The Ts Madison Experience

lifty spirit. Think you want to revisit. So your first like a list of kill folks like your slip all folks that we di No kiss, do what you do, no kiss, do what you don't, No kiss, do what I do? No kiss? Good, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, good, good, good good. Somewhere it's good. I'm looking good at my red and my white. I got some pretty blacks on the side of me, which will be Lauren Hogan. I

guess who came to dinner, y'all. I'm here here, we are here, we are you know, we're still under construction with the Laugh and Learned studio, So we're working with y'all. Like to sign y'all. Shoot, y'all pay for it. Y'all like to sign. Y'all think those cashows? What ch'all think you? Was bad with those cash y'all know I went bad on do Hey. Y'all love to talk about my week, so I went back on do Hey. How about a sign thank you guys for joining us here today and

laugh and learn. We cannot start off the show that I was telling you all that. And not only do I look good and smell good, but I feel good. Lauren, Oh, she's sinking? Why is she taking me later? And we're so glad to join us today. We're so glad to have Nick back because we have not had a chance to do the actual he she we. So today is the actual he she we because all of us are here, and of course Kendall was here. Hi, it's good in the same space. You know, everybody, thank you so much

for the words or encouragement people have been. Like Nick, when you're going back into the studio, I understand a mask was made for me to actually wear the until I perform well today. But it's good to be back because we've been just trying to deal with the challenges of the link with COVID restrictions around traveling everything else. Please no COVID talk today, fun COVID and the VAC scene. Okay,

that's that's the whole COVID conversation today, COVID. We do want to remind everyone who may choose to chime in later that we do have a special guest today. But we want you to make sure that you're typing capital letters and be sure to use the flame to let us know that you're ready to jump into the conversation. Because I'm gonna change my glasses and I can see words up there. I ain't got to look down. I

can look up. You know, looking down, you're looking down into But when you're looking up at it, baby, feel different, hit different. You know, we always start off we're talking about what we've been up to today, So because you know who hasn't been here and how many shows now I've been here, I just haven't been in person, right, isn't it all? That's absolutely? I thought you loved the same right next to you know when they are there. Okay, you know you can always tell what it is chicken advance.

Wait a minute, what happened? How's your week? What you've been up to the week has been good. I've just been trying to deal with the, like said, the challenges around travel. Last week, I got trapped, but it gave me an opportunity to kind of touch on our next thing, what we're talking about, black history. I've been able to catch up and watch that whole series around the Black Church on PBS, you know. So it's available on demand,

and it's fantastic. Guy like four parts, you know, but it's really well done and it's like the history of the Black Church and it's fantastic. Okay, what about you, Mrs Hogan, what have you been up to? Child? Just working as usual? Work work, work, work, work, work, work, work work. After your whole last week's conversation about black history, and then you brought up Billy Holiday. I watched Billie Holiday's new show on Hulu, directed by Lee Dan. You're

starring Andrew Day and Miss Lawrence. Oh my god, Miss Lawrence was so good. But Andrew Day, because I'm telling I'm I'm a Diana Ross fanatic, so I knew I was gonna watching and be comparing everything she did to Ross. I couldn't. Andrew Day made her own lane and stole it. That's not discrediting anything that the Ross Day, but Andre Day was fantastic. She was at her first acting gigs. She was amazing. I believed it, and all of being around her was so handsome. Good God, she was just

giving it up to everybody. I should have been back in those days. I've been saying with that, damn should would have gave it up. Since we're talking about black history, let me because we always talk about black historians in the in the heterosexual community or that we know, we never talked about something the LGBT black historian. So let me go down the lane of Fanny lou Haim because was lesbian, open less bean, but she was a great

freedom fighter. She was also educated at but Throne Cookman College. Um, moms mayblee for long lesbian, always spoke politically correct, always did those kind of it's so many and and here's I hate that when they say think that we haven't contributed, and I'm talking when I say, we am talking to the LGBT black people have contributed to black history as well. Uh me, first transgender stand up comedian to be on a major platform. But we have a guest today is

making history. See history is not always twenty years ago. Sometimes you are in the middle of creating history, like right now is creating history right now as the first black trans woman to have her own reality show, we love that. We're talking about MS. T. S. Madison Hinton, also known as Maddie. She's an American entertainer. For those of you who may be joining us for the first time,

she's an entrepreneur and an LGBT activist. She has also recorded an EP and has written an autobiography, Hard Life, Old or New. And On Thursday March fourth, Thursday March fourth, on the WE TV network, she launches her new reality show called The T. S. Madison Experience. It airs at ten pm Pacific East Coast time and seven Pacific Standard time,

which is out of time. So I want your guests on we TV, and I want you guys to watch, and let's celebrate Maddie because Maddie will tell you her story better than we can, and we're gonna have her come on. And but Maddie came from here. You know they rap song started from the bottom. Now I'm here. Maddie started from the bottom. Now she's here. But y'all

can't take it from me. I can't tell Maddie story what she had plank holding to us because the mandibna get up in here and get the red in y'all be respectful cause the Maddie mob liked to be half bitch. They will cancel your ass by the Maddie Mom. Don't play paging the Madison paging the t s. And I'm so glad she came to the show because we I did her show about a year or so ago, and we had talked before then, because she came to see me when I worked at the club here some years ago,

and things just exploded. And I'm proud of Maddie. But you two have a history YouTube go way back. Well no, no, no, because I met Maddie when she first did a video freestyling on another entertainer, and Maddie exploded from that. It was a baby. She was in her house, she couldn't find what's room. She wanted to city, and then when she found found room, she got the reading and we just fell in love with her from that. In the worst of the great same town, A light of up

host one three. You know, I have not had an opportunity to meet you, but I have been a fan for a while now, because I was introduced to you through Flame. Um, and one of the things I noticed when you all were talking and just talking about doing your own thing and finally making away is the similarity of how you are also making sure you include your family and friends. Why was it important, Maddie to make

sure that you brought the entire team along on this journey. Uh, well, it's important that I brought my team on my journey because my team is it's black and brown and LBGT, you know, and there's there's uh a lack of LBGT representation in media. Um, even though people think it's a lot. And we worked, we work heavy behind the scenes like LBGT people. But I need to bring these people in the forefront that's really making making it happen and make

history happen. You know. Listen, Flame pigh near the door for me to come through, to walk through this type of stuff, because I remember watching I remember being a young girl, a young young, young, young, very young girl. I'm messing with Flame now, I don't tear around the flame. I was a very young, young, young young girl. You weren't that young helper knocked at all? He was only about five years younger than me. Be you don't call

this show tell a little true security, miss Manist. I remember being a very young young girl, honey and watching this this this woman come on stage and and I was a big fan of comic View and the very first time I saw Flame, I was like, waite a man, there this bitch out the train white and then she said, you know, I'm I'm What did you say at the time, Flame, because I don't want to. I don't want to, you know,

I'll be I'm gonna be. I don't know it go from day to day, Hunt, Well, that's where it was. Well when when you you let the girls know, honey, that you that you had you had jump in the trunk and jump in the front. So I was like, all right and all that you know that that was

That was very maddie. You know what. But do you remember when you first came to Long Beach and you came to the club to see me, and then you came to the house, you and uh, who is that I don't know which manager used with at the time. They came to pick you up and we ate and everything, and you're not talking about your past and what I always told you, girl, that that ship don't mean nothing. Keep going forward. Those people who were at haters that was at you and hating on you. What I tell you,

they're gonna disappear. Guess what they did, Maddie, they disappear. Well listen, I can't see him anyway because I'm in my season right now, and I in my season right now, I ain't paying no hay, there's no attention. It's like nothing that they nothing that they could say if they try to freestyle on me. And I love the way that you you integrated freestyle for those people. They don't understand.

You know, we called the freestyle Allan Jones and reading, you know, stuff like that, Like like, no matter how much they're trying to do what they do, I'm gonna say, it's like I see that I'm here, Are you not? So? No, no no. And when I when I said that, I

wasn't telling you to give light to the haters. I was saying that because you kept going forward and you pay that they have all fallen off, by the way, saying Maddie, meanwhile, you're about to be You're about to be the first black trans woman to have their own reality show on WE TV. On a major network, and that's executive produced by yourself. I know what that means, and I know what that does. That's great, Maddie, that's

fucking great. Thursday night, I'm gonna be in Chicago and I'm gonna be sitting in front of the TV with my popcorn perch, bitch, waiting to see you. But I want to see my favorite character on the show because it ain't you. Well, I know it's your it's a girlfriend who cook that whole pig. Miss Mary is my baby, hoody. Let me tell y'all something about Miss Mary, me and Miss Mary Heather. I told Maddie when I was at her house, if Ms Mary was masculine, a little studly,

I'd be your stepdaddy there, I'll be your stepdad. Help. May you know I am? I know I know, Maddie that in the in the gay community and in the trans community, a lot of girls will give you fictitious praise or we'll say I'm happy for her. But but but I haven't done nothing since this announcement has come out and give you praise because I'm proud of you, man. It's one of us getting breaking through, it's one of us getting in and what you have to understand is

when one comes, it's like roaches. You know it's gonna be some more. So hats off to yourself to blow so we can come through. Uh, you left the door open for me and without even knowing you did that. You know, back on comic with you because you know we have a similar style of You know, I can't do what you do and we can't do with each other do but we got our own. Ain't the way we do what we do? You know I learned that from you. But you left the door open for me

to come through. Um and be loud, laughing in color like you know, because flame you know that mouth you got his leatho and all I don't I Madie, I'm so sweet and Leo. Okay, so let me tell you I have Maddie guest favors and she told about my mouth is Leathough. One of the queens in Atlanta was reading Maddie about her prior work. So Maddie made a video.

This was when like Facebook was first popping, and she I remember you're going from room to room because you couldn't decide where you wanted to sit in the marvelous chateau, and then you finally got to the dining room table and you just went in and girl, you exploded. And I asked, like, who who can noticed that hanging on the wall there pictures still there, you know, and you

just exploding. You know what was so amazing to me that when you caught on so quickly, so many haters of girls who wanted to do what you were doing, jump thrown to try to eat at your bandwagon, and they all just fell away, by the way said, they all just stought disappearing because your mama, Miss Mary, who was a prying sister, oh there and a cooking ask let me say that always prayed over you to keep all the b and for you to get where you are now. You lost some people along the way you did.

You lost some people that some people that something. And I'm gonna say it because one person that you work with, whose name we won't mention, I thought you all with the fucking most remarkable team ever. But things don't pan out that way sometimes and you survive that man, and you still standing, girl, you still here. That's great. Listen, I'm still standing because you know I'm gonna press Revere

through it all. And even though a person watching my journey may not like me, or or they may not sign me funny, or you know, I might not be entertaining, but they must definitely say that that bitch is resilient. What is your What is your intention with the new show? Is it too expand your audience, introduce yourself to more people, or to elevate your brand? What is it that you hope to accomplish. I do hope to expand my audience and um, you know, uh, elevate my brand. But I

also want people to learn. I want people to learn. I want to be hope for the hopeless because there are a lot of people out there that that are chasing their dreams and things fall apart, that are chasing their dreams, and the and the and the sheet is pulled from up under them, that are chasing their dreams

and it's just not working out. And I want people to look at me and be like, well, you know, even though I may not be trans the person watching, even though I may not be trance or or I may not be black, or you know, I may not be who she is, there's a piece of me in this person. Um. I want I want people to see that that trans children and and their mothers who love the Lord can have a great relationship with each other. I want to I want to be a part of

healing some of the black family. I want to be a part of tear down a lot of stigma that it is about transack about black trans women. I want to be a part of that. You know, and my mother used to always tell me because there were times and Flame, you know, you and I have talked very incessively about these things. You know. There there there have been times where I used to be like, well, Dawn, you know, everybody just getting nation stuff before me or or this is going on before me, you know. But

I still got to be resilient. If the if one door closed, I'd open a window. If the window was closed, honey, you know, I dig a hole in the ground and crawl up under. I've been down there in that basement working on on myself before people even knew who I was. Just like Flames said, I I made a video that we're viral about me reading somebody who had something to

say about my prior work. I've never ever been um ashamed of my of my beginnings because every piece of my beginnings is a part of my testimony, like that's where I was. People can't hold me prisoner to that because I'm very vocal about it. I'm very open about it. And and they also can see that I have transitioned from that into this. And I want people to learn that transitioning it's not always about this. People transition in the mind. They transition, and and and and their finances.

They transition, and they're living and they living space. They transition in their emotions. They transitions. They transition and in the way and they when that they look. But we all transition on this earth, all of us. We're all we're all transitioning each and every day, each and every every time that we want to try something new, each and every time that we're going after ours were transitioning

into something else. Flame. Listen, I watched you on Comic View Boom things When when when, however they went in your life and then doom they change, Boom hair Gold Tippany has has come and brought you air stay ready, relaunched your whole career. It's it's just something else, you know what I'm saying, Like you transition from one state of being to another. You're transition from one mindset to another, and it comes with age. It does. It does come

with age. And I tell people that even when we're talking about when you say, like you want to help with the trans community. When you're young, you think one way. Five years up the line, you think another way another five and see years you think another way. You constantly are growing when you're transitioning. Everybody who transitions doesn't grow. Let me say that again, everybody who transitions does not grow. And I'm not talking about changing your sex. I'm talking

about you as a person. The drive and the DNA of what you want has to be in you. Everybody can want it for you, but if you don't want it for yourself, you're not gonna get Maddie, I watched you. I remember you calling me thinking that your past was gonna hold you back. And what I tell you, girl, you did that already. You already accomplished that. Now look and that look. Only fans is as popular as that,

and and and and I was, I was. I pioneered that stuff in and even in me doing that in my in my former career, I pioneered the place for black girls to own, to own own that to make money off of that, because what people don't really understand is that the business that I was in way before all of this is a white male dominated business where black people work for the man. And I came in and told the man, nigga, this is what I told

the man, nigga, you got me fucked up. I'm gonna keep all my money, all nine and I'm gonna I'm gonna make residuals off of this until the day I leave the planet. So I made girls want to go and take ownership of whatever of their lives. And it's just if I didn't learn that in that space, I wouldn't be here in this space right now taking ownership of my life. Like like the television show that it's

being produced is executive produced by me. I don't have all the power, but I have power in the narrative of what's going on with my story instead of me putting it in the hands of somebody and they, and they telling the whole a whole, drop down, drag out trans story. Please please explain to people why that is so important that you have that executive producers position and that you will control the narrative of the way you want to be presented to the world. Please explain that

to the girls who want to have TV shows. It's extremely important that you hold that position, because they could they the cameras could come in here and they could just say, Okay, well Madison, this is this is the way we're gonna tell the story of your life. And they can have me some messy trans girl that's you know, still hooking and and and and exploiting that. No, we're

gonna turn this into a whole beautiful thing. This is where I was, This is not where I am, because people can get so stuck into your past and stuck into trying to tell that story of your past, that this is all people will know about you. This is

why it's important for us to control the narrative. This is why it's important for us to to own our masters or whatever it is, whatever it is, whether it's music, whether it's it's it's adult film, whether whether it's writing, whether it's it's you know and all my journey frame. I make mistakes on my journey. I make mistakes. I was I was trying to get in the door um

a record company that I was signed to. Uh, I'm not gonna say they took advantage of me because you know, I didn't know, like I was coming from this space to another one. Um, And I didn't know anything about how to work with contracts and things like that or whatever with with music or whatever. So some of some of the songs that I have, I don't own those songs. But the new songs that I have now I do. Um, even with my book when it came down to my first book, like I got a business with a woman

which which she's gonna receive some litigation very soon. So she has friends that just watching watching, she has free watching. She best to get ready because there's gonna be some litigation laid on her ass. Because you know, we came into this thing and and and and we had a verbal agreement and we and I honored the verbal agreement with the way that we were doing things or whatever. And she she she she took from me, you know. And I still persevere through that. I still did that.

I'm working on another book right now. That's that's actually I may not make shuldn't say this right now, but the book is in development for something else. Um. But that's that's that's over there. And my thing is I can't. I don't let Um, I don't. I don't. I can't let the things that in my past wound me so

that I can't move forward into the future. But I just learned from that, Like these are things I learned from Just like right now, if we talk about my former co host or whatever, because I know you said that you think that she and I had great magic, I do too. However that dissolved. We're gone. Um even even my even my former manager that dissolved, they're gone,

Like we are no longer occupying these spaces. Some people come in for a season and some people come in, you know, for a lifetime, and everybody has their season, and when it's time for the season to change, they will change out. Maddie. One of the things you can't see are all the comments and the people just saying how much they love you, and they feel like they know you already because they've been following your journey for

so long. So I think that you walk in with a certain amount of equity into this show knowing that everyone here I genuinely believe who was joined this conversation when we've been talking about you joining us. Everyone wants you to succeed. So we're all hoping that we can learn and see more about you. And you were saying that those of us who already kind of know you, we will also be coolly entertained and will learn new things about you as well as the new audience that

will be joining starting on March. Warres Well listen. Even in the process of me filming the show, I learned things about myself. I learned how I've learned how in flame. Maybe you can help me with this. I learned how deep my transition really affected my surrounding. Even though I left home during a period of time to try to find myself, it really affected, you know, my surrounding. And then when you when you when a really a good

reality show a good one. A good reality show is a lot of therapy and we have fun and stuff like that. But but I learned so many different spaces of my mother that I was just like, oh, my God, like you know, I didn't even I wasn't even thinking like that, you know what I'm saying, and men, and my mother learned different spaces of me, like wow, my child was was really out here in the world alone and didn't want to be along because I do. I will say this, when we were feeling Us was a scene.

I don't know if it made it or not because I haven't seen that cut, but there was a scene where me and my mother were really talking very in depth about the situation, and I was so angry with her. But I was so angry at her because I didn't I wasn't listening to her. And then in this in a moment there on the show, I actually listened to her in that space, Like the cameras right, it made me listen to her, and it was like I learned.

I learned that I needed her during that space. And I really wish that I had the opportunity to go back and do some of that stuff over. But I can't and do some of that stuff over because lots of things that I was exposed to in my transition. If I would have had the love and the support from my mother that I have now, I don't think I would have. I don't think there's a lot of things I wouldn't have experienced. And I hope that my show.

I hope that my show shows that dynamic between she and I and it helps some other family out there whose daughter whose son um you know whose child is transitioning and understand that they need like you. You you need that like you need it. You can have all the friends in the world and all the people cheering you on the world, but there's nothing like having your own blood, your own flesh and blood have your back. Well, Maddie, let me ask you something too, though, because everybody says

the reality TV is not for them. So what was the moment or the space when you said, this is something I really want to do. Because I'm I'm glad to hear that you're saying you're having all of these moments where a positivity that's gonna, you know, come out in the show. But what made you say, Okay, reality TV was something that I wanted to do. What was

that moment? Like, I know that reality TV is a gateway for many for many different uh things, um and I know that this, this opportunity that we TV has given me has put me in spaces that I no longer have to introduce myself, like coming in like they know now like the TS has she's had a reality

television show. So when I knocked on the door for other things, like other projects, other other other uh create creating other projects like um producing other stuff, or or being on another show, or or or or lending my presence um uh to the to the to the experience of the world. Then people will know that, um I don't need to introduction here, we go right here. They don gave me a whold TV show, so it was

this was my gateway in. You know what I'm most impressed by when you said that you learned some things listening to your mother, because what we don't do, and I'm just not talking about trans women, I'm talking about young kids period, is we don't know the struggles that sometimes that our mothers went through. So we don't know how our grandmothers treated them or how men have treated them over the years because they we were always their children, so they don't feel like they could talk to us

about that. So we don't even know the pain that they have went through, and a lot of times we don't understand it because all we want is our mama at the time, and when when that time, sometimes they just wanted their mothers. So's it's a going on and on process. You said you couldn't change the past, but guess what you can change, Maddie. It's the future. And I love the relationship that you and miss Mary had as long as miss Mary up in that kitchen. Miss

Mary is faaning with me, miss Mary can bird. Let me tell y'all something. When I was at maddy house, I saw miss Mary take the nose of the pig and the tail of the pig and dropped the pig in the hot part of water. When I tell you, it was fucking fire. Though whoa it was called south to meat. I ain't the whole pig. I ain't the ass the hid it up. Now you put a little hot songs on and went to work over it is. It's going to help somebody, though, marry because I mean Maddie,

because somebody does not have that. I didn't have that relationship with Valerie growing up, you know. And I didn't know until me and Valerie sat down and talk years later of what she had went through as a young woman, you know, being mama had me at seventeen, so she had a lot going on. But so I'm glad that you and your mom got a chance because a lot

of people won't get a chance to that. Either their mothers die or the or the kid dies and they don't have a chance to get the heel together to where they can come to a place of resolution, which is what your Mary has done. And see the thing about it in this plane. I just hope, like you know, because I haven't seen cuts up of that particular part, but I just hope if it makes it to the screen, yes, but if it makes it to the extended version online, I hope, like you know, And it's important for me

for that to be seen. And and Flame and and everybody. I'm sorry, I know, I'm just talking, you know, because this girl and Flame. You know, there's such a disconnect with assist gender went black CIS women and black trans women. There's a large disconnecting between and Um, I'm surrounded on my show with women, even Craig, you know, but Craig gonna get you, you know, Craig of time, like six days after week okay, five, But I'm surrounded by women

on my show. And my new and my new business manager, um Legra has really stepped in it and it has become like my really good friend and I love her

a lot. And we went on a journey together where um Um she was having some things done to her um Genitalia, and I learned a lot in that, you know, and I was I'm really fussing at the network and fighting with the network, you know, for that scene to make it into the show, because it's so important because in that space, she and I had a very deep conversation on the on the similarities and the differences in between black trans women and black SIS women, and how

instead of us being at odds with each other over over ignorant chicks, that we need to be coming together because you know, we're both a marginalized group, so you know it's important. Well, you know, I not see I got Lawrence in here, who is a biological woman, because a lot of women that I mean, my circle don't like the term sis, you know what I'm so respectfully, we don't. I don't say sis because the women in my spaces don't like that work, just like a lot

of them don't like the word fish. But you know a lot of us complaining about the word training. I don't Maddie wouldn't be cut from the same cloth a lot on a lot of these terminology things, because we know what it is, we know what we're after, we know what we're trying to make money and just put our brand out there. What I do like the fact is that you're surrounding yourself with biological women. I'm gonna

say biological I know you say sis. I'm gonna say biological women because you'll see that the loyalty of a biological woman will stand the test of time with you. Now, if you've had a bad experience with a biological woman, but wait a minute, you've also now you've got a new one that you're working with. You know, Lauren is my manager now, and she's a biological woman. I've had another manager who was a biological woman, but I had

issues with that. It's not gonna always go well. So even if I had a trans woman or trans man. Sometimes people should just don't work. Sometimes you just and we can't keep putting it on and say, oh, this woman didn't do for me or this man didn't do Sometimes people just don't. Jail and Maddie, I'm glad that you God knocked all the extra off of you to get you to hear, because you would have been carrying a lot of dead weight with you had you taking

that with you. And sometimes, like your things said, I'm the ball. Sometimes you got to beat the balls and know how to be the boss. Everybody don't know how to do that. But but for me, I'm telling you this whole experience, like, yes, the show is the show is uh, the show is cut around being funny, Like like I really wanted to come in and be a breath of fresh air on television. I ain't have I'm forty three years old, flame. I ain't got time to be busting a bit in the head with no bottle.

I ain't got time to be throwing no no drink across the room. I'm too old for that. If you don't want to watch, if that's the type of television that you want to watch on the test mass experience, it's not the show. Now we do read because because Craig the International House of Writing Store is a very shady I learned that about your good Judie Craig, creg very safe Greg and shady. Maddie. I have I have to ask you this, you know, because people want to

know this too. It's obvious. Ever, you're beautiful woman. We know this. Will we have an opportunity to watch Maddie? Maybe fine Love, Maybe that would be season two. I mean they've already been talking about the direction of the direction, you know after this season, you know, because I've seen a few people that too much for one person. It's gonna happen to be like a group on a couple of people. Anybody can do that. Well, Listen, you're know

we're flame. I think that, I think and I've I've talked to I've talked to the network about this because I know they've been very They've they've been leaning on me about master So what are we gonna do about you? Like you when when you achieve all of these goals that you're setting yourself out there, that we're in your life to help you achieve these goals, what are you gonna do about the goal that we can't help you achieve?

And that's love? What you're gonna do about Dad? We need to sit we need to sit our foot in that. And I'm very much so like I have to be honest because there were spaces on there. We talked about this on this in with Tiffany. You know, Tiffany, my girl tipping the new Listen, the love of the Tiffany is is something crazy, ain't it? Ain't it? Oh my god? Tippy Paul has been crazy long time, you know, but Joe Tippity love you at my Tippany loved me and um,

black black biological women. Yeah, and listen, I'm supported him, said black biological women. I'm supporting black trans girl out there. I'm supported heavily by my trains girls too, because they get it. Like my trans girls, they get it. And I'm supported by my black women, my white women too, you know. But they asked me this and I said. My answer was in a scene. My answer was talking to New York that I have been wounded and I'm

openly saying this now, so so whoever watching. I'm not a bitter or bash but I have been wounded by by the choices that I made earlier in my in my transition, you know, based off of what I needed to do for survival, you know, survival sex. It's what kept me, kept the lights on, and because I was introduced to that's so very young. I don't have any I don't know if I have any love or emotions outside of a sexual attraction, sexual uh, financial, a transactional

affair with a man. I don't. I don't know how to do it. Yeah, that's my last you know, girls down there, yes, get you a trans Man. Maddie. See, that's what you need. You need to get your beautiful trans man. You have the whole package, the whole complete see, because I understand where you had with the love thing, because that's one of my lands. I'm not as scared of a new alert, of a new love. I'm afraid

of an old hurt. I'm not scared of a new love, but I'm afraid of that old hurt because i couldn't handle it. And I've been had my heart broken bat Man and bad Woman. What's left for cat ship? Well, Maddie, Well, Maddie, tell us too, because you guys talked about how you have a Tiffany and Flame has a Tiffany. You know, Flame has always talked about her relationship with Tiffany Hattesch. What is your relationship like with Tiffni Polard and what is she doing for your show? Tiffany polit is like

my fairy godmother. Um, she she comes to the show. She she she's she leaves her experience on reality television, Like I don't know anything about reality television. All I know how to do is make people laugh. Um, so she leaves her her experience of that, and I really you know, I really want her to be a part of all the things that I have going on. Um uh.

And plus she's my friend, like she calls me and checks on me, she prays when she she comes here, like I can call her about maybe any any freaking thing or whatever. And when all of this stuff was going on publicly, which I want to, Tiffany called me and she was just like, girl, listen, queen, you got to understand that you were starting this kind of stuff happens to stars and you can't. You gotta let you gotta not give that ship no energy or nothing like that.

You got a really big future ahead of you, girl, and you gotta focus on that. Even though I know that these things that would talk to me by my mother and I know Grandma last coming out, let me put it on, even though I know would talk to me by my mother. Um, it's good to hear a girlfriend to come through, especially somebody who that who you looked up to and you like and she's crazy and the mother like, you know what, You're funny and crazy

and we feed off each other. Ms. Maddie, you look like you took to the vaccine with that one last show on that one Okay, that's the question I want to ask. And I said, I was not gonna talk about the vaccine, Maddie, how are you planning on taking the coronavirus vaccine um? To be honest with you, Flame, I have to work and this pandemic has really stopped me from having a premiere premier party. Just last year, I was at Walking and Timmy. I knew that. I knew that my show was green lit when I was

um at Walker and Tammy's uh premiere party. And when I got there, my girlfriend Lauren Who's Who's Who's an s VP over it, and we she said, you know this is gonna be you and and in three hundred and sixty five days and girl, three hundred and sixty five days later, we are now, you know. So it didn't stop the show, but it didn't stop but it didn't stop the train because the show was still airing

on the four. It didn't stop us from filming, but we felt we were we were we were so protective, just like you said, what what you guys had to do over there at the I heart we were so protective here, like girl, these people come through here with these these frame machines. They if you if you touched this, somebody's behind you wiping it down. We getting tested every other day, like all of that stuff was going on

in the creation of the show. And we can't do that at a premiere party, like girl, we can't test there about it the dough honey. So so I couldn't have a premiere party. But what but what they did tell me in season two, um, in season two, and what they did tell me in season two, honey, it's the pandemic is going out of the way that we were there for to live, be having hey and in order on her to get to a season to Maddie mom inflame, man's guess what we got to do. We

got to watch and support this ship. Yea, and every Thursday, because that's how you get to a season. That's how you get to us. They don't how many of y'all watching right here on social media. They want you all to watch it on TV. So yeah, you know. But the break about it is, I know we got some I know we got some folks that be saying like, oh, I ain't, I ain't. Don't worry, you got too, because maybe that's why we talk, that's why we reach a whole new audience. And this is why we began the

show the way we began the show. We needed to introduce the new audience to all the characters, all the key players that's on the show. We needed to let them know that this is what happened, this is how That's why I went all the way back to me street walking. We went all the way back to that story.

Like in the first fifteen minutes of the show. If you if you got haven't seen um the teaser or the trailer um, I mean the first look, you get fifteen minutes and thirty something seconds of what went on in the tape of the show. And I know that some people said, with damn, I've seen that with with with uh, with with Sophia, you know, on the show. And now I'm like, we were taping all we were

filming during that time too. We were we we've been filming the show for a year, but the pandemic made it, you know, made it to where we had to pace it like that. You know what I want to ask you many because my mentor was Tasha Thomas, who I learned so much from as far as hosting and being a comedian or whatever, and I know you had a girlfriend that you lost a couple of years ago that was your mentor. She was actually the one who got

you into the whole business altogether. And I want you to pay homage to your sister and friend and explained to us the audience that does not know who she is and why she meant what she was to my girlfriend that's hanging over the under wall. It's t s E. If there I placed, tis even my life, because I think I would have. I think, honestly, I would have been walking the sidewalk until until I found my place.

I would have found my place, But I mean I would have been walking that sidewalk for a long time and a T. S Eve. I don't know what it was about me. I think it was I guess that she and I linked. You know, she was a Gemini and um, I'm a Libra and I don't know what it is a relationship between the Gemini and Libra. Something crazy. Um she uh, she reached out to me. I was very sick from I got pumped with some bad seal

on it. I talked about that on my show, you know, getting pumped with bad silicone, Like the whole experiences I got pumped with some bad CEO and I end up having to end up losing everything. And I had scars and stuck on my body because of the seal. And I remember her reaching out to me and saying, girl, when you get better, you know, come and try try something new. Come, Come and um you know. I came

here to Atlanta. I didn't have a place to live and see, this is why my story is so important to me and to those people that want to get it. I came here to Atlanta. I didn't have a car, I didn't have a house, I didn't have a bank account, I didn't have nothing. Okay, I moved in with this woman and she started showing me the ropes of of once again, I was still in the sex place. She showed me the work of of of internet. She taught me how to read uh uh C, S, S and HTML.

She taught me how to how to do that M how to video edit, and I got I had a camera that one of my girlfriends from Florida gave me name Juicy, Miss Juice, and gave me a camera and she told me to go out there in the world and go break some content. Back. I went out, I started making a little porno flicks with my with one of my pieces of trade that I did. I had been messing around with since I was about sixty years old. I was, and we made a lot of lots of

videos together, and I came back. I edited the videos. She built my website. I put my my website up online. I started making money off of that, you know, because I wanted to know, how were you a girl that was able to lay in your bed all day and tell and not answer your phone? Girl? Because all I know is about selling Gucci, So how are you in the bed? She said, Girl, I got a whole website. So she taught me that. And then then then this

is what I appreciate about her the most. I didn't know how to heavily read htr mail colds, but she up. She she put my website together, and she put the videos up. And then I was like, oh my god, like I started, I gotta taste of inter like like weekly money and you know, good chain. Girl. She started saying, oh, I'm not updating your website. Girl. If you on your website updated, you do it. And she threw me out there,

and I remember me being so mad at her. Mad and sitting in the room on the computer trying to get these codes right to update my website. And I updated my website and it was it was all shifted, it wrong or whatever. But the ship was updated. And she came in and she she she she put a code in it, and it all sent her in a line. And she said, this is what you're doing, she said, And from now on, you are in charge of making all the money that you want to make for yourself.

You don't gotta ask me for ship. And I love her. I love her for that. And the biggest thing that I could have done for her flame was at the end of her life. She she had um she had diabetes, and she was she she was ill, and she came here and she lived with me because she had a whole situation that was going on with her landlord or whatever. We moved all of her stuff over into her storage and and she put all her stuff and she came

and lived with me. I was able to give back to her what she gave to me, like in the ends of her life. And that I'm so complete in the inside knowing that I was able to give. I was by her bedside when she when she went away, you know, so for me, God let you having full circle moment was full circle moment enough. People don't give a god enough credit for the ship do they don't? Because God do a lot of ship that y'all don't give him credit for. Why don't you Me and j C,

Me and that need so cool? That an't adored me and your addresses in out? He just saw with me and having right now? Because I talked too much, you're talking about the Father. You came me say that girl, you're gonna get the girls upset you though. You can't talk like that. They say you only talk like that when you're around me. I say that, ain't I ain't around Listen listen to Father to start and the Holy others. Well, there's some bad motherfuckers, ain't it? All three of them?

And you know I got them toy have homeboys and hears them too. Of disciples, because you know one of them was the training that's one of my girl. One of them is that girl? What I was a training girl. I don't know whichever one one A dresses the most. That was definitely the training. Do you think it was Judas? No, I don't think it was Judas it was what was that other nigga's name? Oh we might have been Paul. That sounds like that's not like name. It wasn't you know, Maddie.

What it is. What it is so encouraging is that because with Zaya Wade coming out and her dad being right there to support her, and Miss Mary being right there to support you even in your adult years, some key it out there, some young kid who's confused on their situation or not sure about their identity will see you see this show and be encouraged enough and a parent to say, hey, no matter what, this is still my child. We're gonna find that way back. We're gonna

find the space and love. It's going to do a lot of good for a lot of people. Maddie. I'm proud of you. I'm telling you right now, bitch, I'm proud. And you know I called you all the time and you owe me because I sent you twain Ours every time I got my hook up. Yeah, you know I meant that. I'm checking in with you when you get back to the ad because you because I do like the big old Dicky. I've been an attack that bitch

with a new reality show on TV. Look playing somebody down here, say if they really saying the N word when you're doing a live interview, you should know how to talk and speak. Listen. The reason why these people here is because they know what we give. They know what flame gil, they know what we give. They know this is Listen. People ain't tuning in to watch us be something can cut up. You know, we unorthodox girls.

We don't follow the We don't follow in the line and and and and let me let me go a little further on that. We're not unorthodox, Mattie. This nigga, the word nigga, Let me let me break down, let me let me get up in here. Let me break down the destruction of the word nigga that was created by white folks to control Black folks when they brought us over here. The word nigga and the Black community has many, many, many different levels of meaning. It can

go from love to kindness of joy to hate. If I'm in a comedy club and somebody walk up to me and I've had it done, say man, that nigga did it. Nigga, you did your thing. I take that as a compliment coming from a man, because in the Black community, that is a compliment. If he walked up and say, nigga, that ship was funny. Is here? I take that as a compliment. You an't create all some

of these issues yourself. If you don't like the word nigga, the nigga word on this page, leave and take five of your friends with you, because what you're not going to get is the unauthenticity. I'm a genuine bitch, and so is this bitch on the other side. This is who we are. Why would we ain't who we are just to please what you want? Baby? That's what's wrong

with the world. Now understand that just like Maddie say, she doing her thing, can't know a bit to do what she does or what I do, or what you do. If you see yourself because you keep looking in the mirror and seeing who you want us to be. Looked in the mirror and see who you are. That's why I'm asking you look and see who you are, because I know what's up to this week a ball fade and you know I ain't called my hand about a month. You know, Well, Maddie, let me ask you a question.

So I'm I'm hearing some of the things that you're talking about in terms of and I'll say since gender, I don't have a problem with that, um, since gender women versus transgender women women of all different shape, sizes and colors. But you've also really talked about the trans community. Do you see yourself as being an advocate for the community or what do you feel your role is or may not be? Um, you know, I was thrust into that.

I really wasn't trying to be. However, any any transperson that occupies a large platform and has big media presence, it becomes that without even knowing, you know, and and by me being looking and by me and Flame occupying big spaces like like we do, I do feel like for me and and listen, Flame, Flame my bitch, and and and as as much time as that we'll be on the phone pus and I'll be protecting her on the outside too. Now she doesn't got mad at me

for saying service something. She doesn't check me on that. But as much as I'm always fighting because I feel like what we cannot do is take away a person's individuality, Flame is Flame, and that's who she is. She is a transformer. She loved living and color. She's outspoken. That's what she is. And her experience. Her experience got me to have my experience, which will have the next trance person to have their experience. And we are all individuals

who who can't speak for everybody. You get what I'm saying. There are a lot of things that Flame talked about that that I concur with completely, But then there are some things that i'd be like Flame a girl, you know what, that does not mean that she's not a trans person and that that's not me, that she's not a beacon for our community. Like she's opened up doors for me to pick to walk through. I'm opening up

doors for other girls to walk through. You don't like the way I'll represent represent bit to come out of be the representation. I tell people that all the time. If you don't like how you being represented, you come out and you start representing. Turn on your camera just

like I did. I turned on my motherfucking camera where with the word I did nothing that it is this ch record they land Maddie Maddie when they when when they do a time capsule and sending after space and two hundred years and now they're gonna put that line affiliated with you? Is it on? Is this bitch record? You know. I don't want you to be nobody else flame but you they say, they say, you say problematic ship. They say, I say problematic ship. You know, and we

might do. But these are are these are our experiences. These are ours. Let me ask you, though, Maddie, so with one the trans girls community, the trans community has made such strides. We have really made leaps and bounds. You being the first black trans woman to have your own reality show. We have a state senator, Sarah McBride and Delaware. We also Joe Biden disappointed a transgender doctor

to be on his team. When I tell you that we are moving forward, Joe Biden lifted the band on the military so that trans people can be in the military in a safe space. Up holding. I'm just saying, Nicholas in the military, he no better than not do, but in a safe space. So we are making strides forward. Please let me ask you, as a trans woman, what do you think as a trans woman of color? Because I can only speak about us because I'm a trans

wormer color. What is holding us back from just really just crossing over the threshold to the to the whole world just receiving us. Um. I think the biggest thing that's holding us back is uh, and you want me

to be honest. Holding us back is everybody trying to make us all one thing, like like I do I think that, you know, like there's so many different facets of us and so many different looks of us, like they all want us to be either skinny or or we need to be proper, or we need to be political, or we need to be like each one of us is delfriend. And I think that we are our biggest hole back. The only way that that we will rise is if we pull each other up. And I think

that we don't pull each other up enough. That's one of the biggest downfalls that we got. We don't pull each other up enough. We don't root for each other enough. Like why is it there no trans NICKI minage? Why is there no trans Drake? Why is there no you know, you know trans people who have the talent that these that these these people who we idolize and worship. Um,

why aren't we occupying no spaces? You know? Why? Because the first day we say I ain't watching that, I ain't I'm not finished, I'm not buying that that's a trance. Why would I buy that I ain't doing that. I

this is what we do to each other. And because we do this to each other, we we were, we remained in this space, and everybody else around us elevates because we we are so only des in pushing and pushing these people because we want to be accepted by these people instead of accepting ourselves and rising ourselves up to the top. But you know what, t S. I think that's where I'm gonna push back. I think that's

exactly what you in flame have done, right. I think that you have created a space where people who may not have been familiar with you and what you bring to the table, You've created the space. Just from the fifteen minute trailer. I am more invested in seeing this now than I was in the beginning because of your relationship with your mother, it was your relationship with friends. The way you all created a family is something that

people relate to. So I think that what happens is it's less about members of the community pushing down or ignoring we don't see it right. So now we see WHOA T. S is. A working woman. She's the boss like everybody else. She's running the show, she's producing, she's trying to write, she's looking at the outtakes of her show, She's supporting the team and encouraging them. All of that is part of the brand and part of the industry that you are. And I think that we just had

not seen it before. And this is what you bring to the table. Well, I think that it's the reason why you see it with flaming that because we understand. We're at an age where we understand that you you you need I needed her to walk so that I can walk to you know what I'm saying. We understand that like lots of people don't really they don't get it like we We've transitioned to be in this mind

space so that we can understand and receive that. My team is so important to me on my show because they're all LBG key and I need them to win in this space because they'll open the door for the next set of LBGT people to do it, and it will it will help us rise. And I do think, and Flames tell me if I'm wrong here, I do think that we will go out and we will support a whole group, a whole set of folks, like I was saying earlier, and and and turn the turn of

the blind on on our own phone. You don't think, well, let me tell you this, Maddie. What you're not gonna get. What you're not gonna get is a lot of other girls telling you openly how they're proud of you because as trans sistors. I don't know why we do that. I don't know, like you said, I don't know why we don't uplift each other and uphold each other, but we're quick to tear each other down, starting with this whole council culture thing. Understand, mad you can't please everybody.

You know that already. You can't please. You're never going to try to. And whenever you try to speak to please everybody, you're gonna sunk yourself up in the process. Right all you please, Maddie. I do love that you have surrounded yourself with your your loyal team. You got Craig, you got Cheat, Cheat, you got Mama, you know, you got Mo, you got Oliver, and I met I met Oliver, I met Cheat Che, I know Craig because Craig interview me before. Of course I met Mama Mary. But that's

showing right there. What you're doing is what Tiffany Pollard did for you and what Tiffany had this year for me. You're bringing somebody else on so your people may get something out of this, and then they'll bring somebody else on. It is right. That is how you do it. You keep paying it forward. But I'm sorry in our community, and I'm not talking about just black, I'm also talking about LGB T two. We hold each other back because we don't want somebody else to say you're the first.

You're the first one. I am proud that you're the first one, Maddie. Since you since they announced this show, Maddie on my every platform, I've been pushing this show. I'm proud of you. I've watched where you came from. I remember the phone calls that you would call me when I lived in my apartment over there, and you would call me frustrated and flame. They're not gonna see me. They're not gonna let me in because of my past. And when I tell you, girl, that ship gonna disappear,

you let that go and just keep pushing forward. You kept pushing for BIT. You pushed forward to TV. Do you know that you are on Network TV? Bitch? And I don't think people get it flame. Listen. I don't mean to tell your business, but every time they're ready to pay, you get paid. Every time you stop telling my business, stop watching it. But really quickly though, I do want to say, though, I don't think that that's just you guys, transistors not really supporting you guys and

you know, lifting each other up. I think that's honestly, women across the board. We kind of have a stereotype where sometimes we like to kind of just tear each other down. And I think that's across the board. It's just not even women. Now that we're gonna do it, let's do it. The LGBT community as a whole, A lot of the gay men and not all, but a lot of the gay men, as much as they live for the trans girls vicariously through them, they don't want

to see them succeed. They want to They would much rather say, oh, you know she's someone so, or like somebody see Maddie for the first time on her show Thursday and don't know Maddie's passed before before they could just say, well, I like her, I like her spirit, I like her personality. Some gay boy in the room and I'm not all the time, but I'm saying what the funk I said because I know from experience, will bust I say, you know she a man, or she

knows she used to be a prostitute or whatever. What What did you gain from that? This is what? When? What do you guys gain from that? Outing somebody or putting somebody on blast, putting another And Maddie is a possible girl, Maddie get a possible face. I ain't passively tell what they No. No, I don't need the pass because when you're get in my bed, you need to know that sticks don't look like songs to baby. Sticks and songs may make your bones, but this none and

a half gonna make you feel good. I just want you to know. Ship you go look at that. I love my legs. Dad. I'm sorry, were supposed to elevate the show. You ever claime, dude. This is what makes it so we're good like this, This is us. They love this type of stuff like I love people that love this type of stuff because I I can't be nobody but me and I love that. We joke Flame and I have always joked about genitalal you. We've always

talked about um. We've always had our differences on on on what trans means and what woman woman means, and and we still love each other, boots, like that's just what it is. You know, even even even Crag that I'm here the comment section, U uh flames, you say, Craig with his new boyfriend. I used sea Craig on that listen. I hope, I hope, I hope when we get a season too, that I'm able to marry Craig. I want him to get married to his man child.

You know, Craig knew I was gonna say. I know you ain't a Mary Craig what you were praying that? You know? I said, I want to marry him. I want to get my certificate so I can marry the children. How you mean the minister. Yes, let me tell you something, Miss Mary, ms Mary. That could be Miss Mary's business. This Maryica married people and then cook the dinner form and everything. Come. It's Mary asking burn up in the kitchen. All she needed a chair, y'all give this marry a

chair bit to you and Trump. I need to do it because I need to be the one. Because Craig talking about something. Craig really tried to dissect the way how my life is about love, you know, because he's gullible for love. That's not that he is. He ain't never been nobody else. He never been a hole. He's only been a husband's mistress. So you know now he don't gay that up and he read it to be he read it okay for love and all the wrong places. I am. I want to be married and all that

by two. So I'm gonna figure it out. Matty. I would love I would love to see you have a love interest on this show season two. That would be hilarious. I would love to see you handing out roses each weekend. You said you don't know what it is you're looking for, and you can be hard to love that. I think it is up to the right man to earn that love. He needs to show you how he can step up.

And what better coach or partner? And all this an Tiffany holler, right, because that would that Well, the question is are you open though? Are you open to that? Because Craig so he want to go out there and find me a man, but you know I trust him not finding me a man, because he would have man. And Cuig is faithful lord, and he don't mean, let me tell you something. You're gonna find you a man and be detested the waters to let you know what I do that go to do Craig like that he

is faithful. Uh, look that he's all topped. He is topping during the whole relationship. Okay, let me take this week and hold on, wait a minute, we went were taking weeks because you know a girl, Can I ask you a question, is is Regina doing your makeup on the show? Yes, Reginna is doing my makeup on the show. Yes, so so so my makeup Stephen, Stephen Barry is doing my makeup like because you know, we gotta like, we gotta get COVID tested and we gotta rotate that stuff out.

So I got a good team in there. Um um, Austin is doing my hair. Whitney's doing my hair like you know. So I oh, and let me say this. It was imperative before I even started taking the show, Before I what I sold the show to World of Wondering. World of Wonder and I got into bed with each other. It was important for me to make sure that I'd explained to the World of Wonder that I need my crew to be Black and Brown and lb G T two and women. I need that because all that all

that minority on anything that's minority. I need that working on my motherfucking staff because then we know how to tell a story. We know how to tell an underground story. We know how to we know how we need to look up under the lights. You know. Now, I love I love v H one and I love RuPaul's Drag Grace. But bitch, my makeup was sitting before I went and sat down. Now, you know that lighting be something else. My show was lit so well. I gotta give a shout out to my two to the DP. He's a

straight guy. His name is Jamal Simmons. Jamal made sure that we were colored colored right like it looks. You've seen it together. You know what, Maddie, I watched you on RuPaul's Drag rac A two weeks ago, and you know I don't watch the show. It's not that I don't support RuPaul. I think RuPaul has done something, may see things. I just want her to have some trans women on the show. That's one of my issues. But that's a whole another show. How instrumental in getting you

this show was she and helping you get this show. Well, listen, Rude could have leaned over because you know, World of Wonders, who it's who got Who's who produces RuPaul's drag Race? And they were they've been producing all the things that that are Rude Rue Paul. So she could have been a diva and said, girl, I want to run that bit up out of here. You know that could have happened.

She could have She could have pulled that, But she's always pulled me in like I was supposed to have been a judge on drag Race before, Like time and timing didn't work, but it all fell in look at God. It all fell into look at God, Look at God? Like who wanted you know, one of the contestants, did you as a character, Silky Ganas, did you as a character in the whole little when the they call it the Yeah she was good. Yeah, I listen. My show airs on March the four, and I'll be back on

drag Race on March the fifth. But you see how God works, Like who knew that the timing would have been? We didn't know of what this stuff with tim and you know, you doing a television show, you don't know where this area gotta be entited. All of this stuff felt right in the path of what I needed to do. Like people like, oh, well, you ain't never gonna be

on drag Race. It was not about me never being And it was like it needed to line up with my television show, me being on We the Bitch, I'm on we TV and VAH one at the same damn time, at the same time your own words. Back at you, look at God, look at him. And I remember you called I remember you calling me six years ago when I was living at two forty four. You clid and I was in the backyard barbecue and something. You was like, flame, I'm frustrated they're not gonna let me in. And I said, man,

you got to let all that go. That's your pass or you can't worry about that. You just gotta keep you because you know, I kept I kept working and and they're kept being no. It was it was it was no, It was no. It was no. It was no, like it was like it's been no for about ten years. But all of them knows, Maddie, when you get that one yes, it makes all of them nose disappear the wayside.

It makes it your testimony, and it makes you really stand back and look at the timing of stuff like it makes you look at the timing like God was not ready for me to be in those in that place. Right then, God was not ready for me. He just was not ready. He's ready for me to do whatever it is that he wants me to do. He's ready for me to do it. Now. Now is the time he ready for me to do it. T S, I know that you are proud Florida girl, and now you're

living in Atlanta, Georgia. Shows like this often seemed to pull people west. Is that something we need to possibly look out for in season two? Could they uproot t Us and convince her to be an l A girl? Um, listen, if the money right, I would definitely the money's right, I would definitely head over there. Uh, head over there to the guy Damnum, to the l A baby and tear and tear down on the compound, eat it up. If anybody ever had any doubt whether you was my

sister or not, but you answered that question perfectly. When the money is right, I used to I tell him, we used to sell Dick and TV's on the streets. We now sell it on stage, baby, when the money is right. The question used to be are you dating? Are you going out? It's still the same thing. It's just with a contract. Now are you dating? Right? I love the right. That's right, baby. If the cash is right, I will be an l a baby. I listen, I'll

bring this mayor right over there withmen. She'll learned how to dosmss mary wisms. She and there watching the show. I hear she ain't got no hair on one, and Mama said, hey the flame, Hello, my live flame. Helly. Every time this was saying, I go to talking about a script so I stayed back. You know what, we always have time for scripture on this show. Always, Miss, you want to share with us, You can share a scripture if you give me a plate, right, I want

a plate to go with it. Though, Miss, I ain't put the day flame. I didn't. I didn't head, but but you you were spoused to come back. And I had went home and I brought a home bag because you came by that here what I made here, I can't find it. So I went home and I bought a big bag and I brought it back and you never came back. But you know it's coronavirus. De coronavirus. When the corona is over, I'm coming to the new, to the new chateau, and give me some south to meet.

You gotta let me, you know, I don't mind, because I want all y'all. This is what this is. This is my game from everything, how many and my baby like I have told this shot over and over. You run your business. White people run their mouths and your work. Let you work speak for you. Ain't gotta talk you don't you know you don't go that. I'm speaking this to anybody out dere Let your work speak for you, not you. Because everything happening God time whatever it may

not happen when you want it. Sometime we get impatient, we try to jump ahead of God and we mess things up. But if you just can't go through because there's something God trying to teach you through the process of what you're going through, So you gotta wait it out and then keep your mouth off of other people because the tongue your the Bible telling you. And I'm gone because I know this will get aggivated with me. Life and death is in the power of the tongue.

You have to keep your tongue people, because Maddie, keep your tongue off for people it's married. Let me ask you a question. Are we gonna have these kind of lessons on the show, Maddie, We're gonna get these kind of lessons waiting understand that somebody needed that, right, somebody

somebody needs Missen. I told the people when they when when I was asked to be a part of this, I told them, if I can't speak about my guide and ain't no need for me on them her, to come on here and talk about my purpose, my whole thing with me and my child relationship. This what y'all seeing now ain't always been. God has grown me and taught me how to step out of myself and learn how to look at other Stop looking at you know

what you're feeling. You gotta step out of the bicile time and look around and see how would you feel if you was in that same place. Because we all considered run our mouth and say people boring like this, people this, and people that you don't know what that person is actually walking through until you walk through it yourself. We can all sit and say this and that. I have a lot of questions, so I'm gonna let me ask you a question, and taping this show, did you

find out a lot about our relationship? We we found out a lot, and we found out something that we never had talked about that I always felt you. I m hmm. There's a lot of things in this show that came out that learned and the one thing I learned that you walked through. Let me get off film you walk through. This is what kid? I say, this flame on your show good? You don't come on with it.

If they're any parents out there and you have children that are going through these struggles of learning, they just what what gender identity? Make a space. I am a Christian. I love God first. Before I was a Christian, I was a mother. I'm a mother. Make room. And it's also, don't just go for children that's going through genderal identity because what I see in the church that bothers me so much. There's so many things go on the church that I do not like, I don't agree with, but

I ain't nobody. But make a space with your children if they're dealing with something, make a space where they can have a comfortable place where they can come and talk and share what they're going through in their emotion. Because when I look back at my child, when I learned through this show and through as we don't been through talking with one another, when I learned through this to my much walked through a lot of pain. I'm sorry. You know, miss man. We love that raw emotion. And

let me tell you something. If this is the kind of ship we're gonna get on the show, I'm I'm ready for I'm excited about it because I'm telling you these messages or read to some kids, Miss Mary, Don't you want you apologize for that? Don't you ever apologize or being honest about who you are, how you feel about your kids? Beautiful thing. Pain that I didn't know my child was going through. I didn't understand. But child walked away from me, and I didn't know I was

going through somebody hang. I didn't understand what was going on. What happened who never gave me no trouble to bull game became teenage and going through I guess that's my bood was trying to find out what Boo was dealing with. And by me being in the church, I guess the age you've been taughting me being taught in the church.

I didn't make the space for my child to be able to talk to me because my child felt that you didn't want to come me right when we talked about it, and you didn't want me to go through that pain. But the pain that I went throughout the finding out with me and my child did talk. The pain that I felt is when I found out all the pain my child was walking around, all those battles, my child was walking around batting by himself. That hurt.

It be more anything because I always wanted to be a place for my child could come and pull out whatever they're going through. And now with what's going on right now, I might have won there then in a way that my child needed me then. But I want my child to know that I'll hear with you until now, until the day that well you guess one missed me. Are You never stopped playing for your baby, even if you felt some kind of way, you never stopped playing.

The players work. Look look when y'all are now the prayers worked. Yeah, I ain't got a play. I'm praying that you could be a pig the whole day to get out of y'all come and say a couple say I come and take over. Got Miss Mary. Thank you. Well, we'll be loud. We're talking about the things in the show. Oh yeah yeah, miss Mary, thank you, thank you for that testimony. Miss Mary. I'll come to get my pig lady's buddy then it carros out there. Don't throw your

children away. They set you. What I did that didn't change who your child was. That still your child. Because when I go through in flame, you don't see me battering what I'm battering through in my life right now with this lumatory athritis. It's stuff, and my children helped been my source of help, and this one has been what ellbody need. Miss Mary. You raised you raised a good son. Good you're a good son. Man. I'm gonna get out of y'all conversation. You ab I down, and

I want y'all to know. My thing is from this show too, is that I want everybody to know I don't care what to that done, how many times you'd not done it, who you're not done it with? Jesus still loves you. Thank you, Miss Mary. Yeah, Maddie, all

the black blessings. Girl. You came back at you came back at I just I just want to say this I think just hearing that snippet, I hope everybody that's tuned in right now goes and really watches your show because I think more so that's going to help heal a lot of black families that don't understand the various dynamics that you know, different family members may have. It will break down some stigma and hopefully it'll really breed

some more inclusive and just open conversations. So I love everything that your mother just said because I think that might be an eye opener for a lot of black families to understand what their children may be going through. So thank you so much to your mother, because that's going to like a lot of this stuff happening. And we we we don't necessarily one thing. One thing we didn't do that we haven't been doing is really digging

back into the past. So when we get to this situation here for the show, we gotta dig into the pad, like we gotta dig into that and then when when when when you start picking at it, it opens up all wounds. And so we started having these conversations and Craig was there. Craig was a part of the conversation and also trying to navigate. You know, me and miss

married through I don't know. I hope that scene, but it was many things like that that have it with us on the show because we were picking at old things that that that opened up. But it was just like, oh my god, like I didn't, I didn't really want to talk about that stuff. Like I didn't, I ain't wanna do it. You know what I'm saying, But I

had to. I am I'm Floorida. But you know, me and your mom when I first got to the house, you didn't even come downstairs when I came to tip your show for about an hour, Me and your mom sat downstairs and talked amongst ourselves for about an hour, which was great. I know who your mother is, I know the relationship that you have. I'm telling you, man, it's going to heal a lot of wounds. It's going to heal a lot of woms. Yeah, you're gonna make us laugh. You're gonna make us laugh and learn. Like

the show, you'll make us laugh well learned. But what we're going to do now is it's gonna make people accept The acceptance level will be different because people will see this child mother loves her for who she is the next person's mother gonna love and for who they are. It's going to open up a lot of as man, and I gotta answer my sister question. He asked to me, like people's asked me on many occasions, why have I not dropped the ts UM. It's also a part. It's

a part of my whole structure, you know. And I I trade market. It's mine, I own it. I own t S Madison, And um, I just feel like that it's a brand now. It's Maddie, Maddie. It's not just me saying ts MASS. It's a brand now and I own that. And and and my thing is the t S don't even mean what it used to be. It don't mean transsexual medicine number. It mean trend set of Madison. You trend set of Madison right there. It means talk

show man show Madison. It means all of that stuff to me, So you know, and and that's that's just that's why I haven't. Um, I haven't. I haven't a dropped the t S yet because I wouldn't have the t S massive experience. Thank you. You know your mom, man, your Maddie mob is like to be have. Now. Let me tell you something, Baby, somebody say something bad about T. S. Madison. Baby. The Maddy mom is ready to take the heads off,

So y'all better walk a real thin land. But on March to fourth, on the we TV network, The T. S. Masson Experience will be airing at ten pm Eastern Standard time, seven piece pm Pacific Setard time, nine pm Central Standard time. Maddy, We're gonna watch the show because we want the T. S. Madison Experience to be something that is a household brand and name, and we wanted to be talked amongst everybody. We're gonna talk about as much as we can before

doing and after the show. Laugh and learn over here. This staff over here, Lorn Hogan, they Smith myself. We just want to say heads off to you and your crew for doing it were I want to thank you all for having me today. It was good. And then then you called from this marriage. She came out of the room. It's Sunday. Somebody needed that church sermon, Baby, I need it. I take it. It wasn't a scripture,

but it was a word for sure. T. S. Each day, each time we have a show, trying to figure out what the title of that show will be and your mother gave us the title of today's show, Let your work speak for you. That kind of encompasses everything. Maddie. I'm excited for you. Thursday March Part we TV The T. S. Maddison Experience with Craig Stewart, Oliver Mo che Che, Mary, Mama, Mary, Um it is. It is gonna be you of me.

It's going to be uh, something that you've never seen, which you always give you a chance because it's something that we've never seen. So we're gonna sit back. Any young trands out there, any young people out there that's unsure, watch the show to help you find yourself. Watch this show to help you find yourself, because that's what Mandy're gonna do. She'll help you find your Hell, I'm still trying to look at my pants to find myself right now. I've seen you. What was in your pantis That thing

ain't gonna get lost anyway. Maddie, thank you so much. I enjoyed you as always. You look beautiful. We're excited for the mass experience and we all be watching over here. Thank you, Thank you guys very much, thank you, congratulations. Good luck to tell everybody on the crew, I said, hey Thursday, Mattie. Thank you so much, Lady Jim. That was the t s. Madison Honey. You guys have to watch the show on Thursday. Thank you guys for joining

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