This is Later with Lee Matthews, the Lee Matthews Podcast More What You Here Weekday Afternoon is on the Drive. Stephanie Leidaker is go host to the first season of The Piked and Massacre for iHeartRadio. Also created development, executive produced projects with T ANDT, Oxygen, Lifetime, A and E Networks along with Courtney Armstrong. The newest project is called The Idaho Massacre and it is a podcast that can be heard on the iHeartRadio app and everywhere you get podcasts.
Good morning, ladies, good good morning. We're happy to be here. Nice. Thank you for having us late, Courtney, Let's start with you the Pike of the Idaho Massacre. Let's review this case because I think everybody, everybody who had kids in college was on edge about this time. Yeah, I mean, it really hits such a nerve, and for great reason, Like you said, anyone who had kids in college or dreamed of going
to college, or we're in college. It's such a unique time where you're literally finding your way and you're just cocooned in this what should be a wonderfully safe place and then out of seemingly the blue, the unthinkable happens, and these four students so full of life, you know, are are murdered with and steps to deaths in a really short amount of time, and in one home, Stephanie, this wasn't University of New York, this wasn't University of
Chicago, this wasn't Georgetown, all downtown inter urban universities. This was Idaho, for heaven's sakes. And I think that's a been piece of it. There's this presumed level of security and safety that you have in need beautiful small towns, and get into Courtney's point, it was the most ideal at place and remains. So it's been a town that's been ripped apart, but have
really stayed strong together. And also the idea that these kids, there were four that were that were murdered, and they had two other roommates, and to say that they were close, it's such an understatement, you know, if you've had the benefit of seeing any photographs of them while alive, they were the most beautiful, loving friends, best friends. In fact, two
of the victims, Kaylee and Madison, were childhood best friends. So they sort of lived this life that from an outsider looking in, was nothing shy of perfect. In fact, one of them was graduating and moving on and had already gotten a new job, and Kaylee was going to have a you know, her room to herself for the first time. Like there was really when you think of university life, they seemed to live the most perfect version
of it. So for that to be taken so viciously and in a way that is such an overkill, it's just impossible to wrap your brain around. We're talking about the brutal murders at the University of Idaho almost a year ago. Stephanie Lydaker and Courtney Armstrong and produced podcast about it, a true crime
podcast called the Idaho Massacre. This is a true crime, Courtney. Now, I remember when all of this was happening, the authorities kept their information very close to their vest, which usually tells me they knew right away who their man was. You know, it's interesting you bring that up, and you're so exactly right, because you know, some people in the media or
you know, just members online. We're giving officials some flak about that, but it is so important to keep things close to their chests sometimes, you know, in law enforcement, so you know your gut that they quickly knew who they were narrowing and on. You know, we'll know for sure when trial comes up. But I think that's a really good point. Yeah, I don't I don't know that. Well, I was just say I don't
know that. I was just gonna say I don't know that. But generally, when I am reporting upon cases like this, when they come out and say, okay, we're seeking information on this individual, they don't know, but and they do know, they don't ask for anything because they don't want to let they don't want to let the potential suspects flee or go into hiding. Exactly we happen to know because you know, we work on a lot
of open true crime, open investigations. Oftentimes the the accused or the killer is watching the news, right or their family members are watching the news. So of course you know, you don't want to have your investigation interrupted in any way. You obviously don't want to share key things so that the killer
can, you know, course correct and take a different path. I think in this case also the idea that the accused his name is Brian Coburger, who who, by the way, claims his innocence, and we have to
be very clear about that. He has not been proven guilty, even though he has been you know, it's been discussed so you know worldwide about the type of the type of accused he is, because he is again just so ordinary from the outside looking in, you know, from a nice family, had a very upwardly mobile life, was getting his PhD degree, and in the neighboring town, had so much potential to be anything he wanted to be.
And again, if you were sitting next to him on the error on an airplane for example, or if you were you know, working next to him in the cubicle, you would not take him for someone and I don't know who he would, but you wouldn't take him for the person who's committing mass murder and then just going about his day the next the next morning. And it appears, if this is true, that that's what happened. You commit mass murder, a major overkill. Literally the walls of the home were
bleeding from that much blood. And then this man allegedly went back and was a teacher's assistant and kind of carried on his business, and his dad came to town as he had planned to do, to drive back home to back east to where he's from for Thanksgiving. You know, if you've gone to college, you know what a unique time period that is. Everyone's in finals and at the final stretch before before finally getting a break for the holidays.
There's an energy about that, and you know, he really, he really took advantage of that. And you know, our heart's really you know, first and foremost want to say, our hearts go out to the family members of all the victims. Stephanie lydacurs with this Courtney Armstrong as well, host of the true crime podcast The Idaho Massacre, and a Courtney all of these students did they all live together in this one dwelling. So three the three
girls did, and that was Kaylee Gonsalvez. She was twenty year old excuse me, twenty one year old senior, her lifelong childhood best friend, Madison Mogin, and then Zanna car Noodle, So the three of them lived together, and then Zanna's boyfriend, Ethan Chapin, the fourth victim, was just visiting for the night and so they were all stabbed inside the girls off campus house on King's Road, which is right off of fraternity Row the Idaho Master.
So I'm sorry we're getting all mixed up because of the delay, But go ahead, Stephanie. Now I'm just going to say where they lived, and there were two other roommates that they lived with as well, was sort of like the fun house they had lived in, a you know, an off campus, perfect ideal at home. You know, they would have as you would imagine parties, and you know, you look at photographs of them, and they were so alive and loved and seemed to have the perfect college
experience. And to see how this story ends is really nothing short of shocking. And Stephanie, do we know do we have a motive and do we have a connection with the alleged murderer? With the murder the only at this point, and we have to assume that in trial we will find a better one. The accused suggests that he has an alibi, first and foremost, that's new information. We don't know much more about that quite yet, and we will a trial. But for the motives, that's the sticky part of
this. The motive is not very obvious. There's some potential link between social media. The inference would be that maybe the accused admired one or all of them from a distance and had sort of a one sided relationship with them via social media because we're so fun and lively and seems to have such a great life, and if the accused has less so of a social, happy, fun life, maybe he was just kind of a stalker from away who was kind of becoming obsessed with one, if not all of them. Stephanie Light
Occur along with Courtney Armstrong. The true crime podcast The Idaho Massacre fascinating to listen to on the iHeartRadio app and everywhere you get podcasts. Ladies, thanks for joining us, thanks here for having us, Thanks for listening to later Leigh Matthews the Leih Matthews Podcast, and remember to listen to The Drive Live weekday afternoons from five to seven and iHeartMedia presentation