NOT HIM OR HER WILL GET MY VOTE, AND THEY’RE THE SAME PERSON

grown a second. We're gonna last cut of the kicking and at the end we leave it, which is a lift dispirit you think you want to revisit, So your first take a list of jim folks like it's lit old folks that we dig it today. Can't nope, do what you don't? Nois do what you do, can't nopekiss do what I do. No we we would officially welcome everybody to laugh and learn. Today, as we can see, things are a little different. Um Flame is traveling on

the road. Nick, you're actually back in the office. So you got a green screen background today and I just hand it back in time to get here because I got back from Florida yesterday. So we've all been kind of scattered all across the place. So how is your week going, Nick, Lauren is actually going well. But this is one of the things, you know, you you took off. I think you took off like on Thursday, right, Wednesday night, Yeah,

Wednesday night. Yeah, because you know, when you were out there, we were, you know, Flam and I were talking like, you know, we gotta make sure we keep that prayer cloth and prayer warriors out there for you because you're traveling away from home and things have gotten so crazy now. Uh that. And again, Lauren, I say this, you know, I know you're a grown woman, but we still see you as young and we sit there were like, you know, we gotta watch out for you, just to make sure

you okay. So I'm just glad you made it back. But my weekend was pretty good. I didn't do anything outside of the norm. You know, I was kind of here. I knew that we'd be coming back into the studio this week, so a lot of it was preparing for that um and just trying trying to be in place for that and getting back into the mental space of actually, you know, coming back into a real office and all of that. So yeah, yeah, but it was a good week.

That's good. Yeah for me. Honestly, I was more so concerned about traveling before the Derek Shown verdict came down. That was my main thing that I was concerned about. So the fact that it came down on Tuesday and then nothing crazy really erupted, and I think, you know, as a whole, we all got the verdict that we wanted. I was able to fly on Wednesday, like with a sigh of relief. And plus I was going to Florida. You know, Florida is crazy, so it was everything works,

it happens for a reason. I'm a firm believer of that. So I'm glad everything worked out for sure, and it was a successful trip as well. Oh my god. Yeah, So I guess I can kind of update you because we haven't talked yet. Um. I did the Florida AIDS Walk. This is from my other job, you guys. Um. And actually we had an AIDS walk in a music festival, all socially distance in Florida, which some people had some

things to say about that, but we got to stay safe. Um. But the music festival component was actually with a little Kim and Trina, Yes, so um I got to work with them. A very enjoyable experience UM. As always, events are very hectic, especially on the talent front, but overall it was so successful. Um Kim brought her daughter with her and they had a little moment on stage. It actually went viral and ended up on the Shade Room with like over four million views US in Hollywood Unlocked

and everything else. So overall it was a super sexful, successful event and we actually raised one point nine million dollars, so that is awesome. I think one of the things too, that makes that so special is that both Trina and Kim have been in the game for a while. They

really are I believe they are icons. You know. They really have to kind of lay the groundwork for so many female artists in the industry just beyond wrap, you know, just being uh female who are writing, producing their own material, moving forward and staying saying viable in a highly competitive field. You know, the game is the game is tough, you know, so yeah, definitely. And the thing is they're sweet and personal.

Well that's always what I look for because I work with a myriad of people in talent, But Kim is a sweetheart and Trina is too, so I always appreciate, you know, folks like that because you know, some people can be up at like, oh talk to my manager, don't speak to me, and we're not like that at all. Helped Trina drove herself to the event and was like, I don't need ground transportation on time. So yeah, they're really lovely individuals and special people to hip hop games.

So it was it was special folks. Catch up folks, because I know you you kind of keep an eye on everything. There Where is Flame today? And why isn't she with us right now? Catch us up? So Flame is in Atlanta, which I'm sure some of you guys have already seen because she went live for her drag show yesterday. But Flame went to Atlanta because she had a drag show, and she's actually on her way to

the studio because she's gonna be multitasking. She's gonna do a live event with M T. S. Madison and Sophia Kelly as well, So she's gonna pop in on here for our hour and then she's gonna pop over to the other show. But she's in route, and of course Lift has been acting crazy lately, so um a couple of lifts canceled on her, so she's just trying to make it to the studio, so she doesn't have any

internet connection issues. But long story short, she's in Atlanta, working, working, working, So you know what, I'm glad to hear that that's not just here. Everybody's been talking about lifting Uber really crazy lately because you know, for the longest, I didn't have a car, so I depended on Uber and lifting

and things have really kind of changed. I'm not sure what has caused that change, but you know, it's definitely been a problem even or uh So I'm surprised that that's the case, even in Atlanta, but clearly there's something happening with the system overall. If that's what everyone is experiencing. Yeah, I think it's across the board, because it's just not Atlanta. There was issues with Lift in Florida that I was having, like it's been everybody I know of it just seems

to be having issues. So I don't know what's going on with their system. I know people are biting drivers next in different things, so I don't know what's going on with the Lift. You know, we see and we talked. I'm going back to Flame here for a second. You you know, we see and talk to Flame multiple times today. And you know, it's just but there's something about Flame on stage that I particularly enjoy and it makes me fall in love with Flame all over again. And I

don't know what it is. I said to Flame that, I said, you know you here with that had those glasses even Bacon, I don't know who that is, but will say I love it. Learn I love seeing Flame perform. And Flame did something in the pantsuit that uh, you know her her her stylist, I'm not gonna say styles her designer, Martin Elliott, with whom she's worked for years. They go back and forth, but I said, I swear it. It's like, if they're not yelling at each other, they're

not community. It's not it's not gonna work. If they're not yelling at each other, the magic is not gonna happen. We know that. So and every time Martin pulls I don't know how Martin does it, but he gets those like a glove and it just looks fantastic. Sure, I just gotta be honest. He can sell his ass off. We gotta say it right, because it's impressive of the work that he does so such a short period of time. Too. Yeah,

and it's Flames. I wanted to do this just any other okay, okay, okay, and then he just gets that machine and he just does it exactly so so I know, I saw a Flame pop up that she's here, um, but she's not coming in yet, so I'm gonna just keep inviting her. But in the meantime, I think we

can definitely you know, start the show, um someone. I want to start more so with like our um less heavy topics, I feel like, because it just seems like every week we've been having such a heavy show, but we just have to address what's happening in the world because I feel like if we don't have these you know, tell conversations and you know, what type of content are we putting out? You know, we have to really have

attention and love what we're doing. So let's start with the lighter stuff and then you know, Flame pop isn't great, um Nick, but I'm gonna turn it over to you though. And it's starting to circle back because Flame wants to join in us because Flame probably is listening and just can't jump in right now, and we know how that goes.

But you know, Laren, you just touched on something because some of the feedback we've gotten, and I do take the time you guys want you to know, I take the time to read the comments and um, people, I've heard a couple of people say, um, it's the same show week after week. Everything is so heavy and you all used to laugh and we still want to laugh. I think that Flame and Lauren and I would argue that, trust me, we want to laugh. We would love to

do nothing but have a show. Maybe what we're talking about, the oscars or the NFL draft and all the things was so much continues to happen that we both that all three of us feel affects the community that it is. Um, it's an incumbent part of us too. It's incumbent upon us to have the conversation because we know you all having the conversation. And that's what Flame has always said from day she wanted to laugh and learned to be a conversation. So join in, jump in, let us know.

If you find a lighter moment, please share it. We you know we we we beg of you to join us and uh and help us to uh keep the conversation light and fun. But we also don't want to neglect our duty and the opportunity that we have with the platform UH to speak on things that affect the community. So I'm gonna go ahead and just jump in there with something I feel like you touched on it, and I honestly I forgot What did you think about the Oscars?

Before we get to I know we're gonna talk about Joe Biden in a second, what did you think about the Oscars? I gotta ask you, Nick. You know what, Lauren, I watched a little bit of it, and I'm gonna tell you I didn't hate it, but it didn't keep me compelled. I write that that makes sense. I think what I liked was what did I like? What I liked was seeing Viola Davis Like I love Viola and there's something about her, just her comfort and her scan, her struggle, her story, all of that that just works

for me. Right. But I think, Lauren, I've gotten to a point where and I'm not sure if social media is the reason why, or the fact that there's so many different platforms to see things. I think I'm just over celebrities that I no longer sit back in awe

when they hit the stage like you used to. There was a time, you know, I think those who maybe also like me and maybe born in the seventies can sit back and tell you that there's a time when you sat there, you waited with bated breath to see what so and so would wear or what they would look like, because you weren't oversaturated with celebrities. You know, you weren't seeing them every day on Instagram, on Facebook

or whatever it is there. You know. So I think that because we see it so much, Lauren, I'm not as um in awe as I used to be, or as enamored as I once was. But having said that, um, there's something about just seeing so many young black faces out there occupying those spaces that used to seem so revered to you know, and in early on um Daniel Kaliga, I always I love seeing him, his mama, his sister, Lauren.

I know it sounds cheesy, but I can't wait to do something like that, have my mama sitting up there watching, you know, and I could feel his joy. Mom, you didn't actually attend what happened with that? I did not attend. I didn't. Yeah, so that was it. But I would have dragged my mama right up in there. But you know, It's one of those things where Laura, I just think that those moments are just so special, you know, when I see these faces that look more like you and me, Uh,

they're receiving and celebrating that joy. Um. There was definitely some highlights at the Oscars for me, like Glenn Close having that moment with Little Carell doing the butt and gave the backstory of it and basically said Spike Lee was robbed. Definitely a highlight for me. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Um. But I mean in the similar vain nick. Um, I'm not celebrity struck or star struck, you know what I mean. Um. And I don't think it's because like I worked with

talent a lot. It's just I've never been that way. Um. So, but I will say is what I do watch these awards shows for is the fashion. I'm always like looking at, like what can I gag at? Like what are the what are the costume you know, designs? They're technically costumes to me, But what is the fashion looking like for the season of you know, these awards season or whatever. So that's more so what I'm being attentive to. Um. On a downside, I was very sad that Andre Day

didn't win. I really felt like she should have won Best Actress for that category. She gave an impeccable formance for Billie Holiday, and it just her performance was just a parallel opposite for me from like Lady Sings the Blues with Diana Ross, because while it was a you know, a true story of Billie Holiday, it just, uh, this new what Andre Day did. It was just a a different raw form that I saw Billy Holiday in a

different light, and it wasn't anything negative. I thought it was something positive in a way despite all of the you know, turmoil and tragedy that she had to go through. So I just really felt like andre Day didn't get her flowers last night. So it was very ready. I think. I think we're talking about two very different movies and both and both can be celebrated in their own way. Absolutely agree. Um, it's like The Wiz is not the Odds, It's not the Wizard of Odds. Yes, those are two.

There are two very different things. Absolutely, I completely agree. And of course Chadwick Boseman got robbed. That was honestly the that was huge for me, Like I felt like they centered the whole Oscars around Chadwick Boseman and then not to give him that award was kind of just like why, was like why did that happen? You know, and and a lot of and then at the end of the program, I don't know if you saw to Nick, the Oscars basically explained how they select their individual folks.

It's almost like they had to justify what they did because they knew they were wrong in a lot of ways. So I just I felt like they gave us, you know, it was a little bit they gave us a foot and not our mile that we deserved. So it was like, here's enough to kind of silence you guys to say that, you know, we're not so white anymore, but we're not going to give you all that you deserve here. We still gotta, you know, stick to our sound fundation of

what the Oscars is. That's just you kind of mentioned. Also you touched on fashion in there, and I'm gonna say this, Can we agree that a couple of those brothers wore some really uh nice looking things like and and this is what you know. I've had this conversation with my mom. Everything doesn't look good on everybody. A couple of things like I couldn't have got out of the way where but it looked good. I was like, yeah, I forget the brother's name. Who were the future like?

And you like sitting You're like, what was he thinking? But it looked good on him. He looked good on his skin and look Keith, that looked good. I'm like, you know what, But I also think, you know what helps to be you know, taller, thinner brother were you

know what what he wore? But I just thought it looked good, and you know, because I think that one of the challenges when you're a bigger guy is finding clothes that are that fit appropriately, you know, because you know, you just can't wear the can't wear you can't wear the high the high ankle pants and things like I looked better dressed bore like Unchael straighthand you know, nicely simple traditional suit keeping it, you know, just just keep

the clean, you know, and doing that. So, yeah, you know your body, you got you gotta know your body. One of the things I want to jump on in there with Lauren. I brought it up simply because later this week we're expecting Wednesday, President Biden to make his first address to joint sessions of Congress. President Biden nears the end of his first one hundred days in office, with the slight majority of Americans approving of his performance

and supporting his majority policy initiative. On Wednesday, he will address a joint session of Congress. He's expected to outline his American Family's Plan, which will reportedly be paid for by tax heights on wealthy Americans, and just breaking down those numbers of adults say they approve of the job Biden is doing compared with for who disapproved. So I think, more than anything, I just want to throw it out there.

I think, um um. I personally believe that one of the reasons Biden's numbers are in a positive direction, I personally think it's because we're seeing less of him. I think that there's something about his lack of desire to be in front of the camera, like the former administration has worked to his advantage. I think, in many ways, the bar for President Biden has been placed so low

by so many. Uh, there's still jokes about his age, there's still jokes about him falling, there's still there's there's always so many references to that that I think that anytime he can actually stand upright and not you know, a slobber over himself. People consider it a win, you know. So I think that's one of the reasons why his numbers are so high. Yeah, I mean, I agree with that. I think that within the first hundred days that he's nearing it, he's not even there yet. I think he's

done a lot for you know, the country. I have to say that. I think in some ways he's definitely playing to his strengths and saying that, hey, this may not be something I need to tackle. So he's kind of given those big policy initiatives of Kamala Harris and kind of wanting her to spearhead that. But I also say that to say two is I think and this is again my opinion. I don't have any sources or anybody confirm this. I don't know if Biden wants to,

you know, run again for president. So I think he's strategically given Kamala Harris some of those big policy initiatives so that way she can kind of step out of her on her own court if she chooses to run. But I think as a whole though he's he is, he's doing a great job. He has he inherited a screwed up administration. Um. You know, not just from the economy, just the policies that were previously implemented. He inherited a

screwed up justice system. Um from the d O J. So I think as a whole, you know, he's trying to fare the best way that he can. Um. So I do I want to give Joe Biden kudos today, um, even for you know, handling COVID. Um Nick, I don't mind sharing this with you because Flame is ready, She's about to come in a second, so we can kind

of have this moment really quickly. Um. I ended up actually getting vaccinated, and I know I haven't even told you that too, so we can, you know, quickly do this because I know Flames not I want to talk about this. Um well, I did end up getting vaccinated. It was a personal choice, like we've always said, but it was something I had to do because I was traveling for work. UM. So I don't know if you want to share your story too, but I gotta give

kudos to Joe Biden. You know, he said some things we may not want to do, but you know, we kind of had to do it. And so because of my own personal reasons. I ended up doing that, and I can't lie. I do feel like I feel a little safer, especially considering I went to Florida, so and that's really why I did it. But yeah, good for you, And did you have any adverse side effects anything you wanted? It was terrible. Yeah, it felt like I had food poisoning. For my second dose, I was very tired. Um, I

had a headache. It wasn't the best feeling. I don't like feeling like I have food poisoning, and it's very painful for me. Um. So I'm not getting any more shots. I don't care about a booster. I'm not I'm not doing anything else. I'm done. I'm I'm definitely definitely done. But yeah, but you also and help me here, Lauren,

you also did it also protect those around you? Correct? Yes? Absolutely? Yeah, So like you guys, we've all said, like I still live at home with my parents, personal reasons, I've got stuff going on. So I had to get vaccinated because I got to protect other people, you know, I just do, you know. So that's what I did. And as you know, I was going back and forth to California to the show and and things like that. I was traveling so much, so I got my I did get my Fightser, I

did Fightser Advisor. I completed my round back in February, you know, and I shared that because I went through the v A. So I was and there were people who wouldn't show up, and they're like, hey, ms Smith, we can do you a blue closed in fifteen minutes, I'll be there and eight. So I ran up there and got mine, you know, and once you were on the first shot, you automatically we're listed for the for

the second. So yeah, like you've had no adverse I've had no adverse side effects, and trying to give space to people who are still trying to make that decision for themselves. But I am happy to be vaccinated. So let's wait and let's bring flame on in. She's ready. So and I just wanted to get the health the way because I I'm not talking about that, so we'll put it out there. Hello fla mans, good morning, because

I'm good. I know such things. I'm I met. I met a studio with Sophia Macintage the world famous, and George and and Gordian it's three here. Would you tell? Would you tell? Sophia. I have been a fan for years Sophia, Nick and Laurence, and they're fans of yours. Fun. We had a great time last night if you weren't trapping and we were people forming tonight. But the twenty one anniversary of Stars of the Century, y'all, I love it, said, I knew I had laughed with our brought my ring

like to do this. So in between, geeess, we're gonna go. So when we talked about right, because I got about two minutes, folks, so we go, like, we want you to know what's going on with you? Lauren and I are just a feeling that you kind of got here. What ain't about me? Right now? It's about Virginia and Ohio, let me tell you something I said last week on Laugh and Learn. If they give us one, they're gonna want team. Fifteen minutes after the decision came down guilty, guilty, guilty,

they shot Mkaire Brian and and killed her dead. First of all, we had to keep looking at all these different stories. We had to keep looking at all these different ways because they were trying to segway to find the way to say that the officer was innocent. Then they went back and researched the officer's past, you know, kind of like that what what they do to the victim. This nigga, the officer was a decorated smartsman from the military. This nigga was William Tail. This nigga could shoot an

apple off somebody's head from a million paces. So when he came out with all this, he wasn't ready. He poured up into commotion. He was a sharp shooter. He could have shot that knife out her hand because he was trained and decorated to do that. That's not what he wanted to do, if you want to know the truth, he wanted a too fir. He shot at her four times because he thought he was gonna get huh, and the girl that she was going to stay. I think I can that you don't like what I say. I

don't give a fuck. Well, I'll jump in here because I think it's interesting that you say that to flame, because I did see on the news. Um, somebody asked, well, aren't you guys you know Marksman's that you guys can shoot in certain areas. And I believe that I don't remember, yeah, yeah, And so I believe that the police chief of um Ohio basically said, well, you know, we can't really do that because we can't train our officers to be that way. So we have to make it general and they just

have to assess the threat. So that was kind of the way of them trying to backpedal. Basically what you're saying in terms of this is why he shot her four times. Huh. He thought he was gonna get a two for So those who are joining a flame was talking about this spate of violence that we've had um and we're talking specifically about the shooting incident with mccayah

Brand mccaya brand. On the same day that the verdict came down in Minneapolis and found uh former police officer guilty of murder and George Floyd, a six year old girl was shot and killed by an officer in Columbus, Ohio. Um mckaya Bryant was shot Tuesday afternoon by a Columbus police officer responding to a call for help at her Foster home. Authorities quickly released body camp footage and the nine one one calls, and they identified the officer immediately

as Nicholas Reardon. Um and Flay mentioned Lauren, how you know he was a sharpshooter in the military before joining the police department. UM, and that has definitely been you know, I think what has happened more than anything but this particular case, I have heard more conversation about this one than I have some of the others. It seems to

me that members are divided. I think that there are people who have kind of felt like officers for years have said that there are usually gray areas to these things, and I think this is the first one where people, even sitting back watching have have even said that, Okay, this one is a little great to some people. Some people don't feel as though this one is as cut and dry as say, maybe what we saw when we saw the killing of George Floyd, that we know that

that there's no way to spend that. In my mind, speaking only for myself, I think that a Derek shove and George Floyd to me was not to be callous, but it was very black and white to me. There was no gray in that. I understand why some people are struggling with how they feel or what should have happened in the Macaya Bryant situation. Well, my thing is this, as a whole I'm tired of waking up and hearing about another innocent black young life being taken. That's just

kind of where I am at this point. And I've seen so many we're going to call them parallel videos where for instance, there was this um individual, he actually had a knife. He was a white man. Police literally were trying to lunge at him to protect him with their bare hands so that way they didn't have to, you know, discharge a taser or fire their gun, and this man was actually lunging to stab the officers. He wasn't shot, he wasn't killed, but he was this old

white man, So of course there's privilege there. But yet again, you know, we have this young white officer that's going into a black neighborhood, just sees that mckaya Brian has a knife on her and shoot decides to shoot her. And the unfortunate thing is this whole situation erupted because apparently the sisters were fighting over who was going to clean up the house. So the fact that it was something something so small and just something so just it wasn't that big of a deal to have to have

her life ended. And she's the one that called the police for help. We always say it's the police's job to protect and serve us, and that's not what they do. So the fact that go ahead, No, And I think that this goes back to what we've talked about from from day one, because even I think even language matters, right because like you said, and you're right that you know, this young girl's, this innocent life should not have to

be taken period. I'm going to argue that even if she isn't, in said, it shouldn't end in her death. You get what I'm staying there. So what happens is it becomes a situation where you have they have put the onus on us to decide, well, she maybe she should have, should she should How about we take another look at training because I do believe that possibly de escalation. I don't know. I was not there, but what I

do know is something you said is absolutely true. It is ridiculous that we continue to wake up day after day reading about seeing video, of learning, of witnessing whatever the thing is, of a another black life being taken um and some type of officer involved incident. Does crime and uh, chaos and killings happen in other areas, absolutely, but we're talking about what we're seeing right now, which continues to dominate the news. And I also believe you

you've talked about this before, Lauren. I believe the media has a role in this, right, Um, I believe, uh. And this is just you know, being a member of the media. I think that we have a responsibility to

do a better job. We looked at the Shavin murder um as the murder of George Floyd and the Chauvin murder trial as if Derek Chauvin was, you know, somehow the only one to be convicted of killing someone, you know, the the the officer who killed the KWA McDaniel is sitting in prison right now, and we should have said that what we need to do. Media is recognized that we need to be reporting on all of these stories.

So that because I felt like so much weight was put on this and Lauren, had this trial not ended the way we all thought it should have, I think the city would have actually erupted, you know. And I think that because so many felt as though, um, nothing has been done or uh that uh finally and and flame touched on this, I think that we've got to do a better job of asking more of our officers. We have to do a better job of asking more of those who employed them to have them properly trained.

There has to be something other than every interaction with an officer ending with the loss of life, particularly those of color. Period. It just it just can't be the norm. Well, my thing is, I think training is a component, yes, but I think at this point in time, accountability is more important because I don't think and this is my this is my opinion. I don't think that when police officers go into training, you have these people saying I'm

training you to kill black people. I don't think that's the narrative. I think that subliminally, yes, once you are integrated into the force and you go on your right along and you're getting you know, trained from other cops or whoever your partner, maybe I think, you know, kind of those things erupt. But I think at this point accountability has to be more so at the forefront than

the training, because cops aren't held accountable. You know, we've talked about qualified immunity, even to the point where Amber Geiger is trying to appeal and overturn her conviction. This week of um Gene botham that she got these tenures, saying that you know, it was unjustined, it was unfair because you know, she was having a bad day. So accountability and qualified immunity at this point are going hand

in hand. For me, it supersedes the training because unless those two elements are actually addressed, the training is kind of null and void. You can train someone to be a great officer, but honestly, if they're racist, you know, like Flame has said, you got crazy ability going into these urban communities not knowing how to de escalate situations because they're just scared all of a sudden, you know, by their circumstances. It's not gonna work. It's just not.

So that's more so what I want to see. And I think that go ahead. No, we talked about we're talking about these incidents. Were literally just talking about President Biden. I wonder too, how much this has played into his

um because there's been no focus. Everything has been focused on so many other things that he's been able to kind of I think, you know, in many ways, they believe beneath the radar, you know, because there had the shop and trial literally has dominated everything we've been thinking about. And black people are still moving and operating in a space of fear, right, so we don't have time to

sit there watching everything that Joe Biden is doing. If we've got to worry about air fresheners hanging from our rear view mirror, if we have to worry about, uh, you know, a warrant being served and and and it escalating, you know that we call the police because someone has come to our house with a knife to attack us,

and then we end up being the one shot. There's just so much happening constantly that I feel like so many African Americans just on un alert, or people of color are just un alert, uh the entire time, that they just can't relax if they just don't have an opportunity to relax, you know. Yeah, I don't know if that's ever going to change, honestly, unless something drastic happens,

whether it's a bill or new policy change. I don't think that black folks in America are ever going to not be on edge, especially in areas where there's rural communities. I mean, even here in Los Angeles we just had an officer involved shooting where they're saying that, you know, I don't know the full story, but an officer police officer ran down a car and then ended up running over somebody in Los Angeles, and we're one of the most liberal cities here, so and I don't know the

full story. So guys don't quote me on everything because we it's not a topic. But I'm just saying across the board from if you want to talk about Blue states and Red states policing and you know, officer involved shootings and police brutality, it's it's across the board at this point because it's it's happening too often. Like I said, I'm tired of waking up and hearing about another case. We can segue this into Andrew Brown, Um of what

just happened today. I just saw that the officers refused to release the body cam footage and now all of a sudden they did. They let the family view it, and it's only twenty seconds of what happened. So this is what we talked about pulling people accountable. So Nick, if you want to break down this story to please, yeah, we're talking about North Carolina. Sheriff says that he wants to body camp frontage of Andrew Brown Junior's fatal shooting to become public, but he was being over he was

being overstepped by higher agencies. He's followed a motion um to have that video really Brown affording to euro black man with shot and killed Wednesday by sheriff's deputy as they tried to serve him with an arrest warrant. Meantime, body camera footage of definite shooting um Um has been released, so now people are having a chance to actually see that learned. I think this is something that definitely has

become a residual effect of the shop and trial. I genuinely believe that the reason so many with Makaya here are pushing to release videos because I think they understand that the best disinfectant in sunllite, right whatever, let us see this video. I think that's the reason why we saw the video so quickly with Dante. I think that's the reason why we're seeing this video so quickly with Makaya.

I think this is the reason why we're seeing so this video so quickly with Mr Brown um And he's noticed how they released that audio um and and the video of this other shooting, yet another shooting of where the officer gave the guy a ride home before coming back later that day, and I think that was Isaiah Brown. Well, I don't, but I don't think that it's fully transparent.

I don't so. And I say that because even with the you know, trial of Derek Chauvin, there was other bodycam footage that we never saw until the prosecution actually brought it as you know, an exhibit of evidence. So they say that they're releasing this body camera footage, but I'm, in my opinion, I'm noticing there's always another angle or another video that's actually not being shown. And even in the case of Andrew Brown, this bodycam footage that was released,

it was only twenty seconds. That incident was definitely longer than twenty seconds. So where's the rest of the video? And why is it that you guys don't want to show it? Is a doctor? What is it? And that only adds to the distrust that black folks in the community have, where I'm just gonna say people of color too, because you know, we just had Adam Tolato who was murdered by the police in Chicago. People of color in general.

That's why there's a lack of trust within um US in the police officers, because when these officers involved shootings happened. We don't get the full story, and it seems like we never get the full story unless we're able to get to the point of a trial where charges are brought. And nine times out of ten, that's not what happens. So, Lord, aren't we passed the point where? Shouldn't we be passed

the point? Why aren't we passed the point where in order to get this justice or some type of recognition, it takes UH people marching in the streets, you know. Why? Why isn't it just part of the process that these things one aren't happening and to when they do. It should not take communities coming together to march in the street in order to fight for their share of justice,

you know. And I think that that has to change, which may begin with one of the other topics that you brought up, UH to talk about today with the d O J. Yeah, honestly, nick Um, I'm tired of seeing protests. I'm tired of seeing the signs. I'm tired. I'm I woke up like my heart was just so heavy today and it's unfortunate that we continually have to protest, and I I'm reaching to a point where we might have to shift. Everybody was mad that Colin Kaepernick was kneeling.

You know, he was black balled from the NFL for that, But wouldn't you rather us kneel at this point than have to have all of the outrage that we have. I don't know what has to happen, and I don't never want to resort to violence, but it's almost at a point where we have to start doing unto them as they do unto us, to maybe that we see a wake up call. Chris Cuomo said that, you know, cops are gonna have to start killing white kids in order for us to actually have any type of new

police reform in any aspect. And honestly, day by day, I'm really starting to believe that because black bodies just don't matter at this point. They're just proving to us more and more that they don't care about these black bodies, especially kids are getting murdered. Now, Like, how do you have a sixty year old girl that's robbed of her life and then you try to poke at her and

deny her of her childhood innocence. She's a child, so to treat her as if she's anything such just adds to the ultimate problem that we see every day that they just don't care. So I don't know, you know, the claim and that we were first talking about this story because one of the you know things that we're reading young woman killed young woman. I said, you know that young woman was She's like Nick, she's a girl. She was not a woman. She was a girl and

had her childhood innocence robbed. That's just how I feel. I just don't know if marching is going to be good enough anymore. It may have to be something else that we have to do. So oh, and I think justice should be equitable across the board. That's ridiculous. But I also say this when you're just talking about how the Chris Cuomo's comment, it also reminded me of something, you know similar I've talked about military service. I believe that until everyone has skin in the game, people won't

appreciate those who have served. I really do. And I think that until every politician's child has to serve um, I think that you will be much more circumspect in decisions to send young men and women off to Afghanistan, Iraq, second and third tours of duty. I think unless everyone has skin in the game, people are not invested. I think everyone has to have a skin in the game. And education, everyone has has skin in the game. In housing, everyone has to have skin in the game. And healthcare.

Until we're all in it together, it can be a some versus others game. It can be less and more. And I think that unfortunately, there are appearance of a different hue who don't find their children in these situations, and because they don't, they're having a harder time aligning with those of us who UM often find ourselves UM in these confrontations with police that don't end UM in

a positive result, just as simple. And I think that people need to understand, and I think there are people who have um empathy, but I think they have a hard time truly aligning and recognizing because I think they do the But four, well, if you had just you know, I've seen Lauren, and you know she talks back a little bit, so I'm sure she mouthed offted that officer. Why couldn't she just or you know, Nick is kind

of big and he is kind of dark. Why didn't he shrinked himself and why didn't he say yes, sir? And I say this to you, Lauren. I think I told flame this. I told you this. The story that bothered me the most in the last two months was definitely that lieutenant who I felt like I did everything right. I saw myself and him. I would have yes, sir, Mr. He did everything but tap dance, and it still wasn't good enough. I'm gonna open it up to the flame ets.

I know somebody that wants to come in here, specifically because she's been throwing flames up this entire time. Hey, miss Jess, how are you just hied me? I've been waiting on y'all to bring me at home, but I only got one minute. I'm on, I'm on borrow. Here's the thing, though, you know, because I know people have a blanket statement to have certain feelings about um people of a different hue, which my husband is of a

lighter hue. UM, not all, not all people are bad people, and not all people UM of a certain job are bad people. Because yes, you do come across bad people, because I've seen it. Some military people are not as nice as others. I've experienced that. But I tend to as a civilian and as a mother, I've tend to tell you know, like, hey, you know what, I don't appreciate that because my daughter serves and I'm also civilian. You shouldn't be you know, that's not how you should act.

But that's military law enforcement officer. How do you tell them, hey, you know what, your attitude is wrong or you know what you need to you know, readjust how you're thinking, because that is coming across badly. It's different. It's hard to address that. So when they you know, and that's a problem. So there's systemic problems within the structure of the police department, but there's also problems within a person's personality that they're not fit to do that job. Period.

Some people are just racist, period, and she's right they are, and then those are the people we need to weed out. And when people use the buzzword defund defund, I go, okay, you're overly sensitive to that. Okay, how about restructure. Organizations go through restructure all the time. You know, you know that, all of us know that because we've been through it with our jobs. There's always a restructuring of some form or another. If they're laying off people or they're investing,

it's always a restructuring of some port. So let's restructure them, then reallocate funds and restructure the the system. Period. Absolutely no, thank you. So, um, I do want to bring in it one more framement before we go into our other topics. UM, I'm gonna try and get somebody new. We'll see how this works though, And while we try to bring her on, I think it's just touched on something playing We've talked

about this one talked about language, language matters. Restructuring is a reform is that, you know, what do we do? But we what we recognize that what we can do is agree on a common set of factors that policing in its current form needs to change. Period. How we do that, what we do I think should be a

topic of debating. I think that people should have an opportunity to decide how they want their communities police, particularly those who seem to be the ones who are most often victimized or finding themselves on the wrong side of interactions with police. Yeah, I'm like I said, I'm just

very uh, I'm very tired at this point. I just feel like in a lot of ways, Yes, you know, miss just touched on um a lot of important topics, But I just feel it at this point in time, UM, we can't keep doing the same thing that we've been doing because it's just proven that it's not act So we've got to do something different. You guys were also talking about how um, you know Garland, our attorney to Geral is investing helpening investigation into Louisiana Police department on

the premise of Brianna Taylor's murder. The Justice Department is opening a sweeping probe into policing in Louisville, Kentucky. Excuse me, Louisville, Kentucky UM over the March Brianna Taylor, who was shot to death by police during a raid at her home. Attorney General America Garland announced this on Monday. UM Garland also announced an investigation into the tactics of the police in Minneapolis following the death of George Floyd. So this

ties into what we're talking about. It seems as though the Justice Department also recognizes that, hey, we have a problem with policing, and this was part of a promise that a President Biden and Vice President Harris made that they would look into this. That there were communities who are being disproported, disproportionately affected and that they are taking a lead on that. Hey, yes, indeed, So Hi George, how are you, Hey, how are you today? I'm good?

So let us know your thoughts on some of this topic, some of our topics that were discussing here today. I'm sitting here and i gotta be honest with you. I've gotten very emotional during this because, um, you know, being a black man, Nick, you know, Um, we go through it anyway, you know, And I hear all the stuff about the system, and you know, I'm just I'm fed up. But I also understand that if you don't attack the system and try to work through the system, nothing's gonna

get done, you know. So, I mean the only thing I could think is that we need to protest. Now. We need to find an effective way to protest. Adding some kind of overseer for the overseers, okay. I mean what I'm thinking is maybe somebody and this is just in my head, uh, that responds the calls right along

with the police. But they're there to monitor, uh, what the police are doing, and also act as a liaison when they need to be, to help calm down a potential victim or a suspect so that they don't die, you know, something that works. You know, maybe that's not the answer, but we have to start somewhere. Maybe somebody to monitor the cams, that's the outside entity from the police they're monitoring. Those body camps have to be on.

It needs to be the law that they're on, and they get monitored by an agency that's not tainted by the system. Well, I will say, um, I know, Nick kind of just gave an overview of what Mary Garland's doing in terms of investigating, um, at least the Louisville Police Department, and he's also doing a similar investigation in Minneapolis due to you know, George Floyd being murdered. So my hope is at least this is maybe one of the many steps that needs to happen to actually hold

police departments accountable. Because I know, um, during at least President Barack Obama's presidency, he actually followed up with different police departments to get bodycam footage. Obviously, when Trump came into office, all of that subsided. Um. But hopefully we can actually start getting back into holding police, um, you know, police departments accountable, and I think hopefully that'll start to set the norm of them holding each other accountable because

I feel like we said this. You know, nobody wants to be labeled a racist. You know, in this day and age, nobody wants to be labeled as you know, oh you shot a child, you know, you're whatever that entails. I don't think that that's any narrative that anybody wants at this point in time. So hopefully Lauren and I'm gonna tell you this too. You know, black folks are really good at holding each other accountable, Like we know

right from wrong playements, talking about this before too. Now, if something is wrong, we have no problem saying no, brother, you were wrong, you know, right right, because we we often I think more than any of them. We often feel as though we carried the partner with everyone else. Hi, George, George, take your okay, So let's go to North Carolina. Y'all. Do know that they are doctor and they they are being surgeons right now with those videos. You know, they

all turned those videos. That's why they didn't release it immediately, because when it's something like that, I mean that you immediately release it to prove your innocence. They're not trying to prove the innocence. They're trying to have the guilt. Well, only twenty seconds of the body cam footage was released. It's twenty seconds too from last night. Uh, it's bullshit. Let me say what I got to say. It's bullshit.

I don't care. I know that they're doing all this and I said, they're trying to get team and this will not stop. Marching ain't work since the seventies, all this lave podcasts and we were mad and we're stomping at hump. It's not going to change anything. When it's when the color of the fruit that Billie Holiday sang about on the tree, the strange fruit changes to a different color than it'll start. I don't know what y'all need to how y'all need to receive that. But I

know what I mean when I say it. But y'all need to understand that. How you I'm not promoting violence, but bitch, we gotta do what works for us, because I'm let me tell you something. They ain't tired. Are we tired? Because they ain't tired. I think we need the black We need some form of the same energy the Black Panthers have back because you talk about they're changing too many laws. George Monty we're not gonna be able to have a black panther experience because we haven't

even got past the Lynching Act. They just passed. They Act for the Asian Asian hate, and we've been fighting with black hate for years and you ain't nothing past. Understand me. The agenda is when they're done with us, they're going to the next group. They're just starting on the next route because they're getting rid of us fast enough. Understand, somebody is going to have to take a stand and stand up. I don't know what the outcome will be, but stay ready, that's what he said. Stay ready. I

do have my I do have my hand jewlry. I don't know if you've got yours, but get your hand jewelry. I ain't come about way. No. I think that is something though, that we should acknowledge that the m M bill Anti lynching uh M until anti lynching Bill has still not passed, and it's been over two hundred years.

And while any type of hate towards any race is not acceptable, but in some ways, and we talked about this too in terms of you know, ally ship that it seems like, you know, Asian hate has become more prevalent and it seems like more as being done on that front, then what has been done for Black folks, because we've still been fighting this fight for so long.

So I definitely hear what you're saying. Go ahead, think this Asian hate thing is a little overblown when you consider said what we've gone through historically, and even if you talk to Asians right now, there they were upset, but it wasn't like people were killing them dead in the streets, you know what I'm saying. And they never protested and they never rioted, but they got the abill passed. Understand me. Well, I'm gonna say this too though, if we if we're really just going to talk about it.

In systemic racism, the Asian community is not viewed as problematic for our society, meaning that and it goes back to even some of the turmoil that we have between you know, the black community and the Asian community. The Asians are smart. They worked from nothing. They were able to you know, acclimate or I should say, assimilate into society and actually be those that help enhance society. Black folks, on the other hand, and we were lazy. Um, we're

not smart, We're problematic. Even in the Asian community. They have generational wealth. They don't have to suffer through the same thing that we do because they take care of one another. That's just how they are the wealth. A lot of their wealth came from exploiting the black communities, and that's very true. Absolutely, But I'm saying, let me tell you where they are not looked upon as um a threat because we worked for free for two hundred years.

That is why they're upset we're not working over. I want you to pay me for everything I fucking do and I mean that, and I'm not walking to the podcast I need to be said. I'm messing with Sophia, y'all. When they were getting free labor and Nassa could go to the slave courts to get his role out whenever he felt like it, and the white woman in the house could go and call Big Henry to come in and put it down on her and his pullout gay wasn't what it was, and he told him that he

raped her and they cut his penis. All shit ain't changed. It's not about penis envy or any of that. I don't understand how you're walking around here talking about you hate. Somebody called the color of that skin. That ship is learned behavior. They teach children to hate. You don't little kid and see other little kids and know that they look different from them. But you're my side, so you're my friend until you do something that I don't like. It ain't got nothing to do with you being a

different color of my skin. They need to erase all these racist basses off the planet. And I'm telling you right now, until we started, we gotta be stop being scared of the cancel culture. They're always have some flame you're gonna get cancel. I ain't got started yet, so cancel me now, because I ain't even got started yet. You can't. We gotta stop being afraid to speak up.

Speak up, or they're gonna cancel me. We get so uncustomed to making this money and so used to live in our lifestyles, and we become complacent that we stop fighting. I'm not gonna stop fighting. If I run for your feathers, then I'm supposed to because you're a ruck of man. I have a black son. I'm a black man poor part of the day and a black woman the other part. I don't want to be shocked because you are afraid of what I look like because of the color of

I can't change this. I changed a whole lot of other ship, but I can't change this. I cannot change this, neither do I want to. It is ummerving to think that every time you pulled over about the police, your heart is jumping out your chest, and then they put your heart. They wan it on your heart and said, why your heart beat so fast? You're scared? Of course I am. I'm terrified because am I gonna make it home? Because you stop me because I forgot to signal left turn?

Am I gonna get home to my children? Because I'm a black man or black whatever? You see whatever? Because I don't even know if they even see the sex. I think all they see is the black badge of black. I speed out every time I see a coffee behind me and those lights go on, I speed die with my family. I have a programmed into my phone now because and I'm tired. I'm sorry, George. I't mean to cut you out because I only got a couple of minutes. I'm tired of apologize that. I'm tired of. Okay, well,

they're gonna do better next time. I'm tired of forgiving. I'm tired of taking your ship. When you talk crazy to me, I talk crazy back to you. If I can only that once, but so can you. So on that note, George, I do want to say thank you so much for chiming in. UM. We're gonna keep Flame just a little bit longer because she's busy, but we appreciate you coming in UM and joining the conversation. So

thank you so much. By by Georgia, so Flame. Since we got you for a couple more minutes, UM, I'm gonna turn it over to you to see if there's any other specific topic you want to discuss. I want to talk about Georgia. I mean not Georgia, because I'm in Georgia. I want to talk about California and who y'all voting for for governor. Okay, so let's take it. He hasn't been recalled yet, so we don't even know

that that's gonna happen. No, no, no, no, no, he anyway, that ain't what I'm talking about, Nick, I'm talking about this other so just to start, So let's let's start. So there has been enough UM signatures for the on the petition to recall Gavin Newsom. Let's start there, so

that is a thing. Has he even officially recalled No, But there are enough people in California that are upset with this man that now we have somebody like a Caitlin Jenner coming to say, oh, I'm going to run, let's go to her, let's side and her source go ahead. This is the same trans woman who they gave who the sv gave a courage award for wearing a fucking dress. First of all, if you're gonna give a queen of dress a ward for wearing a dress, at least like

a bitch we Q dresses. That should have been me. I would Q dress. That's first. Secondly, courage for what? But come on and become a month and twenty minutes to say that you were staying with the LGBT community. She has never done anything for the community. She did, she had light on the community, but RuPaul has been doing that for years and that's on the on the gates, not on the trans girls. And she was supposed to be a trans girl. That's second. Thirdly, she said she

was a Republican. She got right on Diane say and when she came out to say, oh, I used to dress up and women's clothes, they go to bart being a trendy for many many years. If you dressed up in women's clothes, they go to a strange bar. Men are hitting on you because you're a big old man. Win a dress when they think you're a big old man and address they think you've got a big old penis to match it. So all that she never had sex with. The man was not one lad, not two lads,

but three lads right in front of American people. Then she said she was a Republican. She lost me then because ain't no GOP ever wants to do anything for the trans community. And I'm not talking about the gay community. I said the trans community. They are using this man a woman as a pawn to make a fool out of because they can because the pimp Chris Jenner. I say that the pimp Chris Jenner then pushed this food out there. Instead of Chris Caitlin Jenner running for office.

She needs to stop running over white women and maliboy and killing them. Now. The family didn't got paid off and said that they still support her politics even though she killed the auntie. Let me tell you something that check cash and clear, because that Kardashian money is long. I said what I said. I would not vote for h Case and Jenna because Kyln Jenner is not for the people or by other people. But she is about to be used by the Republican Party like a maniac

they're about to use. I will vote for Gavin Neuson again. A he good looking be he got plenty of money. And see Nancy Pelosi's nephew. And you know I love Nancy Pelosi. Okay, that's my piece. That's why I hate the same. Well, I'll just say this. I hope that California as a whole has learned his lesson from our previous movie stars turned governors that have not gone so well. I eat Ronald Reagan and fortunate or presidents exactly, so

hopefully California learned his lesson. But um, like flame, yes, I will still continue to vote for Gavin Newson. I understand that every governor has his issues, and he has been caught in some controversy, especially around covid um, but I'm not ready to recall him by any by any means. So Nick Goha chiming, Wait, let me let me get because I got two minutes. Let me let me get this point out, and here's the here's the disrespect that came from the media when when Kaylyn Jenner killed this woman.

Because he rans over and kill this woman, I don't know if he's trying to put his lips take on the affects a shout, know what the hell he was doing. But when he ran over this woman and kill this woman in the car accident, then he ready got some breast in plans. Don't you know that the news made the breast implants bigger news, headline news over this woman dying because he killed her in the cards and then

and then it just disappeared. Now, had that been somebody black like myself who don't have his means or his money or his reaching power that ran over white woman while trying to put on my lips set, but that don't have nothing, all right now, I bet you that the cars wouldn't have fell in my place. I couldn't wanna got some titties, It wouldn't matter. I could have wonna got titties and everything else, it wouldn't matter. I'm telling you, there are two different Americas that we live in.

Everybody is afraid to speak up about it because everybody's worried about the counsel. Coach, you can't counsel me because I ain't got silted yet. I understanding, I ain't even got signed on you yet. I'm telling it all. I'm telling that all. Come on. Well, the upside is uh, since generous running California, as we all know, love their celebrities because many consider an short to negative be one

of your most successful governors. And the Hatner has also talked about the importance of recognizing that there are issues that affect the trans community beyond it's about more than LGBTQ. Her exact words were, and we've heard some of this before, that there are bigger issues to fight for that include all people. The trans people are much more than the letters of the alphabet. Well, baby, let me tell you something.

That man, that bitch is still in anyway because guests who said that on the Breakfast Club in November of Flame Monroe, I said, they're not gonna see us until we see us. And there's so many more issues for the trans community fight besides the pro nown or bathroom right and that she want to steal my ship. I wouldn't vote for that nigga in my name boy, named

girl named cat or don't no, thank you. Let me tell something and if y'all got any sense, you'll better stay away from that Kardashian COUCHI because I'm gonna tell you somebody now, Chris is the head of it. You know she used to mess around with O. J. Simpson back in the day. Let me tell you something that is hainted. It makes black men cut a women white women's his and it may turn make white men turn into white women. I E O J. I E. Caitlyn, Okay,

I'm out. I'll teach you about and just to put a button on at the campaign to recall Gavin Newsom has not officially qualified for the ballot, but both sides expected to. Elections officials are sifting through petitions submitted by proponents to see if they contain the required one point five million signatures of valid registered voters. They expect challenges, and proponents say they submitted about two point one million signatures to make sure that they not only met, they

exceeded that required number. Yeah. I did see reports to that the Kardashian family is not formally endorsing Caitlyn Jenner, and they said that they're not going to formally endorse any candidate, however, Um, Like I said, I just hope that California learned from its mistakes. Um. I would be curious to see how this plays out. Though. If Caitlyn Jenner gets one point five million signatures, Uh no, Lie,

I'm gonna be a little baffled, I really am. So you know, you know, uh, Lauren, it's a it's a state that loves celebrity, so I can I can see it happening. And you know, California is easily the weirdest state, right, great data. I lived there too many years, know you know. Uh And and I had a graduate advisor said, you know, Nick, it would be your best interest to leave California. You need to go east. That's why I ended up going to a graduate school in Boston's like, you've got to

get out of California. I've become too. I was spending too much time with Larry Kramer and the others and act up and all that. So I was I was deep in the heart of all of it and realized that something needed to kind of shake up there. Um. But an election would likely be held in November. It would consists of two questions shouldn't Newsond be recalled and who should replace him? And Newsom cannot put his name on the ballot to replace himself, so we will. We'll

see what happens. I definitely say this, there'll be a lot of money thrown into a You know that, don't you? Well? I mean, yeah, exactly. Jen has got a lot of friends. So we'll see what happens. That I'm talking about the ads you can expect to see on TV. Every other commercial will be an ad. Every other commercial will be an ad, uh for for the governor's race. I think

Mary Carey is running. I remember again when I recall of Davis Um that all the subvers came out, the one who I forget, Gary Coleman ran h for governor, Mary carry Angeline Lauren. You old enough to remember Angela, Yes I am. So it's like all everybody. I remember the billboards everywhere, you know, like well, Mary Carrey, you know so, Yes, it'll be interesting to see how this

all shakes out. Let's talk about Brett Kavanaugh because the Newsday that came out today, Justice Kavanaugh ruled in a Supreme Court six at three decision that children can be sent to jail for life without the possibility of parole. The Supreme Court on Thursday upheld the sentence of life without parole for juvenile offender and a six three decision

rejecting arguments as such sentences should have additional limits. Justice Kavanaugh penned the decision for his conservative colleagues, holding that quote a sentence or will not have to make a separate finding that the juvenile offender was incapable of being rehabilitated. So it used to be that you had to say, oh my god, this person can't be rehabilitated. He's like, now, don't need to do that. We can go ahead and

sentence the a none but a number. I have to say that the fact that Brett Kavanaugh was leading this, I think is an absolute joke, considering the fact of all of his mistakes and past transgressions that he's had that even you know, came to light regarding him being remember, none of that happened nor because we never we never got the opportunity to have an official investigation that they

never know allowed that to go forward. I think it's absolutely appalling that this man, of all people on the Supreme Court is saying this, and to say that children can't be redeemable, And isn't it interesting too on the

heels of Trump exiting the White House. A story that hasn't really been covered is the fact that Mitch McConnell took these past four years to line all the circuit courts, all of these racist white judges with these lifetime appointments, and all of a sudden, we're gonna be start to see all of these children who are people of color going to jail for life sentences. This has all been very strategic and what the so called justice system has

been doing. So the fact that Mitch started it, you know, Trump let uh laid out the red carpet for this to happen. And now you have Brett Kavanaugh, who was also another Trump pick kiss saying all of these kids can go to jail for lifetime appointments. I'm appalled. I

really am, Paul. I think I'm gonna say, you know, I I have asked this question I wish for and we're here before now because I I do believe children are redeemable, but I understand where they are because you know, we actually just talked about those the fourteen and six year old in d C who carjacked that God, should they be thrown in jail for life or be given the death penalty? You know? And I'm like, I think

that there's space to save some people. I believe there's possibly, but I understand people like, no, they take a life where they do this, they need to be locked weight throwing key Burnham, I get it. Like there are people who feel that way about Kyle Rittenhouse. I'm like, he's seventeen. I have to believe he's not. The thing is, don't It's it's more to it though. It's not just about kids being redeemable, because yes, you obviously have kids making

you know, may commit some crime or whatever. It's more so that's I think that's being a kid. I think kids do, you make mistakes. But the more the the important part of this that I don't want us to miss is the fact that let's say a kid does get arrested. Because we talked about the six year old boy who picked a tool up on his way to

school and then ended up having a whole trial. The fact that these we're gonna have kids who are people of color being arrested, and then you have parents who can't afford to provide them with attorneys or provide them with actual proper legal counsel. So they're gonna be sitting in jail anyway, not even being able to get their day in court. They're gonna be in there for life anyway. And that's that's the sad part about this. And let's say that you do get the opportunity to go to

court and plead your case. You can't provide proper legal counsel for yourself, so you're gonna end up getting the life appointments for petty crimes or even in a situation where you're not guilty, you might have just been in the wrong place at the wrong time. So this is just setting us up to continue to pour more money into the private privn the private prison system, because every time a bed is filled with a body, you know,

somebody else is getting a paycheck. So this is all part of a greater systemic cycle of racism that is just getting bigger and bigger by the day. That's what that's what this really is in full in full view, so that way we're not missing anything. This was a ploy. That's finally we're seeing it play out in real time.

I think it's going to be is going to be interesting to see how this um, how sweeping this decision affects people that I think that they're not always considering because I don't think that they I don't know, I have no idea, but I don't think they considered the Kyle rittenhouses of the world when they wrote this sweeping decision. I think that, like you're saying, I think that it may have been focused primarily on UH communities that are

most oftenly disproportionately affected by the criminal justice system. And I think we know that, like you said, Lauren, they're just people who do not get the representation that they deserve. Who Ben Trump can come to everyone's home, He just can't. And now, now mind you, the minute heaven forbid I'm

gunned down or I'm pleased connect him with my mother. Um, we can, you know, so that at least Mr Zetti can get a check or two, and you know, and and and and do all right, you know, it's but it's one of those things where everyone should not have to pine for Ben Crump, nor should everyone have to need him. But unfortunately, I think that the simple truth is, unfortunately, should one find oneself in the confrontation with law enforcement

that does not end positively. All one can do is to hope to have that case um visibly displayed and have some type of civil justice be the be the the punitive effect landing on those who were the perpetrators. Yeah, and I mean, and I want to clarify to I'm not of the I don't think kids can be redeemable. I think that that's definitely a thing. I as to what I said, I don't think Written is redeemable because he's just he's too far gone at this point. But my point in saying all of this is it's past

kids paying redeemable. There's a greater um subliminal issue here than just kids being redeemable. It's more, it's more to that than at this point based on what this Supreme Court decision was led by Brett Kavanaugh. So I'm totally with you. I'm not comfortable with children being tried as adults. I don't mind. I don't believe a seventeen year old mind. I don't believe a seventeen year old mind is fully developed. Yeah, okay, no, no,

I think he should be tried. I'm sorry that was when in in situations that said I'm sorry in this situation. I'm sorry we part ways on that he's seventeen and intentionally drove around state lines to shoot people. I'm so sorry that no, no, not bring guns across state line. He shot people too though, Yeah, and get water and in assistance. But let's let's I'm the one to just shout that guy, can I have some water you? Okay? Right?

Because similarly, Nick is Dylan Roof Redeemable Dylan, but he's he's in his late twenties, so he was now he was twenty though when it happened, though, right, I want to say, yeah, okay, we'll shoot Congredden House knew better too. That was intentional. Thank you so much for joining the conversation. And we don't try to get anybody to change in their mind. We just simply trying to get you to use your mind, because, as Flame will say, you gotta have a mind in order to be able to use it.

In her opinion, a lot of people don't so anyway, But as always, you know, you can find Flame on Instagram at Monroe Flame or um. On Facebook, she is Marcus Flame Monroe Parker. On Twitter, she is Flame Monroe Nick. Where can everybody find you? Add Nick Smith News on all social media platforms, Yes indeed, and I am Lauren Armandi h on Instagram as well as Lauren Hogan on

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