This is Later with Lee Matthews, The Lee Matthews Podcast more what you Hear weekday afternoons on the Drive. Nancy Greens is an award winning legal commentator, victims rights advocate, broadcast journalists, a New York Times bestselling author of four books. She appears regularly on ABC's twenty twenty Nightline, Fox News, Daily Mail, and Manie Moore. She's got a new podcast out on the iHeartRadio app and everywhere you get podcasts, Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Nancy,
we enjoy your morning features every day I gather in the podcast. You're gonna get a little deeper in the weeds. Yes, we do. And first of all, thank you for inviting me. I've got nothing but wonderful memories of Oklahoma City. We went on an RV trip across the country, my husband, myself and the two children, and we went through Oklahoma City and the people there were amazing. Thank you, Thank you for mentioning crime Stories. It is not only a podcast with you on iHeart, we just moved
it to the TV screen on MSM that start to field the network. And I'm just thrilled to be with you today and I'm thrilled to be part of iHeart some of the stories. What are they that you're going to be taking on on crime stories with Nancy Grace. Well, we cover crimes of the
day, especially crimes where I believe we can make a difference. For instance, we have been covering the two Kansas moms that were carjacked and murdered over what a custody dispute, and believe it or not, the purpose seems to be a we can grandma slash mother in law who orchestrated the entire double murder so she could get custody of the grandchildren insane. I'm working on the case of Shade Robinson, a teen girl in college who went on the first day
with the son of a Milwaukee millionaire and she was murdered. Trying to help her mother work through shah Day's murder and get justice for her. Of course, I'm on the Brian Coburger case, the Idaho quadruples play as we seek justice in that My mission as a crime victim myself is to help find missing
people, especially children, and help solve unsolved homicide. When that case broke, the one you just referred to about the troubled mother trying to reconnect with her children and murdered by what appears to be a plot that was worked out by her evil mother in law. The first thing that occurred to me, Nancy, was all the poor children, Now, what's going to happen to
them? Because their only guardian at the time is now in jail. Oh my stars, can you believe that the custody I believe is going to end up with the father, the biological father, who was in rehab at the time. Okay, so that's that's not helping anything. But he's in rehab, and then you've got the bio parent, the mother. That's how it's going to play out. I hope these children do not end up in foster
care. You and me both crime stories with Nancy Grace. You know her from many things, not only the four books she's written, but ABC's twenty twenty Nightline, Fox News and now on Doctor Phil's network. That's going to be a great fit for you. Well, I'll tell you what, Doctor Phil and I go way way back. I love doctor Phil. I love his wife, Robin. Oh my goodness, that little lady is a dynamo. I love her, and they've been very kind to me. Over the
years and I'm thrilled to be part of that. I heeart helps us the staff here at Crime Stories, get the word out about missing people, about fallen officers killed in the line of duty, what we can do to help crime victims, and I'm just so grateful for that opportunity. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace the podcast heard on the iHeartRadio app. You hear her morning features on this station as well, and also now about to be on the Doctor
Film Network with Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. One thing I've noticed covering these stories, Nancy, when the officials are very tight lipped, when the officials are not letting things out, are being very quiet about things, they usually know something they're trying not to tip their deck of suspect, is what I gather. But usually that's what I say on my radio program is Okay,
we're not hearing a lot for a reason because they know. I think that typically that's true or as And this is no affront to law enforcement because I
am from a law enforcement background. I was a felony prosecutor for ten years in inter city Atlanta, handling nothing so violent crime, and for years before that, I was a fed so I support our police and to what you're saying, yes, I believe for the most part they don't say anything because they're about to make an arrest or they don't want to tip off someone of the investigation. And sometimes they don't know what the haze is going on.
Nobody knows that they can't figure it out. Perfect example is Delphi where Liberty and Abbey were abducted off of the trestle Bridge and then murdered, and that's through no thought of the police. They were doing everything they could. It just took a long period of time to figure out the local pharmacy tech did it or so police say, we'll see when that goes to trial, But that took a long time to unravel, and to their credit, it's kind
of amazing. We understand and this will be born out at trial. I believe that between the two girls was a bullet somewhere on the crime scene where their bodies were found. They were not shot, we don't believe, but why was there a bullet That bullet had cycled through a gun, not shot by a gun cycled through like you know, you're showing off and you put a bullet in there and you cycle it through and he dropped it. That bullet matched up to a gun of the pharmacy text. Now that took some
police work right there. Oh yeah, they did it because the bullet had not been they know, and sometimes they don't have They don't have any idea. The bullet had not been fired, so there wasn't a lot of telltale grooves that they could match up. But just with the have it being racked through the slide, they were able to find enough distinguishing markings to match that.
No, what you know what that taught me something. I've done plenty of shooting cases, murderers agasoul and I have striation marks on the bullet, which you know, it's like a fingerprint. It goes back to only one gun, one gun only. I didn't know until this case that when you cycle or racket a bullet, it also leaves a mark. I did not know that. Now I do, Thanks Heaven, and you will too if you listen to Crime Stories with Nancy Grace the podcast. I got to ask,
Nancy, you've been on both sides of the system. What are your thoughts on our current federal justice system. Well, let me use the word I don't allow my sixteen year old twins to say it suck. But it's not just the beds. I mean, we spend money, millions, billions of dollars on so many things in our government. But with a burgeoning population, doesn't anybody get that the criminal population is rising as well? And to use a revolving door to let purpse out of jail, to go right back
out and re offend, it's crazy. And I don't know what it's going to take a stick of dynamite, you know where for cover? I don't know. I guess it's going to take one of their children or wives to be murdered before it hits home. It happened to me. My fiancee was murdered when I was in college studying Shakespeare in literature. I know what it feels like, and I don't want anyone to feel that way. It's happening
more and more and more with repeat offenders. So until Congress and the President, whoever they may be, I hate Republicans and I hate dumb crat they all live. Until they understand our crime problem, it's going to rise. Crime will rise again. We need rehab centers, addiction centers, and more correction facilities. Aka Jails Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You'll hear it on the iHeartRadio Appen everywhere you get podcast. Watch for the television version on Doctor
Phil's network. We thank you for joining us well, thank you so much, and good morning, I Come Diddy. Thanks for listening to Later with Lee Matthews, the Lee Matthews Podcast, and remember to listen to The Drive Live weekday afternoons from five to seven and iHeartMedia Presentation