyou know, letting that Laferte [steph]: goal go ahead, but the rest like even in the second period, the cure of goal like it just happened so quick, And the leaf

[steph]: is pretty much dominated for the rest of the game. Um, big difference is tonight, cur foot and yarn croak, swapping [steph]: positions between the or the second and third line, Justin Hall, being a healthy scratch for the first time this season [steph]: being is so happy. [roscoe]: Uh, uh, [steph]: Yeah, Go is the only other guy on the team that has played in all leaf games this season. Hall was the other [roscoe]: Defense [steph]: guy. [roscoe]: men wise, [steph]: Es.

[biehner]: Defense man. I was going to say Marner has, [steph]: Yes, defender wise, and yeah, it's just I don't know. Do we see his hall going by by or what? It's just been on my [steph]: mind because I have this mental battle of He's going to be a leaf forever. The management loves him, but Uh [biehner]: Look at [steph]: scratched. [biehner]: the six defense men that were on the ice tonight and look at the pairs they were in any one of those pairs I am comfortable

[biehner]: with. in any situation, Riley, Brodie, defensive and sure, offensive and sure go Lily anywhere on the ice. At any [biehner]: point in time, Sandman and Timmons, they got experience in junior together and they've showed that they can play together [biehner]: at this level too, And Timmons has been incredible since he came in. [roscoe]: Yeah, the only thing that I keep going back through as much as we've talked about Justin Hall is the contract when

[roscoe]: he's playing well, looks good. It's when he plays bad that it doesn't matter if we're paying him league men or eight [roscoe]: million a year. It's just you can't have that happen on the ice. So it's it's tough, because for I want to say, seventy

[roscoe]: five percent of the time for two million dollars. it's a really good deal and I think I struggle between. Do you keep [roscoe]: it For that and just bent him every now and then to get into his head, because last season, those few games that [roscoe]: they scratched him, he came back and was great, and I'm hoping that the same thing happens here. The other side of [roscoe]: it is, they could be protecting him to make sure he doesn't get injured before trading him. So he has the upside,

[roscoe]: Because how, because of how great his contract is and he's a right hand of defense man, he can play second pair. I [roscoe]: want to say, I would now put him on the first bar anywhere. He's second third pair defense man for two million marks. [biehner]: I thought you were going to say he can play seconds instead of he can play minutes. [steph]: No. [roscoe]: No, but [biehner]: Yeah,

[roscoe]: it's I think at two million bucks you could get value for him. Still, I think people like there's still enough of an [roscoe]: argument out there like people will still defend him, And I think that means that there's enough g Ms that still see [roscoe]: interest in him to like. I think that's enough to extrapolate. I know it's silly to say that because people on twit or still

[roscoe]: defend him that teams are still interested, but I don't know if anybody has an argument for it. It's not crazy to think [roscoe]: that there is still an argument for him being good and useful, so I think at two million bucks if somebody wants them, [roscoe]: Because I agree with being all [biehner]: Absolutely, [roscoe]: those. All those pairs. Make sense. I know Chris early and I got into this a little bit about. you know, Moving Hall

[roscoe]: in a deal for chicken, but you lose the depth, but I, I don't see how like even the depth. After that you've got Um, [roscoe]: Ben, and met whatever the hell is going on with him. I think he might still be hurt, but we have'treally heard much [roscoe]: about him And who else is down there Strum like. I mean, Yeah, it [steph]: Yeah, [roscoe]: falls off pretty quick, but at least like Georgie Bend is a good seventh defense men I have going into the playoffs.

[steph]: Speaking [biehner]: Absolutely. [steph]: of San Den, I saw Chris Hurley tweet today I shout out, Chris. [biehner]: Yeah. [steph]: I really appreciate your tweet. By the way they [roscoe]: Oh, [steph]: sent me [roscoe]: and by the way, [steph]: to [roscoe]: no [steph]: day. [roscoe]: hate [steph]: Oh [roscoe]: at all, [steph]: my [roscoe]: Chris [steph]: god, [roscoe]: all love.

[steph]: yeah, no, he said, If the opportunity pretty much was there for chickering for Sanden, one for one, he would personally [steph]: upgrade his plane ticket to first class. If that was on the table, What do you guys think, one for one, Sanden chicken? [roscoe]: Oh my [steph]: You [roscoe]: God, [steph]: take that you take that all day long. This Sanden bias. I don't know. [roscoe]: I don't really even want to answer it, because I don't think it's a plausible offer,

[biehner]: It's not like that wouldn't even get accepted in super easy mode and then L. twenty three. Um, but it's [steph]: Oh man, [biehner]: for the leaf side. Yeah, you'd be stupid not to take it as much as I love sand man. you would be. Um. [steph]: Yeah, [biehner]: I really don't want to see him move, because I do think there's a lot of upside to him. But if you had to pick one of [biehner]: Sandman or Lily to move, it would hundred percent be sand man.

[roscoe]: So I think the conversation that I had with Chris started on Packaging Hall for chicken, though, so I mean, like in the [roscoe]: event that you're bringing chicken in, that's bumping somebody like Timmons or whoever, like out as the seventh and [roscoe]: then Ben becomes your eighth. So like? Really the depth like I don't hate that at all. [biehner]: Not if you're packaging hall. they're basically swapping spots. one for one. [roscoe]: Fair. [steph]: Yeah,

[roscoe]: Yeah, you're right. Actually, [steph]: But Sanine is proving a good case to stays up being his offensive side. Especially tonight. I just want to see how many [roscoe]: Well, sorry, no [steph]: four. [roscoe]: being, because Hall was scratched tonight and if you're sending him out for checker and chick would chicken wouldn't

[roscoe]: be the scratch. it would be Timmons. So you're bumping Timmons out of the line up. So then Timmans [biehner]: You have [roscoe]: becomes [biehner]: a time. [roscoe]: your seventh and Ben becomes your eighth. [biehner]: Timmons was coming in and out all season anyways. Right since we've got him. [roscoe]: But that's what I mean is [steph]: Yeah, [roscoe]: you don't lose like right now. Like the If you are just sending Hall out. Yes, I don't love that. If you're bringing

[roscoe]: a defense man in, then like your depth gets better like there's no way that keeping hole makes your depth better. Sorry [roscoe]: stuff. that's just I had to [steph]: No worries, nor [roscoe]: defend [steph]: is [roscoe]: my point. [steph]: Sand and I love when a defender scores [roscoe]: Hell, yeah, [steph]: sanding tonight, fourth of the year, man, this face like tonight, the first three goals for the leaves, even though one

[steph]: got called back was right off the face off. They weren't fucking around, you know like it happened on that first shift. [steph]: J. T wins the face off. Sanden steps up on the flank and just takes the shot. He doesn't school around. It's right [steph]: off Murphy. Stick everyone who's advocating for Conermerfry to become a live here you go. Here's an apple for you. But because [steph]: that helped us out [roscoe]: Oh,

[steph]: tonight right through the five hole for Sanden, Beauty from Tavarsare, Sorry Sanden, I'm getting it all mixed up. now [steph]: there's so much going on tonight. Oh man, but Marazic completely fooled looking the opposite way. Nice, [roscoe]: Well, I mean it's okay. it was great. This is the thing that I struggled with against Chicago. Is any team that's trying [roscoe]: this hard to lose Like I just come back to the fact that we couldn't keep Maras as a back up goal on the contract

[roscoe]: that he was on. And they're like great. We'll have him as our starter. Thanks. I'm like it's so hard to take any of [roscoe]: this like great. You should score five goals against this ship team they're trying to lose. But yeah, anyway, [biehner]: The [roscoe]: I'm trying not to be negative. It's just it's if this wasn't the outcome, I'd be frustrated.

[biehner]: I know this isn't a ship on the Black Ox episode. But like, even if you're if you're looking at the team and thinking [biehner]: about doing a rebuild, why would you get rid of the Brinketan dock? [roscoe]: It doesn't make sense, other than they couldn't get cane and tapes to leave, so they just got rid of their toys and [roscoe]: said, Will you leave now? And that seems like a really, really, really short sighted way to rebuild, But that's the only

[roscoe]: logic I can pull from it is these guys would not wave and they're still not. They could have held on to those guys [roscoe]: and would still be in the same spot where they're like. We'll wait it out to the deadline. [biehner]: But the thing I don't get is why, Why worry about it like they're done after this year? Anyways? their contracts are [biehner]: up after this year. Play it out for another year.

[roscoe]: I think they want to try to get like. I mean they're rebuilding. They want to get something for it Is, [steph]: Patrick Kane spoke to the media about it Today Actually was mentioned. He was asked about First Kirby dog, And because [steph]: they played Montreal last night and he straight up said I'm not surprised he's doing so well. What is he? twenty? one, [steph]: twenty, two. He was probably rushed into some things, take time. He was rushed into the league and it's not the best

[steph]: for your development. Then he goes on to insinuate Dillenstrome. Brandon Hegel, Alex. To bring it, it didn't make sense to not [steph]: hold on to young talent in the state that the black Ox are in. Like it just sounded like he's completely done. But like [steph]: even the commentators were saying on the broadcast, Even we knew before tonight the ball is in Patrick Kane's court. He

[steph]: kind of missed his shot with the Rangers. At his asking price was too high. He has the hip injury, M thing that they're [steph]: worried about. But is he really being super picky Like? What is his price? I wonder, because it's all on him. He has

[steph]: the No move contract. They literally can't do anything without his approval [roscoe]: I think for him it's going to be about where he wants to go, and if he wants to help the Black Hawks out at all right [roscoe]: like he can try to choose something that gives them a bit of a chance in the future to get some sort of return for

[roscoe]: him, or he can just say Fuck you guys. You've mistreated all of us for too long. You are watching this rebuild. and like [roscoe]: you said, trading away all these guys that could be part of that, he can just say, Look, I'm gonna wait this out [roscoe]: and sign wherever I want to, or you're going to trade me here for what Ever they offer you. I don't care. They can [roscoe]: give you a fifth for me. I'm going to. you know whatever. L. A. [steph]: Here.

[steph]: But tonight I got to say I was super impressed with Alex Kerfoot playing on the second line. Um, his goal unfortunately [steph]: gets called off by a coaches challenge offside, but this pass by Marner, Oh my god, Kirfoot had no idea it was coming [steph]: his way. He was completely stunned and Marner is just putting on a gipsy doodle show and Irfoot's ready on the side.

[steph]: And he, just like Ohshitthi, scored like fit, Ten seconds apart from the latest goal, so lives are hyped up. not even ten [steph]: minutes into the first period. Fortunately gets called back, [roscoe]: Yeah, So [steph]: but down. [roscoe]: that was one that? I mean, we noticed it was three one and we're like Oh ship, like, Let's see this goal and then immediately [roscoe]: it goes to the coaches challenge. So how offside was this? Because it was again, you know, hard to tell.

[biehner]: The screen shot that they showed Cur Foot's blade was just leaving the offensive zone edge of the blue line, as the [biehner]: puck was starting to cross the neutral zone edge of the blue line. So real time it looked close enough. but once [biehner]: you saw that that still shot, there was no way, [steph]: No, [roscoe]: Okay [steph]: Yeah, it looked like a mile once you saw the pick and you're like okay there. but

[roscoe]: And that's fine. I'm all for Like. If it's if it's obvious in the Re play that's fine. I just I don't like when it's you [roscoe]: know coming down to, we're looking at frame by frame, Because then it's what are we doing here. So then Austin Matthews, [roscoe]: Oh my God, dude didn't miss a beat at all, right back to his disgusting self, throwing this one one time or back to [roscoe]: three one again, [biehner]: But he missed the net a couple of times.

[steph]: Yeah, [roscoe]: Sorry bear, [biehner]: Yeah, [steph]: Yeah, way to go for Timmons to keep the puck alive along the boards, And you know Sanden and Matthew is a little given [steph]: go and knee lander, if nee lander, wasn't circling this top point looking for Matthews, Matthews, literally wide open [steph]: and Ov spot [roscoe]: I was going to say [steph]: the [roscoe]: it's [steph]: number [roscoe]: an Ov [steph]: one [roscoe]: goal.

[steph]: spot, a sling shots that ship in man less than two minutes in four goals. One called back no penalties. All of these goals [steph]: happened at even Trent, So we were just pumping. We were going wild at this point Like this is like beginner mill on n.

[steph]: h. L. it seemed for the leaf, in a sense for poor marazik. Oh my God, [roscoe]: Yeah, I said early on like, even though that go goal got called back, it was going to be a rough night for him because [roscoe]: I mean offside or not, doesn't change that he let the goal in. [steph]: Shots, eighteen, fourteen for coronal to Nd the first period. Damn [roscoe]: Holy shit, did not get to see that. That's an awful lot of shots for Peter Mazeric over there.

[steph]: Pete [biehner]: There [steph]: Mazoric, [biehner]: was just a lot of everything going on in the first. [steph]: Yeah, [roscoe]: Okay and then a whole lot of nothing. in the third, I felt because I mean well, we were trying to tune in while we're [roscoe]: you know, eating and drinking away. It felt like the first two periods went really fast and the third period was like [roscoe]: dragging forever. such as [steph]: Yeah, [roscoe]: me,

[steph]: yeah, and I unfortunately missed that first goal. I didn't realize the period came back on so quickly about watching the [steph]: Re. play there. Um leaves just little mess up, But they had momentum going into the Chicago zone And then you know, Ne [steph]: Lander gets trapped in the neutral zone Along the boards the puck get gets loose. Mckabechips it to do my waves for Courshop, [steph]: for the perfect one time, Er, T up straight in forty seconds, Six seconds into the period.

[roscoe]: Assisted [steph]: Oh my God, [roscoe]: assisted by future Leafs Dome and Mccabe. [steph]: Exactly what I was thinking Like this is the show these people wanted to see. Here you go. bekaveuntil Me at work in

[steph]: Lafordi, In the first period. Nothing from Patrick Kane, though I heard just from seeing a little bit of Black Hawk's [steph]: twitter that tonight was one of the worst games he played this season to a lot of Black Hawks fans [roscoe]: Well, that's a shame, [biehner]: He had a little break away that I think [steph]: At [biehner]: he [steph]: the [biehner]: ended [steph]: end, [biehner]: up getting a end up getting a back hand off. but he didn't really have much else. other than that,

[roscoe]: So I hate to rush the game, but we have a lot to talk about before we get out of here. So to Vera's and Timmans, both [roscoe]: scoring to Vera's first twenty fourth Timmons, with a second of the season, Timbitts, baby, I love this guy [steph]: No, [biehner]: What a shot to Matthew's dropping it back in. Nice, one timer, going just just over the pad of mazeric.

[roscoe]: Petar Mazeric, [steph]: Yeah, J. T. five hundred career points on home ice, [roscoe]: Hell, [steph]: Uh, [roscoe]: yeah, buddy, [steph]: Wow, and also William Neelander hitting thirty goals First leave to hit thirty goals on the season [roscoe]: At a bar [steph]: known. Yeah, no one expected that Austin Matthews close twenty six. Now J. T at twenty four,

[roscoe]: Man, they're all doing and this is what's great though is like. Yes, it's nice when Matthews runs away with it, but [roscoe]: the fact that they're all contributing and it doesn't have to be him on the ice, especially this bit of time that he's [roscoe]: been out, so it's gonna be a fun play [biehner]: Oh, [roscoe]: off. [biehner]: but the leaves have no depth. It's all Matthews and Werner [roscoe]: Well, [steph]: M, [roscoe]: we'll get to that because honestly, [steph]: M.

[roscoe]: the bottom six is hit and miss. We'll say [steph]: Yeah, and Timmons takes an interference call and says I'm so sorry, everyone. I really shouldn't have done that and [steph]: big blast from the point scores, baby. this is what we want to see. I love that all day long, Timmons, Who else with [steph]: a big shot like trusted on power play to, why not take that shot at even strength when you have the opportunity, especially [steph]: fed by Matthews. Yes,

[roscoe]: Hell yeah, and this is worth pointing out. I think it was Katie on last Twitter who found this and somehow nobody noticed [roscoe]: this up until now, but with one more tonight, Mark, er Dano, is seven blocks away from the all time n chel record [roscoe]: that somehow stuck under everyone's noses until today. [steph]: Right [biehner]: With an ostrich, Because then they haven't always tracked blocks. [roscoe]: When did they start tracking that?

[biehner]: That's actually a very good question. I'm going to hazard a guess. it would be late nineties. I'm just trying to [biehner]: actually pull it up here now. [steph]: Being, Do you know who is leading the N. h, L blocks [biehner]: Like active R all the time. [steph]: All time? I guess since they started counting, [biehner]: Um, Well, the first ones that would come into my head would be what was his name for the stars? Was it Ludwig? [steph]: Nope,

[biehner]: Well, that's that's the first one that comes into my head. But he had a lot of games before they started tracking [biehner]: it. [steph]: Chris Russell, two thousand [biehner]: Oh yeah, [steph]: and forty four blocks and nine hundred and twelve games. played our gos [biehner]: So they [steph]: at two thousand and thirty six and a thousand and seventy eight, So not too many ahead. [roscoe]: Um, they haven't. [biehner]: That?

[roscoe]: They didn't start tracking them until two thousand, five, two thousand and six. [biehner]: I was [steph]: Okay, [biehner]: just going to say. They don't even list it as an official stat on N h, l. dot com. [roscoe]: Yeah, So it was after the lock. Are they started tracking it? It was because it wasn't really a thing before, because the

[roscoe]: obstruction of shots was so much easier, so people started blocking like it wasn't really. I don't think anybody would have [roscoe]: come close to these numbers in the old days anyway. [biehner]: Go watch some old Stars games with Ludwig. His shin pads looked like one of his shin pads would probably pass as [biehner]: a gole pad for today [roscoe]: Oh my god, [biehner]: because they were so wide.

[steph]: Wow, Wow, [roscoe]: Yeah, I noticed that like three of the top eight people are active players, so that kind of tells you they haven't been [roscoe]: tracking it that long. I think the other ones were Mark Edward Vilassic and Brent S Brook. [biehner]: I, [steph]: M. [biehner]: I could see that, [roscoe]: I think they were like [steph]: I'd have to [roscoe]: they were like four and seven or something like that. I remember anyway. So some things to talk about. Lots of things

[roscoe]: have been going on. Where should we even start here? [steph]: Questions. [roscoe]: questions? Let's start with questions. That's a great idea. [roscoe]: So [steph]: So yes, leaves win five. Two. Maybe [roscoe]: Okay, So this, [steph]: we only have a couple questions. [roscoe]: this one from Chris Hurley, Hurley sports bottom six of teams ahead of Toronto based on point percentage. Do we compete?

[roscoe]: So this was what I was alluding to before we've got the bottom six of Was this Tampa, New Jersey, Carolina, and Boston, [roscoe]: So we're goin to [steph]: Yeah, [roscoe]: compare these to the leaves and see how we Got you guys ready. [steph]: Yep, [roscoe]: Okay, so first up, we got Tampa, third line of Nick Paul, with Pat Maroon and Ross Colton, and then a fourth line

[roscoe]: of Pierre Edward Bell, Mar, Cory Perry and Ladislav Mesnakov, What do we think there? What do we? What do? we rate [roscoe]: them out of ten as a bottom six. [biehner]: Are we going like history and reputation, or are we going on how they're actually performing [roscoe]: How [biehner]: this [roscoe]: they [biehner]: year?

[roscoe]: will perform this year in the playoffs? What are you? What are you expecting? Tenant of ten? Obviously being like your [roscoe]: expectations of a third and fourth line, not like they're going to be super stars, But you know, performing as a fantastic, [roscoe]: shut down and secondary or tertiary scoring. [biehner]: Um, tamp. I'd probably put that about. I'd probably say seven or eight almost exclusively because of Brandon Haggle.

[biehner]: I really like that kid. I was really disappointed when the Leafs couldn't get him. [roscoe]: Well, Hegel's on the second line In this. Imagine [biehner]: Oh, [roscoe]: it, [biehner]: he wasn't [steph]: In the [biehner]: down [steph]: scenario [biehner]: on the third story. [roscoe]: Yeah, but I still would agree that I would give them an eight just because Nick Paul has been a leaf killer. Russ

[roscoe]: Colton has proven himself to be a great depth scoring option. You've got Cory Perry down there with the still effective [roscoe]: and pain in the ass veteran presence. You know, Bell Mar, kind of the same, and domesticov's dangerous down there. [roscoe]: I think it's It's a pretty good bottom six. [steph]: Their top six is Hegel, Point, Kuchrov, sorely stamcoskilorn.

[roscoe]: Yeah, they only want like Australia and color are good. I'm just I think that's where it's They've kind of got their [roscoe]: mids [steph]: Who's [roscoe]: there. [steph]: injured, Sir Nack. Oh no forwards. So [roscoe]: They've been petty [biehner]: Yeah, [roscoe]: lucky [biehner]: Sarelli [roscoe]: this year. [biehner]: just came back. [roscoe]: Stuff. what do you think [steph]: I, [roscoe]: of ten?

[steph]: I honestly give them eight point five. I like this bottom six. They have a touch of everything, [roscoe]: Right?

[steph]: Nemesticov, you know, coming from even Detroit, and being trusted as a top six winger. It didn't like it did work, but [steph]: I'm surprised that he went back to Tampa and then be Mar, and like Cory Perry, he's once Pon a time ago was very Great [steph]: player in this league, Right and Nick Paul, leaf killer Ross Colton, potential leaf killer, Pat Maroon already has a [steph]: handful of rings. [roscoe]: Yeah, No kidding.

[steph]: I don't know. It clicks for me. It's a good balance at it. It lets the boomer shut up and there's a little skill as [steph]: well. I think it works for this team. [roscoe]: Next one up, New Jersey Devil's third line. Yes, per Bod quis, Mercer, Thomas Tar, fourth line of Michael Mc Loud, [roscoe]: Nathan Bastion and Miles Wood. So before we get into this H. Thomas Tar has thirty points. Dawson Mercer has Wentynine

[roscoe]: points. Michael Mc Cloud has nineteen, and Miles Woods seventeen, So their bottom six has been quite effective this [roscoe]: year. Obviously, Thomas De Tar Wood, You know, he's been a name in the league for a while, so that's kind of a cheat [roscoe]: down there in their third line, but I mean Bokweston Mercer. That line's been been pretty good to their fourth lines

[roscoe]: where it falls off. That's why I would probably knock them down to like six and a half seven, but I think their third [roscoe]: line is really good compared to most other teams. [steph]: Yeah, Thomas Tatar, right, like this guy used to be on P. P. One. If he's not still and playing in the top six. Oh, [steph]: he is on P. P One. Right and I'm sure he's Yeah. He definitely was traded to be in a Toxitopsix role and didn't work out that

[steph]: well, and sharing Govich kind of broke out with the team last year, Umboquist, Mercer. I like this bottom six. Even Bastian, [steph]: just a law, Rookies who have a lot of potential. Um, and it's been working with this young team. Um. I agree with [steph]: your statement, Though on the fourth line Mc Cloud, even Miles Wood, this is the type of roster where they get juggled [steph]: around a lot, so I think they're used to playing with each other. That makes sense.

[roscoe]: Yeah, it's [biehner]: They, [roscoe]: not bad. It's just you know. it's not like Tampas [biehner]: They have. Yeah, they have played a lot of games all over the place and you're also missing the big point here is [biehner]: they don't have their best player on that line up [roscoe]: Fair [steph]: Yeah, Jack hus [biehner]: Because [steph]: injured.

[biehner]: yeah, because [steph]: so [biehner]: hues is out right now, [roscoe]: Starts playing [steph]: Yeah, [biehner]: So [roscoe]: up the [biehner]: I, [roscoe]: next one here. [biehner]: yeah, I would give them. [biehner]: I don't know. Excuse me, five and a half or six. I really like Mercer. Um, I really like Wood and the cloud, Boakfist [biehner]: and Bastion. They can do their job yet again. There's going to be some juggling around when Hues gets back and then

[biehner]: Tatar. Can he can find himself in a ice box real quick for long stretches like Yes, he's a veteran. He's played a lot [biehner]: of games, but he can go. He can go in the cool are pretty good, [roscoe]: That's a good point. [steph]: Yeah, I would rate it lower than Tampa, of course, maybe Six point five just because there's so much young talent and [steph]: they're not proven. Um, you just don't know if they're going to fumble, even though they've had a solid solid year.

[roscoe]: Okay, Fair enough, next up, we've got the Carolina Hurricanes with Jordan Stallyesper, fast, Jordan Martin and Paul Stottsney, [roscoe]: Derrick, step on and Stephan Nosin, So just because I listed this point on the last one between Nosin, Martin and [roscoe]: stall, twenty seven, twenty six and twenty six points, and then Yesperfost with nineteen, Stephanos, Paul Stattsney

[roscoe]: with seventeen, and then step on Scott like eight bight. I mean some crazy point production from. I mean Stephan Nosin, [roscoe]: being their fourth line, left winger is the one, two, three, four, fifth highest scoring person on the team. [steph]: P. P. one. Yeah, they trust him on the first power play unit and he stuck since October. Jordan's stall, always being

[steph]: that second or third line center. Honestly, this is probably close to Tampa. For me, I think this bottom six works like Paul [steph]: Stasney, Come on, this guy played top six minutes with Winnipeg and now he's playing fourth line with Carolina on the [steph]: stack team Like [roscoe]: Stephan Nelson [steph]: I [roscoe]: has [steph]: give [roscoe]: the most [steph]: them [roscoe]: power play goals on the team.

[steph]: Yes, and he's a sneaky fantasy at anyone out there [biehner]: Former [steph]: and needing [biehner]: Maple [steph]: some games. [biehner]: Leaf Stephan nose. [steph]: Oh [roscoe]: Yeah, [steph]: yeah, [roscoe]: oh yeah. [steph]: I give them a nine [roscoe]: Really. what do you think, Ben?

[biehner]: I'm probably going eight and a half, but that's with a little bit of an astric that they've got two, probably two [biehner]: three cent centers on their third and fourth line, and then they've got an a l r as their second line center. [steph]: Cooking [biehner]: Sorry, [steph]: yam. [biehner]: Yeah, [steph]: I think he's been flipped a lot between the third and second line, but they really want to keep him in the top six.

[steph]: Um, but Shesnikshevnikov hasn't had a super great. I don't know. I feel like he's hasn't been living up to his potential [steph]: like he's been hyped up to be, but I haven't been [biehner]: He's [steph]: following [biehner]: a. [steph]: the kins closely. [biehner]: He's a great young power forward. But and I don't want to rip on the whole time. But when you have when you're when

[biehner]: you have to do that much more because your center is not carrying their weight. right. Um, [steph]: Hm, [biehner]: The thing about the cans is, and it's been this way forever. Is you have a team that's coached by Rod Brantamore, [biehner]: So everyone's going to be playing. Probably much better than they should be. or they're supposed to be. [roscoe]: Stephan Nose is on a league men contract this year and next year. Fuck, [steph]: Um, [roscoe]: Uh, yeah, you know what.

[steph]: Hm, [roscoe]: Now that I've heard your arguments and I mean between your two, your third and fourth line centers are Jordan Stall [roscoe]: and Paul Stane, Are you joking cheat codes man? [steph]: Turbo also has been slacking this year. I think he's only [roscoe]: Oh yeah, [steph]: at six coals so far or something like that. He's been a little bit of a fantasy bust, but previous years he's been [steph]: solid. [roscoe]: It's got twenty [steph]: He was [roscoe]: assist.

[steph]: definitely [roscoe]: though, [steph]: one to look out for. Yeah, I just I don't know putting up a lot of doughnuts across the step board in fantasy, so he [steph]: hasn't been attractive for a categories league, but [roscoe]: I mean, Brent [steph]: he [roscoe]: Burns [steph]: once [roscoe]: has eleven [steph]: had. [roscoe]: goals and he's only got six. That hurts.

[steph]: Yeah, he's been scoring more lately, but hey, Brent Burns, on that first powerful unit, Bless the Sharks for Eric Carlson [steph]: to have the year that he is having right now, [roscoe]: Yeah, so honestly, I'm going to agree with you guys somewhere between like eight and a half nine. I'm goin to say [roscoe]: nine. You know what I agree with you. Stuff, the mental leadership they've got there, the veteran presence plus the young

[roscoe]: stars plus just funk, dare step on even down there. S like call him a veteran, Then we get into the Boston Bruins, [roscoe]: third line. Charlie Goyle, Crag Smith, Nick Feline, Oh my God, funny enough, Nick Falinio, who also came ove In the [roscoe]: Stephnosan trade, will call it that the Leafs made, And then a fourth [steph]: M. [roscoe]: line of Trent, Frederick, Yacob, Loco and a J. Greer, guys, Uh, this is the least impressive of the four.

[steph]: And this is the group that destroyed us last game in Toronto. Boston Game. There, It wasn't any of the core players [steph]: who scored. It was the bottom six. Oh, that was a tough game to be at. [roscoe]: The ones that you got to worry about. I mean, Dangle says that all the time, Trent Frederick, as a Boston Bruin like [roscoe]: from the womb, This guy was bred to be on this team. He's a pain in the ass and is just a physical presence and a

[roscoe]: huge, huge center. That's annoying. Nick fully knew being on the third line. That's annoying. Other than that, I [roscoe]: mean, like Coil is good, but like Smith, loco and Greer, like I know, A J. Greer had a good game against the leaps, but [roscoe]: he also got rocked in his By Wayne Simmons, and I don't know if he's going to be seeing straight for the rest of his

[roscoe]: life. After that. That was scary man. So honestly like I don't. I'm less worried about Boston's bottom six than any [roscoe]: of the other three. I give him like a. like a five. [steph]: You know [biehner]: That's [steph]: Crags, [biehner]: fair. [steph]: sorry, Ben. go ahead, [biehner]: No, no, it's all good. [steph]: Uh, Crake Smith, you know, before they got Pavel Zack, even Taylor Hall, he was trusted in a top top six position, rotated

[steph]: out of power, the first power play unit, and actually, at one point was a sneaky fantasy pick. Before they acquired [steph]: more depth on this team, It's nice to see him in the bottom six. Kind of like how we hope maybe cur foot or even yarn [steph]: Croke would work out in this scoring position. The Fourth line. I don't even know enough to kind of judge them. Just not

[steph]: reputable. Um, I don't really have an opinion on those guys, but even Nick Polina, leaving leaving Columbus, Was that [steph]: the worst thing that's ever happened to him or the best thing I don't know? right, Um, definitely lower end. I would [steph]: give them Five. six. Okay, I'm being nice with a six. [roscoe]: Yeah, I think I'm being a little harsh. giving them a five just because of the play that they show it against the

[roscoe]: leaves like I know they're capable and H l players. I just think as far as the ceiling goes, I don't think it's as [roscoe]: high if they are all on their game as all the other bottom sexes we've looked at. [steph]: Yeah, [biehner]: I would. I would put the Bruins bottom sex at power. If not worse than the least bottom sex. [roscoe]: Yeah, I'd say it's about par.

[steph]: I would argue that the leaves bottom six is better because having David confess that fourth line center, a sorry third line [steph]: center in Pontus Homburg, Like I don't know. I really love Homburg guys, Um, even Joe Anderson. A couple two on ones [steph]: today, Amburgh Anderson. they look like twins like I can't tell them a part a part half of the time for some reason,

[steph]: but I love the energy that they bring. Obviously they're not Ven in this type of sense of the Tampa Bay Lightnings bottom [steph]: six right, We don't have a core Perry on our bottom six, but it's working. [roscoe]: Okay, so let's [steph]: Is [roscoe]: go [steph]: it? [roscoe]: to [steph]: not? [roscoe]: the. Let's go to the leaves. So our third line is some combination of Camp Val and either yarn, Croker, Kerfoot, And

[roscoe]: then your fourth line is some combination of Homburg Astonresimmons, Anderson, whoever, Um, I don't love it. Angvallhas [roscoe]: been picking up finally, like you did last year. In the back half of the season Camp is solid, but I mean like it's

[roscoe]: just hard to put David camp up against. like Jordan's stall and Paul Statsney, You know, it's like he's not them. He's [roscoe]: not a super star center That has all this experience like he's good, and he's a great penalty killer and he's you [roscoe]: know, he's the camp fire, but I just I don't think the ceiling and the potential and the experience is as high as some

[roscoe]: of these other guys have had Zach Aston rise is kind of a plug in my mind, Still And Homburg and Anderson. I don't [roscoe]: like. I just I'm not sold on this bottom six. This is where I think I really want dubs to spend money Like this is [roscoe]: what I keep coming back, though, in my mind is I'll go through like Yeah, like Tam o Mir would be great, but I don't

[roscoe]: think the top six needs as much help as the bottom six does when it comes to these other teams like you. You're not [roscoe]: playing you your top six against all four lines right, like at some point these guys are going to be out there and if [roscoe]: they're gonna be useless like I don't know, Matthew Marner, Don't need help as much as you know. Anderson and Homburg

[roscoe]: need help against Feline or Statsney or Perry, Like you know, this is what it's going to come down to. That's what [roscoe]: is going a be winner. losing the playoffs. [biehner]: What they need to do is they need to play their game because the three names that you just listed can't skate anymore. [biehner]: Like no offense to them, but they're well passed their prime and none of them were great skaters to begin with, So I

[biehner]: know you, you were just picking names, but like Homburg Anderson, they're young and they can move their feet. They need [biehner]: to. If this is going to be our bottom sex the way it is, they need to just move their feet and play their game. And [biehner]: If you, If if Dubs did go out and get Meyer, well, then he takes curfootspot on the second line. So then your third [biehner]: line can be camp and kurfoot.

[roscoe]: But all these bottom sixes I was talking about, there were guys that had like there were multiple teams where there [roscoe]: were players in the twenty six, twenty seven point range can re in Crocus, Twenty six curforas, twenty four, Angvall has [roscoe]: nineteen, Camp seventeen, Homeburg, Thirteen, Aston, rise through fifty one games has seven points and S minus five.

[roscoe]: Uh, I'm not sold on this bottom six like they haven't been producing Like I get it. they're all solid players, but

[roscoe]: they're not Producing the same points like there's like we don't have a step an nosin. we don't have a Dawson Mercer [roscoe]: like there's no star that we're hiding down there, and Pierre Angell is not that like the the depth guys, but there's [roscoe]: no person that is going to be the future of the team that we're able to throw down on the bottom because they're on

[roscoe]: a l. C. Like we don't have that in Nick Roberts, and he's hurt. Maybe would pull up Matthew and I later. Maybe he [roscoe]: gets shipped out of the deadline. I don't know, but it's still a question. [biehner]: Uh, [steph]: What we do know is that Wain Simmons cleared wavers today, [roscoe]: Hello man, [steph]: So yea, we still have them. Dubs has that flexibility through deadline to move him up and down through the line up

[steph]: to the marls Without you know having that cap hit and yeah, just more flexibility. Who knows. I'm literally. My pop [steph]: corn is expiring like we've been ready to hear it, and the speculate And just gets to your mind after a while. And yeah, [steph]: Justin whole scratch tonight does. Is that symbolizing something? Is it just a penalty for playing like ship on Saturday [steph]: or who knows

[roscoe]: Either one I'm happy with because I think he performs well after he's healthy scratched. and if they're trading him, [roscoe]: they're trading him because there is value in him. Still, I think so, I think I know there is value in his contract being [roscoe]: two million and right hand of defensement, and all that. So either outcome, I'm kind of okay with That was a twenty something

[roscoe]: minute question. So there are a couple other things I do want to touch on before we get out of here. Announced today, [roscoe]: Diamond Sports Group, the subsidiary of Sinclair Broadcast Group, which [biehner]: Oh, [roscoe]: You are unfamiliar, to sum it up real quick, if you ave ever seen one of those montages of a bunch of local news [roscoe]: casters saying the exact same thing because it sounds like they're all reading a script Because they are. That is Sinclair

[roscoe]: Broadcast Group. They bought up a bunch of W, K, P, X or W. X, r, C. Buffalo and Seattle, and all these local stations [roscoe]: to push a bunch of their crazy narratives. They are like, like if you Not to get political, but they are like a mile [roscoe]: and a half further right than foxes, and they have been disguising themselves as local news and just spewing their ship [roscoe]: everywhere they. [steph]: How?

[roscoe]: When Disney bought Fox, because Disney owns S. p. N. they can't also own Fox Sports, so that was dissolved into a [roscoe]: whole separate entity that Sinclair Broadcast Group bought, and, in partnership with Bally Sports, Bolly Casinos,

[roscoe]: turned into the Bally Sports channels. What was formerly Fox Sports in the States is now Bally Sports, So they have been [roscoe]: broadcasting all the majors, whether it's M, l, b, n b, a n h, L. And today they were do a hundred and forty or hundred [roscoe]: and thirty hundred, forty million dollar interest payment on their loan and they missed it, which is the first sign that

[roscoe]: a company is about to file for bankruptcy. So what that means for the major sports world is that all of these games mid [roscoe]: season are just going to be essentially up for grabs, like they might have a have Auction between like n B C and an [roscoe]: Amazon and everybody to see who's going to pick these up Because this is mid season. They're all of a sudden going

[roscoe]: to have no broadcast or so. if anyone caught on Twitter, there was an emergency Board of Governors meeting with the N. [roscoe]: h L. today to try to figure out what to do about this. Like these guys have stakes in in stadiums, they have stakes

[roscoe]: in in broadcasting Like it's It's huge. This is like. If I know, it's tough to think about here because we only have [roscoe]: sports net in t. s. n. but it's like if there was another one All of a sudden, like it just disappeared one day, and Tsan [roscoe]: sports and had to pick up all the slack for them, So that's kind of what's what's going on there in a nutshell. It's [roscoe]: crazy.

[biehner]: It definitely is, And you say T, s N sports, and picking up slack for someone else, they can't even pick up their own [biehner]: slack. [roscoe]: I know it's It's impossible to make a comparison Because like there are regional broadcasters there like depending on

[roscoe]: where you are you, you know eastern West Coast. You might have a different broadcaster and you know Amazon and Apple [roscoe]: and all these guys have broadcasting now, and I think in Canada were just still so stuck in the you know late nineties [roscoe]: are only two thousands where it's like you know there's the sports networks and they hold all the rights. So that's it.

[roscoe]: And because Rogers spent, did you guys? do you Know that Roger spent more money for ten years of the N h. L than [roscoe]: Disney spent to buy all of Lucas Arts? [steph]: M. [roscoe]: I think it was like nine or ten billion dollars Rogers spent to get ten years of Hell broadcasting, and to buy all of [roscoe]: Star Wars, all of Indiana Jones, Everything, Disney spent seven billion.

[steph]: Wow, [roscoe]: I think that's a really bad deal If you ask me for Rogers, like I know, you get the broadcasting rights and it's like a [roscoe]: thing that you can then sell off to C, B, C and n, t, s. N. But like, I'm pretty sure, one Disney movie of Star Wars [roscoe]: made more than that money back. Like, like just owning the rights to all the like to sell the toys and ship like they [roscoe]: made their money back tenfold. It's crazy step. [steph]: That's crazy.

[roscoe]: You want to Switch gears over to Socker? [steph]: Yeah, sorry, I don't know much about the Broad Road casting world and T V writes and stuff. All I know is that I'm pitching [steph]: and complaining when we can't get what we want to watch so [roscoe]: I was. actually, when we went to Boston pizza, we sat down for a second. I was like, Wait, is the game even going to

[roscoe]: be on here? Like? Is it blacked out An auto? Can we not watch it like? And that actually hit me for a second? Then [roscoe]: what was crazy Was it was. The pre game was on the t, s n t Vs. But then the game came on on the sports and that one [roscoe]: and I was like. What's going on?

[steph]: Well, Yeah, so big things in the news that may be isn't covered as you know, microscopically as you want. In this sense, [steph]: because Canada Socker just announce that they made significant cuts to the national team programs that includes men, women, [steph]: youth, Um, all of the programs for twenty twenty three M. This has led Two significant cuts towards the training camps.

[steph]: All the preparation that the women's team is preparing for. They qualified last year to go to the World Cup, pretty [steph]: much the biggest tournament of their lives thus far. With less than six months notice that they will not get a training [steph]: camp. They will not get a home game. They will have to count how many staff members participate in all of these, And

[steph]: just crazy craziness. So pretty much Christine Saint Clair and team, If anyone forgets who Christine Saint Clair is, [steph]: she is the world's old time leader for international goal scored for men, in or women, with a hundred and ninety goals [steph]: so far, so every time you see those little mems and such a Rinaldo, and all these male players, people forget Christine

[steph]: Saint Clair holds these records. but since she's a woman, it doesn't Publicized as much. But anyways, the team has stood [steph]: together to take a stand and declared that they were striking. Um. They're like this is very unfair. Um. Pretty much [steph]: Um. citing that if they want to be treated as world class athletes with all of these high expectations, but the platform

[steph]: isn't given to them. The equity that they promote isn't being up to Par hasn't been met. And then they put on the stand [steph]: right and thought it's going to be this big thing. Kind of felt like this was their last resort. Important to note, they [steph]: have not been paid for their twenty twenty two work at all. So far, Canada, Socker actually just released a statement

[steph]: saying that they've paid one point seven mill. Who knows if it's the transaction has happened yet, But even that, one [steph]: point seven million dollars for all of the team and the staff Has to be split up anyways. [roscoe]: What I find?

[steph]: Canada sucker, [roscoe]: what I find [steph]: go ahead, [roscoe]: crazy is that it seems like just my uneducated guest that they blew a ton of money to get the guys to the World Cup, [roscoe]: and then when we did not budget properly, when that is crazy, Because the men have been to the World Cup, Who, twice [roscoe]: and the women have been. They have only not qualified the first time in nineteen, ninety one. They have been ninety

[roscoe]: five, ninety nine, o, three, o, seven, And uh, two thousand, eleven, fifteen and nineteen, and now twenty three. So it seems [roscoe]: like, And this is just me. They should be getting more of the money because they have a shot. [biehner]: They won the Olympic gold. [steph]: Yeah, [roscoe]: Yeah, [biehner]: They, [roscoe]: I'm just [biehner]: they [roscoe]: looking [biehner]: have. Actually, [roscoe]: at World Cup appearances [biehner]: Yeah,

[roscoe]: here. but like Yeah, Olympics [biehner]: but like [roscoe]: aside, [biehner]: they have actually accomplished something. No offense to the men, but the women have actually accomplished something [biehner]: and they're getting treated like dirt like the Canadian Soo Federation blew a ton of money trying to get friendlies with [biehner]: I ran in Panama last year, which didn't even end up getting played And they're making all these cuts now and there's

[biehner]: not a current deal in place to talk about compensate, And the women haven't been paid for last year yet Like it's It's [biehner]: absolutely ridiculous. [roscoe]: So I want [steph]: Yeah, [roscoe]: go ahead stuff. [steph]: um, Just to speak of the men last year, the men like you said being also went on strike ahead of the friendly match

[steph]: with Panama. over a dispute, players compensation, the men's national team relaced this statement, saying that Canada [steph]: succor has consistently refused, or blaney ignored our players associations requests for access to his financial records, [steph]: and they have demanded Explanation to what has happened to the millions of dollars that they should be receiving each

[steph]: year from sponsors and other sources alone. So that was already a thing in June. So what? the women? Now, they qualified [steph]: for the World Cup, But men obviously didn't qualify last year. Right? The women has this high high expectation. They strike.

[steph]: Canada, Sucker comes right back at them and says your strike is completely unlawful. If you continue to do this and [steph]: no Play the game against the U. S. on Thursday, we will start a law suit and pretty much threatened if they do not return [steph]: to work, Um, they would take legal action that will equal millions of dollars and damages from their players association

[steph]: and from each player in the camp. So as a risk, like these girls, they haven't been paid yet. they obviously are forced [steph]: back into work. They have to say, Okay, You're literally track. Ping us into this like there's no option. Do you give [steph]: up your career Because you're pissed and there's obviously inequality right now. There's no equity which this federation [steph]: preaches Or do you do what they say and just hope for the best?

[biehner]: Well, the federation has been so incredibly mismanaged like in twenty eighteen they signed a deal with Canada or Canadian [biehner]: socker business, And that's the group of owners who own all the teams in the Canadian Premier League, which is like,

[biehner]: basically a step down from the M L. S. still very good socker. But the twenty year deal that they signed signed away [biehner]: all broadcast unit sponsorship money, in exchange for a flat payment of three to four mil In a year, [biehner]: All [steph]: Wow, [biehner]: broadcasting and sponsorship money. So now that there is a women's team that is a gold medal winner at the Olympics

[biehner]: and potential World Cup winner, and you have the men's team going to the World Cup. You have all the sponsorship money [biehner]: coming in and they get none of it. [steph]: Just bizarre. [roscoe]: So I know I brought up Bill C Leven with regards to Canada making broadcasting for sports accessible. You guys both

[roscoe]: take a drink as soon as I say Sal, I love that it's like All right. I'm getting into a political rant Here. you guys [roscoe]: are like, Oh God, I need a drink, [steph]: Oh God, where's my babe? [roscoe]: so I brought this up in regards to Canada, protecting accessibility to viewing our national sport of Hawke, by not [roscoe]: letting sports net in Bell block out games for different regions. This is bigger than that. Some of the most unpopular

[roscoe]: branches of the Canadian government are Hawke, Canada, Skate, Canada, Canadian sucker. Whatever there, the Canadian [roscoe]: Soccer Federation and our basketball program. they are some of as far as government branches that interact with civilians.

[roscoe]: The closest they are, so Of the least popular and least trusted and worst managed government arms we have. our basketball [roscoe]: team is borderline like, non competitive, like the amount of people that we've contributed to, even the N B A over the

[roscoe]: last you know, thirty years is kind of embarrassing for how much the U S has done right below us here. H, and the [roscoe]: fact that we've let the States catch up to us so quickly and hock, and just the scandals and everything that Come out [roscoe]: around Hawke, Canada and I know some figure skaters that are like Skate Canada is literally a joke. Like it's in

[roscoe]: the same vein of like the amount of controversy and mismanagement. and and like it's it's just crazy that now it's [roscoe]: it's into socker to that like, instead of trying to okay, I don't know if you guys know and this goes to our listeners.

[roscoe]: Like how long it takes something to go through the Senate and House of Commons in Canada, But the amount of discussion [roscoe]: they've had around Bill C. eleven is unprecedented and shout out to, There's a tuber who's covered a ton of this and [roscoe]: has been called into Parliament, actually ran into him here. not a whit when he was talking about J. J. Michel, out

[roscoe]: of Vancouver. This has been tabled off the top of my head. I want to say, like thirty something times they've talked [roscoe]: about this bill and they've brought in people. Both sides have brought in people to argue it, And they're spending [roscoe]: so much time and so much effort to try to figure out how to regulate how videos show Up on line from Canadian creators.

[roscoe]: Meanwhile, all around this is all managed and I know this sounds like a stretch to compare these things. but this [roscoe]: is all managed by the same Heritage Canada branch. Like the way that our government is structure is very strange, so

[roscoe]: the Canadian Heritage Committee handles everything from sports to music to culture. Anything that is identified as Canadian [roscoe]: culture they are in charge of, So this all falls under them, and they are spending so much time worrying about the Internet

[roscoe]: And letting every single sport just go to ship around them. And this is insane that it's we're supposed to be going [roscoe]: to the world's stage with all these sports And it's like we can have a couple of good teams here and there, but it's [roscoe]: almost like luck at this point that these people are are good because the programs aren't doing the many favors.

[steph]: Yeah, literally, the women are simply asking for this federation to live up to their public commitment to gender equity, [steph]: and for this national governing body to advance the sport, not drag it down. so essentially we want to grow this in the [steph]: sport in this country. Obviously having the men's team participate in the World Cup. Look how much exposure that brought

[steph]: right, Like if the women were high lighted on the same, Treated like world class as they deserve to be treated. I mean, [steph]: we are so lucky to have a Canadian who is decorated world class for as many goals, Christine Saint Clair, you know, countless [steph]: medals, like I'd be here all day if I read her accomplishments right. It's just bizarre to me and bizarre to them. And what [steph]: else do they do? Right? Like striking is kind of like your final straw, [roscoe]: Yeah,

[steph]: Like just blow it up. Just have to. I don't know. Like where are these records? Where where are all these? The sponsorship [steph]: money going? [roscoe]: All [steph]: like, [roscoe]: of these organizations need a leadership change and on that [steph]: Yes, [roscoe]: the last. the thing that I want to end with here is it's kind of older news, but the n. h, l, p. A is set to announce

[roscoe]: their new director finally, after what seems like because it has been a year search. So did you guys hear who they have [roscoe]: selected? [steph]: No, [roscoe]: This is kind of crazy beer. Do you see this one? So the U S Secretary of Labor, Marti Walsh, So literally, somebody [roscoe]: from Bidon's Cabinet, who is currently the sitting U S Secretary of Labor, is leaving his post to come and be the

[roscoe]: director, executive director of the N. H. L. Players Association. So this is [steph]: What. [roscoe]: kind of. it seems like a somebody over qualified, But what's worth Is this person is not a lawyer and this is the first [roscoe]: time that the director of the N. P. A is not somebody with a legal background. This is somebody that is a politician [roscoe]: who fights for labor rights. So this is from non legal and more policy standpoint. This is going to be interesting because

[roscoe]: this is the person that has to negotiate with Garry Bettman on a regular basis. This is someone whose life is law [roscoe]: against someone Whose life is politics, and it's going to be kind of a. I don't know how this is going A go, Because

[roscoe]: he's not going to be a lawyer. That's going to try to outlawyer him, and Betman just gets to say I'm the better one, [roscoe]: like they're going to play a completely different hand against each other, and I'm interested to see where this goes [roscoe]: for the next major negotiations. [steph]: They probably already made a deal. That's why he got in like scratching each other's back somehow. And and now he's [steph]: in.

[roscoe]: Well, Betman can't have anything to do with it, And he like all he said was you know. I'm all I can say is you know [roscoe]: I work with whoever the players decide to pick, because it's it's the person that's representing all the players right.

[roscoe]: So he, he has to stay out [biehner]: Yeah, [roscoe]: of it, And it's supposed to be the person that's speaking on their behalf when it comes to all these you know, labor, like [roscoe]: when it came to negotiations about Scro for the covidpayments and everything, and how the players are still sitting here with [roscoe]: a frozen cap and still paying money back while the owners are making exactly as Mac Money, not more actually more than

[roscoe]: they were before. So you know it's those kind of negotiations that might go differently now that somebody else is in charge, [roscoe]: and somebody that has been doing this from the White House essentially is standing up to these different kinds of [roscoe]: lawyers and union leaders, whatever it may be, to make sure that workers are getting the best, so I think it's good,

[roscoe]: but again, he's not a lawyer, so I think that's even strange to be the secretary of labor Without being a lawyer. [roscoe]: But we'll see. [steph]: Yeah, uh, weird thing that. I'm just crossing my mind. I'm gonna think loud. I'm on the left n h site looking [roscoe]: Hm. [steph]: at the leader board and Jack Campbell appears with a nine, twenty one safe percentage and seventeen wins. But the [steph]: other starts are accurate right now. So or no, No, maybe they're not.

[roscoe]: What are [steph]: I [roscoe]: you [steph]: don't [roscoe]: doing? [steph]: know they are. Yeah, it's a current stots. I don't know. it's weird current starts, but Jack Campbell's included [roscoe]: Strange? [steph]: baby. It's a sign [roscoe]: Okay, [steph]: M. [roscoe]: Well, since we're out of here, I'm going to take two seconds to just tell everybody to yell at your M. P's about stopping

[roscoe]: bills. Eleven, It passed though the Senate two weeks ago. This is the dumbest thing that government has tried to push [roscoe]: through. Basically the too long didn't read of what this means is how do I send this up quick. Basically it would [roscoe]: implement an algorithm on the Internet in Canada to push what the government deems as cana And content up higher

[roscoe]: above other things, and well on the surface. That sounds like a great idea. Um, what it does with? I know I might have [roscoe]: talked about this already, but what it does is the effect that it has on music in Canada already where radio stations have [roscoe]: to play a certamout of Canadian music Is. If you go to the States, they go. Yeah, but they have to play you, so it

[roscoe]: de values it. So you are maybe boosting somebody for the you know small audience that is in Canada, but you are hurting [roscoe]: them being discovered on World stage Canadian utubers posting content that doesn't get deemed Canadian content because [roscoe]: they're not talking about something that's Canadian enough for them. We'll get buried. So [steph]: M, [roscoe]: you know the fact that we're talking about the leaves. Yeah, that will get pushed. but say there's say we were podcast

[roscoe]: here that we're penguins fans that would get buried. So it's It's not fair. It's not conducive to how the Internet [roscoe]: works and nobody needs this. The government does not need to step in and effect how People find things on the Internet.

[roscoe]: In Canada. they should have no effect on how things show up and in search feeds. Nobody should I know there are things [roscoe]: that affect that, but you know the government definitely shouldn't be one of those things, So if you didn't know about

[roscoe]: this, it's something they're sneaking through a pass through the Senate. It's now to the House of Commons, they've [roscoe]: should tend of amendments on it, and today the Kabec government unanimously voted against it, saying that this is [roscoe]: stupid. They just basically not voted against it, but saying like, Put something forward, saying that we are not okay

[roscoe]: with this, So It's been extremely controversial. Both sides are are not really okay. I watched a bit of an argument [roscoe]: on it where they brought different people in. Like I said, There was a Canadian outuber, J. J, who was arguing for [roscoe]: the conservative side the Liberals had in basically just the c, b C, and some other broadcasters who obviously are

[roscoe]: biased and have no interest in what happens online. They just want to have their stuff. Their shows presence on the [roscoe]: Internet be pushed up. so yeah, Kind of not in any individual person's interest. Yeah, [steph]: M,

[roscoe]: anyway, I'm just thrown down there because people in Canada need to know that this is going on. So if you have any [roscoe]: interest in how things like entertainment in culture and politics work in Canada, speak out about this because it's [roscoe]: stupid right and call your M. P and saying no, No, No Cool. [steph]: Do that [roscoe]: thanks. [steph]: and support women's sports. [roscoe]: Yeah, that too. always. When are we starting our women's with a P. h. F. fantasy league?

[steph]: Um, [roscoe]: I don't even know what their season time line is, so I don't. Did they launch that [steph]: I don't [roscoe]: apple [steph]: know. [roscoe]: in the middle of the season? [biehner]: Yeah, [roscoe]: Yeah, that's tough. Okay, so maybe we'll [steph]: I [roscoe]: get [steph]: don't [roscoe]: into [steph]: know. [roscoe]: it for next year. [steph]: Yeah, Yeah, next next season, [roscoe]: Okay, [steph]: that'd [roscoe]: Well, [steph]: be really fun.

[roscoe]: any hawke history or anything we wanted to touch on? [biehner]: Nothing crazy unless you were, Unless you weren't watching the broadcast They talked about it on on this state back in nineteen [biehner]: twenty seven, Con Smith bought the maple leaves. [roscoe]: Oh, wow, The one thing that I just kind of wanted to briefly talk about. If we guys don't mind five minutes or less.

[roscoe]: Why, in a year where the Montreal Canadians have no business winning, did they put all of their young stars in for [roscoe]: them all to get hurt, Because now they are down off field Slavkovsky, Jack and Guly. I know two of those guys are [roscoe]: like twenty two, and you can't just keep them out. But why A is this happening to them right now? Like the fact [steph]: They're [roscoe]: that Slevkosky, [steph]: just getting crushed.

[roscoe]: The fact that Lefkofsky and gooliis there silly are there is silly. But Jack, breaking his hand in a fight is doing [roscoe]: nobody any good. Um, and Kofffield getting hurt like funk man. This is not what they need when they're trying to get [roscoe]: ready for the next couple of years. [steph]: I think Jack. I caught a lot of attention. Started being a banger in this league. I'm sure he came in hard, heavy hitter,

[steph]: just like his brother, who's in junior. Still. Um, but he learned the hard way right. Think you can't punch your way [steph]: out of every single problem Because this happens and unfortunately, this game today is way too fast for that to be [steph]: happening all the time, or else you just don't get to play like the guy, don't You're wrong, love wife, I, for what

[steph]: I've seen so far, but it's going to be like you can get more situation or something like. You don't want him hurt all [steph]: of the time. [roscoe]: I totally thought that they drafted. Pardon me, They just drafted Jack, But they did not. [roscoe]: He's [steph]: M. [roscoe]: twenty two year old, who did not go in the twenty [steph]: He [roscoe]: or [steph]: was [roscoe]: twenty [steph]: undrafted.

[roscoe]: one? Yeah, nineteen or twenty and twenty or twenty one draft. He hadn't go ahead because they showed that thing. Wasn't [roscoe]: it like when they picked Lavkofsky, He was like excited because they played together. Wasn't it them? or was it him and [roscoe]: Goole? [steph]: No, it was another draft pick [roscoe]: Oh [biehner]: Um, yeah, it was the [steph]: From this class. [biehner]: younger kid, another Slovakian that Montreal picked, [roscoe]: Gotcha. See. [steph]: Yeah,

[roscoe]: that's I had it in my head that it was Jack. So I've always like all season. I've been like. Oh, yeah, he's new this [roscoe]: year because nobody knew about him till this year. [steph]: Jack does have an interesting story, though, Um, his parents came as refugees from Corsovo and got him into and his [steph]: brother were into Hawke immediately, But just his story of turning pro and Um, he also had a second job. Was he the kid [steph]: who had cost co hours right and [roscoe]: Yeah,

[steph]: his manager had? No, I didn't believe that Hawke was more important than [roscoe]: Then casto. [steph]: working at Casco, Right, And I didn't believe Hell pro like at the level he was, But yeah, just a funny story. If anyone [steph]: has time to look that up, he came from nothing and he turned himself to something which I really appreciate just a

[steph]: type of story where he wasn't handed everything as a child. It seems [roscoe]: Those stories and sports always blow my mind because sports are so expensive to get into and so many of them become

[roscoe]: family dynasties. Like you know, generations that have access to scouts and to trainers and things. And then I know [roscoe]: this is over to basketball, but you hear things like um, An, as Ontentacumpo, who, like him and his brothers were [roscoe]: like, are the streets of Athens, selling like you know, watches, and cologne and stuff, and then get thrown onto some

[roscoe]: like high school team and then all of a sudden there Like intent to compose the best player you know, like wood, top [roscoe]: five, top three in the n. B A like it's crazy [steph]: Wow, [roscoe]: And these guys like Up until like we did the math, I went on a school trip in two thousand eleven to Greece, and we [roscoe]: figured that Ontenticobo was still then on the streets like selling ship while I was in high school, and now he is in

[roscoe]: the N. B. A, and one of the best players [steph]: Hitting super stars. You know that don't have access to the means. I saw the Instagram reel of a father shooting beer [steph]: bottle caps at his son know, hitting them with a baseball bat. He was shooting them with a sling shot From. It seemed like [steph]: so far like a mile away, that kid was hitting every single cap. [roscoe]: That's crazy,

[steph]: No problem. it was very impressive. It wasn't close at all. either. yah, [roscoe]: Have to alert the sling shot leagues. [biehner]: Uh, [steph]: Right, [biehner]: uh, [steph]: the Caps leagues remember [roscoe]: Yeah, man, [steph]: that game. [roscoe]: but honestly, it's just it blows my mind that the circumstances can even come together for somebody to get into. you know, finding

[roscoe]: a league to play and finding the next league up to play and finding an agent. finding you know, like all these things [roscoe]: that have to line up that basically get handed to you if you have money or be, have the family in it. And see, I like [roscoe]: listening things when I'm drunk alphabetically. [steph]: Well beaters, like Go home, Johnny. You're drunk. [roscoe]: Yeah, man, [steph]: Time for bed. [roscoe]: okay, guys, thank you all. [biehner]: Uh.

[roscoe]: Follow us everywhere. join us on this cord. All that. thanks for sending the message, Chris. That took us. I loved [roscoe]: it. That's that's why I wanted to get through everything because I knew we had to set some time at aside for that, so [roscoe]: thank you, thank you, and we'll see Ou next time. [steph]: I'm already. [roscoe]: Uh?