"You GLOW Girl!" (w/ Sunita Mani)

it was dripping everywhere. Oh my god. So can I tell you, I'm nervous about what I might say because now you know, after listening to last week's episode, I broke the story of the death of you Hefner and guess what, he's alive. It was not true. It was patently false. And um, we're so sorry that even we are not immune to fake news. I am, but Matt is not right. No, I'm actually I'm, of course, as the listeners know, the worse of the two of us.

So that is not that that's up for debate. Rule number one D six of culture is better better Now I can't say that. Well, okay, tell us in the comments, who's better? All right? Tell us in the comments tweeted us who's better? But you know who's better than both of us, our guests. Let's go through the credits. Fucking credits, down, down, boots. You seen her on Mr Robot, you seen her on Stars Party, and you're currently seeing her right now in the hit Netflix show Glow. Well, I assume it's hit.

You know Netflix famously, they don't release the number. They don't release the numbers. They keep it very close to the vest, honey, indeed, but the buzz is definitely definitely buzz. And then of the buzz breakout stars and stars that used to be stars now seeing them in a new light, defining them. Sure, I think amazing and I'm gagging over a lot of a lot of the stars. And we'll discuss it. We'll discuss And she's part of the legendary Cocoon Central Dance team. She may have an amazing film

called Snowy Bang Bongs that is coming very soon. It played a BAM for a couple of nights. Umm, bing my bond to that, Bing my Bond. Guys, please welcome, Yes, peaked, No, I'll tell you, I'll tell you when we peaked was when we who did the lottery I don't think so honey live and then you won and we were so gagged when it was you, our fate, our fate and you I remember you screening and it's it's it's on, It's on the arm. But goes oh ship, she shoots up.

We're like, it's Sunita and then she does her I don't think so honey about white people appropriating yogau so taking yoga from my people. Yes, I was really I can't believe I had one. Yeah, oh my god, inspired by your sick show. It was an incredible show, so amped. The crowd was like it was soul that you'll be

on and I cannot wait. Also, I like, I told this to Boone on our Disney trip, but I just like, I was so excited and I just rushed the stage and was like, okay, I didn't like give enough time for people to realize that I donated to charity. Yeah, that is the takeaway how I won tickets. It was a raffle for trans Lifeline. Wonderful organization donated and that is the most important part of all ten raffle tickets. I was ten. Yeah, I was gonna say, I was

gonna that's a lot of money. That a lot of money. That's the drink and a half sacrificed. There was no question. Oh my god. So you at tend tickets floating around in there and you win the lottery. It's probably why you will number culture. You got to put a lot of tickets to win the raffle. That's that's true. That's a true rule. Raffle culture, raffle culture. Need to how are you doing? I'm good, I am so tann Just for the listeners at home to visualize and get that.

And another important visual partis you need his presentation today is its bow and her hair. It is timeless, it's for it's for you now. I accept it and I receive it. But I would say, I'm going to say it's mostly for you. And we also when you came in, you commented on my mustache, and then I commented on the bow. And then we said, you know what it's for now? And I said, you know what rule number what it's? What is it seventy we'll number seventy four

of culture. Sometimes things are for now, they're just for now, just for now. You know what I'm what it feels like even though they're you know, we're real people and their accessories from our lives. It's like when you have those things in a photo booth, like the sunglass. Yes, we're like making the props real, the photo booth of the world to see. Yes, you know, you're all born naked and the rest is drag. And sometimes people live their life without a bow and then you put the

bow right on. Also, it's human out there. But your hair looks unreal. What's going on? It loves the moisture. It's a sponge, just sponge, but you wear it looks so good. I'm about to get a cut. I try to get it cut before this podcast. I wanted to look so good. I get my bangs. And also, yes you had bangs. Yeah, they grow so fast you just putching the macor there have they just always this conveniently placed buck my long bang. Okay, okay, wait, you are

honestly gonna get a function, little function. You're gonna get a cut. Yeah, I'm going with a shag look that I had and earlier in the year. So you're getting a lot of it cut off. Yeah, lots of layers. It's so heavy. I get that I love the leg I think you, I think you will look timeless sent it to me locks for love. Um, because we were a charity girl. I love charity. I would just like that to be clear. Yes, yes, yeah, of course, let's say that for the record, everyone here looks charity. Okay,

I love charity. Joe is rolling his eyes currently, j Producer, Joe, don't roll your eyes at charity. It's very important. Hang on to that water bottle of two hands, your motherfucker. How about that? I just stepped in a goddamn podo. Um. I just want to really quickly recap stunt in my trip to Disney World in June in front of me, even to be very quick. So, Matt, you were very much a part of it, were present, absolutely presently. It

was fucking texting them too much. Um. Sunita and I, along with Michael Hardney and Eric Gerson, got to experience the newly open section of Animal Kingdom at Disney World, at Pandora, the World of Tomorrow, World of I'm So Sorry, the World of Do I Deserve to Go? Did I to Go? It was so fun. We got to do Avatar Ride of Passage and um, we got to do the river ride, which was underwhelming. It was, but what we gauged for what I think is unequivably the best

ride covert yest edition Everest that was twice. That was the only one we wrote twice. That was the only one for the price. But it was the right one. It was the right one. Yeah, I'm just the whole thing. I didn't we We got there at what like seven for an eight am opening, like for the doors to open. Ye, you were there. The whole thing was just like I can't believe we're doing that. Yeah, it was kind of weird.

It was like a sojourn thing where all these people were there for the same reason and it felt weird. And it was to go to see Pandora. It was bizarre. It was to be amongst the clouds, yes, And it was like you wanted to appreciate the detail and the massive like floating mountain, just all this precious work. But you were just like running and you're like, get out of my way bridge. Oh, this bridge is slowing me down. Like I'm hungry. It's like, get the funk out of

my way. It's so funny because when you go to Disney World and you're like you're like us, like we were literally so annoyed with all the children, and it's like I don't ever forget it's for that, for that, like you've had this moment several times in your life and you're but you're just pissed at the kids being loud and the magic kingdom. Like that's my take on it. I'm like, get the kids out of here. But then you just at a certain point you tune them out. Anyway.

I was just very glad to have shared that. O my god, Yeah, it was insane. The one moment that we were separated was when you had to wait in line for the rite of passage, but it was a flight of passage. I'm sorry, right right, So I just was gagged that that was like the turn of phrase, the pun, right, yeah, right of passage, flight of passage,

wait in line for like three hours. No, seriously, I was fending off like an older Argentinian man, just like pretending to like point at things ahead of me and be like, oh I wonder what that is and get in front of me. I was onto him. I had to wait for an hour in this line, and he kept like huh, what's that and saying like interesting, like as if he was like fooling me and everyone and he just kept like bumping my shoulder, and which caused me to be really annoying to the people in front

of me. Yeah, because you're like on their ass, like I'm holding my spot at all the costs. It was. It was like embarrassed. I couldn't believe his behavior. And honestly, that is so anxiety inducing. Yes that it is contagious. Then you become that crazy person that like when someone stops in the line to look at something and there's like a space between like where they should be moving, You're like, you got to move. We have to keep the airports behavior it is, you know what? Okay, so

very much. So we as New Yorkers with flight of past, Hello, Delta, Delta, Delta, and culture was on the line like this is an inconvenience, and Coulder took pictures of everybody. No, h really quickly. I just want to say, we as New Yorkers when we go to Disney World, I think we have a good sense of how to navigate crowds, and like we threw people. But imagine, imagine, So this is Shane Ley painting a picture for Shanghai Disney when I went in November. Imagine, Um,

so China is basically a nation of New Yorkers. Just no, it just like not caring about crowds, tunnel visioning through the day in a Disney world, the tricks you would not believe. Um, a lot. This is what we saw a lot. My sister and I. UM, two people saying hi, sorry, excuse me, pushing through us in the line saying just sardines and being like, hi, sorry, um, we have we have relatives waiting ahead of us, please let us through. But it would happen, happened, happened, happened all the time,

and then and then we caught onto it. And then we're like, wow, we've been We've been fooled. You didn't do it yourself. Have principle, we have class. You don't lose that in New York. You know your principles. Absolutely not. You drop a bugle on the train platform saying you pick it up and you eat it. Do you eat a lot of bugles on the train platform? No, It's just like the last snack that I was like talking about. I haven't had bugles in so long. I love bugle.

Describe a bugle. It's a gorgeous cone of corn. It's corn. It's a corn cone. It's like it was like a toy because you could put them on your fingers, them on your fingertips, and they were like veils. And that was maybe my first queer experience with food was pretending to be a queen in my in my bugles nails and being like, yes, fishy, would you say that bugles? Are they present ultimately a queer narrative? Bugles ultimately tell a queer narrative. Um fingers, fingers, um, uh, horrible texture

and um little mommy flavors, a little mommy that's it. Okay, oh my god son. We're gonna ask you what we ask all of our guests, which is what was the culture that made you think culture was for me? So this could be growing up like the neighborhoods you grew up in, or things that were passed down from your family. Piece of media that really turns you around, you know, really really snaped into culture and staid, Okay, I am a cultural being after all. Yes, this is so, it's

a good question question. I feel like as a multicultural person, it's such a fragmented identity. I want to give you like a Pinterest board visual. I'm just gonna say this thing. I love an amalgamation, like that movie I Love Trouble. Oh my god, was Julia Roberts. I like thought I could be a reporter. I like my my idea of culture was like journalism via that movie, my God, and like I wanted to be a magazine writer or like actual writer, like the newspaper. But it gets to run

around and get in trouble. Yes, and like it's really catty and that's her. Yes. Yes, And did you know that they hated each other, like they actually hated each other. Yeah, well apparently they just didn't mix as actors. And apparently all the shots where they're talking to each other almost entirely is standing standing. Yeah, we've got ourselves like an arg Pinjabi Julia. Yes, Wow, that is so rough. I hope that doesn't like change the movie for you. I

love it even more. It's like she's even more independent. What Kraft. She just got her shots just acting next to a standard rule number I think nine of culture. Get your shots. I'm sorry, I'm as an actress. Get your shot done, get the vernacular right right now, layoff shots cage. You know, who knows what the right word is at any given time? Not me. Someone's got to know, but no one does. Can't hear him, can't It's too soft.

I love this, Okay. So that's the first piece of the of the of the puzzle is I love Trouble with Nick Nulty and Julia Robs. Like loved this one Chipmunks movie, The Chipmunk's Adventure with like the hotter balloon rides. That was like my way out. That was small town Dixon, Tennessee. I was like, I'm going to see the world through this movie. It's like a musical chipmunk in a hot air balloon, like smuggling diamonds. It was so dangerous from Tennessee. Yeah,

come on the Southern girl. Just from the just from the sound. Those are the cultures I'm talking about, the baptism and in South Indian. But that's but that that is an intersection, honey, And that's that. Yeah. And then Sunni and I have had many conversations in the backs of cars and balls and waiting rooms in in a lot of places we audition. We're working now, I mean, but whenever, whenever, sun it is in a room. You're like, oh, okay, it's legit. Here, here we go the products for real,

the products for real. What's like it's going to go, It's gonna go. This is gonna it's gonna go. Like when you're in the room and you see to walk in, You're like, this is going to go. This this, this pilot is going to go. Yeah. Um, what's like, what's is there like a Southern specific thing? I mean that's

such a broad question. Now that's for you. That's like, oh, like lightning bulb, Like cool, this is like what is what I'm going to connect to growing up in the South, Probably passive aggressiveness or like really an indirect quality that's like so delusional, like you you think you're saying what you mean because it's so rained to like avoid confrontation that you're like you're you are like literally singing a song with your voice to just like get out of

a situation. You're like, okay, well yeah, well you know, and then we'll see about that, and like you can't you can't like confront anything. It's how I feel that's paired with like my family's miscommunication. No wonder. I'm a dancer, yes, physically yes, my nonverbal skills are high, and consequently my verbal ones are low. Truly, I mean, oh, that's I feel like do do certain people like usually like put in like just label that at is what that is.

It's like, oh, to avoid confrontation, will just like not be not be completely genuine with our words. I feel like that's I feel like you really you really nailed something there. It's like, yeah, it's like an etiquette or something that's still a little old fashioned, or it's kind of like sweet in some ways, except that it's often to hide like awful things like racism or Yeah, but man, I guess I guess it's you from a small town. You're like seeing the same people all the time. You

just want to be in good graces. And maybe there is something about like church where you have to like you're under a set of like principles and you don't want to I don't know, be be ann outside a pagan a pagan? What church is church like part of your life? In Tennessee, I would pretend I would tell people I went to church just to avoid talking about Hinduism because I went to temple. But I wouldn't call it.

I wouldn't like, tell anyone I went to town, I go to church on Sundays where and I would like maybe literally run away across town. Oh well, you know it's a church. And they were like, I we distracted them with my triple threat talent. Yeah, of course what you would do when that situation is break into a split. And they were like, oh my god, setting the girl to New York, get around of Tennessee. There is shipper off, hot air balloon, hot air balloon. I think I have

so many conversations. Maybe this is just more common than I think it is, but like I've had so many conversations with people where it's like, oh yeah, like religion was just a social survival thing where it was like I only ever said I only ever went to my youth group because because people I wanted to hang out with went to their own youth groups, and I wanted

to be like, yeah, let my youth group. We learned this and this and that, and like what a shitty thing for me to like I have put myself through. And like I don't know if but that's yeah, I mean it's it's it's different. But also I want to say this, I feel like talent is owned. I feel like the religious Like I feel like religions take ownership of talent and it's not theirs, and we need to take the concept of talent back from religions. Am I making any sense? And needed? So? Where I grew up was.

I grew up in Denver, Colorado. It's Mormon adjacent place. A lot of Mormons in my high school and all the musical theater leads would coincidentally be Mormon because the parents who would like pay and fund the drama club were these super religious Mormon people, and like they would host all the cast parties and all the events. And for me growing up, it was like, well, you can only be talented if you're religious. I hear you. It's like that, where did you start? That kind of there

you go? That kind of never, like there's never a pagan talent. I want a pagan talent, an atheistic talent. Writing sitting alone in the room, she thought I was going to be a writer. I thought I had talent as a writer journalist because of that, Like it was like, well, I can't express myself to anyone else. I'll just stay in my room write a story about a wizard. And of course you wrote Harry Potter, and I said on

the shelf. And then of course you know a woman by the name of Joe rowling Um wrote that she stole my future. She really did. When when you you got out of there, you hitched the ride on the Hunter balloon and got out of there, did you come right to New York? No? I went to Emerson College in Boston. Okay, Boston Cultural, Yeah, come on, yeah, we went to college need it. But it was great now Emerson. Yeah, this is funny because I applied to Emerson as well.

And you know what everyone was telling me, which I thought was so strange. Everyone was like, you know, Emerson a lot of weirdos, but where does go here? They're very artistic, you know, it's very artistic. And that was like, I guess, like the suburban mentality is like, oh, you know the arts school with the freaks are but you know, like but like and even when you got there, there

was this thing of like, yeah, right, like outcasts. Um. But that was what I remember about Emerson was they were very like and it was that was a selling point. And also Jay Leno went here. Yes, it's such a weird, mainstream place with a bunch of like weirdos who are interested in like counterculture perhaps, but they're just sold by the fact that it's like, well, if I can't make my artistic statement, I'll at least in turn on the

Daily Show. It's like a maybe like a it's a it's a very privileged place to where you can just like I have ideas and don't have to worry about what that means, like the consequences of that. But it was like the height of the postal service. When I got there, it was it was like sister. It was just like culture meeting hipsters and Jews, and I was like, where am I what this place? I didn't know any Jewish people at all, and it was like, oh cool,

I think we're all the same. I think it's like we're all we're all the same student, which is kind of like you you were an outsider or something. Yeah, and then you I did find like my best closest friends, like my soulmates from college that I still you know, Italian Eleanor and a lot of friends. So you guys all went to Emerson. Yeah, we started out at Emerson is cocoon and Emersonian creation. Not really, it's like a

new York based thing. After like we kind of went out and then came back together, went out in the world and came back together. Italian I graduated from Emerson, but Eleanor transferred to Hunter College. So she was like finishing her degree and she said, you have to come to New York. I'll do anything for you. I was like,

that was it. I was like, I just want to get there and then you straight it moved from Emerson to New York, or from Boston to New York and went home for like a month or something something like that. I went home. You took the month, took the month. I took the month and really like considered my options.

You have to take the moment and then the hot Yeah, and you got on the hotter balloon, which of course it crashed as there want to do um okay, So can you talk about the beginnings of Cocoon Central Dance Team, because you guys like like saying iconic and legendary dance com It's my true passion. It's kind of crazy, how

like organic. It all happened out of sadness, if you can believe it, like all good art, like all good art, we were scraping the bottom of the barrel for just like I can't say that entirely for Eleanor because she wasn't she was in school and was working on a visual art degree. She was like she had the structure and was like happy in class. But myself and another

Cocoon member who's not in Cocoon today. Unfortunately Katie moved, she moved away, she left New York, but we were she had to go, she had to get on the hotter balloon and going to our own destination. Is a fisher woman now it's like she's a mermaid in Alaska. A dream. Yeah, it's just another dream. And she was like, I gotta do it. That's that's the dream. These people

say that rainy um. But yeah. We were like living in this a part like a two bedroom in Sunset Park, but like three of us just kind of like I had a room that didn't have a door. It was like the side door. It is like the side room to the bathroom. It was just like a little cubby. And then they had they had bedrooms with doors with doors, and then we just had like the open kitchen living room thing and then like one exposed brick wall and

we were like thank God, that wall is gorgeous. What is it about an exposed brick wall that like it's a real selling point, I know. We were like that could be the background of our stage. Like it was like this hard It was just like a hardwood floor, like a rectangle and then like this brick wall and Eleanor and I saw the place together and we were like, honestly, we could use that. It was like it became we were just so like talent show minded and that's basically

how Cocoon started. We would host open mics in this apartment because we couldn't afford furniture, and like didn't try, Like even if we couldn't, we like didn't try. We just left it open. And but for functional things, functional perpect like worked out better to just have it, like we could have more people over and we love we do love to dance, and it is makes you feel good when you're sad, so we would like just like get high and dance, and like there was all it was.

It felt like ours, you know, and it was sometimes romantic and sometimes like what you know that that year of like like we have no furniture, yeah, and like we I only have a job two days a week, like I don't know what to do, and it at at an open mic. We were like hosting these. It had been like the second open mic or something, and it was Eleanor's birthday and we decided we would like make a welcome dance. And it's like the origins of Cocoon to like just dance for fun because we love

ceremony to get together and express Yeah, pretty much. It was to Kate Bush's Hounds of Love and we were like, let's just set it, let's just do this right. And that was like the start of the party. And then it was it was our friends that like we like to take talent shows seriously. It's like it's an excuse to like perform for each other and like get drunken dance.

But we like would tape a mic to a broom handle like a little boom micro and then just like hold it for each other because there's no mic stand. But we were like, we, well, you need the mike butt hold mike. So were you the kind of kid that would do dance contests? Oh my god, We're like, because we used to do dance contests and we would score each other. I used to well, I used to do.

I do remember one dance contest. I was the kind of person who like choreographed songs to like Jules On, like I love that Dairy Queen song, and I was like, that was my first piece of choreography to the Dairy Queen commercial. But the only dance contest I've won was doing the macarenat like a hospital Halloween and you did the best. I did the makina the best. I think I would share what I mean. Do you remember that? Do you remember what the what your skill was? What

set you apart? Was it just the sharpness, the cleanness of the moves. I think I shocked everyone by being like paper thin, pencil thin hair out like huge hair like pageant like imagine tiny pageant girl but like brown, and her hairlines connected to her eyebrows. I had a mustache. I was so tiny. I was just like too tiny for having a lot of energy, and my eyes were like half of mine. I think I just purely shocked people. Yes, if someone recorded that, you would have been the upperstar everywhere.

Do you believe the news channel was there? Local news? I don't know where that footage is today. I'll get my agent on someone's going to get someone on that. We need to track that down and either Burnett or make sure everyone season. Oh my god. Okay, so so

basically from that very scrappy beginning for Cartoon Central. And and now you're tell us about the tell us about the film, because I just want I'm so sad that I missed down on seeing it, but I can't wait to see it when it when it's just available for everybody very soon. There's one more screening. It's part of the Brooklyn Comedy Festival. Great Taylor More hosts. It's on the up. Yes, I do love Taylor More. He's the best. I'm sure there's like shorts and features, super honky, just

just noting. Don't love me. Listen when a man is handsome, I say it. You know what my favorite quality about Taylor is he has his Spotify Discovery We Discover week Sterify, come on Spotter, Spotify Premium. We are a sponsor. S this is this is racist. I can't believe this. It's my third language. I was I was just regrigitating what happened to me and my fire complicit and this is this is go on. Um, what's good about Tyler? And it's hutting off my bit um. He just has a

great Spotify Discover weekly playlist. Yeah, let me tell you that. What the date? Please at that festival on August at Nighthawk Lovely oh not famously can get food there and watch a film. Famously miss the famous Nighthawk theater, but not the only game in town. Now with the Alamo. You've been to the Alamo Drafthouse. Oh are you about to like rip it? I like it. I like it. The food though not so good, so good, but you know on the record you wore some buffalo wings and okay,

that's that's it. I'm a vegetarian. You got like a grilled cheese and a flatbread or something. Okay. I remember we saw fantastic beasts and we're to find them and I had my weed butter and I was dipping my fries and the weed butter. And let me tell you something. I don't know if I was super stone. But did you guys see it? Or was that movie a gay art house film? It was a gay artouse film and

Jak Rolling had a lot of fun with it. And every time Colin Farrell would like put his lips on as recline, his face, I would be like, I have to see it. I'm gonna stuck on this wing, as Reclined writes for Vox SNBC. Okay August, Yes, as part of the Brooklyn Comedy Festival. Okay, I'm there are there still tickets left? I'm sure. I don't even think forgive me, Taylor, I'm not even sure if it's announced yet. You're hearing it before anyone. We have a breaking story. We have

the scoop here. We love a little bit of a scoop, a little bit of a scoop. Okay, So tell us about what is the movie? Come on tell us. Yes, it's called Snowy Bing Bongs and it's a film adaptation of this live performance that we did like two fifteen featuring these creatures called being Bongs that are so dumb and beautiful. I love that. That's my favorite, my favorite thing can be. They're really Yes, they're just so much fun.

They're like little space aliens. They just kind of exist in there, you know, in their tundra, the Arctic tundra. And I think that's the best word. It's Yeah, it's a good one. It's got weight. Yeah, it means something. It's so visual yes, it's an exotic word, truly, absolutely, I don't know. I mean I stopped everything to say that.

I like the word continue no worries. It's like it's hard to explain because it's it's basically a series of dance pieces like based around the snowy being bogs, but it goes a lot of places and there it's kind of held together by like you know you are you are like put into space and these planets are like revolving around each other, so you see like the snooping bogs in their world, and then we like move to different planets and see different dance pieces. I'm bringing my

weed butter to that. It is like it is a trippy movie. It's like very stony without being like we weren't we just weren't stoned made it. It was like it was just like we had a deadline and we had to make something, and it was like we wanted to tell this epic story, and the way we told it in the live show was through tableaus just like thirty like dramatic still things, and we just like cut

to them throughout the show. And then in between those tableaus we had like other silly dances and monologues and videos that the format is really patched, but it's deliberate. On film, it's like more of a connected story, I guess loose story, but it's like very grand. The scenes are really really beautiful, and yeah, how long have you guys been performing in New York? And like, how long have you guys been the thing? It's so long? Two

thousand nine. And that was like one Variety show back in two thousand nine called The Moon that we were like the house dancers for and we'd like perform every other week a new piece that was like super choreographed. We that's kind of where like Dance Team came from. And our name was like we're like the drill team. We will be there every Yeah. Yeah, that's like that's

like I'm not and I'm not saying this. I'm not saying this to data, but that's like a great, very very young what I'm saying, say what you're going to say? Do you mean to cut you off? No? I was just so happy to hear that. No. Oh yeah, it's just a great legendary show. Um. And and that's great in Bob's graz Yeah, And it had this like Muppet show spirit that we love and we're so we could really indulge in some like vaudevillian stuff. It's like very sincere.

You don't get that any more. Performance You really don't know. I'm sorry, where is it? Where is it? I don't see sincerity, not on stage, not out of these comedians. Everyone's everyone's just filtering through stuff. I don't know what I'm saying. Get sincere, get sincere um Wait did this do you? Guys actually performed a long for a long time at the Pit. We did at the Pit with Snowy being Bogs. It's been like a whole run of like variety shows for ever, like we've we've been, we've

been in every shitty bathroom. That was kind of like the beginning to Yeah, we were at the Pit for us quite a long time, and I felt like, yeah, we would get like booked on these little shows that were like, oh, what's the space, Oh it's a rug, right, and that you have like production value or like a sense of production value, and you're in a literal basement and there's like, sorry, the lights don't work, Like the lights don't work, lights don't work, and unfortunately there's four chairs.

Did you bring anybody we got booked one time. I love this space, but it wasn't for us. Pete's Candy Store such a good space but popular. There was eight of us. Then Pizza Ki started doing like these like like pop songs, literally screaming railroad style on like a postcard size stage, a literal four by six four inches by six inches gorgeous stage. But yeah, like it just was so in congress. It's a very sweet space. I think half of us were like sitting like oh my god.

And it was really one of those moments where I was like, wow, I I hate myself. No, I mean no, but yeah, I felt like kind of it went from like God, we're you know, we're doing it, and then you're like sometimes you know what, it's good we got out there, and then it went into like I'm how old and I'm doing right for these men. It was just like guts men dancing for men in suits. I don't know how sentimental I should feel or even like how much I should romantic eyes that because it's like,

was it did I need to do it? Maybe? Sure? Yeah, like maybe it did enrich something in me. No regrets. I don't know how you feel about Sita had nothing else going for it, Like I was truly proud of it, even though it was like some some basement. Yeah, we were like making costumes and we were like rehearsing like it was the day of the show feeling, and I kind of needed it because I didn't have I wasn't really I didn't really get into acting until a couple

of years ago. Yeah, really shouldn't be on television. Disagree and fat like, Okay, so here's the thing. And this was I think. I think before we started recording, I told Sanita was like, I'm gonna ask you a question and problem and you just have to accept this because it might seem like it's too much, but you just have to accept it. And you just and I said,

you deserve it. But I just think that you were you were just very very very captivating to watch and you were just you were just very good at what you do on camera. Because I was even just watching Search Party the other week and it was I was watching your episode or the one where you you were hearing a couple. You're absolutely back to the craft services services grilled cheese. Grilled cheese. She had to go back to data guilds after every take and be like Okay,

we're good. Um, but even that scene, I was like, oh my God, like suns nailing this, like just and even even Matt disagrees, even even on Robot, even on Glow. I mean like I'm just like God, like, she's just so so compelling to watch and receiving. And my question sounds so shitty now that I'm thinking about it, but it's like I can't wait, what is where are you

going through? What are you thinking? Because I feel like I'll every now and on the once in a bloom when I'm on a fucking set, I'll be like, what the funk am I doing? I'm terrible at this? What's going on? And like, I just great question? Did you pick that? Like is that something you've acquired or is it? Like yes, it's like a confidence or just like you have to learn to be okay with no feedback or

like your taste. It's like the way you read because it is like this moment in like a twenty minute episode, like you don't really have the foresight of how it's going to fit in, so you just have to like be okay with what you're doing and trust they'll tell

you if you're not on the right tone pitch. It's it's kind of it's really hard actually in these situations because especially with I mean all of these situations, I get like two takes or three tapes because it's like super ancillary and that's like I'm so down to be a part of it and I love that I get to and it's just part of the processes. Yeah, and learning,

Like I don't know if I could. It's good to like learn through these steps for the bigger thing, but it's so it is really nerve wracking to feel like, can I say the words, how do I just be a normal person? Just like be a normal person? Is that enough? Literally coming from live performance? Like like I think the majority of us because I mean, I wouldn't know that you didn't have acting training. I wouldn't know

that because you are so fantastic. So but I know that sometimes myself, you know, when when acting opportunities come up and I think you've just we've discussed this as well, bowing, um, you can feel like shit, I actually don't really know

how to do this. And then I think back to like acting school or I wasn't even an acting school, but like those actors that went through that for many years, and you're on set with a lot of those people and you're like, oh, I have to fake that I actually know what's going on, And all of a sudden, you're you you, Yeah, you're in that position and you're like just being a normal human being normal human, but like there is you're without that validation that you get

from live performance, which is so valuable and teaches us how to do what we do, and that it's like it's you do the same thing over and over, like with multiple takes or like you're just you're off camera for your lines, like you're just you're getting this repetition that's so real. Yeah, and that what was I going to say that you? Oh? And learning how Yeah, like how you read on camera. It's like I look and sounds so different than what is going on in my head. Actually.

So it's like for some people they don't I don't really like to watch myself too much, but sometimes I really need to because I'm like, oh, that's an angry face. I didn't think I was being Oh, I thought I was being soulful. You know. It's like you kind of need to adjust your awareness of yourself. Yes, and that super hard, because I still don't know if I'm I

don't know. I think maybe all of us as artists and actors, you'll just never feel like you're doing the absolute best job, like oh you needn't you could, if you could, or if you just could have another chance, or you know, that feeling. And also I don't know if that ever leaves, you know, I don't think it will. And also also knowing that it's not ultimately not going to be up to you, because they are going to

take several times what you did. I was just listening to w TF with Marc maron Your Coach Star because I've recently kind of not really not discovered, not rediscovered, but I'm enjoying the podcast again because I've been watching Glow and I like him very much. I really enjoyed WF. But I listened to the and Halthaway episode and she was talked. I really, I really enjoyed this episode and

I actually liked her a lot after it. Um but she was discussing Brokeback Mountain and she was saying, how Angley would say, now play this take like you know your husband is gay, and she would lay it on pretty thick sometimes and then not, and then he would say, now play this take like you have absolutely no idea, and she would do that. And then she said when she watched the movie, she saw both like and it was like a performance that was put together essentially by

the director and the editor. And that's just like part of being an actor is it take that direction and you do what you do when you try to see it as best as you can and play the text and remember it's not really about are there to be manipulated in like the most professional way exploited for your resources, which is like I want to I want to be that way, like I want you to get the best nugget.

But it's so strange to like let go of your idea of what it should be, especially because it's like, well, I mean, I don't feel like I'm going to get that, and you know, I just feel like, is there going to be another chance? I want to make sure that this is a good representation of of me. And and then it's like of brown women of brown in the American feel I know you can't, but it's like you just maybe you can, but it's like for me, it's

like otherwise then it's it's completely out of control. Yeah, but as in the it's awful, But in the that position, I'm like it was that because they needed more brown people, you know, so you feel like you have to be a good representation of Sure, you're basically of yourself, like

he is true yourself as you can. But also then it's like, I don't know, it gets it gets totally too big sometimes yeah, And I'm sorry, I don't mean to like speak for you and that and that I thought in that sentiment, but just I you know, of course, and we all feel the same, yes, or maybe you weren't included in something for a particular reason. It's just something that when you come from a minority perspective, I

think it's always going to be in your line. Whether that's up fair for us or not, you know what I mean, Like it's just isn't And like, so I do want to talk about, of course Glow because that actually what you just said when I was watching it, you know, that show really of course it depicts a certain time period, but it has certainly a take on the way minorities are presented in the world of ladies wrestling.

Can you speak a little bit to that, Like what is that like and like because it's really it's very edgy and it's it's really it's really interesting to watch and it has such a sense of humor about itself. But especially today when everyone has an opinion about everything, I'm watching and thinking what are people going to think

of this? It just charges into it, like I think, Yeah, it was like that party scene where I think, yeah, I think I'm specifically talking about when they filmed you guys on the camera and they were asking you to do like the ultimate stereotype and like, yeah, I mean for me, that was like so intense. I was losing

my ship. Yeah. And there were a lot of conversations with the writers who were um Liz and Carly Leslie Have Carly Mench who were so receptive to our thoughts like making sure everyone had a dimensional story, but that it's like it's about these labels. It's about like just setting that up first and then we'll you know, unpacked that. Yeah, and that it's like it is that's the whole point of it, Like how people are things are put upon people and this is like the most extreme version of that.

But it was like I've never felt I was having a really really hard time, I mean talking with them. I wanted to bring more of like this meta thing, this actual conflict into the ark, and we talked about it and we had we did have it in there, but it all actually got cut and it just sort of I don't want to spoil it, but it's sort of just is paired down to like that major moment

in the last episode. So I hope we can have that conversation in further in like other seasons, But that particular moment I never felt more out of my body and like, oh my god, I'm this is minstrel scene. Like I was just like this is I am? This is crazy And the moment of like um taking the gun. Yeah, Like we did different like different reactions for me to like how okay are you with this? How aware of

this situation are you? Like it's a lot too to do in like a small moment like a character's level of intelligence and where they're like where their heart is and then just like is this a funny moment or is this not a funny moment? And a lot of the takes, like in the party too, we would do certain lines where it's like is this trum is this like a comedic moment or a dramatic moment, and it's kind of crazy that we did both take and no it would just be like one or the other, but

just like not where the land totally. They just wanted to get their coverage and like yeah, and ultimately, like watching that episode, it's so much lighter than it felt, and it's like it's funny and all the girls are in that situation. It's like we really were each struggling with like how to do this as an actor and be like a dimensional person not perpetuating things but like putting it out there so weakd debunk them and it

was it was a super supportive, fluid set. Like we were talking all the time about like is this I mean, we're working in like a mostly female environment, but like also challenging, like well just because it's female, is it just is it the same thing? Isn't like the same power structure and the same sense of like I can't speak my mind. It's like one less variable. It's like, well if everybody is a woman, than that can't be what the thing is? Something else? Yeah, Yeah, it was fascinating.

I'm really proud of everyone, Like it's so good. I can't believe it comes off so much funnier even to see it in a detached way, it's like, that's really funny. Like Kia Stevens who plays tim A, and when we're at the party scene and he's like and you bash, Crystal says you you're and you're a big black girl, and she's like, what the funk you say? It's so perfect. It's so funny actually, or like it kind of lightens the mood. But doing sorry, doing that scene over, we

were just like, is this funny? It feels bad. It feels bad you're doing it. But I think I think it succeeds as a scene just tackling this very charged thing, but sort of seem like a relevant to the plot, be like this is an inflection for all these girls, like oh, like you have to sort of change your presentation based on public the public's perception and see it's it's light. I mean, I thought, I thought, I thought it works. It's also a period piece, you know what

I mean, And those discussions weren't being had. I was actually even surprised when um Welfare Queen gets that moment where she says, you know this is offensive, because I don't. And you know, maybe that is like um, giving even that character a little bit too much credit because you know, that wasn't a thing that people said, you know what I mean, I'm still glad. It's so glad it happened, and I was like, but and it's just like it

makes you think even more. It's like, well, you know, not every character has this opportunity to call this out. And that's like the crazy thing about it being a period piece is that it is so closely parallel to what is going on right right now wrestling even more

or so with our dumass president. But the the moments where we have to spell it out and that party scene and in with like that scene with them tam A and Mark where it's like, yes, this is the way the world sees you and that's why I'm saying this. And then it's like, oh, are you talking about stereotypes? Like it seems really silly to have to do that almost, but it's like we're we have not moved, Like we

haven't moved as much as we thought we have. It's it's like it's a very very powerful show in that way, and it's entertaining, which is I'm really enjoying smart. I'm I'm I'm on episode nine, so i still have some some ways to go, and I'm really enjoying it. It's so much different than I thought it would be, you know what I mean. I really thought I thought watching it from the outside, I was like, Oh, they're gonna jump right in, this is going to be a show

that is glow, you know. But it's it's so much about the process of getting there, and I'm really enjoying, Like it's really it's it's the show. It reminds me a little bit of you know, shows like Madmen, where you're really sitting with the characters, so now when you're getting towards the end of the season, you really know them so well. I think it's really well done in that way. So and oh my god, these actresses are incredible. I'm such a fan of Alison Brie forever. I mean,

I love her and so talented. But I will say this, fucking Betty Gilt. Let me tell you she's she's something else. She's incredible, She's raging, she is so fierce. Yeah, she can do anything, she can do everything. Like the littlest thing that she does is like opens up this whole world of a person. Yeah, And um, I can't believe that. I'm like constantly off the fact that she can continually do that and try something new or try like just volume change, you know, all these things that you know,

I think it's exactly. It was the scene in the pilot where at the end, at the end, now watching it, you could think to yourself, like, this is a little bit of a jump, like this character is gonna come into this gym start a public fight with her friend. They're all going to air this out. It's tough. It's a tough scene to execute, you know what I mean, it's very it's a very pilot e scene and that

we have to start the action. And but you buy it because she's so stunning and Alison Breeze reception of her behavior was so fantastic. And I did listen to their Mark Marin interview and I heard that that was their audition scene. Yeah, and that they actually were uh screen tested together for a chemistry test on that scene. Like they flew them both up to Canada apparently, and the casting director wasn't even their Jen Houston wasn't even there.

She like hired somebody to watch them and put them on tape, but that they did that scene and they have this connection to that scene, and that really reads. I think that scene is so huge. And then the cut to like I guess the future or the dream sequence where they're so amazing. I just thought that was such a tough scene to pull off and and they really did. And I was like, this is a special thing,

and this actress is fantastic. I say, I'm talking about her so much because I know Alice, I know Alison Brad's work, and I know how amazing she is. She's just kicking ass to me watching her do that scene over and over coming in with a baby and like streaming tears, good fierceness and like changing like she goes through so many levels and like to buy that she actually wants to kick her ass. Is You're right? It's like so hard to pull off, and it was thrilling.

We were all like truly riveted. It was riveted you watched that. But I watched that back like three or four times just I was like, you know what, let me go back to the first episode, fast forward to the end, because it really is incredible. Oh you know what, I'll say, we watch of hers is um when she's explaining to the guy like what Liberty Bell, Like what Liberty Bell is? And she's like, yes, it's such amazing. She's so funny. Physical stuff is amazing. What a great

physical actress. And she wrote to me she wrote something for Cosmo, I want to say the magazine about her body image, you know, journey and it's got so funny, so endearing and charming and just really real. And she really opened up into God, like what a star. Anyway, you guys are all so good. Honored to work alongside them. I cannot believe him all in the show. Oh my god, you know what, It's so amazing to see you on it.

It's it's so fun Like I really and I can't wait for you know, more seasons because I can't wait to get to know your character better. Yeah, me too. I can't wait to see where it goes, and hopefully there will be like I don't know, we can deal with them at a reality of it, You're gonna get there.

And it's just and you were talking about in these conversations with the writers, and it's just you know, as as challenging as that inherently as you know, it's such a great opportunity that you're even having those conversations and like, that's that's the dream. It's like we're able to build this together. And um, it's so exciting and no, I mean what I say, it's like you are just really, really, really fucking great to want to need to really and I am so I really thank you. It's great. I mean,

you are you're you are your your spectacular. I fucking I just well, you know what scene I love when the hot pizza boy comes over pizza boys. I wanted to I wanted to offer to see more, if you know what I mean, I want to see sexual with him. I want to see it. Oh my god. Season two, Yes, pizza Dick and your whole and the way you were acting and that's in those scenes were which is great. I got my I roll. But it was such a

good comedic value. What was the line? It was like it's like it's like, well there's there's his number, and she's like that. Yeah. Yeah, I loved it. Truly felt like we conjured the women of the eighties though too. Yes, I mean we've we have moved on to lighter moments, but with those testimonials, like with those personality things where you're in the situation that a woman was in to be this like crazy exaggerated stereotype to make like commentary on it, but you still have to do it. It's

like it was. It truly was like Mother's of Night five and then and then before that and before that and before that. It's like a really expansive show. Yeah, it's I mean with all the women, the fourteen women, like there's just so much to pull from. Yeah, yeah, and we're yeah, but it's really fun to just also be the in the eighties trope. Yeah, the ham meanness of it for me anyway, Like I love I love it.

You gotta love an eighties custom. But the music to the music is just like, yes, this is the perfect thing for this moment. What I love about it it seems like it seems like it's always, um, the sun is always setting in the show. Sure, I feel like that's like the aesthetic is so like it's always I feel like that that's happening a lot. Like there's like it's like it's very cool, like neon lights setting. I'm I really love the aesthetic because like you've been through

the day. Yeah, because it's all like the exterior stuff is always like parking lot, parking lot things where it's like the parking lot realness, girl, there is a lot of parking lots in the show. You know, Matt's wagging his finger like he's really I really discovered the critique. I want more parking lots. Put up a parking lot there. There there is some meaning to that setting where it's like it's somewhere where people it's a repository for people's cars.

You know what, we can get real art. We're gonna get real film school about this. Yeah, what does the parking lots mean? And glow mean? And glow what does it mean? Space? It ultimately tells a queer narrative. I think, you know, and I and definitely yea. I will write a treatise on this later, but before we get to I don't think so, honey, we have not forgotten about these users submitted rules of culture. Let's let's just let's just read out the one that we love right now.

I'm that now our users are sorry, are you know? Listeners are submitting rules of culture and we're we're we're inviting some into the campus. So this is today's rule from Janey Store, who is a host of the new Forever Dog podcast Relatively Healthy sister Dr Ellen Stoler. This is really cool. Yeah, it's a doctor and a comedian fielding issues. There are two different takes on issues and

their sisters. So many hooks, so many hooks, and there's a hotline you can call um X. I believe um right, okay, HPJ hot producer Joe my correct me. Check it out forever dot forever dot. But look it up. Okay, So this is rule it up. It's not fun responsibility Jesus Christ, do we already set enup? Alright, Janey relaxed From Jennie Stole our rule number two. Multiple people's heads peeking in from a door frame must be arranged from oldest bottom to youngest top, which is a great rule. I love it.

I think it's hard to get the younger ones on top, though, because they're actually not the tallest one. Right, challenge, right, that's really hard, Janney, But you know, for culture's sake, we're going to try to do it. Yeah, well we'll we'll do it from now on. That's the role youngest, youngest at the top, oldest at the bottom. Maybe if it's like baby beyord. You have to like put the kid on your back in like a sack. There you

go to help it out. If the nurture maybe they're they're on each other's backs, right, So what you don't say is the fact that they're on each other's back like a pyramid. And because the youngest one is probably the lightest. But of course we don't want to make any assumptions about the weight of the child that one or they don't know. She could very well just be ahead, and you know what, that's fine if you identify as just ahead, go forth, go forth. Let's move on to

I don't Think so honey. Yes, now, um, listeners may be familiar with this segment. I don't think so honey. It is our one minute to come for culture that we are not feeling right now. And of course I don't think so honey. Live on August eleven, featuring City, the Money, So and forty nine other comics. This will be your second one. You'll be the only person on stage with that history. Yes, well, yeah, okay, from Raffle

Winner to Lifegiver. There you go, Winter to Lifegiver. Um, this is going to bring some people in, Yeah, I think, Oh, for sure, I do. Okay, this is Matt Rogers. No, I don't. I can't believe that I have to even say this. It's one of those I don't think, so, honey, you know what, We're gonna have to do it. But I think through your saying it, it will have been even more underlined. And Matt Rodgers is I don't think so, honey.

Time starts now. I don't think so, honey. People who don't flush the toilet because they peed and it's just p and they're trying to quote save water. No, bitch, let me tell you something. I don't care if al Gore himself came to me and said you could save the planet by flushing, but by by keeping your p in this toilet. No, it is not acceptable to do this. It is p it is unseemly, it's smell. Else, it does stay in the bowl you have. You haven't got to be kidding me. It is not respectful for you

to walk out of the bathroom. I go in and there's pissing the bowl. I will next time I see this go to you would say, I don't think so, honey, get back here and flushing. I will publicly shame you. I will shout it to high Heaven and I will come for you. Do not. This is unacceptable. If you're pooping, you're flushing. If you're peeing, you're flushing. You're flushing. Period. If you see anything in the bowl, flush, oh wow, clean after yourself. I'm done. I work in an establishment.

I'm not going to say which one. I have several jobs, but there's one where the clientele I don't know what it is about this place. They don't flush, and it's crazy. I care about the environment. It sounds like that. One's tough. No, you don't do you do this, you keep the pea in the bowl. It depends on what time of day and the pungent sea, and it depends on the culture, because I think I think they do this a lot in China and in Europe, where there's I don't believe

a lot of population strain on resources. So, Matt, you really have to think about that. Then I refuse to think about culture here, alright. I will not be culturally so to this. No, you have to flush your pea unless you are so well hydrated that you can make it a secret. Okay, But if your pa is bright yellow, a you need to drink more water and be you better be flushing if you have. I'm a real pee yellow. It goes down, it goes down, it goes down the door.

They okay, um, oh gosh, this is gonna be one of those really um last minute ones. Okay, on brand from Bowen, but those have such a hit or miss success rate. But let's go. This is bonyang. Wait, hold on, last minute. I don't think so, honey. And here he is already grabbing his temple, honey, trying to himself. Up here we go, bo. I don't think so many time starts now, I don't think so, honey, people who go to Shian famous foods and don't know their order right

at the top. I go in there with a mission. I know what I want. I want the stewed pork noodles, and I want the ground pork burger, and I want a fucking chrysanthemum jasmine iced tea. Bitch. I don't think so many people. You fucking you think you're so cultured going to some Southern Chinese casual fast food establishment and taking your sweet goddamn time. It's fast casual, honey, look at the board, take your time, but step out of my way while I go up to the register that

I know by name. Hi, they're Dong. I love you so much. He knows my order every time I go. It's the one in Chinatown. They just got a new mural. It's gorgeous. Go. I don't think so, honey, you customers, so look online, get your bearings, find your footing with the orders, bitch, and know what you're going to say at the cashier, and don't hold up the space for me five seconds. I don't think so, honey. You Chinese sweet isn't for everyone. Maybe it's just for us. What ship?

That was stunning, girl, I you know what, We're starting a lot of controversies in this in this episode. My gosh, I love them. That was that was very good. And can I say, Chris Jasmine I think coming to the stage, Chris Tathom Jasmine Flowers, bitch, two different flowers. I think you said, Jennifer Flowers. Flowers. Of course we remember her a huge part of part of culture. Jennifer Flowers. It's times you need to now I do want to, of course,

of course you do what do you truly? And I just will be your second of three think back on when you were called on to the stage at the last time. I don't think so, honey, live and it just came to you, just had it. This is kind of I guess so kind of happened recently. It's only just the moment. Please. The way that you are doing this with your hand makes me feel like it's going to be quite good because already come with the who it's coming through. Here we go. I don't think so, honey,

time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Man in a kango hat hailing me on my bike as a taxi, who do you think? I am? Oh? You want my attention, obviously, but what reality are you living in? Where you can get I'm going to stop and you're going to ride on the back of my bike so I can take you where. You must remember when a woman is on her bike, think of it. She is her glitterance, it's pressed into this seat. Stimulate. She is on a mission.

She doesn't have time, she is on top. Bitch. Man in kangle hat, call an at call a cab, caught lift whatever, bitch. I don't think so, Honey's wow, that's shocking. What happened? What just happened. It was so good. Let's men, no more kangle hat, no man, no more men. Honestly, no more men. I've done out, replace all the men with bikes. Yeah, you can't even spill water. My place is soaking wet. I'm so I can't believe that happened, so honestly dangerous. It's so distracting where I'm like, huh

what And then who knows car hit me? Could? Honestly and what is he like making sound? Yes, he's like making a scene. Oh my god. This nation is corrupt. Cross streets? Do we know? Can we can we get cross streets? This is parks? I don't think so many parks. In fact, I've come. I've come for South Brooklyn on this very podcast, and thank you so much for solidifying what garbage it is. No, I don't think so, honey, South Brooklyn overrated trash. If you're south of Flatbush, get out,

but park. But you know what good thing? Because they need you there because if you weren't there, I would print it to the ground. But you're the only thing that keeps me from regional arson. Save your oh my god, oh my god. Rule number twelve of culture. I love this episode was fabulous. Thank you so much. I don't want it to end either. I honestly, I think I will say this this. I mean, we we've had great

conversations in the past. This was a meaty one about Juicy the craft bitch and look you listen to so need to talk at length about acting, even though she says she's she's just recently gone into it, but she she's getting used to the camera. Really, the fact that it is in the room what it doesn't make any sense, but you the way you're able to speak about it is what you speak about with such maturity and grace and Oscar winner, Oscar winner, Sony Toman Academy Award winner.

I mean, who's yeah, yeah award SAG Award. Honestly, watch watch who knows honestly were that big ocast? Okay, that's a big cast. And you know they lemonade, no nominade and they'll give up four Wow, that's a guy to think about the fourteen SAG Awards. Honey, I tn B wins every Dude Day they do when all the dude

Day ensemble in town. There's a new Netflix ensemble and get out of here, Uzo and oh my god so Leta Laverne Cox, buye Natash, buying Natash, catch snowy bing bongs at the Brooklyn Comedy Festival at night Haunk August twenty two. I will be there. I'm so excited and watch Glow, the new head show we love. And HPJ has to get the funk out of here. He has to go spill water all around town. So guys, thank you so much. We love you. I've been bowing Yang

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