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Lawful Assembly

Cecil Cicirello and Craig Mousinwww.lawfulpod.com
The Lawful Assembly podcast teams up two divergent activists, a Secular Humanist Political Activist with an immigration lawyer and an ordained clergy to dissect politics, important legal issues facing the United States, and the role of religion in our political and legal landscapes. Its challenging conversation combines a bit of humor with lamentations over injustices, combined with equal measures of pragmatic cynicism and faith-filled hope. Engage with us as we navigate through the complexities of governance and justice, examining how beliefs and law intersect in the shaping of society. Lawful Assembly is more than just a podcast; it's a community dedicated to celebrating the power of people gathering together to inspire further understanding and activism where law, ethics, and compassion meet seeking the common good. Tune in, and be part of the conversation that ignites minds and hearts alike.
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Farewell... A Final Episode

This is our final episode. The demands of creating the show are much greater than its reach, so we are focusing our energies to do good in other ways and leaving the podcast behind. We are grateful to all our listeners, and to all the people who commented and contacted us. We thank you for letting us be part of your lives for the last year. Carry on and fight the good fight. Here are the shownotes to this week's episode: SHOW NOTES States of Washington, Illinois, Arizona, and Oregon’s Motion for...

Jan 31, 202545 min

A challenge to Birthright Citizenship

Today we talk about the 14th amendment and the executive order to change it signed recently. We also talk about Episcopal DC Bishop the Right Rev. Mariann Budde, and the new policies of ICE https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/21/politics/ice-can-arrest-people-at-churches-and-schools https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/01/21/republican-reaction-jan-6-violent-offenders-trump-pardon/?utm_campaign=wp_the_5_minute_fix&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025...

Jan 24, 202533 min

Defense Secretary Hearings and Chicago Votes to Protect Immigrants

SHOW NOTES We talk about the confirmation hearings, the release of the special counsels report and the vote in Chicago to help protect immigrants. https://news.wttw.com/2025/01/15/chicago-city-council-votes-39-11-reject-push-scale-back-protections-undocumented https://apnews.com/article/pete-hegseth-background-defense-secretary-confirmation-hearing-e160e10c86385a8beff110d9190fb34e https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-announces-israel-hamas-ceasefire-deal-2025-01-15/ https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/14...

Jan 17, 202530 min

Special Counsel Report and the 'Laken Riley Act'

SHOW NOTES House Passes ‘Laken Riley Act’ to Deport Unauthorized Immigrants Charged With Minor Crimes - The New York Times AG Merrick Garland intends to release special counsel report on Trump's Jan. 6 case, DOJ says Justice Dept. to Hold Off Releasing Report on Trump Documents Case - The New York Times Trump Seeks to Halt His Criminal Sentencing in New York For information on the Laken Riley Act , see the National Immigrant Law Center fact sheet CALL to ACTION Laken Riley Act: Although the Sena...

Jan 10, 202530 min

Listener Questions about Religion and Reflections on the Death of Jimmy Carter

Today Craig answers several listener questions about religion and morality. Cecil chimes in with his thoughts. They both chat about the death of former President Jimmy Carter. The idea of a trial of innocence asking each human whether to do well or not do well comes from André LaCocque, Onslaught Against Innocence, Cain, Abel, and the Yahwist. (Eugene, Or., Cascade Books, 2008), p. 1. See also, André LaCocque, The Trial of Innocence, Adam, Eve, and the Yahwist. (Eugene, Or., Cascade Books, 2006)...

Jan 03, 202549 min

Pardons, Trump Sues Iowa Pollster, and Judge Denies Trump's Bid to Throw Out Conviction

We talk about pardons for immigrants in detention and then discuss a few Trump cases as he settles in to take office next month. Show Notes Part II of Craig’s article that discusses all the biblical protagonists who would have been unlawful under U.S. immigration law, “You Were Told to Love the Immigrant, But What If the Story Never Happened? Hospitality and United States Immigration Law,” Vincentian Heritage Journal: Vol. 33: Iss. 1, Article 8, can be found at: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/pape...

Dec 20, 202439 min

Chicago as Ground Zero for Mass Deportations

Mr. Homan makes a false claim that nine out of ten people who claim asylum never get relief. (“Chicago to be ground zero for mass deportations, Trump border czar tells Illinois Republicans,” Tina Sfondeles, December 9, 2024, Chicago Sun Times : https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/donald-trump/2024/12/09/border-czar-tom-homan-donald-trump-chicago-pritzker-brandon-johnson-immigration?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=12102024%20Morning%20Edition&utm_content=12102024%20Morning%20Edition+CID_9...

Dec 13, 202429 min

Boycotting the Press, Hunter Biden Pardon

We talk about several news stories on this week's show. Check out our show notes below: For more information on the disproportionate toll on Palestinians lives since 1917, see Rashid Khalidi, The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine, A History of Settler Colonialism and Resistance, 1917-2017, (N.Y., Henry Holt & Co., 2020). The Haaretz podcast quoted in this episode can be found at: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/podcasts/2024-11-30/ty-article-podcast/.premium/netanyahus-war-on-the-israeli-m...

Dec 06, 202437 min

Israel, Gaza, and Reflections on Thanksgiving

You can find the op-ed by Thomas Friedman, “Mr. Trump, Do You Realize How Much the World Has Changed Since You Were President?” Nov. 26, 202 at: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/26/opinion/trump-israel-iran.html Abraham Lincoln’s Thanksgiving Proclamation, October 3, 1863, can be found at: https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/sites/default/files/docs/transcript_for_abraham_lincoln_thanksgiving_proclamation_1863.pdf A colleague on the same Solidarity Pilgrimage with me posted the following stateme...

Nov 29, 202429 min

Encountering Different Worldviews

A short solo podcast this week. Talking about what we talked about last week and clarifying for some listeners.

Nov 22, 202412 min

Welcoming the Stranger vs. MAGA Jesus

Today Craig and Cecil discuss the differences in how groups use Christianity to shape their ideas on immigration. The chapter contrasting the Migrant 4 Life from MAGA Jesus and the immigration consequences of the Tower of Babel story, “A Migrant 4 Life Journeys to the New Tower of Babel: Christianity and Immigration,” can be found at: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4769482 The chapter that discusses Ruth and the daily trial of innocence, “Nonrefoulement: Responding to Asylum...

Nov 15, 202443 min

Post Election Thoughts

Craig and Cecil talk about the election results, what to do next and how to move forward. Notes for this episode: Marcela Valdes, "What a Crackdown on Immigration Could Mean for Cheap Milk," NY Times Magazine, October 15, 2024: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/15/magazine/milk-industry-undocumented-immigrants.html?searchResultPosition=1 Harriet Tubman's quote came from Tiya Miles book, Night Flyer, Harriet Tubman and the Faith Dreams of a Free People , (New York, Penguin Press, 2024), pp. 234-5....

Nov 08, 202421 min

The Madison Square Garden Rally, Elon's Givaways

We spend much of this week's show talking about and playing clips from the Madison Square Garden Rally. We also cover some news stories about Elon Musk and a new defamation lawsuit filed against Donald Trump Trump at the Garden: A Closing Carnival of Grievances, Misogyny and Racism There’s a Big New Defamation Lawsuit Against Trump. It’s a Slam Dunk. Elon Musk, enemy of ‘open borders,’ launched his career working illegally Philadelphia DA sues Elon Musk over $1 million giveaway to registered vot...

Nov 01, 202446 min

Discussing Pernicious Polarization with Dr. Jennifer McCoy, Ph.D.

Our guest Today is Dr. Jennifer McCoy, Ph.D. She is a Professor of Political Science at Georgia State University. We discussed Pernicious Polarization, what causes it, and how to combat it. Overcoming Polarization Journal of Democracy, Volume 32, Number 1, January 2021, Johns Hopkins University Press Peter Marty's quote is from “Playing to the Crowds” in The Christian Century that can be found at: https://www.christiancentury.org/first-words/playing-crowds Craig has discussed the Abraham Lincoln...

Oct 25, 202448 min

Trump Bibles in Oklahoma and Voting Like Jesus

This week we talk about several news stories. All the stories are linked below. Megachurch pastor tells congregation to "vote like Jesus" by supporting Trump 'Trump Bible' one of few that meet Walters' criteria for Oklahoma classrooms FBI Kavanaugh probe tightly controlled by Trump White House, congressional report finds - The Washington Post DeSantis Threatening Jail Time for Running Abortion Rights Ads in Florida - TPM – Talking Points Memo Trump wages campaign against real-time fact checks - ...

Oct 18, 202444 min

Jack Smith’s Latest Legal Filing in the Trump v. United States Case

This week we talk about the newest legal filing by Jack Smith in the DC Trump Case. We talk about what is in it and some commentary on the filing itself and the timing of the filing. https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/73357920e3c8d739/8fc8bfd0-full.pdf How Jack Smith Outsmarted the Supreme Court Opinion | Jack Smith Owes Us an Explanation...

Oct 11, 202440 min

Overhaul SCOTUS, Fact Checking Immigrant Crime Data

Sweeping bill to overhaul Supreme Court would add six justices Rudy Giuliani disbarred in D.C. over 2020 election scheme Trump turns to darker rhetoric as voting begins : NPR How Trump distorts immigration and crime data in new attacks on Harris - The Washington Post Biden Administration Cements Harmful Asylum Restrictions Two NIJC reports on the new Biden Asylum Rule "NIJC Condemns Decision to Finalize Anti-Asylum Rule Amid Rampant Rights Violations" which can be found at: https://immigrantjust...

Oct 04, 202440 min

Haitians File Suit Against Trump and Vance, Judge Cannon and Her Right Wing Funded Junkets

We talk about several stories on this week's show and field a voicemail from a listener. Judge Aileen Cannon Failed to Disclose a Right-Wing Junket — ProPublica Marcellus Williams is executed despite prosecutors and the victim’s family asking that he be spared | CNN Haitian group in Springfield, Ohio, files citizen criminal charges against Trump and Vance - ABC7 Chicago Opinion | GOP lies about illegal immigrant voting will be the basis for election denial - The Washington Post Don Kerwin’s arti...

Sep 27, 202444 min

Trump's Attacks on Immigrants; Ginni Thomas and the First Liberty Institute

We talk about several news stories this last week. We start by discussing the debates and then move on to talking about Ginni Thomas and the recent story in ProPublica enlisting help opposing SCOTUS reform. Judge Sets Deadlines in Trump Election Case, Saying Campaign Is 'Not Relevant' Ginni Thomas Email Praised Group Opposing SCOTUS Reform — ProPublica Justice Amy Coney Barrett describes coming home with bulletproof vest Steve Vladek's comments on the interaction between all three branches of go...

Sep 20, 202432 min

How They Would Dismantle Asylum Using Project 2025

TRAC at Syracuse University's report on legal representation, "Too Few Immigration Attorneys: Average representation Rates Fall from 65% to 30%, can be found at: https://trac.syr.edu/reports/736/ Dorothee Soelle's quote can be found in The Window of Vulnerability, A Political Spirituality , (Minneapolis, Fortress Press, 1990), p.7. 2025: https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf

Sep 13, 202437 min

The Revised January 6th Indictment, Judge Luttig Endorses Harris

We cover several stories in the news this week: The information regarding Georgia Governor Eugene Talmadge removing more that one million voters from his state's voter registration came from political scientist Rober Mickey in "American Needs Georgia Republicans to Defend Democracy Again," Mary Gay, The New York Times, August 29, 2024: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/29/opinion/georgia-election-board-certification.html "Top Military officer says he was wrong to accompany Trump on church walk thr...

Sep 06, 202432 min

The Immigration Blueprint in Project 2025

Today we read the section of Project 2025 on the restructuring of the Department of Homeland Security and what that has to do with the future of immigration in possible Trump presidency. Show notes: Current USCIS Mission Statement: https://www.uscis.gov/about-us/mission-and-core-values Project 2025: https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf (Mission Statement is on page 134). Hannah Arendt discusses Germany's enhanced power of police (p. 287) and the impact of denaturaliz...

Aug 30, 202433 min

Historical Connections - 1968 and 2024 Democratic National Convention

Today I ask Craig about the year 1968 and the Democratic National Convention. He gives me a history lesson on the year leading up to the riots in Chicago. References: Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez 2024 DNC speech . Senator Raphael Warnock’s 2024 DNC speech . The Executive Summary of the “Rights in Conflict” report regarding indiscriminate police violence at the 1968 DNC. The dates discussed in 1968 came from “ 1968 ” from Wikipedia. The Catonsville 9 issued a report on their actions. R...

Aug 23, 202439 min

Summer Break!

Craig took a week off recording to head to the woods of Maine to enjoy this summer. I have a short message for our listeners to help the show grow. Full show next week!

Aug 16, 20244 min

Election Season Immigration Myths Debunked

Today we talk about immigration myths and debunk the most common ones that will crop up this election season. The Refugee Convention and Protocoal Relating to the Status of Refugees (quote from page 5): https://www.unhcr.org/media/convention-and-protocol-relating-status-refugees For information on non-citizens voting and how few cases have been found, see: https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/four-things-to-know-about-noncitizen-voting/ NBC Chicago produced a documentary on the issues related to fi...

Aug 09, 202435 min

Biden Suggests Ways to Rein in Supreme Court, How to Stay Positive

Today we talk about President Biden's plan to reform the supreme court. We also field a question on how to remain positive in a world that inundates us with negativity. Democrats May Have a Real Chance to Reform the Supreme Court FACT SHEET: President Biden Announces Bold Plan to Reform the Supreme Court and Ensure No President Is Above the Law | The White House You can find information on the Lamp, Lifeboat, Ladder at: https://lamplifeboatladder.org/...

Aug 02, 202437 min

US vs Rahimi Case and How to Reconsider Gun Policy

We finish our conversation on recent gun decisions in the supreme court. We also talk about what we might consider good gun law. United States v. Rahimi (June 21, 2014); https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/22-915new_ihdk.pdf Sophie Sherry's article in the July 23, 2024 Chicago Sun Times , "Domestic violence deaths spiked 110% in Illinois last year, adding to calls for passage of Karina’s Bill," can be found at: https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2024/07/23/domestic-violence-deaths-spiked...

Jul 26, 202441 min

McDonald, Bruen, Gun rights, and A Dismissal by Judge Cannon

We contiune our second ammendment discussion in light of the recent attempt on the life of the former president. We also talk about the dismissal of the documents case. New York State Rifle and Pistol Association, Inc. v. Bruen, 142 S.Ct.2111 (2022): https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/20-843_new_m648.pdf To review Justice Breyer's list of scholars who have documented the historical errors within the Heller decision, see Bruen at pp. 2177-2179. McDonald v. City of Chicago, 561 U.S. 742 h...

Jul 19, 202446 min

The Bedrock of Second Amendment Cases: DC vs. Heller (2008)

Today is the first part of a series on recenct Supreme Court cases on the Second Ammendment. Today we talk about the District of Columbia vs Heller District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008): https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/boundvolumes/554bv.pdf Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence: https://giffords.org/lawcenter/gun-laws/litigation/ Craig has previously written on gun control issues: "Where Does One Stand on A Slippery Slope?" at: file:///Users/cmousin/Downloads/Slippery%...

Jul 12, 202437 min

Presidential Immunity

We are releasing a little early this week because this is an important episode and much of the week is a holiday. Trump v. United States : https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-939_e2pg.pdf "The Man for All Seasons" (Final Scene): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODejZPHC9vU&t=2s Dr. Susan Thistlethwaite "Fight On" on Substack: https://susanthistlethwaitewaite.substack.com/p/fight-on?publication_id=1360431&post_id=146086140&isFreemail=true&r=3ag8ix&triedRedirect=true&...

Jul 03, 202448 min
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