Look mare, Oh, I see you my own look over there is that culture. Yes, goodness, wow, lost culture ding dong last Culturista's calling. This actually is another in the series of recording at homes.
Recording at homes. Wonder what that's about. It's cozy, it's fall, happy, Scorpio season, my sister.
Oh my gosh, we're in Bowen's house and at scorpio season. You kind of have the floor. What do you want to say?
I say, everyone dress in all dark colors. Everyone shoplift a little yes, fuck your boss.
Just kidding. Don't do any of those things, especially not wear dark clothes. Let's break that, break the pattern pattern. I am loving dressing for the fall.
I have not heard you so clearly state your not only distaste for summer, but love of the colder season.
It has been the highlight of my year being here in New York City. Now, like the October flesh and the flannel cure. November sorry, fuck well, I'm sure November will be grade too. Untilor was right about that one. When I got here, Bowen was playing Cruel Summer, contributing to the number one hit.
I mean, I don't have to contribute anymore. I'm doing it for my own enjoyment period.
I mean, congrats to her, by the way, ten number ones, and later we will rank all ten number ones. Look forward to that one later.
Brother, let's talk about my sister's huge, huge ALP musical release. I was gonna say album released, but not yet album incoming. I mean, let's talk about it. I have a song with Muna that is so sligh. You know, they say I can die now. I genuinely if I if I were to be hit by let's say of us, at least let's just say of us, I at least would have probably in my you know, what do they call the post mortem when they write about you and the obituary? Girl, obituary or do you mean like the autopsy?
Okay, well, if they cut open my body and could see my heart, it would be a flow gratitude. Yeah, but in my obituary it probably would read he had a song with Muna and then I I could die now, because I know it will say.
In the first sentence. Yeah, period, he had a song with Muna. Matt Rogers, age thirty three, was struck by an energy efficient city bus.
At least that at least at least you helped. I mean, at least I know that while the energy that was being used to run me over, Yeah, at least it was clean. At least it's not going to be a harmful I don't think you should even joke about this, because you would be distraught if I were to get hit by a bus out there.
Oh my god, No, I can't even think about this. I would be so sad. At least it would be durting the fall, knowe, No, no, yeah, you're right, we can't know. I mean reader Katie's publics as finalists. I'm genuinely so immediately sad now that I'm thinking about this. By the way, I am not feeling my best. And the one has what we think is an ear infection.
Yeah, and I've come to his home and he's wearing all sweats and the lights were damn. He was eating what was it you were having Kung shu fu ramen?
There we go to the famous Chinese ramen that is I think better than some of the Korean and Japanese stuff.
Sorry, looks like you meant to start with that statement. But things were feeling cozy in here, like a sick boy was living here. So I've come over and I of course smoked a little weed and then handed him the joint and then I smoked at myself. So that's how we sisters do. We get each other sick. And you did give me COVID recently, I did, And by you gave me COVID, I mean I got COVID directly after you. It could have been the other way around.
So it was would you rather have been from someone else? No, I'm gonna get covid. I wanted. I want at least contracted from you. But you were doing that thing of apologizing, and I was like, no one should ever apologize at this point, It's out there.
I apologizing that I was around you guys that you knew I didn't know.
You knew well. You tested positive. Look to the stick and you looked devilishly in the mirror at your reflection and said coming to me and Sudie. And you walked in and said, give me a hugs, sister, smiling all the way. As I contracted the virus, the curl virus nineteen nineteen.
You got to do a song with your favorite band. Is that a true statement?
It is? Do you know what I was so nervous and scared to call them up, and Brett was like, Oh, we should FaceTime her right now. We should FaceTime Katie right now. And I was just like I had been through like four drafts of like a notesapp thing to like send them, and I was like, we can't just call and he was like, you know we can. We're
gonna do it right now, huh. And I was like okay, because he's one of those people that's like such a we're gonna do it self starter, right And I'm the kind of person I don't know how you feel, but I'll put her around anxiously before I do anything. Between you and Brett.
Yeah, you guys are a great team because you get to pull the other in a direction of your choice.
Yeah. Brett is Leland, by the way, who produced and co wrote the track with me, and we called she said yes immediately, and then she sent over the track like pretty much the next day, and we heard her voice on it and literally just collapsed in each other's arms. I was like, because this is his second Moon of feature and it was obviously my first, and I was just like, oh my god, it just made the song so much better. I'm so happy, and then she was in the video.
Comedy performance Kick she should act the direct like it was Chris miss right right, she killed it. She killed it, but just that move on here, yeah.
Giving pop star the whole time. It was so good and I loved the discussion and the lead up about what she would wear. And she she texted me and she goes, should I just be like a slutty pop girly version of you? I was like, yeah, yeah, you should, that's exactly you should shop and she did. She looks unbelievable, was so funny. She should act and made the whole thing better and Jared Frieder crushed it. We co directed it. Now talk about this part. How'd it feel to be
in the director's chair? We Love We Love because I wrote up the treatment. So basically my two favorite music videos of all time are Gwen Stefani Cool, which we've talked about. I'd nause him on this podcast, definitely inspired the video, and then also Moon five She Will Be Love with Iconic Star turn by Kelly Preston. Yes, it's like narrative in the way that I didn't know I could do by myself. So brought Jared in and he just like crushes. He's so good at what he does. Jared frieda direct that.
Direct that previous guest on the podcast.
If you're not familiar, He's eatened to come over again tonight. He threatened to I can't have guests, no, only me, so sorry. He did the Jared thing, which was I was like, I'm going over to Bones to record the episode. He goes, okay, I'll come. Uh huh. I was like okay, and then he was like he looked at me, like really, and I was like, no, but he can come another time. I would have loved to have had him if I
wasn't ill. Do you know what I mean? Yes, it's actually very sort of I'm not gonna say chic, but it's apt of you to be sick now in the fall time, because this is when this is when it goes around. Girl. Look at you getting your liquids. He's absolutely sucking down water.
By the way, are you on these Stanley cups?
Babe? I'm a Stanley girl. I've earned money from Stanley. They took me to Sundance. Really, girl, I speak for Stanley. I have a partner. I had no idea girl, get in on this with me. Are you obsessed. First of all, they set me their sixty four ounce cup that is all the water you need in a day. And I'm looking over there and there is clearly whatever is in that huge canister is all you would need in today
is all I would need a day. And you want to know something, I drink more period because you get excited to drink it because you what feel like a Stanley girl? Can I tell you what I wanted to say when you and Sudy were talking about the but and I love that for you who had those huge, huge bottles, the sixty four rounds bottles that had like the markers and the little like stupid little pep talks on the side. What what were you wanted to say to us celest.
Sarah and I got them at the office. Yes, tried it for a week. We were both like, this isn't fun.
Oh why because it's like it feels like a chore.
It feels like a chore aesthetically those bottles are discussed to know, no, and like I don't need to be like patronized, infantilized by this fucking water bottle with its words.
And then when this came mm hmm, I thought Wow, yeah, like this is I'm sorry. I'm all about the style, and this has the style. It will never go out of style. It's classic, it's clean. I know you love that logo. It's a gorgeous logo and I bear with the wings. It's exciting to see you so immediately taken by an enthusiastic about a logo on a fond because that's how I know the product is top notched, because you, my sister, have a discerning eye when it comes to that.
I just want kind of can you head it to me? Can I just look at it and hold it?
Stanley not not sponsored by the way.
Unpaid, unpaid. Look at that Gorgia. Hear her saying, this is sounds of Staley. Oh, this sounds of Stalica. Oh more to come later. That one is gonna become a full bop. Wait what it calls? What this song? Which song? My song? This is the sound of the song. This is the sound of the Staley cup. I think we're gonna find it.
My god, I think you have like a Paul Diamond Graceland ESK album.
And you you are too kind to me. What are you gonna do next? Handy twenty thousand dollars or just mine. This one is too good to me. I literally, I am so happy to see you enjoying the stand life. It makes me so It looks so pathetic and sick right now. You don't look like you could take on the world, but I'm here with you. Describe my posture. I'm like, shoulders, you look like someone in a rom com who gets broken up with you. Look like Diane Lane In like before she starts to like take her
own life by the balls. You know what I mean. Like it's giving Gracie heart Not yet, Gracie Lufrey Bush right, Oh wow?
Not in like I look like I look like a fucking butch FBI agent in the form of Sandra Bulla.
You really do, Honestly, this is giving I'm off due to FBI.
You know what I always loved Miss Congeniality is that scene that you see her go home, like in the beginning, in the first time, where you see her go home.
To a shithole, to a shithole.
She takes out a TV dinner, pokes holes in it with her fork, puts in the microwave, punches a little punching bag, and sleeps in her shitty disgustings.
And her hair is like massy.
I say, filming I'm getting home scenes must be very difficult. I have not had to do that, girl.
I think it would be easy, because you know, all you have to do is channel how tired you are.
But I think it's so hard to like fake familiarity. And this is just what I'm thinking, Like it's like, Okay, I need to spend at least four days on this apartment set, yeah, before we roll, because I need to. I need to make this feel like.
You need to marry in the atmosphere. You're actually making an incredible point about that scene. And I know she is and I had never really thought of this before, but she is not discovering at all. She is totally at home. There is no doubt that that shit box is her apartment. She is at home there. This is why Sandra Bullock is being given the award that she's being given today by us, which is Sandra Bullock, you are the Actress of the Millennium.
You will be awarding and honoring you at next year's Last Cultures Culture Awards.
Be there, Sandra, you are the Actress of the Millennium. And this is a developing story.
The way that woman carries herself. Oh yeah, what an honor to be alive at the same time she is.
Babe. Let me tell you something. One word that doesn't get said enough in this context. Gravity Gravity. We talked about gravity all the time. Things might be falling down, things might be falling down all around us. But I want to hear the word gravity use more in context with this film. Yes, it should be the number one thing when you search gravity in Wikipedia. Should be this film and her performance, not what happens when you drop something from the air.
I want the tiktoks to be not about you know, it's not like a video of some woman and then it says gravity. Be like, yeah, woman goes, that's right, put down for real, for real, real, for real if you know you now. But I think that's one of the funniest memes ever.
Men, not us being on this podcast being like, you know what we're gonna talk about and spend energy on memes and the Stanley Girl. I did not expect this going on. Katies are eating this week. I have I have an earth shattering and I don't think so, honey, you do, yes, stay tuned to think that is still to come, and we're gonna rank the tailor swift number one hits. Wow.
You literally don't know what's coming for you, all of you. I'm looking at my sister. You don't know what's coming.
It's like Sweeps. It's like November Sweep and it's like the trailers leading up to like a big moment. You will never be the same.
I will I miss sweeps and sweeps culture. We wouldn't have gone code black.
If a word for sweeps, there would not be any of the most memorable episodes of any of these shows had it not been for Sweeps. And that is sweeps culture. Sweeps culture was TV culture, and that's rule of culture Umber six. Sweeps culture was TV culture. I think.
I said this recently and it's staying with me. And I hate to talk about work, but like you know, I was doing like final interviews for Dix and then like people were asking me, like, oh my god, what was Travis and Taylor like when they came Yesta No, And my answer was like, you know what, it reminds me that like live TV, lets you do things like that, Yeah, and like really surprise people and like and I said, quite literally, streaming could.
Never Yeah, you know what I mean, literally could never work.
So is it so crazy? I don't even watch Love Is Blind anymore. But the fact that they couldn't get that Live finale right, that Ritian right is so embarrassing. I know it's been like a couple of years at this point, or like a year and a half. That is a huge embarrassment for Netflix. Oh yeah, anyway, not to be.
No, I mean, like I think, and also not for nothing, but you know what would have been a huge moment if we had sweeps culture even like event dies television culture anymore. The Aiden thing on and just like that wouldn't have been really, the Samantha thing, this thing wouldn't have been really And then those would have been moments and we can never get those. No, it's sad, It's really sad.
Yeah, no, we're genuinely like, if I think too hard about it, I'm like, I cry why hard?
First of all, can I say you literally, also, you took a fall, You took a tumble, bo went hurt his shoulder, and the circumstances, the circumstances are not necessarily important, but he took a fall. I took a fall at work. Let's just say that.
Let's just say there was a sketch where there's pandemonium going on in the background and I was told to run away and check Molly Carney in the shoulder, and guess what happened. I spun into a fall.
You ever hear that done into a fall? Like I was a damn fucking pinwheel? You know what? Though, at least like if it had gone really wrong, yeah, I could have gone much worse. The headline would have been Bowen Yang spills into fall in your cell face all for SNL sketch, mostly background role. I don't mind that. No, I know there are no small parts. There are no small parts. You say that every single day you call me like, and you somehow work into every every conversation
we have, every single one. You say you know there's no small part. I don't know. It applies to a lot I I do incorporate into every conversation we have. Listen, was there anything you want to say on this podcast about the after party and the experience of being around Lady Gaga? Because we said it in our ninety two Street and why but we do not say here? Do you want to tell the readers about something that happened momentous in your life.
It was a momentous. I haven't even really processed it. We even talked about this exact scenario a few episodes ago. Yes, this is me meeting the person that I cannot imagine meeting because I don't know how I would behave meeting. And interestingly, right now I know. So we're at the meeting between Dress and Air. We're on the studio floor. It's like two three hundred people who work there, all listening to Lauren talk about the sketches that are making it to air. Mine got cut, no problem. I was
totally fine with it. Actually, I was like, you know what, I don't need to have a little thing in this. This is such a strong show for other people. It's an amazing show overall. Anyway, lor goes and Lady Gaga will be introducing the first song, and then I screamed, in my baggiest moment in my entire time working there.
Lady Gaga. Everyone gassed, giggled, screamed.
Lurne was like, well, she's not the Lady Gaga, She's Lady Gaga.
Was like, I think he was just trying to you know what.
Lauren loves to be a little little zinger.
He was like, she's not do Larry to Gars. Larry Gar like basically say, I'm like, yeah, she's a normal girl. I know.
I think he was trying to like he was telling me, like, you're saying, Bowen, calm down, up, he's Meryl streetened out.
He was saying, he's streeting. Sorry, go ahead, No, that's and then later later I have doubts, no girl later in the night when you met the girl, I thought he was saying, later later in the movie, what else was another line and say the rest of us, friend have to set doubts. Later she comes out, she introduces bad buddy.
She said, wait, are never yorco The reason why she did that is very clever and I can't really get into it. Yeah, but the reason she did that is genius.
Yeah. Yeah.
Anyway, we go to the after party. Matt and I actually saw Titanice once with Bobby Campbell, her amazing, incredible manager, he's so lovely, and his partner Robert, and then Bobby grabs me.
Well, actually Bobby did not grab me. Was Robert who grabs me. Robert's like, you have to meet Stephanie. I said, oh no, I literally was like, no, no response, No true your response.
I was like, oh no, that's okay. I really can't. I wasn't even gawking at her, like she was sitting in my eyeline, like from my table. I was like, I can't look at her. I can't like I can acknowledge that she's here. I just this is really overwhelming. But then Robert dragged me over in the nicest ways.
I will, but then.
I feel like I feel that feeling she was deep in conversation with someone else, and then she says hello. She says it's so nice to meet you, and she says you're so funny. I think she just like knew me as a cast member, but.
Yeah, didn't really. She doesn't know that you stand, so.
She doesn't know that I stand. So I don't think she has ever clocked me being on the show other than that night. She had no idea what I was about. In terms of her, Well.
She lives on Chromatica and she's been she's been Harley Quinn for about a year and a half, so she's been Lee Lee, Sorry Lee. And I immediately launched to the story that I told earlier about Lourene and I said, oh my god, Gaga, my faggiest moment in my time working here, my six years working here, five years whatever. Basically told her that story, and I screamed to her face in a crowded restaurant, and I screamed, Lady Gotta.
She kind of like gasped a little and then like kind of like looked around the restaurant in a way that like wasn't she was being polite, she wasn't making it so conspicuous, but like I definitely felt self conscious, Like I was like, oh no, she giggled through it, was nervously laughing through it. But I was like, oh, I've actually made her uncomfortable.
You know what? Can I say? Yeah, that is good. You made Lady Gaga uncomfortable. This woman turned into other people. Okay, she is Lady Gogga who came down like a spider into the super Bowl. She is Lady Gaga, Patrizia Tria, and she was shook by something that you did. Girl, the way you are one of the most legendary icons. You shook Gaga, shook Gaga. That's true. I didn't think of it that way. The title of that Gaga Shook.
Goga Shook I was Gaga shook in that moment, Gaga shook.
I think it should be you shook Gaga. You shook Gaga.
I didn't physically shake. I did not touch her besides like a hug, and that was it. Yeah, that's good that you made that clear. Well, so I guess the first moment was technically good nights when I hugged her and that.
Oh so that was literally the first moment you hugged her? And then what were you thinking? What was happening?
I was like that experience that what just happened is on a lightning fast conveyor belt.
Let it go, don't grab it, don't think about it. Okay, okay, I don't think that counts. No.
So then at the after party I sit next to her at our table for like fifteen minutes this she's literally fully turned the other way, like talking to someone else.
But I was talking to.
Bobby and Roberts, and gosh, that was it. I was like, there, I apologized her. I was like, I fully embarrassed her earlier. She's like, no, you didn't, So I was like, oh, youkees, that could have gone better.
Listen, the rest is still unwritten. I think it's actually one of the most beautiful lines in a song. I think that there is a great future, and I think that what you have done is you've both shaken and you've shaken her, but humanized yourself. And it's because you showed up honestly that night. Yes, my sister only shows up as herself. She deserves zaccolades. That would never happen
with anyone else in the world. Do you know? We were supposed to be there, and Dave was kicking himself, but we did have a fun time because his two favorite artists are in fact Bad Bunny and Lady Kaka. We were out of Long Island, were a fall Dad. Guys had a gorgeous fall day. We went to go see my parents. We we lost the family dog, Bailey, so that was a rough one for Richie and Trina and you know, put the lighters in the air for Bailey, who was fourteen and a half. She was a queen.
She was a queen and a legend. But reaching out to anyone out there that goes through like the loss of a pet, because it is tough. But we went out to see them. I took house Jared, Dave and Dave and we went out and we had Pumpkin Beers girl and you know I crave him. And then we went to a hunted escape room them to the film it on Long Island. Did you go into the damn sewer? Honey? What happened was we basically wore up in the sewer, and up in the sewer, little boy's jacket, his yellow
jacket was there, covered in blood. It was a hard escape room and there was a live actor no as penny Wise, No no, so as if that wasn't enough terror. And yes we did get out with I think seven man.
It's the spare we got out penny Wise. Yeah, yeah, hon, they were han, I'm not getting solving no puzzle when penny Wise is a foot away from me, one of film's scariest monsters and a front runner for that category next year at the last Culture Races Culture Awards, because penny Wise has been under rewarded at that ceremony and it's time that we take accountability.
Year three were breaking the terrible standards we've set for ourselves. In years one and two.
The standards from before are no longer. The standards. The lost Culture is to Culture Awards are a dusty, stodgy institution, used up, used up. We know it's rigged. It's time we change it. I have a feeling that if a celebrity says they're going to be on the show, they win. What do you mean I think it's fixed. I think that Matt and Bowen fix it. I think that they wait to see if a celebrities like I think that.
Do you think that they would have give Ariana Matter the Coolest Girl Award if Ariana Grande had said that she would show up, what would they have done? Then that's hard fake. That's both of them. I hate them, Matton Bowen, I hate them. They're so annoying faggots. They're such friends. Where did we drift from? Oh? The Fall Day? So then after the Escape Room we went to in Hoppog, Long Island, New York. It was rated thirty ninth out of all haunted attractions in the country, number one in
New York. The Chambers of Hell, Girl, the Chambers of Hell? Who did you see?
Girl?
Beelzebub basically her and a lot of her friends that are no fun to be around. Sweetie the Incubi, the Sucuby for everyone saying that I was skipping right to Christmas I want you to know I went to the Chambers of Hell for you so that I wouldn't skip Sorry, but y'all's favorite holiday. I went into the Chambers of Hell. I'm not even kidding you. I've never experienced a walk through haunted house like this. There was a point oh no, where we had to get on our hands and knees
and crawl under shit. Then I had to climb up in like literally this it's like crawl spaces. The actors are dressed down, they're jumping, they're screaming, they're carrying on, playing for team too much, chasing it's hell, girl. It was the Chambers of Hell, and there were three of them. This was a forty minute experience what we were so shook. I swear to god, you were having a heart attack throughout. Kudos.
Can I bang the standing lay to them? Let's just play the Stanley song for all the girls in the Chambers of El and Hotbog. We were so shook we had to eat. We went to Patricia's on Long Island. It's an Italian restaurant where it's a party all like a damn party. I swear to god. They were serving towers espress on martinis with sparklers on the top, and I said team too much. It was World champions. Yeah, watch out, Well I can think Whitney is more team
too much this season. Oh yeah, Whitney's. But anyways, so then we eat this vicious Italian meal, get them the Long Island Railroad. We are full of cheese. I wake up in the morning and at that point I was not making it to snl. I wasn't taking my full of cheese body to go like, you know, wink at bad Bunny from across the room. Right, you know what I'm saying. Totally, But we wish we could have been there with you, beloved.
It would have been such a fun shared moment. But it was a nice night.
And we missed John on the island to slurping back pumpkin beers. Oh I wish I was.
I have not See The thing about this job is I have not had a nice proper fall get away in so long.
I know that. Remember that year we went to Tarry Oh my god, of course that was revolutionary. And I mean we did the sleepy holl of Haunted House. That was so much fun. That was a little too Here's what I loved about this hunted house. That one was really crowded, and the crowd it was like you could barely move the records. It got backed up. This one they were doing like crowd control wo so that you were really in every room by yourself with your party. And I was like, give it up for production.
Yeah, I get producing literally is thinking about the experience.
MetLife Stadium should talk to them about moving people through a space.
There is no hope there and listen, no y'all listening. If you live in the Tri State area. It's just it's the worthiest investment ever to just get the party bus. Honey, honey, that is the best money you will have ever spent.
Go online, find a bunch of people who are going, especially if it's one of these big artists. You know, there's big fan communities where you'd want to carpool and go in on one of these buses. You can get in and out and.
Then they guess what, they get to stay in the parking lot for the entire show, and then you just go back to where you came from. And then these huge vehicles plow through.
The lines that are leaving zee. It's beautiful, beautiful, big and bold is how you feel when you roll up in the automobile. That's big. That one doesn't work as well as a lot of my other songs. I disagree with something about it in the beginning, and then I don't know, girl, that's how you feel in the automobile. That's how you feel in the automobile. There's something there. Oh yeah, what if we just did a gem sash? What if you and I just wrote a fucking pop banger? Okay, okay,
we'll do it. Well, what's what mood are you in right now?
I'm so awful and you feel awful because you're sick. But I'm here with my friends, so maybe it's a song about that.
I think that's definitely part of the texture. But like, I feel like your emotion right now is like, yeah, you know it's gonna be okay, but you really don't feel good. And what do you think is the tempo? If you could musically express how you feel? Mm hmm, this is wonderful. And now just.
Oh, I have headache, but I'm with my girl, so it's okay.
Another day in this world. Wait, this is good. Okay, I have a head It's sort of like rolling in the deep. Oh my God, I have headache, but I'm with my girl, trying to hate it another day in this world. This is good, this song that is driving through it keeping things are bad, like you know what I mean? Like its helpless. It's a really hopeless song. It is about rising up to do the podcast episode. That's what it's about. It's about I know I'm sick,
but we need an episode this week. Right. I'm not gonna let this stop me from doing my job and get into the day. And that's what makes the song connect to anyone listening. I will not let my circumstances stop me from getting through this day. You will not hold me down. Katie Perry needs to sing this. Katie. It's Katie. We'll see you on your next album. Can my label mate Capital Girl. That'll be easy to get it over to her. Yeah? Is that how it works? I think that it would be a lot easier to
work for someone on the same label. Yeah. Yeah, Troy Sevon my label mate, let's discuss her.
I think this album is so sublime. I mean, it's certainly this era of Troy just well done. A plus, confident, comfortable songwriting, amazing production and swings. Swings the music videos are unforgettable. Yeah, it feels like I'm in the damn early odds.
Yeah. The whole album, I mean, Honey is fantastic.
Honey is so good. I think it's called how to Stay with You? The closing track.
Yeah, what time is it where you are? I mean, like, what time is it where you are? Wow, that has gotten I've contributed to half of those plays. Yeah. I think she's racking up streams and that's for sure.
Still, God, it is so good. Yeah, Oh silly got me started. Yeah, it's all great.
And shout out to Brett Leland, who's like so fucking good.
So good, I mean, excellent album. We I think people have been chomping at the bit for us to talk about this album that we've been hyping for months and months.
Oh Chapel, Yeah, absolutely. We went to go see here at Brooklyn Steel too.
I saw both the night you in Brooklyn and I did not plan to and I have no regrets.
No, I mean that show was fucking fun. And also it's just I called it when I saw her back earlier in the year. Her following it was twice as intense as it was then, and it's gonna keep growing like this girl puts on a fun fucking show and all of the songs translate live in a really powerful way. No kidding.
They hit on Tuesdays with people from work and they get to go to these concerts for free and stuff because they sometimes they handle some of the bookings.
And one girl turns to me and goes, she's special. Yeah. I was like, yes, oh my god, you connected the bookers of SNL to her show. That's made shows. I mean, that's not me like.
On Saturday Live, like t went on an SNL or when when like I'm gonna say, like Marin Morris, when a SNL. It's like I love when SNL has like a discovery oh.
Back in the day, Like you could argue, we've discussed it on this pod, but like you could argue, Adele became Adele because of her Saturday Night Live perform when she did Chasing Pavements the same night. I believe that it was like the second time Tina fe was doing Sarah Pale.
It was Josh Brolin and yeah, right, it was when Sarah Palin herself showed up.
Oh that one, right, right, right, right right.
And Adele has a funny story where she sees Sarah Palin in the hall and she goes.
Tana, Yeah, like she thought that is you're saying that? Yeah, Like, remember she won Best at the Grammys and that was Grammy voting time, I think, and like it was literally like that election year where everyone's eyes were turned to and then I remember, like she even says that she's like now and she she kind of says like that in that same exact voice I just did. That is an amazing impression. The fact that I lost control of
my adele. I'm worthless. I should walk into the street and you think it's a requirement that you have in adele impression. It's the easiest accent to do in the world, and I'm world famous for it. You know what Cockney break it down?
Well, it's like, you know how when you ask British people to do an American accent, or when you see a British person like an actor.
Yea, and they go hi, y'all, hey, y'all, they go into like the most regionally chaotic Southern accent. You guys are so fucking chaotic. O We're in the UK, dude.
I feel like the equivalent for us is doing Coffney like that you know what I mean.
I want one hundred percent I know what you mean. So it's like it's a very delicate accent to nail. So I'm sorry to Adele, and I'm sorry to myself for being so hard on myself about my adel and my therapist to be proud of me for saying apologizing to myself.
Did she say recently, just another way to be cruel to yourself? Said, I love this, by the way I talk about it.
Yeah, totally. I mean I was beating up on myself about I think I was nervous about the music coming up, of course, and I was nervous about the music videos, which,
by the way, I'm so thrilled. Wasn't happy to do it, and everything has been incredible, but I stress out and I beat myself up, and she was just listening to me, and she just takes a beat, and my therapist just goes another way for you to be cruel to yourself, And I was like, oh, And then I actually laughed because I was like, when you put it like that, it makes it sound almost like when it's so easily clocked by someone else, You're like, now it just feels like, well, now,
that you'm boring and annoying for me to be like, it's beyond self awareness and it's like someone calling your therapist, calling you in and so that now you know, it's like in this external awareness that other people can clock it. She just texted me your therapist. Yes, Oh my god, do we have a psychic connection? Oh? I asked for an emergency session this week and she just I said, she said nothing yet, Oh no, are you? Are you okay?
Everything's fine? I think okay. Just to be totally real, like, there was more attached to that song I just released than just like it's a funny song, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, I wrote that like sort of to deal with what I was going through earlier in the year. So I had a degree of anxiety about it coming out, and when it came out and it just brought things up. So I reached out to the old therapist. It was the first time I ever like did.
I think probably with you with Fire Island, you may have felt this way, but like it's the first time you feel like you give a little part of yourself into a thing, because usually we just usually do like sketches and characters and silly songs and stuff, and then all of a sudden you actually show up in something and it's like it's different, it's very strange.
Yeah, And I can't imagine what this feels like, because would you say, this is the first thing you've put out that has a significant degree of like, oh, this is funny, yes, but like very me very diaristic, very.
Like it's the first thing I've successfully wrote about my own pain. Oh, it's like and that that actually feels like so cool, really cool, because I remember, like I don't know how you feel. But sometimes I feel like the kind of writer that feels lame because I never can really put on paper what I'm going through emotionally. I can be funny and I can like explore like comedic scenarios, but I've just never been good at like using, for lack of better term, like taking my broken heart
and making it into art like that. It's not a thing for me. It's I usually create from joy. And I think when you are sad that makes it even more frustrating because you're like, why do I feel all these big fucking emotions and I can't do anything with them now? I feel pathetic. And then I'd bet a shit out of myself because it feels like, yeah, sure, like comedy is one thing, but then actually saying how
I feel. It's sometimes harder to funnel that into the comedy without feeling you're trying too hard or you know, getting in your own way.
You know, but you feel some obligation to be like in that moment, to be like creative, generative, whatever when you're feeling sad.
Yeah, and you can't, and that's frustrated you can't. So this was the first time I ever successfully ended up with something where I was like, I believe that says something about what I went through. And also I stand by comedically and as a song well comedic.
The comedy of it is so inseparable from the emotion of it, which is like, Wow, I felt so many things with you, the person you're saying to in the song, but I don't really know that much about you, which is such I'm gonna go as far as to say that like it's a universal feeling and Yeh've all had those people.
Yeah, it's about that thing that feels so big but occupies such a moment, you know what I mean, And then all of a sudden time does its thing where you like literally start to forget, and there is something funny about that, like like when a star explodes, like a big bang of emotion and then everything just starts to sort of settle, and then you're like, oh, wow, I went through that, and I can't really say much specifically about it because time just starts to do that
thing that they say is gonna make things better. But then there's also something sad about it too, because you're like, oh man, the specificity of it is going away. That's also part of the heartbreak. So I guess that's like the best distillation of how I'm feeling. How I feel about the whole thing is that, Like it's worthy of a song, but I've truly I can't say much specifically
about it. Yeah, but that thing makes the song right, And that's really incredible that you took it a meta layer above that and then you're like, this is what the song that's about. It's excellent. It feels good to create something that you think like says something about how you feel. You know what I mean? Like that is girl, when we get our.
Pens to paper, you know what, I can't quite tell where I'm at in terms of talking about my own emotions. I will say when I'm in therapy and I I go off, I'm like, well, I should be writing every word of this time because I'm writing a fucking I'm writing like Jerry Maguire the movie too.
You know what I mean. You should be journaling. I should be journal my journaling. It helps well.
I go back to meet some of my entries from like last year, and I'm like, today was fine, went to the gym, had a smoothie.
I'm like, this is so boding. Then maybe there's something there and make fun of yourself like that. I mean, honestly, that's kind of what ultimately everything you want song is is like I literally sat down to like do this earnest exercise of like what do I wish him for Christmas? This year? I couldn't remember shit, and I was like, Okay, well, I'm gonna drag myself. Wow, you know what I mean,
Like there's something. I think. It's just like you literally just write those things down, not so that like it can be something in the moment, but so that you can have a reaction to it later. That's I think something about writing I didn't realize or remember, but is something. Writing is so hard. It's hard, Yeah, very difficult, especially when you train yourself to think in a short form again and again and again.
I would imagine, Well, I am always like so paralyzed whenever the season's off at SNL. I'm like, I think my creative process is a writing process at least is like purely sight specific.
Like you're just you just feel like it's now when you think writing, you think that type of specific.
Which I really need to start like untangling, because it's like I can't be locked into this. I cannot have the paralysis around this, around anything else because I'm always used to this one way of posturing myself. But I'm excited to work on longer form things in the future woo.
But also LOLBB, I'm like, you know what you should do in journal? Like sorry, but as if I journal, Yeah, I have journal, That's all I'm saying.
I hit a plateau with it, like over the summer. I was like, this isn't really helping me.
Mm hmm. So I have been off of that ah and it's been fine. Well, you're spinning yourself out. It just felt like I made.
It feel like such a chore because it was on like my checklist of things to do every day.
M hmm.
And I always came with such a weird attitude around. I was like, this is compulsory, like I don't really want to do this. Instead that kind of like it's just waste of time.
Time. Can I ask you a question? Were you typing it? Typing it? You have to write it and then it will feel so much easier and actually more fun. And when you feel like you have to sit down and type something, I think there's this message you sent to yourself, which is it has to be a thing and long.
Right now. I never think I can just like jot something down typing, But when I write, I can write just like a couple sentences down and then put it down and then news for you when you add to that later you are writing something totally or you're just collecting whatever it is. But like your process, I think, take it out of the computer, girl, Where do you think you go to the damn notebook with a pen? Girl? You want to do? I don't think so, honey, And
you know it is time. I'm so sorry. I'm feeling really sick. The first thing we have to do before we do that, because we promised is rank Taylor Swift's top ten number ones, and I'm going to do it really quickly so you don't have to because you're going to agree with me when I say it. Number one is all too well ten minute version. Number two is plank Space. Number three is cruel Summer. Number four is Willow. Number five is look what you made me do. Number
six you've already done. This is we are never ever getting back together. Number seven is you think that's worse than Look what you made me do? Oh after the movie? You rank it about that? Yeah? Sorry? Number seven is stop you're losing me. That's not me saying that one, but I'm losing What it is, it's we should know that, go shake it off, Shake it off. Then it's bad Blood. Then it's Cardigan. That's only nine. I'm forgetting one, but
that's okay. I think you got all of them. No I didn't because I only had nine fingers raised anti hero anti hero? Okay, then put anti hero in between look what you made me do? And you're never getting back together and we're never ever going that low. I think that. I think that's one of her most incredible songs. It's better than all too well ten and version blank Space, Cruel Summer and then what did you do between Cruel Summer and Willow? But that's personal to me. Oh, I
do love Willow. Willow is that girl. And when she came out with those orbs and said, wait for this signal, n O me you after dark, I'm gonna put that below will I'm gonna put anty here below Willow better than Look what do you mean me do? Is that the ranking? You have seen the Aerostor movie. I know you have, and you still want to do that. You still won't Look what you made me do to be that loud after you saw the Aerostar movie and you saw the slagage and the carnage pop carnage.
I think that's an amazing production moment in the concert.
I respect your sister, sister, And do you understand what I'm saying I do now? Honest? Are we ranking them by song quality? Girl? Yes? And I understand now I think I do.
I admire Look what Jimimi do because it is such a swing and she was like, bucket, this is my first single. It's I'm basically doing right, said Fred unto Sexy, who fucking cares? I think that's actually so so amazing.
It's literally so amazing.
Like I'm one of the best songwriters. I'm the best songwriter my generation. I'm putting this fucking crazy ass song out there.
Yeah, for my like No Press Vengeance album, Don't Talk to Me album, Taylor, Way to Go, Way to Go. This is I don't think so Honey. It's where we take one minute to rants rail and more against something in Colaster that we absolutely want to drag, discredit and more. I have something that is actually based on my evening at Patrizia's. It references something that I discussed earlier, and I think this one's going to be tough, especially for the katies. But I have to say this because I
feel it. Oh oh, this is Matt Ronders. I don't think so Honey as ten starts now, I don't think so Honey Espressomarzini's. I'm sorry. I think that the moment burnt bright. Yeah, but I think that moment has passed. I think that it's now gotten out of control because I don't think so Honey, an espresso martini before your meal unless that meal is gonna be like also some
kind of dessert. You are absolutely ruining your palette. I don't think so, honey, that you can really enjoy, like, for example, at an Italian place like chicken parmesan after an espresso martini. I'm sorry, I don't think so, honey. I want to throw up when I think about that combination. And you will see these girls sucking down espresso martinis with meals and ruining their dinners. Meanwhile, post dinner. Fine, but as a cultural moment, we've moved on from just
post dinner drinks. And also, you can't use it in the place of a red Bull anymore. I don't think so, honey, because culturally now we're confused. We've let espresso martini go too far. It's time to go back to Redville. And if you're this type of girl, cocaine, I don't think so amazing now.
I want to say that, don't do cocaine. Don't do cocaine like an espresso. This peaked an amazing but it is no crashing.
I don't really know what's set.
You're saying that we as a culture have moved on from post dinner drinks.
No, I'm saying we as a culture can't handle espressal martini. This is why we can't have nice things because they've moved too far beyond being a post dinner drink to like give us a second win, like now culturally, like I see them at all hours of the day. And also there's this crazy thing happening and Jessel, I love you girl. But earlier in the season of Rony, my Girl, My Diva, Jessel tank, I am a tank top. She ordered a espresso martini with tequila. Oh, I do remember that.
That was when I didn't really wasn't a big fan of hers anyway.
And now I look back and I'm like, go off, queen with your weird ass cocktail. But no, no, no, no, no, no, we can't be trusted with this anymore. We can't. Did you watch the Me Union last name? I have to tell you I didn't, but I will. But I heard that it was boring, and that's making it hard to like. It's only in two parts. It's only in two parts, and the first part, you would say, was kind of boring.
Pretty boring, although there are interesting dynamics happening where you can clearly see it's so obvious that Si and Aaron have come into that union being like a week came off really bad. Yeah, but then Sigh of course is fucking insufferable and does this thing where she's like, I'm taking full accountability and I'm sorry Brandon for what I said to you, and I'm sorry Jessel for what I said.
Blah blah blah, I'm sorry. I'm taking full accountability. And then the within her next breath is like, but also like I was right, and your husband's cheating on you and blah blah blah, no one suffered more than me all this shit. Aaron does the same thing. She has a tearful moment out of nowhere about being the older sister, the eldest sister. Fucking Jenna starts sobbing ten minutes and it was a weird one.
But I heard Uba was kind of acting. Uba was misunderstanding things. I did not understand what.
But to bring to that scenario was like totally derailing a conversation that Andy was starting and where like everyone would be like, what are you talking about? Yeah, it was not great, and then it ends with sign Jessel and then like Jessel came off great, Andessel is a great moment where.
Yeah, she looks good next to Andy, he looks.
Good next to Andy, but then sigh in one of her like you know moments. Her her words silence was like, I apologize. I should have never commented on your marriage. I don't think you and your husband have a connection, but I should never comment on someone's ma And the JUSTL was like, you just did.
Yeah, unbelievable.
And but the way Jessell does it is like, well you're fucking stupid.
It was great. I think Justll clear winner, I shouldn't have said anything. I apologize for saying so. I don't. I don't think you and your husband have a connection, but I'm sorry. I shouldn't have said anything. But I don't think you and your husband have a connection. But I shouldn't be commenting on your marriage. Well you just did. Can I ask? What do you think it is about Sy that stops her from being a villain we love and is making her more of a villain that we're irritated? Not funny?
She actually Hunter Harris is actually talking about this in her substack. Like Brandon and Jenna have style, Cy has brands. Yes, I doesn't really. I don't think she like knows how to dress herself.
I will say I think she always looks amazing, But you're right, it might be for the reasons you're saying, because I think that there's a lack of like individuality in what she brings.
And well, she was harping on the same things all season. The food, Yeah, her mother, which is of course the tragic thing, but like constantly bringing it up as a way to like put down other people, so bizarre.
I wonder if she feels really embarrassed about the food thing. I'm sure because it's really it got really diring.
Well, you can tell that she is someone who embarrassment is adjoined to anger, Like when she like in the finale and she.
Was like lash out, like she lashes out when.
She when she's been caught in something, she fucking explodes, And you're like, yikes, that is not something that anyone likes to see on TV from any gender, you know what I mean. I don't think it's like a oh or she's a woman, she's not a lot to be angry. She's a woman of color. I think it literally is something that like that's not fun on reality television.
I think it just needs to feel like justified and it's just she got so here's my thing. I literally I don't even dislike her. I think they're all figuring out. I don't know why I have like a compassion for this cast. Maybe it's because I'm doing their Bravo Con panel and I'm really trying to because I'm no, I think what it is it's not even about fair is. I'm just really trying to see the best in all
of them. That's because I'm trying not to make a decision about one of them before I like go into this thing where I have to like, you know, talk with all of them, et cetera. But I will say it is tough with side because it's that thing of like her behavior just isn't very grounded. Yeah, and I just you know, it could be the editing, but like it's just you can't really fake it. That's such a rooky move.
Yeah, for her, It's both sign Aaron being on, like the Bravo Instagram commenting being like stay tuned for the beginning and the editing did as dirty blah blah blah, and then like people dragging them in the Yeah, I had to get in there and be like, girl, you're not cut out for this. I really don't think Aaron is cut out for reality television.
She seems very sensitive in a way where it's like it's fine, it's not like a yeah, it's just sensitive. If you're able to dish it out, you have to be able to take it. And it seems like taking it for her means like full meltdown in a way where it's like, Okay, cute. We can watch that, for sure,
we can adjust to that. I just it's not clear at the end of it, like and I think their first season and second season, for better or worse are going to be very different because these women now have been in the machine and the cooker, which is why I don't think we should get rid of any of them. I think I'm gonna double down on this. We keep them all and bring in Leah. I think that is the best move, if Lee even wants to do it right.
But start the campaign anyway. Espresso Martini's I'm just noticing it's excess, That's all I'm saying. Bowen, do you haven't? I don't think so any topic, Yes you do. You said it was going to be a barn burner, and this is the moment we've all been waiting for. Bowen Yang your I don't think so honey, time starts now. I don't think so, honey. The word earnestness. Why aren't you earnesty? Why aren't you earnesty? The English language is a lie, y'all. We are breaking the lang. I just
broke the language. Earnesty is not a word, but it should be right.
It's not honestness, it's honesty, and honesty is the word that is the most important, not earnest ness, and therefore honesty should set the model for earnesty. We need to write legislation to make earnesty a word in America at least. I don't want to speak for other countries, for other countries that speak English, but in America it should be earnesty. That is something that we can all get behind. It's a bipartisan effort.
That will pass fifty Let contrarian out there and being fucking oh it's earnestness, blah blah blah.
No, I don't want to hear from you. You should not participate in our democracy.
You should only vote if you think the words should be earnesty, because otherwise the English language is a fucking grift. And that's one minute. I have to say. There's another example of this, which is it's not jealousness. It's not just jealousy that you add a y to the word honesty. Jealousy, Earnesty, it's not irons, it's irony. It's irony. I don't like on any word. No, oh, you just watching people bowen. Just literally physically, you were like Yoda at the end
of I think it's what he's done. He does, and I think empires are spelled yeah, yeah, no, no, no, he does Jedi. Yeah, you literally just did that his final breath.
I was gonna say, I looked like I look like anytime rogue would like touch someone.
You need a moment of like coming back together, because you spent all your energy on that one. I agree with you, sister, Earnesty down.
Earnesty, Earnestness don't sound right, That's all I'm saying.
Ness offends you. Ness is so gross. Get out of here, nessy, get out of here. Fucking well. This has been I think a very healing episode. Your energy seems much lighter and better now than when I came in and I thought you were dead man walking sister with the lights start low. I'm gonna get better. I guess we should end every episode with a song. Soon you good, better, Soon you get better, You're get better, m H, could
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