This is Later with Lee Matthews the Lee Matthews Podcast. More What You Hear Weekday Afternoon is on the Drive. Andrew Bustamente is a former covert CIA intelligence offerres, decorated wartime military veteran US Air Force Academy graduate, and successful Fortune ten corporate advisor. Along with investigative journalist Paul Beben, they investigate a florry of new disturbing activities as they continue their search into the areas of strangeness.
Their show is Beyond Skinwalker Ranch. Season two is this week on the History Channel. Andrew, welcome to have good to have you along today. Thank you, thank you for having me very much. I'm excited to be here. So let's start at the beginning. How did an intelligence officer with the CIA get into researching unidentified activity? Yeah? Absolutely so if you think about
it. Really, CIA's job is to research unknown activity. Our job is to find secrets, cover secrets, and use the most credible investigative methods possible. I was never really one of the investigators that was into anything paranormal or anything strange or anything UFO related. But when the Skinwalker Ranch investigative team wanted to expand their research, beyond Utah. They needed to find a team of people who were outside of the normal paranormal and UFO community, and that's how
they found me. And I was invited into this party, and I'll tell you what, it's been a hell of a party ever since. Let's remind everybody what Skinwalker Ranch, that whole story absolutely. Skinwalker Ranch, a location in Utah, is an area that has for many, many decades been an area of research interest to the United States government and to the United States Industrial
weapons Industrial Complex. So a big part of that is because it's an area of what they call compounding compounding phenomenon, meaning there are different unexplainable phenomenon that seemed to all occur within a very close proximity of each other on one property. What does that mean. That means there's UFO sidings, there's orb sightings, there's lights in the sky, there's energy transmissions to and from that location
that don't have any known terrestrial origin. So when you find an area like that, a hotspot like that, it's very very unique, and it's of course an area of interest both for the scientific community as well as for the
national security community. And you as a government or former government employee are probably aware of the government does do a certain amount of research, whether it be for a weapon or for something else that they want to use later on for intelligence, and they do a certain amount of this stuff, and some of it's pretty whacked out. Yeah, absolutely, I mean the government doesn't do a certain amount. This is the vast majority of government budget actually goes into
future research and development. Because, if you think about it, if you find a new type of metal, or a new type of resource, or a new type of energy source, that can transform your country, that can transfer for your medical foundation, that can transform your community, that can transform your telecommunications industry, and that gives you a massive advantage over all of your
geopolitical peers. So for the United States, one of the key ingredients to remaining the only superpower in the world is always being the first to discover something new, whether that's a new threats or whether that's a new opportunity. Talking about the new season of Beyond Skinwalker ranch on the History Channel and Anthony Bustamante is the host of the show, along with an investigative journalist, Paul Baban,
Did you have any major surprises in the season's worth of episodes? We actually had several several just fascinating discoveries, absolute surprises, some of them that make the hair on the back of your next stand up, others that make
you chuckle out loud because you didn't expect it. From California to Florida, we had an awesome adventure across the United States that I can't wait to share with the American people because our investigation helped us connect more or not only with the men and women who share a flag with us, who also share these experiences with a phenomenon with us, but it also gave us a chance to expand and advance scientific research in a way that isn't well known. But as
are there still stories that just have you going. I have absolutely no idea what that is. Absolutely one of those stories is actually one of the things that you will see when we air tomorrow. We have the most compelling evidence ever recorded of a strange paranormal figure, an actual mass, a humanoid looking creature that presented itself to us in Nevada on multiple different types of technology optical camera, thermal camera as well as a visual imaging camera, all of it
captured on tape, all of it captured in person. We can't explain it, We don't know what it is. And in the moments, it makes you feel like you are an eleven year old child again discovering ghosts for the first time. And then it disappears, and just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there. And then immediately following that eleven year old moment of getting us and excitement is the eleven year old moment where you first watched
the movie Poltergeist. Yeah, and you're terrified instantly. Exactly exactly. X CIA agent Anthony Andy Bustamante and investigative generalist Paul Beeban of Beyond Skinwalker Ranch on the History Channel Tuesday nights at ten Eastern. That would be nine Pacific. The government, you were an employee, and now here you are looking into some of the things that they may or may not be behind. Have you butted heads with anybody that in the government and all your work in investigating this,
have you buttoned hands with anybody in the government. Yeah? Absolutely. The interesting thing is we have butted heads as well as found unexpected partners in some of our research. The data and the information that we're able to collect and share with the American peoples of such interest that we've had police and law enforcement as well as FBI even approach us to talk about collaborating on other investigations
that are behind classification channels or inside classification channels. But then similarly, we've also put it heads with politicians and with some government officers who just don't want us to do what we're doing because they either think that we are distracting people
or that we are potentially undermining national security and otherwise. So we're seeing that even within the government, it's not such a unified force, right, The government itself seems to be divided on the UFO topic, much like the US government is divided on a number of topics. Ken, I mean, so many times you see this portrade as the government doesn't want us to know because they don't think we can handle it. Have you ever come across something that,
wow, yeah, this is better left unrevealed. Yeah, you're talking to somebody who very much appreciates the value of a secret for multiple reasons. And there is a very real reason to keep secrets just to maintain public calm. And I've absolutely seen things in this investigation, things that we will not air, things that we need to research further, specifically, because going out with information that's only partially understood can cause more panic than productivity, and we
don't want to be a contributing factor for that. My my, my, Andrew bust A Minte, and you're not only a CIA intelligence officer. You could teach classes in I don't know journalism that evidently are not being taught. I appreciate that very much. Any that the main goal that I have is really just to take what the government has given me to get. The government gave me. CIA gave me the most exciting, most enjoyable, most thrilling career I could have ever asked for. And now I have one mission,
and that's just to give back as much as I can. And that leads to opportunities like this investigating some of the strangest things in America. And he does so on Beyond Skinwalker Ranch on the History Channel Tuesday nights at nine Central. And we thank you for joining us again, Anthony Bustamentek, Thank you
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