Memorial Day

And second we're gonna last cut of the kicking and at the end we leave it, which is a lift dispirit you think you want to revisit, So your first like a list of your folks like you slip all folks that we take it to cain't no kiss do what you don't no kiss do what you do. Can't no kiss do what I do? No fish Flame. We welcome to laugh and learn, laughing learn with Flame and Louren and Nick and y'all and kindle and yeah, I know it's a very different look for y'all today. Ain't

no makeup today, It's Memorial Day. Flame is looking a little love lounge for laugh and learn to In about forty minutes, I'll be feeling very level lounges because I've already finished cooking and happy memorial data all the veterans out there who have served this country, especially the ones that I have been unknown, that we never knew about. And I'm not even talking about just in our life time.

I'm talking about like even back when the Civil War started, because they put a lot of black men, a lot of on the forefront to take them bullets and take the Yeah, a lot of us that unnecessarily because they're scary asses. Did I say that right? They're scary ass? So yes, welcome to laugh and learn. I'm your host Flaming Row. I learned with my co host Lauren Hogan right here, and Smith is on here somewhere. Nick smiths on here. And if y'all saying flame while you got

dressed up, yeah, not to that. And my daddy was a vet. He was in the Navy. He's also passed on. So yeah, and in commemoration of all of the veterans that if we have lost, no week, no makeup, this is it. I wish you would have given me that memo. I would have come up here looking a little different. First of all, there's your hair and you ain't got a little powder, So I'm not at all did afternoon.

Happy Memorial Day, Nick. You are a vet, I'm a vet, and and today is the day that wee, you know, honor those who pay the ultimate sacrifice and you know, gave their lives and services this country. Um, so it's been it's been somber. You know, you know the deal. So yeah, but let me so, let me tell you what we're going today, because the world is somber. This has been such a horrific week in the United States.

I don't even want to do politics. I don't even want to talk about all the bad stuff going on. We will long, we'll bring up one or but this is a hodgepod. We're gonna bring on some play masks and we're talking ship today. I'm telling you all right now, let's make Memorial Day like the family cookout because I can't. I just can't even take any or your negative comments, all the hate. Everybody's enraged, people on the planes fighting, everybody. We like on a powder cake waiting to explode. So

let's laugh and learn. Let us let us do what our name says. Let's teach yourself something fun or funny, a memorable story, and let's just laugh. Because child, I'm so frustrated that couldn't even put the makeup on. It's been it's been a crazy week for me. I literally called Lauren about an hour ago. I'm like, Lauren, where are you? She's like, where are you? What you mean? And I'm like, Lauring, I'm sorry, I'm just I'm not doing well this week. And I told you that, you know.

He's like, It's okay, Nick. We all have those weeks, and it's just been Yes, just one, I'm here waiting, I said, getting ready. That's all. But yeah, I will say that's a little fun thing because earlier this week, I'm gonna say Friday, I heard someone very funny on the Karen Hunter Show who since we didn't get a chance to hear it, think of me being a fan. Great job, Flame, Flame, Do you have any more information about what we might be able to hear that whole episode?

For those who missed it, Karen Hunter on her show on Serious Radio Channel one six, and I'm doing Foolish Fridays with her again on this Friday, so it might be well. I don't know if I'm proving myself or I'm if I'm an auditioning stage, but they seem to love me because you know we're trying to get laugh on it. There is an arterior motive. I'm trying to get love that I was picked up on series Radio. Understand there is an arterior motive because there's always a

method to my madness, isn't it? Lauren, Well, you did a great job. Thank you Nick. Thank you Nick. Y'all have to listen to Karen Hunter on Fridays Series Radio Foolish Friday. We have a great time. We cover a bunch of subjects. I do might ask hesh we because y'all know I'm gonna love guru. I've been since I've been the husband and the wife, sometimes in the same night, depending on who turned it was, how much money was

involved and what they're in the week. I never bottomed on Tuesday because tusday was talk on the read or night and you don't want to bottom at the takover reader. Let me just say anyway, and that is great. And then my show with Tisha k who will be our very in Who will be our in student Studio Special Guests on the fourteenth of this month, came out on Friday, right and it's doing pretty good. Tisha Kay has Tasha Ka surprised everybody with this interview because everybody so used

to being messy and going throwing dirt and slinging. She shows you that there's another side. That's growth. I'm telling you all right now, nobody stays the same because if you stay the same, you stay in the same place. You gotta do something different in order to grow. What is that quote I've gotten on my one of my Instagram pages from Coco Chanelle. She says, in order to be different, you must be in order to be Yeah, you must be daring or something. What I got it wrong?

But y'all know, just google this ship. I don't know. Um. Well, I know we're gonna have a show filled with laughter because you want to keep it light, but we do have to discuss one heavy topic to start. Um, it has been a hundred years since the Tulsa massacre or race mass crut should say, and um Greenwood, So we just want to talk about that briefly. We're going to acknowledge some things around it and then we can get

to the laughter. But we'd be remiss if we didn't start to show off by acknowledging this so well before you started giving us a tangibles. Nicholas. I want Lawrence Roight emotional on this because when Lauren was telling me about this on her draft here this morning, Lauren was charged up about you were you were well, you were

you were ready to hit stop I was. I watched, Um there was a documentary actually on the History Channel that premiered yesterday, and I watched it and I was just really angry, you know, and um it was a two hour documentary. It was really heavy, and I think what probably made it even worse is that they tied in a lot of what was happening around Black Lives Matter and George Floyd and Brianna Taylor and just um a lot of different just police involved shooting, you know,

and it just it was very upsetting. So what I was saying to Flame was that I know that there's been so many talks about reparations and things like that, and the government it's kind of taking the stance of, well, we don't really know how to provide reparations for slavery because we can't really you know, track who's descendant of

who and those sort of things. But in the situation of Tulsa, there, you guys can very easily track who deserves reparations in this instance, UM, and there's just never been just has been brought for those UM family members that lost their lives a hundred years ago. Tell them what triggered the whole incident because that was so interesting because I never knew that. Oh okay, so what triggered the incident? Based on what I was watching last night, UM, there was a man by the name of Jake Rowland.

He worked at UM this all white shoeshine parlor. The white owner of the parlor had about four black employees. However, when it was time for them to use the restroom, they were never allowed to use the facilities that were in the shoeshine parlor. So what he did was he, you know, set up this negotiation where his UM black employees could go to the Drexel Hotel, which was right in the middle of Greenwood, UM, and they could go eitherre to use the facilities because that's where the colored

toilet was. So UM Jake Roland went to the Drexel Hotel. UM. The elevator operator was a white woman, and UM Jake got into the elevator and the story goes that, you know, the elevator jerked or something happened when she moved elevator and he ended up like stepping on her foot or bumping into her accidentally, and of course she's screaming and oh my god, Oh my god, oh my god. So you know, Jake being fearful, he ran out of the

Drexel Hotel and that's literally what started this whole huh. Um, it was the catalyst, will say that to this whole massacre. You know, they arrested him, he was brought downtown to the jail, and so, of course, throughout the couple of hours after he was arraigned, this white mob of almost seven your people assembled because they were telling the police officers, we need to go and lynch him. You know, he

assaulted a white woman. Um. There was a lot of dog whistle terms being used, you know, they were saying, you know, assault was a dog whistle term for you know, another black man raping a white woman. Um. So, throughout the course of the evening, all of these white men assembled to basically to have Jake lynched. But at the same time, you know, in Greenwood, there was um, I'm gonna get anybody's name wrong, but it was J. B.

Stratford and A. J. Smitherman. They were kind of like the leaders of the town and ow Gurley, who was actually the architect behind Greenwood. They all basically assembled and said we need to go protect him. So lots of you know, war veterans in the black community came down to protect Jake and that started this whole How dare you come down here? And that's literally how the massacre started.

So it shows you that Karen ain't just started. Huh, Karen been going on for hundreds of years, Karen even just And secondly, uh, why do they loved the holiday black men and wape raping white women? You ain't baby, Do you understand you ain't got the rape a white woman. Now, all you got to do is play for professional be a professional athlete. You ain't got the ripe ship. They're gonna give it to you. And I'm not saying all right, white women, So for y'all get on your bandwag and

get the holland screaming crame who Flames said? Flames said what Flames see? I said, You ain't ain't nobody running around try to rape nobody white woman because you're white. That is a that is such a myth, but they have used that to be a power play for such a long time, which is why black women get offended when they say when they see these black men marrying these white women, because they feel like all of that

is just pushing back the narrative. And when they're saying, oh, your trophy as a white woman, my trophy would be a smart woman. I need a backbone. I need somebody who's gonna hold me up because I'll work. I just need a woman that's gonna clean and you know, make sure I washed my ass, like at least twice a week, because you're not on bathe that only bathe on show that you're real tall. Today I did not, UM, but yeah,

that's kind of the background of it. It's just even with that, even with that, I don't know about you, but I will freely admit I was not familiar with Black Wall Street and any of that until I went to college. I never heard that in grade school, high school,

in life. It was not until I was at the University of California, Berkeley with a woman named June Jordan who taught women's studies UM, and she was this countercultural lesbian who talked about everything you weren't supposed to talk about UM, and she uh introduced, Look, there was no black Wall Street. What are you talking about black Wall Street?

Broke never had never heard of it. And I think this is also part of the you've mentioned before in the past, the whitewashing of our history and that not getting it correct. And I was telling Flame too. There's just so many instances of this that we can talk about, of just things being covered up. You know, we've talked about Seneca Village, which is now the beautiful Central Park, and um even Lake Lanier, which is like the biggest

tourist attraction in Georgia. You know, that was actually a black town called Oscarville that was bulldozed by you know, white folks and then flooded into this beautiful tourist attraction that generates millions of dollars a year. So there's Martha. They there's so much that has been until we have a true reckoning. And this is where I go back to UM. You know, it begins with an apology. It begins with apology. We still as a country have not

acknowledged our history. We have to recognize that we live in a country just admit it. We live in a country that was built on the backs of slaves, that's all, and was stolen from other brown people. We stole the land and then you know, we stole this Now. I don't really want to build it up myself. Now, come on, what we're gonna do, y'all? We need to get some labor over here. So that's exactly what happened, and all we have to do is just talk about it. We

have had more years in this country. There have been more years of this country in existence with slavery being a part of it than without. So to act like it's not real and not something that we need to discuss so that we can at least begin the process of healing and recognizing where we go is just ridiculous. Everything else is performative. I knew about that, like near because I knew. I heard the stories about it that you know, supposed to be kind of haunted. Very poetr guys,

y'all put these stuff up, all these dead bodies. Um, this house is clean, y'all need a little midge bitch? What was her name from the movie Humans? Get the house clean? Get the What was the name? I know what I'm saying. What was her name this house is Caroline. Caroline. Oh my god, I told you I'm in a move today.

Y'all go broll with it today. But that is very and all collectively, all the black tragedies that we have had don't even if we if you put them all together, according to this country, they still don't even measure to the Holocaust. And this will be all of us, from Rosewood to Lake Lanier, to the village to uh to Toss the Oklahoma. According to them, all of ours combined won't even line up to just to to the Holocaust.

This is what we're saying. So when we say that we don't care about what's happening with other cultures, that's not what it is. But we're too concerned about what's happening with us. I ain't got time to worry about what's happening over here over there. Help us fix our ship, then we'll help you, because as you can see, once they're done with us, y'all just nixt up on the sad blood because what they want is what they want and they're not gonna stop until they get it. They're

doing it in our face. The GOP is doing in our face, and then telling me what I didn't see with my glasses on off, I can see the bullshit that y'all pulling. That y'all telling me I didn't see Flame, you didn't. That was just the normal tourist day on January six. What are you talking about? It's like any other tour of the capital, you know. And that actually that he even think his mouth to actually say that

out loud publicly to us, like we stupid Flame. That's not the problem is the others who sat there and they signed, they co signed on this. The fact that there were not ten who believed we at least need to have a commission to take a look at what happened. Ten people don't tim Republicans don't believe that. Not ten Republicans believe that it's necessary to examine what happened on January six, completely free of bias and completely free of

political uh political bias. Right, Um, just like we did with September eleven, we had to take a look to see exactly what we're wrong. There were failures all the way around. How do we prevent this from happening again. We cannot sit here and say that we know for a fact we will not have another siege on the capitol the way we did on January six, there's nothing

that tells me that that could not happen again. Well, I think that's two that speaks to when we talk about history, because I think there's a lot of parallels that we can kind of draw in the situation from Tulsa to what's happening around this whole January six commission.

And the instance of Tulsa, you know, they had a lot of white newspapers that we're putting out these narratives saying that, you know, the black people were at fault because they came downtown and they started this, and you know, it's we don't need to take any responsibility for this

kind of thing. So and I think in this instance of the January six um riot that happened, it's another of well, we don't really need to take any fault behind this, We don't need to investigate this for let's just kind of move on, you know what I mean, And and we don't address the traumas that are occurring in the country, history just continues to repeat itself, and that's what we're seeing again in this instance. So, um, I don't know, I know, we want to keep it

light and everything. But um, overall that actress was Zelda Rubinstein. Zelda Rubinstein just like they're out there for you. Um. But overall, UM, I really just think that, UM, I hope, I really want to encourage everybody to go and watch this documentary about Tulsa and really just get some rich his srea about what happened a hundred years ago and also to let's just talk about They also made a

comment about JB. Stratsforuld have the biggest hotel in basically the nation at that time, and how you know, we talked about how, you know, black folks don't have things like generational wealth and we're not giving back to our own communities. But you know, Black Wall Street was the biggest example of this, and they were saying how JB. Stratsford could have been the next Marriott or you know, the next Hyatt or whatever you want to call it.

So um, overall, there's just there's a lot of wrong that's been done to our community and we need some type of reparations. There was that was a show that came on last year. We talked about it on here. I couldn't think of it was real abstract, but they were. They brought shed light to the whole Tussa thing. They had the two little twins. Remember the movie it came up, was real crazy with andrelu Ellis and Journey small ay

um whatever. It was that they revisited a lot of the black Head that we didn't get taught in school because they never taught us in school about the Tulsa. Ris was never taught that in school either. So when I started hearing about that, I'm like, where did that happen? I never remember reading or hearing about that when I was in school. But when its not a watch man, uh miss j watch not watch the other one like something,

that's it country. So anyway, when they did that, when they had their rights, because they relived that, they replayed that acted it out. One guy was like, they got a piano. I don't even have a fucking piano. The jealousy of you worried about what somebody else has has, even though that it was racist. But that's why I tell people all the time, baby focused on you. If if I'm focused on me, I can't worry about this person get more than me or this person has less

than me. I'm focused on me. If everybody focused on the sales, but that was not even that that just that was the first time I really started hearing because I had heard it before, but I didn't believe it because it wasn't in the history books that we were taught in school. So I'm like, I never heard of that ship. Y'all made that up. They have since implemented um this curriculum though about Tulsa into the Oklahoma school district. So I will say that they're trying to right some wrongs.

You know, it's not a better way than never situation, but they are, you know, trying to implement what actually happened in that town. It's a part of their curricula. Can we also shout out That's why I think it's interesting that Howard University is having this conversation to write. Howard is saying, you know, we need to re examine who decides that this is the history we need to teach and these are the classics, and uh, let's let's

reexamine that. Guess what, there were black voices, There were voices that were women. There are women that there were women who were counterculture who are strong voices. Why are we not examining these? I can make a strong argument that I genuinely believe Nikki Giovanni should be included in any of the greats when we're talking about commentary on the political diaspora or where we are as a community and as a culture. But I don't know that everyone

knows Nikki the way I think they should. Zora Neelie Herston. There's so many black female writers who I feel like we're able to maybe move and talk about things in different areas that others just weren't giving voice to. Right. So yeah, so anyway, yeah, I definitely agree. So for those of you all who are unfamiliar with Nikki Giovanni, not only is she a great point, but she don't man speaking her man. Oh, she's flaming Monroe before even

flame Monroe was born. That lady plays no games with you, A and be. She was the first woman to blow the whistle on Bill Cosby and he destroyed her career. Payback is a bill, Bill You're now two oh seven days, three four six one. That would be another one that we can talk about you, But another one we can bring to light two is miss Ida by Welles. She was the first one that actually brought lynching to light and what was actually happening. She was one of the

pioneers on the front, though not the lady. But you know, we lived in the projects in Chicago, it was called Wales. How about so many of us lived in the projects and didn't even know who Ida by Wales was, which is such a problem, it really was. They never even taught that in the schools that we just knew that we lived in Wales projects. They didn't all that I live in the Attab's or either I live in the Whale.

But a lot of people never knew who Atta by Wales was growing up living in the project's named after I Whale. Can we'll go even a little further than that that you used to. One would pretend that they were from Like I can remember going to clubs early on that say I'm from all Gayle Gardens because it sounded tough, right, And then if somebody asked you too much, well what part uh? You're trying to dance their way

out of it. Because somewhere in there they had also convinced us that there was a sentence of bravado that came from you know, coming from one of the projects, as you know. So I think This is also part of the whole whitewashing there. Did I have a project provado when you first met me? Well, you didn't necessarily seem soft. Let's just say that, you know security, I've an attack by the co host. Help me, Jesus. So that's how you're gonna do me. Y'all just gonna let

throw me about it. I don't even fit up under bus. Goddamn you ever seen that the thing they're trying to roll the weights over to me and his asses baby to roll. We just gonna do that at home. The way stopped at the fact they ain't even made it to my ass. I'm gonna go ahead and bring in some flamemts. I know that they kind of want to touch on this topic. So, um, let's see this is somebody new. Let's see Elaine had not had her, had

him had them. Let's see if we can get a couple of new folks in today to talk about this topic in particular. And then we're gonna make it funny with somebody on here from Tulsa. And they said that they weren't even taught that in school. Yeah I saw that too. They're like they're trying to revamp the curriculum. Now, I saw that as a part of the special that was um. But you know what they're doing. They might be teaching that over there, but they're removing black history

from a lot of schools. My kids have never learned black history in the schools here there. We Oh, I didn't either. Black history was just you celebrated Martin Luther King. That was black history. That was when growing up from school. And that's why I'm so grateful that I went to an historically black college, just because I was able to learn so much new information that I just wasn't aware of. Hey Cassie, Hey y'all, how y'all good? How are you? I am good? I never learned about Tulsa up here

in the Pacific Northwest. I remember telling you guys prior on a U Live that I really didn't know anything about even HBCUs until my daughter got accepted. So we're really sheltered up here as far as our history unless you go out searching for it. So, and I have a family member who lived in Tulsa, Oklahoma there there my wife family, but they didn't want to admit that either, well I did. They didn't want to You know we're not racist, We're not this, We're not that it happened

in your backyard. And they only started learning about it last year when George Floyd was murdered and they lived it down there. So I mean, it's a crazy and terrible topic. And Hi everybody, Hi, Well, I think the other thing too that we can know, Cassie, is that one the what happened in Tulsa was not discussed for seventy five years. Hi, Corey, thank you so much for joining no problem. I'll hateful I finally caught you guys.

Um because I'm always busy. I have a song with autism Flame, and I've talked about that um online before, but I um um uh. Senior year, a couple of us got together and we protested the year before to get black history put in our school's corecu um So. Because I'm my own, I'm kind of like the only child. My sister and I like eighteen years apart, I did a lot of reading on my own, so I taught

my son it wasn't taught in school. I didn't. I heard about Tulsa through the game because he had a Black Wall Street tattoo, and at first I was like, what he know? I don't think he really know what he's talking about. Don't you really know what are you talking about? So I left it alone. And then um Watchman came first, and I was like, the game was talking about black wall streets, so maybe he didn't know

what he was talking about. And then love Craft Country came and then it really tore into it and I kept searching for stuff and searching for stuff, and I couldn't find it. Um, but if we do our children a disservice if we don't go out and teach our own children, because they're not going to teach it in

school because they're trying to whitewash everything. I'm also Indigenous, so the government sanctioned genocide that has happened, that is still going on within the indigenous community as well as the black and brown community, is still happening, and it's still doing it. I think that we really, really really need to talk about these things. We have to, because if we don't, it's just gonna keep happening and happening and happening. And I'm tired. I have PTSD. I'm tired.

I'm tired of seeing another black man gunned down. Dragged all over. My son, like I said, has autism and he doesn't know how to deal with all of this. He hasn't had bad interactions with the police, but he's

starting to hate all of them. My grandfather was a police officer, so it's it's I don't want him to hate all because all cops aren't bad, but it's not enough bookments, as you said the other day, Yeah, thank well, thank you for sharing that story and letting us know that what you said about being indigenous, because Lauren, you you have a story about they just found like two

hundreds something in Canada. Yeah. So there was a story that came out about um these like schools that were created for these young um Indigenous children where they were basically sent to this boarding schools what they were trying to call it, but the purpose behind it was to strip them of their heritage and their culture and kind of reassimilate them into society with more of a white perspective and not with what their cultural heritage was. Yeah.

So they just found two hundred and fifteen kids that were basically murdered in Canada, and Canada is trying to kind of cover up what happened around these different schools and the Kuda Gras is that the last school closed. So this is very recent. It's not something that's like happened years ago. This is recent tragedy that's happening in

the indigenous community, you know. And even taking it back to Tulsa, they talked about the trail of tears and how all of these Indigenous folks were, you know, forcibly moved out of their homes under their communities. So, you know, as black folks, we talk about, you know, we need reparations, but Indigenous folks have been brutally traumatized for so long

in this country. My family didn't do the trail of tears, and I can't be federally recognized and I am part of the last generation of um you would say, have enough percentage of Indigenous blood according to what white people say. Go ahead, Cassie, No, I just wanted to say you were gonna say something earlier about that. We only been talking about Tulsa for about seventy five years. But I wanted to go back to what Nick said. I agree, we need an apology, acknowledge, and then let's move forward.

I mean, I'm so happy that we're searching, and we're looking for the information. And yeah, they're trying to whitewash everything and they're trying to erase history. But if we don't learn about our history and really understand it, we're gonna repeat it. We don't want to repeat it, so we have to continue to educate. So let me tell you how this country works. If we get an apology, an acknowledgement, that's what I'm saying. I don't want to know.

I don't want the apology. I want the acknowledgement because you're not going to get the apology and the acknowledgement. If you do get both of them, you won't get any money. That is this country well, And I think that's that's part of it too, though, is that they're the mayor in Tulsa is saying, oh, we need to do an investigation to see if all of these you know, mass graves were actually a thing. So they did this

excavation in Okan Cemetery, they found all these bodies. But now the mayor is like, well, we need to examine these bodies to see if there was actual trauma to them to verify this story. So there's like it's like you're constantly moving, you know, the goal line, if we want to call it in that sense. That so you first you said you had to find the bodies, Well now you have to decide if the body goddamn granddad at your granddaddy. You ain't got to dig at your granddaddy.

How many bodies do he responsible for? That's all you gotta do. It's frustrating. It's not that hard to find out who came from enslaved people. People ancestors were enslaved. The slave um with the grid, I forget what it's called. You can find it if you know, you can ask for what you're trying to say. Cassie, you know the list that they used to keep not it was before the census, before we had names. It was just Negro girls. Five.

You know, each one of us carry a last name that comes from people who owned enslaved African and so not each one of us I'm talking about. But it's not that hard to find out who whose ancestors were enslaved. They just don't want to do the work and they don't want to give no money. Do me a favorite track man down because I just want to know. I know I was a difficult bitch. When I was a slap. I know I talked ship, I got my ass, but

I was still in corn bread all the time. I don't even know was still in corn bread because I wasn't gonna be hungry. First of all, you gonna put me in the hot ass field all day, no acogy, I gotta go. I what if I gotta go pee? I gotta ask if I gotta go pee. That's why black people and on time now, because we couldn't wear watches, because we had no sense of time. When they told us to start, we started. When they told us to stop,

we stopped. Said nobody told me to stop. So that's why I know what time it is that when they saidin't be here nine o'clock, I'll be like, when what time is that? Because they nobody. I think that's a valid I really believe when you say that, because we a lot of black folks. I tell I'm very timely person, and I gotta I gotta I guess I gotta attribute that to my mama. But I maybe when you say that, I really do you say, see people, I believe that,

but I'm gonna down for you. It's so much generational trauma. That we have. And I get it from both sides because I have that the colonization trauma, and then I have the slavery trauma. And then my poor granddad he was in between because he half white. So it's just like it's just like it's it's it's crazy. My son gets upset when I try to make him watch things because I can't. I can't. I don't like it. I

have that issue. I was explaining to Isaiah. I was explained to my fourteen year old just the other day. We were talking about we were watching something and so we were talking about slavery and everything, and I was telling how wretched, you know, things were, and I was and I'll explained to my children that we the underground Railroad would not have worked without good white people helping us because we couldn't We could not be seen on

the horse, we could not carry a weapon. You couldn't even look at white persons at a without being or hurt or made. So I was explaining to her about the Blessed Station of under Age. We were watching Harriet, and so I was telling her the story because I read so many she she was watching with me. But but it doesn't tell the darker side. You know, it

was telling the determination of Harry. But I was telling her if they would have gotten caught, they were cutting the man's penises off and they were doing wretched things. So I was telling her that when they wanted slaves to procreate sometimes and they weren't, further, they will. I read stories where they will put bags over the people here. So say Cassie is a thirty yeld woman, she has an eighteen year old son. They will put them in the room together other people with bags on their head

and make people have sex with each other. So you could actually be having sex with your mother or father, or brother or sister to procreate. The stories about slavery, if you really dig deep, will make you your heart just bleed. Like so, you know, what we don't know is what we hear because none of us were there. So when you hear those stories, you'd like it sounds unimaginable. But what kind of people are this cruel to do

such inhumane things to another human being? And the GP right now and then say it never happened, Bingo, it happens. I don't know about you, but I have threas my ancestors visit me and my dreams, stuff happening. Oh man, don't visit me because they have you asked me for money and ship I leave me alone. I ain't gonna How are you hey? I saw you the other day and I was looking just like this. So share us, share with us some of your thoughts on what we've

been discussing so far. Well as a descendant of the riots that happened in Forsyth County or come in Georgia, UM, and I had a flashback of what Flame would say, Oh,

y'all ain't really y'all related the song. So I got that a lot, especially when I was in the ninth grade of Wentford came down with her show and I was like, yeah, I'm a descendent of these are the visuals um with that incident, it caused a lot of infighting within our family about the families about the land that we settled on in Buford, that's in Genet next door.

So most of the people with the riots, those riots happened everywhere in the United States that had a large population of black people, that had a lot of population of the natives to the U S. So UM with the one that happened in forsythe county or present day come in Georgia. Um, most of the inhabitants that that I descend from, they seek refuge in Hall County, they seek refuge and uh in Gwynette County. So that's where my family on my on the paternal side, where they

seek refuge. And they were able to uh regroup by land and uh we have a street or road in uh go for Georgia, that's Robert's Drive that's named after the family. But of course what the gentrification that's going on off there that's in threat also so UM growing up and it's said that we are black as black people, we don't believe the wealth that we come from the

royalty that we come from. Um, that's the first thing that we would do is uh marcas And it was like no. And that's what I went through in the ninth grade when Oprah Renthy came down and they had hold that Williams leading to Mark just up in for a sight. But they never uh uh seek to give

us reparations or give our people reparation reparations. But they did cause a lot of family splits within the black communities or the people who descend from the individuals who were displaced, who were killed as a result of the riots that went on in uh Comings, Georgia or Foresight County. So, Hannah, let me interject here, because what I think you're talking about is what we briefly touched on around Lake Lanear, correct, right, So you have Shannon's Hill. Most of my relatives, I

think they descend from Shannon's Hill. So she listening understandings, I'm sorry, but um, that's what's unfortunate is that we don't know our history, and the matter of fact, that we don't respect the oral history that's actually more um credible than what's written out there, that's in ritten or that's in print right now out So, of course, with all these riots that happen all in the all over the country, I will say that pertains to our people

and their own their land ownership. One of the most important things that that that they would do was burned down the court I'm sorry, it's a plane flout of It's okay, we can still hear you. Keep going. What are the main things they would do? Would the main thing they would do will burn down the courthouse. The courthouse contained the records. So when you're trying to find out who owns what. And it's that another um. You couldn't you couldn't stick your claim because they burned down

the records. And then that's when they will come in and confiscate the land, even though that is Um Parker's land. But now Mr Johnson, he took the land because you can't prove even though you actually have the paper, your commentation, the document, original documentation that's in the courthouse was burned down, so with um. And that's what's unfortunate that happened everywhere

you had rosewood. That happened on both sides of my paternal side, on his his maternal and paternal one side of the family was driven south and the other side of the family was driven from North Florida, South Georgia up to North Georgia. So once you know history, it's up to us to believe us what we cite the order history, what happened or what happened to our people. Too many of us don't have older people in our families that we sit down and listen to those stories.

Because big Mama, Big Mama is now thirty eight years old. Big Mama ain't never been less than sixty eight, Big Mama is now about thirty eight, thirty thirty four, Big Mama still hanging out with the young kids. We don't, we don't, we have no book. We're gonna say about that. Well, wait a minute, Wait a minute, Hannah, we have not been taught to respect the elders the way that we were taught. We were taught in my generation to respect the elders. Listen to the elders. Take some past, some

patience with this young generation that feels so unentitled. Now what generation is that, z x LGBT, I don't know. Ship. Yeah, that this new generation, they feel entitled. They feel like they everything should be handed to them. They because they feel like they worked for it when they didn't. We did all the work for them, and older people, even older than me, don't even get acknowledged for that. I'm sorry,

I just had to get that point out. Come on hand and tell me what you were saying, baby, But I would say with that, if you do the research. I'm sorry, another plane is going. We can hear you hand were sing. Okay, I'm sorry, okay, so um. But the thing is, if you do the research. A hundred years ago, majority of the mothers. We're thirteen, fourteen, fifteen years old. They were married to an older man. So

when people say that, it's like, okay. The only difference is we don't have the the marriage aspect of it. But a lot of our big mamas and big mamas and great grandmama's and things like that, they were young. Now in my case, not my girl, not my grandmother. Um but um, if she would have lived, she would be in a hundreds right now. But if you do the research, many of our great grandmothers and grandmothers were young. They were under eighteen years old. The aspect that's missing

in the present day. Let me finished. The aspect that's missing today is that they're not married or attached to a significant other. But I get what you're saying with the whore or history, And I was fortunate. That was one of the conversations that I had. Two conversations that I had yesterday, one was at the graduation party, is that we believe that our school systems are bad. I was fortunate that I went to a priority Black school, but a Primariti Black high school where the educators thought

it was important for us to learn black history. And then with that, um, My school system that I I matriculated from was on the fining stand. It was one of the bad school districts. When it was, it put out a lot of high functioning individuals. Now, uh I was. I think the year we had black history um in our schools was. I think they started it when I was in the left grade and I was. I was fortunate in ninety one to have black black history, but

I was taught black history from my parents. I was taught black history as a young child from the educators. That's why I always I'm a big component that we need to have our own well, I think, but I think Canada's why I would I even want to say this. I think that in a lot of ways we've talked to out how we have to, you know, are it's unfortunate that our parents have kind of taken on the

burden of the responsibility of teaching us black history. Because while you say that you were able to get you know, black education in your school, I wasn't able to. You know. Flame has said that she wasn't able to casting in the other flamets and in regards to in terms of you know, the grie ELTs and stuff that we have. I totally hear your point. I think in a way, you and flame Er kind of saying two different things.

I think in a way, flame is kind of saying that nowadays the we don't respect our elders as much. I would disagree because I have a great grandmother that's a hundred and one years old. But I'm saying not all of us. But I think I was raised right, you know. So, but I'm just saying I think you and Flamer kind of saying something different in terms of, yes, you know, we had young people that were marrying older, but they were still living longer and still had that

respect for whoever their offspring were of what's happening. So we totally hear what you're saying. And as always, you know, we appreciate you for coming on and just you know, sharing your knowledge, especially on Lake Laner, you know, and I mean to be a descendant of that and to kind of speak on that. It's it's really important that you know, we're we share where we come from. So absolutely, thank you. Hannah. Can we limited to a three minute version? Please?

We needed three minutes? Please? Three minutes? Hello? Hi, Hi, So so you know listen, um, Yes, I'm with the black the Black history, um, the Black Wall Street ladies and gentlemen. Again, I didn't learn about Black Wall Street until I went to an hbc U right. Um. Then again, I was looking at the munary reason studying myself, and one of the things that really caught my attention, like a lot of people say, oh, well, let's let's rebuild

Black Wall Street. Well, what they've done specifically in your local communities, they have made it so where you can't, we can't really rebuild and get that property to rebuild that Black Wall Street because how they designed the properties right and if you notice how in the black neighborhoods they ensure that they put us in the middle of the city. So therefore they can have highways running through so just in case if they have to put down a movement, or just in case they want to shift

this out, they can. So do understand this has been centuries in centuries in centuries of of of strategy that they've done to ensure that Black Wall Street don't happen again, right and so and so here we are. You know, there are some schools I know next year I'll be teaching African American studies and law in law studies right,

and so a lot of schools don't have that. Uh. I know here in Florida, they're talking about the critical race theory to go away, and they want to get away with talking about African American uh history because they say it's not important to discuss. However, it is important to discuss and it is a part of history and it should be a part of the said curriculum. But I do I, I do believe that it should be discussed. Our history should be discussed because it is a main

corridor of the of the of the American history. And I always say this, Until white people, you know, realize that racism and white supremacy is their issue instead of a Black issue that they need to empathize with, then this country can start making some changes and turning some corners. Um. But I also when I go down and think about just the black family, listen, we have to do better

with our children. We have to start educating our children. Uh. We have to start and they know who they are, because if we keep relying on the system to tell them who they are, then they won't know. So I do believe that we as as young black parents. Uh, from what I've seen, because I teach you how to predominantly black school, you know, you have the children partying with the moms. You know, you know that's not how it's supposed to be. Don't start talking about people's parenting

skills on this show. Don't do that now. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no no, no, no, no, I'm not you know. I'm just saying, at the end of the day, we we have to do we have to do better with educating, educating our our children about the history and the importance. UM. Let me ask you a question. If you what if you win city council, You're still gonna be a teacher. I am going to try, although I may i uh, due to the schedule that we have, UM, I can't. I don't know. But due to the schedule, it's a

very stringuous schedule. UM. But I don't have to definitely balance myself. But again, I won't know till I get there. But I would love, I would love, love love to continue teaching. I may go into the being a professor because that's what they're pushing me towarwards. Um. And because I have my durs doctorate, that is what they're really pushing me towards because at the end of the day, it's a more flexible schedule. But I'm telling you I

love nurturing the young minds. Um. I teach high school, so I love nurturing those minds, um and and enabling them to to see the light. Because if you see the light that comes on their face about history and about black history, it's it's breathtaking. But again, to answer your question, Flame, I won't I won't know that until I get into office, and more than likely i'll become a professor. Girl, you missed the lust conversation we had about the light, and see now you're telling them to

go see the light. And the old lady in the movie said, don't go to the light, Caroline, don't go stay away for the light, Caroline. No, that's great, Allison. And when's your election November two? So what you don't know is that I do Love Lounge it in the evenings when I feel it. But every Thursday, for the month of June, every Thursdays, Love Lounge is dedicated to Allison's campaign. So when you come on on Thursday nights, we're gonna put Allison's campaign her thing up for her campaign.

This is not her personal cashop. This is for her campaign. She's running for city council in Lakeland, Florida, and money helps. I'm telling you money else. So every Thursday for the month of June, that's what we're doing. So y'all, cheap asses, come on over to Thursday nights on right here on Instagram so we can donate to Allison's because guess what, and she sent you a car with an ed pit. Girl, you looked a little fatter on that picture than you are.

That what diet you've been on because you look skin you know, listen, listen, I I've been doing some exercise. I've been doing some exercise. You know, listen, you are need to so I I you know, I need friend. Yeah, so so I. So I am just slimming down because I keep mindful ladies and gentlemen that our health is of importance. And so I definitely I'm a very serious I have diabetes running my family, so I want to ensure that I am around at fifty five living healthy.

I completely agree with what you said about we have to start at home with our black children because what um, what Hannah was saying was that they have told. They tell us what we can't be, we can't do better. And when you grow up here and that as a parent, you tell that you you ain't gonna be shipped, You ain't gonna never be now, you ain't gonna do nothing

that sits on your keys spirit, that sits. They say words have power, and I sometimes disagree with that, but it depends on who you're saying it too, because when it's your own kid, they hear that all the time, that that sits with them. So they feel like, I don't have to get better because you already told me I will never be nothing. Let me tell you this, let me and I'll and I'll get off. Let me tell you this my mother when I was growing up.

When I was growing up, I told my mother I wanted to be a nurse, I wanted to be a flight I wanted to fly airplanes. Anything that I ever told my mother that I wanted to be, she always said, go do it right. And what that did for me and now it is you can see it manifest now because anything that I want to do, I go do it. So just by my mom telling me, never telling me you can't do it, That's why I go like I

go because she enabled. She told me that I could do whatever, and I believe that and now it is manifested to me as an adult. So yes, I concur with your statement. High Nick Uh concur with your statement. Listen, tell your children, yeah, go bed, because guarantee they'll just do anything I'm telling. They don't listen to me, They talk back and tell me to hell up all that I can't do it. Well, thank you, Allison, thank you, Thank you. Care in Lakeland, Florida. She's running for city council.

What's happening weighing, We wait on your opinion. Come on with you know everything that Allison said. I'm going back to Hannah. I just think there's so much flame. I'm having technical difficulties on this end. So I was just trying to reboot that server and all of that. It's just everybody wants to act up today. So I could hear, but I couldn't see. But you know, you know, we've

talked about the power of words from from parents. I think that's one of the reasons I have such a an affinity for black women, right I was raised by a black woman, and there's so many black women in my life. That I was always just encouraged and support it, you know. UM, So I think that bleeds into everything that I say and do and and how I kind

of moved throughout life. And it's not just from the one because times the dad, especially when you're a daddy's girl, the dad has a huge bearing over his daughter's life with the things that he said. You know that I am a daddy's girl. Definitely, dad says someone you was a living and hurt your feelings. It will still hurt your feelings to this day if you had never talked about him to him, if he did, I'm not I'm just saying's girl, And I think I will say this too.

I think that um, we have seen UM that there can be a different sometimes and young women who have a really strong relationship with their fathers and those those who do not not. I want to be careful here because I'm not trying to generalize or or categorize, but UM, they tend to the ones I have known. I will use I statements to those that I have known who have had a strong relationship with their father tend to move differently and and don't tolerate the same level of

things from UM. Maybe the men that they date and things like that. I mean, I would agree with that, And honestly, it's it's interesting because like my best friends, like we're before, out of all four of us, I am the only one that actually has a relationship with my father. All three of my other best friends have either no relationship or they just don't have a relationship

with their father. So in a lot of ways, they try to say that my dad is like their pseudo dad, But it's a lot of trauma and a lot of hurt there. It's it really is, and it's really it's it's it's really sad to see sometimes, So I would I would agree with that, Nick for sure. Yeah, and Flame, I'm going back to you know, I wish everyone but the world is so crazy. I wish if I really could get to know your children and how impressive they are, because I think it's I think it's jarring almost people

like wait a minute, what, oh my god? Because uh, you know, and no one has favorites. Everyone loves everyone equally. I get that. But I think you know who I connected with immediately the minute I met her because she's over the lunatic aspisces like you. But she's a performer, you know, And I like lunatic as spics, like you

all pisces performers, and it's just wait a minute. But but I say that because what I think, what I immediately connected with is here is a child who's told that they can do anything they want to do, and they dream and they believe, and they're not shy. Lauren, I went, I grew up with so many people who are shy, who were I'm comfortable in the room. Well, I don't want to speak up. I don't know anybody. I don't know anybody. I'm about to know everybody in

this room, you know. And and that's the way she is, and I don't I don't want to. I want to stay her name and embarrassing in case she's listening. But it is she she I don't think she's ever met a stranger that she will move into a space and like, first of all, I'm here, Second of all, I'm going to be heard, and third of all, yeah, I'm ready. Will anybody volunteer here? We go? Like I could see she would be the one. I'm like, she beat me again.

How she keeps volunteering before I do or whatever it is and I love that love that. I'm glad you don't know him because they talk back. Period, all talk back. Everybody talk back. Everybody knows which one it is that everybody knows that. You know that he entertains the audience is doing coffee times, Yeah it was, you know. I hope everybody enjoyed a Memorial Day barbecue. I hope you'll barbecue if you lost the loved one. We were sorry,

you know, hold on to the memory. But the world is so heavy right now, and we just wanted to have a Hodgepody. We even got deeper than we wanted to go. We because we really wanted to just have a life. Salad with no meat day. Yeah, we want to like salad with no meat. But we got meat, and we get dressed, and we got ranched. I don't even like ranch dressed. But you know, that's what laugh and learning is. Because we talked to each other. Y'all talk to us. We teach each other. Y'all need to

watch what's the name. What's the name of the the documentary. It's called Tulsa's Burning. It came out yesterday on the History Channel. It's about two hours long, but it's stuff in me worth the watch. I encourage you guys all to go and watch it. I think it's on demand right now, Lauren to even better because yeah, in the History channels doing this whole you know, kind of like a reparations month kind of thing where they're trying to bring light to some of the tragedies that have happened

in the black community. So and they even actually gave funds to the A. M. E. Church that was actually initially burned down in the Tulsa Race massacre, but part of their basement was actually preserved, like it was the only thing that was left, and they've rebuilt this church.

So they're also giving some funds towards the Amy Church to help keep it, you know, alive and kind of create this mural or it's something like a mural or a space where they can come and just kind of grieve with what was going on, like a safe haven

kind of thing. So please go watch the Flame. I do want to ask you if you can share anything that you might have thought might have been fun or uplifting, because last time we met, you had not had a chance to attend the services for Paul Mooney, and then you did that and is there anything that you can share with us that you took away from that or anything. Uh, everybody was hugging me and ship I was spreading lights out like a mania baby. No that yeah, we did.

We did lose the Great Pulmony this past week and they had a memorial service for him Thursday. I girl O'Neill hosted. First of all, the nail was super funny, y'all. She was so good. She's so ignorant. Good guy, that lady's ignorant, and it was. It was quite great. And then they loved me because I went up at the inn and did my thing. It was, it was great. His son spoke, well, they booked me. Oh, I'm performing at the Latter Factory in Hollywood on Friday at the

ten fifty show. I forgot all about that, Lauren. I think it's kicking in, Lauren. I think, okay, So we're not trying to get you the what's the line? Oh yeah, because thank you guys for because you know, this page is a transfer of information and we could not do it without you, flame mats and kindle here because Triple could make it today. And on this page, we're not trying to get you to do whatn't it. We're not

trying to get you to change your mind. We're simply trying to get you to use your mind because you don't have a brain. Take your ass to see the wizard because guess what he passed out brains Hans courage, and then helping you get plane tickets back home. All that. It's a bit named Glenda Sheet, the bottom bit. She doing all the work. The little do all be kissing on your understand never thank you for joining us, for laughing learning today. We hope that you guys have had

an amazing week. We asked that you stay safe, stay prayed up, stay out them phones when you're in public places. Is happening a lot more publicly and a lot more randomly. We didn't talk about this day on purpose, but walking in the store and the words of tech j and keep your head on the swivel because it's just happening anywhere and everywhere. And if you can't get away, run had don't open the door, save yourself because it's scary, this flaming. I see y'all at love Lounge tonight. I'll

be feeling real lounge. Thank you. Where can we find y'all? Wait wait, wait, wait, wait wait, Lauren. We can find me at Nick Smith News on all social media platforms and I am Lauren Armani h on Instagram as well as Lauren Hogan on YouTube and Flame uh Flame is at Monroe Flame on Instagram, Marcus Flay Monroe Parker on Facebook. Do not follow Flame on Twitter because that is her

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