"You've Had Contact..." (w/ Garcelle Beauvais)

forty pumpkins? Do you remember this? I said on this podcast you can't get a good pumpkin beer in l A. And the readers you came through you were sending me a fleet, a true fleet of pumpkin beer, as they are still in my fridge, and I'm making a dent

in its way. Oh my goodness. I really I'm not you know me, I'm not always a beer guy, really no, but I feel like there's something so commanding in our guests presence where she just she held up the most beautiful tall glasses beer I've ever seen in my life, one of the tallest classes in America. We should say that was one of the tallest classes in the country. It was one of the tallest classes I've seen in

this great country of ours. And I have to say, I I thought maybe for a second we were drinking just some sort of like thick prosecco, and then it was it was revealed to be a beer. And so we're all celebrating with some Bruskie's right now. We are. She's off the clock from her her quote unquote day job, and she's relaxing with us. I mean, aren't you so thrilled that our guest is here? This is beyond This is how I know, Bo that the podcast has um

you know, quote unquote made it. And you know, though, despite the fact that the podcast has received critical acclaim and been cited in academic work for our insight into the entertainment industry, I do have to say that this maybe the highest accomplishment thus far is securing the guests. I absolutely agree. Um. We are such fans of hers. We both loved it, the memoir. We're holding in her hands right now. Podcasts are famously not a visual medium.

If they were, you would see that we are holding the guests like just incredible book Love Me As I Am, which was out on Don't Wait till the thirteenth time. If you're out there waiting, it's not a good idea because you can go on the twelve and get the

pre orders in why don't you? I mean you were saying earlier about how you ran to our guest at some sort of fancy event, and just watching you guys sort of discuss fancy pre awards events, I was just like, so much to learn before is what they're called in the biz. I've had the pleasure of meeting her already with her producing partner, Lisa glam Oh my god, Lisa

was wonderful. Lisa L. Wilson, Bobby Wilson Productions. Let's just let can we quickly just do a little little run through of the credits for our guests, And it's like so fruitless because the the the credit list is so stacked. But let's just go ahead and say you, if you're a listener a reader rather of this podcast, you certainly know our guests from the real house lives of Beverly Hills. And when we say day job, we do mean the real which to my I and I do have sort

of a home and is the best panel show on television. Yes, we should establish for our guests that Matt has has an incredibly wide or diverse palette in terms of daytime television, and for Matt to really love the real in a superlative way. The super it's just it's just superlative after superlative with our guests, the best, the best daytime talk show, Jamie Foxx show The House Down Coming to America. Yes, that is a two. And of course it's original coming

to America. I mean, we're talking about NYPD Blue, We're talking about I mean, just this is this is an iconic day Wait, she's in one of my favorite, one of the most iconic episodes of Curb your Enthusias as him. There you go, also part of one of the best twists in Marvel history. Oh my god, you're so right. It's not sleep on it all right, we can't. Oh my god. This actor is in the m C you you know, she's she's she she was, she was in the blip. I think she survived the blip. We actually

I don't know. I wonder if she knows if she survived the blip or even knows about the blip. We're gonna find out. She's shaking head. We're gonna find out, but we're so excited she's here. The book is love me as I am out. April twelve, please welcome into your ears. First of all, I could listen to you guys all damn day. No, it's this is a trialogue. You're in this now. It was so funny both of you. Do you know what the blip is? No? I don't

know what the blip is. Okay, so Fano's kind of the big batty in in the Avengers movies, snaps his fingers after he gets the Infinity. Gaunt wipes out half of life basically, so half of the world. It just disappears into dust as it were, and you know, for about three to five years. I don't know what the

exact timeframe is. You know, the people of Earth are sort of traumatized by this crazy event, and some people survived and some people did but then in the end things are all things are all good, and people come back to life. Oh well, I hope I'm not in the blip. I mean, I think what we think about Doris Tombs is, which is the kel of course, the character's name. Um, she may have perished in the Snap and come back in the Blip. But so but who's to say, really, who's to say why? I have to

tell you guys. When I got the offer for this job. First of all, I was like playing on the floor with my kids. My manager calls, as you know, you know that world and he calls and he goes, you got a movie offer, And I was like great, and he goes, but I don't know anything about it and I can't owe you anything about it, and it's a secret project. And I thought, what are you high like that? And then he goes, it's Marvel and I said, hang up the phone and go them right back. Yes, And

it was a great part. I mean, like it really like there's that scene. So for those who don't know at home, you find out that Doris Tombs, the character played by Garcel, is not just the mother of Peter Parker's love interest in the film, but the wife of the villain Michael Keaton himself. How about that. First of all, Michael Keaton is my favorite Batman down So when I flew to Atlanta we shot there, Um, I didn't even

know my part. And the first day I'm in the Michael Keaton comes up and he gives me this big hug and he goes, I did good picking a wife, and I was like, oh my god, Batman a man, Crazy Michael. I feel like that is such a perfect like vibe sort of encapsulation on your career. It's like people want to work with you crazy. I'm just a

little girl from Haiti. I could have been selling coconuts, but you listed in the book like towards the end, like I got to I get to work with all these amazing actors in this wide breadth of projects, and it really is like it hit me by the end, not that this is a new information to me, but I go, wow, she really has had this incredible career light It's like j Lo when she won her Icon Awards. I'm just getting started at it. Yes, No, it really feels like this is like I mean, we've been fans

for a very long time. Like I always remember you, even way back from the nineties because I used to watch the Jamie Bucks Show. Would sometimes would You've always just had such an incredible like magnetic screen presence, and I always remember seeing you on red carpets and everything. And then to be honest, like a couple of years ago when they said that you were joining Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, that kind of felt like a left

field thing for me. But now and watching it and watching you, especially on the second season, UM really find your way. You are a great housewife, and I feel like it's like it's like I still can't believe I am When people go you're a house off, I go, what you really? I panicked though the week before um they were gonna start airing, you know, my season. Um, I was at home and Bravo was sort of doing a recap of the past season and I literally freaked out and called my girlfriend and go, oh my god,

Oh my god. It's incredible. Was it this moment where you were like you you you saw you had the foresight in that moment to be like, oh, I'm gonna be on this show and I'm gonna be in these little clip super cuts going forward. Now. Yeah, definitely. I mean, like wow, And I've said this before, like you know, like you guys are saying about my career on some incredible things here and there. I've worked with some incredible people here and there. I have never gotten more attention

than when the announcement of Housewives came out. Yeah, I think you wrote about in the book to where you were like, you know you, you know, you got the offer and it was this calculated risk for you to be like do I want to do this? What what do I gain from this? Uh? And I think you said that you gained like this platform being given to you and then you took that that that that's the

thing that you took very seriously. And I feel like I feel like you're saying this is kind of hopefully proves out that like this was a worthwhile thing for you that like now, like for you to say that, like this is the thing that people know you in right now is is a huge deal. Yeah, it is

a huge deal. I mean, you know, the fans are just so invested in in all the franchises, but I feel like Beverly Hills is like the mother ship, right and it's unbelievable how people want to know what you're doing. Where are you doing it? Well, I've done interview is where people go the vase in the background is different now and I'm like, oh my gosh, they wanted the backstory on the vase. The drama as a short aquarium and I had to read and Kyle and so they're

both gone. Now they're gone. You know. That's what happens with fish, Kyle and both Dad. It's the season. It's like it's like friendships on Housewives. They come and go,

they change. Um. But yeah, I was thinking and reading the book and just and watching you as much as we've watched you now, like that does have to be, you know, for because I always think when someone has a successful acting career and then they go on Housewives, like it is a risk because you know, it's sort of opening up people to then make of that like a judgment on you as a person. And I guess nowadays everything kind of blends in a little bit more

like we see people and they roles. And I guess maybe because it's social media, because the media is so sensitive now, it seems to matter less. But you have been doing this for a very long time, So that also had to be a consideration, like do I want to be a reality star? Right? Totally? I mean when my you know, my team called and they said, you know, they're interested in you for Beverly Hills, They're like, we're

gonna pass. But since you know, so many people. We just want to let you know and you want it, and they were like no, and I'm like no, no, no, let me sleep on it. And you know, I've always done things sort of like outside the box in terms of like I've written children's books, I've you know, done television hosting for other other shows. So I've always done other things. So that for me, I just had to really sit with it. And I didn't want to travel

so much as an actor. So many things are not shot in l A. And I felt like I was always away and I have my kids half the time, and they were about to go to middle school, and I thought, sex, drugs and rock and roll is knocking at our door, and I want to be home. Yeah, about the sex drugs and the rock and rolls. So when I called them back and I said, you know what,

I want to do it. And I always feel like I always say yes to a meeting because you never know, even if it's not for that project, but at least you get to meet new people and who knows, right, So I was like, let's try it, let's go for it. And then I obviously had to talk to my ex and my kids and my son Jack's goes, are we getting paid? I'm only in it for the money. I was like, no, you're not getting paid, but I'll hook you up. There you go. He gets something like some

bump in his allowance. You know what. We forgot to mention the podcast going to public carcel, which which and this is another thing about the book which I love is the words getting my back blown out book. So if you think that we are not keeping it absolutely you say you keep it real in the very first

opening lines of the book. And you do that. And then I love that you have a podcast which is like fully focus kind of on that topic because you talked about how it took you a very long time to sort of get to know yourself like that for sure. For sure. Listen, I grew up in a in a Haitian household, which is very strict. We don't talk about sex, We don't talk about anything really uh that's deep or

you know, controversial. So when I started to you know, find myself, realize you know who I am and what I like, what I don't like. Um, I realized, you know, it's liberating for women now to talk about sex and own it. And you know, you have songs like whopping and you know, women are coming into their own yes. And I also remember it was like I think it was on House Lives. It was your first lunch with Erica Jane, and I remember you asked her house and even she Erica Jane, like how to take a second

to like she was chewing? She was? She was she was chewing food. I think chowing, but you know she was. She was caught off her car um And I was just like, yeah, but that is the question we all want to know the answer to. It's the one we haven't asked. Come on, he was eighty something right, yeah at the time, and yeah, I mean she's a hot, hot girl. You I was dying to know, like what are you doing? Are you, you know, servicing and put tucking them in and then doing your own things? Like

are you servicing and talking him in? Honestly? What where where are we at on the on the scale here? We really don't know, but I guess that that must have taken time to build to that level of candor where you kind of just just concentrated. Ask someone with a camera rolling, how often do you have I mean like like like I feel like that because I because I related as a child of immigrants as an immigrant myself. Like, I mean, we didn't. We never talked about sex growing

up in the house either. We still don't really and I think I'm still like unlearning a lot of that. And I hope to one day ask someone if they have us up with their eighty year old spouse. I think you're there. Yeah, you know, we relate on that for sure. Um. I remember when I moved to New York at seventeen and I came home to visit my mom and she saw birth control pills in my purse and she said, you've had contact. And then she had you know, we were spiritual aliens, like you've had contact,

and that was the extent of it. And and that's it, and and that's all. That's all Kiki said that that was that was it really, I mean, we never really talked about it. So for me, I mean, once I went to New York, I sort of like you know she when I say in the book, she gave me the wings to fly. That was my chance to go find who I am, or at least try to figure out who I was, and you know, what I liked and what I didn't like and who you know, just

who I became. But it was definitely a process. You know, I wouldn't have asked anybody at seventeen, how's your sex life? Sure? Well, I feel like you are very honest with yourself in this book. And I feel like I wonder how you had to how much you would a catalog, the intimate

connections you would have with people. Speaking of the podcast, you did right in the book how you and Jamie you had Jamie on, Yeah, and you guys kind of both waxed nostalgic about your time on the show, and you you did mention in the book and this is just this is just me quoting the book that there were some like fireworks crap, like just popping backstage behind

a steamy kiss, me kiss. I mean we got to kiss as a character, which was always great, and Jamie would always go, how many takes do we have time to do? I just want to perfect my craft. Kiss that one seamy kiss was backstage and it wasn't character based, and uh, yeah, I mean he's a great kisser. He's uh, he's just a great guy. And uh but I knew

you don't blank where you eat. I didn't want to like god forbid, something happened on episode six, you know, not having a good time at work, right, you know, And not to bring Matt and E's experience into this, but I think we are. We're starting to learn that. It's like literally, I like, I like reach from my notebook to write that down. I'm like, it's so funny.

I have this notebook here because I've been mainlining the new Brunet Brown and I'm like taking notes like like like I'm like literal show the Atlas of your heart or whatever, and so like it's really good and honestly, and you'll be proud of me. Tomorrow I have my and maybe you will too garselves. Tomorrow I have my

very first therapy appointment ever. I'm finally amazing and um and so like I'm just very interested now because I just finished the job and I have some time, like you know, just like you know, getting to know and just the way she breaks down emotion and everything. So from that, you're gonna be You're gonna become an amazing person now that you're not. But we can always improve, we can always grow working even like she she like she broke down emotions. She said, emotion is biology biography,

behavior and backstory. And I just think even as an actor, that helps you know, it's such an interesting the four bees that tool. But I reached down to to fake write down that advice to myself from you, and I saw, don't blink where you blink, don't blink where you eat. But you know, bone and I could learn that better. That's that should have been one of my gems. Oh yes,

the gems you have? Do you have the gems in the in the in the back of the book, these beautiful, beautiful like encapsulations of like you know, all your sort of principles, I guess is for lack of a better word, um, okay, So I know you guys got the pre company. You have to get the actual book because the pictures in there are amazing. I do want to see pictures. Tell us them. What are the pictures of telling Oh, my God, of everything, of me as a kid, me with Tom Ford,

me with Jamie Fox, I mean, Michael Joe Orton. There's a few people in there. Okay. I loved the Michael Jordan story. So Garcella tells a great story about basically how Michael Jordan was fully marking up her tree back in the day and you didn't know who he was. I didn't know who he was. Oh my god, I I had. I went on to go see at Essence Magazine and uh, you know, I got hired for the job.

I was going for a fitting and they said tomorrow you're working with Michael Jordan's and the way they said it, I knew it was somebody that was important, but I didn't know who it was. It was no Google, there was nothing. So I'm so excited cool, no idea who he was, and with that named Michael Jordan, it could have been anyone in America. The next day he was. He was just a tall guy to you, like a tall chocolate man. He couldn't have been nicer. And the

way everybody was spawning. And so after the shoot, I old home and my brother was like, are you kidding? Oh my gosh, that is truly unreal. He was great. So I have a question. I think it was your first season was when you um went out to lunch with Sharai Zampino and all of y'all's friends and now say is on the show, so and you mentioned that you dated Will Smith, Like was that before Chay or Like what was what was the deal with that? Um? I think actually we talked about this the other day.

I can't remember. It was after her marriage. They were divorced and he was doing Fresh Friends and I did like four episodes of Fresh Friends and like that was two different characters. It was the weirdest thing. You played two different characters. Yeah, and bring back to bring her back? And uh so yeah, so you know, I mean I was an entnoe. He was single and and you know TV star. So we went out a couple of times.

It wasn't the long lasting UM relationship. But I remember one day calling him and he was in the car and his son was Shari were he was in the back. So he picked up on you know, in the car and bluetooth or whatever it was back in the day or speaker phone and uh and he said, hey, how are you doing? And I said I'm great. And I heard this little voice in the background go is that miss Jadah? And I was like, okay, I'm not the only one exit stage left. Unbelievable. You be like, girl,

it is not about you. You better get out of there. It's still could have been about you. Blaz If a kid knows that somebody, then that person is a little bit more portant, right, But you're not gonna like fight for that spot because it wasn't like that. Okay, Okay, I get it, I get it. It was cash. It was cash. This is something pretty historic about you ourselves for there to be two actors playing one role in

Aunt Viv. You might be one of the only people in the Fresh Prince universe to be the same actor playing multiple parts. I know, that was so crazy. I came in as when he went to school, when he got to the private school. Um, and then I came back as a different character in the apartment when they had that big guy come in and we had to hide them. I mean, it was crazy. It was Shenanigans.

But it was such a cool show. Like you know, we didn't have a lot of shows that were for us in a way, right, And that's what made Jamie Fox Show so special was because it was one of those like the rules in the Crown of like black sitcoms. Totally, that's that's that's great. I mean there was another I think there's another story in the book about Eddie Murphy being like another like one that kind of got away. Yeah, I mean but that but you really you re unite

with these men like that. But that's what's so mature about this whole thing is and so beautiful and kind of speaks to your you know, your perspective over the years is that you can still like approach these people in this very professional way and that still has a lot of emotion and heart and memory associated to them. Thank you. I appreciate that. I mean, I think for me, my background in the way I was raised, has a

lot to do with It's like my foundation. Right. So with Eddie, we worked you know, on Coming to America the Original and listen, there were so many beautiful women on that set. It was like we were all hired just with that right. I had gone up for the lead role, which I had no business doing. I knew nothing about acting, and so of course I didn't get that part. But John Landis, I remember, called my modeling agency.

I didn't even have an agent, and he was like, if she wants to be in the business, this is a great way for her to see what it's like and be a part of it. And it was like a three month shoot and so um I decided to do it, and everybody was vying for him. I mean, you know what, well, yeah, we had a really great chemistry and he was really cool and really he was such a gentleman. Yeah, even then when he was his star was rising, there was something about him that was

still a gentleman and I like that. Yeah. Yeah, classic guy, really classic guy. And I barely sort of you know, crossed paths with him when he when he was hosting US an L a couple of years ago. But it was such like a I mean all of us like sat around being like we wouldn't be here without him. You know, he saved the show, you know, like it would have just ended after you know, five ten seasons or whatever. It was great to see him back on

the stage, It really was. It was phenomenal to see yeah. Yeah, yeah. And we talked a lot about all these roles that you've played, but you really do seem so comfortable being

yourself on the reel. And then I didn't know that was one of your ambitions, like from way back, was to always wanted to be a talk show host and days, I mean I didn't know it was a talk show host, but I thought journalism, entertainment, you know, And um, I remember we had uh you know, like you know how you have in school, you have a channel at school, and you know, we'd get to go up and tell the news or whatever was happening. And I always wanted

to do that. And so even before acting, and I remember my agents and you know, my people would always say, but you're doing so well, like why would you At that time, people weren't really diversifying. Yeah, you know, if you were an actor, you were strictly an actor. If you were a model, you were strictly that. And so I waited and waited, and then finally UM got the chance you tell a story about um spending a week at the View. Oh my god, I really couldn't because

it's like you you do. I mean, everyone needs to get the book to especially like people that listen to this podcast, like love when we talked about like the Ladies who Punch However, you know, people want to receive that.

But it's it is so fascinating, like the View is such a integral part of pop culture, and there is that fascination about what goes on behind the scenes because you know, you hear certain things and then when I would imagine that when you go there and you do sort of get at this in the book to you just think it can't possibly be the reality, you know what I mean, I can actually be that, and then

it is. Yeah. And what was really like the just the position of both is I was in Haiti when I got the call that they wanted me to come do a week. So here I am in a country that, you know, there's not a lot um and uh, and the women in Haiti are so prideful, whether you have a nickel or whether you have you know, more money. It's just like there's a sense of pride and ownership

and faithful, you know, hopefulness. And so going from there, where you know there's there's a lot of lack, flying to New York where there's everything right, and I and and I go and I was just expecting, like come on in cars, We're so excited, and it was like who's here today? That was pretty much how it was. And in a way I get the sense of there was a lot of they weren't sure who was staying. There was a lot of different people in the chair. So I get that. But at the same time, for me,

if someone comes into my home, I'm always welcoming. Of course, of course, absolutely, can we get specific about some of these interactions. So I mean, I I guess multiple women on the on on the panel, we're just sort of you know, terse for lack of a better word, and it feels it's it's really just I think my I think I was just pretty a gape when I was reading this, like, oh my gosh. But I guess it's no surprise that I'm like Matt who really is well

versed in the View. And yeah, it was like, going on, well, did I ever so, did I ever tell you this is our first time meeting Carson? Did I ever tell you about the time? No? No, but you know what, Bone and I went to the View one time and we were in the audience just because actually it was because so I'm a huge Kelly Clarkson fan, and she was, she was a guest on the show. So I guess the producer on the show was like, we can get them tickets people that listen to this podcast. I've heard

us tell the story. But now at the time, it's it's well, it's it's funny because it was the day that I got the call that I was hired to be a writer and and but it was. It was. It was a really tough day because Matt and I had both auditioned, had screen tested the same year they bought it. They brought us both in twice and that was the day we found out that they were offering Bowen a job and not me. So it was, it was, it was, It was a lot, and we were going through.

It was an emotional day, but we won. The one thing that broke the tension between us and like really made us laugh was to do it. It was going to the view and they did this dance contest, like where all the women in the audience like did this goofy little dance and the crowd motivator was like, all right, we're gonna have um. The panelists are gonna say who won, and there well and she goes whoop, hold on the dance contest and will be just goes. I don't give

a funk about this. It was both iconic and also filled in a lot about probably what the situation is there. Yeah, but it was very informative. That one moment was very informatively. I mean we screamed laughing. That is hilarious and I'm sorry you didn't get it. Oh, it's okay. I'm I'm doing just fine. I know you are. Really is he really is? I know you are. This story, I'm gonna

sidebar a little bit. I used to I used to model with Cameron Diaz and Kevin Yeah in l A. I we used to model together and she's the greatest girl. And I remember we used to model with this other girl named Elizabeth and Elizabeth had an audition for what's the first movie? Camera? Yes, the mask? The mask maybe mask. So they were supposed to hang out and Elizabeth said to Cameron, come with me and then we'll hang out

right after Wait, oh my god, I've heard this story. Yes, and the casting director goes, are you reading for this? And camera goes no, I'm just with her. They're like, no, you need to read with her, and then Cameron becomes a big star. Yeah, but you sort of had that same story too, where you were tagging along with a friend who was playing an extra who's doing background work. Yes, yes, yes, yes, and then that that sort of like gave you the bug. Yeah. Yeah,

that totally gave me the bug. I didn't know what an extra was, and he's like, at seventy five dollars a day, and I was like, count me in. That was big money and this was in Miami, and so I did. It was an orange juice commercial. And then on the second day I had the courage to go up to one of the principal actors and it was really pretty black girl, and I said, Hey, I want to do what you're doing, and she liked what he said.

I don't give a fuck, And so I found out who her her age agency was, like Green Marie, and so I borrowed my mom's car. Driving to Fort Lauderdale, I stopped at a red light. I put my head out the window to check my makeup. I decided that I needed lip gloss. I'm in my personal looking for lip gloss. A hand comes in the car scares the ship out of me, and it's a card. It's the woman who was in the traffic like behind me, and

she's like, you should be a model. And when I look at the card, it's the agency I was going to without an appointment. Unbelievable. Crazy, Yeah, that is a sign. That's one of those stories though, that like you don't really get any more in the business now. It's like people just discover people through like you know, social media, which is great, but there is there's something like so like legendary about something like that. I never I've known about the story like for me in the book and

from senior interviews. But I still I just still like gives me a little like me and I lived it. Yeah, so crazy. You can't make that up. It's so funny too, because like I remember when I was young and I would read stories about like you know, so and so was discovered on the street. I remember when I moved when I moved to New York at eighteen bone and I went to n y U and so we both moved to New York at eighteen very similar, very similar

age to you. And it really is when you talk about, like, you know, New York City is like it's the most exciting city in the world, but when you first get there, it is so lonely and so crazy because everyone knows exactly where they're going and what they're doing. So I remember, like I said to myself, you know what, I should just do walk the streets because you could get discovered.

So I would go out there and like it was like the first week of n y U and I would just go walk around like trying to look like I was somebody or going somewhere, and someone did stop me and they said, boone, have I ever told you this? Stop me? And sounds did I ever tell you this? No? Yeah, but I'm walking on the street and someone did come up to me and was like, I'm not kidding you. They were like, have you ever thought of modeling? And I was like, literally in the back of my head,

I was like, it's happening. I did it. Yeah, it's happening to me. I've been in New York for less than a week and I'm being asked to be a high fashion model. So I take the guy's card, and obviously it's one of those like scams which just like to get like little twink twinkie boys on roofs and take their shirts off. So I did. I did, unfortunately, like take some like creepy photos on a roof when I was eighteen, so not as glamorous as your story. But I also don't know where those photos are. Oh

my god, we have to find those photos. Yeah, please, I don't really get my people on it. We all start somewhere. Absolutely have to say, Bowen, I was so excited to see you and I told you this one, you know, the night before party. The iceberg is the funniest thing I have seen. Thank you. Mean, I was like, who is this guy? Over and over again? So sweet? And I will say I was there with Adie Bryant and Vanessa Bear, Matt's co star in this upcoming showtime show.

But the three of us were kind of like walking around, kind of like rolling our eyes, going on whatever. There by the way, there really were and but I just want to say that the three of us were the most excited and star struck to see you. At least at least there was no wonderful Oh. We were so excited, we like stopped, we were like telling you, were like, we're so on your side and all of the different conflicts. It was the hashtag team Garcel. I mean it was

it was. I really remember they all texted me after that because and I'm telling you, like on the set of my new show, which I'm on a show with Molly Shannon and Vanessa Bayer, well yeah number one and wait till you wait until you see her in this um. But like so they all jam about housewives all the time and everyone is team Garcel. Obviously, how could you

not be. But before we ask about the culture that made you say culture was for you, I did just want to ask about about the experience of being on the show in that second season, because I remember like there there were more and more difficult conversations that happened, I think your second year than your first year, and you talk in the book about, um, you know, your exchange with Kyle who I always liked Kyle on the show and really was shocked when she when she pulled

that stuff on the reunion, UM, when she accused you of not paying the charity um, and then when you had that conversation with her, that sit down, I do actually think it changed the show so much for the better because that type of conversation really needed to be had. And then as the season progressed, I actually thought that while a lot of those conversations were successful, some of them I felt I felt like, I'm I'm specifically thinking

about the scene where you all were at dinner. I think it was your onward on a trip and you and they ended up sort of like really coming down on you to the point where you sort of broke down a little bit because they weren't taking you. Um, they weren't believing you when you said you felt like another in the group, and I felt and this is something that I think I just I talked with you bone about two that the show kind of framed it as like and we finally got to know who Garcel

was more in that moment. But also part of me felt like, wow, you really needed to break this woman down at this dinner for you to understand even a little bit. And it did feel a little vulture is to me, um, like they were waiting to break it down in that moment. Yeah, and we know, we know that certain women on the show played certain roles. You know,

I love Lisa Arena. I love watching her as a character on television, but sometimes I feel like it maybe goes a little far um And I felt like that was one that was one instance, and I wondered if you could speak to that outside of being edited on the show to say a certain thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, you know that was really hard for me. And when I kept on saying that, I felt sort of like

other it's because I truly felt that way. I didn't course, you know, anyone really reached out when you know it was supposed to be real friends like weren't reaching out outside of the show, Like when I spoke, I wasn't being heard, and I felt like I wasn't also sometimes being seen. So it just kept on building up and building up and building up. And You're right, a lot of people were like, it's a shame you had to break down for them to actually see you and get

to know you. But at the same time, I feel like that helped me too, because, um, it allowed me to let them see me be vulnerable, which I think, which is crazy that I needed to do that, But I felt like it didn't make me closer to some of them. But it's a it's a tough show. I mean, it's the hardest job I've ever had. Honestly, the only people it's me. It's not a character. I can't find it. People really care and or invested and and what's hard for me is connecting with someone and then but not

trusting it. You know, That's what's really hard. It's like, yeah, I can be friends with them, but do I trust them? And you know, I've struck a great friendship with Sutton and and Kyle, and I love that Kyle was open

enough to hear me and have that conversation. I really do, because what I was trying to say is, and I say this in the book, the fact that she knew how to get in touch with me, and um, you know, we all chipped in to get five thousand masks when you couldn't get masks anywhere for a hospital, and so we all paid for that. So like, why wouldn't I pay for this charity? And uh dollars, I mean, come on, what the hell? And so um. But when I spoke to her, I felt like she really got it. We

didn't have to labor it. But being on the show, if you have a diverse you know, housewife, how are you not going to have diverse conversations? You know what I mean? And I don't think they've ever really had to have those type of conversations until I came along. And there was a front of tone to the conversations you were having compared to and I happen to be a fan of both styles, but Crystal was having very sorry um, I would say, not explosive, but just like

just very to the point. She was very to the point. I feel like your sort of style and approaches to offer some grace and for and some latitude for people to realize different their actions but but also absolutely but then to also bring your vulnerability into it is very brave.

And I will say something that really stayed with me from the reunion this past season was, you know, I don't know where things stand with you and Lisa now, but I think run out but like you were and Rena sort of had this pretty intense exchange where you were really like holding your own again. She was really coming after and you you killed it, but you were, I mean you were you were very solid and steady

the whole time. And then she finally, you know, has that moment where she crosses over sits next to you and it's like, can we please just move on from this? And there's pause and I don't know if I don't know if it's the editing or what, but the way there's that pause and then the way you you just look into her eyes and say you got it. I was like, wow, what, like what a beautiful moment of classiness and of grace forgiveness. I mean, you know, I've

known n twenty years, you know what I mean? And uh, And I think a little bit of her has changed with the show. But at the same time, I was willing to say, Okay, let's really let's really go for this, and I can't wait for you to see this new season. I'm excited. I mean, I said, I said from the beginning when they when you first had the scene with Shari and all those ladies, I was like, where's that show? And so now now to have Shari on the cast, I wonder did that make it so much more fun

or how did it? How did it change the dynamic for you know? It was great and it's so funny because she comes in and she goes, did you call her back up? I got to hear that line of the trailer exactly. And it's been great. I mean, she comes in like it maybe you know, in like a episode eight or whatever. Um, but yeah, it's just nice not to be the only one in the room, just to have someone that I that I know has my back,

you know, and it's been, uh, it's been fun. And every now and then, more now than then, she will look at me and she goes, girl, what you get me into? What? She just look at me? I should go, what the hell was Aspen? One of those times? Oh yeah, she had no idea. That was the first trip and she was like, I can't, I just can't. It sounds like that will go down in history. This upcoming Aspen

trip probably my last. Oh my god, with the town with the town of Aspen, not not the town of Aspen really, but you know, it was just a lot. I mean in three days. I can't. We did so much. How I see, it's a very how that happened. Yes, and what is the new season? May eleven love it? Alright, so let's transition. But what do you say? We ask ourselve the question. I'd love to go ahead of Carcel. So here's the thing here on Lost Coach, we love to ask this following question, what was the culture that

made you say? Culture was for you? This is that formative thing in the pop culture lexicon. Movies, music, television can be like just something that was in your surroundings that made you when you look back, you Oh, for me, it's a couple of things. I think. You know. Culture for me started when I when I heard R and B music, so I would go visit my my cousins and Dorchester, Massachusetts. Yes, and that's the first time I heard heard R and B. And I was like, what

is that? Because obviously I heard you know, Haitian music and Kompa and Sassa and all that stuff. But to hear R and B, I was like, what is that? Who is singing? And it just it was everything to me. And then from there I would have to say like TV shows like um, like good Times. That was I didn't see us like you know on TV. So that was it. And then I would say I would jump to clueless, clueless. That was cultures called hills, that was rich kids, that was you know, um, that was that

was big for me. I hate to say that. You know what's funny the only you are our second housewife we've had on and Dr Wendy was the first. And she said clueless. She said clueless, She's what? Yeah? She also wasn't She's a Nigerian immigrant and she said that that was like she had like especial seeing like Dion and then she said, yeah, Dion was everything. Everybody wanted Dion Um, all the girls wanted Dion Um. Oh my god.

From there, I would say would dumb and Louise bi culture, Oh my god, culture, And I discovered my husband in my head, Bradkitt dumping on the bed shirtless. Yes, I mean I think that was the first time that I got moist. I mean, in many ways same, I did things to my body I didn't know are possible. It really, it really is such a visceral sex appeal. I mean, I mean, I mean even now, like I just we just saw him in the Lost City and he was in it. I'm in it for two seconds. But I

just just for a seen barely. So what so what it was fun? We we we we shot the d R and it was lovely. It wasn't it wasn't it wasn't Haiti, I know, but it was just what a beautiful part of the world. What did you shoot with? I shot with Sandy, with Sandy Bull and your your co star Channing Tatums Sandy, Sandy, We're on Sandy n She's in the phone of Sandy, Sandy Sandy be but but but then it was also with Channing Tatum your Yes, so White House down, I go to shoot, I'm in

the trailer. I come out of the trailer and Channing is walking towards me. I swear to god, it was slow motion and I could not believe somebody was that fine. I believe incredibly incredibly and so nice, so so wonderful. Yeah, really great guy. But I I think I had that same sensory experience to where, you know, but in terms of like it felt so like like that is a movie star, like the air in the room, just like changes.

I remember the first time I saw Channing Tatum in Coach Card and I was like, ab solutely Coach Carter. He was. He was literally one of the high school It's like a basketball movie. Um, I know the movie. I didn't even realize he was in it. It was like, I think the only other thing he had done or was gonna do was like step up came like maybe right after that, and I was like, but who is that? I mean he is. He's just so physically perfect that

it's that it's jarring. And yeah, I guess like the only other person on screen that really cut through like that might be like Brad from way back in in in this movie, it's chanting in Brad sort of doing like a few scenes together, sharing the frame, and you go, where do I look? You know, You're like these two people who are kind of just like are playing off of each other like physically in a way like one like they both look like each other. Do you know

what I mean? Right right? I can't wait to see I'm gonna watch it this weekend. Especially, Oh, thank you, Thank you. Brad is like an awakening for so many people. I hadn't seen five Club. I hadn't seen Tom and Louise, Like I came in late on the brand train. But he was eating food. He was like eating, stepping his face in every scene. And I was like, he can make that, you can make eating look sexy. Yeah, some people got it. I want to ask him. So when

you said R and B music, who were your favorite artists? Oh, my god, back in the day. For me, it was my first concert was Teddy Pendergrass because my sister Pendergrass. Um everybody from like the Jackson five to Marvin Gay to, I mean, there's so many, and one of them this is not our. I mean one of my favorite songs is Stair with Heaven. Oh that's a hard left that.

I'm a complex girl. Absolutely, you contain multitudes. I similarly um like for some reason, like I was, I'm a white kid from Long Island, but I started I started listening to exclusively like late nineties R and B. So I looked I was recently home and I found like a C D jacket and it was like brand the Monica Mariah when she put out the Butterfly album, like Lauren Hill. Mis Education of Lauren was the best album

ever ever. We just had the Grammys and I was like I was, I was thinking to myself, like every that's all. That's great work, But then where are the formative albums? You know what I mean? Like mis Education that was like a formative albums out When you said R and B, I just thought of my own like

a weekending with that. But looking at how Bruno Mars, like how many awards he won last night that at the Grammys that, you know, it goes to show you that there's still people that love because I feel like he's sort of old school R and B. Yeah, and and and Baptiste too, just like so what what a talented multi talent. I didn't realized he was doing all that. I didn't either, blown away and I started following him, you know, as soon as I finished watching the show,

and I'm obsessed. Talk about a gorgeous man too, Oh my god, odd he is stunning too. And it's so funny because like you see you forget that these guys are like band leaders on late night shows like Quest Love, Winning the Oscar Don Betsy's Sweeping the Grammys, and they're literally like on Coldbart and Fallon killing it every night.

And I thought to myself, like, that has to be a demanding around the clock, I would imagine, because you're like musical directing these huge shows, and then they also have time to create these brilliant works. I mean, just so cool. Bravo, Bravo, bravo, all around for sure, absolute bravo, Bravo, Bravo. Oh no, I didn't realize that. I didn't even Oh god, that's funny. Have you ever done that? Or now it's like you don't you know not to apparently, how is Denise?

I think she's good. We text, we haven't seen each other. She's good. Thing. Um, I think she wanted to come back, but I think that doors closed. Now. I remember when you went on Watch What Happens Live and said that I imagine that you have so many concentric circles of friends. If you're write about this and in the book in a way that feels great, like you have your inner circle of friends that you are confidence with. And then they are like, oh, you call them the front row people,

and there's some relegated relegated to the nose bleeds. Yes, sometimes you got to put them up there if they if they're not living up to their you know, front row status. But yeah, my front row is everything. Like I don't. We don't have to talk every day, but when we need each other, we are there and we know who we are, and they uplift, they check you if they need to. I mean, it's what you want and friends you don't want friends that are just gonna say, yes,

you're amazing every day. Of course, so that's great. I don't. I don't take that for granted in my life at all. Like I I look around and I go, wow, I'm so lucky to have these people who I get to just you can be honest with me, and I'm not not not not not everybody necessarily has that right this business that we're all in, you know, you want to

know who's really there for you. Yeah. I think that's also a reason why it's really important to keep those people that have been with you for a long time, Like you know, I think Bowen said this the other day. I think we've been friends for fourteen years, like and it's it's just so funny because like, so life has so many ups and downs and changes. But I still feel like I can say anything to Bowen, and I think he can say anything to me. And I would get nervous if I felt like I couldn't tell my

friend the truth exactly exactly. You know, they may not like it sometimes, but I think that's what being friends is, you know, it's about. Yeah, I wanted to ask about like the relationship with you and everyone on The Real too, because the reason why it's my favorite panel show is because it not to like not that no, no, I

watch it. Well, I don't watch it live every day, but I always go on YouTube and it's always all over my landing page because I really do genuinely think you guys talk about important ship like I think that you talk about life things. And I love how emotional the panel gets and it feels it feels like it really walks the walk of being the Real because you know, I just think everyone on the show is such a star and you have really filled it out in such a great way. Um. But I've been such a fan

of Adrian's for so long. I remember the first time on Star Search. I'm not even kidding. I said she's a star, and when she didn't win, I was like, this show is sarked up. Um, And then you know Genie as well. I'm such a fan, and so not only do I like everyone individually, but it's the chemistry together that is not just handed to you. It's been

so great. I mean I had been on the show before, um, you know, promoting whatever it is that I was promoting, but it's another thing to see them every day, and especially now that we're in person, I mean we can talk. I mean sometimes we have to shut us up between commercial breaks so we can come back, you know, because we just have Although we're all women of color, we have so many different like our lifestyles are different about

and it's really great that there's no judgment. You can just say how you feel and we accept it even if we don't agree. Yeah, there's genuine disagreement to without feeling nervous. Like when I watched the View, I actually had to stop because I feel like, especially when Megan was there, I would always feel nervous, like it made me anxious to watch and I didn't need more social anxiety in my life. So but when I watched The Real,

it's it's offering perspective and there's real listening happening. Yes, that's a really good point. Thank you for saying that. Thank you. I hope it doesn't go away. What's the story. I don't know. It started off as a rum where we haven't heard yet, and we we end at the end of this month, so you know, hopefully readers watch

the Real. You gotta watch the reel. I feel like it's it's filling this hole that um not to not to invoke this, but I feel like I feel like you all talk about health, which in a very like honest way that like I think hasn't been talked about since like Oprah. Like I think Oprah was was like the kind of the last daytime person to like talk about like specifically like women's health in a way that was just like necessary and if like the four of you kind of are able to hit on that in

a very honest way. In the four you, you are very open about what each person is going through. No, I love that too, And I feel like we can also talk about our community better than anybody else because while living it, which is really great. So I do love that. I love that we talked about mental health, we talk about women's issues, we talked about everything, and we have fun doing it today. Actually, when I left, Lonnie had switched her wig around and she was ridiculous.

It was hid. Lonnie is just one of the funniest people. She got it. And and not not to bring up my own work again, but I do remember one of the first like people to compliment me on the iceberg, Lonnie tweeted it like was just shouting it from the rooftops on Twitter, just being like that was bo and Yang wow. And I was like, Lonnie, Lonnie love just saw that. Oh my god, I just I freaked out. I think I was the first to screenshot that and

sent it to you because peek behind the curtain. I was actually sitting here on this couch recovering from a rhino plasty that I needed to have, so I'm like, literally, it's not it wasn't enough that I didn't get a full face bandage watching Bow and Slay on television, and I was just like, I was so proud. I can't even cry or smile or laugh because it would hurt. But but I then went on Twitter just to see what everyone was saying, and Lonnie Love had popped all

the way off about the iceberg. It was so good, it was so good. But she's so good about supporting that that's important. Yeah, I can, I can, we can tell, really tell that. She's just like she's she's real, she's she's on the reel. Yeah. Shall we move to I don't think so, honey, Let's do it. Let's do it. Okay.

So this is sort of you're never going to believe this, but an iconic segment of the podcast where we take sixty seconds to absolutely rant drag rave about a particular subject in pop culture that you know deserves it, and unfortunately, um that time is now so sorry. In advance to the topics that we discussed, we iconically did not do a topical episode last week. We had a banked episode, so we did not get to touch on what might be one of the biggest pop culture events in recent history.

And I have haven't I don't think so, honey. That may disappoint our readers even more because I'm going to talk about the evening, but not that I see. Okay, this is this is perfect prefacing. This is Matt Rodgers. I think, so, honey, A time starts now. I don't think so, honey. People dragging Amy Schumer for that bit

with Kirsten Dunston Jesse Clemons. So she asked Kirsten Dunce to get up because she thought she was a seat filler so she could like flirt with Jesse Clemons, and people on Twitter actually thought she was being disrespectful to Kirsten Dunst. You guys, I don't think so, honey. It's called humor, it's called jokes. I understand we had all just been through a shared traumatic moment watching what happened unfold, but we can't lose our sense of humor. Jamy Schumer

is the host of the show. Everything she does on camera is a planned bit. There are no moments of riffing. Well I was, you know, that's probably not true, but with the host, that's not how it works. I don't think so, honey. Also, people are not giving Kirsten Dunce the credit. Just because she played that expertly and made you think she was annoyed doesn't mean she wasn't in on it. She's an amazing actress. And yet again, Kirston Dunts perfectly underplaying something and not get in the credit

for it. I don't think so, honey, readers do better. And that's one minute, because because if we don't know that's not a bit, we don't deserve to watch TV. Come on, come on, who doesn't doesn't She had to get on Twitter and be like, guys, I knew it was Kirsen dunched. It was a bit she was in on, like I would never disrespect the queen like that, Like, come on, come on, she's she's the damn host. It's gonna be produced, Like there have been meetings about every

single thing she's gonna do on that show. Knows who's sitting in what seats, they have the whole seating chart and the whole thing. Yeah, And then when she said to Jesse, I'm such a fan of your work, It's like she's like, who are you here with? And he was like, my wife and and she was like, you're married to that seed filler. I just thought the whole thing was great. And then to go online and have people ruin it by wasting their breath with their takes

about how it was disrespectful. I think people have too many takes. That's my note for the oscars of it all is too many takes. Everyone needs to just relax, relax, relax. You know what I think it was that, you know, the critical mass of like the slap discourse had been reached, and I think people were looking for other things to like talk about. Yeah, that's a good point. That might have been it. Yeah. Yeah, it hit the ceiling and they were like, what do I do with all this energy?

Was what happened? Reckless with it? Um? Okay, So that's one to chew on for everyone at home. Bow and Yang, do you have it prepared? I don't think so, honey, Um I do I do. I'd love to hear that. One of my favorite things to hear. All right, Bowen Yang, this is your I don't think so, honey. Your time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Jared Letto being

still the worst coworker in Hollywood. There are these stories coming out now about him on the more bea set taking twenty minutes to pee or not even twenty minutes, but more than twenty minutes, having to be wheeled out in a wheelchair has nothing to do with his character. His character is not in a wheelchair in this movie, or is not physically, you know, incapable of walking himself

to to the restroom. This is another sort of pseudo method bullshit thing that he's putting his entire set through. And now there's reports of him aspiring to be a pedophile, to play a pedophile and then going method with that. Honey, that's gonna go. How do you think that's gonna go? Jared Letto, We've got to end this fifty year old man. Have some respect for yourself, Have some respect for your coworkers. You do not stand with YATSA. You do not stand with SAG, you do not five g A. You're an

anti union man. If you were literally running the clock and making people's days worse. And that's one minute when I heard Anne Hathaway say she felt like she had never even met him until the respect how about that they probably weren't together for four months. Have you ever had a co star that was method Garcel? No, not really, I don't think so. Oh no, no, no, no, no no no. I had this one actor who I said I will never work with the in We was so difficult.

He would say nutes in the middle of the night to myself and the director about how he saw the scene. At one point, his character had to cook my character breakfast. He wanted six different knives because the knives that they brought were not good enough. And I was just like, just act like you're cooking breakfast. Yeah. We all had, you know, our own parking spots. And he would come in with his fancy car and he'd go, I'm worried about my car here. Well, everybody else's car is here.

That is not my little but it shouldn't be. No. But but I had to ask, because you really have worked with so many and when I say of the greats, that means that you know some of them are going to be crazy, crazy crazy, Oh my god. Okay have you have you have you ever gotten fully method or not fully method? But just like kind of like I think it depends on if if it's a dark character or someplace I have to go like really deep, that's

you know that I want to be safe with. I will then zone out, no phone, stay in my trailer, get in the zone, whether it's music or whatever, and then I'll walk out and I'll do it, and I won't want to sort of break character while the directors giving notes or while they're you know, just so that I can stay in the zone. Sure, I think you play it. You played a pretty villainous person in this in the short film that you and Lisa produced, Yes, Lalo's House. Yeah, that was deep. That was based on

a true story. Um, these two little girls that get kidnapped and they wake up and they're at a convent and the convent is being run as a sex trafficking ring. So I lead none who is in jail right now in Haiti. But I mean it's a global issue. It's not just a Haiti issue. But we saw, Yeah, that was that was really great to hear about that, and also great to hear about the acclaim that it received. It was the rector doing so well after it. That's that had to be very gratifying to it was, actually,

but not as gratifying us completing. And I don't think so, honey, Garcelas, do you have a topic in mind? I do, Okay, in that case, this is Garcellas. I don't think Sonny, her time starts now, Okay, I don't think so, honey. Cancel culture. Oh yet, a fucking grip. We are human, we make mistakes, We're gonna do stupid things. Give us, Educate us, don't cancel us. It's stupid. We're human and everybody, please lighten up. Laugh with them, cheer them on, cheer

them on. All they want to do is make you laugh. Stop taking everything so personally, don't hit anybody, don't. I'm so sick of it, the cancel culture. We're allowed to make mistakes. Who is the police, the cancel least. It's insane. I will have it. Give me a time, like from running out of Okay, so stop canceling people. We are all human beings. You've made mistakes, I've made mistakes. We're still gonna continue making mistakes. Let's love one another. Let's

just some grace and you can't take it. Get out of the room, stop following the person you stick of And that's one minute, that's one minute. There's this, there's I mean, at this point, we've reached a place where like there's no nuance when anyone talks about like you know, like wrongdoing, it's it's it's, it's it's it's so it's hard and like, oh my gosh, especially after the oscars, it's like there's no way in for anybody anymore to even like have a shared reality. Or or shared like

sense of like what what even happened? Yeah, it's just I think we all need to lighten up. Not everything is racist, Not everything is um, you know, controversial. Let's

just slap a a little bit. You know, that's fun, you know, I would say recently, um, like when Jane Campion made her comment about Venus and Serena and the Internet really went in on her that day, I kind of felt like, that's and and it's always I always feel nervous saying this because I'm aware that I'm a white man and so I shouldn't speak for necessarily or like way in on how these black women are to

feel about how that was said. But to me, that felt like a bad joke or an attempt at humor by someone someone who wasn't funny trying to make a joke and I was. And I think, you know, because the subjects of the joke were Venus and Serena, people obviously feel very protective over them, and they jumped to

these certain conclusions. And also, you know, if there's a world where they are correct, but also there's a world where they or not, And it almost feels like in that instance, and then and then with everything that happened with will Smith. I keep thinking because in the days that followed the slap, I kept feeling worse and worse about it. And I realized the reason I kept feeling worse and worse about it was the discourse kept kind of you know, I know, and I feel like I

agree with you with Jane Champion. First of all, just think about it. This woman just want a big awards. She got up there. She's not a comedian. She tried to tell a joke and she met Well, no, I think she was just saying, like, we're strong, We're going up against men. I go up against men all the time. The girls don't go up against men as tennis players exactly. They go up against me maybe in business. So it's just everybody is so uptight and nit picking at everything.

And we and and Matt and I can say because we were at the Critics Choice of wards where that happened, all parties are, all parties involved at the after party were twirling. We're twirling. No one was having a blast like we saw, all parties involved truly getting their life at the Netflix after party. And then you go online and everyone was so upset for them and at them, and it was like, wait, have you actually considered how this person actually feels about it, or are we just

assigning them a response, an emotional response, the nerves. Maybe she was nervous. She just want like, yeah, it was just it was just a bad joke. Yeah, I didn't you know what I mean. She's not a comedian. That's not what she does. Right there you go. Well, this was truly such a pleasure. And Garcella, thank you so much for gracing us with your presence on our humble podcast. I'm so happy to I was so happy. You guys are fantastic. And I have a quick flavor before we

wrap it. I'll let you Yes, well, I was just going to mention I would be I would be remiss if I didn't remind everyone at home that loved me as I am. Garcella's This incredible book is out on April twelve. You can preorder it now. I think we're putting the episode out so that we can say we had you first before you start hitting the circuit um. But we I've read it, we loved it. There's lots of you know, you know you really you've been through

so much. And Risen above so much. And you've got a lot of really great um nuggets in here and stuff that I would write down next to Burnet Brown's ship any day. And how Beverly Hills is back on May eleventh, very exciting and much more to come, I guess anything else you want to let people know about? Much more to come, much more to come. Yeah, we end every episode with a song. We end every episode

with a song. What's the song tonight? We always decide in the moment, Oh goodly, you better watch that thing, so listen to that. I love it. You can go copy the album Miseducation of Laarren Hill, released in n and it's in stores now if there are still record stores. Bye bye,