A Lesson in Black History: There is no one answer

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a great show today. We got some major topics we're gonna bring in our party because you know, some things happen this week in the news. Some names we will mention and some names we won't exactly. Um, So this is Black History Month, which is almost over with the twenty second day of February, and uh, I want to acknowledge two black historians. One would be um Mr Copeland, so Lauren can talk more about about Mr Copeland. And I want to say the other one before I forget,

because you know I forget, it's Harriet Tubman. So we'll start with Mr. Copeland. Because Lauren is a technically trained dancer. She's a donout, which is a Davie Allen Dance Academy. She is a donout for years. So Laura really can dance, y'all. Laura can can kick to this top of this garage. Let me just let y'all know I can't. Yeah, it's it's a huge milestone. And the first black ballerina, let's say, in a major company in the US, was actually Lauren

Anderson and she danced for Houston Ballet Um. But Misty Copeland, it was a huge milestone for her in that American Ballet theater um has been around for you know years. Uh, the exact number, I'm not sure, but she was the first black ballerina to ever be the principal dancer for the company. UM. And it's it's a huge milestone to have you know, Um, black ballerinas in general. UM it's hard, you know, because to be a ballerina you have to

have a certain shape, a certain build. UM. In Russia, for instance, you know, when you're like nine years old, they literally assessed you to see if you have the body to be a ballerina. UM. So black women in general were everything from A to z uh. So, to finally have someone who doesn't fit the you know, the stereotypic mold. She's very muscular. You know, she's got boobs. Um.

It was just an exciting sight to see. And she's done so much to really engage young black women to say and you know little girls too, to say you can do this as well. You know, she's transcendent and broken barriers. You know, she's been the face for Armor, uh, the fitness brand. UM. She's written children's books. UM, she's performed at the Grammys. She was Prince's muse. She just

encompasses so many different things. So the simple fact you know that she finally got that recognition to say, hey, I'm the first black ballerina for the American Ballet Theater, which has been typically I'm gonna be honest as a racist company. It was huge, It really was. So congratulations and hats off to Misty Copeland. I think Lauren I first became aware of her after watching So You Think

you Can Dance? You know, for those of us who don't know the history of dance, I think more often than not, that's one of the areas where we're made familiar with some of the people who dance because you are a fan of that show too. You love the host, Oh my god, Nicola, but it sounds so it's sound because my mother loves So you Think you can? Uh, So you think you dance? And what's a dance with the Stars? And I'm like, mom, nobody watches. Actually I

love my Dace with the Stars. You're gonna leave. My dadkces with stars. Alonge and some of them have gone on or either started with so she knew some of them. She's like, oh, so and so and so you're thinking of dance. Now they're dancing with the star star. I love dancing with the stars. To dance with this, I

love y'all. Look, I love y'all. Um, Nick, Mr Copeland to me, because what's Lauren what you said about boots Because I know they want a ballerina, principal ballerina to be pretty much like a twelve year boy, like a stick figure, like straight up and down. No seriously, no, no booty, no enhancement, because what you are is the representation of whatever that dances. So you really are invisible

as the character. You're just presenting the character. I don't want to see you as that person, so you could be dropped the gorgeous beautiful. It's not like people not going to see that. Whether you're you know, playing Black Swan or the Swan from Swan Lake. Um, you know it's gizelle. Whatever that character is, you definitely have to

emulate it. I would have been all this booty and these t nobody would have been out to the Black Swan, the Black Crush, because I'm would have failed straight down on me. I mean, honestly, that's probably the reason why I didn't necessarily want to become a ballerina, because one, I was always worrying about my weight and just personally, my weight goes up and down, you know, we joked about it on the show. But also too, I didn't like taking class, which is so important. It's a part

of your foundation. You know. If you don't go to class, you can't perform. And I just wanted to be in rehearsal and I wanted to be on stage, and that just this mold. I also didn't want to lose paycheck to paycheck either, and I wanted some more instability in my life. But it's all of those things. It's a lot to be a dancer. I have to you know, upkeepe your body and the injury ease, and it's it's a lot, it really is so and that was my whole life from five until that's just years ago. Yeah,

I respect the art of dance. I respect the discipline that comes with dance. And I only know this from doing the campaign with you guys last year. But I saw those kids diligently rehearse and rehearse and reheard, and I was like, I'm done. Let me tell you why those kids love me so much. Because I was the star of the show, and I said, I made ten minutes for the bathroom. Guess what, everybody got to get a break because I got ten minutes for the bear.

They fucking loved me flame. You also mentioned Harriet Tubman. What what may? What what may? Harry tell me come to mind today? There's your story of determination black woman saving the get saving the day way back in the eighteen sixties before recognition. Why they tell me they don't want to put her on the twenty dollar bill a black woman saved day? I just personally, my joke is I think that Harriet Tubman was the first trans man

because he was looking for a black woman. I think Area was quite masculine looking because she got away over and over and over, hadsong until you hear it. Because I really came back and got nobody ain't coming back to getting newbody. I'm not the last. And me let me tell you, I don't like to be I never like to be spanked. I never like to be hit. I never like nobody put their hands on me. I

know I would have been a horriblest like god. I would have told on everybody, And honestly, I don't know if I mean it's an interesting to watch, but you don't know if you're gonna be able to survive that too, Like I don't know what that mental capacity took. You know that due diligence, that strivee. I don't know what that was like back then. So LA determin nick exactly and no, determine that works, because that's what this is. I think this is all why we recognize the platform

we have. We stand on the shoulders of giants, we really do. And it's one of those moments where, yeah, we have a month to celebrate, but every day is worthy of recognizing the accomplishments of our ancestors because our assessors endure things that we sit here and say, I don't know if I could have taken it. You think they wanted to take it. They did what they needed to do in that moment to survive and be with them families and lean on faith. So yes, absolutely, my

shoutout kind of ties into that flame. I want to recognize this for Black history as well, because you all know earlier this week I was trapped out of town, couldn't travel. I woke up to my hotel middle of the night. Literally I felt like the spirit called me, turned on TV and a program was on called The Black Church, This is our History on PBS. Don't know. They hadn't heard anything about it, and all it did was just talking about the history of the Black Church

and what it means for the community. You guys, they want everything over, everything from the Hawkins family to um pastor Eddie Hawkins, you know, flame you and I've talked about Tremaine Hawkins and Sylvester and the tie to the church and how all of it is just tied together into our history. So my shout out is for everybody to try to catch that as they can. And I believe it's narrated by uh Skip Gates, so it is. Uh,

it's fantastic on PBS, The Black the Black Church. You know, all you Bible total thumpers don't here, all you Christians don't here, and all you all you what they call it Bible bell folks on here right now. When y'all say gays don't go to church. If they don't, it ain't no quiet, I promise you. It's always a city in church, and it's always the city acquired usually acquired director. Let me just say, allowed, lord, what's this black history?

Blacker historian represents for you this week. I mean Mr Copeland, I mean you kind of took the debate for me, um, because I know we kind of talked about that. Well, what about Judith Jamison. You know what, it's so interesting that you mentioned Judith Jamison. Judith Jamison was one of the baddest dancers. I have to say, black, tall, tall, drink water at Alvin Ailey. Um. You know Miss Allen, you know she's my mentor. We talked about her, Debbie Allen.

She always compared me to her because I would be in class and I was always tall. I was always tall. I have really long legs, and I was really insecure about my height when I was younger, to the point that I would kind of like close myself off when I was dancing so that way I could kind of blend in more. And I always had to do more, like I had to be a step ahead of everybody because I had more to move always. So Miss Alan used to always be like Miss thaying, think of Judith

Jamerson and kick them legs up. If you kick somebody, so what kick him? No, move out the way. You have to be long, you have to be tall. She was like, do you know how many times I danced next to Judie Jamerson and I just wanted to have her height and her leg and her reach. So that was always an example that she gave to me. So that's probably is why I love her so dearly. She really encourages you to be your best self. So it's so interesting you brought up Juice Chambers. I want the

water and everything. Let me tell what I loved about Judith Damson. She was a grand evil like like she walked in like very secily Tyson, rest in pieces. I always seem her presence was always I'm watched me very very what's the black um Jesse Norman? Like I'm in the room, nothing else is in here. This goes back

to something else you always talk about too. I think it's that confidence, right that if you can instill that confidence in a person and person who walks into a room like you can't tell me anything, and it's not arrogance. It's a confidence where they they are comfortable in their spirit, they're comfortable in their body, and and and it just moves into shows absolutely two more things I want to make sure we touch on before we go to our

topics today. I want to talk about no please, I want to talk about I also want to recognize for Black History quickly, Regina King. We touched on this before, but Regina King just made history Golden Gloves making history nominating three female directors, and Regina King for being nominated for One Night in Miami. So I still haven't a chance to check that out. But I want to give Regina a shout out to because I know we all

love her as well, and she holds this Saturday Night Live. Yeah, so she's Yeah, congrats to her, and I think her directing career is really kicking off. So I'm really excited for her. I'm proud of girl. Who would have thought. It just goes to show you that if you stay in it and you stay focused and you've got people around you to keep you lifted up. Look how she has come from playing Little Brenda onto seven. Wow. I just want the catlet commercial? Should I want to? I

just want the commercial. You know, we talked about it earlier, We kind of alluded to it. We've had a couple of celebrity losses this uh in the last week, and I want to recognize two of them, Uh, Larry Flint, and I say that simply we know him as Hustler magazine. But Larry Flint really was a leader in free speech in so many ways because he challenged and took his case to the Supreme Court. And someone I was not

familiar with, ladies, um, Johnny Pacheco. And the reason this stuck with me Johnny Pacheco, who was a Dominican musician. I know we have a huge his in the community and and so many people are Latino who follow us and are from the Islands, but I guess Johnny Pacheco was a Dominican musician considered to be the godfather of Susa, and this is what got me. He's famous for popularizing Latin music and made a star of Celia Cruise. My

Celia Cruise story. I remember because you know, um, I remember seeing this beautiful black woman who was, you know, full figured in everything there and I remember saying to my mom it blew my mind because she didn't speak English, she spoke Spanish, like, Mom, how can a black woman do that? And my mom was like, because baby, she's from the Islands. Yeah, she she's not black. And I'm like,

but as a kid, you don't know. And so all that to say it was just one of those things that just a beautiful woman who you know, was I believe helping you guys. I think Celia Cruise was Cuban uh one one okay, but just just amazing. So yes, that that was the shout out I wanted to give

to Mr Poteco. And I think that's interesting too because, like my I grew up in New York, so she's always been aware of the melting pots of you know, the black community, whether you know or after Latina or whatever you are, so um, she's always kind of had the eye to be able to identify who's who. Um. But I think that's also important to talk about two because a lot of people don't understand that, you know, black comes in like fifty million different shades. It's not

just one shade, you know what I mean. And we all have different backgrounds, we all have different you know, genetic makeup. That that's what makes us so special and so authentic. Um kind of had that revelation. Tou Nic Flames comedy colleague Ada Driguez does a show called Truth Serum, and she literally just did a whole just did a whole piece on after Latina and how she even is aware of her privilege being lighter, and she's like, you know, we come in every shade. She has members of her

family who she says are darker than me. So that's just another example of how how many different shades we come as people of color. So yep. Ms Cruz was one of the first women to make the shoes that look like the heels that look like it didn't have hell it cut away, ay and b. I used to do drag shows and when the Latin girls would do but the whole Bible would erupt, Oh my god, and all the Latino people in the place would go berserk.

I thought it was right. I almost got my shirt and ran out one day, and so it ductor baby, all the Latino people go crazy. You know who else? They do that for Selena, Oh Selena. It's like her fans are like to be had. Say something wrong about Selena, the Lattin people will cook you in the pot. I say that down, I've had something. It was tasty tween Selina's voice in that body, she was, you know, just phenomenal. So yeah, so rest in peace Mr Larry Flynn and

Mr Johnny Pacheco. But not everyone is, you know, worthy of us are talking about. So yes, yeah, we got some other people this week. I'm not gonna say no names because their names need not be mentioned on this platform. But in the words of the Lake poet, the great Mark Twain, and I'm gonna try to quote it perfectly and perfectly, he said that I have never wished a man did, but I read many obituaries that have given

me joy. Uh indibituary and even out. But I'm smiling like a chess you cat, Oh my god, you guys before I know our flame ma's are ready to sound out because flame, you gave everybody homework. And before we get to their homework assignment, do we need to recognize how people have been sounding off on the internet about Joe Biden having lied and uh, the latest with Ted

Cruz and Governor Cuomo. So let's first of all, let's start with Ted Cruise because I know people are gonna drive him in the comment because I feel like we need to also have a clear, clarifying conversation around Biden.

But let's just disgust Nick, if you can just remind us all what exactly Ted Cruise did this past week that have people in an uproar well, Ted Cruise did what I get, but I'm not a representative senator for the state during the middle of a tushee Nicholas touch so so Mr Cruz chose to go where it was warmer and vacation for a bit because the conditions at home were uncomfortable. Well, guess what, Mr Cruz happens to represent a constituency in Texas who expects him to be

there and hopefully fighting for them during difficult times. Mr Cruz chose to jump on a plane and go to Cancoon with his family. And not only that, After being confronted, Mr Mr Cruz blamed his daughter for the reason he was down there. Now, mind you, he his wife, his daughter. We now know they invited a couple of friends with whom he had gone to college with h so this was not a spontaneous moment like he later said. Oh, I just went down to make sure they got there safely.

Mr Cruz was outed by the media for not being in town in the middle of a crisis while many Texans are still suffering. And it's difficult because Texas loves to moderate and legislate a woman's uterus, but will not legislate and moderate a solid here an electricity supply in the time of a crisis. That's something that needs to be looked at. That's it, and Ted Cruise, it's not even I kind of made a comment when I first

saw everything that was happening in the media. I was like, is he really that stupid or is he really just that arrogant? And I had to take a second and realized Ted Cruise is actually really not stupid. It's no different when he made the comment, um, when Joe Biden rejoined the Paris Accord and he went and said, oh, this is gonna take away thousands of jobs from people living in Pittsburgh, and so he Ted Cruise intentionally does things that, um, you know, it exhibits that he doesn't

care about his people, he doesn't care about his community. Hell, he doesn't care about his family because he let Trump talk major crap about his wife and now he just blamed his daughter. So and then on top of that, the clue to grass he left his dog outside you

know where the dogs? Oh my god. So I I really hope that this is the cool to girl for him to not be re elected, because I think he's up for re election because the yeah, so I hope in two years, Texas, you remember all that Ted Crews did and how he left y'all hanging and left his dog out in the cold and blamed his daughter for what he did, and I'll re elect him. And let's break that down. Let's break those three things down, because nigger, you left the dog. Let's start with that. You left

the dog. Y'all have more connection about what was the name crazy Karen in Central Park over the dog than you did over the black man, because she's dragging the dog around, swinging them around, and like y'all more angry about that. Second of all, y'all new Ted Cruise when ship what Lauren just said, He allowed Donald Trump to disrespect his wife publicly in his face and call her ugly,

and then you still jumped on his camp. Then, nigga, you turn around and sell out your kid and say you were going on the vacation because your daughter wanted to go. Understand and that the DNA of this person is not the DNA of a man. This is the DNA of a coward. Loren says, she thinks that he knows what he's doing. I disagree. I knew the nigga was bat she had crazy when he stood on the Senate floor, in the Congress floor and talked for twenty four hours about green eggs and ham. First of all,

I read that book when I was four. Second of all, if the eggs is green and the hand main brown, nigga, I don't want it. You give it to your mom. I'm sorry, give it to your wife or your daughter. Since you blame him for everything else. You should have left it with the dog, since you left him in the gold. I'm just saying I said it, and I

think the food of ross me today was um. I was watching the Senate hearing for Merrick Garland to become a g for Joe Biden, and Ted Cruz had the floor, and he had the nerve to say, you know, he basically tried to say that Eric Holder, who is Obama's former Attorney General, Um sat in when sat sat in his confirmation rather and said he would be by partisan and he wouldn't be you know, for his party or

whatever the situation. Maybe so tech crewis have the nerve to sit there and basically shame Eric Holder and talk crap about Eric Holders, saying that he didn't uphold his values of the Constitution in terms of you know, not being bipartisan. You're supposed to remain a political but I'm like, did you forget what bar did? So he's very hypocritical. I'm just really over tech crews in general. I think

Cress really upset a lot of people. And for the record, going on the record, Mary Garland will be confirmed, not even worried about hopefully tex Hopefully the person the people who have has been effected the most about Texas right now, I mean back cruise, which is Texas. Will get your assets up and vote because he can only vote for himself one time. Y'all keep voting him and I'm not blaming y'all, but yeahs, y'all got to get him out. If y'all y'all want to do better, y'all gotta vote

and do better. Which will go on to the Biden lie because had we changed the Senate, Biden's hands would not be as tired as they are. They're trying to rail rod him to any way he did. Barack Obama and pigeonholed him to world. He only had a limited power. We have to change the Senate to more people that look and think like us, even Republicans. It's not all bad Republicans. They just got a bad rep right now

because the Trump But all Republicans are not bad. But what was that Biden the lives of with that we're not gonna get the fifteen an hour from minimum wage and that they change the income bracket I think for the four d dollars stimulus checks, but they MS McConnell is still only mission and then enough power with you all listen to what the school who is not longer the president, he still say Windom and y'all should be

blaming them other senators. We have forty three for us and what it was forty three, forty seven, fifty three right, y'all need it? We needed more senators, Republican senators to join with us and stop being afraid they are terrified or whatever power this food holds over them. And the collateral damage is the American people. I eat. I'm an American person. This is this is my issue, and I don't think people are gonna like what happens. That's I'm gonna say. This is my issue. Um, the problem I

think that we have. We'll all speak specifically to the Democratic Party because I'm a part of the Democratic Party. I vote Democratic. The problem that I have and I think this is similar to the conversation that we had around Lovery Lightfoot. We as a party are so quick to attack each other and to I understand holding us accountable, but we're so quick to attack each other. Something doesn't happen quick enough, or you know, we're gonna criticize each other.

All that does is give more credibility to the Republicans or you know, the far right, whoever we want, whoever we're gonna, you know, put them over there with. It only gives them more credibility when it comes up time for re elections to happen, for us not to get into office. So my issue is Joe Biden has been in office for all of thirty days, a little over thirty days, and y'all are mad already, like, oh my god, he hasn't done this fast enough. He hasn't done this

fast enough. It took George Bush, because they're ready forgets how bad of a president George Bush was. It took him eight years to lead us into a recession, and it took Barack Obama eight years to lift us out of it. And yes, people can argue that Obama didn't do everything that he promised, But none of y'all have been president, So chill out one. Y'all have no idea what that office hold. You'll have no idea what he's on, what's on his plate every day, and the myriad of

things that he has to combat. Yes, we elected him, but give Joe Biden at least a year. He hasn't even gotten his whole cabinet together yet, and y'all are mad trying to criticize him and all that's gonna do in four years when they get somebody else in the Republican Party to be the nominee, whether it's not Trump, y'all gonna give that person credibility to come with the strategy to say, well, look what Joe Biden did. And all these Democrats were upset about it. Chill out. Did

you hear what she's saying? She said, Yeah, it's a lot on his plate. You don't know what's on his plate. We new what was on the last president plate McDonald's country yourself. But don't forget he held up Taco bell for single DEMYO. So Joe Biden a lad. Joe Biden has tried and he's going to continue to try. We have to work with him. I completely agree with what Laurence said, we always so quick. He is not Helen Keller, he is not a miracle working. He's just one man.

And he did win, and we voted for him to win. So we have to have a little more patience to let him get into this job. When you start, your new job is to learn by doing process. Should we still try to learn how to hook up this damn equipment? But you need to let us a learn by doing process. And you have to have patience to work with the people. Y'all too quickly, this councel culture and what has not

been done. Stop. I'm back to Kennedy. That's not what your what your president can do for you, ask what yourself, what you can do for your damn president. We should be upholding him all the negativity in this country, with this whole Corrunna Bouyer crap. We need to really stand behind him, and we're gonna have to be on the roller coaster of mistakes and and on the successes of this presidency because this is who we chose. This who we chose. We talked about it for weeks before and

half months. This is who we chose work. Let's work with this party. And and I'm talking to the Democrats called Republican mad about everything. They just man, they know they sucked up putting their in in position to be their spokesperson. So they still man. I'm talking to the Democrats, have some patience. Back it up, pull out, and I'll say, this is the one thing that you can be mad that I'm kind of mad about the Democrats about is

the impeachment managers that ran Donald Trump's impeachment. I'm upset with them. If y'all want to be mad at somebody being mad, be mad at them because I feel like they didn't do their due diligence to really get the votes that they needed in terms of bringing witnesses forward. You know, the subpoena Donald Trump and he said, well, I'm not complying. I don't know anybody any other American that gets subpoena and can just say I'm not coming

and not get arrested and put it in jail. So, if y'all want to be mad at some Democrats, even at the impeachment managers, that they didn't do all that they could have to really get Donald Trump impeached for the second time. I think I think with with that, I'm just gonna say that I think that was a tough road to hold. I think that many walked in already having decided how they were going to vote, regardless of the amount of evidence put forward. What I did

think that they did. Unlike the first impeachment, I felt like this was less of a show and more by the numbers and straight to the point, like, look, we're not going to belabor the point. I love the way they laid out their case actually, with the whole timeline of events and what the uh the former president was doing at the time. But I agree with you, I just wish that more could have possibly been done to follow through with witnesses and things like that. Now that

we know people definitely want to testify. I want to say this because I know we want to move in and open the floor. Why don't we move Governor Cuomo as we continue to learn more to next week. That will give people a chance to kind of figure out what's happening with that, so that we can give our flame mets a chance to jump on in there with what you want. I think we can talk to I don't want to attack Andrew only because you know I'm

gonna have this. Well, it's not even about attacking. I think that what we can say is the Governor Cuomo have been front and center during UH much of the early stages of the pandemic, and now they're just questions being brought to light about whether or not all the information was presented forward. And I think what I want to say more than anything is that I think we all deserve to have a bit of transparency wherever the

science leads, wherever the facts lead. I think that we all want to just know exactly what's happening in the number of people who may have been um UH failed by this virus. Yeah. Well, I'll say this, and I may be a little biased because I do like Andrew

Cuomo as well. My thing is he's relying on his scientists and his doctors and his health officials to kind of give him the numbers, and I feel like if they didn't have their strategy together and you know, all of their people accurately documenting what was happening, he was just relaying the information that he was leaning on his experts for and if his experts kind of failed him, he's gonna end up being a sacrificial lamb. Now, I

don't know if that's true or not. You know, maybe they gave him the information and he didn't do what he needed to do with it and provide proper insight or you know, proper explanation around it. But I'm leaning towards my first inkling is that maybe they were They were the epicenter. They didn't know, nothing's ever really happened like this in a hundred years. They did the best that they could, and you know, maybe some balls got dropped. And because he is the governor, he's turning into the

sacrificial lamb. Was being investigated by the FBI. Now, and Lauren, can we say this to Lauren Flame? Haven't we always said own it? I watched Governor Cuomo said, the buck stops with me. I take full responsibility. What however this goes, I take full responsibility. I never see a leader step out and do that. I thought that that right there

was commendable. And let me tell you, when I knew that Andrew Cuomo was pure, full owned gangster, when he didn't fall inland with this foolishness, when this whole coronavirus this coronavirus came out, and he didn't follow for the fauci Oki doke or the Trump who woo, and he did what he needs to do for his state and his city. That's when I knew Baby Andrew gonna do what he needs to do to take care of his people. He showed care and he agreed. He showed leadership because

everybody ain't got leadership. Because you're in a position to be a boss, you need to act like when everybody just got Some people got the title and don't know how to do the job. Trust me when I tell you mother can do the job. I don't want to be the governor of New York, but I like to live in Manhattan, you know, Fifth Avenue. I'm just saying or or or or former Seneca, you know, like Lauren brought up last week. You know because uh that that hey,

they still owe you your forty acres in the mule? H. Well, hello t t J, n lam s t J. She's no affection. She's yeah here, she's effectively known on this page is t t J. And even though her name is Waye Williams on Instagram. So we want to ask you, what are your thoughts on it could be over all the topics we've discussed between Ted Cruise, Joe Biden or Andrew Cuomo, give us, give us the goods, well for for snake, Ted, you know he knows what he said.

Only relevance is making people hate him because no one can blindly be that dumb. And even his wife supports him on outlying just things. I mean, when you look at her text messages, she was telling people in their neighborhood that they were getting ready to go. So none of that was by accident. He just thought he could do, almost like when Christie government, Governor Christie because his family to the beach that was supposed to be closed down. Jan how's the weather there in St. Louis? It is

beautiful today. It's like forty six almost fifty. Uh. I see that Nellie. Nellie's mansion is for sale. Let's buy it, you know. But it's so messed up. I mean, it's so much, you know, he's left it so long, neglected, is so long that it's just a frame of a building. And it's too bang. God, it's just too much for my talent. But it's it's in a good part of town. It's Bibe where we have this artificial uh ski slope called I can't think in the name of it, but

it's a nice spot to be in. I like I like the buy, I like the bad and rented out to two families with section name, you know, just for to come up. Yeah, in the area of town that it is, that would be an ideal spot for um our airbnb. But when you get people who really really have money, they know how to put their neighborhood covenants on lockdown for stuff like that. I have to worry about the airbnbs. They don't have to worry about it in that neck of the world. Well, Jan, we thank

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after this, Theresa, lets it all look at the baby. Teresa. I want to ask you a question. I need you so first of all, let me introduce you guys to this is Theresa Griffin. Records are recording artists, extraordinary entertainment, my friend. I play her music always and have introduced so many of you. Play mats to Teresa Griffin. You know Naked Soul, that's my CD. That's when I love and uh we play a lot of her music and

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Joe Biden saying people saying that he lacked Oh my goodness. Well, you know a lot of people don't know how many entertainers are really black historians. So I'm gonna have to start with Earth the kid. Because she was out of the White House, she was asked to leave before she ate dinner, speaking yes, but speaking her fine. Uh. And then she went over, she went abroad and and she made a career for herself, h much like Josephine Baker,

but um in a totally different way, say Sebone Darling. Um. And then she came back and want of Tony and did all these other things. So um, entertainers have fought for so long, Harry, Harry Delafonte. Um, you know Dorothy Dandrews today, Yes, Nina simone On on such a large scale, people thought she lost her mind. But truly what it was that she just could not deal with how they treated African American artists and how they wanted us to be silent and just sing and take it. And it

broke her heart, It broke her spirit. And so um, those I could name several, Oh Billie Holiday, they just need a movie about, Oh my God, and just think how they wouldn't They didn't want her to sing in Carnegie Halls so many times, so many times, so so so hard she fought to sing there at Carnegie Hall. And and and how often they broke her heart. You know, they don't know what they went through in order for them to to be so disrespectful these days. So um,

oh you just said something. So you know what you just said. For the young artists and for the artists out here now we now we know what privileged feels like because some of them feel privileged for the work that some of us did way back in the day.

So when we say to white people, you I want to understand what white privilege is, or when you say people who say they don't understand what privilege is, if you're in that situation, then you understand where privilege is because you're watching somebody who's younger than you, who's not as talented as you, but who has moved in spaces that you have created for them not re recognize you and not respecting you. I'm telling you it's a double as sword. If you sit back and pay attention to it,

it is huge on so many levels. Great Great Charles. When you think about what Charles went through, how he literally was like, well, I'm not gonna play this venue. I'm out of here. The things so many artists that they can't even name, and for us to be disrespectful to one another, to call each other bitches and house Uh wait a minute, now, hold on, no, no, no, I'm not talking about affectionately. I'm talking about disrespectfully. Yeah, talking about disrespectfully and and how we embrace it and

say it's okay. What Rosa, Parks and all of those people went through in order for us to not even to not even want to dress respectfully on stage. They don't understand what queen glamour is. They don't understand where Queen Glamour came from. You know, it's they don't understand the money that goes into Queen Glamour and where they came from. You know how much money goes into Queen glamor,

the real queen glamor, don't get me started, so any mood. Uh, we can talk about ten crews behind and and how people will continue to put in efficient people in office who don't care about them and wonder why those people still I won't care about them. It's like the woman who took the snake home with it because he was froz because he had all this beautiful dollar and then when he unthought even and then all of a sudden

he says, why did you bite me? He said, well, come, you knew I was a snake when he took me home. That sounds that sounds very Adam and Eve, Eve was that snake? Frozen? Girl? You're doing us? You knew it was warm out there in the grass. Girl. I don't know why it was, but it was something that was big about it. Oh. It's always a great story, Teresa Griffin,

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You're welcome. Thank you. Teresa Griffin every Tuesday, every Thursday on Facebook and on Instagram, six pm Central Standard time, y'all can watch and she and she's a great cook. She from Louisiana, you know all them bitches from Luisiana. And I had to cook and put voodoo on you love listen. So we got to talk about the subject that I had. You got to did your homework forward because we've got time is moving on, and I want to talk about the subject of um um, how do

I say it? Okay, So I am that's a transgar couple, trans man and the trans woman, and they're they're married and they have they had a baby. Now that's not even the issue because was very um hetero sex to have the baby, but the trans man was in had in vitro fertilization because they were having issues because they both started taking hormones so they could have a successful,

uh healthy baby. But the state of Illinois listed the trans man as the father and the trans woman as the mother, right even though the trans man was the one who actually had and carried the baby. So technically the trans man is biologically the mother even though not on the paper, and the trans mother is actually the father, but not on paper. So we want you guys the way in and tell us what you think about that.

Maybe I didn't explain it the best. I let launge, but because you know, I'm just trying to ABC for you guys, because I know somebody's like, what who yes, So to kind of just break it down a little bit, there was a transgender couple married couple in Chicago. The trans uh gender man and his name is Miles Brodie Davis and the trans woman's name is Precious I'm sorry, Brady Davis, and um, they decided that they were gonna

get married and they wanted to start a family. So because of that, um like flames said, they decided to do in vitro and uh, the transman Miles ended up carrying the baby because, like he said on his TLC special, he was you know, provided the equipment. So they made the decision to have Myles carry the baby, and um, Precious was just very supportive throughout the whole process. They actually ended up having a TLC special called My My Pregnant Husband and um, Flame, I sent you the Entertainment

Tonight interview that they did. Um, but I think this is something interesting that we can talk about because Flame, you are a father for a transgender father, and I think that there were some different perspectives here. And we can let the Flame mets know too that Precious and I actually had we were talking between yesterday and today because they wanted them to come on to the show and kind of explain their side of their experience and then we can kind of have an open dialogue to

see if there's similarities, differences and perspectives or what have you. Um, they weren't able to, but UM, we're gonna see if you can coordinate a separate time to maybe have them come on here. Um, but Flame, you had some you know, really transparent thoughts that I think would be interesting forum our viewers. Well, the only because I guess some inboxes

about it. When I brought up the subject the of the day on the on my on coffee time and someone said, well, flame, isn't that the same scenario as you and your your baby mama or your You know, absolutely not, because we have I'm transgender and my baby mama identified as a transgender. But I've always been my children's father and she has always been their mother. Do

you understand what I mean? So that's the difference. So this kid will be raised that the father is the mother, the actual mother is the who is now the father, and the actual father who is now the mother. My I have no discoversities, but I think it's great. I think it's wonderful to her family. I think it's wonderful

for love. I've always wanted my own children. I think the difference is that I'm thinking that my only fear, and it's not a fear that I should even be concerned about because it's not my damn business, for real, But what if the couple don't stay together? And then would the child be left? So called? And the and the trans woman decides that she don't want to be a part of the relationship, because you know, sometimes breakups are very bitter. I have a very bitter breakup, so

sometimes they don't want to interact. But my children always knew that was their mom, and I never tried to keep it. What if the one person decides that they don't want to be involved, so would the child be left motherless or fatherless? That was the question I was asked, and I may not be staying correctly. I promise you I'm not trying to incite anybody. I'm not enraged, I'm not angry. I'm very happy for this couple. But I'm just asking the question only outside looking in because I'm

kind of dumbfounded about the situation myself. And since I don't know, we will talk about this, So bring some folks. What do you think? By the way, I mean, um, and they have a beautiful couple. Let me say that my thing is this, I'm not I'm not trans so I can't necessarily whatever. So I can't. I don't feel like I can fully speak to that experience because it's

not mine. Um. But at the same time, I will say that, you know, I don't think there's anything wrong with what you're asking, you're posing because in a way, you're kind of playing Devil's advocate, and I in a lot of ways in my life I do kind of, you know, operate that way. I think it's always good to play worst case scenario because you just never know

what's gonna happen. So that's been your experience. Is you know you were with someone, you know, you guys were both a trans couple, you guys had a baby together, and you guys parted ways, and because of that, you're thinking, Okay, this could be the similar situation. And there's other elements to is where the you know, the trans man was as the father on the Brest certificate of the trans woman listen to as mother. So I think the true

question is very valid. And I saw him really speak to because, like I said, it's not my experience, so I don't want to offend anybody. And for the record, I didn't uh stop taking homeowners because I wasn't taking them definitely not that one. And I know and I know and I did not um. I did not have to uh do and reach your fertilization because verything works.

It was the old fashioned way. But I really am intrigued to know my mind because I've watched my children, and I'm telling you my children were broken not having their mother. Let me say that now and I can say this publicly. I've seen my children long and long for their mother, and sometimes she was just not in a place that I wanted them around her. So I didn't try to shield them keep them from her. I tried to shield them from her because I knew where it would would go or how it would end up.

And sometimes it really did that. But they had to experience that. That's all I'm saying, that they break up will be trans woman who was the mother, who represents the mother? You know, stay involved in a lot. And I'm speaking from a trans woman point where we are selfish, we want what we want. And if I ain't had to handle kids, There's been many days I went in my bathroom and I am their father, but I identify

as their father. Even though I dressed up like a woman to work, I have went in the bathroom like, good God, could I could have chose something else? I could have had to be. I could, but I stayed. You know, everybody does not have that capacity to deal with that, and that's what I'm asking Soper. I know that was a lot, but share with us, please your thoughts. So I'm taking it all in because it was great information.

But if I can step back and look in to me, I don't I think their experience is going to be like every other child who has parents that broke up. UM, the parents who takes the child hopefully will be like you, flame involved something that they want and be, you know, an active participant. Um I do. I think it will be unfortunate. But I don't. I don't see. I don't see how it will wait different some of my trans sisters. I'm about to LuSE y'all on this one, and I

love you to them. And in respect of biologically born women, my grandmother has always said, and I'm gonna say it publicly again that the difference between because you know, trans women loved we we love the Hollywey real women were real woman and you can be a real woman, you

can feel like a real woman. Whatever. But my grandmother would always say, and I believe this, I will watch her tell my auntie, is this the difference between a man and a woman is a woman's heart and mind, a woman's loyalty will A man's loyalty will never stand

the test of a woman's loyalty. That's the woman's a plus and her mind is because you get loyal to a person and you stay in longer than you're supposed to and when then when it's done, when a woman is done, she walks away, but she will still always have love for her kids. A man can say I'm out and from the man perspective of me, because it's he's weak. From the man and me, I've seen it happen.

I I've walked away from some things, not my children, but I've walked away something and I never looked, and I knew I was wrong for walking away from certain things. And this is what I'm saying. Will they still stay involved for the child? Bobby? And I know I'm saying it confusing. I know it sounds you know, No, you're not confusing to me. I think I still think the kids are at the same advantage or disadvantage of heterosexual couple or anything else I can tell you. I am,

I'm a single parent. My son's father left at five. He just left, you know. But so these kids, well, whether they stay with the do what we're calling the mom or their dad. As long as there's one one participating parents, I think they're gonna be the same as everybody else, good or bad, whatever, you know. I think I think they're gonna be loved conditionally, and they're gonna

know to treat people, um, with respect. And because their parents is different, my kids know that because I'm such a different looking person that they treat people like with respect and you know, and they cord so the love will be there. I just because they made and they made history because Miles was the first transman to be listed as the father of Illinois. Yeah, no, I think

that's great. And I also think that, um, I would not have I'm trying to think of the expression used way back when when you said I wasn't one of those girls. Miles is one of those guys. I never in a million years would have thought that that he wasn't from birth a man, his voice, his cadence, the way he just carries himself. UM. So yeah, that was because I was I watched all the interviews, I did all my homework. Everybody, I'm a good student, you're very

very good. You get a thank you. Um. And they were talking about I don't know if the two of you saw the interview where he actually um was pulled over while they were shopping for baby clothes or shop shopping that closed the day of the shower, and I thought, oh, I don't know. I thought that was tricky because I have to say, if if I could again looking from the outside looking in now, I don't know about there were five cops or something that piece I didn't understand.

But if I saw a guy that was built like cam tall lean and all of a sudden with this big, you know, pouch out front, I don't know if I would have thought there was something going on. Um. And also one of the interviews that I saw, and I wish there was more clarification. I'm sorry, that's the puppy barking. Um. It sounded like the woman who had lifted his shirt apologized and felt Terri. That's that's what I got from that, and I thought that was nice, but it was a

good response. I think it was an over exaggeration of what they needed to be a shoplifter. Well to then, and to your point, buddy, to the nick and eye for somebody that does not understand trains or they would have been baffled. They I'm sure whoever the police officer was was baffled, because, like you say, Miles is exceptionally convincing that we have some beautiful trans man. Myles is

one of the ones that you just don't know. So to think that you're actually looking at a man he tells you that he's pregnant, of course you're gonna be like, yeah, right, trying. I would I have to exactly, that's exactly, and I would have felt like two sets, but um, I absolutely I felt badly they had to happen just before the shower. I'm telling you, I wanted a dog my whole life, and this guy, I'm ready, he's fine, Oh, he's fine. I just don't want the talent. I would be cheated

out of having a mummy. No, And I don't think I hear that. I fail that in every every circumstance with single parents. Um, you know, it's it's a lousy situation. It's a super lousy situation. I think you spoke to my son, and I'm sure your kids they would rather a two parent family or two people that were involved in it. Technically my kids got three. He she and we this this will we do our topics now, this is the he she we segment of the show. We

engage with all of our play nets, so he we continue. Yeah, So I don't, but I but I at a tough time after listening to all the information. They are a lovely couple. They like and love. I knock would that they're not the other side of um. But I think that they both tried so hard for this baby. I don't know. I just don't see this particular couple. I can't say about all of her talking in generalities. I don't.

I can't speak to it. But I don't think. I think this couple they they remain as you know, parents, and I've seen people on here saying they want to have another baby. So I think they've had over heels in love. I think they're madly and too great. And the trans women who have children, I'm talking about transant who don't that don't engage with their children, don't see their children, don't do anything for their children, but love

to scream that they have to. And I'm not seeking speaking to anyone personally, but I know plenty of trans my trans sisters that do have kids and don't do nothing with for their children. And this is what I'm saying. So I think it's great. I don't want to just say, guys. And I said, my trans womens, believe me. You ain't gut to say, guys, I'm saying, you know, I don't give it. I was to say, I'm just saying my experience.

You know, when i want credit. What's the old what's the old joke that that women used to say, if you want to chase a man, wait a man away, telling that you're pregnant baby. Oh that's a good one. That's the old. Well, thank you so much, Bobby. What happened? Thank you? Wow? That is it is? It baffles me that well, I see, I didn't know that police story.

Could you imagine that the police pulling her over. The story is that Miles was actually in a store and was doing some last minute shopping for the baby shower, and as he was leaving the store, he was surrounded by all these police officers and was like, I mean, please be gentle, please be gentle, and eight ones pregnant and what I also saw too part of the special um. He was having some complications. He had been servics the baby, so it was all that he was like, gentle, I'm pregnant.

Come on, gorgeous, Hello sweetie, Hi, how are you. I was like, we got to bring Michelle in here. I know. Let me just um now term Tavia done. Yeah, I saw the interview. But also they are they are a lovely couple. Let me just say. And I have nothing against trans couples, you know that. My issue is that he had the baby, and obviously he was a she and she was a here. I get all that. I get all that in the relationship, but my thing is

when they went to register the baby. I have an issue because even though he's a trans man, he still carried the baby. Therefore, he still had a wound. So in my opinion, my personal opinions, if you still have a wound, you're still a woman to that effect, because you carried the baby. Because there's no where on this planet any man has actually carried a baby and carried a baby to termine had a baby. I think there was one man where I think they said he tried

to but he I think he died. Actually, there was one story about some man back in the day trying to have a baby, but it didn't work out. But my issue is just the fact that you can be trans, you can be in a loving couple, in a loving relationship. I just think that when you know the registration part of it, I think it's a bit confusing. You can live as a trans couple, but at the end of the day, he still had a womb, which therefore made him able to carry the baby. I am a woman.

If I go cut my hair off tomorrow and put jeans on and start taking hormone tablets, I'm still a woman if I don't have any surgery. And even if I have surgery, I don't i'd even be able to carry a baby. That's just my opinion on that part of it. That their their relationship and been able to raise a kid, there will be like every other normal couple. Man, woman doesn't really you know, dogcat, it doesn't really matter. But I just believe just that that issue just kind

of got to me. When you know that registration parts, I just think it's a bit confusing. And I also think in society, you know, we get to the point where we're letting so many issues in life take precedent over you know, an issue, and then it becomes the norm. I know, you know, we all have to evolve with society and everyone has to be equal. But I think, you know, there comes a point where we are missing with society as a whole, because you know, man is man,

woman has children. If it then becomes later on where men can actually have babies, I will change my stance. But as it stands in the twenty one century, men cannot have babies, so therefore only with the registration of the birth certificate part of their story. I disagree he should have put him as the mother and she could still be the father because they are biology the parents of the baby. Well, I mean, would be would be different? Would it be different if there was a way to

identify as a trans father on the birth certificate? Would you have the same point of view? Yeah, well again I I I would. I know my perspective would change because then legally it would already have it on the documentation. He was a transmail, so by common sense, you know your mother was still a woman, but on the paper would still be a trans and mail. You know, there's some definition because you don't know how the child's gonna

feel later on down the road. In life. A lot of these issues that we tend to be put in as rights. Now in society, we don't know how it's gonna affect us down the line. I'm from kind of flames. I'm fifty free, so I was then the eighties and the nineties. You know, when it was just gay and lesbian, there was none of the you know, they had drag queens. I didn't even have trans I'm talking about in England. Then slowly in the late eighties into the nineties we

got trans in, we got gay, we got bisexual. You know, it's not necessary about this discussion is not just about you know, your sexual orientation. But I'm just saying there's so many labels now everything is getting confused. And I'm not a Christian. I'm not one of these. You know, man shouldn't be with men, and everyone loves who you love. I believe that you love who you love. But at the same time that the core basis I think sometimes we are just getting a bit muddled and it's getting

a bit dirty in society. That's all it is the UK, that's our British corresponding with hell and can I just say, can I just in England we had the same situation. We had two trans women that they obviously were men, but they were two trans women. Um, so that means we're women. They're just as men. And one of them, who now have two children, had a baby, and in our papers we reported over here with the first man to have a baby. But she was still a woman.

She still had They both had their wounds, none of them had um and so corrective surgery, so they were both still a woman. But they dressed as men, they had beards, they took hormone replacements, you know, but they were still able to carry babies. There was a big issue about that over here. And that's a good few years ago. And now they've got two children. Nothing again wrong with them raising their kids. No one's saying, oh

it's wrong, they shouldn't have the children. But again it's always an issue of contention because if a man trans man has a woman, i mean sorry, has a baby, is he a woman? Is he still a woman with his womb? And I think if you have your womb, you're still a woman. Flame, if they're sitting next to you, we know Flame has his breast, but he also has his man parts. So but you see again we flame, now, we we know he is the he she we that's different.

He's already put out there his his gender difference differentiation. Know, I mean is he, there's he, is she, and there's we. When you want to be trends and then you're telling me, I'm a man, but I'm having a baby. In my mind, you're still a woman, but you can be a trans man.

I know a lot of people are not gonna be happy with what I'm saying, but that's just my opinion of information because and and that my point is just for when they want to you know, you can have babies, you can have them naturally, you can adopt, you can have any way you want to get you know, given them. It's just that little thing when they put it on the birth certificate. You know, maybe that needs to be

changed in the future. But again, I don't want it to be a case where we start changing all the boxes in on the sheet. You know, it's a you know, a non gender pacific parent, it's a this parent, it's that parent. I don't want the boxes to be so many bloody box on paper. It's gone from just being mom and dad, you know what I mean. That is a lot and I'm sorry. It was a great perspective

and I will never Laurence. I've never done if they would have put trans mother or I mean trans father, because let me tell you something, if and I'm praying to things work out, I hope you'll be together and be married and stay together for a hundre years. And I'm not even just coming out. I'm just talking about in case this ever happens with another couple. Let me just use another couple of for instance, if I went to court and the mother gets all the rights in court,

let me tell you something. The mama can pretty much be a crackhead smoking the pipe in court and turn the trick, and depending on the judge, father's rights are not very great in this country. The mother gets all the rights because they feel like because the mother carried and had the baby, that is eight percent the mother's baby. That I'm telling you what the court system done, especially

when it different. I'm trains. I had to go to court over and over and over and over to explain who I was in my children's lives in order to get custody to them, but I was always listed as the father. Do you know if a judge sees that, who's unfamiliar with something like this, what they're gonna be thinking, like what you know, I'm not gonna give this child to you because I'm afraid you're gonna because you know how they think about trains people and get people turn

them into you. Nothing could be the truth of my kids because they don't even like me like that be like me. But imagine the naked eye, just like those police you put up on a man and he said he pregnant. It's a line of fet me and out here with big stomachs. But yeah, so it is like Michelle, it's money in the waters. It's such a great area that is scary. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you were sorry long and gone no no, no no, no, go ahead.

Now I'm just gonna say, like you said, money, we just have to kind of see how, you know, things go further down the line. Everything takes a bit of time for evolution. So you know, we may get that box on the birth certificate registration form you know soon, who knows. But I just don't want it to get a bit crazy out there with too many boxes, too many labels, and you know, again nothing with their parents and they're going to be lovey parents and you know

what happens in the future happens in the future. It's just just for the fact that little thing, when I heard about the registration, that really kind of got to me a little bit, you know much. Thank you, no worries, thank you. Since I was a kid, I've always checked other you know how they have male female other. You have always have checked other, even when I was a young kid, because you know, I was always a strange beach. I've always checked other. Well, I mean, this is what

I'll say. I don't I just want to clarify that we're not trying to deny anybody's experience. That's not what we're doing. We're simply here to have an exchange of information because FLAME thought this was an interesting topic. We haven't really had any LGBTQ topics on the show, and we thought that this was a good one to have. So now, hello, misspontagea. Hi, I'm not at home, so I hope my wife bid is fine. You look great and we can hear you take that look like you

got a beard, loom. So what are your what are your thoughts about TASA on this topic? My thoughts on that topic on that topic is I completely agree with Michelle and I completely agree with with flame. However, to each its own, and they are all entitled to their parents are entitled to their opinion on how they want their documentation noted. But I just it makes me come back to an experience, a very unfortunate situation in my life,

which was like a life altering experience. I was in a in a m ambulance losing lots of blood I had. It's a long story anyway, I remember I remember that the doctors asking me, are you on your period, ma'am? And I was like, oh no, I said, I'm trans. So once I told him I was trans, he knew that technically I was mailed. I'm not a position by no, by no means at all. But this is someone in an in an ambulance. We're being rushed in the hospital

to save my life. So whatever they need, need it for that male, that's what you have to grab in order to take care of whatever he needs to take care of. And as far as documentation is concerned, I think that those type of things should be corrected. If you got a skeletful body from an airplane, you want to know this is a male and this is a female. Again, to each us own and that's their opinion and that's

what makes them happy. And I'm fine with all of that, and I'm not against it, but in my personal opinion, I don't agree with it, just like I always and steal in my nieces and nephew to call me awful buddy, which is what they do despite how I look. So that's my opinion on all of that. And this is coming from my trans sister. She also did the background you know, she did, and and and and here we clearly fontage advantage is plo trans sist. She's pro for

the girls. If you follow her page fontage you lettle more, you'll see she always speaks very highly of our trans sisters and brothers. This is not a tear down. I'm telling you. We are so ignorant to the fact that it's not confusing to me. But I want to learn more about it. So we're having a conversation so that we can all learn more about it. Because so somebody on here who's on the outside looking in, will know. Oh now, I understand if ever this scenario, you know,

shows up in your life. That's all I'm saying, right, yeah, And I can understand where people on the outside looking in, where it can be confusing because me as a trans woman of color, it's a little confusing to me when I heard the story. But I still, like I said earlier, I agree with how they want to feel about it. At the end of the day, documentation, in my personal opinion, I feel should be corrected to the actual born gender.

M m. Well, and that's an interesting piece too, I will say that as well, because Baby's Aim was born, that's the name of their child, and they actually are identifying the baby as a her. And that was part of the conversation that they had that why did you choose to give the baby, you know, a gender identity considering what your experience was, And they basically said, well, that was what she was born as, so we're going

to call her she for now. But if later on in life she makes a decision that she wants to be trans or whatever, you know, she may identify as that, they were going to honor that. But I thought that was interesting too, is that despite their experience, they decided to give the baby, you know, gender assignment at birth. She was one with a vagina, yes, so the baby is a girl. She's definitely a little girl. Yeah, definitely. Let me tell you something. I didn't pass by algy

with nothing but to see. But I know that flats don't look like sticks. Now, I know that flats don't look like sticks. Period. We love your you gotta finish your girl back. See, And this is what I'm talking about. This is we are we are trans people, which to tell you that so and we are you know, trans we're trying to I love what you're saying. I never

thought about that. I thought that was great to say that if it was said as transparent, trans father trans at least it will be kind of self explanatory if something ever happened like mathemetically or physical. You know. Yeah, that was that was pretty good. Uh. You know, only one thing I want to come in on the Michelle said, Flame, Uh, you gotta remember this because she was talking about how there really wasn't the whole trans thing until the seventies eighties. Flame.

You'll remember miss uh I forget her name. I want to say Tula was that her name? Flame? Remember? She was gorgeous. And this is Phil Donnau flaming our old heads when it comes to like the talk shows, and we both one of the reasons Flaming I connected the media is because we both loved Phil Dontague and we we That's just one of the many things we had in common. And I will never forget Phil Donna. You had a woman on the show named Flaming You gotta help Me and see the Tool or Tulula or something

like it, and she was a James Bond girl. She was she was. It was so yeah. They the sisters have been out there for a while and we and we had a we had a model that was for Everny magazine or Vogue, a black woman, Tracy, Tracy somebody another. She was the first black trends and somebody out at her see because you could live there. So the titles and labels all and that you're all, but don't here,

it's not new. You're making up new names. But the situations have been the same for hundreds of years, and just giving it new labels and new titles. Then y'all hear my song, ain't no labels to this, hec we ain't no labels. Take removed the labels and understand that you live in the country and we live in the world.

For the most part. If you live in the free parts of the world that you can as long as you have the Tennessee and the due diligen and do due diligence and the wherewithal you can live whatever life you choose or identify as respectfully. But you don't have to walk around and broadcasting because I don't think that you can have it both ways. Imagine Miles, who is exceptionally convincing. We're using him walking around telling everybody I'm

a woman. I'm a woman. I'm a woman who would understand that, so I get the identity thing, but that I'm just on the page of the birth CERTivity because it's going to read male. And later in life it's somebody who is ignorant to the fact that there's something happens to the baby. And my own shows up and saying I'm the baby's father and woo woo. And then we need some blood because your blood would show that you're male or female because the blood don't change. You

can change all the exterior, but the blood don't change. Well, we need blood from the kid's mom. Well, I am the kid, do you know? Do you come out and say I'm the kid's mom. After walking around the whole time, saying I'm the kid's father. That that's the scenario I'm

talking about. That's all I do want to interject really quickly, since we're having this topic around, you know, trans of the trans community and its Black History Month, we would be remissed if we didn't acknowledge Miss Marsha P. Johnson, who started this movement, the trans movement. So I think we would be remissed if we didn't acknowledge her and thank her for all of her accomplishments of what she did.

Very one of the first very she's like, Marcia is like the personification of New York to our New York brothers and sisters are there, They're they're very uh, yes, they're they're active. Yes, it was very nice of you to say they're active. This was this was what late sixties, early seventies, and Mansha P. Johnson was not the most convincing train. She looked not at all. When I my joke when I said she looked like Herbert with a wig on, Marsha P. Johnson made she rest in peace

for all that she did. She did look like she was Malcolm, but she stood in her conviction and believed who she was On everything, And this is a lot of what it is. You got to believe and know who you are, what is looking back at you in the mirror when you look back at the mirror. We say this all the time. You have to come to love long. Come on, I told you she's the fruit flash he actually remember the training I growing around, growing

up around gay people all my life. And you know, like I said, everybody should have a gay best friends. You're just your life's not complete unless you have one. So no, no, but but but if flame is gonna be the way you got the best friend, a mother, a bodyguard all of the time into one. So you know, because flameball throwing with hand jewelry, just let me know, so you know, yes, we supported supported in the garage right there, just in case Lorna Kim'll get out of hand. Look, uh, Nickolas,

amazon this page before you threatening. She stole your tab, the will on your table. You don't even know it's gone, look, Nicholas. So so let me tell y'all God on the truth. So when Nick and I first discussed this topic, Nick thought that I was on a campaign to bade or not be nice. So Nick and I actually had not words, but I disagreement, I'm and I'm telling the truth nickcause because this is our page, it's what we do. Because Nick was like, well, I don't want you to attack

because I was never on the attack. And so yesterday Nick and I talked about it and I told Nick that I see it, and because I watched what you sent me and I see it. But I'm when Lauren brought up the point about the trans father or trans mother, Nick, we keep fighting for rights. Don't you think that that

will be fair? Because like we were talking about, when they want to have all the wrestling stuff and all the sports where they put the trans women against the regular women, to transmit against them straighting we should create that. So should they start birth certificates that say Transmian and transmil Transmaril and tell them about our disagreement Nicholas about

the whole subject. Please, we Flame and I disagree on a lot of stuff, but we're always talking through what Flame always does with me, and I think that's one of the reasons why we're as close as we are. Flame will always we can always talk it out. Like I've never been in the space where I felt judged by Flame is gonna say with Flame got to say, and I think Flame in a lot of ways, it's

like my mother. Uh they my mother and Flame, they walk in they after they get through boxing your head against while they're like you, okay, baby, I didn't mean it hurt you, like you're hungry, You're like what you uh so, so that's what it was. But yeah, we had disagreed because I immediately I think I'll walk into things with with the guard up an emotional You can't do that, blah blah blah blah blah. And Flame was like, that's not what I'm doing. Calm down, bring it down.

Let me tell you, as a parent who lives this life and walks in this body, let me tell you about my experience, and this is what I fear. And so Flame we talked about it through the weekend and then yesterday we literally was like we had to come

to Jesus moments, you know. And uh and and one of the things I think that it is most important about this Flame, and this is why I continue to be excited about laugh and learn, is that when you, Lauren and I have our conversations about what we're gonna talk about, we always make it so that we can include the play mats, because we really do have some of the most informed, engaged, intelligent people. Debbie's comments, Barbara's

comment earlier in Boston. Everybody brought something to the table, and we all have questions. I don't think it's wrong to sit there and saying, you know, the world is changing, so we've got to find a way for everyone to have access to the same rights and and and same opportunity systems. And so I think that we're all still trying to figure out what that means. I don't know that I'm at a space where you know, we we

you touched on it. I don't know that I'm at a space where I feel like trans athletes should compete with UM athletes born of a different gender. I don't know that. But again, fortunately I'm not in a position where I have to make that decision. But I think it's something that is worthy of a closer examination. As far as the birth certificate, and I will just close on this, I think my issue with the birth certificate

was this. I think that the birth certificate, in my opinion, is less about the parent and more about the child, and I felt as though that child should be in a situation where that child isn't necessarily outed as having a parent who is trans to those who may not

need to need to know that information. I would want that birth certificate to simply say mom dad And if that's how my mom dad presented when they came to pick me up from the school or took me for my exam, that's what I would rather instead of having a situation where now I've turned in my birth certificate for to play football or wrestle like I did, and now, well, way meant, why does it say trans what kind of parents you got? Kids are? When I was growing up,

kids were, they ain't changed, they still meaning ship. So I just I feel like I feel like that anonymity should be affording to the child at all costs until that child is old enough. Like flames, kids who sit there and say, oh, I know you ain't got nothing here, but hold up what you know, because that that's her. You know, you know what I'm saying. Everyone is not going to be as comfortable I feel as as Flame is, and and that that's that's just where I am with that.

You know, well, I'll say this in a lot of ways, I've always said this Flame is an anomaly in the transport. That's how I so. But I think that's also to why this discussion was so warranted, because I was curious to see if the Flame's opinion was going to be different from other people. And I also to just want to reiterate because Nick, I don't know if you were able to see this part, but Precious and I actually

had a dialogue, We had an exchange. I reached out to her to see if she and Miles wanted to come on the show. Schedules didn't line up, but she still wants to come on the show and share their story, which I think could be a great conversation in general, especially with the two different experiences and perspectives from Flame and them as well. Again, because you said it, but I want to make sure we reiterate we love and celebrate what this What this den anybody's experience? I think

that they have some. They have beautiful black love. I even saw pressure this um episode on Say Yes to the Dress when she was getting married to Miles, So I think we're not denying anybody's experience or saying anything negative about it. It's just an exchange of information because we need to learn more and we need to have these open forms and conversations so that it brings down the wall of stigma so people have better understanding and less ignorance in their life. That's what I said it

before and I'll say this again. And I know we got to wrap up, but I just witched more people knew the amazing father you are. And that because I grew up, I grew up in the house of many, I never I never questioned my mother's love. I never questioned that I was supported. I was encouraged to do everything. I've watched you when they switched from ballet, Oh she want she's still doing ballet and she's done with that.

Well doing that now, she's done with that too. And I remember going through clarinet, no clarinet, wrestling, football, that just having a parent always in your corner, I'm telling you, and that is what is most important. And because those for those two people, that couple is trans they're gonna have a lot of experiences that they grew up being turning identifying with who they are. So they're gonna teach this kid a lot of lawyer love. They're gonna show

this kid a lot of people are different. But you still love people from whom they are, So that's gonna

be the beautiful part of it. Was never a dispute, But this conversation will help somebody, because somebody who's watching this show today will go and tell their police officer husband, or or their judge wife, or their son who's on the basketball team who's harassing somebody else that people are different, and they will help them to understand that just because we're having a conversation about it, so we won't walk into another pregnant man and nobody believes it because you'll

be like, oh my mom told me. They was watching, uh laugh and learn, and they explained that they really can happen, because it really can happen. Now, Michelle, that ship you said about women can have babies, I understand. I'm trying to get my back. I haven't got that. I ain't doing nothing, had no baby. I'm doing the front part of the backpot. We're gonna be that. Oh my god. And may I just say too, because people

were in here last week when you were fantastic. I really should check that out and then go to just type in my name because they made videos about me, tear me apart. It's hilarious. Listen, it's people doing some cloud chasing crap and it just it screams desperation. But it's a good key if you want to go laugh. Lauren, I'm with you. I said to play, who has the time?

We have to schedule time just to do this? Who has the time to do a show based on what somebody else is doing and then talk about it in pull? I'm like, who are you? That's a lot of effort. Sounded like he was having an asthma attacked the whole time. I was more so concerned about health. I'm just saying, you heard me? What? Oh? That was funny looking I wanted. I like to see him. You weren't last time you had some without thirty dollars. And in fact, when you're

gonna drop them two kids, you care? Now you're gonna pregnant me in the one that made the video about me. Yeah, he's a biological man, but that nigga damn shook preign what I said, I gotta see it. I don't want you to build up his subscribers, so don't go watch it. We're not gonna say the person Tonight Love Tonight between six thirty and seven I want you guys to join me and next Sunday, We're doing laughing next Sunday because

the schedule changing. Guests who are gonna be in studio next Sunday, y'all tell him Nick Smith News will be in the studio next Sunday. Nick will be sitting back here. Keep a secret about that contract Friday anyway, So Nick will be here and our very special guest who has a new show coming on because this this is my you know, I'm this is my sister. We are in

this together and I'm so proud of TuS Madison. She will be joining us next Sunday for a very special laugh and learned she has a new show coming out on the we TV network called The TuS Madison Experience. It airs March fourth at seven pm Pacific setord time, ten pm East Coast time, and we want you guys to watch it. Me and Maddie and Lauren and Nick gonna go forward. I don't even know if they're gonna get it worthy in because too loud as trandys talk y'all might not get a chance to say ship. So

please be here for the conversation. It's going to be great. I'm sure that the Maddie mar will be here in the flame mats and we're gonna What you do in this business is you share your fans. You share your people because other people reach out to other people and then other people and a closed fist does work. Lauren, nothing go out that she'll getting on Amens, it goes out. You. You got to share your fans, You got to share your life because there is no one number one person.

There is five million number one persons if you see that. Plus we do different things and we' still girlfriends. So y'all be here with us next week, cause big Maddie coming on giving it to y'all, were gonna give it to you in the row. I'm gonna say we can show the most titties on Maddie and Nick. What should we just say? And what is the purpose of laugh? And learn? Always? Always always. We are not trying to get anybody to change their minds. We're just trying to

get you guys to use your mind. But you gotta have one every where to do it because somebody'all ain't got When y'all down the vote for Ted Cruise all that dumb ship who any who you can follow Nick Smith at Nick Smith News on YouTube or on Instagram. Those are hit on on on Twitter one word Nick Smith News. Some of y'all slow? How you smell Smith? How do you spell with an eye not with a y?

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fire crackers, the vowel chads, the value. We got plenty names. Holy y'all, oh YaST appreciate you and please follow Miles Davis, Yes, h Miles Brodie, Miles Brady Davis excuse me, as well as precious Brady Davis on Instagram. We actually ended up following each other and then this topic came up, so fow them if you have questions that we can't answer, asked him respectfully. Please for nobody, don't be something some flames sent us here and you're going over there with

that dumb ship. If you don't use my name, use my name respectfully. Put respect Oh my goddamn exactly. Thank you to all who have weighed in today to read the Griffins by Tasion Lamarty followed them through rescript and great recording artists and my friend we do show us together and she's a wonderful singer. Uh, Michelle over in London. Um, Bobby Clifford, who's in Boston. Clifford, Yeah, we're gonna back to house. I'm taking Bobby Clifford to dinner to my

sister's restaurant. Next time at the Boston. So. I love that you look and you're trying to smash the whitely white. You know what, you're mine. Thank you, you're to me. She paid me ten dollars every day. She allus to a million. Whish you get to a million? Girl? You all, I'm all you come get it. Come on, Bobby, we will see you guys. Were Thank you so much coming bye