Can’t No B**** Do It Like Tisha Campbell-Martin

want to revisit. So your first take a list of young folks say it slip, oh folks that we dig it. Don't kiss? Do what you do? No kiss, do what you do? No kiss? Do what I do. It's playing welcome ladies and gentlemen to laughing line would flame my road and Nick Smith, I'm flaying my role just in case you guys didn't know. Right there, it's Nick. When I was talking to you earlier this week, though you're talking about smoke coming all across Long Beach. Moke was

in Orange County. So that's why I can't put lashes on because the smoke was in Orange County, and baby, I lived right there outside of one county. This has been a fire season for you all. This has been a fire season period because for four years we've had a fire in the White House. I'm glad somebody had put that goddamn fire out. Welcome to love, laugh and learn with flame, Monrow and Mr Who Nick Smith, Ladies, gum and let me share your hands. Y'all, take a

good look at him now. You might not see him again into Thursday when you watch the other because I'm not taking the camera off these titties today. Baby, get you what Dr de Brow? I love you, Terry Debro, you know, but indeed is he here? He's not here, but he did my booty. I love that. I love And I asked him did he look up under my dress when I was sleeping you? Because I had some Michael Jackson juice, that profifile best ship ever. Let me

tell y'all something right now, I know what might to you. Baby, let me cheer you something. I don't know. That is what the profifile did. You just don't know anything. You sleep so wonderfully and so comfortably. When I woke up, I didn't even know I had surgery. I thought they changed their mind. Shut up, seriously. I got him and walked to the elevator. It's like your wheelchairs right here. I only know what y'all didn't do not I was all reading Michael Jackson Juice Baby, if they could get

it an UPL bottle. I take it. I take that for I take that coronavirus vaccine fame. I'm glad you mentioned that you know the vaccine is moving forward. In fact, we were just talking about how h they are ready to move forward with actually administering the vaccine to a number of people. Give it to your mama, your uncle's and your kids, because you will not give it to

me or my Jewish? Are we not taking it? And Lauren Hogan, my wonderful manager, brought into information today to say that in Japan they have said that they are not giving it to their citizens because of the side effects, well or lack of that. They don't know about the side effects. But before before that happens, you do understand that there are several different vaccines floating out that are

supposed to treat coronavirus and COVID. So the ideas that there there's more than just one, say that again several exactly. So if it's one vaccine to fix one ailment. How could you have three or four different vaccines. They're gonna fix one ailment because there are different developers. You know, you can have different TVs that still stream a television show, and some TVs are better than others. Let me say, I'm not taking none of that ship, but you know.

But but before you dismiss it, there are things that are happening with that. I think that we should also mention how they're talking about how there will be a vaccine card um and it is possible. We don't know what that card will mean, but it will show that those who have taken the vaccine um will get a little card and those who have not obviously won't have the card. Some are saying that card will be because there are some vaccines that will require more than one

dosage so that you can track your dosage. But it is possible they will stop or restrict the movement to those who haven't been Understand this, ladies and gentlemen, And let me tell you, I have been fooling me when I was younger as a woman. If you can fool me in with tips, you can fool people with another car. Remember all the d D scams they had going on this past year. Let me tell you something. It's always away around some ship. Understand that, So create the cars.

I know some people who can make it. I know a bitch who can build a house in three minutes. Right now, I know what I want to call it. I get the division. I'm gonna speak that, so noble ain't no problem. I'm gonna get past that. But I'm not doing anything. You don't have any honey. People get millions of dollars on the d D unemployment pandemic scam. We will always find a way. I'm not doing it. I'm telling you all right now, that's up to you all.

I'm not telling nobody what to do for themselves. I'll tell you what I'm not doing for me. And even with our former president saying that they will take the shot live on television that Obama, Obama, I love you, player, you might dude all day. I want to interview you. I want to shake your hand, hand out with your and their thing. But I can shoot a couple of rounds with you. But nigger, you can take all the shots you want to give it to you and everybody,

I'm not taking it. I'm not trusting anyone with this because and it's not that I don't trust the President Obama, but because this administration has shown such a disdain for the American people and we have just become collateral damage. I'm not doing I don't trust any but I don't trust my mama. And she called me and told me take a shot. I can't go up on a flame.

There are people are definitely suffering right now. And I know that you wanted to make sure the way he started the show um in a special way today because there's just a lot happening right now that it's been on your heart and and things you want to share talk to us. I am I am a fan and not a fan of Wendy Williams. If you understand that. I love her what she does and everything, but sometimes

she gets someone nerve. But Wendy Williams has been under a lot of pressure lately and then her mom just passed. Yes say so, always going on in her personal life with her the Voice openly being so public and living her life under that, and now her mom died. I don't know what God uh has on her, but I hope she leads to God and looks to God to to find her way out of this. And I want to start off a special prayer this morning for Wendy Williams.

What I passed her for the show this. You know, we have our own church here at Love Life, Laugh and Learned. Look at me, I'm confused. And it's called the hesy We Church of God in Christ. So I want to bring on past the Erskine and first lady who was pastorin let people know who may be joining us for the first time. I'm laughing. Ester Erskine is a preacher out of Michigan. Him and his wife, they've just been fans of mine for a while and they

they've come onto the show and expressed it. And he doesn't have an actual church yet, but he always praised over the show. He prayed and we get he prayed over the show when we were just doing comp time. And now look where we are, so so Reverend erskin you know I want you, we need we need you right now before we bring to teach a camera very special guests on to just put a prayer in for Wendy Williams and her family. And here's my thing. The Wendy was very close to her parents from what we

see from the outside looking in. She always had them on the show, and the mom and dad had been married for years and years. And you know, when people have been married a long time, they become so much more than husband and wife. They are companions, They are soul mates, they are friends, they are confidants. And that their dad is old. The mom is eighty three. I don't know how old the father is, but they have

been a yell of like forty or fifty years. You talked about that, because you also talked about the correlation between that and say, Whitney Houston, who always leaved into her face, who always ladd into her face. We watched Can I Be Me the other day and whatever you ever interview, you saw, whatever you thought about Winney Houston, besides her being one of the greatest things, if not the greatest singer of all time, that she always looked

to God no matter what. She could be high as a kite, and sometimes it was kind of prevalent that she was high, and some of those interviews, but she had always acknowledged the Lord. Wendy, I need you to lean on God right now because I don't know what to test you up against. But you can pass this test, and guess who's gonna help you right now, Reverend Erskine, Reverend Erskin, I'm gonna turn this over to you and let you give us a quick three minute prayer before

we bring to cause. Lady Jim y'all praying, hands up and send your own private prayers up. Windy, Wendy Williams and her family head they're having the most gracious and time. Father, we come before you right now, Father God. Thank you, Lord God for being God and being God all by yourself, Father God, we come standing in agreement, touching and agreement

right now, Father Guy. For used to look down upon Wendy Williams and her family, Lord God as they go through the loss of their loved one, her mother, Father Guy, Father God of maxim that you just comfort them, Lord God in a way that only you can comfort, your Father God. So God, for we know that you are a confident Lord God. We know that you are everything,

Lord God and Lord God. In times like these, Lord God, is when we need to Lord Your God, when we think that we are alone, Lord God, we know that it is you that it carries us. Father God. So right now, Father God, I'm asking that you just comfort her. Lord God, give her the strength that she needs to carry on. Lord God, I pray that you place people around her, Father God, that will keep her uplifted in prayer, Lord God, that will lead her in the right way.

I pray for our family members as well, Father God, that as they go through this this time of bereavement, that they, too, Lord God, can look to you, Lord God, from which their strength coming from. Lord. For we know, Lord God, that when we lean and depend on you, Lord God, that there's nothing that we can do. So right now, Father God, in the name of Jesus, we just thank you for being with that family. We thank

you for in with Wendy right now. We just thank you right now for embracing her, Lord God and just keeping her. We also pray for this podcast for a God that is just reach out and touched millions and billions of people. Father God, Lord God, that uh it's knowing that it's a transfer of information, and Lord God, that we just come on here and learn from each other, that we just laugh and learn and bless the guests today. Father God, just bless her and each and every one

of her endeavors. Blessed her and her her family, blessed Flame and Mick Lord God, and just continue to just keep them on the right path. This we pray in Jesus name and for His name sake. Amen, Amen, Amen, Amen, thank you. Rather so you guys can follow Earthkin Porter and Catrice Po and get special private prayers or what have you. Er skin, the church is comming. I don't know we're gonna call it he she with Church of God in Christ. That might not be good, but it's

coming to me. Thank you. I love you guys. Appreciate you. Guy, Wendy Williams. That was for you, my dollar. Thank you, thank you, thank you so much. This is one of those things, Flames, where you talk about how faith and and and God has always present you. Also, um had a challenging situation this week because you trusted the process of making a purchase. Are you gonna just put me on blast? And that I got used. I was used like a rug, y'all, so be careful ordering offline, not

all everything. I ordered some um wardrobes for Marketplace, and so they went through fine. So I wanted to order a golf card, so that said one. It was beautiful, it was twelve. I did all this stuff Lauren was the one who actually typed in the I had to go get six eBay cards, but I'm not an eBay so I just went in as a guest baby. And then so As I sent that money and she told me I need another thousand dollars to deliver. I'm like, it's running up the street. I can walk up here

and get it if I wanted. On a good day, baby, we never heard none. Theydn't changed the phone number. Che So I got ganked out of twelve hundred dollars, y'all. I got the player. I got played. That hurts my field. You know. I don't like to be played, because you know I like to play games. But baby, it's funny when the roots you, isn't it. No, it's not that it's not. But I believe you'll get that back. I do think though. It's a warning to all the flame

mets out there and those who may be listening. Around the holidays, there tends to be a spike in online scams. You know, holidays. It must have been a holiday for four years, because that nigga been scamming for four years and still scamming. Won't leave even none of that one of the other things. You want to talk about. This in the headlines today, we're talking about the fake meat. Yeah that say that again. Please the fake meat, fake meat.

So I'm talking to all you women out there. If your man come home with fake meat, are you gonna put it in your mouth? I'm just asking for I'm asking for a frame. It don't even sound conducing. You are absolutely ridiculous. That's like the impossible burger. It's gonna

be impossible for me to eat some ship that's not real. Oh, it's plant based, so it's we Well, the I the idea behind the fake meat is that they are now growing meat genetically um in a lab, so they're growing meat without the need to slaughter animals, and and also the emission of greenhouse gases the ideas to reduce all of that. You know. Okay, so wait a minute, make

this make sense to me. They're they're growing meat because they don't want to have um, they don't want to kill the animals, and they want to try to uh prefer life or what did you just say, they want to preserve life? Yeah, okay, but you were just telling us a few years ago that pork isn't good for you. Bacon ain't good for you. Then beef had the mad cow disease, then chickens was nuts and everything else, and

but now y'all come up with coronavirus. I tell you what, I'm going to continue doing what I've been doing and make it work for me. This is the idea. Is actually called cultured meat, and it's meat produced by in vitro cell culture of animal cells instead of from slaughtered animals. It's a form of cellular agriculture. Culture. Meat is produced using many of the same tissues. It's just engineered and done in a technique to taste like and feel like meat.

According to the Bible, Jesus and them a goats, they slaughtered some lambs a baby. They was okay for them. It was just okay for me. If it was okay with Jesus, it's okay with that baby, it's good enough for me. I'm not eating the process me. I never had an impossible burger, because it sounds impossible for me to put that in my mouth. We today have a very special guest joining us momentarily that we're extremely excited about. You've seen her in so many different things. I think

what's most notable about her that you were. Her most memorable role will probably probably be Gina from Martin from the Main Lions Show, where she absolutely just killed that role like you wouldn't believe. But she has so many roles and so many things up under her repertoire. And she's a triple well, she's a quadruple threat because she's an actress, singer, dancer, but she's also a mother, yes,

your parents. That might be harder than all the other three put together, especially in the midst of a pandemic, you know, flame You and I talked about too, just the amount of work it takes to do what it is that one does in Hollywood in a in a career, because one of the things we've talked about is how she has had to evolve and change with the times. She's a singer, she's a dancer, she's done theater, she's done Broadway. Um, what does it take to manage and

maintain a career and that that amount of longevity. I think, especially when you're a black woman, you have to be good at everything because you're always being Like we talked about, you will always have to prove yourself. So from one level to the next level, to the next level. You always have to prove yourself. Well, hello, you got on you. I don't want to be alone tonight. I don't want to be alone. Let's scamble stopped because I'm already flamed

me to stop and give you a proper introductor. Here she go, just going right on into place, rolled up on me like the coronavirus and ship. Wait a minute, Slow down, players, slow down, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to laugh and learn. A very special guest, the multitalented actress, singer, dancer mother. That's the hardest role, the beautiful and very talented miss Tita Cambla mar y'all, t Sha, We've been waiting on you, were glad you joined us. Get to

the end of you. I have to just say this. I'm gonna fan out for a minute. I have loved you since and this is no lie. I have loved you since little shop, Uh Bob Bob, little shop for horr us. T Sha, you are amazing. You always have been to me. There is just it's your energy is everything. So let's just go ahead and get this time. Because this is not the Mixed Smith Show, but you know it could be. We don't need flame here. You know, you know he scating on thin T shirt, so he

better watch yourself. I just I just looked like mother, I'm the boss. I'm that nigga. How are you watching? How you how you holding up doing this pandemic. I'm doing really well. I had a few losses. You know, some people who um passed away suddenly, but um, I'm doing good. My kids are amazing. Um. You know, I just I took the time out through this pandemic to just kind of be still because you don't have no choice. Well that part and then, um, but it was amazing

spending that time with my kids. Well, since you brought up your children, let me let me cause I'm a parent as well. You have two children. I have three. No, I called you the other day at your house. Oh my god, exactly, so you know I'm picking up the right So let me ask your T shirt because you have a son that's nineteen years old, and your son stuffers with a tabit of autism. Right, but you as a parent, because you know I had the research and

see all this, I did not. I knew you had an autistic some but I didn't know how much work you had spent with your son to show him how to be whatever we consider normal that your son drives and he's very responsible for himself. And Kevin Mays, who was a mutual friend of ours who introduced me to you, always talked about what an amazing parent you were to take that patience and take that time with your autistics on to just make him perfect. You have made him

special because you took the time. Everybody is not able to do that. So outside of all the other stuff that you've done it, I accept the diagnosis, but I don't accept the label. So it was really all about um, you want to be as independent of me as possible, because when you get at diagnosis, it's the scariest thing in the world. And as a parent, you know it's almost like somebody came in stole your child's spirit and

now you're left with an empty shell. At first, that's when you first get that diagnosis because you're just like, what is happening and you would do anything to save your child's life. But one of the Holly Robinson Pete was one of the first people that I have reached out to and she was like, you ready for the work. She got me. Ever, all the way quick because at first she was like, I'm so sorry, that's what there's

Her voice changed on me. It flipped on me, and she was like, Okay, you ready, You ready for the work. And I was like, yeah, I'll do anything. She's like, no, are you ready? Because you gotta be ready, you gotta you gotta move, you gotta try all kinds of different things. It may not work. Go go with what your gut is telling you. And it was all of those things

that I really needed. And she was one of those people that was really there for me and if every beginning and she just you know, and I gave myself three days degree. It happened on a Friday. I gave myself three days degree. And I was like, all right, on Monday, you're gonna get up, you're gonna advocate, and you're gonna fight for your child. And so that's what I did. And so I didn't. I wasn't in denial. Um. I kind of knew something was up earlier. UM. And I think it has a lot to do with the

fact that I'm an actor. I think that was the reason I became an actor, is because what we do is we we we study human behavior and we try to master emotions, and when I saw a lack thereof I knew something was up. So I was doing early intervention and didn't even realize that. You know what I commend about you because there was a lesson in what you just told me. Outside of evenit or what Holly Robinson and you had to do the work. The lesson was when she came to you and you said, she

flipped her tone, and you didn't take that aggressive. You didn't take like she was attacking you. You took that message and you you held onto it and you made it work for you. Kind of like when I first started doing track, there was a queen who told me I was a mess. She told me I was terrible. Instead of me taking that and saying I was defeated, she put a fire up under my ass to say, get better, do better, be great. I love her to this day. She did years ago, but we both knew

her and love it. So I love that message, teacher, And I know a lot of people didn't know that because everybody come on me to come on and talk about all your accolades, and I'm gonna get to that too, But I want to commend you as a parent. No, I like you told me when you told me honey, you said, we're gonna talk about everything. And I kind of like that because I like for people to get to know me past the persona you know what I mean.

M hmm. And we are over here and that I love that lipstick to let me say that, that's cute. I want you to look at my handsome partner. I want to ask you more about parenthood and and being a mom, because um, you know, and now you're you're moving and operating as a single mom, you know. And I grew up in the house of a single parent, and I know the work that goes into raising a black boy, and I know the work that goes into

trying to manage and do it all alone. There talk to us about how you're doing that right now in the midst of COVID, with everything happening right now, and still trying to, you know, provide a safe space for them. Well, you know what it was. It was a great time for me. You know how black people do half the time, like you know what we were. If we're put in a bad situation, you make we take those lemonades and we make I mean, we take those limbits and we

make lemonade. Right. I always say, I always say, you give me some intestines. I would make some chiplends. Just clean the first girl, just the first of the worst situation, and we can all from it. Like at that, moll I was like, Okay, I got my kids with me. I'm gonna work hard to make sure that I had time to put into them, time that I didn't have before. You know, we played, we played games, we talked, we had dinners. Not that I didn't do this before, but really,

sit down, you know, what's your future life? What we were having these conversations about the money. And we don't teach our children about finances. We don't teach them not to be afraid of it. You know, it's just not embedded in our you know, that's when I brought up that way. So teaching my children out to save and what that means and and how to you know, navigate around money and understanding because I'm trying to learn it at the same time, because everybody did that for me.

You gotta remember, I I grew up as a I was in this business at three years old, so and then I went straight into a marriage. You know, what I mean from her. So I went from household to household where everybody else was taking care of the finances, and so as I'm being taught, I'm teaching. So we had those moments and we really got close and we played games and we took walks and we it was it was such a wonderful bonding moment for us. You know,

we got to talk about a lot of stuff. To Tasha, when those conversations that you have with your children, when you because I'm with you, I'm We've been having a lot more sit down dinner. Are you amazed at some of the things that your kids know that you'd be like, I tried to shelter you from that. You know about this, and you know, I'm not be amazed, Like, oh my god, you heard that my kids know some stuff that I

thought I would never hear them say. But I'm like, baby, I had to take my wig off and scratch my head, I promise. So Teching. When you were a young girl, did you aspire to be an actress, a singer, or a dancer? Which one was your first love? Or comedian music? Singing I took from a musical family. My mother. You got to push all the drag queens used to do push Baby. We all pushed. I was pushing and getting pushed up on. I'm pushing them up now. From a

gospel house, a gospel background. So yeah, my mother, my mother, my mother's uh gospel group were called the Shockoley Singers. That's what made a name, the Shockoley Singers. And they were kids, but they said background for Mehellia Jackson. So and then I just found out that they had a pop name too, which was called the Lollipops. And that's

a whole another story. But they But but I learned a lot because my mother, actually I was I asked her recently because I got sent all these pictures from this woman in Europe who's like obsessed with, you know, girl groups, and she said, um, yeah, I said, were you having a group called Lollipops? She was like, oh yeah, I like mom. So the mother so the mother was she was the church woman in the daytime and she

was p valley at night. Yet because I was called but here here's the thing that my mother, I think was like eight when they were the Lollipops, and she said she remembers having to um when she sang the song they had to stand behind curtains and have a Caucasian three Caucasian girls sing their parts, and she said

it devastated her from the business. Um that and many other things that she saw in this business, but having to have somebody else sing your parts and it's you and because they're white, Tisha, you mentioned something I want to touch on and and because I want to go back into the career. But you were just talking about fiscal and financial responsibility. Uh tsha. You know, we've tried to read a little bit of everything. But when you when you actually left your marriage, is it true that

you were broke? Did you what? What was your situation? Like, No, that's true. I'm not gonna have seven dollars in the bank. No no, no, no, no, no, I had. I was trying to buy a knife for seven dollars, but I had like twenty something dollars. Well I'm glad you had to get the knife, because who was you gonna use that knife? Phone? Okay, nobody. Every Christmas I would have like, oh man, like thirty forty people at my old house. And once I left, I actually had to move into

a five square foot apartment. And um, while you know, they were going back and forth to the old house and to my five square foot apartment. You know I had to, you know, I well, let me just put it this way. I talked about how being responsible with your gifts, and I knew that I was always responsible. I did my best with my gifts that guy gave me and utilize it as a platform um for the for the greater good, whether it's for my community, my family, whatever. So I knew that I will work um because I

just I pushed that hard. I'm really aggressive when it comes to career, and I'm proud of how I have the relationships that I have in this business because I'm always kind, and I have work ethic and I'm professional and I do what I'm supposed to do. But you know that part going back to zero from whence I had come it was probably the best thing that I

had that has ever happened to me. Well, you know, I talked about it being a beautiful devastation, like when you have to start over, you don't know why, you don't know why you're in this situation, what is happening, how this happened, And when you start, when you have to go to zero, you have to look within, and you have to have faith. And so this is the first time in my life I can say that I had true faith, because faith, to me was you get on your knees, you pray, you get up, you do

the work. That's what I thought it was. But when you're at zero and you don't have and you don't know how you're gonna eat, and you have to start all over, and you have to define who your real friends are, and you have to you know, all of these things come into play, and you have some angels around you. You have angels that come in like Regina and Toshina and you know, my friend Danny and all my brother Stan and all of these people who just

say we're not gonna let you fall. And they didn't like like literally three days after, like about three three or four days, three or four days after, I moved into the five Hood Square for the department. And I mind you, I hadn't lived in an apartment since I was in my twenties. Um three days later I get a call that I got the Regina King pilot. So you have these angels that swooped down and it's like she didn't even know because I kept a secret by

the way I didn't tell anybody. I told nobody that you know, we were separated. I kept a secret and nobody knew. And so you know, you know, I love that story and I love that you found your purpose through that because a lot of people that things break them and they just they just flatland and just like

I can't do it anymore. But girl, I'm telling you, when you got the strength and you have a purpose and you know that that fire is burning in you because you knew that that fire was burning into with that faith, girl, that is that is unstoppable. That is like a say. I had to find my faith. I had to understand and I had to keep going. I even had a person named Shanty DAWs who was right there with me at the moment of where I was like, I don't know how much more I can take. And

there are those moments. Don't get me wrong. I'm not just the fire like I could just you know, I was broken and I was like, how am I gonna feed my kids? And how could this possibly be me in the situation? But I was okay because I still had I still had solid ground to walk on with God and my kids and my and my true friends and my family members who were like, I'm gonna be the friend that you need, the way that you need,

because I was always there for everybody else. You know what, you know, what's wonderful about that, teach allow me to cut you off. What's wonderful about that is that your children were your purpose for you not to go into the dark cold. So you couldn't get in a fetal position and be depressed because you always had somebody that relied on you and you had to be responsible for

a girl. I know that, I know that role just like it happened yesterday, and I had a three month old, a three year old, and a three half year old, so I exactly. You know, you can't even get depressed. You're functioning depressed because you've got somebody that you're responsible for that means more to you than to yourself. You have somebody like that. A J. Johnson, who I've known, you know, which gosh for a very she's not only an actress, but she's also a life coach and those

she popped into my life. There was this one situation, though, tell it. We want to know all of it, all of it. I wanted to she was trying to tell

me that a friend wasn't being a friend. And I was so used to in my old and old Tisha land of protecting anyone it didn't matter what they ever did to me, right, But she was trying to tell me this friend isn't being a friend and I literally concurs, right of course, girl, that's my show, I say everything so um uh So I said, well, you know what, you could get the funk out, and she was like, huh, you're kicking me out. No, I'm kicking you the fuck out. Get the funk out, that's what I call her. And

she was like okay. The next day she called me on the phone and goes, hey, I'm just checking on you. I just kick you. She was like, I am going to be the type of friend that you need. I'm gonna be the type of friend that you need, not the type of friends that's gonna walk away from you at the worst moments. I understand what you're going through, but I'm gonna keep checking on me. I said, you're insane. I'm like nice, okay, and she was like yeah, but

I'm gonna call you tomorrow. And that's what she did. She understood that I couldn't see and that I was blind and that I had a veil over my face. I think a lot of times, y'all, I talk a lot too, so we want out of times this. This business has shield well, my my work shield shielded me from a lot of the stuff that goes on in this Hollywood game because I've been working work, Wark work, Barka, so I didn't see. So there's a lot going on in this place. Because people would go, people say stuff

about Hollywood. I talk what I'm saying like, I literally was like, I don't see what you see. Because I thought I had the greatest friends ever and that the people that I'm connected to or I can't help them make be better people or something. But that's not necessarily the case. Sometimes I think people come out here and they're so obsessed with power and money and prestige that I didn't do it for that reason. So at three or four or five, I got into the business to

help my parents. I got into the business to help other people, and that continued to be the theme of my career, was to help help help others. But now I'm at a place where I'm like, I need to help me and know who I am and really so the COVID isolation gave me the opportunities to just be

still and really learn who Tsha is. And it was the most amazing experience because what I didn't know about Tsha was that I had a lot of creating me and I know that I like to use my platform for the betterment, so I can do all of those things. And I had nobody in my ear telling me what I couldn't do that I'm not and I started to create all of these different shows and all of these i'm developing. I got four shows in development right now,

Thank you God. And um, I'm proud of myself because I took what I knew to be true, which was my create and I made that build me up and I feel so free, so amazing. I feel like a better mother, I feel like a better person, I feel like a better friend. And I think that's where I am right now. Well, I'm proud of you too. Let me just say that, and I wanna be I know, if you think I got a question, he wants to

ask what I want to ask. Out of all your iconic characters that you have played on TV or in a movie, which one was your personal favorite, So between Jay or Gina uh or because you know, we all know you as we know you. For Jane, I love you as j though, because you were older and you were so wise and on my wife and kids. Was gonna put me on the show? I told David was gonna put me on as your brother, but they Yeah, what's was your favorite T shirt? You know what? Um,

it's hard to choose. Its like apples and oranges. But I'm actually rediscovering the Martin Show because I never watched it, you know what I mean? Neither Sheena nor I watch our work. Right man, why didn't you watch it? Why didn't you watch it? We just to Shea and I come from the theater and we come from, um this different type of hustle. And so you know she's from Queens, I'm from Jersey and um, once you finish your job, you just move on and you're trying to get to

the next one, you know what I mean? You know what? You have said a couple of things that just remind me of my partner. Right now, Flame is done, flame, Flame will work on the show, work on the set. And I said flame abou last It's like Nick, I'm moving on to the next thing. I have to put that behind me and work on the next Talk to us about that, that thought process, because the rest of us is sitting here and like, wait a minute, but you killed that, Tisha, Why are you not doing the

same thing again and again and again? And that's not the way it works. Well, I think I think one has to remember that they have to recreate themselves and recreate themselves. And I think it also comes from the fact that um to Sheina and I both Regina think all of these people know that the actual career lifespan

of an actor is only five years. So in order to elongate your career, one has to evolve and you gotta keep And speaking of to Sheena, because you guys just came from hosting the Sole Training Awards for the second time. I talked bad about you about the pending of the outfit last week. To let me tell you their van. It was the first. It was the first please girl, It was the first please for me. I was like, wait a minute, now, who put it in

this monkey hair? But you? But to Sheina was on one of my absolute favorite shows and we were just talking about we got here to the studio survivor's remorse. Let me tell you how dope that show and that writing was, and to Sina killed that role with that Asian actor as her boyfriend baby left and and I got my ups and downs with your with your girlfriend

to China. But I sent a Twitter message and told her about it, about the BT comedy Wars years ago, in two thousand fact, we talked about that another day offline because yeah, that's your girlfriend. I like her too, because she's a brilliant actress. I don't know what keep talking about. I say, I'll tell you offline before you get back to that. We still want to know what

your favorite role was. Okay, So back to that, Like, I'm just starting to look at the Martin Show again because all these pennials and Generation Z they're obsessed with the nineties. And so I keeps me again going back to evolving and recreating yourself. It keeps me a millennial around me at all times, okay, because I got to keep it fresh. So one of my friends, who who is younger, she would always quote Martin Show quote at me, and I will be looking at her like, what are

you talking about? Like, and she would go, you don't know what look at the white shoes. Look at the white shoes is And I was like, no, is that from the Martin Show again, I'm google it. I was like, you will not google to look at the white shoes and it will pop up and showing up my three

T shirt. I'm sorry. My three favorite episodes of you on Martin one when you had on the powder the blue dress with the split and you and Martin was trying to battle who could go longest without sex and when he picked you up and he said, girl, I could not. I love that. When Martin got beat up by the boxer and he had the great, big gass head with all the nots on it, you had to kiss them. That was hilarious. Y'all started dancing and twerking.

You was working long before twerking. And my absolute third third every episode is when you sang in the black mini dress with his t strap dress and you're saying, um, Tina Marie firing desire girl. That was the one that show can be put in the time cap so for two thousand years from now and still be very relevant. That was a great But you know what's interesting, we didn't know what was gonna be like that Wow, it was fucking and it was the ensemble cast that was

so great. It was not just Martin and just you. It was t Shirt, it was called Payne, it was Tommy Ford. Made he rest in peace. So once he passed, I was so glad that you guys did not do the reboot because I didn't want to see anybody else play his role. I only wanted him. And we were just talking about how that show stands and with some of the greatest shows ever. But because we've talked about Norman lear Well, Flame and I just talked about an

episode of Maud and how it was. It was the it was the collaboration, it was the ensemble cast, and that's exactly what you all did. And you all were relatable, and I think you need to know how much you meant too fair families that you know, teacher, I don't know how many people you get a chance to interact with, but it was it was a moment where you could

sit down with the family. I grew up in a single parent home, Tisha, and we would my mother and I would watch this show and we would laugh together because it was always just enough. It wasn't too much where you weren't embarrassed to sit there with your mama and watch you know what I'm talking about. But it

was one of those things. It was this good family fund and it was it was it was it was black excellence, Tisha, and it was just it was just a joy to to actually watch that moment and and just see you and again this was this was mama, that's teaching from a little little shop of horse, you know. So it's just one of those things where it's just always been so much. We went in there to just

make people laugh and feed our families. But we never thought that it would, you know, like be like the Brady Bunch or I Love Lucy, where it just keeps going on and on and on and new new generations discover it. We didn't think. We we when we sit down and talk, were like, can you believe this? We're kind of in shock that people refer to us as icon. We really did not know that. We did not know or see that comment. But I think the best part of that was I still didn't answer your question. By

the way, I don't I don't hear me, sister. I'm paying very close attention. I am, I just like I'm not gonna push on that, but I'm enjoying rediscovering these two characters, Martin and Gina. It's really nice. I mean, people write songs about it. It's it's so interesting. My children enjoyed Martin. My children love Martin. They watched the Martin Show. They loved Martin Show. They when I told him I was interviewing you, my daughters were like, you

gotta view her. They loved the episode when you were trying with Biggie Small. So that's triple the producer here. She loves the episode when you and when you and pay him to Sheina, Oh, triple says she loves you when you and Shea were trying to devide for Biggie Small attention when he was having the talent show. Yeah, she said, she absolutely loves that. That's her favorite episode.

You know, I love I love being able to you know, to Sheina and not even known each other since we were eleven and twelve years old, and um, it was a blessing to be able to do a show like that with one of your friends. You know, that's the

best Sis I've known. And like you said, I did a little type of Horrors with her when I was sixteen years old, and we've been hanging in there and um, we have that knowledge that about only having a five year career lifespan, we we keep doing our best to entertain people and we've we're honored to have surpassed those five years and to have served people in that way.

So let me ask you a question, T Shirt. When did you and to Sheina ever have to go up against each other for roles and one of you all got the role? So because you know, we always like I want this role, I want this role, but your friends? Had that ever become an issue? Did that ever money the waters in your relationship? I love that? I love

that that never did? I think when we first met, we met on an audition and we were the only two people talking to one another and everybody else was you know, you know, snooty Ear doesn't want to you know, I didn't want to have conversations, and we just gravitated to one another. And then next thing you know, I'm calling her, Yo, you heard about this audition, and she was like, nah, it's like all right, come on and

roll with me to this this audition. To just write your agents name down like I would tell her about stuff because because it was like, if I don't get it, I hope she does. And that's the viewpoint we both had about each other. And we've been, you know, silently cheering each other on. We've even had our moments where we have gone and and and you know, lived our lives separately, and you know, she's still working, I was still working. But we were always silently supportive of one another.

And now you know, coming being able to come together and do these kind of things and her, you know, her jokes and she's just the funniest girl. Both of you guys are great singers. But when I love that about that message that you just so it more women, And I'm talking to women, not just black women, but if more women can found the spirit to uplift their friends and their people in their lives to say, I encourage you, do you. But I always wish the best

for people too. I mean teach I call plenty ship, I talk plenty ship. But I always feel like my blessing is gonna come. Whatever guy gonna bring to me, I'm gonna be ready to take it, and it's gonna be for me. When my when Nick came on as my partner, there was a no brainer about who I wanted how I wanted to go half down the middle because this is my partner. I didn't want him to feel cheated. I didn't want to feel like I was bigger than him or better than him. This is a partnership.

And I love that your friendship. You showed that because a lot of people can take that a different way. When she keep beating me out for roles, what if she got three or four in a row and you didn't get one. You didn't take it on the partner. You you encourage your friend. That's a whole woman right there. All you half a bitches out here. I'm talking to y'all because it's a whole woman right here. And it's about knowing that if something's for you, it's for you,

and if it's not for you, for you. And I kept telling Flame like, this is not out how the business works. You don't you don't go out of your way to help somebody else like that, and and Flames like, this is the way I work. This is who I see. That's funny. I don't understand that concept. So I've always been that way, has always been that way. The people that I love have always been that way. So we always encourage one another, We we cheer for one another,

we root for one another. So I don't know any other way of being. So when people say that it's actually shocking. Yeah yeah, Tisha, do you still deal with how do you deal with? Let me ask you this, because again we're talking about friendships. I wouldn't be here right now if we're not for this amazing soul sitting next to me. Right, more than thirty years we've known each other, right, I'm so it's one of those things where I consider playing to be one of the best

blessings of my life period. Right. How do you deal with even now, Tisha? Just disappointment or challenges you know, and and what words or encouragement can give to people because those moments do still come. Are there's still things that you've worked for that you're like, why didn't that roll? Or to such happen? How do you deal with that? And what what words do you give of encouragement do

you give to those who may be aspiring? I think there comes a time you know, as you're working on your own mental wealth and health, as you're as you're working on self, you realize that life is a balance. Bad things are gonna happen. Bad things are going to happen. It's not that and it may be a different lesson. It may be the same bad thing that keeps happening, right, But it's the way that you handle it. It's the way that you deal with and maybe I have to

deal with it in a different way. I have to learn that. Like I remember, even recently, Um, I was having a meeting with a very big network. Uh, this is only a couple day. I was having a meeting with a really big network about one of my projects, and it was so much good news. And then I find out my friend passed away, Troy um Clark, and

it was like it's it's heartbreaking and it's shocking. And at one moment I'm having the most amazing moment and then the next it's like, so you learned to just understand that life is a balance and it's all in the way that you handle it. Like I encourage people to seek therapy, life coach, whatever your thing is, UM, spiritual coach. UM to Sina's aunt was really helpful. She's a pastor UM and she was really helpful. You know, Um, But you know, I have some really amazing people around me,

and just know. I think it's really important that people know that life. Life is gonna balance itself out. Yes, I want to ask you a question. They have nothing to do with the acting and nothing to do with your career. I want to ask you about the vaccine. You know, the vaccine. They're pushing it real hard to come out this week, possibly Wednesday, as early as Wednesday.

I don't allow my children to take the flu shot, so I know for a fact we're not taking I want to ask you, how do you feel about the vaccine teaching? What are you What are your thoughts on You don't have to tell us whether you're taking or not, but what are your what are your thoughts on it? Oh, I'm not taking it? Okay, there, you got there. You don't come off saying I'm not taking it, because usually it takes them years, right, right of just research and

I'm not confident in the science. But that's just me, guys. I'm not INTI vaccines. It's what you want to do with your body and your children and your family. I personally do not take the flu shot because every time I chuck it, I happened to get sick. Um, but that's just me. I'm not saying that that's what it does to everybody. But I'm gonna be real about it, like, that's not that's not something that I personally I'm comfortable doing. Okay, So let's make up. We gonna I want you to

sing because I've made up a song. I haven't made up the words, but I have a title of a song for the vaccine. It's called give It to Your Mama. So go ahead and write a rap and sing about that. It's called give it to your because I'm not taking it. Are you excited now? You know, without going into anything too political where you may not be comfortable talking about, are you excited about the next four years? And are did things shake out the way you wanted them to

with this? That's what I'm talking about. I expected to say something like, well, actually, you know, I'm trying to figure out where the administration made off. No, Listen, when it comes to family and choices and vaccines and stuff, I don't judge anybody for whatever that is. That is totally what is up to them. But when it comes to the next four years and getting rid of what

we've been through the demise of our country. I am very, very excited, and I really you know that's why you know when we you know, we produced the Whole Trade Awards as well. I don't know that. Yeah, we produced them as well, and so it was really important for us to pay tribute to African American women because we really came through this year. We did. You know, we did it. We did it, We did we did did you did you see I'm an African American one? Oh no,

I caught it. And wait a minute, hold on that that's a school. Let me ask. Let me tell you something as a transperformer, as a drag queen performer, so many of us have done be alone tonight as production numbers and then pages and contest and everybody tried to look like you. I want you all to know I headed down to a science when I was a younger girl. Baby I had the body and everything did oh I did?

Baby girls on there were lovely. Uh some of them didn't age that way, but all those girls were loving. That was a joke. You missed it, that went over your head. I'm pretending she knows who I'm talking about. Just hold the smile, you know, I don't hear the flame is talking about, don't play to me. You know I wasn't raised right. I was raising in the projects with a whole lot of boys. Used to catch a girl kissing girl? Did you were you raising the projects?

I'm from North New Jerky. Most people don't know that because I play a lot of buzzy roll. That was the best living ever living in the projects when in the seventies and eighties. I'm telling you all right now, But I want to ask you a question, teacher, serious questions in Chicago. I'm from Chicago. I grew up on the Web. I grew up, I grew up on the West Side. I was educated on the South Side. I did my I came out on the No Side, but I did my best work on the East Side. They

don't know what that means. Tcher. You know what I want to see you do that I've never seen. I want to see you do your serious series dramatic role. Have you ever considered that I actually started out doing drama, A lot of drama. Um, I could not get arrested doing comedy. Oh yeah, if you wanted somebody to drop a tear or two or five or twenty, teacher, was your girl and um, I didn't know what comedy was

and nobody. In fact, I would audition for comedies and I remember this one casting director one of those moments we were talking about earlier that it was criticism, but I actually took it to heart, not to heart, but to the brain, and she said, you need sitcom classes and I was like, Okay, where do I take those? She's like, there aren't any. So I knew that all these comedians were getting deals and I needed to if I was going to get on a show, I had

to learn what it was. So I used to go to the comedy act theater, comedy store, the laugh Factory, sitting the back with the comedians to try to figure out what comedy was. And the really good ones were the ones who told their true life stories. And I was like, oh, it's a thin line between drama and comedy. Got it. Got it. I am flabbergass in the fact that you said that you didn't know comedy as funny as you were on my Oh my god, some of those lines. And the timing was timing, Oh my god.

You can't teach timing. You cannot teach timing. It is,

It's got to be in you. I know that I really good at dancing with different comedians and especially those who come from you know, from the stage and from you know, stand up and what you what you do flame um, But I'm really good at learning who they are, their movements, and then I tried to either enhance support or counter like sometimes some of the actors would get really really big, like you see those moments from are In or from from Gaming, and then I'd go really

ground to you know, ground the scene and see where they would go. But I was also very good at not laughing because I never wanted them to, um miss an opportunity for comedy, So I had to hold my laughter. And Tina was the worst, No, Tommy was the worst. But to set would hold hers and go but you wouldn't know she was laughing on set. You know what show I would have made you well, I thought would

have made you break. Remember this show where you guys had won the trip and Martin when you guys went to the island and the little road in the rat or the gopher or something you will find girl out that ship right there was so funny. We were short and we needed to elongate the scene because we the show wasn't going to make it to the you know, it's usually twenty something minutes and short. And he was like, t I have to know this, so just roll with me. I was like, I got you, and so we just

had to elongate the sea too for everdence. That was so funny, Tita, what can you share with us about You talked about a couple of projects again, we want to make sure we get a chance to plug anything you want to talk about. And before you answer, before you answer, you said it was four shows. There better be a land for the better be a lane or two for training in there. I'm just saying, how how about a lot of Actually is one character that I'm really hoping that they go with because it's a it's

a drama. Actually I can get seriously want the way going off? How do you want me? How do you need me? Please keep that way going? That's all we're gonna ask. Please for everybody's sick, don't do that. One I can talk about which, um I love it's my passion project and the way that I got connected to this woman, Tony de Rivera was actually through watching The Breakfast Club my show. Shout out to Charlemagne dj Envy

and Angela y Y. Yes, right, that's right. And I'm so grateful to them because I saw this woman doing an interview and um, she used to be trafficked. Her name is Tony de Rivera. She used to be human trafficked, and now she they're calling her, they're referring to her as the new Harriet Tubman. She saved over two thousand people last year from being human. And so we're doing a doc your follow of her reconciling families and reacclimating people who have been in the streets back to their

families and to their loved ones. And and I'm really really passionate and proud of this piece because again it's one of the things where I told Tony, I was like, I think we can help people on a broader basis. Please allow me just to push as hard as I can, as she did, and I'm I'm so thankful to her because I just wanted that help in any way shape that is. Teacher. Well, then I'm gonna put you on sparer here. We would love to at some point talk

to you about having her on the show. We're talking about Tony de Rivera and she's the author of the book. Um uh silent screams on the front lines. Correct. And you can follow Tony de Rivera Tony d Rivera, she's on Instagram. So, teacher, let me ask you a question about her. So you said two thousand people. So they were trafficking men and women or boys and girls and just and boys, girls, um, L G B t Q

plus everybody. So, and it's for different reasons. Sometimes it's for sex trade industry or sometimes it's for um, um, what do you call it? Oregon and I harvesting. She talks about that here on the Oregon Harvesting Tisha. Yeah, definitely. Wow. She has been helping so many people, taking her own money, you know, and with her husband and trying to either buy people back or help them get back. And and I was like, just trees. And so I have to thank you know, dj n V and Charlemagne for the

platform that they gave her, because it took me. It took me weeks to have the courage to call her. I mean I didn't call her and um because I didn't know how I could help. But I know, I just reached her and I was like, I just got it, But want to tag your something out, So what should we look for from you, Tisha? How should we support because now you have the flame mats and everybody who has been part of laugh and learned, Tisha, we love you,

we consider you family. How can we support this project and mission um and the and the message you want to put forward. We just want to put those roses we call them, they call them roses on the streets, you know, get those roses back and we plant them. And she has a foundation called Rolls the Roles Foundation, and however anybody can contribute to that, UM, but go on her page. UM, we are doing like legitimate you know, in the streets, we're doing that kind of work. So

you know she's funding everything by herself. Were share, We're going to share that information on this That was great. I would have never known about it. Head you I mentioned, I didn't know. I didn't know that. I knew about the human trafficking, but I didn't know about this lady. And because I haven't seen Ali her and we will let you all connect offline to something that is great. That's amazing you have shown us today. Girl. You are

so much more than what I said. An actress singer moh dancer and mom, girl, you are a a warrior and I like it. I don't got warrior in us. I got male and female warrior, and I got male and female warrior and me. So you come on way to baby. The left titty as the girl and the right titty is the guy. I'm telling you right now, teacher, that's a whole lot. Are you ready to have that on set? That's what I'm asking you, you know, because that audition gonna be a lot. You need to be

ready for that teaching. You made a you made a point about this woman being the new Harry. Tell me. You got a great joke about Harry. Tell me. I said that Harry Tubman had to be the first trans man ever, because you know, trans me and a women who identified as me and looked like me. That's how she got away with so many times, because she was looking like a little like a little dude running back

and forth. Because I'm telling you something right now, I wouldn't have been a good slave if I would have got away. Y'all was on y'all own. I wasn't coming back for nobody, my mom and my kids, everybody has been stuck. Baby, I'm having but I have to tell you, just let you know is not alone on that one flame, said Nick, you would have been one selling us out for a two piece flame hiding over there. As soon as I see a spicy guy give flame hiding over their mouth, so I see flame, look at them right

over there. Love Chicken, Love Chicken, Tischer, Campbell, Markin, We love you. I thank you so much for doing this. We all want to share that making me very information. I just want to keep my faith my fist up to you and say I'm proud of you. I love that you know who you are because in my words that I tell everybody, can't no bit do what you do. Can't nobody do when the next person does, find your lane and enjoy your lane because nobody is going to do They can do the same job you're doing it,

but they will never do it like you do. And Teach Campbell, can't nobody do it like you? Let me hit that. See I can't, I can't, I can't even hit the day, ladies and gentlemen, Teacher Campbell, Martin, actress, singer Mom dancer of that, I wait on that phone call for that audition. Thank you beautiful, And before we close out, because you know that many of the flame maks have been asking you to to do this, to do what it is that you do, which is just talk to people and have a show go where it's

one of the things. You are talking people you've watched, you've admired over the years, and you asked her some great questions. What did you learn? I learned today that she is a philanthropist and she's the whole person because she sees the world in black and white. She don't she ain't making the world be what she wants it to be. And even though a life lesson that she and she was taught us many life lessons. If you guys, listen to those stories, because you can take things and

you can make them however you want to be. So you can tell ten people can tell or two people can tell you one thing. You can take the good or you can take the bad, or you can find a message up under what both of them have told you. I love that she gave you all the message and what we said a little bit earlier. Baby, you never know how strong you are until you have to be. We appreciate you teaching coming Mark, for sharing your story.

We're glad that you found your way back. We are more glad that you found you because, like I told you before, you can't have from yourself everywhere you go, there you are, and just so we are also recognized the fact to flame you and I've talked about how every conversation is a blessing. We learned something I was not familiar with Tony de Rivera or the work UM in this passion project that now teach us a part of. We will definitely be sharing more information on about that

when we post the show. Because we have UM, we've lived in Chicago. We know that there are people who are on the streets. We know that there are often people who are in situations we've been blessed. We weren't. Weren't part of that. You know, I worked the streets. Oh you may just live I work, But I didn't work the streets when I was you know, I'm just you know, this is laugh and learning. If I'm not gonna tell you all the truth, nobody can nobody tell

my story better than me. Yes, I did work the streets. It was very shortly, maybe like a year or two, but I had a great time. Okay, so that's not today's topic. That We're gonna come back to that. Ladies and gentlemen, we have had an amazing time. I'm so glad that my partner is back here with me today next to me. If this is my buddy, my partner, we thank you guys for joining us here at Laugh

and Learn just here each and every monthy. You can also catch me on Coffee Time, doing doing throughout the week and Love Lounge some nights. Please follow me at Flame Underscore Monroe on Twitter, at Monroe Flame on Instagram and Marcus Flame mon Role Parker that's the whole legal name on Facebook, as well as you can follow my partner, Nick Smith at at Nick Smith News on all platforms. So yes, and my and my manager Lauren Hogan over there was just Lauren Armani Hogan. Uh learn our money

h on Instagram. And if you want to book me or and Nick together, it's he she We bookings at gmail dot com. If you're not familiar with what he she is. He cash your check, she makes the money. We spend it. The same bitch that's talking to you and looking at you and you're looking back it. That's one person. He she weak. I got three subtypes. Three pronouns and that all works for me. Ladies and gentlemen. This is Laugh and Learn. This is episode number four,

and I'm telling you it was great. Please join us next week. We have had an amazing time. We are out of here, Nicholas, that we out of here. We're out, Hey Cat, nobody doing like fla la la. We're playing Monroe. Here we go. Laugh and Learn is a production of The Black Effect Network and I Heart Radio. Our executive producer is Tiffany Haddish. The show is produced by Triple Our theme music is by Chrissie Paine.