This is Later with Lee Matthews, the Lee Matthews Podcast More What You Here Weekday Afternoon's on the Drive And as a shooting enthusiasts and someone who watches out for our Second Amendment rights, I'm always intrigued when I find a story like this that was sent to me by Rudy. It's a story of a man named Russell Fincher, who is a high school history teacher a part time gun dealer. He also coaches Little League and is a Baptist minister in his hometown
of Tuskahoma in southeast Oklahoma. As a gun dealer, he's got a Federal Firearm License and f f L. He doesn't have a brick and mortar store, but he is what is called a kitchen table fl He buys and sells guns at gun shows, including the Want a Maker Arm Show in Tulsa, the Big One. Back in April, he received a call from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms saying they wanted to do an inspection at his home. He agreed, saying you can come anytime you want. First Mistake
two atf inspectors arrived a few days later. They spent three hours in his home. They took pictures of his guns with their cell phones, which he says he's learned that is an illegal, although common practice. Mistake number two. The inspectors returned two weeks later, so they had some concerns involving his penmanship, which they couldn't read in a couple of forms. They also found he had juxtapositioned two model numbers of firearms with the weapon serial number. He
was attempting to rectify them, he said on the form. Then he and his son were packing up for a gun show in Tulsa when the phone rang. It was the ATF. They wanted to talk to him before he left for the gun show. He agreed. Mistake number three. Come on out to the house, he said. Seven vehicles roared up to his property and disgorged a dozen ATF agents wearing tactical gear and armed with a R fifteens. They cuffed him on the front porch of his house and began to search his
house, asking him questions the entire time. One by one they yelled at him, asked what he was doing. In his mind, he thought that they were about to beat him up. As soon as I said, if you want my fl you can have it. One of the agents pulled out a piece of paper and said, we'll sign here. He made three copies in case I screwed one up Mistake number four. It ended up being exactly
what they wanted. As soon as he relinquished his federal firearms license, the ATF began loading up his guns, including a cultmander, five glocks, and a mint Ak Polytech preband milled fold under, which was worth thousands of dollars. He is an essence out of business as an FFL dealer and as a kitchen table dealer. Now let's go through this again. This is a textbook example of what you shouldn't do when the ATF comes knocking at your door.
Now, they're not likely to come knocking on your door if you are not a kitchen table dealer, or if you are just a regular joe like you and me. But lesson number one. If they want to go through your home, you say, as soon as you show me a warrant, they cannot enter your private property without probable cause. He has no brick and mortar store, so they have nothing to raid. If they come back and say, yeah, we want to go through your property one more time, say
I want to see another warrant. They cannot go through your property without your consent, and they cannot take pictures while in your property without your consents. Finally, no matter what, do not well this isn't Finally, do not say anything to them without your lawyer presence. And then finally, do not relinquish your FFL without your lawyer presence. Now, in all fairness to mister Fincher, I don't know if he if there were some questions about the guns
he had stolen. In other words, did the ATF find a questionable serial number that may have matched the serial number of a gun used in a crime that he had acquired, and did that flag him in the eyes of the ATF. I don't know that, because if that were the case, they would have probable cause, but probably were too lazy to go and get the warrant. Did the fact that he juxtaposed some paperwork flag him? Hey wait
a minute, this looks like this paperwork has been altered. Possibly, And I don't know the content of the license of an fl of federal firearms license. I don't know what it says. If the license somewhere says you will be subject to surprise inspections by the ATF. Well, then you've already surrendered your rights to a warrant, but you haven't surrendered your right to keep that FL if they find something, so don't say anything to the eight. And
this is the other thing about the ATF. I hate to give them any credit for anything, because I really believe the ATF's aims. I don't know if bored because they don't find enough crime here in Oklahoma. I don't know if they are outraged because they hate to see gun shows and they hate to see you and me walking around with ares. I don't know the answer to any of those questions, but I do know they appear. The ATF appears to have no goal other than to make war on the people of Oklahoma.
Like this gentleman. It sounds to me like they went out of their way to find violations on this guy and nail them. The question remains, are they planning to do the same with other holders of an FL? You tell me what you think? Four or five eight four one four or five eight four one nine one eight four six thirteen hundred n Tulsa. Thanks for listening to Later with Lee Matthews. The Lee Matthews podcast, and remember to listen
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