My Conversation with Margaret Cho

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Ladies and gentlemen, This is a very special week. I am in New York City with the Goat himself, the one and only mister Dave Chapelle. It's his birthday week and it is his first time headlining at Madison Square Garden.

So I am here.

I've been at all the shows. I'm thinking I'm going to get on on Saturday, but bigger than that. Right now, I am sitting here waiting to have a conversation with one of the most pertinent and important comedians of our lifetime because I watched this woman even when I was studying. I'm always going to be a student of comedy until I'm gone from here. That's what I will always be as a student. And I am with the one and only the Asian wan Tan, the beauty, the diva, the one and only Missus Margaret.

To ladies, je y'all makes a nice of Margaret.

Joe, Hi, thank you, Hello, gorgeous hell.

I have been such a fan of yours for such a long time. I am so grateful that you came to do this with me.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Well.

This is wonderful. I'm very excited.

So I know you grew up in San Francisco, Margaret, and you're Sagittarius, because my my friend is not a partner, but my friend is a Sagittarius. Her birthday is the fifteenth. You are the fifth, tifty, had is the third. I know a lot of Sagittarius. How what's comedy your your dream when.

You was a kid.

Is that what you wanted to do?

Yes?

Absolutely, I never wanted to do anything else. They still don't, I think. But I love acting, and I love doing all that kind of other stuff like whatever that is, and music too, but I will always do stand up comedy.

It's a thing that really I don't know.

I think most comedians, as you know, we just do this and we know that we do this, and we're just born kind of knowing.

Let me ask you a question from a comedian's perspective, Margarete, because when they are days when my children get on my nerve and I'm having a rough day, but I still have a show to do, and you try to remove all of the negatives so you can take it to the stage.

But have you.

Found out that with all the drama, once you hit the stage, it all disappears anyway, because you like, I got a microphone, I got an audience, let's go.

Yes, exactly.

And sickness and any kind of because you have that adrenaline that pushes you through because you're just like doing the thing that you're supposed to do. You know, we just know we're supposed to do it. So anytime I've gone to do a show and been sick, I just it lifts just for the performance time, and then I go back and sick again when I leave the stage. But it's really interesting how the body knows we're supposed to do this. The body knows and it falls falls right into place.

Yeah, it is.

It is such a therapy for us and a lot I think a lot of people in the audience are really understand we're there to make you laugh, but you all are there to make us feel better.

Right.

It's a healing thing. It's a healing yeah, but it's also like a really it's pretty spiritual. You know, when you know you're doing the right thing in your life, then it really makes sense. Like so I think that it really heals me from the inside out.

Yeah, you know, Margaret, and I know you are great supporter of the OLGBT community. I have part of the LGBT community. I get a lot of backlash from my community because of how my stance of how I feel about biological women, what I see a biological woman is to me, how important that is to me. But I was actually taken aback that because I didn't think that you were going to take the interview.

I'm just being very honest with you.

This is a conversation more so than an interview, And I appreciate you coming on because they give me a lot of bs because of how I feel. I don't just try to discredit anyone, but I just feel like we can get along in unison as trans women and as biological women. I just think that we can jail together. But I get a lot of backlash. So again I want to say thank you for coming on.

Thank you.

No, it's so important. I think that, you know, being queer myself, I grew up within the trans community, within the queer community, within the gay community, and I've never seen as much unity as I do now.

You used to be.

I think it's like before age too, Like a lot of us were very separated, you know, the men and the men and the women in the trans the bye everybody was in their own area. And then we came together, I think because we needed to. So I'm very very supportive of the tense community, very supportive of unity within the queer community.

Do you think that it's now with all of the transparency, with all the unity that's public, do you think it's better now or do you think that it was better twenty years ago?

It's better now?

It's better now we have a lot more of a presence of the idea of how to talk about being trands. We didn't have an understanding of it twenty years ago. We didn't have an understanding of it five years ago, you know, And now we have much more awareness, much more education about it. We have a lot more vocal activism going on, very like present activism, especially in social media. So I think we know more, but we don't know enough. We need to know more.

Yeah, I love the opportunities that the opportunities that have been afforded to us. We have girls that are making millions of dollars of doing what we love to do, which is drag shows or stand up or you know, hosting or what have you.

And I love those opportunities that are afforded to us.

I just hate that some of the younger generation feels so entitled that they don't want to respect the ones that made a way for them. And I'm not saying any name, but it's just a lot of that.

But that's neither.

Hear nor there being coming out as a queer as a comedian, Marger, was that did you find that challenging?

Because after Ellen came.

Out you know, she got a lot of blowbacks, she got a lot of pushbacks, she lost a lot of opportunities.

Did you find that that was part of your story?

Yeah?

But you know it's interesting because if you look at comedy itself, the majority of the women in comedy are gay, almost all of them, I mean, and if they aren't gay, they have like gay tendencies or they're totally in their sparent you know, they may like dick, but they have a butch heart. So if you look at like, you know, people like Wanda Sykes and Rosie O'Donnell and the people that are like really like famous always had that side

I think there's just always there.

Yeah, have you found because I love the familiarity of that you use your family, especially when you do your mom and everything, because Joe Cooy talks about his mom. And I love the fact that you guys have led us in Because Asian Asian people were very private, they were very selective on who they allowed to inside their little circle.

But the show Fresh Off the Boat really opened up how the.

Asian community is and how they talk, and they were fun and exciting because if you're not a part of that, they really don't let you in. So I love when you and Joe Coy talk about your mom and do us the accent that is so great to me. Do you find that that is your best comedy when you emulate your mom or your family as opposed to just talking about who you are?

Absolutely, because it's a very it's a very present truth that I think anybody can identify with, is that people parents that are from another generation, from another country, who are just kind of seeing the life that you have here.

And kind of trying to connect with it.

So, you know, for me, it's a really it's a it's a very Asian part of myself to talk about my family. Also, but i'd love like when you slip into a character that is like you know, to me, it's very classic like comedy of you know whatever, Like it's the outsider point of view.

Yeah, and we we've never been privy to that headed notment for comedians like yourself and for like Joe, because y'all let us in.

Asian people are such a private unit.

You know, they don't let people in, so I love the fact that we were able to come in to see all of that. What is your what is your dream arena to play Margaret as a comedian?

Well, I would love to do Madison Square Garden like you're going to do. I've never done it. I'm looking forward to that.

I mean, what a great what a great opportunity, and what an event. So for me, that's like the ultimate. Also, Carnegie Hall was really great. It was just adds a level of establishment to what you're doing. It's classy. I also just love a comedy club. I love a you know, a night nightclub, very like raunchy, very safe.

You can say whatever you want to me. That's the best.

Yes, that is the best. That is absolutely the best. Margaret.

I would love to see I would love to see you play the part of the person in Kinky Boots.

I know it's a drag queen.

That's great.

I would love to see you do something like I think that you can pull that off.

Say you are so familiar and you have been a fruitfly, and that that is my terminology for people who have been allies for.

The gay community. You were a fruitfly.

Long before you became, you know, announced that you were queer. You are a fruitfly, and this is one of my things. I don't want the ten or twelve just run to loud mouths to chase the only allies from the LGBT community that we have ever had, which are biological women. Biological women have always been allies of the community, always, of course, and I never want to lose that.

So sometimes I get a little opposition because of the way I feel.

But yeah, I would love to see you do something like that, Mark. I think that would put a twist on it because they always say that, let look look look at how popular Victor Victoria was and there was a woman playing a man pretending to be a woman.

You know, that would be Margaret.

I think you could do that, and I think the whole visual of it all would be great because I was walking past and I saw the same Kiki Boos. I remember, I said, Margaret could probably report a big time. That would be so fun.

I love it. Thank you, Thank you.

So movie West. Because I know everybody's on strike right now. Do you have a dream role that you would like to play.

I just want to just keep working, you know, like it.

They used to not have Asian people in movies, so this is like really new that it just started, and so.

Oh change the game.

Yeah, incredible, incredible, so hopefully that you know, I just I don't care what it is, you know, like, and it's it's sad because I never.

Had the real opportunity to dream.

I never dreamed so big about movies and TV because it just wasn't an option for me. Like I was just, oh, I'm going to be a stand up comedian forever, which is actually great too, but you know, like I never let my imagination go of what I could be as an actress. So I'm you know, I'm really just I just want to work and I don't care what it is. But I'm very excited that finally we're seeing Asian people in movies.

So do you think that because having representation and seeing the representation, that it'll open up a plethora of work for you? Possibly, I hope.

So that's believe that's my dream.

You know, that to me is like the ultimate because comedians also make great actors. You know, We've seen it time and time again with people like Robin Williams, and you know, I just think we just have that ability we can sort of do. If you can do comedy, you really can do anything in entertainment. And so I really do believe that.

Yeah, I would love to see I would love to play a dark role when I get a movie. I would love to play something dark and greedy, because I'm like anybody know, you could be funny.

I don't want to be funny. I want to be something else.

Yeah, well we could do it.

We could do it all, you know, I think because comedy like really lends itself to all of the emotions. So as an artist, you have every color to work with on your palette, so all of the different shades of gray are there. What I'm thinking of is something like Monique and Precious.

She's so just so gritty.

And and scary in that, you know, and they're there's something that you know. She really that one of one of my favorite Oscar winning performances from a comedian, no less, So that's great.

Yeah, And have you worked with Wanda and Paige? Because when I did Netflix, are they ready with Tiffany? Had?

It's wand and Page Pushing Productions were producers on there? Yes, So they were pretty they were pretty dope. They were they were trying to give me to be something else, but they were pretty dope. They were really nice women.

They're so great and I've been such a fan of both of them, and you know, so many different ways. But yeah, I definitely love I mean, like, I just love Wanda's comedy and I just love.

I just I love the way that they went together. So they're great.

Yeah, yeah, Wanda is uh.

They just reached out to me recently, so hopefully something would jump off from that.

But no, So you don't have any children, huh.

No.

I have a dog who is barking here.

I have recats, I have many, you know, many animal animals around me. But I don't have any children. I guess it just never happened for me. But I don't know. I uh, I can barely take care of myself. But it's great to have kids. I think it's so amazing, But I just don't have any.

I love them people.

I love that people with no children always say that it's great to have to And you can borrow one man anytime you like. Good God, they are a little darker than you, but you could borrow anyone of them.

I just I think I'm afraid of loving somebody so much, you know, like that I don't want to love anybody that much. Like I'm very happy being single. I'm very happy in that life. Like I just don't want to be beholden to another person that I made. That to me is just so intimate and intense.

Yeah, how how has the strike effected your work?

Well, I was supposed to do about five different movies from this summer on into the fall, and everything is just you know, we can't do anything, and so it's a really it's interesting because it's made it possible for me to just sort of take a break because I was really busy. But I'm also on tour doing stand up still as well. So because I would do my works on the movie like for the week and then I would go out on the road on the weekends,

It's the effect of Ai.

They try to replace us with Ai, Ma, it's gonna be real hard to replacing me with Ai.

Got a lot of extra parts.

You cannot be replaced.

I mean, it's just like you missed the real, the real deal. I think that comedy in particular is the one area where you really cannot recreate it.

You cannot. There's no way.

I want to know, who is your dream to share the stage with as far as being doing stand up, Who is the dream artist that you would love to share a stage with.

Well, I would love to do more with Ali Wong. I worked with her in the past, and you know, I really love her. Also a Sabrino Woo is incredible. Also Sherry Coola. You know, I would just love to work with Wanda again. And I just you know, I just want to work like I don't. I think every time I get to go out and do shows, it's to me so miraculous and so exciting, especially you know at my age, it's it's really incredible to still to

Margaret, we're only in our thirties, don't do that. We're only in our thirty that's right. We just you know, it's been a hard knocked life, but we're in our thirties.

That's right. That's right.

I watched one night.

I would head to the edible and I watched your special don't even remember the name of it. I was just channel surfing and you were on doing the jokes about your mom. It's the facial expression, Oh my god, listen to me. It was amplified twenty times because I had taken the edible. I love it.

The tunniest thing to me. Oh my god, I love it. I was like, I wonder, does she know if.

She passed out edibles to an audience and they watched it, it will be ten thousand times bunny.

Oh my goodness.

That's great. I mean, you know, that's a good idea.

Maybe I should, you know, have like a whole thing beforehand and everybody take it at the same time.

But then it's so.

It's so unpredictable because sometimes people.

Just fall asleep, and then some people just get corny, and.

Then so people can't pay attention. You're the people that can't pay attention when they have been edible. They're just like all over the place, right, So, but that's a good market.

Have you faced them so, Margan before?

It has become so popular to be just who you are because it's not about Asian or black or white. Did you find discrimination as being a female Asian comedian because I know what females go up but gifts because comedy is a male dominated field.

I portray a.

Female, but I have a very masculine, alpha male spirit. Have you found a lot of opposition and a lot of pushback from me just being an Asian female comedian.

Yeah, But the way that it came out was invisibility, like it just didn't have any opportunities, you know, And then I would just like, uh have Like what was good about it is that it made me different. So then I stood out, Like when I was starting comedy in the eighties, like it was like good because they would remember me because I was just nobody like me at all, and so that was promising. But then, like when you came to trying to break into TV and movies,

Yeah, it was when I started, we had to do either alternative nights. They had to have a gay night or black Knight, or train and night, trans woman night, or I'm like, how about I just want to be a comedian. I don't want to be all those other adjectives. I just want to be on the comedy show. Yeah, so I had to keep doing stuff like that in order to prove to them that I was, you know, I had the chops because it's what you say it.

There's a lot of people out here that have the title of comedian.

That they're not, but you can sound like people are in it just because they want to be seen, because they're like, oh, well, I'm an actor, but I'm going to try this for a while so that people can see what I do. But there's a very big difference between somebody that is genuinely a comedian funny and like knows they have to do it as supposed to people who just sort of do it as a means to something else.

Yeah, it is. It is very tough. It is very tough. I would like to see you, Margan. You know, I would think. I think that you because I've.

Watched your interviews and I've heard you speak to so many different people. Why haven't you tried to get a talk show? I don't even think we have any Asian women that have actually had a really good talk show out.

No, there, I would love to.

I would love to, you know, I've never uh yeah, I've never been approached for that, but I would love to do that.

That would be great. There's Lisa Ling.

Lisa Ling does more sort of one on one sort of things, and she goes and travels all over the world.

And yeah, behind stuff is mostly serious.

Yeah, I'm talking about from a comedic aspect, from an actor, and everybody likes you.

Margaret. You know you've got a great reputation in Hollywood.

I think that would be great because you would coming in from a whole different perspective.

Let's do it. You could could be on it with me, Let's do it together.

I could be MacMahon fabulous, a fabulous.

Seeing the dog even agrees she does, she loves it.

Oh, Margaree, you you think that.

I see.

I would like to see them remakes and movies with with all with different females like I would love to see a Charlie's Angels with an Asian woman and a Latino woman and a black woman, you know, or even a comedy like nine.

To five with an Asian.

Oh, that was love.

That would be so great because I'm telling you, because now we see that it doesn't have to look like this.

It can look like this and still be successful. And I'm loving that.

And I wish they would give more opportunities to Asian women and people of color to try different things.

I think would be wildly successful.

I agree because people want to see themselves, People want to see their stories, and they want to feel like they exist in the world. You know, we just have such a long history in cinema where it's just whites.

It's just whites.

I'm so I mean, and the films are still great, but it's just like we just haven't been able to see ourselves for so long.

Yeah, yeah, I think that's what.

I think that that was the reason that the show All in the Family. They had a character on there. Her name was Beverly LaSelle and ninety seventy four. I was nine years old and when I saw the character, I cried for an hour or because I kept thinking that there was something wrong with me.

So seeing it.

Transparency and being able to visualize, especially on TV, I was like, especially Norman Lea just had his finger on the pulse so many years ago. It made me know that you're going to be okay. You are actually going to be okay because you see somebody that looks like you.

It's incredible, it's incredible.

That is why it was so wonderful for Dave to embrace me into his foe, because when all the backlass happened with Dave and you know, his jokes about the trans community, and Dave and I haven't had conversations Margaret, and I told him when you did stix and songs, I thought you were a little phobic.

I did. I thought you were a little bit. But you met somebody from San Francisco.

Her name was Daphney Dorman, a trans woman who wanted to be a comedian, and she changed her mind because you had a conversation with somebody that didn't look like you, that didn't dress like you. But you took the time to realize I'm talking to another human being. I'm talking to another American. And you know, I hate that she killed herself because of whatever the drama was going on in her personal life. May she rest in peace. But to me, she OpEd en up his mind to be

That's right.

But we won't get that. We want to fight everybody wants to fight, Mary, I don't want to fight.

I don't want to fight.

I want I want to be pretty and funny.

And that's right me too. You're great idea. Let's just do that.

Right, that's the day of the show, pretty funny and making money good.

Yes, oh, Marre, it is. It is powerful to think that. So have you been discriminated in your faith? Have you had discrimination in the comedy rooms in your faith? Because I've had it in my face. I want to I don't want you to name the name story.

The first one of the first shows I ever did, I didn't have a headshot because I was so young.

And I went into the club and they had taken.

An illustration a racist caricature from the eighteen nineties of a Chinese.

Railroad worker like with buck teeth.

And eating a bowl of rice with chopsticks and spraying the rice everywhere, like a racist caricature for my picture, Like can you imagine? Like I was, and I was like just a kid, and I just remember telling them you have to take that down, like I was shaking, like I was like, how is that?

How are you? That's you can't put that on.

That's not appropriate, And it was like, you know, so bad, and you know, things like that happened like often, but it's mostly out of just sheer ignorance, not really like they didn't mean to be racist. They didn't know, which is like so dumb, but it's really that's so bad.

Yeah, well that was back there. You said you were very young. Now that people know so now they know better. So like they said, you know better, you do better. That's not necessarily always the truth. But when you know better now you can get called out on it is what can happen.

Right, But I mean that there's just yeah, horrible, horrible. There was just like I hate that, it's so terrible.

But then there was stuff that I have to laugh because one time somebody took a picture of me. I was on the side of the stage and I was eating you know, those Chinese food boxes, the white ones. I was eating with chopsticks out of it, and I was just like really, I was really chowing down on them.

And somebody took a secret.

Picture and posted it and I had to laugh because that was just it was so racist.

It was like a caricature, but it was me.

I'm eating them, I'm eating those wantons that I'm not trying to act like I'm not in it. And I had my hair up like at a top knot that was all kind of coming out, and there was a chopstick in there. I mean, it was just it was it was very racially insensitive, and I was doing it to myself.

Well that's the difference in that is at least that was you, and you own that. The other picture was not you.

No, no, But it's so funny.

Starting look, starting with the buck teeth, I would have been like, okay, my problem was the bug teeth.

That's so racist, so terrible.

Oh my goodness, I'm Margaret. I have those stories. So I get and I understand. But I believe that because we have been so we have become dinosaurs in this profession. We are so much older, we have taken so many of the beatings for people coming behind us, that we made it easier for the Asian, the young Asian comedians coming up, or for the young trans or gay comedians coming up.

Because I was in the clubs that I was, I.

Was invisible for years to the comics, Margaret, I was invisible to them. I would go and wreck the stage, but in the green room, I couldn't get a fist pump, I couldn't get a hello, I couldn't get a good job.

I couldn't get a pad on the back. I could get it. So it made you feel like, oh why am I even doing this?

But there's a fire in you, especially when you hit that stage that you got to like blaze it. But you do want the love of your constituents. You do want the feeling of good job. You know that was tight punch up my joke if you hear something. But it took a.

Long time to get that. So I love that you have those stories because they made you this, Margaretel.

Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you. But yeah, it is hard, you know because when we want that recognition from our peers. But comedy is such a supportive environment for the men. You know when the men they love they love to watch their their you know, homi sets and they love to like help them with tag like their men are just so tight. It's so weird, just like always like this is that's real gay, Like I'm like this that really people they act real gay like

You know.

Sometimes it's a very it's a very uh boys club.

But you know, it's just part of it.

I think you just have to accept it, and you know, we develop regardless and then we're better for it.

So it's actually fine.

Now, Margot, if you were on when you're on tour, do you.

Prefer to be with a bunch of women or do you prefer to be with a bunch of men or a mix?

A mix, A mix.

I mean, I'm always very It's I'm always very kind of like uh.

All over the place.

I get a lot of they them energy two. So a lot of they them's are in my crew, so that's really nice. But yeah, I'm very open to different people and very comfortable that way.

Yeah, I like a mix too. I love to have feminine energy on the stage. I don't like is just all men because my presentation is feminine, but my my addiction is very alpha male. So I like to have women on the stage coming in from a different angle because I think everybody's respective is respected. The problem with too many females on one show, they say they all

It's true.

The sexist don't work on me because I got both sexists.

So you know, who is your biggest influence, Margarete, when you were coming up, who.

You who was your biggest influence in comedy?

I think always Joan Rivers, you know, see I love Joan too. She was a real pioneer and also really supportive, you know, throughout.

My kind of coming up, and.

She gave me a lot of work and I ended up getting to take over Fashion Police after she died, which was real honor, you know. But I always I always went to her if I had a bad show or you know something like she just was so incredibly understanding and she was really nurturing to other comedians, which I think is something she did for women but also for men, and very open about her own insecurities too.

She was at the ability to be vulnerable.

Do you think that that was instilled on her from because Joan came out at a time when women were really discarded as comedies.

You know.

It was just you had to be not attractive or fat, you know, you know something like that. You couldn't be pretty and funny. It just not a woman. Those three components just did not work.

That's right, because you were perceived as a threat if you were anything that you know, could be construed as like sexually attractive, sexually vital. And Joan was like not even able to talk about her pregnancy when she was on stage because that was considered vulgar, you know. So it's like, yeah, she really changed everything for women, and I personally was very affected by her just as another comedian. You know, she really took care of me, and so

I never had the luxury of meeting her.

I always wanted to meet her, but I figured because I knew my journey as being a trance comedian for twenty five years, and nobody liked me was around, so I could only imagine what it was like for her as a woman's but back then, because Phyllis Diller was not an attractive woman, so she played on that.

Joan Rivers was not a bad looking woman at all to me, you know, she's lovely.

She had a bunch of serch Yeah, but I figured, and she always dressed nice. So you had to either be fat to be the joke, or to be unattractive to be the joke, or to be a shadow to be the joke. But Joan was. She was never the shadow. She was always the chandelier. So that's right, the wallpaper. She was a centerpiece. I wondered, did she bring any of those insecurities even when she became v Jon Rivers, Those insecurities probably have were embedded in her from all her youth.

That's what I was thinking.

Yeah, because I harbor insecurities. I still harbor insecurities from when they didn't speak to me, or when I was just a man in a dress, even though I feel like I've overcome that, but every now and again, that little ugly shadow will pick his head and like, maybe you're not good enough, or maybe you're not funny enough, but maybe you're not pretty enough. So I wondered that, you know, That's why I asked you because we were different. We are nominally that's right.

It's also like it's a combination of not fitting in but then also imposter syndrome too, so it's like we're almost our own internal built bully in a sense, you know. So I think always like the greatest opposition for me always has been myself and my own fears and my own limited thinking.

Of like what I could do, what's possible.

It's always been my own doing, So I stand in my own way more than anything else.

Yeah, I would love to see Netflix put a show together with all the alternatives.

When I say that, I mean Margaret Show, Flame and Row just very unique comedians.

That all have different stories to tell, and we all come in from it and we all look like Basking Robbins with thirty one flavors thirty three flavors.

You know, that would be fantastic. I think that would be a great show.

Yeah.

Yeah, because I don't want to be on all. I don't want to be pigeonholeed to ever say that I'm this kind of comedian on that kind of comedian. I can play any room at any time, in front of me any people. I just played a whole room full of rednecks. They're all Trump supporters. I talked about your Trump, and I talked about Trump and I didn't talk about his politics. I talked about his shape and its hair good where I was at. And you know a lot of comedians out here say, oh, I'm not changing my set.

I think that's irresponsible on a comedian's part, because you have to read the room that you're working, have to read the room.

Well, Ultimately, you're an entertainer. Like if you're you're an entertainer, that's what you do. You're here to entertain and you can't allow anything like that to stand in your way. And it's a good challenge and a good exercise.

Yeah, and that's a great point.

You're there to entertain, not to offend exactly.

You know a little bit then, but you need to sort of gauge what it is. But there's always makes it worth it, you know, people like to be offended. I think people really do like to be offended.

Well, they like for you to say stuff that they want to say, but it makes their skin crawl and then they clutch their pearls and like, oh, I was thinking of it.

I I want to buy danger. People want to buy danger.

And that's what is the appeal of stand up comedy is the dangerous element of it. And so I think that's really like a very rare gift. That's why it can't be replaced by AI.

Can't. You can't.

It won't ever be dangerous because it's thinking outside of the parameters of what's normal, what's saying what's right and doing something fun with it.

That's the name of your next special Margaret, buying danger. Come by danger, buy some danger.

Let's buy it's question danger we're going to make. We're making danger.

That is pretty dope. I really really like that. That would be a great day.

Oh my god, I am not going to keep you. I know you got things to do. I appreciate you so much. I want you to come down. I have a show every Monday night. Because I didn't know you were in LA I don't know why I thought you were still living in San Francisco. Every Monday, I'm at the Hollywood Laugh Factor for free vote.

We have a great time. Oh come, great show. Come and we will let you stretch your legs, Margaret and get it out.

It's a great audience and minds is very diverse, and they love the people that we bring. So I would love for you to come hang out with us for one Monday perfect. I thoroughly enjoy having this conversation with you. Thank you, Margaret for being a great representation of the community.

Thank you for being a fantastic comedian. Thank you for being a great woman. And thank you for being a fantastic American. Because that's how people keep beginning that we are Americans. I don't care what we look like. Besides, we are with shape. We are all American.

That's right. Thank you.

Got to remember that, Margaret. Thank you so much, my darling. Where can we follow you at? Give fans? Well, we can follow you everywhere.

You can follow me at Margaret Show on x at Margaret Underscore Show on Instagram, and the Margaret Show on TikTok. And you can buy tickets at Margaret Show dot com. Anybody who wants to come see.

Me, I'm coming to see you. I'm buying my tickets. I don't know where you're gonna be it. I'm coming to see you, see you.

I'm gonna come see you.

I want you to come and see me. We're gonna have a great time.

And listen. I appreciate you, Thank you so much. Thank you, baby three to your dollars. But she spoke a couple of times, thank.

You, thank you. Oh my god.

I can't even spell none of it, but I take it. Thank you for being so pleasant. I appreciate you.

Thank you.

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